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Nope. That stuff is just a band-aid at this point. It's a distraction. Like I said, we need to get to the root of the problem. It's been staring us in the face this whole time, and until we stop playing games and get serious, it's going to continue to be an issue.Originally Posted by elevenism
One thing we definitely need to do is cut the NRA out of politics. They're a cancerous growth and need to be treated as such.
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Yeah, but the thing is, that's practically impossible.
It could be like, idk, a 10-20 year goal? Like something we could get done next time the left has a supermajority?
These Republican lawmakers run on their grades from the NRA.
They have, and will continue to receive millions and millions of dollars from the gun lobby.
And the NRA's stance is to prevent any and all meaningful action to address this issue.
In other words, we've got to vote these fuckers out of office...but I'm afraid that'll take awhile.
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Hey so this is at least SOME good news.
SIX OUT OF SEVEN musical acts who were set to perform as part of the NRA rally in houston, including Don McLean, and the singer of God Bless the USA, Lee Greenwood, have cancelled.
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they were gonna play the event before the shooting so whatever. i guess it’s good that they see the tragedy for what it is and recognize how tone deaf celebrating gun culture in the wake of the shooting is. congrats guys. bravo for having a semi decent thought.
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It's better than nothing.
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The NRA is over.
The police are over.
This is it.
They left those kids in there to defend themselves and die.
The parents - many assumedly armed - weren’t allowed to go shoot the gunman, save their kids.
A few cops DID go in and get OWN their kids out.
The “Pro Life” Republicans can’t wipe this stink off.
Truth: The NRA is running out of money, and cannot declare bankruptcy. It was also denied the ability to move its HQ to Texas to avoid its debts. Without the constant and consistent influx of cash from donors (which has been waning for decades), and with its constant and wasteful spending, the NRA is on life support and has very little time left.
This means its lobbying and lawsuit days are limited.
Trump was only involved in this convention because of Trump. The GOP was involved solely to line its own pockets.
Gun rights will still be important to a certain percentage of this country. But without the NRA, the voices will be scattered. Oddly enough, the only body that would be there to defend gun rights?
The ACLU.
Oh, how things come full circle.
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Jesus, that press conference was devastating.
Students still alive, at risk, suffering, asking for help via 911.
That info not dispatched to commander.
19 officers IN THE HALLWAY not moving because the police chief decided the shooter was barricaded.
But the shooter shot (and killed) students who called 911, shot many students during the time the police chief made the order to wait. The tactical BORTAK SWAT team sat there FORTY-FIVE MINUTES before entering the school.
Worse, a teacher had propped open a locked door to get a cell phone (TWICE) after the teacher heard shots fired outside; that’s how the shooter gained access.*
*EDIT: ALLEGEDLY!
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^^ @allegate - yup, pretty much.
That door? Reports are showing it has a window. Any gun shoots out the window; you reach in and open the door.
This Texas Ranger chief who did the press conference said that 19 local officers held back IN THE HALLWAY. That’s in the building, right?
The cops, the police chief, and the 911 dispatchers ain’t getting out of this. Nope.
It’s entirely possible that the teacher thought kids could ESCAPE out that door.
I wish the kids sitting around hiding for over 90 minutes could have gotten out the windows.
My husband read on Twitter that a few 911 dispatchers were telling kids who were whispering to SPEAK LOUDER.
Now word is that over 1600 rounds (of the gunman) were found at the scene?
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LEO/NRA/GOP rejoice as their savior red herring is revealed. Teachers get stuck with the shit end of every other stick, why not one more?
1,600?!!!????!?!??!?????! 7 @30 is what we first heard which is insane enough, he must have had a bag full of 30x magazines. He collected all of this in a week? Texas bar tenders are arrested and liable for overserving, make of that what you will.
"The suspect had purchased 1,657 rounds of ammunition and had 58 magazines at the school, McCraw said. He fired more than 100 rounds during his attack."
Catching up from the CNN video: Gunman shot out the window of the classroom door. There was a fucking window in the door and the cops couldn't get through until the keys arrived?
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We've seen a disgusting and shameful number of times that our police will routinely kill innocent, unarmed people because they see threats wherever they want to and prioritize their own safety and well being over everyone else's to a ludicrous degree. The police response to the Uvalde shooting shows, with horrifying clarity, just how far they place their own safety and well-being over the safety and well-being of the citizens they are allegedly supposed to be protecting. All the victims were killed in one room, the room the police left the shooter in as they waited in the hall, listening his gunshots as he butchered a roomful of children. They used more immediate physical force on the hysterical parents trying to save the lives of their children than they did on the shooter, pepper-spraying and cuffing the people in mortal terror who had the gall to tell them to do their fucking job, as they ensured their own safety by guaranteeing a room full of dead kids. The sociopathic callousness of their cowardice is staggering. Every opportunity they had to avert or even just mitigate this nightmare was intentionally squandered, because nothing was more important than their own safety.
