Stuck in the 90s: the official rap metal/nu metal thread.

[aggroculture]

Love it, hate it, or totally despise it.
Bests, worsts, recommendations, guilty pleasures.
And yes I am fully aware of how ridiculous some of these bands look and sound today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v6tu9ntzwE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ruHfeq87qo&ob=av2e
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioG4OA02wR4&ob=av2e
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikg-96z2BFw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K20CnSgdpRw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nvtOIvEzDo&feature=related

[Kid Charlemagne]

Primer 55's "Loose" takes me back to when I used to watch WCW.

I can already tell this thread is going to be awesome for all the wrong reasons. You have some balls Aggro.

[aggroculture]

Some classics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERTT_sv8sV0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr_uHJPUlO8&ob=av2e
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYlfQ-7zUUE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHLHF-nUEzQ

[aggroculture]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4VpE-0zitU&ob=av2e
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjTd47MpRRM&feature=fvsr

[aggroculture]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps0MfBG5-Uo&ob=av2e
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OgH3B49_E4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIqbdnaPcT8&ob=av2e
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh9Mtbe6Lkw&feature=relmfu

[W Axl Rose]

Why are Faith No More in this thread with shitty bands? I never considered them rap/nu metal. Same with RHCP.

[richardp]

Can't have a shitty nu-metal post without these gems:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwh7qh5q0ps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1u97UPFKOw&ob=av2e
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwcAWYDHlKw

[Kid Charlemagne]

Why are Faith No More in this thread with shitty bands? I never considered them rap/nu metal. Same with RHCP.You have no room to talk, you like Guns N' Roses. Let the real motherfuckers talk about our turntable rock in peace.


Yo, this thread needs WAY MORE Papa Roach.

[Sutekh]

Hed (pe)... Lol

ps they looked ridiculous at the time as well as now

[Highly Psychological]

Taking the piss out of Nu-Metal is so boring. Its such an easy target. It was so redneck jocko-homo and ridiculous for the most part but 10-15 years on, some of it still really gets me going. Some tracks were great. I love the stupid adrenaline rush it gives me.

Kittie - Brackish - Favourite track of the Nu-Metal era. The best tune of the genre during that period was written by Canadian teenage girls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3ThppM3IhA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3ThppM3IhA)

Coal Chamber - Fiend - This is brilliant. Bahaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees and The Dammed would be proud of this one. Camp, Scary ferocious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a6h4QCs0Pg&ob=av2e (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a6h4QCs0Pg&ob=av2e)

Saliva - Your Disease. Its astonishing how much a video can date in 10 years, worst video of all time. Its so bad its hilarious. They were being serious. But the track is great. Sounds like The Cult
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7z2lJhaFds&ob=av2e (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7z2lJhaFds&ob=av2e)

Vast - Free - Glorious Echo and the Bunnymen rip off. U2 style chorus. Dont know how these guys were not huge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRXW1thQtPM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRXW1thQtPM)

[aggroculture]

Yo, this thread needs WAY MORE Papa Roach.

Done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn7P1SwQmes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0lSpNtjPM8&ob=av2n
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUP3sUYq_zQ&ob=av2n
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoZEtBQJN4c&ob=av2e

Infest and Lovehatetragedy aren't bad albums.

[thelastdisciple]

http://youtu.be/wKGYMKZS_50


http://youtu.be/H5kQv63Xp-k

[Space Suicide]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox2Xf-usqzU

[richardp]

It was only a matter of time before someone came in here defending Nu-Metal. We all went through it, but there is no reason not to have grown out of it a LONG time ago.

And with that I, we can't make fun of nu-metal without this band, the crowning offenders of the genre:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-EdCNjumvI&ob=av2n

I remember going out and buying that cassette and my mom hearing me listening to Faith and genuinely getting offended that not only was I into this awful band, but as she put it, "why would anyone want to cover this song to begin with?".

[Kid Charlemagne]

I love going to Coachella, and Bonnaroo, and Lollapalooza and all , but when are they gonna bring back The Family Values Tour?

[theruiner]

^^Ha ha! I saw the FVT in 2001. Back when STP could still kill live. I even have the CD from that tour floating around somewhere.

[eversonpoe]

i didn't know VAST were considered nu-metal (although i guess that was back in their early days). pretty hilarious considering the wide range of stuff that jon has done.

[richardp]

^^Ha ha! I saw the FVT in 2001. Back when STP could still kill live. I even have the CD from that tour floating around somewhere.

I'll never forget constantly making fun of how stuffy the dude from Deadsy sounded on their track from that CD. "THIS IS A SONG OFF OUR NEW OW-BUMB".

[carpenoctem]

Why are Faith No More in this thread with shitty bands? I never considered them rap/nu metal. Same with RHCP.

Yeah, this makes no sense at all.

I would just like to pop in here real quick to say that I still love Linkin Park FOREVER.

[wight rabbit]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't nü-metal just the fusion of rap and metal?

