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Gone down a Billy Corgan ludicrous things rabbit hole - what the fuck is this? You'd think being paid to advertise stuff he'd be able to afford a cardigan that fitted him! Check out his midriff showing at the end.
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As someone who has gone back and forth on Billy and the Pumpkins post ‘07/08, I didn’t expect to like the singles so far as much as I actually have. A bit of a guilty pleasure maybe, but based on the YouTube comments which are normally toxic as hell, he actually seems to have struck a cord with the masses too which is nice, albeit mostly for his ego.
It doesn’t seem to be the direction I would have preferred they went, but female vox mixed with Billy always seems to go down well for me.
I really enjoyed the Zeitgeist era, found a lot of the stuff after it pretty sub par until Oceania, which I loved. The Teargarden stuff that didn’t get recorded was actually pretty awesome, especially the Spirits in the Sky sessions, but of course fell apart in the studio as well as in execution. Didn’t care for MTAE, maybe even less so with SAOSB. But hoping this can be a bit of a return to form, at least for SP 2.0 or whatever you want to call it.
Of course who doesn’t want more Jimmy and James, and I do hope they are featured more here than we’ve seen so far, it is a double record after all. Worst case sure it continues on a bit of a streak of mediocrity, especially compared to his grunge contemporaries, but the only one who should ever be tormented by that is Billy.
His solo records recently have been his best work in the last 5-7 years, so I see either outcome as an absolute win.
Some of his cringey stuff aside, Billy is still one of the best guitar players I’ve ever seen, and those first 5-6 records will always have a special place in my heart, so fuck yeah, I wish him and the guys all the best. Looking forward to finding moments to enjoy from Cyr, surely with 20 tracks there will be at least a few!
Last edited by valiantsteed; 10-20-2020 at 12:31 AM.
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Oh my god
a 50+ songs tracklist for complete Machina 1+2 (and that's without bsides)
I need some air fuuuck
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YES. YES. YES.Originally Posted by fillow
apart from Adore this was the reissue I’ve wanted the most
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I mean Billy just announced a whole lot of stuff, but this is most exciting thing for me personally
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Breaking it down for those who missed it
-Final Machina tracklist, not including extra tracks on bonus discs etc: 50-51 songs. They are currently mixing.
-Shiny V3, which is 10 songs, is about 75% done
-The next album after Shiny V3 will be a 33-song "rock opera' continuing the Zero/Glass character arc
-When they tour again they want to do celebration shows for MCIS and Machina, big budget affairs a la Shiny tour, celebrating the atmosphere of the albums, it won't be just "Playing the whole thing from start to finish."
50, 51 fucking songs. Fuck me I'm in a great mood
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^^
He said Shiny#3 goes after the 33-song opus. What you said was the original plan, but it's changed now.
With that said, none of this comes out as BC just jinxed it.
I can only imagine after all these years of working on Machina, how many years will it take him to sort through and remix the unreleased Zwan material, which supposedly next one on the reissues campaign.
Last edited by fillow; 10-22-2020 at 11:12 AM.
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EDIT on rewatching: Yep, Volume 3 is after the MCIS "Sequel" record.
Last edited by Shadaloo; 10-22-2020 at 03:37 PM.
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I'm actually really pumped about all of this news! In fact, I have to say I find ALL of this news more exciting that the new album that's about to drop (haha!). Though some of the new Cyr songs have grown on me, I must admit. Wrath and the last couple that dropped (Anno Satana and Birch Grove) are pretty good. I'm really intrigued to see how this 33-song sequel album turns out, though. Pretty ballsy to drop two double albums back to back.Breaking it down for those who missed it
-Final Machina tracklist, not including extra tracks on bonus discs etc: 50-51 songs. They are currently mixing.
-Shiny V3, which is 10 songs, is about 75% done
-The next album after Shiny V3 will be a 33-song "rock opera' continuing the Zero/Glass character arc
-When they tour again they want to do celebration shows for MCIS and Machina, big budget affairs a la Shiny tour, celebrating the atmosphere of the albums, it won't be just "Playing the whole thing from start to finish."
50, 51 fucking songs. Fuck me I'm in a great mood
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I could keep up with MCIS and TAFH, but this is going to be a full time job for these! Dat Machina news, tho.
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The last 10 pages of this thread go on about what a loser piece of shit Billy is and how he sucks.....He announces a new Machina deluxe package and suddenly everyone falls down over themselves with tongues wagging in sheer joy
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Sure if you're only reading posts by like two, three people
It's also possible to dislike someone and look forward to their work, especially when it's a work 20 years in the making
Weird, I know
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Every artist I own albums of, I respect and like as a person...I dont own any albums by musicians I hate so I find it fascinating when people hate a musician and think they are worthless pieces of shit and then buy their albums
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We will see how much of this actually happens and is of quality...
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Mellon Collie and the More Infinite Sadness
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Speaking for myself, I don't hate Billy at all. I think he can be kind of a dick, but that behavior is directly informed by the fact that he pretty obviously has severe narcissistic personality disorder and as a consequence tends to not understand how his actions and words impact others. When he's hurt, he lashes out like a small child.
Simply put: he has a mental illness. Combine that with the fact that he's basically been living in a bubble of fame surrounded by yes-men since young adulthood, and I'm not at all surprised at the way he tends to behave.
