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He sings "your name like ice into my heart" really quietly between the 3:40-3:45 mark. It's not in the official lyrics and I don't think he ever does it live, either.
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Holy crap, I never knew that!
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Wish was originally meant to be a double lp with happy songs on one disc and dark songs on the second disc, right? But the record company talked him out of it?
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I mean I love lots of the happy stuff on wish too. And off it. “Halo” is amaze
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Why on earth would I do that? Those are some of my favorite tracks. Bloodflowers has got to be the most underrated Cure record.
Wish is great but I kind of consider it more in line with records like Head on the Door and Kiss Me because it has both the dark and the light side of the Cure.
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Still my favorite Cure performance ever. During the Pornography tour they did an in studio performance in Paris.....Dark empty studio...Somber atmosphere...Totally fitting to this era....
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Ok, just heard it for the first time. Can’t believe I never noticed that before.
How long have you known about it/where did you discover it?
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I forget, it's been quite a long time now but I definitely didn't notice it on my own either lol
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Old interview with some very interesting bits. WMS could’ve been called "Bare"!
http://www.picturesofyou.us/fanzines/curenews-15.htm
when will the new album be released? does it have a title yet?
R at the moment i think of it as 'the next album' (or 'bare' sometimes...)
after the demo's in august it will have a title (and it will be out in the
spring).
what on earth is the symbol on wish meant to be?
R i think of it as unfulfilled desire ... porl might have other ideas!
why did you not release 'burn' as a single?
R it wasn't right: it sounded (purposefully) like an 'old' cure song (ie.
from 'pornography' time - 'hanging garden' in particular!)
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I’ve always thought the vocals here are just as good as or better than the album version:
Bonus video with tear, very emotional:
Last edited by Erneuert; 03-10-2021 at 03:24 AM.
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On a Cure kick the last few days. Something about this particular performance of Burn is extra special:
Also, dat version of Pornography:
Last edited by Erneuert; 03-11-2021 at 04:16 PM.
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ok so this dude is using AI to interpolate older concerts into 4k. He's just done the Cure's Show. which is one of my all time faves. He also did Cure In Orange. I just used JDownloader to pull them into my drive. as i doubt these will stay online for long. Also you can probably Kiss goodbye the notion of Robert releasing these again. now that these are circulating.
IF I have time. I may swap the audio from show with Lossless audio from the CD... If theyre the same performances... which I think they are..
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^They did 2 nights at that venue for Show, but it's not clear what night made the cut or if they spliced together the best performances. I do believe the CD and video are the same performances though. Curiously enough, the second night doesn't even have a documented setlist.
On a side note, I really do miss the Palace of Auburn Hills. I love the shots of the crowd and venue concourse in the intro.
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Not too impressed with the AI job here, tbh. Both of these shows are VHS or LD-sourced, right? It shows.
See Pink Floyd's DSOT as an example of old footage remaster done right. (Granted, this was official release with complete re-edit, but still). Around 10 years ago there was also a HDTV rip of original edit of this concert (broadcasted by WDR/Rockpalast) and it also looked better than this.
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No there was only one night in Orange but Tim Pope wanted the band a day after at the venue for some shoots.
Opps sorry, you were dealing about Show..
The video isn"t the same as The Forest is included on video, not CD.. I wonder if a second track is only on video but I forgot it.. I still have the LaserDisc for Video !
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Erp, oh yeah the CD is missing quite a few songs that are on the video (like the entirety of the encore), but I think what is included are the same performances, if that makes sense.
I think the UK had a 2-cd version but it still didn't include everything. The US may have gotten those extra UK tracks as a separate EP called sideshow. My memory is a little foggy. I also had some kind of video CD version of show and maybe also in orange, but they were some weird format that I couldn't get to play on anything (Phillips cdi or something?)
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yes, there is a CDi version of Show.. this is probably unreadable now as no player still exist. I remember trying to read it on Mac.. wasn't able.
LaserDisc is something else : very big ..mostly like vinyls. I keep a LD player for fun.
I only know the 2-CD of Show. i don't think this is particular to UK..
All of this is also blurry for me.. I was a huge fan but it was nearly 20 years ago !
A forest was so great in 1992.. even if the longer version (ever.. it was the case when I was fan) is at Lyon en 1998, a few weeks after the world soccer championship. Robert was completely drunk, destroyed a lot of songs but there was a fabulous A Forest of something like 18 min, with a great restart when Robert asked to Simon to restart the bass line. fabulous souvenir.
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I have found a video.. funny I had a AUD1 from master that I sold 15 years ago at a good price.. this is not this video for sure. i have a different angle focus on Robert.
P.S : this is not 4k at all
P.P.S : check at 3:30 how Robert just drop his wine glass for playing a few guitar.. he's really out..
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Going back to hidden nuggets and things like that...
At the beginning of Lullaby, I always interpreted “I spy... something beginning with ‘S’” as referring to the spider in the song. The video clip also pans to a frame near the bed of the letter S at this point.
