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slave2thewage
11-25-2011, 08:43 AM
That's right, this is the return of the gay thread.

konstantin
11-25-2011, 09:04 AM
On this side of the pond it's also "talking about sports" now.

icklekitty
11-25-2011, 11:23 AM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv47j4S6Ce1qhotzx.gif

theruiner
11-26-2011, 12:36 AM
This is fucking amazing. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_TBd-UCwVAY)

Curse word needed for emphasis. Truly amazing.

icklekitty
11-26-2011, 07:48 AM
That worked a lot better on paper than in practice.

First of all, the storyteller is always automatically in the masculine/dominant role with the object of the gaze in the feminine role, therefore we kind of read that it's a man looking at a man - perhaps this would have worked with two women (but then the actual point wouldn't get across because porn). There was no subversion of film language here, so there was nothing set up to "trick" the viewer. Film theory 101 fail, essentially.

Also, the camera was physically in the shoes of a male. No attempt was made to make the camera "behave" like a woman. If the camera had been a few inches lower, it would have had a bit of an impact. The Prodigy's Smack My Bitch Up video is WAY more effective in this way.

konstantin
11-26-2011, 11:36 AM
That worked a lot better on paper than in practice.

sorry if i come across as a dick, but do you really think the point was to trick you? does the whole thing need to be "packaged" better so that you'd "buy" it?

icklekitty
11-26-2011, 12:54 PM
What else was it trying to do if not go "hey look it's a MAN he's doing all that stuff with! Gay marriage is just as valid as straight marriage, yo!"?

konstantin
11-26-2011, 01:28 PM
What else was it trying to do if not go "hey look it's a MAN he's doing all that stuff with! Gay marriage is just as valid as straight marriage, yo!"?
can't speak for whoever made that but i'm sure if they were trying to trick you they would have thrown in some macho stock scenes, of which there were none. because you know, a) gay people don't have to entertain you and b) they don't have to pretend they're exactly like straight people.

icklekitty
11-26-2011, 02:51 PM
That critique earlier was in terms of film language, not things happening in the film. I don't really know what you mean by "macho stock scenes" and how that would relate to tricking you. I'm not sure where I claimed that gay people should be entertaining and pretend they're exactly like straight people. Also,


can't speak for whoever made that but i'm sure if they were trying to trick you they would have...

Paradox - you are trying to speak for whoever made that.

slave2thewage
11-26-2011, 06:24 PM
Marriage? For homosexuals? Pff, they'll be wanting the vote next.

Christo
11-27-2011, 09:40 AM
Seeing an absolute babe at the moment.

slave2thewage
11-27-2011, 09:51 AM
Craig Colton?

Christo
11-27-2011, 10:01 AM
That wouldn't be good for my waistline

slave2thewage
11-27-2011, 10:09 AM
Can we kick him out of our sexuality? He brings the side down. Also, he's one plaid shirt away from being a dyke.

icklekitty
11-27-2011, 12:29 PM
I'm willing to bet that he likes fish fingers.

Ryan
11-28-2011, 07:44 AM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN_0XscbX6Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN_0XscbX6Y)

slave2thewage
12-02-2011, 09:30 AM
The gays do love Rammstein, though.

scorpiusdiamond
12-02-2011, 10:04 AM
New title is boss. Yess.

kel
12-02-2011, 10:33 AM
great new title, slave. eww, rammstein.

slave2thewage
12-02-2011, 03:33 PM
Rammstein = DILFs tbh.

isak
12-03-2011, 10:07 AM
FILTHY GAYS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFNs2mOkKzc)

dominik
12-03-2011, 11:19 AM
hello fellow homosexual people :o

icklekitty
12-03-2011, 11:38 AM
http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/misc.php?do=showrules

"By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws"


:'(

slave2thewage
12-03-2011, 12:37 PM
That is, like, the antithesis of ETS.

slave2thewage
12-04-2011, 11:53 AM
Homosexual Christmas party time! I plan on being an absolute bitch to the other gays and perhaps flirting with my friend's boyfriend that has a thing for me. Ta-ta!

isak
12-04-2011, 03:01 PM
anybody watched 'Weekend (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUU_WzRBHX4)'? It got really good reviews according to metacritic & rotten tomatoes. Proving quite difficult to find showings also.




^ Fail at BBCode

dominik
12-08-2011, 03:16 PM
Why is it so hard to find a normal, decent boy that just happens to be gay. Everyone that's good looking is either a complete princess, pussy, drug-addicted son of a bitch that has slept with everyone in the scene, sexually incompatible with me or a loser.

sheepdean
12-08-2011, 07:33 PM
Why is it so hard to find a normal, decent boy that just happens to be gay. Everyone that's good looking is either a complete princess, pussy, drug-addicted son of a bitch that has slept with everyone in the scene, sexually incompatible with me or a loser.
I would suggest lowering your standards, usually works for me

Hula
12-09-2011, 03:55 AM
My gender and sexual identity are all over the place but I guess this thread's cosy enough. *parks bum on the linoleum*

Tea
12-09-2011, 02:35 PM
What else was it trying to do if not go "hey look it's a MAN he's doing all that stuff with! Gay marriage is just as valid as straight marriage, yo!"?
I think it's more about feeling for the couple, trying to put you in their place, than actually trying to trick you. There is no trick when you show how loving and normal a gay couple is
I think it's a great video, since most things I've seen advocating gay rights are usually dead serious and playing the backed-off victim card. This is open.

icklekitty
12-09-2011, 03:04 PM
But in terms of film language, it's off. Since I finished uni I automatically do this with everything I watch and it's ruined so many films for me - not necessarily because they're bad, but I'm so preoccupied with what's the camera's doing that I don't soak up the plot. Fucking Laura Mulvey.

