Tool

[Dryalex12]

Then I guess you don't go to the show if the need to have your phone is that great? If you go to the live taping of a TV show, they will confiscate your phone on the way in. For the longest time, when cameras started to get good on phones, many venues stuck to the old rule of "no recording devices allowed." I don't know if it's different now, but last time I went to burning man your phone didn't work all week long; the horror.

We're so attached to our phones now it's crazy.

No, you are assuming we are. Im not, I would still like to have my phone with me though. Not everyone here is addicted to our phones, not as much as someone like Maynard would want you to think.

[Jinsai]

No, you are assuming we are. Im not, I would still like to have my phone with me though. Not everyone here is addicted to our phones, not as much as someone like Maynard would want you to think.

No, you're understating a problem because you don't get the totality of the rollout of it.

Under your logic, it would be a grave disaster to let grade school kids attend school without their phones... how will they contact love ones if a kid walks into class with a shotgun, under your logic.

OK. Cool. And that happens almost never, but it's terrible if it does. But will cell phones prevent it? NO. Are cell phones the problem in this situation? NO. Will they protect my child from being shot? Absolutely not.

But will cell phones enable kids to share super fucked up videos with their classmates that no parent would want them to see EVER? Yes. And then it'll become as commonplace as Russians flooding FB with memes to influence our elections... as common as handheld devices will become in helping students cheat on exams that they didn't study for... as common as all the fucking stupidity that comes from an argument with someone referencing Wikipedia while you work from what you actually educated yourself about.

We don't NEED OUR FUCKING CELL PHONES EVERYWHERE WE GO. You will be perfectly fine without it for a few hours. Most likely, if you're not fine, your cell phone wouldn't have saved you anyway, but in the off chance that it would have, I'd rather care more about all those other concerns.

Take your cell phone with you if you're worried about being trapped under a boulder and you might have to bite your arm off. That might help then, in that instance... otherwise, at a concert that's being attacked by terrorists, as you brought up, your cell phone won't do shit for you.

[theimage13]

Take your cell phone with you if you're worried about being trapped under a boulder and you might have to bite your arm off. That might help then, in that instance... otherwise, at a concert that's being attacked by terrorists, as you brought up, your cell phone won't do shit for you.

Speak for yourself. Depending on circumstances, it could be your way of alerting authorities to details about the situation; location of shooters, location of hostages, etc. Being able to text people can be the difference between some tiny measure of sanity and a panic attack so bad that you'll feel like you're about to die anyway. In case there are actually people in the world who love you, I'm sure they'll be glad you have your phone so you can communicate that you're safe. And yeah, if things go completely tits-up, then you can at least send one last text or voicemail to your parents, your spouse, your kids, whoever, offering you a chance to say goodbye.

Just because it's not going to jam an AR-15 doesn't mean it's useless.

But again, holy fucking shit, let's get this back on the top of Tool.

[Archive_Reports]

But will cell phones enable kids to share super fucked up videos with their classmates that no parent would want them to see EVER? Yes. And then it'll become as commonplace as Russians flooding FB with memes to influence our elections... as common as handheld devices will become in helping students cheat on exams that they didn't study for... as common as all the fucking stupidity that comes from an argument with someone referencing Wikipedia while you work from what you actually educated yourself about.

There's a lot to unpack here, but let's focus on this for a second. While cell phones may make it easier to access this stuff, social media is the core problem in your example.

To speak on the concert experience, if someone else enjoys a show by being on their phone, that's on them, no? The way you want to experience things is no more valid than theirs. If bands think it's hard to make money now, wait until they try to confiscate phones en masse and see how attendance numbers drop.

@theimage13 said pretty much everything else worth saying on the topic.

[Jinsai]

To speak on the concert experience, if someone else enjoys a show by being on their phone, that's on them, no? The way you want to experience things is no more valid than theirs.

replace “a show” with “going to a movie theater.” The issue becomes clearer there right? We are just so used to people being on their phones all the time at concerts. I really don’t care that much but if the band hates it, hey, you’re there to see them right?

And this IS about Tool. It’s the policy Maynard wants. There’s larger general drift around these here Tool parts

[Dryalex12]

replace “a show” with “going to a movie theater.” The issue becomes clearer there right? We are just so used to people being on their phones all the time at concerts. I really don’t care that much but if the band hates it, hey, you’re there to see them right?

And this IS about Tool. It’s the policy Maynard wants. There’s larger general drift around these here Tool parts

Thats a whole different thing entirely but lets get back on topic