Then I go on a few sites and read all these alternate explanations of it standing for “sex” and underlying rape meanings and such. What do you guys make of it?
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Those summer '98 shows were pretty sloppy. Robert was hitting the sauce a lot on that tour. The Bizarre Fest 98 show (Deftones opened) was a total mess. The pro shot video of the entire show is out there. Robert forgets the lyrics to a few songs.....Great setlists on that tour but not exactly top notch performances
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I looked at the thumbnail and was like... is that Ian Curtis covering The Cure?
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1:25:39
Never thought I’d hear Untitled with Watching Me Fall lyrics!
First encore :16 - Untitled - ( instead of starting the first verse, Robert sings some lyrics from the then still unreleased Watching Me Fall - he then continues with the second verse of Untitled, but changes the order of the two parts)
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I’ve been listening to 4:13 Dream (something I rarely do) and am reevaluating it a bit.
To me it seems to have this annoyingness to it where Robert was just throwing words together to get content (Switch, It’s Over - I preferred the latter originally live as Baby Rag Dog Book), and certain songs just sound loud and overproduced. Take the vocals on The Hungry Ghost compared to how he sings it live (much better, lower vocals), and too many of the songs seem to follow this similar vocal melody (Freakshow, Sleep When I’m Dead). Switch just sounds like Robert told Porl to come up with some freaky guitar crap and he put vocals over it. Sirensong could have been something really special but it’s way too short.
The only memorable songs for me are Underneath The Stars (gorgeous), The Reasons Why (very sad, apparently about a fan that wrote to RS about depression/suicide), and The Scream. Actually, the entire record would have been better in the vein of The Scream and the live version of The Hungry Ghost. I like a lot of This. Here And Now. With You as well, but it gets repetitive.
As usual (save for All Kinds Of Stuff), the other three b-sides are supremely better, particularly Down Under.
I think RS was just so in two minds over releasing it as a double (happy/sad) album and reaching for lyrics that he ultimately fucked most of it up, resulting in it feeling like this unmemorable, plasticy mess. The fact that it wasn’t given any sort of special release speaks volumes too, I think. Don’t know why he kept letting label pressure get to him. Oh, and all those delays of it getting pushed back months and months. All the waiting felt so anticlimactic in 2008.
Edit: I guess The Perfect Boy is a cute idea/song sequel to The Perfect Girl.
Last edited by Erneuert; 04-06-2021 at 04:43 AM.
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I sequenced 4:13 like this and I enjoy it way more that way:
01 - All Kinds Of Stuff
02 - The Only One
03 - The Reasons Why
04 - Sirensong
05 - The Real Snow White
06 - The Hungry Ghost
07 - The Perfect Boy
08 - Without You
09 - This. Here And Now. With You.
10 - Sleep When I'm Dead
11 - NY Trip
12 - It's Over
13 - Underneath The Stars
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The ones in bold are the only ones I can really stand listening to repetitively.
Ha, I find The Real Snow White so unmemorable that I forgot to mention it. Remember when some of the lyrics for that were originally posted in the 2007 tour book without context? The part about promises, etc.
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I kinda feel the same way about 4:13 as I do self-titled. They both have a lot of great stuff there but there's just something off about the production. The Cure, to me anyways, were always great at using space and those last two records just push everything up so loud the nuance gets lost. A track like The Real Snow White has a pretty melodic chorus and I think if it had been recorded back around Head on the Door or Kiss Me it would have come out much better just on production alone.
Underneath the Stars just sets the bar so high for that record though and nothing on it really lives up to it. I'd still love to hear the 4:14 Scream one day. Then again every time I check this thread I think today's the day the new album finally came out. Wasn't it supposed to be completed minus some vocals and RS said he would be disappointed if it didn't come out by fall 2019? I still want to believe they'll release it one of these days but maybe I'm delusional at this point. The thing is, the band is still great. I got to see them live and musically they are still as good as they ever were. It'd be ashamed not to document that on at least one more album.
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For the amount of times he’s said new material is “almost ready” since 2008 he must have material coming out of his ass at this point, at least enough to compile 10 albums knowing how prolific he can be. I don’t know what the fuck the Wish deluxe delay is all about though.
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are we sure the deluxe campaign is successful ? This is maybe a financial disaster... I'm really not sure a lot of people are ready to buy them ? or this is digital release..
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Well, they’ve gone from TIB to Mixed Up. What’s, what, three more to add to the list if they stop at Bloodflowers?
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Shit, why stop at Bloodflowers if you've come all that way in the discography. According to Robert (take this for what you will), there's plenty of leftover songs from S/T and "A WHOLE OTHER ALBUM'S WORTH OF DARKER MATERIAL THAT'S COMING OUT SOON" from 4:13 Dream. Plus, their hardcore fanbase has been whining like little bitches about the mastering on S/T and 4:13 since the day they were both released, so there's incentive to right that heresy, too..
Maybe he can get back to the remaster campaign for the final five albums right after he releases "these two new Cure albums that just need a few more vocals" he's been touting for the better part of three years now..
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