The Cure

[jmtd]

I'm going to post this here and at CureFans because I'm really interested in compiling all this now:

Is there a definitive listing anywhere of all the significant omissions from Join The Dots? I mean things like High (Higher Mix), A Letter To Elise (Blue Mix), A Letter To Elise (Extended Mix), Mint Car (Buskers Mix) and so on?

I ask because I didn't think they were that important or that I hadn't been missing out on much, but after listening to High (Higher Mix) and the extended version of Elise recently, I was gobsmacked! The only one I've had for a long time and bothered with (albeit a vinyl rip) is the extended version of Just One Kiss as it's my all time favourite Cure song. On that note of JOK, I only just recently realised that the edit on Japanese Whispers has a different intro to the version on The Walk mini-EP. I haven't heard the latter and want to!

Apart from that, I feel like I've been missing out.

So yeah, is there a list anywhere of all the definitive missing things from Join The Dots, going from oldest to the most recent?

Cheers guys! Maybe @frankie teardrop you can help?

Erm, good question. I don't have any such list. This is why we need a "musical revolution" wiki, something I've been meaning to start up for a long time. (NOTE: best not to start with WIkia. Honestly.)

I'd add the extended mix of "Pictures of You" to the essentials list.

[Shadaloo]

Someone out there put together an 11 CD compilation of every single thing outside of the albums from Head On The Door onward, as well as any side collaborations etc. that Robert's done. Not linking to it for obvious reasons, but here's the tracklisting, which seems pretty damn comprehensive to me barring the Lost Wishes tracks.