There are plenty of artists I don't give the benefit of the doubt in that way.
Anyway, I'm as cautiously optimistic about all this as others. Would be lying if I didn't say i do wonder if Shiny V3 might be incorporated into this new album or canned outright.
Seems to me like Bill wants to look at MCIS/Machina/??? as his conceptual trilogy in kind of a Robert Smith Pornography/Disintegration/Bloodflowers way - albums that plainly have nothing to do with each other but the artist establishes links between, heh.
All else in theory, 50 Machina tracks...that's enough to send me over the moon for today. My 3 disc Machina has 32 tracks, one of each version of everything off MI and II, not counting covers. So 19-odd tracks out of nowhere...I wonder if Pale Scales is one of them.
Last edited by Shadaloo; 10-22-2020 at 06:22 PM.
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A sequel to Mellon Collie? We got that already. It was called Adore, and it was great.
A sequel to Machina? We haven't even gotten to see the true first movie yet. We only got a disjointed theatrical cut with some unfinished deleted scenes.
Is Billy gonna actually work with Flood and Alan Moulder on this sequel? Because their involvement with the originals are just as important as the band itself and their sound. I do not want to hear Rick Rubin's Mellon Collie/Machina sequel.
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In a way this is so sad and so cringe. Billy's new music is irrelevant. His concerts are mostly played in half empty venues. He is the epitome of "washed up has been"....So now he is doing a sequel to a 25 year old album that was made when he was last relevant.....It would be like if we were in an alternate universe and Kurt Cobain was still alive and washed up and then in 2020 Kurt announces he is doing a sequel to Nevermind.....This is Billy's last grasp to save his career.
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25 years...damn. I remember grabbing it the weekend after release date. I have the guitar tab book behind me...I'm so old.
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He just confirmed on his Q&A Flood will not be involved, and that the additional Machina tracks are part previously unheard recordings and part new ones.
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He's gone full George Lucas! Probably re-recorded vocal and guitar parts as well... I'm worried...
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That part is more than a little worrisome...
This made me LOL
...and yeah, there's definitely potential for that to be the case with many of the previously unheard recordings, MAYBE even a few of the Machina II tracks, but I really doubt he'll mess with Machina I.
Last edited by sonic_discord; 10-23-2020 at 01:47 AM.
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I'm not too concerned. He always said it was never completed as he wished so not entirely surprised either. Worst case scenario, that's what the skip button is for...or personal playlists.
50 songs is what, 4, 5 CDs? For anyone making the case this is a bloated effort, trimming new songs might help
Academically speaking, this'll be a real test to see if he can emulate his older stylings well.
IIRC he said in 2013 he wanted to bring the M1 material closer to the feel of the Arising incarnations. A 'darker' album.
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When Billy sees the enthusiasm for the Mellon Collie and Machina info and none for the Shiny Vol. 3 stuff, he's going to decide at the last minute to cancel all of the plans and release Vol. 3, 4 and 5 on the same day with endless vinyl variants convincing Jimmy and James to quit again at which time he will announce a "return to rock" record that ends up being 9 synthpop tracks with the drummer from Poison playing on an electronic kit and lyrics from a 7th grade schoolgirl's creative writing poetry journal.
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Here we are, 25 years. I remember hearing the title track and awaiting it to kick in with "Tonight, Tonight." Then that intro hit, and my life changed...no hyperbole. The feels. Have to give it a listen today.
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Reading the wiki and had a thought: does anyone listen to the Pistachio Medley? I mean other than the one first time?
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So its a sequel but no Flood...LMFAO its already a massive fail. Gonna take a wild guess and say no D'Arcy either
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maybe once every 3 or 4 months when I’m doing a full listen through of TAFH lol
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I find the whole character playing nonsense convoluted and pretentious. I didn't like Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie because of a character. I liked it because of the music. Machina felt like the album where Billy tried to force a character/story into the band and it all fell apart.
Apparently the band was just playing a dysfunctional band in interviews and playing characters live. So does that mean the whole Billy vs D'arcy feud was all part of the sham? Was Billy shitting on the rest of the band in the credits of the boxset reissues was all part of the game?
I don't know. It feels disingenuous to me. A bit like retconning when he says SD and MC was always a character. They act like making the music they did was just a character they created and can slip into whenever they want. I don't think that is true. Billy and Jimmy are gonna have to prove it then on this sequel album.
Also, where is James? It bugs me he wasn't included.
I also don't care about some artsy farsty rehearsed theater stageplay show. We got the Shiny stageplay experience. Get the band back together in the studio again. That'll be a start. I just wanna hear a band having fun and in tune with one another. I wanna see the band that was able to jam together and go off on crazy tangents. Not a show that needs to be mapped to a click track and timeline.
Is the sequel album gonna be called Transmutation?
Last edited by neorev; 10-24-2020 at 09:56 PM.
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It's Pastichio. The amount of people typoing/autocorrecting the title is maddening – ruins the (admittedly a bit cringey) joke! (Sorry if it was just autocorrect in your case, but the point stands.)
But yeah, I basically listened to it once as a 20 minute ride and again split up into its itty bitty parts. Kind of a fun insight into all the good shit laying around the archives at the time, but full songs are obviously better... except Die, which is fine as it is.
Anybody examined it on the Aeroplane vinyl? Curious how it's edited. I'm sure it just fades out early or something lame like that.
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