The Cure

[Erneuert]

I really love Bloodflowers. For me, that's the last great Cure album. All of their records have some good stuff, it just gets a bit more sparce as the years go by.

He says Jason did a remix of There Is No If, and Robert did a remix of The Loudest Sound that is really different and more like it’s original demo form. And Mike Hedges did a remix of The Last Day of Summer. How I wish they all got released!

All we got were the Maybe Someday and Out of this World remixes.

[Erneuert]

I somehow forgot about this quote:


https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...m-the-opposite


Only with 1985’s The Head on the Door did Smith decide to get “professional”, rearranging the studio for each song and pinning guidelines to the wall. “For the first time we were creating sounds as well as songs,” he says. The instructions for the desolate Sinking, for example, were: “We must cry by 6pm tonight.”

[Erneuert]

Just saw this first TV appearance for the first time from 1979, wow. Back when A Forest had different lyrics and was called At Night: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xn3itu

[Erneuert]

When worlds collide -

[Erneuert]

[chuckrh]

When worlds collide -

So, so wrong.....

[Erneuert]

So, so wrong.....

Really? It gave me goosebumps. Especially given that Burn was written specially for The Crow and the lyrics to WIMS really kind of fit the struggle of the movie’s character.

[chuckrh]

Really? It gave me goosebumps. Especially given that Burn was written specially for The Crow and the lyrics to WIMS really kind of fit the struggle of the movie’s character.

Personality flaw. I'm not huge on the DM.

[Erneuert]

Personality flaw. I'm not huge on the DM.

Ah, ok. I love them both equally.

[Erneuert]

I just realised… Step Into The Light and It Can Never Be The Same debuted live in 2016. They’re been extant for FIVE years now. How the hell did that happen? They’re literally… new… old songs. Where is all this stagnancy coming from?!

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

Robert promised a new album by Halloween 2019 to be followed by another album or two in the following year....Guess he missed that deadline. Hes basically turned into Axl Rose or Dr. Dre at this point. Would not shock me if he never releases another album again

[Erneuert]

On the topic… ICNBTS is sad enough, but check out this cover and the dedication. All the feels:

[Erneuert]

Robert promised a new album by Halloween 2019 to be followed by another album or two in the following year....Guess he missed that deadline. Hes basically turned into Axl Rose or Dr. Dre at this point. Would not shock me if he never releases another album again

I don’t get why he makes so many promises. In the very least, you said Wish deluxe is complete. AT LEAST release that little fucker. It’ll be a hell of a lot more interesting than that 3-disc DE version of Mixed Up. What a waste of time and energy that was when you compare it with how many other things could’ve been put out.

[Erneuert]

Jason mentions the new album at the beginning of this, the word “soon” is mentioned…

[piggy]

I know that with the Wish deluxe, Robert said it was done and he had handed it off to the record company and the ball was in their court. So at least that one can be blamed on someone else. The other stuff, yeah... Robert just has a problem with over-promising, compounded with verbal diarrhea.

[Erneuert]

I highly recommend checking that Jason video out. He drums to all the songs the band did in Mexico during that longest ever show they did in 2013 on RS’s birthday. He’s sweaty as hell by the end of it, lol. It isn’t just him and the drums; they have the actual gig audio and vocals playing while he plays along.

By the way, I always forget about this track. So poignant.

[henryeatscereal]

Jason mentions the new album at the beginning of this, the word “soon” is mentioned…

I attended the show Jason is talking about and it was awesome!
Heard it's the longest The Cure show ever (4 hours and 16 minutes!)

[Erneuert]

I can’t find the exact quote, but back when the KMKMKM deluxe edition came out, Robert said something along the lines of the second bonus disc wasn’t as interesting as fans would’ve hoped for but felt it had better content on it (for whatever reason) and would like to release a second bonus disc (maybe online) later down the line with other extra stuff, like he did with the special, third online only Disintegration bonus disc in 2010 for the fans.


I mention this because I can’t believe the Kiss Me tour intro (“Eyemou”) was never released on the DE. Surely a studio version of that exists? And when will we get it? Surely that of all things should have been put on the KMKMKM deluxe edition like, as a first thought, right?

For anyone unfamiliar, RS had an obsession or interest in orifices at the time of that album, and put together this tour intro song called “Eyemou” (eye/mouth) showing close up images of his eyes and mouth, etc. Kinda like what Trent did with the Into The Void video. That also explains the giant lips and eyeball on the album artwork for the KM booklet.

[Jon]

I mention this because I can’t believe the Kiss Me tour intro (“Eyemou”) was never released on the DE. Surely a studio version of that exists? And when will we get it? Surely that of all things should have been put on the KMKMKM deluxe edition like, as a first thought, right?

