Gun Talk - News, Laws, etc.

[allegro]

How do people keep asking this question over and over again when it's so painfully obvious how they've become indoctrinated by the far right into believing all their bullshit conspiracy theories and white supremacist bullshit.

I don't think this was the case.

He shot up a bunch of mostly WHITE people in an affluent mostly white liberal suburb. He's an Italian-American kid who GREW UP in that suburb. There's something else going on with this dude. I watched his videos, listened to his "rap" stuff (I don't think you could even call it that, a lot of it was kind of ambient music, really). His music was pretty interesting, actually. He's a pretty intelligent guy, seems more like a idealist or someone who rejected law enforcement.

If anything, this kinda reminds me of a really extreme version of the movie "Heathers." Two of his vids are in schools, like with props where he's IN some kind of SCHOOL. Blackboards and lockers and everything.

https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/u...76c8b45ce.html

See this: https://www.yahoo.com/video/highland...002103309.html

Crimo had his own Discord server, where fans and people who knew him would chat. The community featured a politics board filled with nihilistic political memes. The most recent post before the shooting, which was posted in March, was a picture of Budd Dwyer, the Pennsylvania state treasurer who shot and killed himself on live television in the late 1980s, along with the caption, “I wish politicians still gave speeches like this.”

From his music and his vids, he seems pretty self-isolated. He lived with his uncle in Highwood (suburb just north of HP), he had the back of the house, his uncle had the rest; the news caught up with his uncle outside the house, and his uncle was totally shocked, said the kid "was quiet and kept to himself." Of course. Some of the guy's vids are him in the skateboard park in HP.

Here's a Rolling Stone article: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...tical-1377975/

An extremist profile with violence and gore, and involved in a conflict with law enforcement, with no affiliation with ideology or politics. It's just fetishizing violence. His vids are really stylized. The main one looks a little like the Pearl Jam "Jeremy" video.

New information: He told his family he'd kill everyone in 2019. HP Police removed 16 knives, a dagger and a sword and reported him to the IL State Police. At that time, he had no guns and no FOID card (in 9/19). Subsequently, the IL State Police did a background check for him to obtain a FOID and several high-powered weapons.


Here's a really good thing on NPR about this: https://www.npr.org/2022/07/05/11098...s-into-a-new-t

[otnavuskire]

I don't think this was the case.

He shot up a bunch of mostly WHITE people.

A third of the population of where he did it is Jewish.

[allegro]

A third of the population of where he did it is Jewish.

That's an estimate by some Jewish organizations, but I know many Jewish people who argue with that number and believe it's far lower. We do have a lot of Jewish people in Highland Park, yes. My Jewel supermarket up the street has a kosher section and two rabbis. But, there are a LOT of Jewish communities in Chicago's North Shore, including but not limited Northbrook, Glencoe, and ESPECIALLY Skokie (probably THE biggest population of Jews). Most of the people here AREN'T Jewish.


Some of the kid's videos look like fucking "Call of Duty" for Christ sake.

Edit: A Rabbi at a Temple in HP said he recognized the kid from a visit he made some time ago but he wasn’t armed. He wondered if the kid was casing the place but he doesn’t know.


The guy is still alive. There will be a trial. Maybe we will find out why he did it. Not sure.

We are still trying to heal, here. Businesses are still closed down. We are still broken-hearted and mourning. The Cardinal is conducting Mass at Immaculate Conception here tonight. VP Kamala Harris is coming to visit at any minute. Downtown is still littered with people’s stuff, because it’s a crime scene. We have a safe, quiet community, here. It’s bullshit when ANY community is shattered by senseless violence. When it’s your own community, it’s surreal.


Meanwhile, I'm more pissed off that the STATE POLICE gave this asshole a FOID CARD and APPROVED his purchasing SEVERAL high-powered assault rifles. If you see the videos from the scene, he's mod'd them so they sound fully-auto.

News reporters are up the street from me at the police HQ, and there's PORTA POTTIES out there for them.

This shouldn't have ever happened. It was avoidable. He warned people that he'd do this. The local HP Police listened and reported it, removed his weapons. The State Police gave him weapons. We need better state laws. I assume this will happen but it will be too late for the 7 dead people.

People could report that kid's videos to YouTube and NOTHING happens. Due to free speech. People die due to 1A and 2A.


Peter Strauss, whose father, Steve (88), was killed in the shooting, said this:

I’m a psychologist, and so my feeling is that there are many people with undiagnosed and untreated mental illnesses that are, occasionally, sometimes, gun owners, and that the combination is as lethal as I learned yesterday.

I do feel like civilians owning military weapons is ridiculous.

[cdm]

I've typed and deleted and typed and deleted again...at least 4 times. I just cannot properly assemble the words.

[allegro]

The GOP candidate for Governor, Darren Bailey, a total right-wing wack job, was on TV yesterday telling people to "move on" and to celebrate the 4th.

I hope that's enough to motivate people NOT to vote for that clown.

[allegro]

The two-yr-old found orphaned at the scene?

Both of his parents were killed.

35-yr-old Irina McCarthy and 37-yr-old Kevin McCarthy of Highland Park.

We were all really upset as they were trying to find this baby’s parents, yesterday.

Omg.

The Feds need to charge this guy with terrorism.

Illinois needs new red flag laws asap.

[Frozen Beach]

I don't think anything will ever change. It will be a neverending back and forth. I have no faith in this system anymore. And I don't think we'll ever know why people like this do this shit, unless one just talks like Edward Kemper.

