Sexual Abuse/Assault in the News

[frankie teardrop]

Kind of hard to really even feel this accusation is credible when anyone can make an anonymous Twitter account and make such an accusation. In fact, last night in a 4chan thread, people were talking about doing one that accuses Trent. Internet is a dangerous game.

I can't hang with this, simply because women are attacked regularly for coming forward with this information. Think about those who posted from their own personal accounts and have been shunned.

The next step(s) would be for journalists to get in touch and verify the story accordingly (looks like there is PLENTY of evidence to trace), but it is generally crummy to doubt the person coming forward simply due to the medium they feel comfortable.

[elevenism]

Kind of hard to really even feel this accusation is credible when anyone can make an anonymous Twitter account and make such an accusation. In fact, last night in a 4chan thread, people were talking about doing one that accuses Trent. Internet is a dangerous game.

The thing is though, I find it VERY believable.

[Sarah K]

wElL hE dIdN't MeAn To RaPe HeR.

Y'all are fucking ridiculous.

[Frozen Beach]

I can't hang with this, simply because women are attacked regularly for coming forward with this information. Think about those who posted from their own personal accounts and have been shunned.

The next step(s) would be for journalists to get in touch and verify the story accordingly (looks like there is PLENTY of evidence to trace), but it is generally crummy to doubt the person coming forward simply due to the medium they feel comfortable.

Sad truth is people, regardless of how they accuse, will be attacked for it because fans will be in strong denial of it. Even the John K accusers were attacked, despite them having one of the best increminating articles.

But yes, this person should reach out to a journalist.

[BRoswell]

The way I see it, I can't say that this person was raped, because I don't know that for a fact, but I can say that they believe they were raped, and that's a serious issue that should be dealt with. That said, unless there's some sort of proof provided by either party, it's going to end up being her word against his, and there isn't much that can be done about that unless this person wants to take him to court.

[botley]

Yup.
Take a look.
It's pretty fucked up. It's women talking about the musicians (not the other way around) and will make you pretty sick.

Yeah, the culture of transactional sex is lurid, it's hard to look at, but before social media, in some respects this type of gossiping and anonymous sharing of data was all that these women had as a means of preparation for attempting to have some intimate contact with their idols. MetalSludge is framing it in an especially headline grabbing, masculine centering "these DIRTY WOMEN compared the size of their CONQUESTS' COCKS" way because that grabs their audience's attention. But if you read the sources from the women themselves, there are notes like "here is how this person likes to play, kinds of kinks they may have, drug issues, etc." as a means of weeding out men who some might consider off limits for various reasons. Understanding and empathising with that is not too difficult, really. And now we have #metoo self-reportage, because there is a transparent, instantaneous platform for telling these stories.

[elevenism]

Yeah, the culture of transactional sex is lurid, it's hard to look at, but before social media, in some respects this type of gossiping and anonymous sharing of data was all that these women had as a means of preparation for attempting to have some intimate contact with their idols. MetalSludge is framing it in an especially headline grabbing, masculine centering "these DIRTY WOMEN compared the size of their CONQUESTS' COCKS" way because that grabs their audience's attention. But if you read the sources from the women themselves, there are notes like "here is how this person likes to play, kinds of kinks they may have, etc." as a means of weeding out men who some might consider off limits for various reasons. Understanding and empathising with that is not too difficult, really. And now we have #metoo self reporting because there is a transparent, instantaneous platform for telling these stories.

Oh, I read the whole thing.
I'm not indicting the women here, @botley , I'm just saying it was a lot of stuff i'd probably rather not have known and am trying to forget

I wound up there as a result of some rabbit hole or another; I did not decide to click on it because of the title

[elevenism]

Goddamnit y'all.
I'm sorry.

I'm just...fuck. This is just about more than I can take .

I shouldn't be making excuses for him.

I just didn't want it to be real.

Please forgive my initial reaction.

[sweeterthan]

Ugh this thread.

I read the twitter account and, yeah. I believe it 100%. Let’s face it. I love his music but maynard has always been a creep. The more apparent it is, the more intolerable he becomes. The last two times I’ve seen his bands, I haven’t seen him at all coz he hides in the back like a coward. Maybe he’s afraid we’ll all see him for what he is.

[Swykk]

I’ll be honest, I believe it because of the overt disregard MJK has for seemingly everyone. His interviews are barely readable/watchable/listenable.

[cdm]

Goddamnit y'all.
I'm sorry.

I'm just...fuck. This is just about more than I can take .

I shouldn't be making excuses for him.

I just didn't want it to be real.

Please forgive my initial reaction.

I deleted my reaction to your reaction. I'm glad you had a chance to clarify your thoughts.