[henryeatscereal]

Three Dollar Bill Y'all needs to be reevaluated, there i said it

http://youtu.be/L-2PU3bSfd0

[halloween]

this thread gives me odd flashbacks/associations.../me shudders.

[bobbie solo]

$3 Dollar Bill has some solid songs.

[dlb]

I pretty much used to enjoy the already mentioned One Minute Silence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEF5qqpOdfY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0omf8Y2F6JU

Mabye not pure rap or nu metal, but they were heavily featured at those old video rip sites like UCV etc. And say what you will, but music television when it still existed has never shown so many "hard" rocking music ever again.

And of course Europe has come out with some enjoybale and not so enjoyable stuff aswell:


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x13cz_guano-apes-open-your-eyes_music?search_algo=1


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4o5lf_4lyn-pearls-beauty_music?search_algo=1

[aggroculture]

Why are Faith No More in this thread with shitty bands? I never considered them rap/nu metal. Same with RHCP.

Because those tracks are classic rap rock numbers. FNM and RHCP were both a huge influence on the rap-metal/nu-metal sound. I wanted this thread to embrace the genealogy of the genre, not just "nu-metal" bands proper. (Maybe it would be clearer if the title were changed to "rap-rock/nu-metal.")

Also, FNM were repeatedly called "the godfathers of nu-metal" at the time, much to Mike Patton's annoyance: there was going to be a nu-metal FNM tribute album, with Korn/Deftones/Papa Roach/Disturbed on it, but the project was held up by label politics. FNM's Puffy played for Korn in 2000, Bill Gould is now in a band with Munky, and Patton has collaborated with Jon Davis (on Sepultura's Lookaway) and Chino Moreno (on Team Sleep's Koolaid Party).

FNM's We Care A Lot (pre-Patton):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1g9PFtSCKw

[aggroculture]

Cradle of Thorns, who would go on to spawn Videodrone and Adema:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7e3D23wzOM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIntU98s0pU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x7frrL29lY

Hot Action Cop: could have been huge if they'd come out a little earlier

http://vimeo.com/8103958
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAURo0rwt6g

[aggroculture]

Other notable precursors:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B_UYYPb-Gk&ob=av2n
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEwKCu0P89c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xY0kBpFU6c&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6IQxhkVIEw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imR_Sbkjq84

[aggroculture]

Always liked this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYBIRHi5-o8&ob=av2e

[Sutekh]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't nü-metal just the fusion of rap and metal?

Sort of, theres a groove metal influence (pantera definitely influenced the sound) and the style definitely takes a few cues from godflesh's streetcleaner. Also lyrically they tend to have that post nirvana angsty journal lyrics thing. So yep the rap thing is there, buts its basically the threads of youth oriented music that hadnt been tied up yet

Ps werent body count just a metal band with a black guy singing? I could be wrong but i seem to recall he didnt rap (even though his dayjob is rapping)

[Kid Charlemagne]

Remember that shitty rap metal album that Machine Head made? But now Machine Head are kind of cool because everything they've putout since is decent? I mean, you don't have to continue to suck. I don't know if this has much to do with anything.

[Kid Charlemagne]

I'll never forget constantly making fun of how stuffy the dude from Deadsy sounded on their track from that CD. "THIS IS A SONG OFF OUR NEW OW-BUMB".
Yo, if I remember correctly, that had a cover of "Tom Sawyer" on it. That was my joint.

[aggroculture]

Remember that shitty rap metal album that Machine Head made? But now Machine Head are kind of cool because everything they've putout since is decent? I mean, you don't have to continue to suck. I don't know if this has much to do with anything.

OMG yes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJzeJiHHQOY&ob=av2e
Actually I hate their "return to classic metal" albums.

[Sutekh]

Yeah post trivium machine head (lets tell it how it is) is just as lame as nu metal machine head

[Space Suicide]

I don't know, I find Machine Head's albums post-Through the Ashes of Empires to be top notch, myself.

[aggroculture]

Str8 Outta Cheeseville:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWNAzMyDv58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO_QntXc-c4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CLqks_9b30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6sQp0OPUvQ

[Space Suicide]

To be fair, a few songs by Motograter weren't bad. I remember Suffocate due to being on the Texas Chainsaw Massacre soundtrack. Now Ivan is the singer of Five Finger Douche Punch.

[ViN]

As much as 99% of these songs posted suck, I'd take the days of nu metal over the bullshit of post grunge/cock rock/deathcore/dubstep/hipster shit that everyone's all about now. At least Deftones and One Minute Silence didn't suck fat dick and command me to hit stop 5 seconds in.

[Kid Charlemagne]

I remember Rolling Stone saying that P.O.D. were going to be the biggest rock band in America about ten years ago. "Rock the Party" and that whole Southtown album were my shit in 6th grade. Can't forget about "Boom" which they'll be receiving checks from for the next 40 years due to it being played at seemingly every sporting event possible.