Hula
12-09-2011, 03:13 PM
Ickle, I agree. It definitely seems like the aim of the video is to show you a normal day in someone's life only to 'shock' you with the revelation that this person is afflicted with ~teh gay~ and yet perfectly capable of being a normal person just like the straight population. They wouldn't have given such an ambiguous camera angle if that hadn't been their intention.

I felt the same way you do about the perspective when I first saw it; it was literally the first thought that popped into my head and I left it feeling as though it would've had more impact if more effort had been made to create a faux-female perspective. I did initially think it would've worked better if it had been two women until I remembered that it's okay for two women to be in love because, as you say, porn.

Lutz
12-12-2011, 02:25 AM
I thought the video was disgusting and I blocked the fags who posted it on Facebook.

icklekitty
12-12-2011, 03:55 AM
The queers as ever have my back.

Lutz
12-12-2011, 05:41 AM
Jonah Mowry needs to lap up that attention while it lasts because it's going to be his totally hot twink brother who gets all the dick in that house.

Elke
12-12-2011, 06:22 AM
But in terms of film language, it's off.

Yup. BUT I think most people who don't overly analyze this stuff, will still be all 'woah, did not see that coming man' at the end. And I thought it was quite moving, so...

Also, despite owning neither a Kylie album or a plaid shirt: good to see this thread back.

kel
12-13-2011, 05:01 PM
i've lived on both coasts, in huge cities and the like, but have to say that the boise gay community is something else. the pacific northwest in general is a great place to be a gay.

slave2thewage
12-13-2011, 05:08 PM
There were so many gays at Britney. So many gays.

kel
12-13-2011, 05:12 PM
ooh, i meant to ask you about it. the salt lake city show i saw during the circus tour was an arena full of gay. the new ets isn't ready for another britney thread yet, i don't think.

slave2thewage
12-13-2011, 05:19 PM
Britney has fat thighs. I got hit on by four different guys. That's about it.

kel
12-13-2011, 06:12 PM
they're birthing hips.

slave2thewage
12-14-2011, 06:28 AM
LMAO. The power bottom's face is hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjA-N1IrwdA

Lutz
12-14-2011, 05:01 PM
LULZ http://gawker.com/5867972/married-suckers-people-are-nearly-a-minority

dominik
12-18-2011, 07:02 AM
LULZ http://gawker.com/5867972/married-suckers-people-are-nearly-a-minority

"I wish I was gay. I would love to just have one of my best friends want to hang out with only me all the time. We would probably play video games and shit like we do now, but at the end of the night we'd give each other a nice blowy and not sleep alone. Sadly, I find the thought of doing anything sexual with my dude friends causes my genitals to emotionally recede. "

Hahahaaaa, nice one. If he only knew.

slave2thewage
12-24-2011, 01:13 PM
Santa should bring me a nice boy. But not too nice.

I do like an absolute bastard, it seems.

isak
12-24-2011, 02:17 PM
Since breaking up with my almost three year boyfriend on Monday, I've been out three times, had INSANE amounts of alcohol, cannabis and coke, met two new guys, kissed two*, slept with one, and have two dates after Christmas, but I think I'm gunna cancel one after finding a guy I kinda like. I feel kinda shitty for going so crazy, but I have to admit this week has helped me get over my ex so much, now back to my normal routine of masturbating and playing video games. YAY.

Christo
12-24-2011, 09:55 PM
Since breaking up with my almost three year boyfriend on Monday, I've been out three times, had INSANE amounts of alcohol, cannabis and coke, met two new guys, kissed two*, slept with one, and have two dates after Christmas, but I think I'm gunna cancel one after finding a guy I kinda like. I feel kinda shitty for going so crazy, but I have to admit this week has helped me get over my ex so much, now back to my normal routine of masturbating and playing video games. YAY.
I think that's ok. It's understandable to go a bit crazy after something so long term ends. The night I broke up with my last boyfriend, I ended up getting way too drunk and sleeping with someone else (and also kissing my now current boyfriend). #slut

isak
12-25-2011, 07:56 AM
I think that's ok. It's understandable to go a bit crazy after something so long term ends. The night I broke up with my last boyfriend, I ended up getting way too drunk and sleeping with someone else (and also kissing my now current boyfriend). #slut
The way it happened was awful too, he'd been cheating on me for weeks since he moved to Manchester, there are even times he told me he was going out with his flat mate, then came back and told me what an amazing time he had and it was actually with this new guy. And he also persistently called me crazy and dramatic and demanding for ever showing doubts or worries when we'd spend days without ever really speaking. Guess it hasn't been good for a while so it's for the best. Think I'm moving to Liverpool next year too, so it should be a nice new start. I also really like the guy I'm talking to now, we're going to see TGWTDT on Wednesday.

Lutz
12-28-2011, 06:39 AM
The queers as ever have my back.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/d_g_m/tumblr_lnzcgrkfXF1qzw3gpo1_500.png

konstantin
12-31-2011, 06:03 PM
Weekend. the movie. that is all.

slave2thewage
01-03-2012, 03:53 PM
The gays are in fits of ecstasy right now. And Shreena, of course.http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/madonna-ready-to-get-into-the-groove-with-kylie-minogue/story-e6frf96x-1226235967332?sv=56cd2aecc2f330faf84bf463ba017195

icklekitty
01-03-2012, 05:07 PM
Oh god. Oh my god. Oh my god. I'm going to queue. Now.

kel
01-09-2012, 06:37 PM
the gayest cities in america, courtesy of the advocate

http://news.advocate.com/post/15571734525/gayest-cities-in-america-2012 (http://news.advocate.com/post/15571734525/gayest-cities-in-america-2012)

and my neighbor salt lake lands at #1 on the list. i always thought my former home of portland would land the spot, but i guess years of oppression breeds fabulousness. note to visitors: three slc drinks will feel like home. want a shot with that? finish your drink first. weird rules. oh, and if you want to crash try-angles or the edge, you need a "visitor's pass". i've been coming to the city for years and i've never understood the point.

