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Oh, gotcha. I can see that. When they played here last year it was at the Hollywood bowl and it was packed but I can see how that would be in other cities.
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They didn’t let you during the first two songs, but they said you could take as many as you want after that. I took a couple of pics and that’s it. The guy in front me recorded all of Counting Bodies and I couldn’t see. Very frustrating.
Also I hope they were able to appreciate the irony of people recording during Disillusioned..
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My girlfriend and I had a fun interaction during this song at the show yesterday where, after recording video and looking down at her phone to make sure it came out, I gently guided her phone down while singing - timing it perfectly to sync up - "time to put the silicon obsession down..." Fortunately, she laughed and didn't punch me.
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There has to be a better way with recording shit without using phones...i do find it a problem...but i feel like flat out sealing them away..i know im going a bit off topic...but still...this whole "savoring the memory of the event" doesn't really work when you cant remember any of it...like me
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My best guess is that they’re mixing for a live performance and going straight off that mix. Guitars usually don’t need to be too loud bc they have amps to back them. Drums are usually dry. Bass high range gets bumped up since bass amps will push the lower range.
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Sooooooooooooooo.....
Chris Martin is definitely pissed off he didn’t arrange, write, produce or record “So Long, and Thanks For The Fush”, right?
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The more I listen to this, the more I think I like it more than 13S
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the wife’s just bought me tickets for the glasgow show, she’s definitely a keeper
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Disappointed that there are no detailed credits for the drums on this album. It just says: APC drum orchestra is Jeff Friedl, Matt Chamberlain and Isaac Carpenter (plus Dave Sardy, but he probably added programmed drums).
Also, James wasn't involved and Matt McJ only plays bass on two songs (Feathers and B&D)
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As far as I know, James Iha has only contributed to one studio song (People are People) and two remixes – Blue (Bird Shake Mix) and The Outsider (Frosted Yogurt Mix). I wish that Josh Freese and Danny Lohner would still contribute in the studio even if they can't tour with the band.
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Even for the internet, that's a pretty shocking thing to say.
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wow, matt chamberlain played some drums on this and they still managed to bore me? that's depressing. his work with tori amos (especially on the live portion of "to venus & back" is phenomenal).
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I just gave it my first listen and I dont remember one single part as a stand out moment. It sounds like APC, but it sounds like the songs I've traditionally skipped. The only song I remember in the slightest was so long. I thought the track sounded as someone said, like that one cranberries song that sounds like a U2 song. But at least I remember it. Everything else was utterly forgettable. I guess I only like rockier APC and mjk for that matter. Live(er) drums, some power chords and something uptempo would've helped it out. Every song kind of meanders and right when you think it might do something....it stops and it's just atmospheric mjk. What is with him sounding like he is singing with an accent on a lot of songs? I dont think I will return to this album ever. Man that album cover though...even weirder after hearing the album in full. Makes zero sense. Emotive was better imo.
I am a gigantic greg Edward's fan but i now feel sorry for him that he has to play this live. Eek.
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So Long...
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It's pretty interesting how opinions can range from "this is too much like Puscifer" to others feeling like it's just APC as usual. I've only listened to it a few times but I really love it so far. Eat The Elephant (the song) is almost on par with The Package as the best album opener they've had. I wasn't really into Disillusioned when it came out but it's grown on me a ton, it might be one of my favorites on the album actually. A lot of people criticize that song as just old man Maynard screaming at kids but personally as a 19 year old I feel like he's seriously got a point, the lyrics he used to deliver that point might have been a little too obvious but there's definitely a problem with young people especially just being glued to their phones 24/7. I don't think it was intended as a total "FUCK TECHNOLOGY!!" type of song it's just a reminder to not get insanely caught up in it as so many people do. I can see how it could sound kind of preachy, though any long term fan would know that's not new from Maynard by any means. Just go listen to Opiate lol.
I really liked The Doomed and Talk Talk when they came out and I still do, I don't really get why people don't like them. I'm kinda meh on "So long" but I'm sure it will grow on me. I need to listen to the other songs more but I was also really impressed by "Hourglass" and how different that song sounded compared to pretty much everything else Maynard has ever done.
I went into this album with almost zero expectations and I ended up being very pleasantly surprised. EtE is definitely my favorite album of 2018 so far.
grrr. woof.
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I don't think so, the comments section nailed it tho
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I’ve spun this album from front to back about ten times now (along with listening to the some songs as singles, more than others). Initial impression was that it was a decent, solid APC album and I’ll stick to that- but that’s more due to expectations being so low from the singles, and live songs (which I didn’t care for). The album flows well and I think the production is very good- at least from just the quality of the sound. I’ve grown tired of it and don’t think it’ll keep me coming back for more.
Notes: Eat The Elephant is a decent tune, but like others said it’s probably too long for an opener. The Doomed sounds like the most “typical” APC song from start to finish, probably why it was the only single I liked. “So Long...” is...odd. I like it for the fact that it’s a catchy ear worm song, but let’s face it- it sounds like Coldplay or some shit, and if that band released it we would be crapping all over it (heh). By and Down and Feathers just felt like “meh” throw away songs back when there were only live versions and nothing has changed in the studio IMHO. I hated Hourglass live but the studio version is pretty cool. The odd voice manipulation and beginning synths reminded me of Kanye fucking West though lol. Definitely different.
Fourtheye’s Hellboy wrote up a very good and honest review (link below). Pretty much sums up the way I feel about it after a few listens. I’d rather have this album than not have it, with that being said it’s a bit underwhelming. Could’ve used some heavier tracks to break up the monotony, and that’s what APC did so well in the past (much like NIN)- have a bit of everything, and most if it done well.
http://www.fourtheye.net/2018/04/rev...-the-elephant/
And yeah, that album cover is horrendous. Not sure how they didn’t see it as looking like something Manson would do. Really has no bearing on the musical output though.
