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    Quote Originally Posted by Demogorgon View Post
    you couldn't smell anything but pot and sweat in the arena for the rest of the night.
    Haha that sounds awful

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony.parente View Post
    Haha that sounds awful
    It was, heh. It was memorable, but that doesn't mean it was pleasant. Good show though, regardless. This was in Erie, PA.

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    I was at that Erie show (I think); that was during my heavy drug period when I'd go way out of my way to shows in such parts, and succinctly remember attending a Tool show in that part of PA. I would have definitely been helping contribute to the pot smoke in the atmosphere, too..

    Aenima will always be my favorite. I discovered Undertow way before most did, back when the band was still a best-kept secret in alternative rock, and still love that record to death. They never sounded like the band on Undertow again, and I've often wondered where they would have gone had they stayed the course. I waited months for Aenima to drop and it's still one of the greatest 90s albums I've ever heard. I never get tired of that thing..

    Lateralus is fantastic, too. A step down from Aenima, but nothing is going to top that one for me. Lateralus is their full-on prog album, and it's fucking grand. 10KD has some worthwhile stuff on it (Rosetta Stoned, Jambi, The Pot) but is weighed down by filler like that weather-effects soundscape track and that pointless interlude of chanting that has no business being on the record. Right In Two, Intension and Vicarious are paint-by-numbers Tool, too. And who the fuck had time to concoct that ridiculous theory of layering three of the tracks together to create a "hidden song" or whatever? GTFOOH..

    After 13 years, this new album had better be top-shelf like the unholy Undertow/Aenima/Lateralus triptych. Nothing less will suffice, long gargantuan songs or not. They're already way behind the eight ball with it being known Maynard e-mailed his vocals in and the album boasting what is now the dumbest Tool track name yet. The fact that it's essentially a long drum solo is even less appealing..

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    Imagine seeing Tool in a small venue? I got to see Opeth/Mastodon/Ghost at the Tennessee Theatre in Knoxville. I also saw Smashing Pumpkins and Porcupine Tree at The Orange Peel in Asheville. The sound quality for those shows was incredible. Hard to replicate that in a large arena or stadium. Those bands are not on the scale of Tool, well perhaps the Pumpkins are close. But I don't know if Tool would ever even play at small venues again. They did do the Radio City Music Hall in NYC back in the early 00s. Perhaps the logistics might no longer work and the ticket prices would probably be absurd, but it would still be bonkers to see. The place would explode.

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    The Erie show as at the Civic Center, which is probably the smallest arena style show you could get out there. I stilll remember the opening songs: Cold and Ugly, The Grudge, and Stinkfist, in that order. When the first heavy guitars of Stinkfist kicked in, the place went absolutely berserk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse View Post
    Imagine seeing Tool in a small venue? I got to see Opeth/Mastodon/Ghost at the Tennessee Theatre in Knoxville. I also saw Smashing Pumpkins and Porcupine Tree at The Orange Peel in Asheville. The sound quality for those shows was incredible. Hard to replicate that in a large arena or stadium. Those bands are not on the scale of Tool, well perhaps the Pumpkins are close. But I don't know if Tool would ever even play at small venues again. They did do the Radio City Music Hall in NYC back in the early 00s. Perhaps the logistics might no longer work and the ticket prices would probably be absurd, but it would still be bonkers to see. The place would explode.
    Tool @ Nokia Theater 2010 (7100 seats in LA is tiny for a band of this stature)

    but my personal favorite...

    Tool @ Pearl, Las Vegas December 2007 (2500 seats) - that was a 10/10 show at a 10/10 venue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealNs1 View Post
    Tool @ Nokia Theater 2010.
    Saw them there in 2007 (my first Tool show) and 2010. Definitely not a small venue, but not a huge arena, either.

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    I saw them for the 1st time in summer of 93 at Waterloo Village when they were playing Lollapalooza ...I went with my cousin who is 15 years older than me. Specifically wanting to see Alice In Chains, Tool and Dinosaur Jr (dope fucking lineup)....I had gotten Undertow when it came out at Sam Goody so I knew the album by heart by the time I saw them. I remember some people in the crowd didnt seem familiar with the Undertow songs yet seemed to know the Opiate era songs which was odd....They only played 7 or so songs but 12 year old me was super fucking impressed.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulse View Post
    Imagine seeing Tool in a small venue?
    I saw them in Cleveland back in 2001 or so, 12 rows from the stage, from seats in GA. There was a lot of complaining about there being chairs on the floor, but I thought it was fucking awesome. Might as well have been a club show, from my perspective.

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    Not sure if it’s been posted but the track lengths are up on iTunes.


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    not a single 6 minute banger - they could not have released a more radio-unfriendly album. I love it.