[Louie_Cypher]

pretty good watch
=Louie

[playwithfire]

Dude, you just linked us to a suuuuper long video and didn't contextualize it at all for us.

[cdm]

Seems to be picking up some steam (coverage, that is)...

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/maynard...a-fan-in-2000/

[theimage13]

I'd like to post this just as something to ponder.

I will preface by saying, again, that I 100% believe this woman's story. As I generally do.

But...the Red Hen. You know, that restaurant that asked Sarah Sanders to please leave. It currently has over 15,000 reviews on yelp. Most of them negative. Funny thing is, it was a near 5-star restaurant until last week. But the owner did something that got Trump supporters' crusty panties in a twist, and so they took to the internet to post literally tens of thousands of fake reviews, fake photos, etc, online, in order to try to destroy someone. Similar things have happened at other restaurants. And on the other side of the political coin, people have been dumping on the pages of the baker who discriminates against gay couples.

My point is that this is 2018, and America is a dumpster fire. People are more frequently turning to the internet to lie through their teeth to bring down someone they don't like.

So if you see an anonymous person, with no evidence, make an extremely damning claim against a famous person...sadly, there is precedent to be skeptical now. It sucks. It makes it a lot harder to get justice. It makes it a lot harder for victims to find the courage to come forward. It's a huge fucking problem. But unfortunately, it's a real problem now. It's not a hypothetical or a what-if. Yes, mercifully it is still statistically just a fraction of a sliver of cases. But the fraction is, sadly, getting bigger, and that complicates things for everybody.

Again: I believe this person. But please don't jump down anyone's throat and tear them a new asshole for even suggesting that maybe something isn't as it seems on the surface, because deception has pretty much become our country's official standard operating procedure

[Halcyon]

I don’t understand why people are so quick to defend MJK. You’ve never met the man. I loved him as a teen, and hes a good vocalist I guess but for the past 10 years I’ve started to realize he’s the epitome of the iamverysmart subreddit and I think he actually tops Billy Corgan in terms of utter contempt for his fans

[ryanmcfly]

I'd like to post this just as something to ponder.

I will preface by saying, again, that I 100% believe this woman's story. As I generally do.

But...the Red Hen. You know, that restaurant that asked Sarah Sanders to please leave. It currently has over 15,000 reviews on yelp. Most of them negative. Funny thing is, it was a near 5-star restaurant until last week. But the owner did something that got Trump supporters' crusty panties in a twist, and so they took to the internet to post literally tens of thousands of fake reviews, fake photos, etc, online, in order to try to destroy someone. Similar things have happened at other restaurants. And on the other side of the political coin, people have been dumping on the pages of the baker who discriminates against gay couples.

My point is that this is 2018, and America is a dumpster fire. People are more frequently turning to the internet to lie through their teeth to bring down someone they don't like.

So if you see an anonymous person, with no evidence, make an extremely damning claim against a famous person...sadly, there is precedent to be skeptical now. It sucks. It makes it a lot harder to get justice. It makes it a lot harder for victims to find the courage to come forward. It's a huge fucking problem. But unfortunately, it's a real problem now. It's not a hypothetical or a what-if. Yes, mercifully it is still statistically just a fraction of a sliver of cases. But the fraction is, sadly, getting bigger, and that complicates things for everybody.

Again: I believe this person. But please don't jump down anyone's throat and tear them a new asshole for even suggesting that maybe something isn't as it seems on the surface, because deception has pretty much become our country's official standard operating procedure

Honestly, this summarizes my thoughts better than anything I can come up with.

[playwithfire]

I mean, like, someone alway go "this is awful if it's true, and I want to see how Maynard addresses it" and just... skip over the victim blaming. That's def an option.

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

so many of these musicians are being exposed as scumbags....I think the one guy you dont have to worry about being a deranged pervert is Mike Patton because he was the one guy from day 1 who said he would rather jack off to porn than ever deal with a groupie....And how has Anthony Kiedis survived the metoo movement? Not one girl has claimed AK has done anything? That guy spread his seed across the world for over 35 years

[M1ke]

I'm almost to the point of just assuming that every famous person who hasn't been accused of something already probably has done something and just not been called out yet.

[zecho]

If you guys were a jury, you'd convict a man after one half of the opening statements.

[sweeterthan]

If you guys were a jury, you'd convict a man after one half of the opening statements.

That’s not how a jury works. That is a court of law. This discussion is the court of public opinion.

[theimage13]

If you guys were a jury, you'd convict a man after one half of the opening statements.

Oh fuck off. I've served on a jury and done my due diligence. I've put a man behind bars. Which trial did you sit on?

And you might find this hard to understand, but there's a really big difference between people on the internet speculating about things and people in a jury box listening to evidence being presented by a prosecuting attorney and a defense attorney. Mercifully, if we were a jury, we'd understand those rules, just as we understand that we're not in the jury box now. Your local library probably has a book explaining the difference in case you need some clarification.