slave2thewage
01-09-2012, 07:14 PM
I don't understand the comment and I won't respond to it.

kel
01-10-2012, 07:16 PM
i haven't had a bitchy, dismissive queen for a friend in a long time.

still don't.

i love having andy cohen on five nights a week. he's so delicious.

slave2thewage
01-12-2012, 10:40 AM
I drank two bottles of wine and teared up during Battlestar Galactica. Joys of being a queer.

dominik
01-12-2012, 12:56 PM
my best friend (straight) is single now after 6 years and he always tells me how horny he is. I WANT TO GIVE HIM A BLOWJOB SO BADLY but I don't think it'd be a good idea to ask him.

Christo
01-12-2012, 01:45 PM
Bitches be cray

slave2thewage
01-13-2012, 12:53 PM
my best friend (straight) is single now after 6 years and he always tells me how horny he is. I WANT TO GIVE HIM A BLOWJOB SO BADLY but I don't think it'd be a good idea to ask him.
Typical gayer.

"I am SO over that straight fucker now"
"He just broke up with his girlfriend"
"Brb, buying a copy of How To Lose Your Gag Reflex and enough alcohol so everything seems like a good idea"

slave2thewage
01-13-2012, 12:53 PM
Also, Christo, your twitter is SLAYING me.

dominik
01-15-2012, 07:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJZVr4hzj0M

theruiner
01-17-2012, 01:40 AM
Not that it should really matter in this day and age, and not that most people know who he is, but comedian Todd Glass came out today (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/16/todd-glass-comes-out-as-gay-on-wtf-with-marc-maron_n_1209291.html), which I thought was pretty cool considering there aren't a lot of openly gay comics. So...yeah. Good for him. I really liked Todd but this just makes me like him more.

slave2thewage
01-17-2012, 09:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tg4Cjpz8XE

Highly Psychological
01-19-2012, 07:07 AM
I wanted to do a sport with Gay people. Group Sport has been lacking from my life, so i decided to join a Gay Wrestling Club, as ive always been into all that. First week was really great, loads of big hot guys, bears, muscle dudes however went back second week, it had been cancelled, unfortunately there was a massive Gay Orgy in the shower room and the caretaker of the venue walked in........oh dear.

I found it funny, ( and angry, cos i missed out!) but realized my only motivation in going to Gay Wrestling was a sexual one!! But its a shame lot of gays cant do a lot of things sometimes because sex gets in the way of everything, hhhmm i dont know!

dominik
01-19-2012, 01:10 PM
this is exactly one of the reasons why i dislike most of the gay people or the gay scene.

Lutz
01-19-2012, 11:14 PM
I wanted to do a sport with Gay people. Group Sport has been lacking from my life, so i decided to join a Gay Wrestling Club, as ive always been into all that. First week was really great, loads of big hot guys, bears, muscle dudes however went back second week, it had been cancelled, unfortunately there was a massive Gay Orgy in the shower room and the caretaker of the venue walked in........oh dear.

I found it funny, ( and angry, cos i missed out!) but realized my only motivation in going to Gay Wrestling was a sexual one!! But its a shame lot of gays cant do a lot of things sometimes because sex gets in the way of everything, hhhmm i dont know!

this is exactly one of the reasons why i dislike most of the gay people or the gay scene.

This is exaclty one of the reasons I dislike straight venues and dour straight people.

Awful, humourless, uptight cunts.

icklekitty
01-20-2012, 06:14 AM
Dominik, are you sure you're not a woman?

dominik
01-20-2012, 09:07 AM
Dominik, are you sure you're not a woman?

What is that supposed to mean? Just because I don't like to have orgies in the shower with random people?

isak
01-21-2012, 05:35 AM
Gotta say I'm with Dominik, it's hard for people to accept homosexuality when they have to throw them out of a venue for having orgies in a shower. I don't get the whole gay 'culture' and I very much don't want to. Seems a bit silly to be wholly defined by what you like in the sack.

icklekitty
01-21-2012, 07:36 AM
What is that supposed to mean? Just because I don't like to have orgies in the shower with random people?

No, because you post things that make my synapses explode.

dominik
01-21-2012, 08:51 AM
No, because you post things that make my synapses explode.

thank you for that elaborate answer

Lutz
01-22-2012, 08:14 PM
Gotta say I'm with Dominik, it's hard for people to accept homosexuality when they have to throw them out of a venue for having orgies in a shower. I don't get the whole gay 'culture' and I very much don't want to. Seems a bit silly to be wholly defined by what you like in the sack.


Yes well it's hard to accept people with twin strollers taking up the footpath pregnant woman taking up the seats on public transport tax breaks for families who are contributing to killing this planet through overpopulation etc etc etc.

Acceptance is about difference and gays ARE different.

icklekitty
01-23-2012, 04:05 AM
Yes well it's hard to accept people with twin strollers taking up the footpath pregnant woman taking up the seats on public transport tax breaks for families who are contributing to killing this planet through overpopulation etc etc etc.

Acceptance is about difference and gays ARE different.


I would quite like to frame this.