CD1:
01. The Exploding Boy
02. A Few Hours After This
03. Six Different Ways (Live)
04. Push (Live)
05. Close To Me (12" Mix)
06. A Man Inside My Mouth
07. Stop Dead
08. New Day
09. Why Can't I Be You (Extended Mix)
10. A Japanese Dream (Extended Mix)
11. Hey You !!!
12. Snow In Summer
13. Sugar Girl
14. Hot Hot Hot !!! (Remix)
15. Hey You !!! (Extended Remix)
16. Killing An Arab (Live)
17. 10:15 Saturday Night (Live)
18. Fire In Cairo (Live)
19. Boys Don't Cry (Live)
20. Lullaby (Remix)
CD2:
01. I Dig You (Cult Hero)
02. World War
03. Let's Go To Bed (Extended Mix)
04. Just One Kiss (Extended Mix)
05. The Lovecats (Extended Version)
06. In Between Days (Extended Version)
07. Boys Don't Cry (New Voice - Club Mix) (Resung & Club Mixed February 86) (Extended 12" Dance Version)
08. Boys Don't Cry (New Voice - New Mix) (Resung & Club Mixed February 86)
09. Just Like Heaven (Remix)
10. Breathe
11. Chain Of Flowers
12. Icing Sugar (New Mix)
13. To The Sky
14. Lovesong (Remix)
15. Never Enough
16. Pictures Of You (Extended Remix)
17. High (Single Mix)
CD3:
01. Babble
02. Out Of Mind
03. Fascination Street (Remix)
04. 2 Late
05. Fear Of Ghosts
06. Pictures Of You (Remix)
07. Harold And Joe
08. Lets Go To Bed (Milk Mix)
09. Close To Me (Closest Mix)
10. Just Like Heaven (Dizzy Mix)
11. Primary (Red Mix)
12. Inbetween Days (Shiver Mix) (Edit Of LP Version)
13. Hello, I Love You (The Doors Cover)
14. Hello, I Love You (Slight Return) (The Doors Cover)
15. This Twilight Garden
16. Play
17. High (Higher Mix)
CD4:
01. Open (Fix Mix)
02. Halo
03. Scared As You
04. Friday I'm In Love (Strangelove Mix)
05. The Big Hand
06. A Foolish Arrangement
07. A Letter To Elise (Blue Mix)
08. A Letter To Elise (7" Remix Edit)
09. A Letter To Elise (12" Extended Remix)
10. Tape (Intro)
11. Purple Haze (Jimi Hendrix Cover)
12. Burn
13. Young Americans (David Bowie Cover)
14. Dredd Song
15. The 13th (Swing Radio Mix)
CD5:
01. The 13th (Two Chord Cool Mix)
02. It Used To Be Me
03. Ocean
04. Adonais
05. The 13th (Killer Bee Mix)
06. Mint Car (Electric Mix)
07. Waiting
08. A Pink Dream
09. Mint Car (Buskers Mix)
10. Mint Car (Radio Mix)
11. Home
12. Gone! (Radio Mix)
13. Gone! (Critter Mix)
14. Gone! (Ultra Living Mix)
15. Gone! (Spacer Mix)
16. Strange Attraction (Adrian Sherwood Mix)
17. The 13th (Feels Good Mix)
CD6:
01. This Is A Lie (Ambient Mix)
02. Strange Attraction (Strange Mix)
03. Want (Live)
04. Club America (Live)
05. Mint Car (Live)
06. Trap (Live)
07. Treasure (Live)
08. Wrong Number (Analogue Exchange Mix)
09. Wrong Number (P2P Mix)
10. Wrong Number (Crossed Line Mix)
11. Wrong Number (ISDN Mix)
12. Wrong Number (Digital Exchange Mix)
13. Wrong Number (Dub Analogue Exchange Mix)
14. A Sign From God (Cogasm)
15. More Than This
CD7:
01. World In My Eyes (Depeche Mode Cover)
02. Out Of This World (Radio Edit)
03. Coming Up
04. Maybe Someday (Radio Edit)
05. Maybe Someday (Hybrid Mix Radio Edit)
06. Maybe Someday (Dance Mix)
07. Maybe Someday (Acoustic Mix)
08. Watching Me Fall (Underdog Remix)
09. Yesterday's Gone (Robert Smith feat. Reeves Gabrels)
10. Signal To Noise
11. Cut Here (Missing Remix)
12. One Hundred Years (Live)
13. Pictures Of You (Live)
14. Maybe Someday (Live)
CD8:
01. The End Of The World (Radio Edit)
02. This Morning
03. Fake
04. Truth Goodness And Beauty
05. Going Nowhere
06. alt.end (Single Edit)
07. Why Can't I Be Me
08. Your God Is Fear
09. Da Hype (Vocal Single Version) (Robert Smith feat. Junior Jack)
10. Da Hype (Junior Jack Original Club Mix)
11. Da Hype (Warren Clarke Vocal Dub Mix) (Robert Smith feat. Junior Jack)
12. Da Hype (Extended Vocal Version) (Robert Smith feat. Junior Jack)
13. Love (John Lennon Cover)
14. Please (Robert Smith feat. Paul Hartnoll And Lianne Hall)
15. The Only One (Mix 13)
CD9:
01. NY Trip
02. Freakshow (Mix 13)
03. All Kinds Of Stuff
04. Sleep When I'm Dead (Mix 13)
05. Down Under
06. The Perfect Boy (Mix 13)
07. Without You
08. The Only One (Remix4 By 30 Seconds To Mars)
09. Freakshow (Wolves At The Gate Remix By Jade Puget)
10. Sleep When I'm Dead (Remix4 By Gerard Way And Julien K)
11. The Perfect Boy (Remix4 By Patrick Stump / Pete Wenz)
12. Exploding Head Syndrome (4 Single Remix By 65 Days Of Static)
13. Underneath The Stars (Renholder Remix) (feat. Maynard James Keenan/Puscifer & Milla)
14. Very Good Advice (Robert Smith) (Kathryn Beaumont Cover)
15. Not In Love (Robert Smith feat. Crystal Castles)
16. Take Forever (Robert Smith feat. The Japanese Popstars)
CD10:
01. Perfect Blue Sky (Robert Smith feat. Junkie XL)
02. All Of This (Robert Smith feat. Blink 182)
03. Believe (Robert Smith feat. Earl Slick)
04. A Forest (Original Mix) (Robert Smith feat. Blank & Jones)
05. Truth Is (Robert Smith feat. Tweaker)
06. Pictures Of You (Paulmac Remix) (Robert Smith) (The Cure Cover)
07. The Dragon Hunters Song
08. J'aurai Tout Essaye (Robert Smith feat. Anik Jean)
09. Come To Me (Robert Smith feat. 65daysofstatic)
10. Small Hours (Robert Smith) (John Martyn Cover)
11. Witchcraft (Robert Smith) (Frank Sinatra Cover)
12. Apart (Renholder Remix)
13. Hello Goodbye (feat. James McCartney) (Paul McCartney Cover)
14. C Moon (Robert Smith) (Paul McCartney Cover)
15. Please (Robert Smith feat. 8:58 And Lianne Hall)
CD11:
01. In All Worlds (Eat Static)
02. There's A Girl In The Corner (The Twilight Sad Cover)
03. Take Forever (RS Home Remix) (The Japanese Popstars)
04. Take Forever (Raw Man Remix) (The Japanese Popstars)
05. Take Forever (Attaque Remix) (The Japanese Popstars)
06. Take Forever (The Deadstock 33s Remix) (The Japanese Popstars)
07. Not In Love (Robert Smith Mix a.k.a. R. Smith Remix) (Crystal Castles)
08. Please (Statik Remix) (Paul Hartnoll And Lianne Hall)
09. Please (KGB Remix) (Paul Hartnoll And Lianne Hall)
10. Make Me Bad / In Between Days (Korn)
11. Spiders, Crocodiles & Kryptonite (Faithless)
12. ToLoveSomebody (Billy Corgan)
13. A Forest (Short Cut) (Blank & Jones)
14. Wrong Number (Engaged Mix)
15. Club America (Roxy Mix)

