Tool

[Krazy]

Yeah, I’ve got a hard time feeling “sorry” for the guy. He’s asked a couple questions about it during interviews- knowing full well he’ll get said questions, he can always decline interviews. Don’t like Twitter? He can easily promote whatever he wants on social media, just don’t even bother looking at the comments.

I’ve no doubt Maynard is a smart dude (and a bit of an asshole), but if it wasn’t for Tool who knows where he would be. He likely never would’ve met Billy so APC wouldn’t have formed. I still think Puscifer is only slightly successful due to the mans name and not necessarily musical output. Without the money he’s made would he really have started a vineyard in Arizona?

[theimage13]

Yeah, I’ve got a hard time feeling “sorry” for the guy. He’s asked a couple questions about it during interviews- knowing full well he’ll get said questions, he can always decline interviews. Don’t like Twitter? He can easily promote whatever he wants on social media, just don’t even bother looking at the comments.

I’ve no doubt Maynard is a smart dude (and a bit of an asshole), but if it wasn’t for Tool who knows where he would be. He likely never would’ve met Billy so APC wouldn’t have formed. I still think Puscifer is only slightly successful due to the mans name and not necessarily musical output. Without the money he’s made would he really have started a vineyard in Arizona?

I won't deny for a second that Tool's commercial success is largely behind his financial ability to pursue multiple other outlets AND given him a lot of publicity for said ventures. Pretty sure he even acknowledges that in the book, if I remember correctly. But I do think it's kind of dumb that people feel the need to bring it up every.single.time they talk to him, regardless of the context of their conversation or interview. "So tell us about the next APC tour - the new Tool album is next, right?" "Puscifer's new album comes out next week, so now you'll be going back to Tool, right?" "Congrats on another award winning wine grown in the middle of desert- so that new Tool album is coming out soon, right?"

Your solution is for the guy to give up promoting anything else he does because of a band that hasn't released a new song in 17 years? To me, the solution is for everyone else to stop bugging him about old news and just learn some goddamn patience. Badgering him about Tool isn't going to make music come out any sooner, so what's the point of constantly bothering him about it? What good does it do?

[Jon]

Joe Rogan: "I invited that Maynard guy on from Tool, and all he wanted to talk about was his wine."

Perfect example of wasting an interview with someone who would have talked to him about pretty much anything. The Billy Corgan interview was great.

[Krazy]

Your solution is for the guy to give up promoting anything else he does because of a band that hasn't released a new song in 17 years? To me, the solution is for everyone else to stop bugging him about old news and just learn some goddamn patience. Badgering him about Tool isn't going to make music come out any sooner, so what's the point of constantly bothering him about it? What good does it do?

I already pointed out the solution- avoid comments (one can do that) on social media. Avoid replying, simple enough. He doesn’t do many interviews (MAYBE a handful a year?), so if it bothers him that much (for the record I don’t really think it bothers him to the point of hating life) decline or don’t schedule interviews.

Im guessing people get more bent out of shape about it than the man himself.

[theimage13]

I already pointed out the solution- avoid comments (one can do that) on social media. Avoid replying, simple enough. He doesn’t do many interviews (MAYBE a handful a year?), so if it bothers him that much (for the record I don’t really think it bothers him to the point of hating life) decline or don’t schedule interviews.

Im guessing people get more bent out of shape about it than the man himself.

If you're just going to post without interacting with fans though, you're just a billboard at that point. Why even post at all if you're not going to engage with the fans afterwards? I don't think anyone here is bent out of shape. I think we just find it annoying that people are so obsessive about one old band that they're unable to keep a conversation to current, relevant topics.

[Krazy]

If you're just going to post without interacting with fans though, you're just a billboard at that point. Why even post at all if you're not going to engage with the fans afterwards? I don't think anyone here is bent out of shape. I think we just find it annoying that people are so obsessive about one old band that they're unable to keep a conversation to current, relevant topics.

Yeah, but one can’t cherry pick what their fans are interested in either. I don’t think it’s a reach for Maynard to get a vast majority of replies being Tool related, even if it sways (including trolling) from something NOT Tool related (for instance him tweeting about new APC or APC tours).

Conclusion: social media is fucking stupid.