Also it's sad to hear that wherever isak is people get thrown out for having sex in showers? Here there are strings of venues set up with areas for you to have orgies in showers, saunas, and on dancefloors - and that goes for heteros as well as gays.

isak
01-23-2012, 01:40 PM
The only thing that upsets me is that as a gay person, naturally because it's still kinda a big deal, that is my identifier. So then people are massively shocked when I don't like Britney and spend my time taking a load of drugs and having orgies, it's kinda sad that that's what being 'gay' is (at least where I live). I don't even get why gay people are so intent on showing how massively different and special they are to everyone by having big parades where they march in leather jockstraps and things, with clear intent to offend and shock people, then demand to be accepted? They demonise themselves. I'd love it if I lived somewhere where sexuality wasn't so black and white, and people weren't so scared of exploring sexuality without the repercussions of being solely identified with this whole gay culture thing. Gays seem to want people to be more liberal with their ideas of gender and sexuality, get box themselves into this horrible little stereotype and become carbon copies of each other. Fair enough if you want to spend your weekends at gay bars and go to Britney concerts and do what every single other gay does, but it's hard for the gay people who actually have their OWN personality to be accepted as normal members of society with the way a lot of gays go on. You're point about gay people being 'different' from everyone else seems a little ignorant. I like to view sexuality as just different tastes, which seems like a suitable way for it to become more accepted, and to say someone who is strictly gay is different, is like saying someone who doesn't like chocolate is different.

Hula
01-23-2012, 02:03 PM
There will always be the part of the LGBT community that thinks the 'flamers' deserve to be harassed for 'making a show of themselves'; likewise there will always be those who criticise people for not being gay enough, for not speaking out and ~embracing their true colours~.

I have to remind myself sometimes that just because we're a community of outcasts, it doesn't mean our perspectives on life are all going to match up... All too often we attack each other so viciously it's hard to tell which side is which.

icklekitty
01-23-2012, 02:38 PM
Difference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Difference_(philosophy))?

isak
01-23-2012, 02:54 PM
Difference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Difference_(philosophy))?
Kinda missing the point there. To say that gay people inherently have different traits and tastes in things seemed ignorant to me. The only real distinguishable difference is what we like in bed, to me that seems like a shallow thing to identify yourself with. I'd rather people identify me with what I have to say, or the music and art I like, whereas most embrace some stereotype of being obnoxious, shallow, loud and orange. I don't feel particularly 'different' from my straight male friends, we like the same music, do the same things, and just because in my private life in my own time I prefer to see men, I refuse to let that be what identifies me and differentiates me from the rest of the world.

dominik
01-23-2012, 02:55 PM
Difference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Difference_(philosophy))?

I don't know what the point of posting a wikipedia link is when we all know what isak is trying to say. stupid troll.

icklekitty
01-23-2012, 03:16 PM
Um, sexual difference is a massive philosophical scheme of thought that was the starting point for queer theory in the mid-20th century. Lutz's "acceptance is difference" immediately reminded me of that, as did Hula (http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Sexual_difference.html?id=VDJ9zmTddw4C&redir_esc=y) and isak (http://www.artslant.com/la/articles/show/20415)'s ideas that "gay" doesn't just mean "not straight". Don't get butthurt because I shouted at you.

(I understand you were trying to say something different though, isak, just thought it was an interesting point for thought. Difference doesn't mean different as in not X, Difference means difference as in "there is no X - every thing is different to everything else". So gay is not "not straight" - gays aren't one thing, but they are examples of difference. They are examples of how sexual orientation is a plethora of things and not just dicks or pussies. Acceptance is difference because if you embrace all the differents you lose prejudice)

Hula
01-23-2012, 03:26 PM
So gay is not "not straight" - gays aren't one thing, but they are examples of difference. They are examples of how sexual orientation is a plethora of things and not just dicks or pussies.

Thisssss. Ickle, can I marry your brain? I think mine has a crush on it.

icklekitty
01-23-2012, 03:30 PM
Thisssss. Ickle, can I marry your brain? I think mine has a crush on it.

I'm not surprised; your brain is pretty queer ;)

isak
01-23-2012, 04:00 PM
I can't pretend I fully understand these philosophical ideas behind difference, and gender and identity and so forth, I spend most my time with maths and computer science, but could you clarify something for me? I think (correct me if I'm wrong) is that you were saying it's wrong to associate any kind of sexuality with a single identity, and create kind of binary opposites between 'gay' and 'straight' and accept all, to loose prejudice. I can't help but feel, that maybe the typical gay lifestyle shouldn't necessarily be accepted or condoned by anyone. Just like when I see women who adhere to typical feminine identities that they've kinda been conditioned with, who do nothing but talk about boys and wear dresses and feel like they should be subordinate in some way, or the opposite with men, I feel the identity gay people often assume is similar. When I was young, I felt more acceptance for a while, hanging around with gay friends and doing gay things, even though it wasn't exactly what I enjoyed, but I felt I didn't feel like I fit in or feel accepted with any other identity other than to be gay. I became a little more self aware after a long relationship with a real person who I could be myself around, but should they not have been there I'm frightened I would be much different today. I guess while I accept what's become a typically gay lifestyle, I feel like it shouldn't be something that people are limited to. I am quite a feminine person, I wear girls jeans sometimes, like quite a lot of female artists and have a strange obsession with strong female protagonists in books and films and so forth, I'm in no way saying I'm some super masculine butch guy that likes sport and hates fags, I just think gay people typically identify themselves in wholly unhealthy ways, and that they should at least try to disassociate themselves with it and find ways to express themselves in more meaningful ways. To reinforce my point while I accept all identities, I feel that some that people may feel inclined to associate with, whether it be down to the media or social conditioning or whatever, unhealthy ones, that I feel should be discouraged.

Hula
01-23-2012, 04:16 PM
What's unhealthy about enjoying sex (whether as a group or in a conventional one-on-one setting), though? Similarly: what's unhealthy about being the muscular, tanned guy at Pride who wears a leather thong and fairy wings? The biggest problem people (gay people, quite often) seem to have with the stereotypical types of gay men is that they're making a show of themselves by being effeminate and girly and blah blah blah. So WHAT if they're making a show of themselves? True, they can probably be a bit annoying at times but you get people like that across the board, regardless of gender or orientation.