[richardp]

I work with a bunch of butt-rock dudes at my job and they all think Five Finger Death Punch is the greatest shit ever, and I'm always saying that I remember like 10 years ago being into a band called Motograter that he sung for and they're always like "NO FUCKING WAY". FFDP is one of the worst fucking things I've ever heard in my life. Nothing pisses me off more than republican butt-rock songs that are about how fucking legit the army is.

[Kid Charlemagne]

The lyrics for their song "Under and Over It" are the best things put to paper:
Did you hear the one about me being a punk?
Did you hear the one about me being a drunk?
Did you hear the one about me losing my nerve?
Or how I'm just another fucking sheep in the herd?
Did you hear about the money, how it made me change?
So funny to me, all the time that they waste.
Did you hear the one about me giving a shit?
'Cause if I ever did I don't remember it.

You can be me and I will be you.
You can live just like a star.
I'll take my sanity, you take the fame.
I'm under and over it all.
(I'm under and over it.)

Did you hear the one about me playing the game?
Selling my soul and changing my name.
Did you hear the one about me being a prick?
Did you know I don't care? You can suck my...
Did you hear the one about me trying to die?
Fist in the air and a finger to the sky.
Do I care if you hate me? Do you wanna know the truth?
C'est la vie....adiós....good riddance....fuck you!

You can be me and I will be you.
You can live just like a star.
I'll take my sanity, you take the fame.
I'm under and over it all.
(I'm under and over it.)
I, I, I'm under and over it.
I, I, I'm under and over it.
I, I, I'm under and over it.
I, I, I'm under and over it.

You can be me and I will be you.
You can live just like a star.
I'll take my sanity, you take the fame.
I'm under and over it all.
(I'm under and over it.)
I'm under and over it all.
(I'm under and over it.)
I, I, I'm under and over it.
I, I, I'm under and over it.

[Space Suicide]

The lyrics for their song "Under and Over It" are the best things put to paper:
Did you hear the one about me being a punk?
Did you hear the one about me being a drunk?
Did you hear the one about me losing my nerve?
Or how I'm just another fucking sheep in the herd?
Did you hear about the money, how it made me change?
So funny to me, all the time that they waste.
Did you hear the one about me giving a shit?
'Cause if I ever did I don't remember it.

You can be me and I will be you.
You can live just like a star.
I'll take my sanity, you take the fame.
I'm under and over it all.
(I'm under and over it.)

Did you hear the one about me playing the game?
Selling my soul and changing my name.
Did you hear the one about me being a prick?
Did you know I don't care? You can suck my...
Did you hear the one about me trying to die?
Fist in the air and a finger to the sky.
Do I care if you hate me? Do you wanna know the truth?
C'est la vie....adiós....good riddance....fuck you!

You can be me and I will be you.
You can live just like a star.
I'll take my sanity, you take the fame.
I'm under and over it all.
(I'm under and over it.)
I, I, I'm under and over it.
I, I, I'm under and over it.
I, I, I'm under and over it.
I, I, I'm under and over it.

You can be me and I will be you.
You can live just like a star.
I'll take my sanity, you take the fame.
I'm under and over it all.
(I'm under and over it.)
I'm under and over it all.
(I'm under and over it.)
I, I, I'm under and over it.
I, I, I'm under and over it.

I hate them as a whole and find their imagery and views to be terribly written and in a cliche way but I'd be lying if I said that the chorus to the song you posted doesn't sound catchy when I've heard it from various outlets. To also be fair, I liked their first main single when it debuted on Headbangers' Ball in 2007 before anyone knew who they were or liked them and that was The Bleeding.

Do I like FFDP? No, I don't. But there's a lot worse out there but this mainstream metal band is bland in the long run.

[Sutekh]

I don't know, I find Machine Head's albums post-Through the Ashes of Empires to be top notch, myself.
Seriously?

blackening tracks were good live but top notch? Top notch is master of puppets, vulgar display of power, reign in blood.i do like them, but they dont convince me (jesus that sounds pretentious.... Apologies).

PS those lyrics above are the lyrics of a bitch. "did you hear the one about me giving a shit/because if you did i dont remember it" . Yeah that would be the "leave me aloooooooone" song youre singing right now

[theruiner]

I work with a bunch of butt-rock dudes at my job and they all think Five Finger Death Punch is the greatest shit ever, and I'm always saying that I remember like 10 years ago being into a band called Motograter that he sung for and they're always like "NO FUCKING WAY". FFDP is one of the worst fucking things I've ever heard in my life. Nothing pisses me off more than republican butt-rock songs that are about how fucking legit the army is.I think I know the people you work with.

Speaking of which, our local station that plays that bullshit had their annual festival show today and guess who headlined? If you guessed Godsmack, you'd be correct. Staind was on before them. It's like they just stopped paying any attention to music in 2001.

[Space Suicide]

Seriously?

blackening tracks were good live but top notch? Top notch is master of puppets, vulgar display of power, reign in blood.i do like them, but they dont convince me (jesus that sounds pretentious.... Apologies).