The following are confirmed to have been demoed/sketched/recorded at Miraval in 1986:

All I Want
Breathe
Catch
A Chain Of Flowers
Eyemou
Fight
Hey You!
Hot Hot Hot!
How Beautiful You Are
Icing Sugar
If Only Tonight We Could Sleep
A Japanese Dream
Just Like Heaven
The Kiss
Like Cockatoos
One More Time
The Perfect Girl
Shiver And Shake
Snakepit
Snow In Summer
Sugar Girl
A Thousand Hours
To The Sky
Torture
Why Can't I Be You?

[Erneuert]

Rob-ert, stop Robbing us of these gems!

[grime_z]

Here we go again..

https://www.stereogum.com/2149872/ro...of-noise/news/

Two albums waiting to be mixed and a solo album of noise..

I hope it actually happens this time..

[Erneuert]

Here we go again..

https://www.stereogum.com/2149872/ro...of-noise/news/

Two albums waiting to be mixed and a solo album of noise..

I hope it actually happens this time..

We’ll probably laugh back at this in a year’s time:

Smith hasn’t forgotten about those Cure albums, though. “Probably in about six weeks time I’ll be able to say when everything’s coming out and what we’re doing next year and everything … We were doing two albums and one of them’s very, very doom and gloom and the other one isn’t,” he said. “And they’re both very close to being done. I just have to decide who’s going to mix them. That’s really all I’ve got left to do.”

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

2 new Cure albums and a solo album. Sounds exciting. Too bad we will never hear them

[Erneuert]

“Bare” is the last and longest track on The Cure’s 1996 album Wild Mood Swings.
Despite being Robert Smith’s favorite songon the album, and originally intended to bethe title track of it, Roger O'Donnell revealed shortly before Wild Mood Swingswas released that “Bare” almost didn’t make the cut.

http://www.musicfanclubs.org/cure/press/I42.html

http://www.musicfanclubs.org/cure/press/I46.html

http://www.musicfanclubs.org/cure/press/I81.html

[halo eighteen]

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"The Pixies...how'd you get along with them? uhhh, didn't. I hate that bitch, the bass player...I watched them...the first time they played with us was at a festival in Germany, with the Sugarcubes (Bjork is a goddess)...so I went out front and watched from the mixing desk, and I couldn't believe how bad the Pixies were, so completely out of tune. And then when we came off stage, they'd already left, but they left a note in our dressing room; "enjoyed the show, it's a shame just like heaven was so badly out of tune." And I go, they wouldn't know how to tune if it hit them in the face! I'm not into that, I'm a musician, I'm not into people not being able to play."

Oh, that just gave me so much life to read. Hands down, truth be told, they were TERRIBLE at Coachella 2004.

Also that was interesting to read a track called Adone was supposed to be made for The Crow: City of Angels soundtrack. I assume that became Adonais..

[Erneuert]

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"The Pixies...how'd you get along with them? uhhh, didn't. I hate that bitch, the bass player...I watched them...the first time they played with us was at a festival in Germany, with the Sugarcubes (Bjork is a goddess)...so I went out front and watched from the mixing desk, and I couldn't believe how bad the Pixies were, so completely out of tune. And then when we came off stage, they'd already left, but they left a note in our dressing room; "enjoyed the show, it's a shame just like heaven was so badly out of tune." And I go, they wouldn't know how to tune if it hit them in the face! I'm not into that, I'm a musician, I'm not into people not being able to play."

Oh, that just gave me so much life to read. Hands down, truth be told, they were TERRIBLE at Coachella 2004.

Also that was interesting to read a track called Adone was supposed to be made for The Crow: City of Angels soundtrack. I assume that became Adonais..

Wow, I didn’t even read that. There are so many interesting overlooked tidbits out there.

http://www.musicfanclubs.org/cure/pr..._darkness.html


"All of these songs do have glimmers of light in them," says Smith, "but they put the onus on you to decide if you're gonna be bothered. The image of flowers dying was something I used as a metaphor, and I couldn't think of a better one. And I'd hope that it goes without saying that new flowers are growing all the time."
"I think the only really depressing song on the album is 'There Is No If,' because in that one there really is no way out - everything goes wrong and then you die. I originally didn't want that song on the album, and I was loath to even sing it, but the others in the band really wanted it on there. I normally disregard the four-to-one votes, which are as meaningless in this band as they are in any dictatorship, but everyone who heard the song really liked it."


