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    Quote Originally Posted by onthewall2983 View Post
    Another incredible keyboard player from the band's history, and another sad day for fans of progressive music. He had an utterly unique approach and sound on the piano. I've heard a lot about Septober Energy (Sid Smith writes about the recording session in his biography of the band) and the other Fripp-produced albums he mentions in that link, but haven't actively tracked down copies... I'm curious to hear it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onthewall2983 View Post
    That is brilliant!

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    why wasn't this released as part of the last year's alternate tracks series!?!?

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    Just found I think

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    This looks like one of the best Elements box sets yet! Nice to have all of that stuff from disc 2 in one place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    This looks like one of the best Elements box sets yet! Nice to have all of that stuff from disc 2 in one place.
    I'm stoked for you, Peoria! Hahaha. Seriously, though, I just NEED to hear how "Exiles" sounded in 2017, that alone is reason enough to buy this...

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    Excited for Elements and Jakko, especially the three KC tracks. Will be ordering both.

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    More tasty details from the Schizoid Shop:


    • Ultimate Boxed Set Edition of one of rock music’s seminal debut albums.
    • Blu-Ray 4 features all-new, 2020, Dolby Atmos mix by Steven Wilson.
    • Complete, fully mixed stereo recording sessions feature on Blu-Ray, DVD & across 6 CDs
    • Blu-Rays also feature the original master edition of the 1969 album mix in 24/96 stereo, the 2019 stereo & 5.1 mixes, the 2009 stereo & 5.1 mixes, a complete alternate album comprising 2019 mixes & more.
    • "Let's Make a Hit Waxing" - single CD 'in the studio with the band' mixed & compiled by David Singleton - also features in 24/48 on DVD & 24/96 hi-res on Blu-Ray.
    • 13 further CDs present all known live recordings of the band, BBC sessions, a CD compilation of Giles, Giles & Fripp material (1968) & all studio recordings & alt takes of the main album.
    • Presented in an album sized box with outer slipcase, containing a 12" booklet featuring an intro from Robert Fripp, notes about the source tapes by David Singleton, sleeve-notes by King Crimson biographer Sid Smith & previously unseen photos from the recording sessions plus memorabilia.
    • Artwork derived from 2019 scans of the original paintings, meticulously restored.
    • The eighth boxed set in the series documenting King Crimson’s studio & live recordings from 1969 onwards.


    All box sets sold in this shop automatically will receive a mask featuring the "Moon Man" from the In The Court artwork. (These masks are made of fabric. They are not N95 approved masks. They are not anti-microbial. Please follow CDC guidelines for mask usage.)

    “…Let’s make a hit waxing…” – studio chatter on recording sessions, 1969

    The complete audio history of one of the most important debut albums of all time is presented across 26 discs in this boxed set. Featuring a new Dolby Atmos mix by Steven Wilson, 6 CDs' worth of session material on CD & Blu-Ray for the first time (fully mixed by David Singleton), a further disc of newly compiled studio material, the box also includes the original studio album, every alternate take known to exist, every mix known to exist, all live recordings known to exist & a selection of pre/Crimson 1968 recordings.

    The set - as with the previous boxed seven sets in the series - is housed in a vinyl sized box complete with a booklet featuring an introduction by Robert Fripp, notes about the source tapes from David Singleton, sleeve-notes by King Crimson biographer Sid Smith, previously unseen photos from the recordings sessions, additional memorabilia & a protective outer sleeve.

