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Faceplams: Looks like all the east coast shows sold out already. Yeah, we're fucked.Originally Posted by RJK
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Looks like all the east coast shows sold out already. Yeah, we're fucked.
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I'll just get some nosebleeds if I have to aaaand nope sold out.
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I almost cried, forgot to go in queue.... and then I couldn't get red seats... but I read on facebook "keep spamming the search button"..... AND IT WORKED!!!
OMG I'M GOING TO SEE MAYNARD LIVE FOR THE FIRST TIME
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floor is all seats....why, why, why?????
allstate sold out in about 30 seconds
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Yeah, tried getting tickets to Chicago and zero fucking luck.
Center27j- Tool has been doing floor seating for years now. I'm guessing it's to help make sure people watch the show instead of owning into others.
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That's quite strange. I wonder why it took so long?
This has been 99% of Tool, APC, and Puscifer shows for... what, a decade or more?
Maynard (and presumably many/most of the other guys) want the crowd to, kinda ummm, chill I guess and focus on the music. They want the show to be the sole center of attention. They don't want people acting like idiots and moshing during important or touching songs. These guys have been touring musicians for a long time - they know what fucking morons people can be. So they just decided to force people to not mosh and pay attention to the show. For what it's worth, this is all presumption on my part. I honestly don't know for certain why all the shows have seats. If anybody knows of an interview (or Adam Q&A?) where this is directly addressed, please let me know. But other than just guessing, I know that Maynard has expressed strong displeasure at moshing.
"Moshing? Really. Come on. What is it, 1997?"
I honestly quite hate the seats. A GA floor is really the most ideal set-up for a show. That way, people can get a decent spot in the venue by being a real, dedicated fan and waiting in line all day. As opposed to seating, for which if you want a good seat, you either have to be the luckiest fuck alive and manage to randomly snag a good spot in the first .0001 seconds after the show goes on sale, or... you can pay $600 to a guy who bought all the good spots with a bot or by being connected to the promoter/Ticketmaster or whatever. It's crap.
Other than that, I personally think it really just ruins the vibe. I think if the intention is to have the crowd focus on the show, it's a failure. Being surrounded by a cool crowd (i.e. not a bunch of rowdy shitbag assholes) is the best way to enjoy the show. You have room to dance without bashing your shins on the chair in front of you, you don't have to worry about the person behind you being the one person in the entire auditorium who is sitting down and throwing a fit about standing in their way (this has literally happened to me.)
I dunno, fucking chairs at a rock show just feels awful and awkward and claustrophobic and shitty. Meh.
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Montreal is also pretty much sold out. Floor is gone. Red sections are 95% sold out. Nosebleed section left.
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When I saw A Perfect Circle in 04 at people were moshing to 3 Libras. So, I'm okay with people chilling out nowadays. Maynard likes to keep Puscifer shows in small theaters because he feels like reflects the band better.
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Maybard needs to keep Puscifer in small theatres because it's not a very in-demand show. That's an easy ticket to get, and an over-priced one IMHO. I think I paid over $70 for a show here in Milwaukee last year.
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the last time they played chicago was lolla...and when i saw them tour lateralus at allstate i was on the floor with no seats. i'm all for not being surrounded by people who act obnoxious, but seats are a def vibe killer.
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I forgot TOOL did seats these days... shows you how long It's been since I saw a TOOL show, lol.
But now that I think about it, that's right... I remember the show in Victoria having seats on the floor and that was way back in 2007 already. So they've been installing seats for a decade now.
But I agree, seats are pure garbage. If you're gonna be stuck in a seat anywhere in the venue, you may as well just stay home and watch a concert DVD.
Part of the experience at a show is being in the crowd, not necessary moshing, you know, just being as close to the stage as humanly possible.
Even if cramming up to thousands of other people isn't your cup of tea, it's nice to not be restricted to a 1 foot x 1 foot space. It's nice to be able to move around at your own free will, see the concert from a different area/perspective of the venue. I've never been a fan of seats.
All this makes me glad I saw TOOL in their prime on the 2002 "Inside the Outside" tour. I think that was the definitive TOOL experience to have witnessed.
They're still marvelous at what they do, don't get me wrong, but all of this is reminding me how much of a pain in the ass experience attending a TOOL show is these days.
tickets that sell out instantly, Seats on the floor, $50 T-shirts, static setlist for 10+ years, 12 minutes intermissions of noise while Maynard goes back stage to jerk off (and then he doesn't even have the nerve of playing the fucking song when he returns from doing so...)
