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    Quote Originally Posted by sinspots View Post
    Thanks for posting. I've read portions of it a few times now. There's so much info out there, given how long the band has been around. It's somewhat overwhelming but fascinating to dig into it (as a new fan). I am surprised, given how obsessive (for lack of a better word) Tool superfans seem to be, that I have not seen a toolshed v2 by someone else that picks up where that one left off. Even though there obviously have not been many new albums...there seems to be a ton of interviews, etc. (even last years music clinics) that produced a lot of information about various songs that should be compiled somewhere in one place.
    The Toolshed reddit has a lot of stuff.

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    I'm sure that everyone has seen this already but...hopefully (finally) out before the summer!

    https://www.spin.com/2019/01/tool-ne...cals-recorded/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kodiak33 View Post
    I'm sure that everyone has seen this already but...hopefully (finally) out before the summer!

    https://www.spin.com/2019/01/tool-ne...cals-recorded/
    Iím not a betting man but if were Iíd bet it would come out before their minitour.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sinspots View Post
    Thanks for posting. I've read portions of it a few times now. There's so much info out there, given how long the band has been around. It's somewhat overwhelming but fascinating to dig into it (as a new fan). I am surprised, given how obsessive (for lack of a better word) Tool superfans seem to be, that I have not seen a toolshed v2 by someone else that picks up where that one left off. Even though there obviously have not been many new albums...there seems to be a ton of interviews, etc. (even last years music clinics) that produced a lot of information about various songs that should be compiled somewhere in one place.
    I spun up the Tool Hotline but discovered Fourth Eye around that time, and felt like they did an ample job of filling in where toolshed fell by the wayside.

    Also Tool hasn't released an album in 13 years. Interviews about things that never happen stop being interesting after a while. I stopped updating my Tool site aeons ago, and I think I let the tool hotline domain expire last year. I think if I continue to say anything on the subject, it's not going to be positive, so why go into that?

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    The only thing that bugs me about Maynard's tweet is that new Puscifer in 2020 seems to suggest a very short life cycle for the new Tool album. Album, festival tour, maybe North American fall tour... and that's it? It just feels like after 13 years of waiting, Tool should come back in a big, bad way. I know they've been playing shows all this time, so it's not like they've been completely absent, but still.

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    Puscifer can still be a summer/fall 2020 release with a fall 2020 tour. He usually goes on tour in the fall with puscifer anyway. I'm not too concerned. The tool tour will extend into Q1/Q2 2020 then he'll get a quick break to put finishing touches on puscifer and deal with his wine in the summer/early fall before heading out again with puscifer. I ain't worried. Besides, all these guys are getting older now. Doubt they want to do massive 2 yr long tours like they've done in the past anyway. I'm surprised Maynard has as much gumption in him as he does at his age, he's in his mid 50s and it doesn't show, he shows no signs of slowing down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBurning View Post
    Puscifer can still be a summer/fall 2020 release with a fall 2020 tour. He usually goes on tour in the fall with puscifer anyway. I'm not too concerned. The tool tour will extend into Q1/Q2 2020 then he'll get a quick break to put finishing touches on puscifer and deal with his wine in the summer/early fall before heading out again with puscifer. I ain't worried. Besides, all these guys are getting older now. Doubt they want to do massive 2 yr long tours like they've done in the past anyway. I'm surprised Maynard has as much gumption in him as he does at his age, he's in his mid 50s and it doesn't show, he shows no signs of slowing down.
    Basically this. But he might also tour both together like he did with APC.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBurning View Post
    Puscifer can still be a summer/fall 2020 release with a fall 2020 tour. He usually goes on tour in the fall with puscifer anyway. I'm not too concerned. The tool tour will extend into Q1/Q2 2020 then he'll get a quick break to put finishing touches on puscifer and deal with his wine in the summer/early fall before heading out again with puscifer. I ain't worried. Besides, all these guys are getting older now. Doubt they want to do massive 2 yr long tours like they've done in the past anyway. I'm surprised Maynard has as much gumption in him as he does at his age, he's in his mid 50s and it doesn't show, he shows no signs of slowing down.
    Also to add, Tool would probably continue doing the yearly mini tours for years to come. More time with the family and still make money!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadflax View Post
    The only thing that bugs me about Maynard's tweet is that new Puscifer in 2020 seems to suggest a very short life cycle for the new Tool album. Album, festival tour, maybe North American fall tour... and that's it? It just feels like after 13 years of waiting, Tool should come back in a big, bad way. I know they've been playing shows all this time, so it's not like they've been completely absent, but still.
    Maybe they will continue to tour in 2020 and it will just coincide/overlap with the Puscifer dates? It's happened in the past where both bands played the same festivals, at least. Hopefully when the news officially drops, it'll be big and exciting like you said...
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    Surprised so many people are dying to hear this. Considered what a piece of shit the new APC album was, people actually have high hopes for new Tool? 55 year old Keenan, spending most of his time on his winery who hasnt put out a great album in a decade is going to somehow release a brilliant Tool album in 2019? I have zero hopes and expectations. Just hope he doesnt embarrass himself like Corgan did