    “…an uncanny masterpiece” – Pete Townshend, 1969

    It’s a quote that’s forever associated with the album. It was used in advertising at the time of release. Unlike many claims made in advertising it has, like the album it heralded, stood the test of time. It’s easy to forget how quickly things moved for the first incarnation of King Crimson: Formed January 13th 1969; by late Spring they were regulars on stage at the likes of The Marquee and The Speakeasy clubs & performed with Tyrannosaurus Rex at The Lyceum, during May recorded the first of two BBC sessions, initial album recording sessions in June & then, in early July – the big breakthrough – played to 650,000 people in Hyde Park supporting The Rolling Stones, the album recorded in July/August, signed to Island Records (& Atlantic in the USA), missed the Isle of Wight festival due to illness/exhaustion, more gigs & a second BBC session in August, broadcast in September, a Top 5 charting, unanimously lauded album in the UK, followed by a Top 30 debut in the USA weeks later, toured the USA – with concert appearances at legendary venues such as the Boston Tea Party, Chicago’s Kinetic Playground, New York’s Fillmore East & another appearance on a bill with The Rolling Stones – this time at a Miami festival & then, following a series of December appearances at the Fillmore West in San Francisco, it was over, as quickly as it had begun – the arc for the band from formation to dissolution had taken barely more than 11 months, leaving behind an iconic – both musically and in terms of cover art - self-produced debut album, a fearsome live reputation & the sense of a band that, in its brief period of existence, set its own agenda.

    This boxed set collects every existing note that the band played - from the live gigs to the complete studio sessions, the album itself, plus every alternative take & all mixes of the album including the original mix, the 40th and 50th anniversary mixes in stereo & surround sound & a brand new Dolby Atmos mix - the ultimate edition of the quintessential debut album.

    Familiar sources, fresh sounds...
    Having done 5.1 Surround Sound mixes for both the 40th & 50th anniversary editions of the album, Steven Wilson was able to take full advantage of the opportunities offered by Atmos mixing, allowing for far greater movement within the mix itself. As he put it: "I've definitely had a bit more fun with the Atmos mix, watch out for solos and mellotrons circling overhead!" While the improv section of 'Moonchild' is a particular beneficiary of this approach, the mix is very active, with plenty of ear-catching moments to offer to listeners.

    Likewise, significant work on the multi-track tapes was undertaken by David Singleton - who mixed all of the existing multi-track sessions recordings to stereo as well as running the single track CD length 'Let's Make a Hit Waxing' - from those same tapes. "Listening to the original recording sessions was astonishing. Time collapses and you are suddenly there in the studio with a young band, just starting out, as they experiment with recording their first album. It is not so much listening to a slick product, more witnessing a process. You are present at the birth."

    King Crimson has returned many times since that birth and in many different line-ups – each different from its predecessor and, with two concerts at The Palladium in late 2018 & three shows at The Royal Albert Hall in June, 2019, the current band has played to more people in London, the city in which it began, than at any point since 1969 & in the process, played more of the material from 1969 than any line-up since the original. The current line-up has, on more than one occasion, been described as “the best live band in the world” – something that also used to be said of the original band.


    Complete disc contents * :

    Blu-Rays NTSC, Zone ABC, playable on all BD players. DVD playable on all DVD players & drives. DVD-A playable on all DVD players**
    CD 1: Live at Hyde Park, July 5th 1969
    CD 2: Live at The Marquee, July 6th 1969
    CD 3: Plumpton Festival, August 9th 1969
    CD 4: Live at Chesterfield, September 9th 1969 (new master) disc 1
    CD 5: Live at Chesterfield, September 9th 1969 (new master) disc 2
    CD 6: Fillmore East, November 21st/22nd 1969
    CD 7: Fillmore West, December 14th/15th 1969
    CD 8: Original master edition expanded
    CD 9: Alternate album expanded
    CD 10: 2009 mix plus additional material
    CD 11: 2019 mixes expanded
    CD12: Let's Make A Hit Waxing
    CDs 13- 18: Complete Recording Sessions
    DVD 19: Complete Recording Sessions, Let's Make a Hit Waxing (24/48 stereo) Stormy Selections (16/48)
    DVD-A 20: 2019 stereo, 5.1 & instrumental mixes. Original master edition album mix (24/48)
    Blu-Ray 21: Complete Recording Sessions (24/96 stereo), Chesterfield, Giles, Giles & Fripp (24/192)
    Blu-Ray 22: 2009 mixes in stereo & 5.1, Additional Material & alternate album (2009 stereo mixes) (24/96)
    Blu-Ray 23: 2019 mixes in stereo, 5.1, original master edition, alt. album, additional material (24/96)
    Blu-Ray 24: 2020 Dolby Atmos Mix by Steven Wilson, I Talk to The Wind (Duo version, Surround mix), Let's Make a Hit Waxing (24/96)
    CD 25: Giles, Giles & Fripp (new master)
    CD 26: BBC Sessions, Trees
    Discs 1-3, 6 & 7 have been audio restored at DGM to remove hiss & other noise from earlier editions but with original DGM mastering to optimise original sound sources. Discs 4 & 5 present the complete concert on disc in a new transfer & master from the original cassette source - at least one generation better than previously presented. All material on Discs 1- 7 originally taken from audience or band recordings. Discs 12 - 18 are all new to disc & mixed from the original multi-track tapes. Disc 25 is taken from a new transfer & newly mastered from the original tapes. Material on disc 19 is new to disc. Material on discs 20 is new to DVD-A. Material on discs 21,22 & 24 is new to Blu-Ray.
    * resolution of material for DVD, DVD-A & Blu-Ray correct as at time of writing, resolution of remaining material to be determined at point of mastering.

