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    Joy Division/New Order

    So New Order have reformed (without Peter Hook, he's still being bitchy). However, good news for us Australians: NO are scheduled to come here (currently Gillian Gilbert is back on keys), as well as Hooky doing CLOSER in April (got me a meet and greet package for that). The current touring video ad features clips I recorded from the Unknown Pleasures gig last year which is kinda cool:

    http://www.neworderonline.com/Forums...ThreadID=50152

    El Jarvo wrote:
    Is that New Order going to Australia?

    Or the Morrises just taking their daughters to Australia for a holiday?
    Google Translator had better days, I'll try to explain this one

    R - What is next?
    GG - We'll play more festivals and we are going to Australia. We're not thinking about recording for now, we're just enjoying the whole thing.



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    Waiting for the Siren's Call is fantastic, and will probably always be my favorite by N.O. I also saw them back in 2005 at Coachella.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malechite View Post
    Waiting for the Siren's Call is fantastic, and will probably always be my favorite by N.O. I also saw them back in 2005 at Coachella.
    "Lost Sirens" will be out soon featuring unreleased WFTSC tracks:

    1. Ill Stay with You (4.22)
    2. Sugarcane (4.47)
    3. Recoil (5.08)
    4. Californian Grass (4.38)
    5. Hellbent (4.28)
    6. Shake it Up (5.21)
    7. Ive Got a Feeling (4.29)
    8. I Told You So (5.05)


    LP + CD:

    http://www.neworderonline.com/Forums...ThreadID=50075


    "I Told You So" is an unreleased remix (not sure if it is the Stuart Price one that was on a vinyl release previously), and "Hellbent" was recently released on a new compilation, although this version might be extended, not sure.

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    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/new...-1226213070717

    INFLUENTIAL British band New Order will co-headline the Future Music Festival in March. The band rarely tours and last visited Australia in 2002 for the Big Day Out.


    http://www.newordernow.net
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    I still can't accept New Order without Peter Hook. It feels so wrong.

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    I can't really get into New Order. Absolutely LOVE Joy Division. But New Order, not so much. No matter how hard I try to like it.

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    It's quite the opposite for me. Joy Division is undeniably great, but New Order has always been much more special to me.

    The lack of Hooky in the reformation is disappointing (but not exactly surprising), but Gillian is back so colour me a little bit excited!

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    Is there possibly a good starting point to ease into it? I actually want to like them, but can't. Heh. Kinda sucks since they did such amazing work in Joy Division, but I can't get into any of the New Order stuff (that I've heard).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piko View Post
    Is there possibly a good starting point to ease into it? I actually want to like them, but can't. Heh. Kinda sucks since they did such amazing work in Joy Division, but I can't get into any of the New Order stuff (that I've heard).
















    Hooky on vocals on that last one.

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    Well alright! I guess i'll be giving them another shot afterall. A little iffy on Sabotage though... The other stuff, I really liked.
    Last edited by Piko; 12-04-2011 at 10:36 AM.

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    Sabotage is a b-side from the 2001 Get Ready sessions. I just really like it.

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    Scooped up Movement. Really, really nice. Kinda picks up where Closer left off.

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    piko, is it the 80s synths that prevent you from getting into new order? makes sense then, that movement would be the next go-to record, and why you might not get much enjoyment out of power, corruption, and lies or low-life (my personal favorite). that said, try these two songs and see what you make of them:




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    Yeah, it's the synths. I've listened to movement, which I really like. Power, Corruption, and Lies is pretty nifty too.

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    try that first track i posted, then. it came out right after movement and before power, corruption, and lies. all that in between stuff was collected here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_%E...%E2%80%93_1982

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    I'm way more into Joy Division than New Order as well. For me, I think it's the fact that they've done a lot of dance-y stuff and I'm just not into that. I have The Best of New Order and I think it satisfies my interest. I really love "Touched By The Hand Of God", though.

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    05 Future Music Festival Confirmed

    Monday, December 5, 2011 at 6:35PM
    New Order will play the Future Music Festival in Australia March 2012. We are very happy to be returning after a long time away.
    3rd March: Brisbane: Doomben Racecourse – Hampden Street, Ascot, Brisbane 4006

    4th March: Perth: Arena Joondalup, Kennedy Drive, Joondalup, Perth 6027

    10th March: Sydney: Royal Randwick Racecourse, Alison Road, Randwick, Sydney 2031

    11th March: Melbourne: Flemington Racecourse, 400 Epsom Road, Melbourne 3031

    12th March: Adelaide: Ellis Park, LOT 519 Glover Avenue, Adelaide, 5000
    For all ticketing information see:

    www.ticketmaster.com.au/futuremusic/

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    Quote Originally Posted by thevoid99 View Post
    I still can't accept New Order without Peter Hook. It feels so wrong.
    jihad to that.

