NIN Spotting 2021

**Max** · 05-21-2021, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Helpmeiaminhell

This could be filed under 'almost NIN spotting 2021'

Some guy called into Howard Stern a couple days ago and asked if he will ever have Trent as a guest on the show. Howard went on about how much he loves NIN and would love to have TR in studio. He said they have asked TRs publicist numerous times to appear on the show and have not gotten any sort of response so I guess thats a no....In the last few weeks thats Marc Maron and Howard Stern who said they would love to have TR as a guest but have been rebuffed

And for people who still think this is 1995 Howard who will just ask TR about strippers. Not exactly. Howards interviews these days are a lot more in depth and personal. TR would be great on Stern or Marons show but I guess he would rather do obscure podcasts instead

Man I LOVED the interview with Lizzy Goodman. And she's not obscure. She is a journalist who has written for Rolling Stone and NYTimes and has a major book out.

Howard Stern is the worst. Marc Maron is pretty great. I'd listen to that. But fillow is probably right about there not being an opportunity for a lot of new stories to be told.

My sense after all of these years is that Trent Reznor is an extremely private person who prefers not to reveal a lot about his personal life outside of his lyrics. The best we are going to get is to hear about the creative process and that was happening a lot in this recent podcast.

**allegate** · 05-21-2021, 08:48 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/nin/comment...m_source=share

Really strange post on Reddit. Pretty random for sure.

**fillow** · 05-22-2021, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by allegate

https://www.reddit.com/r/nin/comment...m_source=share

Really strange post on Reddit. Pretty random for sure.

His posts history suggests that maybe he's not full of shit. He did post a lot about various instrumentals and promo rips

**sweeterthan** · 05-24-2021, 12:42 PM

I moved the conversational posts about interviews into random nin comments since that seems more appropriate for these tangents. https://www.echoingthesound.org/comm...955#post534955

**elevenism** · 05-25-2021, 03:32 AM

Alright. Which one of you is this?

So this is a growing YouTube channel about NIN and it's almost all analysis from a music theory standpoint, if you're into that sort of thing.
?

**spahn** · 05-25-2021, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by elevenism

Alright. Which one of you is this?

So this is a growing YouTube channel about NIN and it's almost all analysis from a music theory standpoint, if you're into that sort of thing.
?

her videos have been posted several times around here already. she has some pretty good information about music theory and overall breakdown of instruments, sounds, etc.
I particularly enjoy the video you mention above and the one she did about a warm place, was pretty damn good.

**elevenism** · 05-25-2021, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by spahn

her videos have been posted several times around here already. she has some pretty good information about music theory and overall breakdown of instruments, sounds, etc.
I particularly enjoy the video you mention above and the one she did about a warm place, was pretty damn good.

Oh, word?

I know one thing: I'd be very, very intimidated trying to play in a band with this lady.
"I said mixolydian and you flatted the FOURTH!"

**mfte** · 05-25-2021, 08:16 AM

You'd likely learn A LOT really quickly in that scenario.

**Indefinite_Cure** · 05-25-2021, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by elevenism

Oh, word?

I know one thing: I'd be very, very intimidated trying to play in a band with this lady.
"I said mixolydian and you flatted the FOURTH!"

Hmm, not to be "that guy" but...the fourth cannot really be "flatted" in a mixolydian mode. A fourth can either be diminished, perfect or augmented. A diminished fourth is equivalent to a major third. In a mixolydian mode, the fourth degree is a perfect fourth from the fundamental, which means, if, still in a mixolydian mode, the fourth degree was to be flatted, it would essentially result in playing the 3rd degree of the scale twice and then jumping to the 5th.

In other words, here is an example:

Mixolydian C scale:
C-D-E-F-G-A-Bflat-C

Moxilydian C scale with flatted fourth:
C-D-E-Fflat-G-A-Bflat-C

F flat = E

In a lydian mode however, the fourth is augmented, which means flatting it would result in changing your lydian mode to a ionian mode (basically a major scale).

C lydian:
C-D-E-F#-G-A-B-C

C lydian with flatted fourth:
C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C

/end musical theory rant.