    **all material playable on DVD players. Lossless audio accessible only on DVD-A compatible players.


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    And because it wouldn't fit in one post, the track list for each disc:


    Disc 1 Live at Hyde Park
    1 21st Century Schizoid Man
    2 The Court of the Crimson King
    3 Get Thy Bearings
    4 Announcement (Incomplete)
    5 Epitaph
    6 Mantra
    7 Travel Weary Capricorn
    8 Mars
    9 Band Reunion Meeting

    Disc 2 Live at the Marquee
    1 21st Century Schizoid Man
    2 Drop In
    3 Announcement (Incomplete)
    4 I Talk To The Wind
    5 Epitaph (Incomplete)
    6 Travel Weary Capricorn
    7 Improv (inc. Nola and Etude No. 7)
    8 Mars

    Disc 3 Live at Plumpton Festival
    1 21st Century Schizoid Man
    2 Get Thy Bearings
    3 Announcement
    4 The Court Of The Crimson King
    5 Mantra
    6 Travel Weary Capricorn
    7 Improv
    8 Mars

    Disc 4 Live at Chesterfield
    1 21st Century Schizoid Man
    2 Drop In
    3 Announcement
    4 Epitaph
    5 Get Thy Bearings
    6 Announcement
    7 I Talk To The Wind

    Disc 5 Live at Chesterfield
    1 Announcement
    2 The Court Of The Crimson King
    3 Mantra
    4 Travel Weary Capricorn
    5 Improv
    6 Mars

    Disc 6 Live at the Fillmore East
    1 The Court Of The Crimson King (Incomplete)
    2 Announcement
    3 A Man, A City
    4 Announcement
    5 Epitaph
    6 Announcement
    7 21st Century Schizoid Man
    8 The Court Of The Crimson King (Incomplete)
    9 Announcement
    10 A Man, A City
    11 Announcement
    12 Epitaph
    13 Announcement
    14 21st Century Schizoid Man

    Disc 7 Live at the Fillmore West
    1 Mantra
    2 Travel Weary Capricorn
    3 Improv: Travel Bleary Capricorn
    4 Mars
    5 The Court of the Crimson King
    6 Announcement
    7 Drop In
    8 A Man, A City
    9 Announcement
    10 Epitaph
    11 Announcement
    12 21st Century Schizoid Man
    13 Announcement
    14 Mars

    Disc 8 Album - Original Master Edition - expanded
    1 21st Century Schizoid Man
    2 I Talk to the Wind
    3 Epitaph
    4 Moonchild
    5 The Court of the Crimson King
    6 21st Century Schizoid Man
    7 I Talk to the Wind
    8 Epitaph
    9 The Court of the Crimson King (Single A Side)
    10 The Court of the Crimson King (Single B Side)

    Disc 9 Alternate album - expanded
    1 Wind Session
    2 21st Century Schizoid Man (Morgan Studio Version with Overdubs)
    3 I Talk To The Wind (Alt 2019 Mix)
    4 I Talk To The Wind (Duo Version 2019 Mix)
    5 Epitaph (Isolated Vocal 2019 Mix)
    6 Epitaph (Alt Take 2019 Mix)
    7 Moonchild (Take One 2019 Mix)
    8 The Court of the Crimson King (Take 3 2019 Mix)
    9 21st Century Schizoid Man (Trio Version 2019 Mix)

