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    According to that expert fella guns """"just"""" increases fatality rates, but not the number of acts themselves. So yeah, I definitely agree that it's a huge problem, but the casualty rate and the occurence of these events are different beasts entirely.

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    It's interesting to me that people are comfortable citing "mental issues" yet the way men are socialized differently is long acknowledged within actual psychology. See: the fact that the vast majority of narcissists are men, etc. Genders are socialized differently. Toxic masculinity is absolutely one of the main if not *the* main contributing factor to these crimes as a whole and and is far more credible than strawmanning "but mental illness" in there. We have to start socializing young men, particularly young white men, differently.

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    It's off-topic, but I'll bite. How do you imagine socializing young men differently?

    The way I see it, you can only influence parents and teachers; I'd like to add media to the list, but you can't change that - if romanticizing mass shooters,encouraging "alpha male" and "stupid-sexy girl"-like behavior is what's profitable, they will continue to do so. Once the kids are "out there", they are on their own. You can't artificially influence which young men will become popular and well-liked in their class, and which ones will get bullied. You can't artificially change the fact that young men will be spending their free time doing sports like soccer with their boy friends, and girls will be absent, and you can't artificially change the dynamic of courtship between young people. I find it a rather low blow to throw toxic masculinity around, when its the result of all those thousands of years of human civilization. Genders are held to different standards and face different problems and hardships as they mature; it's not "fair", but I'd rather spend time and resources on giving better opportunities to these people to understand this (and that they are, or at least could be normal), than to make an attempt to artificially interfere in one's gender identity. The latter can also result in some serious imbalance (ie. you can daydream about how men should be, but the average women might not be attracted to that), resulting in even more emotional stress and confusion.

    Right now, if you are kid who is being treated like shit at home and being bullied at school, your best bet is hoping that there will be sufficient medication to your inevitable mental problems once you reach a mature age. That's bollocks, and until it's not solved, telling young men that "oohh honey, you are just another victim of your gender, better luck next time " is just oil to the fire. Is it in the UK where you can just walk into the police station, confess you are a pedophile and get proper treatment instead of being handcuffed and imprisoned? I know there's a country where it goes like this, and it helps.

    It would be a great start if people with mental issues (yes, these are real and treatable conditions, even if you are rolling your eyes) would know for sure, that there are "official" (I meant to say people with authority, don't know the proper word) people whom they can confess ANYTHING, without throwing their life away. You go in, you tell them you are seriously considering murdering your mates because you feel that the walls are closing in, and no one is on your side, and you would get help. Sure, it sounds like wishful thinking, and maybe it's an impossible scenario, but there has to be ways to improve the methods we tackle these issues with.

    Can't add much to the gun laws argument, as I'm not from the US, so I could just repeat the same "your country is very strange to me..." mantra that helps no-one. But I say this: as much as I (and everyone with a brain) agree with making stricter laws as to how and when you can acquire assault rifles, it's still not the heart of the problem. To me, circlejerking about gun and them being evil is just as bad as the media making rockstar from shooters. Yeah, it's bollocks that they had those kind of weapons, but for Christ sake, if only you would be half as enthusiastic to tackle the problems which causes people wanting to murder others, that would be great.

    I bet there are parents out there who neglect their children to the point of (indirectly) causing them permanent damages, but go to every anti-gun rally and think they are being the voice of change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volband View Post
    It's off-topic, but I'll bite. How do you imagine socializing young men differently?
    It's only off topic if you don't view it as a primary contributor to the issue of gun violence and mass killings. I'm going to link you to things that are detailed and extensive. I'm not going to summarize something here, because that is a lot of work for no reason when the articles are great and there has been a lot of thought around this topic by very qualified people. Read them if you want.

    https://qz.com/1095247/the-sociologi...-gun-violence/

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e-dean-windass

    https://www.wired.com/story/the-stru...c-masculinity/

    than to make an attempt to artificially interfere in one's gender identity. The latter can also result in some serious imbalance (ie. you can daydream about how men should be, but the average women might not be attracted to that), resulting in even more emotional stress and confusion.
    I don't think any reasonable person is advocating for or suggesting this?

    Right now, if you are kid who is being treated like shit at home and being bullied at school, your best bet is hoping that there will be sufficient medication to your inevitable mental problems once you reach a mature age. That's bollocks, and until it's not solved, telling young men that "oohh honey, you are just another victim of your gender, better luck next time " is just oil to the fire.
    Do you like... what... who is saying that... Look, I want to assume you mean well, but that's an absurd comparison to draw.

    It would be a great start if people with mental issues (yes, these are real and treatable conditions, even if you are rolling your eyes) would know for sure
    What mental issues do you think pre-dispose someone to commit a mass killing? I absolutely agree that we should have better mental health care that doesn't condemn people seeking help and makes that accessible, but I am not sure how much you actually know about this topic.