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    Surprised so many people are dying to hear this. Considered what a piece of shit the new APC album was, people actually have high hopes for new Tool? 55 year old Keenan, spending most of his time on his winery who hasnt put out a great album in a decade is going to somehow release a brilliant Tool album in 2019? I have zero hopes and expectations. Just hope he doesnt embarrass himself like Corgan did
    You still have Danny, Adam, and Justin...APC doesn't have that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    Surprised so many people are dying to hear this. Considered what a piece of shit the new APC album was, people actually have high hopes for new Tool? 55 year old Keenan, spending most of his time on his winery who hasnt put out a great album in a decade is going to somehow release a brilliant Tool album in 2019? I have zero hopes and expectations. Just hope he doesnt embarrass himself like Corgan did
    Yeah, it's really surprising that people would judge an entirely different band, comprised of entirely different writers and musicians, based on what somebody else did.

    Wait...what?

    Also, let's not forget that "great" is subjective. Personally? I thought Conditions was great, Money Shot was great, and the tours that accompanied them were - in my opinion anyway - a lot better than any recent Tool dates. And while I was definitely a little chilly on Eat the Elephant when it came out, it very much grew on me. It's not an "I love this thing from start to finish" album, but it's got enough good material on it that I'd go see the tour supporting it if the dates lined up with my schedule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    Surprised so many people are dying to hear this. Considered what a piece of shit the new APC album was, people actually have high hopes for new Tool? 55 year old Keenan, spending most of his time on his winery who hasnt put out a great album in a decade is going to somehow release a brilliant Tool album in 2019? I have zero hopes and expectations. Just hope he doesnt embarrass himself like Corgan did
    Idk. I have a feeling it will be stunning, and a sort of "final statement."
    I mean, have you heard that music from the music clinic commercial, Descending or whatever? Give me an album full of shit like that and I'll be thrilled.

    I got into tool when I got a copy of undertow in 93 for my 13th birthday, so it's been a pretty big deal to me for, fuck, 25 years. I didn't exactly love 10,000 days, though. I mean, it was OK. But Opiate and Undertow were fucking incredible and the next two were PERFECT.
    Yeah, the new apc wasn't incredible, but apc is...Maynard is just the singer of tool, you know? It's the interesting take on rhythm and unusual mysterious sounding musical style that makes the magic, imho.