[october_midnight]

It does in fact appear that the music is fully complete and that MJK is now getting to work. In a tweet yesterday that was promptly deleted:

@mjkeenan TOOL took over 11 years to complete the tracks, to write the lyrics I will only take half of that.

[theimage13]

Yeah, but one can’t cherry pick what their fans are interested in either. I don’t think it’s a reach for Maynard to get a vast majority of replies being Tool related, even if it sways (including trolling) from something NOT Tool related (for instance him tweeting about new APC or APC tours).

Conclusion: social media is fucking stupid.

No, but the fans can pick where to bring up their interests. Example: I went to see one of Les Claypool's other bands back around 2000. Some asshole kept screaming for Primus songs (in the middle of other songs, mind you) until Les finally got fed up with it and told him he'd have security throw him out if he didn't shut the fuck up. The entire audience erupted in cheers. Point being, if you want to ask about Tool, don't dump it in his lap when he's trying to talk about something else.

[virushopper]

It does in fact appear that the music is fully complete and that MJK is now getting to work. In a tweet yesterday that was promptly deleted:

@mjkeenan TOOL took over 11 years to complete the tracks, to write the lyrics I will only take half of that.

On Reddit the tweet was confirmed to be Photoshop. Maynard's account isn't verified.

[Krazy]

No, but the fans can pick where to bring up their interests. Example: I went to see one of Les Claypool's other bands back around 2000. Some asshole kept screaming for Primus songs (in the middle of other songs, mind you) until Les finally got fed up with it and told him he'd have security throw him out if he didn't shut the fuck up. The entire audience erupted in cheers. Point being, if you want to ask about Tool, don't dump it in his lap when he's trying to talk about something else.

Youre comparing a live event with some drunken idiot, to social media that’s totally avoidable?

C’mon man. Grasping straws here.

Continue to argue if you want, I’m outty.

[gerbil]

Yeah, but one can’t cherry pick what their fans are interested in either. I don’t think it’s a reach for Maynard to get a vast majority of replies being Tool related, even if it sways (including trolling) from something NOT Tool related (for instance him tweeting about new APC or APC tours).

Conclusion: social media is fucking stupid.

He does respond to fans but people get butthurt when he does. He’s easily the one being most honest with us about tracking and how far along in the process they are but he’s being flippant about it so people get mad.


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[theimage13]

Youre comparing a live event with some drunken idiot, to social media that’s totally avoidable?

C’mon man. Grasping straws here.

Continue to argue if you want, I’m outty.

You're only talking about fans. I'm talking about EVERYONE.

It's imperative for the frontman of a band to do SOME level of media promotion when advancing a new album or tour. So let's say he's doing his ONE interview ahead of a Puscifer show. Naturally, Tool will come up. But here's how to do it better: instead of specifically badgering him about Tool, just acknowledge that he has "several other projects" and ask if there's anything in the works with any of them. It's open ended instead of leading. Now you've given him the choice as to whether he wants to talk about Tool or not while still allowing him to do press events. Everybody wins.

And I don't think we're arguing. I think we're discussing differing viewpoints in a remarkably civil manner for social media. Arguing has such a negative connotation

(Also, now I have the Monty Python argument clinic sketch stuck in my head, which I almost forgot existed. So thanks for that!)

[Amaro]

EDIT: Adding this:

^^^ I came in here to post this ^^^ May as well bump it !

[october_midnight]

So apparently there's been a video for what I'm guessing to be the first single fully shot already? Pure CGI is what I'm assuming as well....Dominic Hailstone, who worked on Alien: Covenant among other things, gave an interview here. and the question posed to him was:

CF: What would you say has been your favourite project to work on?
DH: A video for Tool that should be coming out later this year. Adam Jones gave me complete artistic freedom so the only constraint was the budget, we had a lot of fun figuring that out. Other than that Alien Covenant as I was working with friends I hadn’t seen in over 15 years. That was special.

[Mr. Blaileen]

That sounds nice..but I will believe nothing until I see or hear some official news.

[SM Rollinger]

this band is done

Maynard is gonna phone in the vocals and its gonna suck

it will be chinese democracy 2.0

[Krazy]

this band is done

Maynard is gonna phone in the vocals and its gonna suck

it will be chinese democracy 2.0

Im a bit pessimistic about the new album (assuming it ever sees the light of day) as well. It’s not so much a Tool thing as much as it is a musician thing- there’s only so much in the tank, and it tends to be a younger persons inspiration.

