Likes: 
Faceplams: So so heartbreaking.
I guess a few survivors are in the hospital?
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So so heartbreaking.
I guess a few survivors are in the hospital?
Last edited by allegro; 12-17-2012 at 12:21 PM.
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^^ Bravo. Well said, Mr. Macdonald.
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The https://twitter.com/DearShirley account was taken over by Anonymous.
A significant number of members from the WBC have seen their personal info leaked online, including home address.
tempus est umbra in mente
wait.... Anon is pushing to have Westboro Baptist's tax exempt status revoked?
THE WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH IS ACTUALLY GRANTED TAX EXEMPTION AND IS RECOGNIZED AS A "CHURCH?!"
are you fucking kidding me???
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^^isn't the WBC like one big inbred family under the rule of Fred Phelps ? I seem to recall that on some Louis Theroux documentary but maybe I'm getting it wrong
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Interesting response to that "I am Adam Lanza's mother" piece: http://theyouthrightsblog.blogspot.c...mother_16.html
Good piece about what the dems need to do: http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-pol...take-gun-lobby
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Followig up on that article i was talki g about yesterday, turns out that mother was way crazier than i even estimated...
http://sarahkendzior.com/2012/12/16/...read-her-blog/
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^^ I don't see anything really that crazy in what the mother has written? I mean people might say 'do this or i'll throttle you' - it's exaggeration, it's not meant to be taken literally
This 'youth rights' blogger seems a bit too much like the sort of person who thinks you should be 'befriend' your kids rather than parent them (although she has a point about privacy and it did come across like she was comparing her son to a mass murderer)Originally Posted by aggroculture
Last edited by WorzelG; 12-17-2012 at 04:12 PM.
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Anybody who's ever lived with a mentally ill person knows that sometimes it feels like it's "contagious" because it pushes everyone to the edge.
I've been reading stories about violent mentally ill children for many many years. The parents of these children are guided by professionals to set boundaries, and to take every threat of violence very seriously.
This article was written last May;
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/ma...&ref=magazine&
Last edited by allegro; 12-17-2012 at 09:33 PM.
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http://www.today.com/moms/i-am-adam-...help-1C7625059
The way she speaks in the video is bothersome - almost seems like she's reading cue-cards
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People are blaming Adam Lanza's mother and now they're pointing accusing fingers at this mother.
This doesn't seem like progress.
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Oh for fuck's sake...
tempus est umbra in mente
this is a minor blip on the radar here, but it irritated me a bit. You know when you see those "share to show support for the victims of the Sandy Hook massacre!" scammy sounding sort of thing you might see on facebook? Well it takes some really tiny balls to try to use that web traffic to get attention and hits for your shitty hip hop act
But while I'm here, and we're talking about mental illness and gun control... I think we all realize the situation isn't simple. Still, reading that blog post above from the perspective of a mother who was talking about her out-of-control child with obvious mental issues that veer towards violent and erratic behavior, there's an element missing. The author of that blog was worried and justifiably frantic. She recognized that there was a problem, even if she felt somewhat powerless to resolve it. Hell, you could even say that she was associating herself with this tragedy to bring attention to her comparatively insignificant situation, although I have a hard time believing the blog was truly that cynical, or that she expected it to go viral the way it did.
At the same time, with people pointing fingers at Lanza's mother, there is something to be said there. I have no problem with her being a gun enthusiast, even if that means she's into collecting guns that fall into the "holy shit" category. But if she noticed that her son was severely unstable, it could be considered an odd decision to train him to use this:
which she did.
Last edited by Jinsai; 12-17-2012 at 10:35 PM.
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I like how people post pictures of the rifle used as if it's self explanatory why the gun is "bad." Look at this gun guys, it's just so fucking SCARY, look at it!
What is so bad about the gun other than it scares you?
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High capacity magazines (drum mags with up to 100 rounds of high-velocity ammo) combined with semi-automatic rate of fire and the possibility of getting license for a SIMILAR gun that fires fully automatic, OR someone with the know-how deciding to alter their weapon to fire automatic.
And beyond that, the fact that someone can TAKE that gun from someone else (who may even be a responsible gun owner) by force- even though said gun owner may have said after the last shooting "IF ONLY THERE WERE A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER THERE!!!"- and using it... for its intended purpose, which is killing people.