The whole reason the queer community at large is so bright and loud and colourful is that it's been oppressed for so damn long and, believe it or not, this is something these people want to celebrate. Being a big old queen who speaks in a high-pitched voice is no different, really, than belonging to a subculture in fashion; likewise taking part in things like orgies or group sex or having multiple partners or whatever else is perceived as 'dirty' when gay men do it is no different, really, than being a straight person who indulges in consensual fetishes.

slave2thewage
01-23-2012, 04:22 PM
Straight men wear leather thongs and have group sex too, you know.

isak
01-23-2012, 04:36 PM
What's unhealthy about enjoying sex (whether as a group or in a conventional one-on-one setting), though? Nothing, I personally prefer intimate relationships with a persons company who I enjoy, but I feel typical gay attitudes towards sex are a little unhealthy, does anyone really enjoy meaningless sex with people you don't find interesting and are literally just find kinda hot? There is also an obvious issue with AIDS and STI's in the gay community, and being promiscuous in the gay community is usually a badge of honour. I personally don't think that leads to a very satisfying wholesome life, and if you are someone who can practise these things comfortably in your own privacy, safely and comfortably then that's great, but it's often not the case.



The whole reason the queer community at large is so bright and loud and colourful is that it's been oppressed for so damn long and, believe it or not, this is something these people want to celebrate. I understand that initially this culture arisen after being suppressed so long, maybe if someone banned ice cream I'd feel the need to march in streets smeared in it and throwing it in peoples faces, but people are starting to understand and accept it a little more, for homosexuality to literally not be a big deal with anyone, we need to acknowledge it's not a big deal, and not feel the urges to shout it out from rooftops and tell everyone, no one cares any more, it's normal and healthy, people are starting to accept that, can't we move on?

Hula
01-23-2012, 04:52 PM
People are starting to understand and accept it. We're far from the point where it's safe to be gay and until it stops being something that people get bullied for in day-to-day life without anyone really batting an eyelid (and yes, this does happen—I see it all the time and even when you catch that 'dude, not cool' look on people's faces it's rare for them to speak out), I don't think queer activists are going to get any less, well, queer. I suppose you could argue here that society would be quicker to accept gay people if they didn't rub it in everybody's dern faces!, but that's moot.

slave2thewage
01-23-2012, 05:09 PM
does anyone really enjoy meaningless sex with people you don't find interesting and are literally just find kinda hot?

You have lead a sheltered life, my child.

isak
01-23-2012, 07:55 PM
You have lead a sheltered life, my child.[/COLOR]
I speak from experience! I find one night stands kinda crappy usually, tend to be while you're drunk which never really makes it great, and I think it's just nicer when you have some kind of bond with someone. Also, I hate how homos tend to be diseased, I get with a few guys as a rebound thing after my long term boyfriend and I'm having STI scares again, and I'm always protected for the dirty work! The oral is my downfall.


Straight men wear leather thongs and have group sex too, you know.
Never said I was against men in thongs. Leather is gross though.

slave2thewage
01-23-2012, 08:47 PM
The oral is my downfall.
So often the way.

Lutz
01-24-2012, 03:28 AM
The only thing that upsets me is that as a gay person, naturally because it's still kinda a big deal, that is my identifier. So then people are massively shocked when I don't like Britney and spend my time taking a load of drugs and having orgies, it's kinda sad that that's what being 'gay' is (at least where I live). I don't even get why gay people are so intent on showing how massively different and special they are to everyone by having big parades where they march in leather jockstraps and things, with clear intent to offend and shock people, then demand to be accepted? They demonise themselves. I'd love it if I lived somewhere where sexuality wasn't so black and white, and people weren't so scared of exploring sexuality without the repercussions of being solely identified with this whole gay culture thing. Gays seem to want people to be more liberal with their ideas of gender and sexuality, get box themselves into this horrible little stereotype and become carbon copies of each other. Fair enough if you want to spend your weekends at gay bars and go to Britney concerts and do what every single other gay does, but it's hard for the gay people who actually have their OWN personality to be accepted as normal members of society with the way a lot of gays go on. You're point about gay people being 'different' from everyone else seems a little ignorant. I like to view sexuality as just different tastes, which seems like a suitable way for it to become more accepted, and to say someone who is strictly gay is different, is like saying someone who doesn't like chocolate is different.

Read each sentence of this post out and then say afterward "I'm ashamed of what straight people think".

Then ask yourself how much you value those peoples opinions and how much they matter to the way you live.

icklekitty
01-25-2012, 06:08 AM
http://asset1.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/01/24/lbg_610x379.png

Highly Psychological
01-26-2012, 08:55 PM
I fucking hate Kylie Minouge!

Hula
01-27-2012, 04:14 AM
i fucking hate kylie minouge!

Shunnnnn!!

icklekitty
01-27-2012, 05:59 PM
I fucking hate Kylie Minouge!


That's why you didn't get invited to that wrestling orgy.






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxmOg8mVf0o

Lutz
02-06-2012, 05:28 AM
Madonna's Aphrodite < Kylie's Aphrodite

konstantin
02-06-2012, 04:10 PM
thank the goddess i'm gay!

62

first slide was Kylie, no kidding! Madrid Pride 2010 http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2010/07/03/madrid/1278174787.html

slave2thewage
02-07-2012, 04:33 AM
Everything with the gays comes back to Kylie.

EVERYTHING.

Christo
02-07-2012, 06:11 PM
My ex hated Kylie. He had to go.

icklekitty
02-07-2012, 06:57 PM
*wipes away tear*

I love you guys.

slave2thewage
04-14-2012, 10:11 AM
Brb, running off to St Petersburg and loudly shouting "WHERE CAN A HOMOSEXUAL STAY?".