PS those lyrics above are the lyrics of a bitch. "did you hear the one about me giving a shit/because if you did i dont remember it" . Yeah that would be the "leave me aloooooooone" song youre singing right now

Top notch is a vague term, I'm not using it in context of metal bands that are better than MH. I liked The Blackening when it came out, I hsven't listened to it in years though.

Leave me alone song? I'm singing? I'm not a fan, I said it sucked. All I said was that the chorus sounded catchy by the way it's sung when I heard it. The one song I did like was years ago, my tastes have changed since then and I'm not really into metal anymore,inus a few select bands. Most of which are classic and the masters of their domain.

[Sutekh]

Leave me alone song? I'm singing?.

I think i made it pretty clear I was talking about those lyrics, im not sure why you think it was aimed at you... Unless you wrote the song! Also i didnt say anything about you, let alone you liking or not liking the song... Crossed wire i think

it is a whingy leave me alone song... "I dont care if you hate me, fuck you wah wah" etc. The all time worst song in that vein is hate my life by theory of a deadman. Its a problem with a lot of nu metal though

[Space Suicide]

I think i made it pretty clear I was talking about those lyrics, im not sure why you think it was aimed at you... Unless you wrote the song! Also i didnt say anything about you, let alone you liking or not liking the song... Crossed wire i think

it is a whingy leave me alone song... "I dont care if you hate me, fuck you wah wah" etc.

Confuzzled!

Actually you said 'you're singing' and I was quoted by you so I didn't know if that just meant the Machine Head comment or the Five Finger Douche Punch one too.

Well I wikipedia'd it, LOL:


According to lead vocalist Ivan Moody, the song was inspired by rumors that he found on the internet. The rumors purported that Moody committed suicide, that his band broke up, and that he was a drug addict with fourteen children.

Anyways, back on topic as such things we discuss is probably related to the Shitty Music thread.

Anyone remember this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMx2dFjXpJ0

[Maximilian]

This was just after the 90s, but it's kind of a holdover. Cool band, I thought:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYYCNHXiWk0&ob=av2e


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjvesZw-XtQ&ob=av2e

Apparently, the singer is a vice principal at some school in Cali now.

[aggroculture]

My favourite underrated nu-metal band:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2AIcJLmxEE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQk3tNFg3KE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar2Vz_rv3gM

[neorev]

90s was more about electronica than nu-metal for me though I did enjoy Korn, Orgy, and early Limp Bizkit back then.
But the real albums that I couldnt stop playing was The Prodigy's "Music For The Jilted Generation" and "The Fat Of The Land," Chemical Brothers "Dig Your Own Hole," Atart Teenage Riot's "Burn Berlin Burn," Junkie XL's "Saturday Teenage Kick," and Underworld's "Second Toughest In The Infants" were some if my faves. I was mostly listening to rave and electronic music with the occassional rock like Nirvana and Nine Inch Nails.

[aggroculture]

I'll never forget constantly making fun of how stuffy the dude from Deadsy sounded on their track from that CD. "THIS IS A SONG OFF OUR NEW OW-BUMB".

Damn I was disappointed by Deadsy live and their second album. The first album(s) is/are rad (I mean both the Sire version and the Elementree version):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWjgS4O1Aes&ob=av2e
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsNo-4dg2HA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_nyMDwMkW4

[fillow]

Back in the day I loved this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Fast_and_Furious:_Music_from_and_Inspired_by_ the_Motion_Picture_The_Fast_and_the_Furious) soundtrack

[richardp]

Fuck that. THIS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spawn_(film)#Soundtrack) was my favorite soundtrack of the 90s.

[aggroculture]

No no no, it was this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_Night_(soundtrack)). Well, at least from the point of view of rap-metal.

[xmd 5a]

Got a soft spot for this one, I'll admit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSvD5SM_uI4

[Sutekh]

some controversies for you...

were any of these "Nu Metal"? Or did they get unfairly lumped in

System of a Down's first 2
Deftones - White Pony
Slayer - Diabolus in Musica

I'd say 3rd one yes but the rest no. But then the elements that qualify Diabolus are definitely present in SOAD. ooooo

[aggroculture]

Deftones and SOAD were, and are, nu-metal bands. But we don't call them that today because it's a dirty word.
Slayer not.

[Sutekh]

HALT

ze question is not "are slayer nu metal", it's "is diabolus in musica nu metal"... in the way celtic frost aren't glam but Cold Lake is

personally I wouldn't say Deftones and SOAD are, but as you say... it's probably because Nu Metal is a term I equate with "Shite", and I don't think of those bands as shite

[frankie teardrop]

by genre definition, both deftones and SOAD are nu metal, absolutely. whether you like them or not doesn't come into play when looking at a more rigid form of academic categorization. sounds like youi're feeling guilty, but you like a nu metal album or two. don't worry, it'll be all right. i like white pony quite a bit, but it's the post-punk and shoegaze overtones that set it apart from the crowd for me.

can't speak for the slayer album, though.

