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When is this all going to end? I know the answer which is never. There's too much money involved. It makes me sad. In my younger years I was hoping we would advance as a society & put stuff like this in the rearview mirror. I won't live to see it happen as the hour glass is running out more so than most people. Whenever some gun nut gets in my face (used to happen a lot at work) all I would say is "dead babies in New Town". That usually shut them up for awhile. I used to be live & let live but I got more militant after New Town. The psychic pain from that one continues to this day. I feel so bad for the parents that have to live the rest of their lives with that. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.Originally Posted by BRoswell
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All you have to do is have a maddening conversation with a gun nut of above-average intelligence to know this is never going to stop. The pro-gun argument is mired in semantics and intentional obfuscation. By the time you actually drag the discussion around to the topic at hand, the goal posts have already been moved several times before they were shoved up your ass, and you were too annoyed to even notice.
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There is ZERO reasoning with gun nuts. Even in the face of Sandy Hook and Marjory Stoneman Douglas and every other school shooting.
Their response is always: “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.”
We have always been a very violent country. And it’s only going to get worse.
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"It's too early to talk about gun laws in situations like these." - Countless politicians. OK, let's discuss it more in situations like Columbine, or Virginia Tech, or Sandy Hook. Or is it too early for those, too, still?
Don't gun sales usually go up after these tragedies as well? We have a gun range in town here that seems people lust over. It's pretty sick...
I was nobody. Nothing.
What is it that you want, though?
I'm down for background checks and such, sure. And it'd be nice to limit battlefield weapons.
But when people start talking about limiting access to guns for average citizens? HELL no.
80-90% of gun crimes are committed with illegally owned/obtained guns.
What am i to do if someone runs up in our house? Kung Fu?
We've got guns.
We're leftists with guns, over here.
Edit: and i REALLY don't care about guns. I'm not a "gun nut." I've never fired a handgun.
But i goddamn sure know where the shotgun is, and how to use it. I've known that for 32 years.
Last edited by elevenism; 05-14-2022 at 09:55 PM.
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I have two handguns. A Ruger .22 revolver and a Ruger GP100 .357 Magnum. I have a FOID card, since 1987. I’m really good at shooting. I’ve been target shooting for 35 years.
I’ve been target shooting with a bunch a liberals. Who have lots of guns. GLOCKS and Desert Eagles and AK-47s and all KINDS of guns. Liberal as fuck. Biggest computer nerds in history.
What do I want?
Shut down Armslist. Federal background check in all states. I willingly subject myself to training and a waiting list and background checks. Because that’s the way it should be, to try to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn’t have guns. I also believe in a FEDERAL law limiting the size of magazines to TWELVE. And I believe each state should invoke Federal laws after 2 strikes for crimes involving guns.
But, we are a REPUBLIC. This means that each state has its own constitution. And its own gun laws. State laws are generally far more powerful than federal. By design. Our founding fathers intended the federal government to have limited control. People forget that this is often a mental health issue. Or a security issue.
Ever notice that mass shootings NEVER happen in urban schools? Because urban schools have metal detectors and security. Suburban and rural schools are too worried about “mah freedoms.”
I wanna get my Concealed Carry License. So do many of my women friends. My sister in law has one, carries a small 9 mm semi auto in Michigan. But there’s a problem: No reciprocity in other states. And venues that ban CCLs. So bad guys with guns travel wherever they want; but legal, licensed gun holders are hindered or barred.
If I have a CCL and want to carry downtown, there have been nearly 400 armed carjackings in Chicago in the last year. You think any of those criminals legally carry? No. But I can’t, because the venue where I’m going has a sign on the door barring guns. Even legally carried guns. The guy who bursts in illegally? Whatever. We are at his mercy. If I had MY gun? I’d shoot the fucker dead. Legally. But I can’t carry my gun.
All the gun laws in the world won’t stop all this shooting, just like all the abortion laws in the world won’t stop abortion.
We can allow guns in the hands of the good guys (who can perhaps protect us from the bad guys). But, disarm people? You can PRINT a ghost gun via a 3D printer. Disarming Americans is about as realistic as banning abortion.
People with standing Orders of Protection against them in Illinois have their FOID cards suspended so they can’t buy a gun or ammo in Illinois; BUT, they can buy guns and ammo on Armslist from a private seller and then go shoot and kill their spouse. And THIS HAS HAPPENED. Also, gang members with felony records regularly use Armslist to buy guns from private sellers; one was used to kill a Chicago Police Sargent.
2A people don’t care; they won’t budge, AT ALL. EVER.