    I reckon it will be pretty good, again, if it sounds anything like Descending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    Surprised so many people are dying to hear this. Considered what a piece of shit the new APC album was, people actually have high hopes for new Tool? 55 year old Keenan, spending most of his time on his winery who hasnt put out a great album in a decade is going to somehow release a brilliant Tool album in 2019? I have zero hopes and expectations. Just hope he doesnt embarrass himself like Corgan did
    Youíre more than welcome to express your negativity somewhere else.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    Surprised so many people are dying to hear this. Considered what a piece of shit the new APC album was, people actually have high hopes for new Tool? 55 year old Keenan, spending most of his time on his winery who hasnt put out a great album in a decade is going to somehow release a brilliant Tool album in 2019? I have zero hopes and expectations. Just hope he doesnt embarrass himself like Corgan did
    I'm excited to just hear some new music from the boys. I know it's not going to be groundbreaking or amazing. It won't be their "top album" by any means, but it'll still be a good listen. People need to open their eyes and mind when going into a new release. You still have people out there complaining with every new release that Trent makes that it's not TDS. Those people need to just get off the train and go somewhere else if they're not interested in what he's doing now. Yes, they're older. Yes, they are at a different point in their life, so the music is going to sound different. We should just be thankful as fuck we are getting a new record at all. System of a down have been squabbling back and forth and saying there won't ever be new music etc and drawing the fans on. At least we're getting new songs.

    I fear this record is going to be hated by the masses for this reason. They're hyping it up. Records that span a long time in between releases are never a good sign. The fans hype the albums up. The wait was long, they expect some crazy masterpiece and that's what took so long. In reality, sometimes life just gets in the way, shit happens, people get busy, start families, change their way of thinking and that delays a record. Time changed the artists, but it never changed the fan. The fans didn't evolve with the artist with time, and I think that's what the issue is. People are expecting Lateralus 2.0 or something prior. The key is to go in with low expectations and just be happy there is new music at all.

    It's like the GNR Chinese democracy thing. So many years passed between releases and the fans hated it. It was no longer the 90s. It was a different time/different era. Axl needed to evolve his sound. I for one really enjoyed Chinese democracy, but I know a lot of people that hated it. I was never a die-hard or huge GNR fan though, so my opinion is probably a tad biased. I would consider TOOL as one of My top 5 favourite artists out there, so I might be a tad more critical on this new record than I was of Chinese democracy, but I think the key is to just go in with low expectations and listen to it as it's own thing without comparing it to their previous work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    Surprised so many people are dying to hear this. Considered what a piece of shit the new APC album was, people actually have high hopes for new Tool? 55 year old Keenan, spending most of his time on his winery who hasnt put out a great album in a decade is going to somehow release a brilliant Tool album in 2019? I have zero hopes and expectations. Just hope he doesnt embarrass himself like Corgan did
    We get it, you aren't excited to hear the new Tool album – and that's fine. I'm not trying to attack you for expressing your opinion on a message board, but yes, there are indeed many of us (myself included) who are excited to finally hear it. Yes, it's been a very long 13-year wait, but the anticipation has been building for over a decade and their track record speaks for itself. They've never released anything that sucks, in my opinion. Speaking of opinions, I actually really enjoyed APC's new album. It may not have been quite as good as the first two albums and it's more subdued, but it was far from a "piece of shit" and Maynard's vocals sounded great, so I don't think that's a cause for concern regarding Tool's forthcoming album. And even if you're one of the people that doesn't like 10,000 Days, you can't deny how great Opiate, Undertow, ∆nima, and Lateralus were and still are. Again, this is all opinion and subjective, but I also feel like it's become trendy to hate on Tool lately (almost like Nickelback, only Tool doesn't deserve it) and make easy, low-hanging-fruit Chinese Democracy jokes about how long it's taking them.
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    Bill, go head over to your Mike Patton circle jerk (wherever that may be). ETE wasn’t APC’s finest moment, but it was good and most people enjoyed it. Sure was better than Trents trilogy.

    As for new Tool I agree , probably won’t be anything ground breaking or their best release ever, just hoping I like it- and will most likely lean more towards the proggy side of Tool. If someone’s expecting a 1992-93 alt metal album with MJK screaming his lungs out they should probably go vacation at a mental institution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBurning View Post
    People are expecting Lateralus 2.0 or something prior.
    I remember when people bitched when Schism dropped, because Lateralus sounded too different from Aenima. And then bitched when Vicarious dropped, because 10,000 Days sounded too similar to Lateralus.