One of Blood Flowers' most decisive lyrical statements -- and the one most open to misinterpretation -- is "Where the Birds Always Sing," which rejects religious dogma as a hindrance to real understanding of the human condition.
According to Smith, "'Where the Birds Always Sing' arose out of a discussion with someone who was experiencing a series of extremely terrible events, and who honestly believed, due to a religious upbringing that somehow they'd done something to deserve this. I got really upset about that, and wrote the words out of my belief that things just happen because they happen. There's no great force at work, there's no great master plan, there's nothing. I've kind of lost all my earlier desire to believe in something or to seek something. Which doesn't diminish my enjoyment of life at all, because I actually live much more for the moment than I used to."
"After writing that, I started to think about using this album to address some of these philosophical points, to try and get to the heart of some of the things that bug me. So I put a lot of things down on paper, crystallizing everything that I've worried about over the years. Some of these rants were, like, seven pages long, and some of them made very interesting reading, but as songs they didn't really work. Whereas, 'Out of This World' actually moves people, because it's so simple and ordinary."
One of Blood Flowers' most nakedly revealing numbers is "39," on which Smith convincingly confesses to having lost inspiration. Ironically, the song is one of the album's most memorable compositions and impassioned performances.
"At the time I wrote '39,' I genuinely did feel that way," Smith recalls. "I originally wanted the song to sound really monotonous. It was really just one riff, and it was going to be the penultimate track on the album. The album was originally supposed to kind of cascade into monotony -- it was supposed to open with 'Watching Me Fall,' and then it would gradually just tail off. But I realized very quickly that it would sound like I had a couple of really great things and then ran out of ideas, so I had to rethink it.
"I think everyone, if they're old enough, at some point in their life has thought, 'Where did my passions go, what happened to my desires to change the world?' You have to work harder as you get older, because cynicism is like a creeping insidious enemy that can poison everything. And if I'm really honest, I have to admit that I don't have the same fire, the same desire to be heart, that I had when I was younger."
"But I think that saying 'The fire's almost out' in '39' is not a statement that I'm giving up. I'm just being open and honest about the fact that what's driven me to express myself in the past is just not there like it used to be. That's neither a good nor a bad thing, it's just a fact. When I was heading towards 30, I thought 'I have to do it now, because I'm running out of time and energy,' so I put everything I had into making Disintegration. On this album, I felt a different kind of drive. If I was still as fucking angry as I was when I made Disintegration, I'd be dead.

[burnmotherfucker!]

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"The Pixies...how'd you get along with them? uhhh, didn't. I hate that bitch, the bass player...I watched them...the first time they played with us was at a festival in Germany, with the Sugarcubes (Bjork is a goddess)...so I went out front and watched from the mixing desk, and I couldn't believe how bad the Pixies were, so completely out of tune. And then when we came off stage, they'd already left, but they left a note in our dressing room; "enjoyed the show, it's a shame just like heaven was so badly out of tune." And I go, they wouldn't know how to tune if it hit them in the face! I'm not into that, I'm a musician, I'm not into people not being able to play."

Oh, that just gave me so much life to read. Hands down, truth be told, they were TERRIBLE at Coachella 2004.

Also that was interesting to read a track called Adone was supposed to be made for The Crow: City of Angels soundtrack. I assume that became Adonais..

Wait, so The Cure and Pixies hate each other? And more specifically Kim Deal? I hate finding out stuff like this when its bands I like. Simon Gallup is probably my favorite bass player but Kim Deal would be a close second.

Who was terrible at Coachella, the Pixies or The Cure?

And as a side note, why in the world wouldn't that Cure track have been included in the City of Angels movie? That film needed all the help it could get. Not to mention Tim Pope directed it so it would have made sense.

[october_midnight]

I mean, I saw The Pixies around that time and yeah it was pretty brutal so it checks out.

[burnmotherfucker!]

Ok just checking. I just watched LoudQuietLoud the other day and it was fascinating. Kinda kills a lot of nostalgia for Pixies but those records are still great to me and thats what matters. I've never seen them live but I don't think they ever tried to be great technically and in some ways that's part of the appeal. Especially to me because I suck so bad at playing music.

The Cure on the other hand, I have seen live. And both in person and on their live records I'm always amazed at how they are able to recreate the atmosphere of their records. And they have some of the most atmospheric records ever.

[Erneuert]

Just read a bit of an interview where he says he had his wife Mary sitting watching him while he recorded the vocals for Siamese Twins on Pornography. He rarely does that, apparently.

In another interview from ‘87 he says he had the band watch him record the vocals for Shiver And Shake to give it that extra… edge to it. Filing through these archived interviews is fascinating. Where’s a proper Cure wiki as good & extensive as the NIN one, @piggy?