[ViN]

That Slayer album is influenced by 90s metal like Sepultura and Pantera but I wouldn't call it nu metal. Groove metal maybe. God Hates Us All was influenced by Slipknot though so that Slayer album would be the one I'd call most nu metal-like. But it's still not straight up nu metal.

Deftones and SOAD were nu metal at one point in time but they incorporated a lot of different styles into their sound.

[Jinsai]

I guess I'm confused about the definition of what "Nu Metal" is then... doesn't there have to be a white guy in the band who raps (and occasionally screams about his parents) for it to be considered Nu Metal?.. and even then, just because there's elements of hip hop in the vocal delivery doesn't immediately tag it as a part of this genre does it? We don't consider Rage Against the Machine "nu metal" do we?

I don't really like System of a Down that much, but I don't see how they're Nu Metal... is there a "hip hop" thing going on with them at all? And while I could see the thing with the Deftones, I would personally think that their overall sound is so completely different from everything I've heard that is classified as such. As a genre tag, it would somewhat fail to describe what they sound like wouldn't it?

Can someone help me out here and give me a clearer definition of exactly what the sound of this genre entails? Then again, I'm often confused about the genres they slap on a lot of rock. "Alternative" and "grunge" come to mind as the most meaningless genre tags ever, with grunge especially seeming to refer more to the clothes that people were wearing than anything else. Then along lately has come this newly rebranded "indie" tag... In the 90s, "indie" meant you were on an indie label... now it seems to mean that everyone in the band met at a swedish boarding school.

[Sutekh]

But do Korn have rapping? Having this exact same discussion on FB... it's a good one!


by genre definition, both deftones and SOAD are nu metal, absolutely. whether you like them or not doesn't come into play when looking at a more rigid form of academic categorization. sounds like youi're feeling guilty, but you like a nu metal album or two. don't worry, it'll be all right. i like white pony quite a bit, but it's the post-punk and shoegaze overtones that set it apart from the crowd for me.


lol... feel free to phone the wanky police, but I categorise White Pony alongside albums like The Cure's Pornography, and stuff like Jesu - and quite apart from every single other thing Deftones have done. This is in my own little land where I am King though.


ViN - you could say that Diabolus was just a product of Pantera - but you could say the same about Nu Metal in general

My friend on FB defines Nu thusly

"I define nu-metal as bands that played usually in drop tuning, and pretty much stayed on the top two strings. Eliminate melody and focus on the downbeat. No double bass or blasting, but instead play jazzy, urban percussion. And, of course, turn the bass guitar up louder than everyone else. "

I think that's pretty much spot on

[frankie teardrop]

i'm no expert, but a few key touchstones as i understand them:
~groove based, riff heavy, lack of solos, downtuned guitars
~electronic textures (djs, mostly- scratching or spooky synths)
~mixing different vocal styles (alternating rapping/screaming/scatting/whatever have you)

what differentiates it from groove metal is the pop song/commercial friendly structure. seems like one of the more easy-to-grasp genres to me, though of course each of the big players has (or should have, if they're worth their salt) their own defining features.

EDIT:

lol... feel free to phone the wanky police, but I categorise White Pony alongside albums like The Cure's Pornography, and stuff like Jesu - and quite apart from every single other thing Deftones have done.

and that's exactly why i like that record...lots of cure and cocteau twins mixed in with some of the otherwise general genre staples.

[Conan The Barbarian]

Slayers diabolus in musica was a response to the nu metal. Kerry going on saying "showing them how its done. " which I don't understand how since it contains solos where as the bands at the time stayed far away from it.


I like that album alot too and don't get why the fans and the band look down on it.


I myself don't like the tag nu metal since a lot of the bands kinda get lumped in there. I believe slipknot doesn't fit that genre at all. But others will disagree.

Even people throw linkin park in there, there isn't even an ounce of anything remotely metal in there.

[Jinsai]

Even people throw linkin park in there, there isn't even an ounce of anything remotely metal in there.

well, they seem to fit the checklist there a lot closer than System of a Down does. They have kids rapping on top of distorted riff rock about how insecure they are, interchanged with screaming, no guitar solos, wikka-wikka-DJ scratching, and cheesy "spooky" synths.

And I mean, there's a lot of bands that are called "nu metal" that don't seem very "metal." I don't think Papa Roach was very "metal," but they're pretty much the first band that springs to mind when I think of nu metal.

[Space Suicide]

I myself don't like the tag nu metal since a lot of the bands kinda get lumped in there. I believe slipknot doesn't fit that genre at all. But others will disagree.

Me either but basically any band that was metal influenced or infused that came out between 1994-1999 and was popular is labeled nu-metal by law, for some reason.

[Kid Charlemagne]

I can't let this thread die, especially since the Manson thread has 50+ pages of garbage, I'd say the nu-metal timeline was really from '97 till about '02, plenty of bands going in there that don't belong though. SOAD is one of them, don't remember hearing any sort of hip-hop influence in their songs.