So maybe we need to wake up and start putting metal detectors everywhere. Everywhere.
I just got back from “Stars on Ice” at the United Center. My purse had to be a very small size, searched, and we all had to go through metal detectors. For a show featuring Olympic figure skaters. And that’s okay.
Edit: but it wouldn’t have helped in Buffalo
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These gun owner arguments centered on the notion that gun laws are useless because mass shooters won't follow these laws are ridiculous. So, by that line of thinking, I guess you think we should have no laws? Make rape legal since rapists won't follow the law, etc.? Using that theory, you cannot cherry-pick which laws won't be followed: It's really all or nothing. So are you going to simply state we should have no laws based on the notion that criminals don't follow the law?
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Exactly.
Every law is therefore useless or a slippery slope, to them.
Also, ever notice that they NEVER come to the defense of BLACK PEOPLE legally owning guns?!? EVER???
EVERY case of a cop killing a black person even IN THEIR OWN HOME who legally owned a gun “must have been because that person was doing something wrong.”
White people? VIOLATION OF THEIR RIGHT TO 2A!!!
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So, the Buffalo shooting, per reports:
Shooter guy was wearing head-to-toe body armor, including helmet.
Retired police sargent was working security at the door, armed.
Shooter guy shoots and kills at least 3 people in the parking lot, then walks in and starts picking off black people and spewing racist filth.
Armed security shoots guy in the chest, but shooter guy is wearing that body armor. Guy shoots and kills security.
Shooter eventually removes his body armor, put down his AR-15 and turns himself in to cops.
Police and DoJ have deemed this a hate crime.
The shooter live-streamed the shooting. He’s 18, and traveled from hours away to the predominantly black area in Buffalo, NY just to kill black people.
He had a manifesto.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/05/15/u...day/index.html
New York Gov. Kathy Hochul said the AR-15 used in the shooting was purchased legally in a gun store in New York state but was illegally modified with a high-capacity magazine.
"What has made this so lethal, and so devastating for this community, was the high-capacity magazine that would have had to have been purchased elsewhere, that's not legal in the state of New York," she said.
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Cops should have done something right for once and pulled the trigger.
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Report I linked said he (shooter) actually took off his body armor and put down his gun.
Had the shooter been a BLACK GUY, I suspect the cops would have pumped him full of lead.
In this case, they probably took him for lunch at Burger King.
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Someone's friend was invited to his discord server where he is trying to buy and sell armor, and even has posts of him planning it out months in advance. They sent the posts to the FBI, but it is so haunting reading the things he was posting. He also has racist words painted on the shaft of his gun...
In the video, he finds someone cowering on the floor and he actually says sorry to them and that is when the video cuts out shortly after... The person was white apparently that he spared.
What gets me the most is, you find someone that just shot up a supermarket, and they are patting him down as he stands there like he stole a fucking candy bar.
This will never end. Guns are so embedded into the bedrock of this society, I'm surprised a gun isn't on the flag somewhere.
Edit: Apparently, Virginia Sorenson’s name was reportedly written on the shooters gun from the Waukesha parade massacre. There are plenty of photos at this point.
Last edited by Self.Destructive.Pattern; Yesterday at 03:52 PM.
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I'm talking about sensible reform, and coming at a very serious issue and addressing it as such with cutting the cute bullshit, semantics, and coy nonsense out of the equation. I feel like owning a rifle or a handgun or two is fine; depending on situation it could be considered common sense to have some high powered self defense.
But nobody needs an arsenal that could supply an army with stuff that looks like it belongs on a battlefield or in a video game. Nobody needs 50 thousand rounds of ammunition. If you're going to get a gun you should be psychologically evaluated. But the gun lobby views any reform as a slippery slope, or at least they project that perception to their constituents. That's why they dragged their feet on getting rid of bumper stocks that basically turn a semi-auto into a fully-auto.
And at this point, can we please tell the impassioned "hobbyists" to shut up already? We get it. You think guns are fun. We'll address your concerns later, FFS
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Not even 24 hours later: Authorities: 1 killed, 4 hurt in California church shooting (Laguna Hills apparently).
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...A1VKm-Ln4ZgtJQ
Update: A Taiwanese congregation was in the church at the time of the shooting, said Undersheriff Jeff Hallock.
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Is it sad, that when I see these headlines these days I just think "at this point, this isn't even news anymore".
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We've become desensitized to how normal it's all become, it's like hearing about a traffic collision or some petty theft at this point.
It's like "oh.. really? is that the worst thing that's happened today? pfft... that's small potatoes!"
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