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Just noticed the red/orange "Hesitation Marks" t-shirts have disappeared from the NIN store.
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When they were up it said only available for preorder until 6-14.Originally Posted by jmtd
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Butt rats... I checked the store a week or so ago and didn't see shit and now I missed a red/orange TShirt. I hope they sell it again later because I do not desire a black one.
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I just had a look through Rob's Demonbaby account and let's just say I'm glad he stuck with graphic design and not stand-up comedy.
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Yeah, it's been this way since as long as I can remember. With that said, ETS is still much better than many other music communities I've encountered and it is really pleasant as a whole. I come here to escape the other communities.
Banned
There is definitely a line drawn in the sand of PRE-With Teeth NIN and POST With Teeth NIN.....It seems liek the main opinion with the media and a lot of NIn fans is that TR's best material was 1989-1999 and everything starting around 2005 has been....ordinary at best
Josh Wink was on HLAH
TFA, Still and Deep fall where in this? Trent didn't just stop doing stuff after TF.
And also, you're talking nonsense.
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I don't think there's much of a difference in pre-1999 NIN and after-1999 NIN. Sure, less angst, but the music isn't too different. TR changes the sound on every album. Year Zero is a classic, too.
Throbbing Member
Did you see the Facebook comments when Came Back Haunted was released! Seemed vast amount of older NIN fans were scathing. I was surprised at the amount of negativity. Saw the word Embarrassing mentioned a lot. People saying NIN 'truly ended after The Fragile', '1988-1999' etc etc blah blah blah.
The sound was very different last decade and it didnt connect with a lot of people. Im not saying it was good or bad but there was a difference.
BTW i think that Deep is in the top 10 NIN songs of all time.
Josh Wink was on HLAH
The last decade connected with so many people, just because it didn't connect with someone who was 12 when PHM came out doesn't mean it's less good. You can't compare reaction of fans pre-facebook to post-facebook, human beings are horrible and will be vicious about everything given the chance.
NIN is NIN is NIN to me. There's changes in subject matter, and improvements in his musical ability (no way could 1989 Trent create Ghosts), but it's still NIN. If you view The Fragile as his magnum opus, you really should check out Year Zero or PHM or Ghosts. Wayyyy less Starfuckers on those.
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You can replace Came Back Haunted with any of the other things Trent has done post-The Fragile and it would still be the same. If there's one thing fans love more than the music, it's complaining about it.
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If thinking CBH is embarrassing but shit like Kinda I Want To and Where is Everybody? isn't, I don't want to be right.
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That was a very poorly put together sentence but you get my drift.
she/her/hers
i love Kinda I Want To and i've really never understood the hate for that song.
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Me neither!
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I will. I'll get back with you on that.
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I would say "Still" and "Deep" are part of the 1999-2001 Fragile era....There is a LOT of people who seem to think post Fragile era NIN is shit. (I don't agree, but I also don't think Trent has come close to matching his 1989-2001 material)...anyone who thinks With Teeth and The Slip are as highly regarded in the NIN community as Broken or TDS is smoking crack, that's like saying Wild Mood Swings by The Cure is as highly regarded as Pornography or Exciter by Depeche Mode is as highly regarded as Violator....That's just the facts, it does seem that there's a 1989-2001 NIN and then the post sobriety NIN (starting from WT to now)
I was nobody. Nothing.
If you're talking about everything post '05 being "ordinary at best," i couldn't agree more. I absolutely LOVE every single nin album, and i especially love year zero. And no, this isn't due to age...i started listening to nin when broken came out and i'm 33.
I have to agree with what some of you are saying about the general vibe being negative now though. I mean, i was constantly on ETS during the ARG, and if my memory serves me correctly (i stay pretty high so it might not,) everyone here was REALLY excited...thrilled, even, about YZ and even the Slip.
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Seriously guys, like I said, it's ALWAYS been like this.
The trouble is people tend to build a relationship with the music and then Trent ___________ and they feel betrayed, let down, etc. and the break up goes horribly. Sometimes, it's like the ex-girlfriend I had way back when who used to call me up and tell me how she was gonna throw herself in front of a bus because I wouldn't get back together with her.
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^^^i'm sure I read an interview where Trent said someone waited by the tour bus for hours to tell him, to his face, that the Downward Spiral sucked
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Is it really a "trouble" that people voice their thoughts on new music from bands they enjoy? Is there a need to address their discussions on a forum like an issue and polarize the camp as either "yes men" or "bitter assholes"? Where's the nuance in being a fan and discussing the ups and downs of a piece of art? We're not talking politics here (which also could use some nuance), we're voicing our often passionate and different views on music, much like Trent does to musicians all the time. Hint, Chris Cornell's adventures with Timbaland and Trent's amusing and hard hitting POV's.