    Why this band would even consider touring, collaborating or even calling itself New Order without Hook is beyond comprehension. Remember when Joy Division said they'd cease to call themselves Joy Division if any of them left or died? Same principle here

    I know Hook can be a douchemuffin extraordinaire, but it's not New Order without him. Simple as that

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    If it weren't for Gillian being back in, I'd feel the same way. But I'm keeping an open mind at this stage.

    Also, don't come to me for New Order recommendations if you're not into the synth. Low-Life, Technique and Republic is the Holy Trinity for me :P

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    I like some of the synth dancey stuff, but some of it's just a little too much. Huge depeche mode fan, so I like synth music. I've heard Movement, Corruption, Substance, and some of Republic.

    Are there any other songs with Hook on vocals? The two on Movement are ace.
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    New Order is Dead. But Peter Hook and The Light performing Unknown Pleasures Live is absolutely amazing. Its steadily climbing my personal charts of release of the year. Its frigging amazing.

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    Does Hook sing? I remember hearing about a year ago that he would play the album. Heard mixed things... But it is kinda weird for New Order to continue with him. Joy Division wasn't Joy Division without Ian. A bit hypocritical, but if the music's good, whatever.

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    I cannot imagine Unknown Pleasures begin sung by anyone but Ian Curtis. As far as I'm concerned that's a travesty beyond measure, I don't give a shit who sings it.

    New Order is a decent band, but they never really approached Joy Division level at all in my opinion. Still, I've always respected them for forming a new band and not really cashing in on the success of Joy Division and by association the tragic death of Ian. Which is why I find it odd that Peter Hook is now doing just that.

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    Have they ever played any of the Joy Division songs live? Maybe it's a cash in, or maybe he geniunely missed those songs.

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    If it's simply a case of missing the songs, which I can understand, why not just play the songs with friends in private? If it's a matter of just enjoying to play that material, why does he need to have a crowd there and charge money for it?

    I don't know, I just find it pretty sleazy. I felt the same way when Alice In Chains reformed with their new singer. It's especially repellent in these two cases to me because both singers ended up succumbing to the personal demons that were described to varying degrees in their lyrics. Having someone else sing lyrics that discuss Curtis' inner turmoil and epilepsy or Staley's battles with addiction just seems wrong to me.

    What's funny to me in the case of Alice In Chains is that Jerry Cantrell wrote most of the lyrics for AIC, Layne only wrote the lyrics for a couple songs, so it would be very easy to just not play Man In The Box but nope, the paying customer wants it so they're going to play it.
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    Yeah, I guess it is kinda weird for someone to be singing Ian's words.

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    for those craving more of the joy division sound, there are a slew of bands that sound similar from that era and deserve your equal attention. try these guys on for size:

    joy of life (track: 'standing')
    early modern english ('16 days', mesh & lace LP)
    the chameleons (first two records esp.)
    the sound (from the lion's mouth)
    early death in june (fields/the calling/she said destroy)/above the ruins/sol invictus/sixth comm (ie, any early DIJ offshoots)
    early fra lippa lippi ('a moment like this')
    diaframma (siberia)
    soft kill (new band)
    twisted nerve
    sombre septembre (2 7''s)
    venus in furs ('that first wild kiss' & 'in my velvet cage')
    humour malade

    etc. etc. etc. i'm an avid collector of all things post-punk, so get at me if you're interested in hearing more.
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    piko, new order occasionally played JD songs in concert, especially in more recent years. mostly the bigger tracks. pretty sure they've played 'love will tear us apart,' 'transmission,' etc...

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    Man I remember when you posted Monkeyland around this time last year. I was instantly in love. So yeah, I second The Chameleons recommendation.

    Will have to give some of the others you've listed there a listen.

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    The Live in Glasgow DVD from 2007 (great performance BTW) has a few of the big JD tracks in the encore.

    Follow up from Frankie's post, Siglo XX (Belgium) is another very JD-ish band and from around the same period.

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