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    So, CCTrip and filler tracks aside, there are only three songs we haven't heard. That's a shame. That said, those three songs total over 35 minutes, so that's cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    I saw them for the 1st time in summer of 93 at Waterloo Village when they were playing Lollapalooza ...I went with my cousin who is 15 years older than me. Specifically wanting to see Alice In Chains, Tool and Dinosaur Jr (dope fucking lineup)....I had gotten Undertow when it came out at Sam Goody so I knew the album by heart by the time I saw them. I remember some people in the crowd didnt seem familiar with the Undertow songs yet seemed to know the Opiate era songs which was odd....They only played 7 or so songs but 12 year old me was super fucking impressed.....
    My first Tool performance was at Lollapalooza. My first festival. Went there to see Metallica, Chains, SG and RAM. Left being a new fan of Tool. They smashed everything. Glad I got to see them back when Paul was still their bassist, though I feel like they hit the jackpot recruiting Justin. I was lucky enough as a high school teenager to see some ridiculous shows back in the day. You mentioned Dinosaur Jr.. I got to see Kyuss (Josh Homme's old band) open for them prior to their breakup. Also got to see NIN and Killing Joke in the 90s. Not trying to start a pissing contest on shows, but again, just showing how incredibly fortunate I was for being able to travel and see all these bands in my youth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadflax View Post
    That said, those three songs total over 35 minutes, so that's cool.
    aka one NIN LP worth of music.

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    Sooooo..

    Six actual songs, and four instrumentals. Three of which -- the "bonus" tracks" -- equating to roughly 7:30 when combined..

    Had this quantity been released in 2010 or 2011, I'd have been fine with it. But 13 years for six songs and a clutch of instrumentals that will be largely inconsequential to the album narrative seems like a huge let down for long-suffering fans..

    I'm preparing for a scatterbrained, meandering mess of an album that had no real direction during its creation, where the singer of the band wouldn't even get in the same room with the other three. Best case scenario, I'm wrong and I get my face melted off by this shit the way Aenima and Lateralus succeeded in doing. There's literally no way this will turn out to be a bad Tool album; I don't believe they're capable of such a thing. But six songs after 13+ years? My faith in this record is lukewarm, at best..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettybrokenspiral View Post
    But six songs after 13+ years? My faith in this record is lukewarm, at best..
    6 10-minute+ epics totaling 70+ minutes of music is a let down?

    ok

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    4 instrumentals? I wonder if they were planned or MJK just didn't get around to recording vocals for them so they said fuck it........Opiate is considered an EP with 6 songs with vox but this will be considered an LP with 6 songs with vox.....Sounds like a debate we had a year ago regarding another band.....Someone should challenge MJK on twitter as to why this isn't considered an EP, so he can tell them to "suck his entire cock"

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    I feel like Tool has been, since Lateralus at least, halfway instrumental as a band. Like, many of their songs have been heavy on instrumental breakdowns pushing the track lengths, so, this doesn't really surprise me very much. I still haven't listened to any of the tracks out there so far so, i'm keeping my overall judgement aside until i hear the full thing in context. If it ends up being a mess and not cohesive at all, well, i'll pick out tracks i enjoy and be done with it. We'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demogorgon View Post
    I feel like Tool has been, since Lateralus at least, halfway instrumental as a band. Like, many of their songs have been heavy on instrumental breakdowns pushing the track lengths, so, this doesn't really surprise me very much. I still haven't listened to any of the tracks out there so far so, i'm keeping my overall judgement aside until i hear the full thing in context. If it ends up being a mess and not cohesive at all, well, i'll pick out tracks i enjoy and be done with it. We'll see.
    Just did the math and yeah, about 1/3 of the tracks have been instrumental since Ænima, traditionally much shorter than the songs with vocals, so this is very much on par.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealNs1 View Post
    6 10-minute+ epics totaling 70+ minutes of music is a let down?

    ok
    Remember when Trent made us wait 5.5 years and we got a double album with over 100 minutes of music? Or that time we waited another 5.5 years and got three albums and a double-album of instrumentals in a three year span?

    Yea, six songs after 13 years from a band that once set the standard for creativity feels like a let-down..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettybrokenspiral View Post
    Remember when Trent made us wait 5.5 years and we got a double album with over 100 minutes of music? Or that time we waited another 5.5 years and got three albums and a double-album of instrumentals in a three year span?

    Yea, six songs after 13 years from a band that once set the standard for creativity feels like a let-down..
    "we aint the foo fighters"


    Fair enough though.