Last edited by hobochic; 06-17-2013 at 06:04 AM.
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I would love if you linked me to some of those posts. I've clearly missed them
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To be fair it would have been nice if Reznor had consulted me.......
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I'm not trying to quell discussion of any sort. The question was raised as to whether or not the curmudgeonly attitude of the fan base was a new thing. I cited the fact that it wasn't. Shouldn't people be just as free to critique the fan base as the music? Don't you think that helps in remaining objective in our views?
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wait, Trent's pun on Chris was rude and undeserved. god i wish H.M. kicks as much ass.
I was nobody. Nothing.
I'm with you. I keep repeating this...i love ALL the nails albums, and they are my favorite band of all time. I was 12 when broken came out, backtracked to phm, and yes, i fucking LOVE YZ and the Slip (which always felt like an ep to me anyway.) I really don't understand all the bitching...i was around ets for the arg and wave goodbye and whatnot, and all i remember is people being super excited.
I still fucking LOVE pretty hate machine (i hear older fans saying it doesn't "speak" to them anymore sometimes,) i LOVE with teeth...maybe i'm just a fanboy. yeah, i'm tired of HLAH and closer and THTF but good lord...i just don't get it, people talking about everything after '99 being "half assed" or "sold out" or whatever the fuck. I have a brother who is 19 mos younger than me and he hates everything after tds, and he was there with me at nin shows as far back as '94, and his dislike of albums like YZ just blows my mind.
I do have a "least favorite album," which would be ghosts, but that's probably just due to the lack of vocals.
NIN is NIN to me too, and as long as Trent is still making records, i'll be a happy man.
Edit: sorry y'all...i posted something very similar last night i guess. I stay too damn high.
Last edited by elevenism; 06-17-2013 at 01:36 PM.
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Year Zero for me represented a time of renewed interest in NIN which slightly waned after WT, which, with the exception of BYIT and ATLITW, was just too much of a straight forward rock record to suit my tastes. YZ remains my second favorite NIN and even though it kinda tanked sales wise at the time, it's having a much bigger influence. You can hear it in Deadmau5, Skrillex and even Kanye. Since YZ everything has moved away from hip hop to techo and all it's sub genres.
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Listening to With_Teeth now and I still remember the first time I heard "Love Is Not Enough" at the Fresno gig in early 2005. That song is such a powerful opener....then with the arena tour and the screens.....man, it's kinda exciting listening to all the songs again and having a flood of memories come back
desperately chilled
there's also a line drawn in the sand for most people that signifies when we were in middle/high school and whe we went to college/hit the real world and priorities and tastes shifted and expanded (and some of that fan base just plain grew up).
not to mention the changes in the musical climate and the post-sober work ethic. and of course, nostalgia factoring in with the mystery and excitement in the fledgling internet/heavy speculation phase between albums when it would be front page coverage at the slightest hint of news.
also covered in previous posts by debunking everyone's ridiculous expectations of what someone should be doing with their art.
long story short- nostalgia makes everything seem better from a distance. sometimes it really WAS better back then. sometimes, you're the one with the problem.
Throbbing Member
That's something I've never quite understood. Trent's never released anything that wasn't the absolute best at what it was doing. If you're looking at it subjectively, there's obviously going to be releases that you enjoy over others. In my case it's The Fragile. He'll probably never put anything out that I like as much as that record, but that's just aesthetics. I like the strings, the harsh but still organic sounding synths, and the overall broken sound of that album, but I realize that that's not what With Teeth was trying to do. It's sterile, analogue, and quickly paced. But it's still the best album with that general sound that there is. That's why you can't judge a NIN album based on your preference to another NIN album.
He's one of the most eclectic musicians there is (albeit with a very unique style that reverberates through each album no matter how different it may be) and he never returns to the same sound. If you want The Downward Spiral 2.0 you're going to be disappointed 100% of the time. What you can expect is something that will sound different from everything he's done up to this point. You can expect it to achieve technical excellence, you can expect it to sound fresh even in the current over-saturated state of the music industry, and you can expect it to pave the way for a whole new group of artists inside their own genres. As long as he's breaking new ground when he tries to, and as long as what he releases is as unlike anything else as his releases always have been, I'll never be let down, and as far as I'm concerned I hope he never does repeat his past, and that every release truly surprises me with it's style.
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