**WorzelG** · 05-25-2021, 11:59 AM

Music is so fucking complicated. I don’t understand a word of that, lately I’ve been using Simply Piano and got to a state where I can do simple things with 2 hands and then I end up wondering why I bother

**wizfan** · 05-25-2021, 01:22 PM

New interview with Charlie Clouser which, of course, has a few NIN mentions: https://heavyocity.com/artist/charlie-clouser/

**vav** · 05-25-2021, 01:31 PM

https://soundcloud.com/neilcic/mouthdreams

skip to 40:09

**sweeterthan** · 05-25-2021, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by vav

https://soundcloud.com/neilcic/mouthdreams

skip to 40:09

more like 41:30ish

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**gamecat235** · 05-25-2021, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by sweeterthan

more like 41:30ish

But then you'll miss the weirdest rickroll ever (NIN-related even).

**elevenism** · 05-25-2021, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Indefinite_Cure

Hmm, not to be "that guy" but...the fourth cannot really be "flatted" in a mixolydian mode. A fourth can either be diminished, perfect or augmented. A diminished fourth is equivalent to a major third. In a mixolydian mode, the fourth degree is a perfect fourth from the fundamental, which means, if, still in a mixolydian mode, the fourth degree was to be flatted, it would essentially result in playing the 3rd degree of the scale twice and then jumping to the 5th.

In other words, here is an example:

Mixolydian C scale:
C-D-E-F-G-A-Bflat-C

Moxilydian C scale with flatted fourth:
C-D-E-Fflat-G-A-Bflat-C

F flat = E

In a lydian mode however, the fourth is augmented, which means flatting it would result in changing your lydian mode to a ionian mode (basically a major scale).

C lydian:
C-D-E-F#-G-A-B-C

C lydian with flatted fourth:
C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C

/end musical theory rant.

it was a fucking JOKE...a joke based on the fact that mixolydian is ionian with the seventh dropped by a semi tone, and the joke being that a.flat fourth would be outside the mode.
Not that ANY of that shit necessarily has ANYTHING to do with being able to play an instrument.

Edit: didn't mean to be so harsh, there, @Indefinite_Cure . I was fucking piiiiised yesterday, and not at you. So I lightened it up a bit.

**sweeterthan** · 05-25-2021, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by gamecat235

But then you'll miss the weirdest rickroll ever (NIN-related even).

i deleted it at first because it’s a full minute of rick roll.

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**fillow** · 05-26-2021, 01:55 AM

Rob posted a bunch of NIN videos to his youtube portfolio. I'm sure we're seen all this footage already, but it's nice anyway

Bonus: Disappointed (posted a few months ago)

**allegate** · 05-26-2021, 02:57 PM

Looking at a local record store website and see they have Ghosts V and VI for sale. Weird. I click through and sure enough they're actually selling the digital files for $7.99 or the individual songs for $.99. How bizarre.

Ghosts V: Together
Format: Digital
Label: The Null Corporation
Rel. Date: 03/27/2020
UPC: 859738056342

Ghosts VI: Locusts
Format: Digital
Label: The Null Corporation
Rel. Date: 03/27/2020
UPC: 859738055437

other strange items:

God Break Down The Door - Single
Format: Digital
Label: The Null Corporation
Rel. Date: 05/17/2018
UPC: 859726745104

Recoiled
Format: CD
Label: CLDS
Catalog: 1105832
Rel. Date: 04/01/2014
UPC: 5060174956799

Reznor sent over the original multi-tracks and DATs to Hyde/Christopherson, who independently mixed versions and then met to synch both creations, molding them into these master versions. Recoiled includes five lengthy compositions are pre-Ableton/laptop generation type priest song creations, with the use of baby alarms and numerous wires to create bespoke effects. These legendary tracks were always rumored to exist and, only the due diligence of a dedicated NIN forum who hunted them down, are released/unleashed for your listening pleasure.

That one sounds kind of recursive in regards to spotting.

Karaoke - Nine Inch Nails
Format: Digital
Label: 2011 Ameritz Music Ltd
Rel. Date: 11/22/2011
UPC: 886788298507

I do kind of want this?

**piggy** · 05-26-2021, 03:04 PM

Those Ghosts volumes have been for sale digitally on Amazon and other major digital outlets for a long time.