Lutz
04-15-2012, 05:25 AM
Oh I watched MILK today. Even if it was deliberately a bit hetero-washed it was totes inspiring. I'm going to watch THE TIMES OF HARVEY MILK now (I watched a Liz Taylor movie in between for good measure).

slave2thewage
05-01-2012, 10:21 PM
I was going to talk about the bi thread, but then I realised that I should be a proper gay and pretend it doesn't exist.

Lutz
05-03-2012, 02:36 AM
I was going to talk about the bi thread, but then I realised that I should be a proper gay and pretend it doesn't exist.

You only have to read that thread to validate our opinion.

They would also sympathise if they'd kissed a "bisexual" and then had them punch you in the face when you tried to touch their dick.

ambergris
05-14-2012, 11:46 AM
P-E-N-I-S goes into the anus to rapture intestines.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMANMIe0ZZI&amp;feature=player_embedded

Lutz
05-19-2012, 01:34 AM
^Whenever I get hysterical women from christian bookstores call at work I always think the real problem with their account is that they need a dick.

orestes
05-21-2012, 06:41 PM
On labels and shit. (http://erikamoen.com/comics/queer/nggallery/image/queer-english-version/)

Lutz
05-22-2012, 02:33 AM
On labels and shit. (http://erikamoen.com/comics/queer/nggallery/image/queer-english-version/)

While I'm sure these people have never been beaten to death in the past I'm more than tempted to start now.

orestes
05-22-2012, 07:31 AM
How utterly predictable.

Elke
05-22-2012, 01:01 PM
While I'm sure these people have never been beaten to death in the past I'm more than tempted to start now.

If you're ever near Mechelen, let me buy you a beer first. After all, beating someone to death requires a man's beverage, doesn't it?

Thanks orestes! Maybe I can use it in class!

slave2thewage
05-22-2012, 01:40 PM
Pipe down, all of you, something much more important has kicked off in the gay world:

Eurovision semi-finals start in just over an hour.

icklekitty
05-22-2012, 04:03 PM
I had some cunt over the weekend. I forgot how fucking boring it is to eat compared to cock.

Lutz
05-23-2012, 02:18 AM
How utterly predictable.

Fitting an anglo male fap fantasy isn't something people normally complain about.

Lutz
05-23-2012, 03:51 AM
Women and gays traditionally have either had no rights or been executed.

To try and intimate that there is some kind of bases for comparison or reverse discrimination here by peoples differing OPINIONS is - to put it mildly - extremely offensive.

Elke
05-23-2012, 11:25 AM
As someone who identifies as queer, and has relationships with both men and women, I can vouch for the fact that the gay community isn't a very friendly face when you're trying to escape the heteronormative matrix of society.
In fact, I personally always felt glbt groups and parades were not meant for me, and I've certainly never been made to feel welcome there. And I think it's something the community itself is extremely guilty of: boxing people in. Ironically enough, I should add. The whole fem/butch discussion, for instance, which is still alive and well in so many local communities as well as on the net, is a perfect example of this. And I'm not downplaying the plight of (gender) queer people in countries where the death penality still looms for loving differently, but that doesn't mean that the worries and problems of the slightly more priviliged should be disregarded, or that their justified frustrations with a community that should welcome and shelter them but in effect offers them only an incentive to act straight, should be met with derision. After all, limbo is only a couple of degrees less scorching then hell itself.
[/aimless rant]

Lutz
05-23-2012, 05:44 PM
What I was trying to get at was that people are entitled to their opinion and they can disagree and dislike people all they want but they don't have a right to stop other people living how they want.

Personally I think the problem with fluid sexuality has it's root in the nature vs nurture debate. I think it's a fundamentally christian debate used solely for the purpose to make people think that GOD has some hand in homosexuality. (And as hypocritical as it may sound after my initial lead in) People should probably just come to the conclusion that the Bible is wrong and GOD doesn't exist. Sex is not perverse and it doesn't matter if someone is born this way or if they made a decision.

But Elke also on a personal level I think what you're talking about just applies to everyone weather they are queer or not.

And also the original article you posted really does need to come to the conclusion they are a normal person and they don't actually face any hardship above and beyond a heterosexual.

Elke
05-24-2012, 03:06 AM
I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that the concept of fluid sexuality was developped by christians to disregard the notion of genetic or innate or essential or fixed sexuality? Because that's how I understood what you wrote, but I'm guessing I'm wrong.

Also: I didn't post anything, it was orestes. I was just happy that FINALLY something portrays my experience. All those shows that get cheered on by AfterElton/Ellen, Queerty, The Advocate...? I'm NEVER in them. So I was just happy to see myself, not as an excuse for various kinds of phobias or a vehicle to express prejudice, but as I've experienced my sexuality: not as something I identify with at all.
That said: you really think that there are 'normal' people?

Lutz
05-24-2012, 09:28 AM
I meant it specifically in regards to the problems people with fluid sexuality face in being understood.

And personally I think everyone is basically the same.

Elke
05-24-2012, 03:23 PM
You might want to look at your last line again, then, because what you think doesn't show in your sentences.

Also, but that's a completely personal note: I was just discussing this with a fellow catholic religion teacher , and we agreed that in general christians are the easiest to convince to treat people who they consider to be abnormal with respect and kindness, because you can resort to 'What Would Jesus Do?' And even muslims accept the idea that only God judges, and we should act with compassion and not judge in God's stead.
It's the non-religious that are most stubbornly homophobic, in my experience. The kids AND the parents.

orestes
05-24-2012, 08:37 PM
Elke, might I suggest this (http://amzn.com/0807044431) book. I just started reading it but it's really fascinating.