    People are gonna bitch either way. Give it five years, and people will get over their initial vitriol (the same vitriol that accompanies every Tool album upon release), and will see it as the album it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    Bill, go head over to your Mike Patton circle jerk (wherever that may be). ETE wasn’t APC’s finest moment, but it was good and most people enjoyed it. Sure was better than Trents trilogy.

    As for new Tool I agree , probably won’t be anything ground breaking or their best release ever, just hoping I like it- and will most likely lean more towards the proggy side of Tool. If someone’s expecting a 1992-93 alt metal album with MJK screaming his lungs out they should probably go vacation at a mental institution.
    APCs new album was better than Trents trilogy? I am sure you will find many NIN fans who laugh at that statement.The APC album was a shitbomb and got terrible reviews everywhere and most APC fans I know listened to it once and tossed it (me included).....As for the Mike Patton circle jerk. Lest we forget, those open minded Tool fans were the same fans who made fools of themselves booing Mikes bands Tomahawk AND Fantomas off the stage every night back in the day when Mike opened for them. Considering MJK constantly invites Patton bands to tour with him, he may be leading the Mike Patton circle jerk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazy View Post
    . ETE wasn’t APC’s finest moment, but it was good and most people enjoyed it. Sure was better than Trents trilogy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    APCs new album was better than Trents trilogy? I am sure you will find many NIN fans who laugh at that statement.The APC album was a shitbomb and got terrible reviews everywhere and most APC fans I know listened to it once and tossed it (me included).....
    I want to add/discuss this comment, but I don't want to further derail the TOOL thread, so I am moving my response to "controversial NIN opinions" to continue the discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    APCs new album was better than Trents trilogy? I am sure you will find many NIN fans who laugh at that statement.The APC album was a shitbomb and got terrible reviews everywhere and most APC fans I know listened to it once and tossed it (me included).....As for the Mike Patton circle jerk. Lest we forget, those open minded Tool fans were the same fans who made fools of themselves booing Mikes bands Tomahawk AND Fantomas off the stage every night back in the day when Mike opened for them. Considering MJK constantly invites Patton bands to tour with him, he may be leading the Mike Patton circle jerk
    Oh gee, let’s do a poll with NIN fans finding out if Bad Witch is better than [insert some other bands album here]. What a concept. While we’re at it let’s join Taylor Swifts FB group asking her fans if BW is better than her latest LP. I wonder how that may turn out.

    As for ETE, that album was higher than BW on every year end review I saw. But who cares about polls and reviews and all that, right?

    yeah, I enjoy ETE more than the trilogy. I really don’t go back to any of those ep’s, but find myself spinning ETE often. This coming from someone that’s a much bigger NIN fan than APC. Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyson View Post
    I remember when people bitched when Schism dropped, because Lateralus sounded too different from Aenima. And then bitched when Vicarious dropped, because 10,000 Days sounded too similar to Lateralus.

    People are gonna bitch either way. Give it five years, and people will get over their initial vitriol (the same vitriol that accompanies every Tool album upon release), and will see it as the album it is.
    However the album turns out, it’s gonna be REALLY weird listening to new Tool. Even if it sounds similar to 10K Days and Lateralus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    APCs new album was better than Trents trilogy? I am sure you will find many NIN fans who laugh at that statement.The APC album was a shitbomb and got terrible reviews everywhere and most APC fans I know listened to it once and tossed it (me included).....As for the Mike Patton circle jerk. Lest we forget, those open minded Tool fans were the same fans who made fools of themselves booing Mikes bands Tomahawk AND Fantomas off the stage every night back in the day when Mike opened for them. Considering MJK constantly invites Patton bands to tour with him, he may be leading the Mike Patton circle jerk
    I'm still confused. Are we even talking about the same album?

    Eat the Elephant ended up on a number of "Best of 2018" album lists as the year drew to a close...

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    Yeah, user reviews were harsh, but otherwise, ETE was really well received overall. I mean, even Pitchfork gave it a 4.9/10 ! That's really really high by their standard!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by theimage13 View Post
    I'm still confused. Are we even talking about the same album?