Oh and Space Suicide, I really want to like you, but how in the shit can you defend that Five Finger Death Punch joint? Those bros are like the worst band I've heard in the past five years. Shitty chugging riffs, dog growl vocals, lyrics out of a teenage journal. Hate those guys SO SO MUCH!

[Space Suicide]

Oh and Space Suicide, I really want to like you, but how in the shit can you defend that Five Finger Death Punch joint? Those bros are like the worst band I've heard in the past five years. Shitty chugging riffs, dog growl vocals, lyrics out of a teenage journal. Hate those guys SO SO MUCH!

I don't like them. The crowd that likes them are macho-man, typical 2000's metal heads that are crazy proud American boys - so not me. I just said the chorus was catchy when I've heard it, enough to make me know it when I do hear it, sadly. The song writing is atrocious in it and my line about The Bleeding was insufferable truth...then again I was a lame 16 year old at the time with no class or taste really. But even then I only liked that one song.

Do I crank that song now? Fuck no.

And on topic to your line I'd say that's about right. I did mention early resurgence in about 1994 since Korn came out then but nu-metal's main prime time was 1997-2001 I'd wager.

[Kid Charlemagne]

Any chance for a resurgence in future years considering all the 90's nostalgia recently?

[Space Suicide]

Any chance for a resurgence in future years considering all the 90's nostalgia recently?

Who knows.

Question for everyone!

I notice and read up on nu-metal, there tends to be two 'styles': one is darker and leans towards being 'goth' and the other is hip-hop rap influenced usually. What's your favorite of the two?

[Kid Charlemagne]

Hip-Hop in a way since that's what I was into. In a way, Significant Other had a huge impact on me unfortunately as any album did in my youth. Then again, I sort of like "Follow the Leader" as well. I don't know, that's a real loaded question.

[richardp]

I definitely liked the darker goth side of Nu-Metal. I was real big into Coal Chamber, Fear Factory, Orgy, Spineshank, and Slipknot when they had put the self titled album out. In fact, I remember seeing the Living La Vida Loco tour twice in 1999. Once was with Static-X, Machine Head, Coal Chamber, and Fear Factory... and then like a month later Dope, Slipknot, and Coal Chamber.

Then again at the same time, as Kid did, I still enjoyed Significant Other and was really big into Follow The Leader, although I was REALLY into Issues, because it was more dark and "goth" or whatever.

[Kid Charlemagne]

Issues was underrated at it's time, I'm not ashamed to say that there's a handful of tracks on that album that I would still listen to. Follow the Leader wasn't bad as wll. Granted outside of the singles that have been put out I haven't heard these songs in years, but they're good for what they were and a shitload better than the dubstep songs that I heard them do.

[BenAkenobi]

...and Fear Factory...
hmmm numetal, really?
---
i mean, i understand SOAD being mentioned but FF is a whole different story ☺

[Space Suicide]

To answer my own question I listen to a little bit of both styles but my favorite nu-metal bands were/are definitely Korn and Coal Chamber. I fucking love Chamber Music and Dark Days was such a good album. Then again, I love their self-titled too.


Issues was underrated at it's time, I'm not ashamed to say that there's a handful of tracks on that album that I would still listen to. Follow the Leader wasn't bad as wll. Granted outside of the singles that have been put out I haven't heard these songs in years, but they're good for what they were and a shitload better than the dubstep songs that I heard them do.

I always liked Issues more than Follow the Leader. Follow the Leader has a few songs I enjoy but mostly ones I skip. One cut from that most never heard or listened to is Justin. I love that song.

[richardp]

hmmm numetal, really?
---
i mean, i understand SOAD being mentioned but FF is a whole different story ☺

Obsolete was definitely Nu-Metal.

[BenAkenobi]

richardp, are you sure you don't mean Digimortal instead?

[richardp]

richardp, are you sure you don't mean Digimortal instead?

Yeah I forgot all about that shit album. It was definitely more Nu-Metal than Obsolete, but I still feel like Obsolete was Nu-Metal. Edgecrusher, anyone?

[Deepvoid]

I can't believe I'm reviving this thread haha! Sorry guys.

I actually stumbled on my old Nothingface album "Violence". I am now realizing that these guys are actually pretty fucking good. I used to be a huge nu-metal fan. It's fun to go back and listened to some of this stuff. I still like to blast some tunes coming back to work stuck in traffic. The suit and tie confuses people. It's freaking hilarious.

http://youtu.be/iG5nwtTW4Vw

http://youtu.be/eeRaGG1W8zY

[Kid Charlemagne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg48-Z699aQ

[eversonpoe]

i always felt like orgy was too electronic-y/fashionable to be considered nu metal. i always take pride in knowing that my fiancee has a giant boner for jay gordon (of the 90s...not of the now) and she still enjoys listening to them.

[Kid Charlemagne]

I wish I could've lost my virginity to the first two Orgy albums.

