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    Oh totally, I was just commenting on the irony that he feels that being sentenced is the worst day of his life. Not the shooting but being held accountable for the shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweeterthan View Post
    my comment isn’t meant to detract from their obviously heinous racist views. it’s about the decision they made. they did this to Arbery but they also did it to themselves. it was conscious and deliberate. the punishment fits the crime. permanent participants in a system they thought Ahmaud Arbery should be a part of.
    Amen. They're also a part of a big system of 100s of years of horrible, disgusting racism that still exists today, as exhibited by these three pieces of shit, and their defense attorneys.

    The BIGGEST part of this trial, that I will NEVER get out of my head, is this defense attorney's DISGUSTING and RACIST closing argument. I pray that we start seeing more and more of these heinous racist evil people brought to justice.

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    There’s a hostage situation in Colleyville Texas right now.

    Horrific.


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    Who's got money on the guy getting arrested peacefully?

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegate View Post
    Who's got money on the guy getting arrested peacefully?
    Reporters on MSNBC who were on the scene and heard guy talking with SWAT said guy:

    * Told SWAT he wasn’t leaving alive
    * Asked SWAT if he could talk with his sister

    This ain’t good

    Guy said he has bombs and guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegate View Post
    Who's got money on the guy getting arrested peacefully?
    fingers crossed

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    Reporters on MSNBC who were on the scene and heard guy talking with SWAT said guy:

    * Told SWAT he wasn’t leaving alive
    * Asked SWAT if he could talk with his sister

    This ain’t good

    Guy said he has bombs and guns.
    Sister is apparently "Lady Al Qaeda," who's been in prison since 2010, and this dude is demanding her release. (according to CBSN.)
    I highly doubt that shit's gonna happen.

    FBI and ATF on the scene.

    Edit: CNN just said that this particular Rabbi has been involved in reaching out to the Muslim community in that area, and participating in interfaith services.

    At least there were only four people there. It's a cold comfort, but if it weren't for covid, it could be a hell of a lot worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    Sister is apparently "Lady Al Qaeda," who's been in prison since 2010, and this dude is demanding her release. (according to CBSN.)
    I highly doubt that shit's gonna happen.

    FBI and ATF on the scene.

    Edit: CNN just said that this particular Rabbi has been involved in reaching out to the Muslim community in that area, and participating in interfaith services.

    At least there were only four people there. It's a cold comfort, but if it weren't for covid, it could be a hell of a lot worse.
    I heard there was a full Shabbat service? But maybe most people left before he got in there?

    Thank G-d.

    Edit: Ah I see the Shabbat service was being live-streamed.
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    Hostages are safe and free.


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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    I heard there was a full Shabbat service? But maybe most people left before he got in there?

    Thank G-d.

    Edit: Ah I see the Shabbat service was being live-streamed.
    I caught about 8 minutes of the stream.

    Dude was yelling in Arabic and SOME English.

    And I'm still not understanding if the imprisoned woman is LITERALLY his sister; at this point, the FBI isn't even mentioning that motive or confirming the suspect's identity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    I caught about 8 minutes of the stream.

    Dude was yelling in Arabic and SOME English.

    And I'm still not understanding if the imprisoned woman is LITERALLY his sister; at this point, the FBI isn't even mentioning that motive or confirming the suspect's identity.
    From WaPo, just now;

    The man who took a rabbi and other people hostage at a Dallas-area synagogue Saturday night in an hours-long standoff with law enforcement has been identified as 44-year-old British citizen Malik Faisal Akram, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.


    Matthew DeSarno, the FBI special agent in charge of the Dallas field office, confirmed the identity of the Colleyville, Tex., hostage-taker in a statement sent to The Washington Post on Sunday. Authorities previously said the suspect had died.
“At this time, there is no indication that other individuals are involved,” the statement said.

    […]

    A law enforcement official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the investigation said the man’s motive for taking hostages appeared to be his anger over the U.S. imprisonment of Aafia Siddiqui, a Pakistani woman being held in federal prison in Fort Worth for trying to kill U.S. soldiers. Siddiqui was convicted on terrorism charges in 2010 and sentenced to 86 years in prison after opening fire on Americans.

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    I actually just caught that in my Dallas Morning News email @allegro .

    Some initial reports speculated that the suspect was Siddiqui's ACTUAL brother, and gave his name.

    I'd sue if that were me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    I actually just caught that in my Dallas Morning News email @allegro .

    Some initial reports speculated that the suspect was Siddiqui's ACTUAL brother, and gave his name.

    I'd sue if that were me.
    Wouldn’t make it in court. The terrorist dude was calling the other terrorist his “sister.” Journalists were going by the only info they had, which wasn’t malicious in intent. Intent means everything. The only person the actual brother could sue is the dead guy. But he likely meant “sister of Islam” and not actual sister.

    This just shows how litigious Americans are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegro View Post
    Wouldn’t make it in court. The terrorist dude was calling the other terrorist his “sister.” Journalists were going by the only info they had, which wasn’t malicious in intent. Intent means everything. The only person the actual brother could sue is the dead guy. But he likely meant “sister of Islam” and not actual sister.

    This just shows how litigious Americans are.
    Couldn't you claim defamation, though, regardless of intent?

    I remember some years ago, there was a "docuseries" version of a book on Jonbenet Ramsey that suggested her brother killed her.

    And he sued the pants off of CBS or NBC or whoever it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    Couldn't you claim defamation, though, regardless of intent?

    I remember some years ago, there was a "docuseries" version of a book on Jonbenet Ramsey that suggested her brother killed her.

    And he sued the pants off of CBS or NBC or whoever it was.
    In the case from yesterday, the terrorist told authorities on a live feed (where journalists could hear) that the chick in prison was his sister. At the time of publication of the information, it was thought to be fact based on the terrorist’s own statements. So journalists investigated who the “brother” would be, since the FBI and ATF weren’t giving up any info. Again, this was based on “facts” provided by the terrorist. So, the one committing defamation was the dead terrorist (alleging himself to be the brother of the chick in prison).

    FWIW, LIN WOOD represented Burke Ramsey vs. CBS regarding a docuseries that focused specifically on Burke, and the case was settled. But nobody knows for how much. It’s pretty difficult to prove defamation. But in the Burke Ramsey case, CBS would have to provide facts. Their facts were mostly of the “crime as entertainment” nature.

    The case yesterday provided facts as if they were actual reliable facts from the person committing the act, and there was no reason, at the time, to believe that he was lying when he also believed he was going to die (there’s Federal Rules of evidence that covers this).
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    ah, I see, @allegro .

    I remember the series was based on a book that sort of danced around the idea the it was Burke, and then the show stated it outright. And I remember Burke getting the settlement

    But I certainly don't know the legal intricacies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elevenism View Post
    and then the show stated it outright. And I remember Burke getting the settlement
    Yeah see THAT'S where they probably fucked up, ya know? If they'd equivocated a lot, like without coming right out and saying "YEAH, ALL SIGNED POINT TO BURKE!" like some kinda Perry Mason bullshit, then they wouldn't have been settling the case.

    I mean, there's ways to dance around it in an entertaining way without pointing right at Burke, making it look more like an OPINION then THIS IS FACT.
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