Sigil 04_: Welcome oblivion

**Henrie_Schnee** · 02-03-2013, 10:46 AM

Yeah, wait for the Multitracks and then get YOUR girlfriends/wives to sing...

But seriously, there's this school of thought about the certain appeal of having women sing in songs who cannot actually sing... how should I put it... as well as the song is intended to be? And I think this really started with Nico on Velvet Undergrounds Banana-record... so, yeah, time has shown that this approach can also lead to success & great art. Especially today, I see this trend re-emerge in the neo/synthi/80s revival bands like The XX, How to Destroy Angels, Bat for Lashes, Crystal Castles and, to a lesser extend, Ladytron... I mean, especially The XX, they're popular as fuck & that girl might have breath, but her voice has as much passion as an episode of The Office.

So, yeah, I can see why people wouldn't like Mariqueens voice... but c'est la vie. Wait for the multitracks!

**butter_hole** · 02-03-2013, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Henrie_Schnee

But seriously, there's this school of thought about the certain appeal of having women sing in songs who cannot actually sing... how should I put it... as well as the song is intended to be? And I think this really started with Nico on Velvet Undergrounds Banana-record... so, yeah, time has shown that this approach can also lead to success & great art. Especially today, I see this trend re-emerge in the neo/synthi/80s revival bands like The XX, How to Destroy Angels, Bat for Lashes, Crystal Castles and, to a lesser extend, Ladytron... I mean, especially The XX, they're popular as fuck & that girl might have breath, but her voice has as much passion as an episode of The Office.

the fuck is this? get your hearing checked, man.

**Henrie_Schnee** · 02-03-2013, 04:43 PM

So what? Opinion.

**ItsJustDave** · 02-03-2013, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Henrie_Schnee

So what? Opinion.

Opinion? You called it a "school of thought". Clearly insinuating that there is a conscious decision being made to have "women sing in songs who cannot actually sing... how should I put it... as well as the song is intended to be?". That's not opinion, so drop the cop out and own it.

**Henrie_Schnee** · 02-03-2013, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by ItsJustDave

Opinion? You called it a "school of thought". Clearly insinuating that there is a conscious decision being made to have "women sing in songs who cannot actually sing... how should I put it... as well as the song is intended to be?". That's not opinion, so drop the cop out and own it.

Yeah. Sorry. No native speaker, just trying to get the right expressions. My point: I say it is AS fashionable today with modern/dark "electronica" AS it was in the days of post-punk and early synth-pop. Second point: People found it "chic" back then; so people will find it "chic" today. Third point: With "no passion"/"bad singer" singer I'm merely saying that they are no trained, high class vocalist with a wide range of styles, big octave range, unique voice, etc... YET they're voices fit the music perfectly (sense of modern alienation, hauntingess, lots of echo... this kind of stuff). Not trying to start another shitstorm here, seriously.

**carpenoctem** · 02-03-2013, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Henrie_Schnee

But seriously, there's this school of thought about the certain appeal of having women sing in songs who cannot actually sing... how should I put it... as well as the song is intended to be? And I think this really started with Nico on Velvet Undergrounds Banana-record... so, yeah, time has shown that this approach can also lead to success & great art. Especially today, I see this trend re-emerge in the neo/synthi/80s revival bands like The XX, How to Destroy Angels, Bat for Lashes, Crystal Castles and, to a lesser extend, Ladytron... I mean, especially The XX, they're popular as fuck & that girl might have breath, but her voice has as much passion as an episode of The Office.

This is just nuts. I know it's your opinion, but how you can't be moved by the male/female trade-off of the xx is crazy to me - Romy is essential to that band's whole approach. Also, Bat For Lashes is a project all about female identity - there is NO WAY a man could sing Natasha's songs any better than her. The duet she did with Scott Walker only served to highlight how truly central to the music she is.

This is now off-topic, so I'll get back to what we can all agree on: we want another Nine Inch Nails record with Trent's vocals as the main focus, and Welcome Oblivion is not going to be that record. So some of us will be disappointed until 2014, I guess.

**tyrannus** · 02-03-2013, 09:48 PM

The vinyl version of Welcome oblivion is down to $26 bucks on amazon. Just ordered it. 1 month to go.

**sheepdean** · 02-03-2013, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by tyrannus

The vinyl version of Welcome oblivion is down to $26 bucks on amazon. Just ordered it. 1 month to go.

I'm still holding out for HTDA's website

**Scarlet Siren** · 02-04-2013, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by sheepdean

I'm still holding out for HTDA's website

Do you think there will be a better package via the website? My mouse his hovering over the 'buy now with 1 click' button....