Lutz
05-25-2012, 01:00 AM
[QUOTE=Elke;34296]You might want to look at your last line again, then, because what you think doesn't show in your sentences. QUOTE]

While I could have phrased it better. When we are talking about the problems/discrimination people with fluid sexuality face I thought it would be read specifically that way.

Elke
05-25-2012, 04:39 PM
Elke, might I suggest this (http://amzn.com/0807044431) book. I just started reading it but it's really fascinating.

Thanks for the tip. A friend of mine passed me an essay by Blank on the development of the homosexuality as an identity in the 19th century, and I thought that was very fascinating, so I'll definitely check this out.


Lutz, what I referred to was:


And also the original article you posted really does need to come to the conclusion they are a normal person and they don't actually face any hardship above and beyond a heterosexual.


And personally I think everyone is basically the same.

You don't think everyone is basically the same, because there are normal people which means there are also abnormal people, and apparently genderfluid people - unlike, I'm going to guess, self-identified lgbt people - are normal people. And because, or so you seem to imply, it's inherent to abnormal people that they face more hardship than normal people, it follows naturally that self-identified lgbt people inherently face more hardship than genderfluid people.
It's simple logic: you do not think everyone is basically the same, you actually think that groups of people are inherently different, and that there difference in identification means there's an automatic weight attached to what they percieve as hardship.
There's a word for that.

I'm sorry, I know I'm being prissy and nitpicky about this, but I hate when people start measuring and weighing suffering. I've been told for as long as I've know people who didn't self-idenitify as straight that I HAD to use a label for myself, that I was a coward or a glutton or an attention whore and that my feelings weren't genuine if I wouldn't identify myself as straight or gay, or in extremely tolerant cases even bi. My refusal to do so, because I've always quite sincerely felt sexual orientation is much like picking your favorite flavour in ice cream (I'll always be drawn to fruit sorbet, and you'll never catch me eating bubblegum flavoured ice cream) and definitely not an identity, has put me squarely on the fringes of both the 'straight' world and the lgbt community. It's always been endless discussions, and the feeling of not belonging. I don't even belong amongst the very people who themselves united in order to form a sense of belonging. That does suck, and it is quite an exquisite form of torture to be outcast by the outcasts. Which I think is a feeling very few self-identified heterosexuals experience because of their sexual orientation.

So I'm just extremely sensitive about this.

icklekitty
07-09-2012, 03:44 AM
I LOVE FAGS SO MUCH

http://www.polarimagazine.com/gallery/world-pride-london-2012/

This photo might have been included because it shows about 4 minorities rolled into one. Or they can smell the Kylie on me.

slave2thewage
07-14-2012, 10:44 AM
Thread anthem?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vGAa4Fdww8

dominik
07-14-2012, 05:25 PM
Let's talk about gay sex. :o

slave2thewage
07-15-2012, 11:35 AM
We're talking about Eartha Kitt and cha cha heels. Much better than sex.

Lutz
07-20-2012, 02:53 AM
We're talking about Eartha Kitt and cha cha heels. Much better than sex.

Cha cha heels. Black ones.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDie8goaBDU

slave2thewage
07-20-2012, 08:07 PM
Talking about cha cha heels?

Not on Christmas.

slave2thewage
09-20-2012, 07:39 PM
I scored in the overnight campout queue for Lady Gaga. Do I win a prize?

Christo
09-22-2012, 08:54 PM
I scored in the overnight campout queue for Lady Gaga. Do I win a prize?
You were in an overnight campout queue for Lady Gaga, I think you have your answer.

slave2thewage
09-22-2012, 10:25 PM
The girl who was at the top of the line had been there for ten days. And I thought we were bad.

icklekitty
09-23-2012, 07:50 AM
I bet she was gross. People who worship divas like that are always.... Oh.

slave2thewage
09-23-2012, 09:28 AM
Imagine being one woman against 80 bitchy gays. The slagging, oh, the slagging...

Lutz
09-30-2012, 07:58 AM
So - Lady Gaga's Cake Vs Rihanna's Cake?

slave2thewage
09-30-2012, 09:56 AM
Gaga's. At least her cake hasn't been mashed unrecognisably out of shape by Chris Brown.

Stereo75
11-16-2012, 11:24 AM
This video is classic!

http://ca.shine.yahoo.com/blogs/shine-on/gay-men-marry-girlfriends-video-goes-viral-183041112.html

scorpiusdiamond
05-25-2013, 11:24 AM
Dragging this back up from the depths to say I love gay bars.
Zero idiots, great music. Awesome.

slave2thewage
05-25-2013, 11:29 AM
I haven't been in a gay bar in months. I'm doing this thing all wrong.

Hula
05-26-2013, 06:26 AM
I got sick of going to gay bars here because there would inevitably be straight couples there gagging on each other's tongues. I know queer people hook up in gay bars, it happens all the time. But I'd like to think we're a tiny bit more...polite about it (there are bathrooms and smoking areas for a reason). Plus you have your own bars, assholes. Stop being loud and loutish and dancing with the gays for the lulz.

Fixer808
05-26-2013, 06:35 AM
I haven't been in a gay bar in months. I'm doing this thing all wrong.
Straight and gay friends of mine went to a local one (The Pump Jack... the name is awesome all on its own) for New Years and one of them, who is normally a mild mannered makeup artist who told me I may have been a bear in a past life, got the whole team kicked out of the place by first taking a beer outside and- when he wasn't allowed back in- shouted that he was "taking it back to its home!!" and spat on the bouncer.

"Your friend isn't allowed inside again."

Friend throws glass against the wall.

"Now you ALL have to go."