    Can't add much to the gun laws argument, as I'm not from the US, so I could just repeat the same "your country is very strange to me..." mantra that helps no-one. But I say this: as much as I (and everyone with a brain) agree with making stricter laws as to how and when you can acquire assault rifles, it's still not the heart of the problem. To me, circlejerking about gun and them being evil is just as bad as the media making rockstar from shooters. Yeah, it's bollocks that they had those kind of weapons, but for Christ sake, if only you would be half as enthusiastic to tackle the problems which causes people wanting to murder others, that would be great.
    Totally. And one of the primary risk factors for committing a mass killing is being a white man. We have to change how we are socializing young men and boys. How so? See above.

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    Damn ,the new South Park episode was pretty dope. I wonder if their episode will reach aself-fulfilling prophecy, making people outraged about the episode itself.

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    Mass shooting at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand. Multiple shooters reported, four suspects currently in custody. At least one of them live-streamed the whole thing on Facebook. Different reports on how many dead at the moment. Apparently one of the shooters left a manifesto on 4chan which is being circulated. Truly a fucked up situation.

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    Fucking hell!

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    its one of the most intense surreal horrific video i have ever seen, I literally watched a video of 50 people get murdered im not morbid or anything, but it was on twitter widely about 4 hours ago I think its blocked now, I literally started shaking when I was watching it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exocet View Post
    its one of the most intense surreal horrific video i have ever seen, I literally watched a video of 50 people get murdered im not morbid or anything, but it was on twitter widely about 4 hours ago I think its blocked now, I literally started shaking when I was watching it
    fucksake. I just woke up a couple of hours ago. The news report brought tears to my eyes.
    JESUS.
    What in the FUCK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exocet View Post
    its one of the most intense surreal horrific video i have ever seen, I literally watched a video of 50 people get murdered im not morbid or anything, but it was on twitter widely about 4 hours ago I think its blocked now, I literally started shaking when I was watching it
    Not directed just at you, but I'll take this moment to say that if anyone shares videos of the shooting, you will be banned forever. I don't care if you've been here for 15 years or 15 minutes.

    Thanks.

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    Reports are starting to trickle in, apparently the guy that live streamed was an active member of 8Chan (this fucking site again!) where he not only outlined his plan but was met with celebration from it's other users...AND NOBODY THOUGHT TO MAYBE HAVE SOMEONE KEEPING TABS ON THIS SITE? I mean they've been found to be hosting CP and all manner of fucking awful shit since it was created in 2013, how isn't it being watched already?!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltrandazzo View Post
    Not directed just at you, but I'll take this moment to say that if anyone shares videos of the shooting, you will be banned forever. I don't care if you've been here for 15 years or 15 minutes.

    Thanks.
    I wish i could do this in my office, one of the guys (and to be honest he is an alright bloke, a bit high maintenance but a good guy) and he has the video downloaded on his phone so he can show everyone, i've already had to turn him away several times, I DON'T WANT TO WATCH IT, STOP PUSHING YOUR PHONE INTO MY FACE FFS.
    I get some people will want to see it, if not to just re affirm their anger for it, but i don't want to feed into this guy's plan...he WANTS us to watch what he did, ALL OF US!

    ...fuck i just want to go home already and hide all weekend, the worlds just a horrible horrible place right now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haysey View Post
    I wish i could do this in my office, one of the guys (and to be honest he is an alright bloke, a bit high maintenance but a good guy) and he has the video downloaded on his phone so he can show everyone, i've already had to turn him away several times, I DON'T WANT TO WATCH IT, STOP PUSHING YOUR PHONE INTO MY FACE FFS.
    I get some people will want to see it, if not to just re affirm their anger for it, but i don't want to feed into this guy's plan...he WANTS us to watch what he did, ALL OF US!

    ...fuck i just want to go home already and hide all weekend, the worlds just a horrible horrible place right now!
    That's something you should escalate to your lead/manager right away. Alright guy or not, not appropriate in the workplace.

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    Fuck terrorism. We live in a very fucked up world.

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    Anyone who actively WANTS (not by accident) to see this shit is just viewing this evil shit like PORN. It’s murder. MURDER. It’s not entertainment. Anyone who wants to watch it is a sociopath. Anyone who is trying to FORCE others to watch this is guilty of a hate crime, IMHO.

    That guy at work is not “alright.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat Mom View Post
    Anyone who actively WANTS (not by accident) to see this shit is just viewing this evil shit like PORN. It’s murder. MURDER. It’s not entertainment. Anyone who wants to watch it is a sociopath. Anyone who is trying to FORCE others to watch this is guilty of a hate crime, IMHO.