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So did anyone actually manage to get tickets from Ticketmaster this morning? Looks like I'm checking Stubhub again for the next two months.
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The last time I saw Tool was when they were touring for Lateralus - caught them in Cleveland, seats on the floor, twelve rows back. I might as well have been in an intimate venue - it was fucking awesome.
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Kinda wish I had gone with the VIP experience as I had to pay $250 for a floor ticket on StubHub. Fucking scalpers. Seriously can't believe it sold out so quickly. Felt like 30 seconds.
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You didn't have to pay that. Sorry you did this time around...but as events get closer and scalpers can't get insane prices, the market drops out and things get much more reasonable. Not EVERY time, but way more often than not. Next time, wait.
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Ditto. It was an arena show for me, but it was $45 - fees included - for second row seats.
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Yup, I'm gonna wait a little for these tickets to drop since StubHub peaked at around 2,300 tickets last night. Only way I'd go for it right away is if there were only a few hundred tickets in an arena.
Sidenote: I don't think it's fair to compare ticket prices from 15 years ago. Inflation for one, for two the way bands make money now is different as well. I remember people here losing their shit for having to pay $100 for Tension. That kind of pricing is the norm now. I probably paid about $30 for Fragility.
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It's not really a black and white statement that can be made. On some tours, the tickets that have far outpaced inflation are a direct result of drastically increased production costs. Not only do the physical components cost more, but there's a shit ton of money that goes into the R&D for them, then additional people have to be paid to be on the tour to pull it off (so that's paychecks, per diems, catering costs, hotel costs, etc), and the number of required stagehands (who sometimes make astronomical union wages) also rises.
But Tool? Watching clips from last year, the production seems fairly straightforward. It doesn't strike me as anything that would justify a 100% increase in price in a 15 year span, given that the rate of inflation in that same time span is only about 35%.
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What were we paying for LITS, I wanna say around $60??? In a 5 year span that nearly doubled despite it being incredibly similar to Tension. Yeah, there were more musicians this time around. But still, look around at what arena tours cost nowadays. Even something like Pearl Jam that I saw a couple years back, with nothing to write home about production wise, wasn't cheap.
Im no expert admittedly, but I'm guessing part of increased ticket prices are due to musicians/bands (entire industry?) not being able to make a living off of making music anymore.
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Pretty much, people who don't buy records and just stream/ download bitch at the band for hiking up prices. It's a shame.
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It is partially the promoters biding against each other driving up the ticket prices as well. In larger cities with lots of promoters and venues, cities like Los Angeles and New York are known for higher prices, but it also happens in Las Vegas where there are a lot of promoters, a lot of venues, as well as the casinos also getting involved driving up the ticket prices.
I have to say compared to some bands NIN tickets are usually reasonable priced for the show they put on, but that is not to say that, that may not change in the future.
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Here's RHCP in Milwaukee, tickets top out at ~$130 plus fees. Want to sit in front of a pillar where you can't see shit? This is what it'll cost you...
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RHCP are arguably more popular than Tool (something I never thought I'd say). Curious though - what app is that? Are those resale tickets or is that face value?
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Thats the Ticketmaster app. Those are face value "new" tickets and not resale.
If we're going strictly by tickets available on Ticketmaster, one could easily make the argument that Tool is more popular than RHCP. I don't believe there's one available ticket for all of Tools shows.
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Well, when you do maybe a dozen shows in a year vs 145 in ~18 months, the market for tickets is just a liiiiitle different.
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I get that it's not an apples to apples comparison for that simple fact, but imagine even more hatred that would spew towards Tool if they were one of these non-stop touring bands like RHCP or Korn (do those fans piss and moan about them also?) . There is that angle as well.
Fact is they're a very in-demand live act, and can't complain about what they charge for their live shows in 2017. They have their very obvious faults as far as treating fans properly but they are doing something right as far as the touring goes.
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Not if sure Krazy is the sole Tool defender on ETS or if there are others.
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There's a "Krazy" in every thread on ETS
EDIT: I'm only 6 posts away from meeting my "Birth year" in my post count, so I think I will officially stop there. Guess I better make the next 6 posts worth it.
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