[eversonpoe]

I wish I could've lost my virginity to the first two Orgy albums.

the first time i went down on my high school girlfriend, we were watching finding nemo. the movie ended and went back to the DVD menu, which had a 45-second loop that just...kept going...forever...

edit: probably should have put this in the fucking thread...

[richardp]

I wish I could've lost my virginity to the first two Orgy albums.

I was totally informed a few days ago that Orgy fucking played this club like 20 minutes from my house a couple of months ago. I nearly raged through the door when I heard that. I woulda jumped on stage and sung Revival with Jay Gordon. SO YA SEEE MY NOW RIGHTAFRONTAHYAFAZE

[Kid Charlemagne]

I was totally informed a few days ago that Orgy fucking played this club like 20 minutes from my house a couple of months ago. I nearly raged through the door when I heard that. I woulda jumped on stage and sung Revival with Jay Gordon. SO YA SEEE MY NOW RIGHTAFRONTAHYAFAZE

I would've been all like "SHE DREAMS IN DIGITALLLLLL!"

[Madmya]

Nu metal was a fun genre back in the teenage years. Lots of energy, fun to go spastic to. But yeah, largely grown out of it and don't like most of it. Some I'm still fond of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQCwRPod5tU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4k1V45b-Ww

The dollar bill is pretty rad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2jCbXiEQI4

[Deepvoid]

I popped Three Dollar Bill not too long ago. Stuck and Clunk still pack a punch.
I agree that Orgy was too electronic to be nu-metal. Candyass was decent. Didn't care for Vapor Transmission, although it's been years since I've listened to it.

Those two following artists were my ultimate favorite. Reveille was my definition of rapcore and loved Switched (formely Sw1tched)for their brutal verses and super melodic chorus. Still like them a lot. Honorable mention to Ultraspank (singer is now in Lo-Pro) who was more industrial metal than nu-metal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRGSo43GlOI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoo8majjvZ4

http://youtu.be/ErW_Q2sIjPg

[Halo Infinity]

Korn, Deftones, and Limp Bizkit will always be my big three from this era and genre. :) (And yes, I'm aware Deftones wasn't considered nu metal since 2000, even though it seems like there's a nice portion of White Pony that can still count as nu metal to me.) :p

[richardp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoo8majjvZ4

SWITCHED!!! Oh man I was way fucking into that album. I remember that band turning me onto Chimaira too back in like '03 cause the singer produced all of their albums.

[Kid Charlemagne]

My shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWdA1DKfbwo

[slave2thewage]

Is it true this nonsense is making a come-back?

[Kid Charlemagne]

Is it true this nonsense is making a come-back?
Hardly. Outside of a few people on this board that I talk to, nobody would even remotely admit to enjoying it. Unless there's a new wave of Pitchfork bands who are buying turntables, I highly doubt it.

[slave2thewage]

See, I got this message from a friend on Facebook earlier: "So there's a nu metal revival happening, except this time it's mixing in dubstep and rnb"

If this is true, I no longer fear hell.

[Kid Charlemagne]

I guess if you count that Korn/Skrillex dubstep album. Then again, I'm way out of the loop with anything concerning dubstep or modern rock radio. It wouldn't surprise me. This is the next logical step for bad music nostalgia.

[Halo Infinity]

I can't let this thread die, especially since the Manson thread has 50+ pages of garbage, I'd say the nu-metal timeline was really from '97 till about '02, plenty of bands going in there that don't belong though.
That's very spot on. 1997 makes me think of Life Is Peachy and Around The Fur, and 1998 for Follow The Leader. And 1999-2000 seemed to be all about Issues, Significant Other, and Chocolate Starfish and the Hot Dog Flavored Water. White Pony was also very huge in 2000. (And then Hybrid Theory first blew up in 2000-2001.) And then you had Slipknot getting really big with Iowa in late 2001. And then it began to fizzle out around the mid 2000s, or even mid to late 2003.

[richardp]

See, I got this message from a friend on Facebook earlier: "So there's a nu metal revival happening, except this time it's mixing in dubstep and rnb"

If this is true, I no longer fear hell.

Naw dude, there's no way that the Nu-Metal that Kid, Fragile Jake, and I hold so dearly will ever actually make a comeback. That shit is a genuine relic of the past.

[Pillfred]

Nu-metal was as an appropriate a term as alternative and really its next iteration.

[Deepvoid]

I forgot to include another favorite of mine. Ill Nino. Still very active.
I love Revolution Revolucion. Last album wasn't bad either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAkuX25E1Y4

[Sutekh]

Nu-metal was as an appropriate a term as alternative and really its next iteration.

You can also trace a pretty convincing lineage/evolutionary path for nu metal that leads back to godflesh & ministry... Strange to think such badness came from good

i have a crap nin book somewhere that claims nin are nu metal! Ho ho

[Kid Charlemagne]

Naw dude, there's no way that the Nu-Metal that Kid, Fragile Jake, and I hold so dearly will ever actually make a comeback. That shit is a genuine relic of the past.