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    https://loudwire.com/danny-carey-too...ne-giant-song/


    Some of your heads would’ve exploded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrokenSpiral View Post
    https://loudwire.com/danny-carey-too...ne-giant-song/


    Some of your heads would’ve exploded.
    to tie into this, some person from metalinjection did an AMA on Reddit:

    How many of the songs flow together, seemslessly like parabol/parabola?
    The whole album kind of flows together. It was funny to hear people blast the single for not going anywhere. In the context of the album, it was just a 10 minute set up. Each song kind of flows into the next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettybrokenspiral View Post
    Sooooo..

    Six actual songs, and four instrumentals. Three of which -- the "bonus" tracks" -- equating to roughly 7:30 when combined..

    Had this quantity been released in 2010 or 2011, I'd have been fine with it. But 13 years for six songs and a clutch of instrumentals that will be largely inconsequential to the album narrative seems like a huge let down for long-suffering fans..
    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    4 instrumentals? I wonder if they were planned or MJK just didn't get around to recording vocals for them so they said fuck it........Opiate is considered an EP with 6 songs with vox but this will be considered an LP with 6 songs with vox.....Sounds like a debate we had a year ago regarding another band.....Someone should challenge MJK on twitter as to why this isn't considered an EP, so he can tell them to "suck his entire cock"
    Jesus fucking Christ... the album is 1 hour and 27 minutes long. There are not 4 instrumentals. There is ONE instrumental and 3 segues/interludes. By that logic, Ænima and Lateralus also had 4 "instrumentals." Some people are pretty damn hard to please...

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    I don't think "Chocolate Chip Trips"
    You didn't like Merkaba? CC Trip sounds pretty good live...especially when they bring back the juicy "some kind of psychedelic experience" samples.

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    In retrospect, i was thinking about my post about CC Trip being a ridiculous name, but then, this is the band with titles like "Stinkfist" and "Hooker With A Penis" so... i really can't say it's out of the ordinary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettybrokenspiral View Post
    Remember when Trent made us wait 5.5 years and we got a double album with over 100 minutes of music? Or that time we waited another 5.5 years and got three albums and a double-album of instrumentals in a three year span?

    Yea, six songs after 13 years from a band that once set the standard for creativity feels like a let-down..

    You keep saying 6 songs, but there are 7. One of them is a non-segue instrumental. Do instrumentals not count all the sudden? (Someone give Ghosts I-IV the bad news) Anyway, those 7 songs come to 79:18, which is longer than Lateralus (78:51) and I don't remember anyone complaining about Lateralus being too short. Hell, even if you do exclude Chocolate Chip Trip, it adds up to 74:38, which is one goddamn minute and 8 seconds shorter than 10,000 Days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonic_discord View Post
    Jesus fucking Christ... the album is 1 hour and 27 minutes long. There are not 4 instrumentals. There is ONE instrumental and 3 segues/interludes. By that logic, Ænima and Lateralus also had 4 "instrumentals." Some people are pretty damn hard to please...
    It's a waste of one's time, man. Do you really throw on 13th Step so you can jam out to some Crimes, or 10KD so you can hear some dude chant "ooooh ooh oooh" for a minute before that godhead Lost Keys/Rosetta Stoned section? The worst is Eat The Elephant's pointless instrumental song in the 8-spot, sticking out like a sore thumb and screaming filler after a 14-year wait. Granted, that album is pretty much fucked by that point, but..

    These things matter to people who have waited a large chunk of their lives to hear what's next. I certainly didn't wait all this time anticipating a fuckin' drum solo and some interludes to fill out the running time, did you? I'm banking heavily on this being an epic album experience of start-to-finish quality, fuck you to convention and pre-conceived notions of what a Tool album 13 years in the making (actually more like five when they finally got off their asses and started working) sounds like..

    It just feels forced, I dunno. This whole process of FI's creation feels forced. I'm not one of these Tool fanboys who is just going to gulp down whatever they dump out and proclaim it as genius. Seriously, I would love for this album to be just that, and force me to eat my words. But four instrumentals/segues/interludes on a 10-track album isn't going to get me there, I'm afraid..

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    Segues/interludes are perfectly fine if they serve to the benefit of the overall album well as a whole musical journey. I don't throw on single seques from Ænima either. But I never skip on full playthrough as it contributes to the mood and feel of each successive piece. Tool are hardly the only progressive rock band to do this. Again, no care by me if it's been 3 years or 13 years, I just want a musical journey to experience. Could give three shits as to individual length of songs.

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    I'm pretty impressed by the total emphasis on track count, given the 85 minute running time of FI's 10 tracks will exceed the 78 minute run time of NTAE + AV + BW's 16 tracks.

    But four instrumentals/segues/interludes on a 10-track album isn't going to get me there, I'm afraid..
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