These are the people who want our society to revere them and treat them as heroes, who want credit for being brave and selfless protectors of our community and yet whenever it's time to put up or shut up innocent people die because their most important objective is apparently getting home to their families. Fuck that. This is the conduct of miserable cowardly pigs, who inhale the lion's share of municipal budgets to protect and serve themselves more than anyone else. It has been obvious for some time but I struggle to imagine a more nakedly damning example of their commitment to their own self-preservation.
And yet somehow that piece of shit Tucker Carlson has been more critical of how the police handled the situation than Joe Biden, who wasted no time in kissing their ass. Blaming "defund the police" is one of the Dems' favorite excuses for their losses in the past few years, even though these losses were almost exclusively by candidates and officials who took pains to suck up to cops and distance themselves from anything resembling that kind of reform. And even now, in the aftermath of the starkest imaginable illustration of how ineffective cops are at protecting anything besides themselves, they keep licking their boots. Reminds me of last week when Amy Klobuchar tweeted about how they were designating it "National Police Week" to honor officers and noting that 576 officers died "in the line of duty" in 2021 - while not noting that the vast majority of those deaths, 444, were casualties from fucking Covid-19.
They demand gratitude and respect by inflating this idea that their job is so particularly dangerous. But there are a lot of jobs more dangerous than being a cop. In fact it should be clear by now that their main job is making sure they aren't in any danger, bystanders and schoolchildren be damned. The whole "Protect and Serve" bit is just a useful fantasy narrative for them. At this point we know who they really protect and serve.
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"Let's see: we've tried to blame doors and transgender people for this, but that doesn't seem to be working. Have we tried blaming Covid lockdowns yet?"
I can't wait for them to blame abortions and veganism next. That'll be fun.
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Melt them all down & use the material to make shelters for the homeless
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The NRA members? That's pretty grim, but I get it. It MIGHT work.
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Texas Gov Abbott says Chicago so dangerous.
https://www.live5news.com/2022/05/29...outputType=amp
https://www.foxnews.com/us/tennessee...oga-police.amp
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...hool-shootings
https://worldpopulationreview.com/st...eaths-by-state
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/ne...than-one-thirdHere are the 10 states with the highest rates of gun death, 2018:
1. Alaska (23 per 100,000 people)
2. Alabama (21.4 per 100,000 people)
3. Louisiana (21.2 per 100,000 people)
4. Mississippi (19.8 per 100,000 people)
5. Oklahoma (19.6 per 100,000 people)
6. Montana (19 per 100,000 people)
7. Missouri (18.8 per 100,000 people)
8. New Mexico (18.2 per 100,000 people)
9. Arkansas (17.7 per 100,000 people)
10. South Carolina (17.7 per 100,000 people)
The year 2020 also saw a record number of gun sales. The report cites research that found that nearly twice as many of these new guns showed up at crime scenes in 2020 than in 2019.
The report found wide variations among states. States with the highest gun death rates in 2020 were rural states in the South or West. Mississippi had the highest rate of gun deaths in 2020: 28.63 per 100,000 deaths, followed by Louisiana at 26.26 per 100,000, and Wyoming at 25.9 per 100,000. Conversely, Hawaii had the lowest gun death rate: 3.37 per 100,000, followed by Massachusetts at 3.74 per 100,000 deaths, and New Jersey at 5.03 per 100,000.
The researchers note that the states with the lowest gun death rates have stronger gun laws. Each of the five states with the lowest gun death rate had both the following gun laws in place in 2020: 1) a firearm purchaser licensing law or a waiting period; and 2) an Extreme Risk Protection Order law. Purchaser licensing laws require an individual to apply for and obtain a license before purchasing a firearm. Extreme Risk Protection Order laws are mechanisms to temporarily remove firearms from individuals at risk for suicide or violence against others.
Conversely, states that had the highest gun death rates in 2020 had stand-your-ground legislation, or laws that authorize individuals to use lethal force even in situations they might have otherwise been able to walk away from, and three of the five had permitless carry laws, which allow individuals to carry a concealed gun in public without a permit.
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The Democrats can (and I hate even typing these words in light of this horrible tragedy) use the momentum of this tragedy and keep it going to continue to push for the gun legislation they’ve been pushing since ‘04, when the last assault weapons ban expired.
This tragedy and cop crime has pissed off the proverbial soccer moms. That’s a HUGE voting bloc.