    That guy at work is not “alright.”
    Or, you know, morbid curiosity. It's as close as you can get to understand death and evil without actually falling prey to it.

    Showing it around for others, even just at a casual gathering is not okay however. It is an awful lot to handle, and some people would even get sick from watching cctv footage of a hit and run.

    Edit: and to be clear, asking around for links in normal boards like here is in bad taste and should be punished. No arguing there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volband View Post
    Or, you know, morbid curiosity. It's as close as you can get to understand death and evil without actually falling prey to it.

    Showing it around for others, even just at a casual gathering is not okay however. It is an awful lot to handle, and some people would even get sick from watching cctv footage of a hit and run.
    I understand morbid curiosity. I’ve been known to view morgue photos and reports. I worked at a funeral home. But this is the murderer’s own video of the murder of 49 people. Wtf. And viewing it repeatedly? That’s crossed over into sociopath. He needs help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat Mom View Post
    Anyone who actively WANTS (not by accident) to see this shit is just viewing this evil shit like PORN. It’s murder. MURDER. It’s not entertainment. Anyone who wants to watch it is a sociopath. Anyone who is trying to FORCE others to watch this is guilty of a hate crime, IMHO.

    That guy at work is not “alright.”
    I will admit that I've watched a lot of horrible things out of morbid curiosity. Some of the things I've seen have made me really regret it. I'm not a sociopath.

    And no, I don't want to see any videos of this. I feel like I've "learned my lesson" there already in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    I will admit that I've watched a lot of horrible things out of morbid curiosity. Some of the things I've seen have made me really regret it. I'm not a sociopath.

    And no, I don't want to see any videos of this. I feel like I've "learned my lesson" there already in the past.
    I knew in advance that watching something like a beheading would never get out of my head, so I refused to watch; I can’t get over seeing an INJURED PUPPY. For me, there’s a thin line between “morbid curiosity” and “masochism.” So I err on the side of self-protection.

    My husband won’t even watch “Dr. Pimple Popper.” LOL. I’ve watched surgeries in person, doesn’t bother me.

    I can tell a bunch of interesting facts about crematoriums, btw. Worked at one. /drift
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    I will admit that I've watched a lot of horrible things out of morbid curiosity. Some of the things I've seen have made me really regret it. I'm not a sociopath.

    And no, I don't want to see any videos of this. I feel like I've "learned my lesson" there already in the past.
    I hear you. Same boat.

    I've had to talk to my kids and warn them to be careful not to watch any videos that may be sent their way today.

    My daughter is 14. This seems like the kind of thing some stupid 14yo edgelord would sent to everyone they can just because they're too stupid to recognize the reality.

    This is horrifying.

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    Anyway, those poor people Shot at peaceful places of worship. This is so awful.

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    I stopped watching these types of videos years ago, was never really into to begin with, after I spent far too much time digging one up. Having said that a buddy added me to a meme page a while back (ive left since) and earlier this topic came up. I did watch the whole thing. Found it profoundly disturbing to put it mildly. What was worse is how these people were literally yucking it up, like who had the best flippant comment. I'm going back to my previous position of not viewing this sort of thing. It poisons the brain. I don't think the numbing effect is the only issue with this sort of thing. I'm no psychologist but it has to have more adverse consequences than indifference. The whole situation is so very sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ickyvicky View Post
    The mere fact that this made me think you meant there was another shooting today, and not just posting about yesterday's, says something really dark about this country.

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    My two nephews were in the Sandy Hook school shooting, both thankfully survived, but it still haunts us every day. Every time we hear about another one happening, our hearts sink.
    My husband is also a teacher at a Middle School, and every day I pray this doesn't happen again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ickyvicky View Post
    My two nephews were in the Sandy Hook school shooting, both thankfully survived, but it still haunts us every day. Every time we hear about another one happening, our hearts sink.
    My husband is also a teacher at a Middle School, and every day I pray this doesn't happen again.
    You posting this is to close to home for me. My son was two months old when it happened. We have more protection for the unborn than for our living children.

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    If I had children now, I’d home school. This shit is psychologically damaging, even if there aren’t any shootings at your school. The kids are having nightmares. The prep is necessary, but it’s traumatizing.

    That boy in Colorado acted quickly and SAVED all his classmates, and he died. He’s a hero, but at such a terrible cost. And the shooters are teenagers.
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    Speaking of children, 9 year old murders his mother with a rifle

    There are an awful lot of questions currently in the air on this one, not the least of which is WHY THE FUCK DID HE HAVE ACCESS TO A RIFLE?!

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    Adoptive mother. Holy cow, that’s all so sad.

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