[frankie teardrop]

damn, not bad! better than i could have spooled up (tho i was working on this as per @Ryan 's request).

things we're missing from here:
lost wishes & other wish outtakes (heart attack, slvvy, etc.)
primary (12'' extended mix)
some of the worthwhile expanded edition stuff (hanging garden demo, winter, i want to be old, forever, ariel etc.)
live version of faith from charlotte sometimes 12''
live versions of 'killing an arab' and 'a forest' from hanging garden 10''/2x7''
carnage visors

[Ryan]

Thanks guys! I also read on CureFans that the versions of The Exploding Boy and World War on Join The Dots sound different to their original counterparts. So Robert's remixed them like he did with Entreat and how he sped up Bananafishbones on The Top reissue...

Pisses me off when things like that happen.


edit: Also not listed in that listing are the leaked Lost Flowers demos from Bloodflowers, Spilt Milk, Ching Chang Chong - which has the same music from Spilt Milk but different lyrics, A Boy I Never Knew, Strum, Please Come Home...

[frankie teardrop]

really? i hadn't heard that... i used to listen to the standing on a beach cassette with all the b-sides constantly, and i spin 'the exploding boy' off the 12" pretty regularly and i never noticed any real difference. i know the bad fade on 'fear of ghosts' was corrected, though...

wasn't the story on 'bananafishbones' that the original master had an error which slowed it down? they play it live at the remastered speed so maybe that really was a mistake.

[Ryan]

Yeah, maybe, re Bananafishbones. But I got so used to the original that the sped up version sounded... wrong!

Not sure about World War and Exploding Boy, could just be crap as it has only been said by one person. I never listen to any original analogue stuff so I can't comment.

[frankie teardrop]

when i get back from vacation (this weekend) i'll rip the 12'' and compare, but yeah, i bet that's just some fan bs.

[jmtd]

really? i hadn't heard that... i used to listen to the standing on a beach cassette with all the b-sides constantly, and i spin 'the exploding boy' off the 12" pretty regularly and i never noticed any real difference. i know the bad fade on 'fear of ghosts' was corrected, though...

wasn't the story on 'bananafishbones' that the original master had an error which slowed it down? they play it live at the remastered speed so maybe that really was a mistake.

That was my understanding, for all of the above, aye.
@Shadaloo, that is a pretty amazing list, but it's a shame it includes stuff that *is* on *Join The Dots*, since I/we/you've already got them.