**allegate** · 05-26-2021, 03:47 PM

Interesting. I guess my question now is why? I went to the nin.store.com and sure enough they're still there for free.

**piggy** · 05-26-2021, 10:08 PM

I have no idea. I think The Slip may have also been for sale digitally during the time that it was available for free from NIN.

**Leviathant** · 05-26-2021, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by allegate

Interesting. I guess my question now is why? I went to the nin.store.com and sure enough they're still there for free.

The original Ghosts was released as a free download as well. There were, of course, physical editions available too - but after a little while, Ghosts showed up on iTunes and other digital storefronts.

If you heard NIN had a new album out, and you were 100% bought into iTunes, you'd search for Nine Inch Nails and wouldn't be able to download Ghosts. People on iTunes expect to pay for music, so... you could buy Ghosts. Even though it was free.

**Thor** · 05-27-2021, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by allegate

Interesting. I guess my question now is why? I went to the nin.store.com and sure enough they're still there for free.

Capitalism.

**otnavuskire** · 05-27-2021, 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by Leviathant

The original Ghosts was released as a free download as well. There were, of course, physical editions available too - but after a little while, Ghosts showed up on iTunes and other digital storefronts.

If you heard NIN had a new album out, and you were 100% bought into iTunes, you'd search for Nine Inch Nails and wouldn't be able to download Ghosts. People on iTunes expect to pay for music, so... you could buy Ghosts. Even though it was free.

I'm pretty sure only Ghosts I was free. If you wanted the rest you had to pay.

**MrLobster** · 05-27-2021, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by otnavuskire

I'm pretty sure only Ghosts I was free. If you wanted the rest you had to pay.

NIN wiki - The Slip

**otnavuskire** · 05-27-2021, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by MrLobster

NIN wiki - The Slip

I'm talking about Ghosts I-IV. The free download from nin.com only included Ghosts I. If you wanted all four it was a $5 download.

**Max** · 05-27-2021, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by WorzelG

Music is so fucking complicated. I don’t understand a word of that, lately I’ve been using Simply Piano and got to a state where I can do simple things with 2 hands and then I end up wondering why I bother

keep at it! I am using Playground Sessions and I am about at the same place. In my forties. But here is a reason to keep going: think about it: Many of the musicians we love picked up a guitar or drums or keys as a teenager. A lazy ass m, goofing off teenager. By their 20’s they are playing arena shows and having people write books about them.

it doesn’t take that long to learn enough to make something is my point. Are we going to be Beethoven? No, but fuck that guy. Can we make expressive original music that has something to say? At least as well as a teenager, maybe better. We know how to learn things, know how to be disciplined, know what we want, and all of that is to our advantage.

so be kind to yourself. If you are putting in the time to learn this you are way ahead of anyone just sitting on the couch wishing and fantasizing about where they could be in life.

You are already doing it. You are already a musician. You are in the road, now just keep getting better.

**WorzelG** · 05-27-2021, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Max

keep at it! I am using Playground Sessions and I am about at the same place. In my forties. But here is a reason to keep going: think about it: Many of the musicians we love picked up a guitar or drums or keys as a teenager. A lazy ass m, goofing off teenager. By their 20’s they are playing arena shows and having people write books about them.

it doesn’t take that long to learn enough to make something is my point. Are we going to be Beethoven? No, but fuck that guy. Can we make expressive original music that has something to say? At least as well as a teenager, maybe better. We know how to learn things, know how to be disciplined, know what we want, and all of that is to our advantage.

so be kind to yourself. If you are putting in the time to learn this you are way ahead of anyone just sitting on the couch wishing and fantasizing about where they could be in life.

You are already doing it. You are already a musician. You are in the road, now just keep getting better.

Thanks Max - yes I will keep at it, it's just a goal to be able to play The Frail - which seems simple but when you get to it, isn't!

**imail724** · 05-27-2021, 12:31 PM

We Sat Down With Some of the Other Guys From NIN, Because Who Knows, One of Them Might Be My Dad

**Leviathant** · 05-27-2021, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by otnavuskire

I'm talking about Ghosts I-IV. The free download from nin.com only included Ghosts I. If you wanted all four it was a $5 download.

Upon reflection, I may have conflated Ghosts and The Slip, because I'm an old now.

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