    Disc 10 2009 Album Mixes - expanded
    1 21st Century Schizoid Man
    2 I Talk to the Wind
    3 Epitaph
    4 Moonchild
    5 The Court of the Crimson King
    6 Moonchild [Full Version]
    7 I Talk to the Wind [Duo Version]
    8 I Talk to the Wind [Alternate Mix]
    9 Epitaph [Backing Track]
    10 Wind Session [21st Century Schizoid Man Intro]

    Disc 11 2019 Album Mixes & Instrumental Mixes
    1 21st Century Schizoid Man
    2 I Talk to the Wind
    3 Epitaph
    4 Moonchild
    5 The Court of the Crimson King
    6 21st Century Schizoid Man
    7 I Talk to the Wind
    8 Epitaph
    9 Moonchild (Edit)
    10 The Court of the Crimson King

    Disc 12 Let's Make a Hit Waxing
    1 Let's Make a Hit Waxing

    Disc 13 Sessions Disc 1
    1 21st Century Schizoid Man (Morgan Studio Instrumental)
    2 Epitaph Takes 1 to 3
    3 Epitaph Takes 4 to 8
    4 I Talk to the Wind Takes 1 to 4

    Disc 14 Sessions Disc 2
    1 I Talk to the Wind Takes 5 to 8
    2 I Talk to the Wind Takes 9 to 12
    3 The Court of the Crimson King Stereo Takes

    Disc 15 Sessions Disc 3
    1 The Court of the Crimson King Take 6
    2 The Court of the Crimson King Take 1 and 2
    3 The Court of the Crimson King Takes 3 to 7
    4 The Court of the Crimson King Takes 8 to 10
    5 The Court of the Crimson King Trailer Take 1

    Disc 16 Sessions Disc 4
    1 The Court of the Crimson King (Stormy Mix)
    2 I Talk to the Wind Takes 3 to 6
    3 I Talk to the Wind Takes 7 to 9
    4 I Talk to the Wind Early Take
    5 Drum Check
    6 21st Century Schizoid Man Sax Sound Check
    7 Ahh (Stormy Mix)
    8 I Talk to the Wind (Stormy Mix)

    Disc 17 Sessions Disc 5
    1 Epitaph Takes 1 to 3
    2 Epitaph Takes 5 - 11
    3 Epitaph Take 2 (Stormy Mix)

    Disc 18 Sessions Disc 6
    1 Moonchild Takes 1 to 8
    2 Moonchild Take 9 (complete)
    3 Trailer Take and Take Overdubbed
    4 Pipe Organ Takes
    5 Wind Noise Takes
    6 The Court of the Crimson King Takes

    Disc 19 DVD
    24/48 Complete Studio Sessions
    24/48 Let's Make a Hit Waxing
    16/48 Stormy Selections

    Disc 20 DVD-A
    24/48 Original Master Edition
    24/48 2019 album mixes in hi-res stereo and 5.1 Surround
    Hyde Park Film Snippet (mono audio)

    Disc 21 Blu-Ray
    24/192 Giles, Giles and Fripp - as per CD 25
    24/96 Complete Studio Sessions
    24/192 Live at Chesterfield Jazz Club

    Disc 22 Blu-Ray
    24/96 2009 Hi-Res Stereo and 5.1 Surround Mixes
    24/96 Additional audio and Alternate album from the 2009 mixes
    24/48 Original 1969 vinyl needledrops of UK stereo & US Mono Promo LPs
    24/48 Original 1969 Mono UK Single A and B Sides and US Promo Single A Side

    Disc 23 Blu-Ray
    24/96 2019 Mixes in Stereo, 5.1 Surround and Instrumental Mixes
    24/96 Original Master Edition
    24/96 2019 Alternate Album and Additional Material Mixes
    Hyde Park Film Snippet (mono audio)

    Disc 24 Blu-Ray
    Atmos 2020 Dolby Atmos Mix
    24/96 I Talk to the Wind (duo version) 5.1 Surround *
    * audio through four channels only
    24/96 Let's Make a Hit Waxing

    Disc 25 Selected Recordings 1968 (Giles, Giles and Fripp)