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You know that semi-auto means one bullet each time you pull the trigger, right? That is exactly how the two handguns that he brought function. Yes, high-capacity mag is about the only tangible thing that justifies singling out that rifle. FYI - the kid had plenty of ammo left over when he was done, based on reports.
No, there is no license for a fully-auto weapon in CT. Hell, "assault weapons" are banned in CT. This thing was LEGAL under CT law. Even the most successful federal changes to gun control would be lucky to match CT law.
As for modding the gun... you could also mod his glock to be full auto with a tiny strip of metal. Again, there is nothing unique about that gun other than how it looks and the higher-capacity mags. Guns are not high-tech. People can build hardcore guns in a metal shop if they wanted to.
Last edited by DigitalChaos; 12-18-2012 at 12:35 AM.
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Forgot to mention... while the higher capacity mags is the only real tangible reason to single that gun out, the capacity really doesn't make a difference. As I said, the kid had plenty of mags unused. Many people forget that Columbine, for example, was done with the 10 round mags that are entirely legal under Feinstein's ban on high-cap mags.
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Don't talk down to me, I'm fully aware of how guns work.
You said "What is so bad about the gun other than it scares you".
I never said it scared me, are you talking about how it looks or its capabilities?
As to semi-auto:
I'm not sure where you're going with this argument... Hi-cap mags are readily available for pistols as well. FYI - is this for or against your point?That is exactly how the two handguns that he brought function. Yes, high-capacity mag is about the only tangible thing that justifies singling out that rifle. FYI - the kid had plenty of ammo left over when he was done, based on reports.
I still don't know what your argument is. People usually don't craft excellently machined and durable weapons in their basement unless they're repulsing the German army in Stalingrad. Are there any armies barking at America's door? Maybe Canada, but we just want to borrow some fair-trade flour...No, there is no license for a fully-auto weapon in CT. Hell, "assault weapons" are banned in CT. This thing was LEGAL under CT law. Even the most successful federal changes to gun control would be lucky to match CT law.
As for modding the gun... you could also mod his glock to be full auto with a tiny strip of metal. Again, there is nothing unique about that gun other than how it looks and the higher-capacity mags. Guns are not high-tech. People can build hardcore guns in a metal shop if they wanted to.
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Frankly, this is another time when it's bad form to be sucked into this argument.
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My point is everyone seems to single out the rifle and post pictures of it to make their point. You did the exact same thing. You are concerned that the mom showed him how to use the rifle and you include a picture to punctuate your message. "odd decision to train him to use this <picture>"
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I never added a picture of anything.
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Sorry, Jinsai posted it.
You replied to my post bitching about people posting pictures (like Jinsai just did). Did you miss that?
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I did, with a reason that we shouldn't fear the picture of a gun but with its capabilities. Did you miss that? Patronizing people goes both ways.
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To further emphasize my point. Here is a collection of people, in this thread, focusing on "assault" weapons, "automatic" weapons, etc.
Keep in mind, CT law already outlaws assault weapons. This rifle is legal and it is NOT an automatic.
Summary: freak the fuck out about the shooting and demand bans on shit we have no idea about.
The Enhancer
Great! Then let's educate people instead of ridiculing them!
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I don't have all the answers. I simply believe that people should have a solid foundation for whatever they are trying to make, especially when it involves creation of laws. I will call out bullshit when I see it, doesn't matter what side they are on. The right answer will come forward when all sides are standing on solid support.
PS that video does nothing to educate on the topic. A 9mm handgun will do more damage than that if you feed it similar ammo type.
The Enhancer
Fuck it,DigitalChaos, I'm gonna stop right now, and I'll ask you and everyone else to as well. One week. I'm asking for a one week moratorium on the gun control issue, both sides. Now is not the time for it.
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I can agree with that! Whatever your goal is, do it without the emotion and do it consistently... not just when something happens on the news. If it's an important problem then it will still be important in 1 week. Now if only the rest of the country could table this for a week
My bet is on the majority completely forgetting this with their 24-hour-news-cycle-damaged-brains.
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I sincerely hope you're wrong... Let's all get back on topic, yeah?
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