It's a pretty crazy list. I would also choose to file the RS solo and side project / guest vocal stuff separate from the Cure, but that's just me.

And was Lianne Hall really on the first iteration of Please? I don't remember her (I have the 7" downstairs, can check)

[Shadaloo]

It's a strange compilation, to be certain. Lord knows why it skips the early years and includes 3/4 of Join The Dots. It's probably intended to only include official releases, hence the lack of demos.

I'm not the one who made it, anyway. I'd have gone about it a bit different to say the least :P

I recall hearing the same thing about Bananafishbones - original was wrong.

[jmtd]

I'd be interested to know where it came from

[Ryan]

- With "Ariel", it has only ever existed in demo form, hasn't it? The Kid Jensen session and the demo released on The Top reissue?

- Is the version of "Pirate Ships" on the Disintegration remaster the same as the version that was online for years in low quality?

[jmtd]

- With "Ariel", it has only ever existed in demo form, hasn't it? The Kid Jensen session and the demo released on The Top reissue?

- Is the version of "Pirate Ships" on the Disintegration remaster the same as the version that was online for years in low quality?

For the latter it's *supposed* to be, but I've never A/B'd it and since Robert has a revisionist approach to vocals on reissues it's possible he fiddled with it.

[Ryan]

Didn't Bob do something to Shake Dog Shake as well as Bananafishbones?

[Ryan]

New version of A Few Hours After This -

http://craigjparker.blogspot.com.au/...-this.html?m=1

Looks like the the full version of this still hasn't surfaced.

Can anyone provide me an mp3 of this condensed version, preferably not a YouTube rip?

[frankie teardrop]

- With "Ariel", it has only ever existed in demo form, hasn't it? The Kid Jensen session and the demo released on The Top reissue?

- Is the version of "Pirate Ships" on the Disintegration remaster the same as the version that was online for years in low quality?

yes and yes, as far as i recall. the reissue version of 'ariel' is a demo, though i grew accustomed to hearing the kid jensen version for ages... 'pirate ships' is definitely a stunner. and as for your other question, yes- the first few drum clicks on 'shake dog shake' are cut on the top remaster. no real idea why, likely a mistake...

[jmtd]

Looks like the the full version of this still hasn't surfaced.

Can anyone provide me an mp3 of this condensed version, preferably not a YouTube rip?

I have a copy of the luther episode with the song in the outro credits ripped from iplayer via get_iplayer. As far as I am aware this makes non-transcoded copy of the compressed A/V from iplayer. Theoretically the broadcast on freesat will have been in a higher rate, so a rip from DVB would be better but I am unaware of one. The audio codec for my rip is

Audio: aac (LC) (mp4a / 0x6134706D), 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp, 93 kb/s (default)

I can try and trim out the audio losslessly (as in: without any further transcoding) Tomorrow, if that's any good for you

[Ryan]

I have a copy of the luther episode with the song in the outro credits ripped from iplayer via get_iplayer. As far as I am aware this makes non-transcoded copy of the compressed A/V from iplayer. Theoretically the broadcast on freesat will have been in a higher rate, so a rip from DVB would be better but I am unaware of one. The audio codec for my rip is

Audio: aac (LC) (mp4a / 0x6134706D), 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp, 93 kb/s (default)

I can try and trim out the audio losslessly (as in: without any further transcoding) Tomorrow, if that's any good for you

That'd be awesome if you have time, thanks!

[jmtd]

That'd be awesome if you have time, thanks!

np. PM'd. ten

[Shadaloo]

Hearing this would be cool because I like stuff and things.

[Ryan]

np. PM'd. ten

Thanks man.

Back to the prior topic of song titles not being consistent, a particular one I have a problem with is "Hey You!". In some places it has three exclamation marks like Hot Hot Hot!!!, but elsewhere like the 2006 remaster it just has the one.

So is it Hey You! and Hot Hot Hot!!!

or Hey You!!! and Hot Hot Hot!!! ?

and How Beautiful You Are... or How Beautiful You Are ?

and Love Song or Lovesong ?

and In Between Days or Inbetween Days ?

and The Love Cats or The Lovecats ?

and Lament or La Ment ?

and Bird Mad Girl or Birdmad Girl ?