Wish I coulda been there... Also, that's an abnormally chill bouncer.

icklekitty
05-26-2013, 03:58 PM
So straight girls are apparently joining Grindr to find guys to be fag hags too.

*opens compact, applies lipstick*

Oh honey, if you're the one chasing the gays...its so uncouth.

*sips martini*

slave2thewage
06-12-2013, 05:51 AM
But where will all the cheap Russian porno come from now?!
Russia passes "gay propaganda" ban (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/06/2013611155323341978.html)

Highly Psychological
06-12-2013, 12:16 PM
That means even more hot Russian guys (and girls) in UK i think we are a de facto exodus location for Russian and Eastern European Gays. Our government is quite sympathetic to their cause. More the merrier that accent is seriously hot. My russian friend can seem to pull in about 10 seconds anywhere on his accent alone.

slave2thewage
06-29-2013, 02:02 PM
Happy Pride weekend and stuff.

dominik
06-29-2013, 02:48 PM
Happy Pride weekend and stuff.

to you too!

icklekitty
06-30-2013, 06:59 AM
I enjoyed it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjlondon/9170783034/sizes/l/in/photostream/

slave2thewage
06-30-2013, 11:00 PM
I celebrated Pride by watching Birdemic 2 with my cat. Living the dream.

dominik
08-10-2013, 09:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbcTp6hvhsU

slave2thewage
10-21-2013, 08:30 AM
I went to a musical for the first time this weekend. It was Priscilla. Dear god, I almost died from the gayness.

The accidental highlight of the night was they had silence after the first shout of "FUCK ME, BERNADETTE" and some gay in the audience went "guuuuurl".

GibbonBlack
10-21-2013, 04:56 PM
I tried gay sex a few years ago to see if I developed a taste for it. It wasn't very good so I figured 'maybe that guy just isn't good in bed' and I went on a tiny gay sex spree for a while. I never enjoyed it. Which is a shame really, because it would have opened up a lot of doors, sexually speaking.


Still, at least now I can answer that "When did you decide you were straight" question that's been doing the rounds.

Christo
10-21-2013, 04:59 PM
Sounds pretty gay to me

slave2thewage
10-21-2013, 06:32 PM
He's got more wangs inside him than a Chinese phone book.

dominik
10-21-2013, 06:37 PM
because it would have opened up a lot of doors

you mean a lot of assholes?

slave2thewage
10-21-2013, 06:47 PM
I never enjoyed it. Which is a shame really, because it would have opened up a lot of doors
Come with me and you'll be
In a world of mutual masturbation
Take a look and you'll see
Into your imagination


We'll begin with a spin
Trav'ling in the world of my creation
What we'll see will defy
Explanation


If you want to view paradise
Simply look around and view it
Anything you want to, do it
Want to change the world, there's nothing to it


There is no life I know
To compare with mutual masturbation
Living there, you'll be free
If you truly wish to be

ambergris
10-22-2013, 06:25 AM
Which is a shame really, because it would have opened up a lot of doors, sexually speaking.

So you weren't bothered by the fact that they were men? And before that, you thought it was an attractive choice to have another option available? Did you find the idea of having sex with men attractive? How old were you when you first let a man make love to you? Next, who was he? Next, how did you feel at the time? Next, how did you feel afterwards? What did you feel, what did you think? Were you pleased, frightened, ecstatic, disgusted? What did he say? What words did you speak? That's what I want to know, now, tell me, now, now, all of it, now, tell me, yes!

icklekitty
10-22-2013, 07:20 AM
Don't stop; you won't believe the amount of shit sex with men you have to go through to get to the good ones.

slave2thewage
10-22-2013, 07:44 AM
Don't stop; you won't believe the amount of shit sex with men you have to go through to get to the good ones.
I went from an amazing versatile guy to a terrible power bottom who couldn't give good head to save his life once. It was soul-destroying.

I just took a moment from typing this to stare at the hot guy in my course's arse. Want.

GibbonBlack
10-22-2013, 08:35 AM
So you weren't bothered by the fact that they were men? And before that, you thought it was an attractive choice to have another option available? Did you find the idea of having sex with men attractive?


The fact that were men never bothered me. I never found it that much of an attractive idea. But I thought 'try it, you might like it'.

Highly Psychological
10-22-2013, 09:00 AM
I tried it with a woman once, despite not being attracted sexually to women, just to see what it was like it was interesting but , it was not my cup of tea

slave2thewage
02-03-2014, 05:24 PM
Everyone should watch this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/03/panti-noble-oppression_n_4717909.html?fb_action_ids=1015254517 9716679&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B582801795140357%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.likes%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D

slave2thewage
10-12-2014, 07:21 PM
Planning on using Grindr at a Lady Gaga show. Will my iPhone blow up?

slave2thewage
04-27-2015, 07:05 PM
Bump.

I have a second date on Friday, but then the guy on Grindr I've had a crush on for the last year has started chatting to me. AWKS.

kel
01-05-2016, 01:30 AM
this feels almost like a loaded question, but it really shouldn't be.

what i'd like to know is if any fellow ets gays identify with a gay subculture. guys -- do you consider yourself a twink? a bear? a cub? an otter? a wolf?

i'm sure there's more labels (hate that word, but it's just what it is), but those are all i know.

me? i'm a cub, soon to be a bear as i near my 40's and continue this pattern of gaining, not losing, year after year. i, personally, LOVE being a part of the bear community.

and the women -- butch, femme, lipstick, etc?

a silly question overall, yes, but i'm well intended in my curiosity. i love the different and distinct sub-communities, especially when we all come together at pride events and the like.

icklekitty
06-14-2016, 12:30 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck7MSE6UoAE19jI.jpg

slave2thewage
08-03-2017, 07:55 PM
This is currently my favourite thing on the internet
http://gaypulp.podomatic.com/