Progressives need to come up with a different term than “defund police.” Honestly, this has been discussed alllll over social media; to soccer moms and the general population, this means “no police, and anarchy.” They all think this is ridiculous and many many millions of voters are 100% against this. BLACK voters have expressed their anger at the idea of getting rid of police; black voters in bad neighborhoods in Chicago have loudly said they’re pissed off that they pay taxes and don’t get ANY police; they want MORE police, and if you listen to them, here, they want the Mayor to send WAY MORE community policing and funding to their neighborhoods. However, they also don’t want SHITTY POLICE. They don’t want CORRUPT police. They want 100% reform. And they believe they can get that, because they PAY for the police. And the term “reform” has never been good enough, true. But “defund” literally means “prevent from continuing to receive funds.” Which means eliminate, because no funds. So nobody will vote for that. So hello Republican rule until the end of time? Bad publicity strategy. Unless you like losing. Reallocate funds to several different specialties, yes. Absolutely. Demand accountability and transparency, hell yes. Independent review boards. Demand that police unions pay for settlements from cop misconduct suits, NOT taxpayers.
Effective gun legislation must go MUCH farther than background checks. People LIE on them; the feds fuck them up and people fly under the fed radar. That’s not “the” solution. It wouldn’t have helped, here. People need to stop repeating that. It doesn’t help.
We need to either totally ban all weapons designated as “assault” and/or require FEDERAL registration for those weapons (like we do now for some other weapons). We need to ban the purchase of multiple mags. We need to limit the number of rounds per mag. We need to FEDERALLY ban private sales. We need FEDERAL waiting period requirements. We need a FEDERAL law to increase the legal age to purchase any gun to 21. We need a FEDERAL extreme risk protection order law, and red-flag law, since states are too fucking stupid.
If all of this means AMENDING 2A (which - remember - was an AMENDMENT as part of the “Bill of Rights”), THEN LET’S DO THAT.
2A does not even protect HUNTING. It doesn’t protect you from your STATE government. It only RECENTLY was interpreted to protect you individually (Heller). It’s incredibly VAGUE. It doesn’t protect your ability to have deadly weapons at the expense of children. What happened to the “right to life?”
HUMAN BEINGS were beaten, raped, and bred as livestock for hundreds of years, here; our allegedly-beloved Constitution protected that activity, and saw black people as not human, not citizens, not worthy of any rights at all. Women, also not given any rights; not afforded the right to vote for 144 years.
The Constitution isn’t a sacred document; it’s crap. It’s just a legal document created by rich white men, for the benefit of rich white men.
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Wouldn’t have expected New Mexico on that list @allegro .
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We SHOULD have done all this shit a long, long time ago.
I grew up with friends showing me their ak's and ar's and uzi's: kids selling dope, or who just wanted to be hardcore. That was over 20 years ago.
Those guns have likely been sold, repeatedly, at this point.
I support everything you propose in your post, except, again, it's utterly impossible to have any sort of door to door confiscation in this country. I KNOW you said and/or.
Amending the second amendment: while it's a fine idea, I don't think we'll see that in OUR lifetimes.
Gun bullshit: there's too much right wing politics around it. It's insane.
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NOBODY is proposing door-to-door confiscation. I NEVER proposed that. I have friends and relatives who own these guns. I’ve held them, myself! They’re like a stupid toy, I don’t grok the fascination.
My BROTHER HAS AN AK!!
Confiscation wasn’t part of the ban in 1994!!
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...03hr4296rh.pdf
Read the fucking law!!
This doom and gloom “lie back and let them fuck us, there’s nothing we can do” is defeatist bullshit to which I do not subscribe.
The Senate has not had enough of a majority to make these changes, the Republicans are using this as a way to GET ELECTED as well as collect MILLIONS in donations.
It’s only now that many REPUBLICANS are again saying ENOUGH. Bipartisanship is what helped push the FIRST ban through.
REAGAN supported it!!
YOUNG PEOPLE are going to SAVE this country. They’ve had ENOUGH of this bullshit.
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Well, as much as I love Beto, he kind of proposed it.
94: Brady Bill?
I've kind of got a defeatist attitude with this shit.
YES, raise age to 21, federally. YES, federal background checks. YES, ban assault weapons (unless you can prove you need them to kill wild boars; this is an actual issue where I live).
HELL YES to red flag laws, and cool off periods.
Yes, get rid of high capacity magazines, and switches, and ghost guns.
(I wonder why Obama didn't do all of this in 08-2010? Let's think about that one).
Ultimately, this is just how this country is, though. We can enact all of these measures, (not that we WILL) and we won't see things get better anytime soon.
That's my fear.
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The Brady Bill was completely different, separate.
I linked the assault ban above, which was a subsection of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994.
Obama had 60 Senators for only 4 months.
There was NO way Congress would have passed anything like this during Obama. THE GOP HATED OBAMA.
Beto didn’t write a federal bill. Presidents can’t write or change legislation. The President is the Executive, Executes laws.
You can kill wild boars with a bow and arrow. G’s cousin ONLY bow-hunts, for deer etc. (he eats everything he kills, freezes everything, makes all kinds of stuff). Bow hunting requires ACTUAL SKILL. Pointing an AR and just blasting 30 .223 ammo in the general direction of your target requires zero skill.
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