[Halcyon]

If you guys were a jury, you'd convict a man after one half of the opening statements.

I definitely wouldn’t choose to not believe a potential rape victim just because the potential rapist sang a song I liked, that’s for goddamn sure. Life’s bigger than that.

[Harry Seaward]

I guess my point here is that I know for a fact that people will in fact be invited backstage at the request of someone in power, and for very specific reasons.

This seems to be the one detail in the story that literally nobody in the universe debated.

I wish I didn't believe this story, but I absolutely do. I also wish that she'd felt able to get away from the situation before it escalated, but I do not blame her at all for not being able to. 17 year old girl (young woman) vs 36 year old man with martial arts experience and fame on HIS turf? I absolutely don't blame her for being frozen. This is why I advocate self-defense classes. Maybe it would have helped here. Then again, maybe it wouldn't have. But on top of the #1 way to reduce rape (which is to pound it into mens' heads to NOT FUCKING RAPE PEOPLE), giving women the confidence and skill to fight back is an important thing to do. Again, to be absolutely, positively clear, the woman is never at fault and it's 100% up to guys to not rape in the first place, but unless they magically stop doing it, I encourage people to do what it takes to standing a fighting chance.

I really can't imagine Maynard set out to rape her judging on this story alone. He's a rock star who had sex with a different woman every night. He probably had sex with plenty of chicks who wanted to be doing it but also didn't really get too actively involved in the process.

How much blame can we place on a guy in that position for interpreting a 17 year old girl leaving her boyfriend behind to come meet you, coming onto your tour bus, and getting in your bed as consent? I'm not saying it was consent or that she's to blame for not saying no, but from his point of view there's very little more consent one can give outside of just saying 'let's have sex.' So it seems like a dramatic overreaction to equate this in any way to forcible, active rape - which you're doing by implying that had she said 'no' it still would have kept going to the point where she'd need to physically fight back.

[Halcyon]

How much blame can we place on a guy in that position for interpreting a 17 year old girl leaving her boyfriend behind to come meet you, coming onto your tour bus, and getting in your bed as consent? I'm not saying it was consent or that she's to blame for not saying no, but from his point of view there's very little more consent one can give outside of just saying 'let's have sex.' So it seems like a dramatic overreaction to equate this in any way to forcible, active rape - which you're doing by implying that had she said 'no' it still would have kept going to the point where she'd need to physically fight back.

Her boyfriend wasn’t allowed to come backstage. Just because she came backstage and wanted to hang out with her favorite singer doesn’t mean she was wanting to fuck. Jesus, do you hear yourself?

[Harry Seaward]

Her boyfriend wasn’t allowed to come backstage. Just because she came backstage and wanted to hang out with her favorite singer doesn’t mean she was wanting to fuck. Jesus, do you hear yourself?

Did you read the part where I explicitly said that those actions do not equate to consent?

[telee.kom]

Aren't you guys at least little worried that this is completely anonymous accusation? Literally anyone could've wrote this. I'm not Maynard's fanboy or anything, but maybe hold on to your torches for a little while here.

[Toadflax]

For anyone doubting the story, a (male) friend of mine in high school saw APC in Australia on that tour and claimed that Maynard tried to drug his (female) friend. Same time period, same age of victim. I heard that story years ago and didn't really know what to make of it (i.e. it was plausible, but I didn't have enough details to pass any kind of judgment about its validity). Now I'm sure it's true.

[implanted_microchip]

there's very little more consent one can give outside of just saying 'let's have sex.'

That’s literally what getting consent is — actual agreement to an act. And the idea that a 36 year old man wouldn’t see the million things wrong about this situation (with a 17 year old no less) is so ridiculous. If you’re with a new potential partner you don’t just start doing things to that person without knowing in completely clear and vocal terms that it’s a mutual desire and to do anything less is gross and wrong and proof that the other person’s wants and interests are secondary to you.

This story is of someone luring a 17 year old fan into a private environment where that 17 year old had far less power than tbey did and using that imbalance to rape them. To act like it’s anything less is disgusting. The fact he says he can’t talk about things with her where other people are around is proof he knew what he was doing was wrong and that he needed to be isolated to get away with it.

There are tons of stories of him having sex with fans and it was out in the open and intent was clear. Why would he feel the need to hide his behavior in this case if he didn’t know it wasn’t alright? If you want to say you want to hear more before making up your mind that’s one thing but to view this as true and then still defend it is so wrong. If this is true, he raped a teenager. Rape doesn’t have to involve any more violence than the act itself consists of to count as rape. No one is comparing his behavior to the behavior of someone like BTK, but they are equating his behavior to what it is, which is rape.