Cheers!
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More shows announced today.
There's a show here in Charlotte, NC on November 1st. tempted to go!
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Sure did!I don't think so, the comments section nailed it tho
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Is this the same announcement from yesterday? I can’t find anything that was announced today...
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It might be, not sure when it was posted but I read it earlier after a friend informed me.
I haven't checked this thread since it's more opinion than news at the moment.
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Ya, it was confirmed/announced yesterday morning- forgot who originally posted it on here though. Here are the full tour dates
https://pitchfork.com/news/a-perfect...e-expand-tour/
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I believe the Josh Freese and APC situation is still kind of sour. I hope people can add additional context because I'm sure I'm missing things, but from what I understand Josh felt very close to APC and I swear I recall him saying that out of all the hundreds of billions of projects he's drummed with, APC is the only one he ever considered to be his band. Something to that effect? I know he was bitter about the reunion in 2010 hiring a new drummer instead of working around his schedule to allow him to rejoin. If there have been any further (public) developments or make-ups, I missed them.
And from what I can tell re: Renholder, he's all but fucking disappeared off the face of the earth after 2009 or so. It's very upsetting to me because I love so many things he's been a part of and he is such a goddamn killer producer. He used to be very active on Twitter and was always being wacky and hilarious and super cool. The last thing I remember is his dog dying and him not taking it very well. I may also be mis-remembering the timing of this.
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Fair enough, but Eat The Elephant doesn’t really progress as a song. And don’t get me wrong- it’s a solid tune. The Package eventually goes somewhere (I’m no fan of that song anyways).
Also agreed with the Josh Freese situation, that’s how I read it and nothing was made official other than a tweet from Josh saying he’s permanently left the band . Maynard also made some remark some months prior about an APC member thinking one can come and go as they pleased. Pretty sure Josh Freese thought he could get back in the band after his Weezer commitment was done, only to get shat on.
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That's two reviews I've read that spend half their time taking potshots at silly old man Maynard and his tired, played-out criticisms of corrupt Republican governments. And how dare he tell kids what to do with their time and phones and lahdeblahdeblah because clearly he's only talking down to children and not adults right? Also the music's not that good, here's a line about one song to give the impression we were listening.
I don't think you can shit on dangerously unfit dipshit elected officials enough and the fact that this is now considered blase and uninteresting is fucking terrifying to me.
Mer De Noms was Nu-Metal? Lol fuck off.
I'd be interested in hearing unfavorable perspectives about the album for people who actually don't give a shit one way or another about his politics, honestly.
Meanwhile I still can't fucking listen to this thing front to back, but conversely I never ever expected an overly heavy album out of these guys after Emotive ( which to me this feels like a really logical step from) and the Failure cover and The Stranger and Vanishing or Orestes and 3 Libras...I mean, shit, this was never a metal band, it's an alternative rock band with a few especially heavy songs and I'm wondering if anticipation for a heavy-as-fuck Tool album isn't kinda bleeding into this thing's reception.
Still a 7/10 from me though after all's said and done. I feel like people are shitting on it for the wrong reasons. Me, I just can't fucking stand the track order .
Anyway what's this about musical differences on the vinyl version again?
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First comment, by David John Lanier:I don't think so, the comments section nailed it tho
1st off, Maynard doesn't create Tool's music, he just sings. Adam Jones and Justin Chancellor write Tool's music.
Wow, unless the comment poster forgot--a Danny slam much?
I digress, a fellow drummer's tangent, I am drunk, but that shit always amazes me when it comes up so wrongly. In Tool's case especially, Danny absolutely doesn't show up to already fully written/structured songs by Adam and Justin.
On the side of Maynard's role in Tool though, I think it's really something if he doesn't in fact have any pull on the structuring of songs, during and/or after being presented demos from the rest of the band. It really makes me think over how much or how little influence Maynard has in the final form of the musical backdrop, as in how the rest of the band treats the process without him but knowing he’ll be stepping in later. I suppose it could be looked at as a good thing in its limitations, or not... I also wonder of how the Tool songwriting process has changed over the years, since Maynard has branched off into other projects going on two decades now. I have to figure that in the early days Maynard was far more present, maybe even routinely, during the songwriting, and that changed the shaping of the music in the moment.
Did I read that correctly - you aren't hip with "The Package"?
Back to "Eat The Elephant", the title track. It's weird--I wouldn't have thought of it as anything on the side of "long", if people weren't describing it as such. It's just not a good opener for this collection of songs. I'd like to know who put the final sequence of this album together. I feel the urge to put my own version together...mmm...yes. May report back with that. I wonder if there were any ETE leftovers.
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I have theory that Josh probably asked for more money and Maynard and Billy probably balked at the request. I am sure Jeff is cheaper than Josh.
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Any guesses what DLB stands for? I found this on Genius.com and while I assume it's pure speculation on their part, I find their interpretation also makes a lot of sense:
The abbreviation stands for Don’t Look Back, and separates the first eight songs on the album, which identify the problems Maynard has witnessed in our society, and the final three which speak about solutions. In accordance with the first track about starting a large project, and the last song which talks about getting rid of dead weight (also a function in “Feathers”) and getting to work.
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For 14 years we had people bitching about 13th Step and Emotive and Puscifer and they are still here saying shit about the new album, entitled to have something heavier, à la Mer de Noms and Aenima. Why am I still pissed at them??
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