    1 Tremelo Study in A Major (Spanish Suite)
    2 Suite No. 1
    3 Scrivens
    4 Why Don't You Just Drop In (i)
    5 I Talk to the Wind (i)
    6 Plastic Pennies
    7 Passages of Time
    8 Under the Sky (ii)
    9 I Talk to the Wind (ii)
    10 Erudite Eyes
    11 Make it Today (ii)
    12 Wonderland
    13 Why Don't You Just Drop In (ii)
    14 She is Loaded

    Disc 26 BBC Sessions and Trees

    1 21st Century Schizoid Man
    2 Epitaph
    3 The Court of the Crimson King
    4 I Talk to the Wind
    5 Get Thy Bearings
    6 Trees (Live at Fairfield Hall, Croydon)

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    I just wish this had the "Moonchild" edit from one of the compilation box sets from the early 2000's

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    lol...


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    Quote Originally Posted by onthewall2983 View Post
    I just wish this had the "Moonchild" edit from one of the compilation box sets from the early 2000's
    The 3:37 edit? From 21st Century Guide (not the one on streaming, tho, when that happened). I definitely prefer it to the 2-minute edit.

    Honestly, the 9 minute Moonchild edit from the 40th mix is my preferred method of listening. I think RF cut the part of the improv that should have been cut anyway (the 'plink plonk'), but they either had no time or didn't care enough to do at the time.

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    John Kelman, the reviewer for AllAboutJazz who has done several deep-dive reviews on all the KC megaboxes, has further broken down exactly what is on the new box compared with previous editions/releases. His full review will be posted later, but it's still good to get a bit more detail. I'm excited!

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    Jakko's new solo album Secrets and Lies is out today!

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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    Jakko's new solo album Secrets and Lies is out today!
    And it's excellent, particularly (and predictably?) Separation. I loved the excerpt of it on Elements 2014 and the full song does not disappoint. The rest is more 'standard Jakko' fare despite Uncertain Times and Under Lock & Key also being slated for radCrim (my other two early favourites – hmmm!).

    I gotta say it doesn't live up to The Bruised Romantic Glee Club, but then again, how could it? That one had much longer to gestate and covered far more ground. I think it'll remain Jakko's solo apex.

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    Finally got my mitts on The Complete 1969 Recordings! Just finished the first two CDs back-to-back. What an incredible buzz it must have been to see this band in the flesh...

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    Amazing interview with Jeremy Stacey about joining King Crimson under the extraordinary circumstances of having to learn all of Bill Rieflin's incredible drum and keyboard parts — then adding his own ones later, before finally taking on even more when Bill sadly had to leave the band while his illness turned terminal. Amazing insight into what an incredible feat Jeremy had to accomplish, under the time crunch of rehearsals.

    First 45 minutes is mostly background about Jeremy's life and approach to drumming, the story starts just after that. Open in YouTube so the browser fart noise doesn't drown out the conversation...

    Last edited by botley; 04-01-2021 at 05:05 AM.

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    Gavin’s solo on “Schizoid Man” from Music Is Our Friend (which comes out today) is blowing my mind

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    Cannot wait to see it and buy it. Particularly happy it was re-edited to focus more on Bill Rieflin (RIP).

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    Quote Originally Posted by seasonsinthesky View Post
    Cannot wait to see it and buy it. Particularly happy it was re-edited to focus more on Bill Rieflin (RIP).
    I am still enormously sad about Bill's passing, and I suspect (given the hints dropped so far about the content of this film) the documentary will be unflinching in its portrayal of his ordeal while still touring with them in 2018. If you are curious about Bill's final act, and have the means to purchase it, I would highly recommend picking up Within, Without, Vol. 1 from the Schizoid Shop. A devastating read but very cathartic.

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    Can't wait for the documentary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botley View Post
    ... and this image of Fripp pointing has become something of a meme among my buddy and I when we want to add a "thumbs up" of our own!

    Oh yeah — and what an amazing finale to the KC50 series today with that phenomenal suite of Radical Action/Meltdown from the forthcoming documentary! Can't wait to hear the whole thing, now.
    High hopes that we'll still get at least the full documentary-specific performance as a bonus feature one of these days!

    And yes, this Fripp pointing image is still a great meme, as my birthday card from last year proves:


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