**BenAkenobi** · 02-03-2013, 11:02 PM

well, i'm agreeing with some opinions above, about voice. she sounded alright on the 2010 EP, that was solid, and i can't find a flaw there.
but not so much on all these new songs where she's expanding her range (IYLSE, ice age, how long) there are moments that bring me down to earth while i want to be up in the sky with that music (just like it was with 2010 EP).
the pictures in my imagination suddenly get cracked by reality. these kinds of vocalizing ("o-o-o-ocean, uo-uo-uohh" and the like) do remind me of singing while taking shower.
this is kind of frivolous, but hey maybe that's a concept, to let her loose, to make her slip away? do they want music to just be "okay" and not "fucking outstanding"? their choice i guess.
in my mind i try to find explanations for this while with good music i just listen and enjoy without "back thoughts".

**laci** · 02-04-2013, 04:48 AM

According to Amazon, the vinyl version of the album will be a 3 disc set. Nice.

**ManOfAtom** · 02-04-2013, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by laci

According to Amazon, the vinyl version of the album will be a 3 disc set. Nice.

two records and a CD.

**laci** · 02-04-2013, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by laci

According to Amazon, the vinyl version of the album will be a 3 disc set. Nice.

Oh, sorry, that's true.
Thanks for your help!

**spahn** · 02-04-2013, 11:21 AM

Q's vocals, imo, are getting better and better. i think she nails it in How Long?, no pun intended. I can just imagine how awesome it would be to see her up on stage singing the songs live.

**sheepdean** · 02-04-2013, 04:53 PM

Not a better package (Rob's already said that), but the band gets a bigger cut from buying through them, plus the instant download of the album on release day thing. If the cost is the same (or only a tiny bit more), I'll buy through HTDA. Otherwise, Amazon - as they're signed now, there's no risk of them selling out, so ordering now won't differ from ordering in May.

**jessamineny** · 02-04-2013, 05:03 PM

Shipping from Topspin is quite expensive, though.

**sheepdean** · 02-04-2013, 05:06 PM

Indeed it is - I'll not place my order until the site's live though, just in case. And I'd value that digital download at £5, so that's an acceptable amount to cost more than Amazon.

**witte** · 02-07-2013, 10:00 AM

Japanese release: "bonus track" (not 'tracks')

**jjaks** · 02-07-2013, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by nine_inch_nerd

Japanese release: "bonus track" (not 'tracks')

HMV and Japanese Sony Music Shop have no mention about extra tracks.
http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_How-T...livion_5296179
http://www.sonymusicshop.jp/m/item/i...=SICP000003731

**sheepdean** · 02-07-2013, 10:17 AM

Yeah I'm gonna take an eBay listing with a pinch of salt considering they don't even have the item yet, and don't even have the Obi on the album art

**gorast** · 02-07-2013, 12:48 PM

You sure that's not just a quirk in the ebay listing?

Well now this post looks supremely dumb because I didn't realize there was another page.

**blassster** · 02-08-2013, 07:23 PM

Amazon Canada store is about double the price of the .com site (searched ets and didn't see this mentioned). Glad I pre-ordered when it was lower.

**carpenoctem** · 02-10-2013, 11:07 PM

We're now a good amount of the way into February and I can't stop myself from wondering when Welcome Oblivion is going to leak. God, how long has it been since we've had the pleasure of anticipating a Reznor leak from someone not Reznor?

**gorast** · 02-10-2013, 11:37 PM

I'm gonna say a week before March 5.

**Ryan** · 02-12-2013, 10:25 PM

How does everyone plan on sequencing the tracks once this is out?

The CD version has a different track order to the vinyl version. Even if you were to slip the two vinyl bonus tracks onto the CD version, you're going to have a third, entirely different track arrangement.

CD:

"The Wake-Up"
"Keep It Together"
"And The Sky Began To Scream"
"Welcome Oblivion"
"Ice Age"
"On The Wing"
"Too Late, All Gone"
"How Long?"
"Strings And Attractors"
"We Fade Away"
"Recursive Self-Improvement"
"The Loop Closes"
"Hallowed Ground"

Vinyl:

"The Wake-Up"
"Keep It Together"
"And The Sky Began To Scream"
"Ice Age"
"Welcome Oblivion"
"On The Wing"
"Too Late, All Gone"
"The Province Of Fear"
"How Long?"
"Strings And Attractors"
"Recursive Self-Improvement"
"Unintended Consequences"
"We Fade Away"
"The Loop Closes"
"Hallowed Ground"

I was thinking of maybe just going with the entire vinyl version arrangement to avoid too much confusion.

**gorast** · 02-12-2013, 10:28 PM

That's what I intended to do once I had the bonus tracks, unless the segues are weird.

**BenAkenobi** · 02-13-2013, 01:55 AM

Weird segues are a necessity! One of the main selling points if you will.

**Vertigo** · 02-13-2013, 03:42 AM

Do we know where the vinyl's sides start and finish?

**kdrcraig** · 02-13-2013, 07:06 AM

I was just planning on ripping the white label CD of the vinyl version.

**shagg_187** · 02-13-2013, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by kdrcraig

I was just planning on ripping the white label CD of the vinyl version.

Yep. White CD is the definitive version.

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