[cdm]

The Feds need to charge this guy with terrorism.

There’s no way he’d be convicted of terrorism given the way the statute is written.

[allegro]

There’s no way he’d be convicted of terrorism given the way the statute is written.

That’s true, unfortunately.

Edit: Illinois needs a Terrorism law. Michigan has one.

[allegro]

So, now there’s reports that the shooter had threatened to kill himself, and had wanted to purchase an AR when he was 20 but was too young … so his Dad acted as a SPONSOR for the kid’s FOID card.

Here’s a photo of his Dad’s Twitter feed, btw:

https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/ZE_6..._content=photo

[Jinsai]

his son is acting suicidal, so he helps him get the gun that is the "mass shooter gun?" At no point were the alarm bells ringing faintly? I swear these 2nd amendment proponents put the blinders on for absolutely everything when it comes to protecting this country's gun rights fetish.

[cdm]

A serious society would use this as a roadmap to make meaningful change in who does and does not get to purchase a firearm.

[allegro]

Per WaPo:

The man accused of opening fire at a crowd watching a Fourth of July parade in Highland Park seriously considered committing another shooting in Wisconsin afterward, police said Wednesday. 
Robert E. Crimo III, 21, was driving around after the attack and contemplated using a rifle he had in his car to shoot more people at a celebration in Madison, said Christopher Covelli, a spokesman for the Lake County Major Crime Task Force.


[…]
During the hearing, Assistant State’s Attorney Ben Dillon said that investigators reviewed surveillance footage and cellphone videos from parade attendees that showed Crimo using a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 semiautomatic rifle, which investigators say he obtained at a local gun store in 2020.


After officers recognized him from the surveillance footage, Crimo was taken into custody at about 6:25 p.m. and confessed to Highland Park police, Dillon said. He told investigators that he had dressed like a woman and covered his tattoos with makeup “because people would recognize him.”

Dillon added that the suspect confessed that he had fired three full 30-round magazines at the crowd. Investigators found the three magazines and 83 spent shell casings on the roof from where he opened fire.

Edit: Reports are that he actually DROVE TO Madison, had an assault rifle in the car, but decided against it because he hadn’t “planned” it thoroughly.

[allegro]

The parents of this shooter should be held liable for this carnage.

They hired a high-profile attorney; shooter gets a public defender:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...17382.html?amp

The kid’s parents are a shit show:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/highland-...s-former-coach

https://www.arlingtoncardinal.com/20...rade-shooting/

https://www.the-sun.com/news/5716488...se-pesina/amp/

https://meaww.com/amp/robert-crimosp...mestic-battery

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...red-court.html

[ickyvicky]

The parents should ABSOLUTELY be held accountable for this.

Ethan Crumbley, who shot up a school in Michigan - whose parents also helped him buy a gun - is now going to be a witness in his parents' trial soon. Whatever outcome this may have, will definitely impact future cases. https://nypost.com/2022/06/27/accuse...parents-trial/

[allegate]

edit:

[allegate]

unopposed you say.

[poinoup]

[allegate]

Music Midtown canceled

Catch up quick: In May, guns-rights activist Phillip Evans argued that short-term operators of public venues — in this case, Music Midtown, which rents the park from the city — could not restrict guns at their events, Saporta Report reported at the time.

[allegate]

@allegro I think you'll enjoy this particular thread.

oh wow, this is amazing.

That phone has texts on it from two years ago. Hmm, what happened less than two years ago? January 6th.

The number of people who are going to be saying "Alex who?" is going to be huge. I wonder how many lawyers will get phone calls today to get in front of whatever this is going to turn into.

[ickyvicky]

By "mistake" - GOOD, lol

[allegate]

Alex is in deep doo doo.

Child porn found in documents Alex Jones sent to lawyers of Sandy Hook families, court filing says
Jones denies any knowledge of the images, and Infowars describes the emails as a "malware attack attempting to embed" child porn on their servers.

[marodi]

"I had several different phones with this number, like 20 of them. So when you asked me that question, I answered it thinking you were talking about phone #3 but if you were talking about phone #12, then yeah; good for you, Perry Mason; you've got me. What is this about again and why am I here? What year is this? etc"

Duuuuude. My mom, bless her heart, has this highly annoying habit of answering a "yes or no" question with an explanation going back to the Big Bang. She doesn't do it on purpose, though. Jones is like Trump: always trying to drown an embarrassing question with a word salad.

[allegate]

After watching this there's no way the lawyer didn't do this on purpose.

can't figure the link for an mp4, but it's the moment Alex is handed the texts in question today and he realizes that it's not at all what he thought it would be.

https://i.imgur.com/0YCEIi8.mp4

[bobbie solo]

another $45 million in punitive damages against Jones today. He filed for bankruptcy. And more penalties are coming his way bc more similar trials from other Sandy Hook parents are still to come. Dude is fucked and I hope he shotguns himself.

[allegate]

More of this and less "high road", Democrats.

[bobbie solo]

More of this and less "high road", Democrats.

Pfftttt no way. I prefer their "sitting on our hands" strategy that's worked really well for the past 40 years.

[allegro]

More of this and less "high road", Democrats.

The last AWBpassed because lots of Republicans backed it in the Senate. Reagan supported it.

The House BARELY passed it because rural Democrats were against it at the time.


Remember, the last AWB was due to a school shooting in CA … in 1989.

[allegate]

"unhinged" is getting a lot of work lately.

[allegate]

New MAGA ad on Texas televisions:

Oh, sorry, not that MAGA: Moms Against Greg Abbott.