Grrrr.

Oh, and, A Few Hours After This... has three dots at the end on Join The Dots, but none printed on the actual In Between Days single.

Off To Sleep... from Lost Wishes has three dots printed on the cassette though.

And the ultimate biggest fucking one is this! "Inbetween Days (Without You)" - https://www.discogs.com/Cure-InBetwe...elease/1786849

then Robert goes and names a song Without You in 2008 as a b-side. *head explodes*

[Shadaloo]

In the case of the last, supposedly the story behind the song is that Robert saw a body being lifted out of the waters of a river called La Ment (whose location I can find no reference to). But it appears as "Lament" on its very first appearance on the flexipop single. So....who knows? That one bugs me.

[Ryan]

In the case of the last, supposedly the story behind the song is that Robert saw a body being lifted out of the waters of a river called La Ment (whose location I can find no reference to). But it appears as "Lament" on its very first appearance on the flexipop single. So....who knows? That one bugs me.

That makes sense, since the lyric goes "A man walked cold and blue into La Ment," naming the river. Maybe Bob just couldn't make up his mind whether he wanted people to read it as the river name or the actual word "Lament" like how you lament when someone dies.

ps, Check out the additional edits I just made to my last post. lol

[Ryan]

Does anyone have the 4:13 Dream live performance in Rome? I have it but there are skips and errors in a few of the tracks.

[Ryan]

And another question before I forget:

How did the (Mix 13) versions of The Only One, Freakshow, Sleep When I'm Dead and The Perfect Boy differ to the album mixes? They always sounded the same to me.

[Uraki14]

And another question before I forget:

How did the (Mix 13) versions of The Only One, Freakshow, Sleep When I'm Dead and The Perfect Boy differ to the album mixes? They always sounded the same to me.

I always thought that as well. I will say the mix for the Only One music video always seemed cleaner to me than what appeared on the album.

[Ryan]

What songs do you guys make correlations between?

An obvious one for me is Spilt Milk and This Is A Lie - the idea that we settle with one person in our lives and miss out on opportunities with other potential soul mates and such, and the depression that comes with that notion.

Also, Bare and Where The Birds Always Sing:

"But memory's not life, and it's not love"

>

"But living on in others, in memories and dreams, is not enough, and it never is, you always want so much more than this"

The idea that the poetic idea of living on in memories is bullshit and we all want to believe in an afterlife (or an afterlove?)

[Shadaloo]

Siamese Twins:

"Girl at the window looks at me for an hour..."

Watching Me Fall:

"The room is small, the room is bright
Her hair is black, the bed is white"

This Morning:

"And then we're here in a room too clean and too bright
She stares at you for an hour, you stare into the light

For one last hour in the room, so mean and so white
I stare at her in this room as she stares into the night"

Seems to be a continous set of references between the three songs to a woman in a too-clean white room, staring for an hour, the subject matter of Watching me Fall is unquestionably that of prostitution, and I've heard it interpreted that Siamese Twins was specifically about losing one's virginity to a prostitute. If that's what happened the experience might have left quite a bad mark on Robert for life.

[eversonpoe]

Siamese Twins:

"Girl at the window looks at me for an hour..."

Watching Me Fall:

"The room is small, the room is bright
Her hair is black, the bed is white"

This Morning:

"And then we're here in a room too clean and too bright
She stares at you for an hour, you stare into the light

For one last hour in the room, so mean and so white
I stare at her in this room as she stares into the night"

Seems to be a continous set of references between the three songs to a woman in a too-clean white room, staring for an hour, the subject matter of Watching me Fall is unquestionably that of prostitution, and I've heard it interpreted that Siamese Twins was specifically about losing one's virginity to a prostitute. If that's what happened the experience might have left quite a bad mark on Robert for life.

also, in one hundred years:

"just a piece of new meat in a clean room"

[armogi]

Hawaii tonight!

[Ryan]

Looking forward to this set list.