Inhave t really liked a whole lot from NIN/TR (and now Atticus Ross) in the past decade, and new APC seems to be “meh” as well.

If theres one band band that I think can pull it off is Tool though, we’ll see.

One thing I’ll say is the live shows, from all three bands mentioned above, are still great. There’s always that to fall back upon.

[SM Rollinger]

seriously though, adam should have shit canned this douche nozzle a long time ago and continued as a 3 piece with danny on vocals.

im SO beyond this band

[gerbil]

seriously though, adam should have shit canned this douche nozzle a long time ago and continued as a 3 piece with danny on vocals.

im SO beyond this band

Then go away.


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[sonic_discord]

I'm SO over everyone blaming everything 100% on Maynard.

[aggroculture]

I can understand Maynard's frustrations here and am sympathetic to him. He's trying to release a APC record and Tool are being all "Hey we're nearly done with this little record we've been working on for ten years" - when they're not.

Also, if you think Tool can continue without Maynard, I invite you to listen to Pygmy Love Circus.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

It is not always on Maynard. The album will eventually come out, and everyone saying that they are done with this band... blah, blah, blah, you all know you will be there the second this album is released. Yes, it can be frustrating if your favorite band is Tool and you feel jerked around or whatever for 10+ years, but everyone has the potential to digress and should. I love Tool, but at this point the inner workings of all the guys in this band and how they work is just old news. Patiently waiting...

[halo eighteen]

I don't think Maynard is necessarily going to half-ass the lyrics/vocals for the new Tool record, but I absolutely think he's going to take a fair bit of time getting them done..

[elevenism]

i didn't like Maynard as a person and i've been a fan since 1993.

But reading his book gave me a BIG insight into his personality. I understand him a lot better and i actually have respect for his attitude at times.

He's one of a kind. It's basically "i don't owe you anything except my art."

Also, @Krazy , i had the same experience when Aenima came out. Tool was one of my favorite bands; i fucking ADORED Opiate and Undertow.
It took me a long time to come around to Aeinma, but now it's one of my favorite albums of all time.
Same goes for Lateralus.

I'm not, however, a big fan of 10,000 days. It's just OK in my opinion.

I'm also worried about the fact that people have been waiting for this record for SO LONG that the expectations are going to be INSANELY high. I expect a LOT of backlash. This thing is gonna have to be a fucking MASTERPIECE and i hope to god it is.

[Krazy]

I'm also worried about the fact that people have been waiting for this record for SO LONG that the expectations are going to be INSANELY high. I expect a LOT of backlash. This thing is gonna have to be a fucking MASTERPIECE and i hope to god it is.

Yup. This has been brought up on here on other Tool related forums. They’re going to have to come up with something not only great, but catches (“cathchy”?) ones attention right away as well. That is difficult to do.

I can see the general response to it as: “we’ve been waiting so long for this!?!?!” It’ll be weird for sure if a new album sees the light of day

[aggroculture]

that was the reaction when 10,000 Days came out: some fans were so disappointed they thought it was a "decoy album": there were a bunch of people who actually believed that Tool were dropping some shitty fake album as a troll, and the real thing would follow. I hope people won't be so stupid this time, but there will be widespread disappointment whatever they do. Let's face it: rock bands peak, and Tool probably peaked with Aenima and Lateralus. That said, I'm confident that whatever they shit out will be better than 90% of what's out there.

[gerbil]

Personally I just don’t have any expectations lyrically or musically for the material. If it comes out I’ll probably enjoy it one way or another.


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[Amaro]

I really have a good feeling the new album will be righteous.

[sonic_discord]

People will almost definitely complain that it's a rehash of 10,000 Days/Lateralus (especially if they use Alex Grey artwork again). When 10k Days came out, a lot of people complained that it was a rehash of Lateralus. I think that's just the style they've settled on and I don't expect the new album to mix things up TOO much (just look at "Descending"). But yeah, I'm sure everyone here and on Facebook and in the comments of every article will say it sucks because that seems to be what people do now – bitch for the sake of bitching, hate on Maynard, and never be satisfied. Here's hoping I'm wrong, though.

[fillow]

OK, I'm taking advantage here and admit: I fucking love this new album already (I know I will, that's just how me and my favorite bands work) and you won't hear a word of complain from me.