    Eat the Elephant ended up on a number of "Best of 2018" album lists as the year drew to a close...
    Fan/user reviews killed it

    Pitchfork hated it https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums...-the-elephant/

    Needledrop hated it

    another bad review https://www.thefourohfive.com/music/...e-elephant-152

    Spin murdered it https://www.spin.com/2018/04/a-perfe...ephant-review/

    AV Club dismissed it https://music.avclub.com/a-perfect-c...bou-1825322971

    DIS dismissed it http://drownedinsound.com/releases/2...eviews/4151761

    So I dont know where these best of lists come from. The album was widely mocked and dismissed by many

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    https://www.metacritic.com/music/eat...perfect-circle

    Metacritic gave it a weighted score of 68, which isn't bad. It's the same score that 10,000 Days got, for anything that's worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell View Post
    Fan/user reviews killed it

    Pitchfork hated it https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums...-the-elephant/

    Needledrop hated it

    another bad review https://www.thefourohfive.com/music/...e-elephant-152

    Spin murdered it https://www.spin.com/2018/04/a-perfe...ephant-review/

    AV Club dismissed it https://music.avclub.com/a-perfect-c...bou-1825322971

    DIS dismissed it http://drownedinsound.com/releases/2...eviews/4151761

    So I dont know where these best of lists come from. The album was widely mocked and dismissed by many
    Anthony Fantano is a fucking piece of shit, and you're really going to use Pitchfork as an argument on a NIN board?

    AllMusic: 4/5
    Kerrang!: 5/5
    Metal Injection: 9/10
    The Independent: 4/5
    Sputnik Music: 4/5
    Loudwire: #3 best rock album of the year.
    Consequence of Sound: #13 best metal / hard rock album of the year.
    Gigwise: #1 album of the year
    Revolver: #10 album of the year
    Revolver fan poll: #3 album of the year

    So you found a bunch of bad reviews, and I found a bunch of good ones. Guess what; neither means anything. A lot of people love Eat The Elephant, but more importantly, a lot of people don't think the quality of an APC or Puscifer album has anything to do with the potential quality of a Tool album.

    You are more than welcome to dislike something, but don't talk about it like it's objectively bad. All that does is hurt people's feelings and alienate them from your viewpoint. If you want to discuss how Maynard's lyrics are more on the nose / less poetic on Eat The Elephant and that that raises concern in you for the lyrical content of the new Tool album, then hey, there's room for an intelligent, friendly discourse. If you just tell people something they love is a piece of shit, no one is going to respect or listen to your argument.

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    Calm down guys, the drummer hasn't changed. We'll be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadflax View Post
    Anthony Fantano is a fucking piece of shit.
    lol agreed

    And while we're at it, so is Maynard James Keenan. Remember last year when he was accused of raping women at his shows and then made some callous, half-assed statement claiming his innocence and wreaking of arrogance? A class act, that guy..

    Fuck him and his new Tool album that comes out in 2026. And anything else he does, for that matter..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealNs1 View Post
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    Calm down guys, the drummer hasn't changed. We'll be fine.
    Adam is still there as well. Adam and Danny are 2 major key components of Tool. Honestly, Maynard has never really seen it as "his band". He totally gives the spotlight to the other guys. That's how he wants it. Maynard has little to no say on he music. Maynard is just there to provide vocals and sing, but like he does in APC.

    APC is mainly Billy. Different group of people doing the music to both bands. We will be fine.
    If anything, we might not get any "The Grudge" or "Ticks & Leeches" type screaming on this record, doubt Maynard's voice could handle that in his 50s.
    I mean, I hope there are at least 1 or 2 really fucking hard songs on there, but I'm not holding my breath. I think it'll be more like Disposition/Reflection/Triad, wings for Marie/10k days type of stuff. The band said each song is at least 10 mins long. Guessing there will only be around 7-8 songs then. Maybe 10 if we're lucky, 8 main 9 min songs would clock in at 72 mins right there with maybe a couple 1-2 minute interludes will bring the total time to 75 mins.

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