Ticket sales reflect this. Korn was doing like a $5 show here this year from what I remember, and generally the shows that Powerman 5000 and your second tier nu-metal bands tend to only draw dozens of people and nothing more. Just be thankful we lied through it before we started reading ETS, Pitchfork, Stereogum...


That's very spot on. 1997 makes me think of Life Is Peachy and Around The Fur, and 1998 for Follow The Leader. And 1999-2000 seemed to be all about Issues, Significant Other, and Chocolate Starfish and the Hot Dog Flavored Water. White Pony was also very huge in 2000. (And then Hybrid Theory first blew up in 2000-2001.) And then you had Slipknot getting really big with Iowa in late 2001. And then it began to fizzle out around the mid 2000s, or even mid to late 2003.

Yeah, I guess around 2003 when I was a freshman in high school, I remember Results May Vary came out, but I had no interest in it I was probably listening to Hail to the Thief a lot by then. I sort of liked Vol.3 by Slipknot when it came out, but not as much I did when I was fucking with Iowa. By 2004, everyone was into pop-punk and all that horseshit.

[aggroculture]

All scenes wax and wane: glam metal/butt rock, funk metal, grunge, industrial, nu-metal, emo, pop-punk, leaving behind a handful of stars who outlive their scene. Nu-metal looks heinous to us now, but no more than glam or trad metal looked during the 90s. Now 80s metal and Iron Maiden worship are all the rage. Pretty sure Korn and Limp Bizkit will be hailed as legends when the time comes. LB have been staging a comeback around the world for a while now.
I think rap and metal have gone their separate ways in the last decade, but they are bound to come together again soon enough. Just need to wait for the band that gets it right. Though I do believe that on some level RATM broke the mold when it comes to rap-rock/metal.

[Deepvoid]

RATM and you could even include Beastie Boys who were rap/punkrock

[Halo Infinity]

By 2004, everyone was into pop-punk and all that horseshit.
I remember it all too well, even though I didn't get into any of the following bands, but I knew other people that did at the time. The following bands just came to mind.

Hawthorne Heights
Silverstein
My Chemical Romance
Simple Plan
The All-American Rejects

And while some of them had debuts in 2002 and 2003, they seemed to be "in" in 2004-2006, the same way Korn and Limp Bizkit were "in" back in 1998-2000. And well, I'm just too kind and looking into some of my tastes, I have no room to talk... as you would've noticed with the Kid Rock thread... but they still weren't my thing to say the least. Were these also the kinds of bands you were talking about?

[Kid Charlemagne]

I remember it all too well, even though I didn't get into any of the following bands, but I knew other people that did at the time. The following bands just came to mind.

Hawthorne Heights
Silverstein
My Chemical Romance
Simple Plan
The All-American Rejects

And while some of them had debuts in 2002 and 2003, they seemed to be "in" in 2004-2006, the same way Korn and Limp Bizkit were "in" back in 1998-2000. And well, I'm just too kind and looking into some of my tastes, I have no room to talk... as you would've noticed with the Kid Rock thread... but they still weren't my thing to say the least. Were these also the kinds of bands you were talking about?

Exactly. I mean, some of it was coming through as early as 2001 with Good Charlotte and Sum 41 but it didn't usurp nu-metal until around 2003, 2004 this shit was everywhere. I was in high school when that scene blew up but by then I was already into a majority of the music I'm into now (NIN, Queens, Radiohead, Pearl Jam, Wilco), That scene passed me by.

[Halo Infinity]

Pretty sure Korn and Limp Bizkit will be hailed as legends when the time comes. LB have been staging a comeback around the world for a while now.
I actually remember catching a bit of a documentary on Linkin Park on one of the MTV channels that did that for them. (Which had a small jab at Limp Bizkit at the beginning of it.) It was something like: And this is why people still listen to Linkin Park, and not Limp Bizkit.

I'm merely paraphrasing though. I'd actually like to see a documentary doing that for Korn, Deftones, and Limp Bizkit if that ever happened too. I guess I just find myself coming back to them due to not only nostalgia, but them as the first three bands I really listened to when I first got into any music at all from 1999-2002. Yeah, I got into music late, around like mid to late 1999.

They'd just have to at the very least cover Korn up to Issues, Deftones up to Around The Fur and/or White Pony, and Limp Bizkit up to Chocolate Starfish and the Hot Dog Flavored Water. I also like the idea of any of these bands touring together just like they did back in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

[Halo Infinity]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1PqUPVqphE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoLRsy01-s0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKDHeRIoyL0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIq4zcLC5jI

And here's Jonathan Davis and Chino Moreno singing Alanis Morissettes's You Oughta Know. ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8ctcjsB3AI

[Deepvoid]

I'm gonna plead the 5th regarding pop-punk. Haha!

I'm all over the place with my musical taste anyways ..
I guess what matter is that NIN is #1!

Anyways back to nu-metal. I found some other rapcore bands that I used to love.

Downset (ANGER!!!!)
Darwin's Waiting Room
Nonpoint
Level
3rd Strike
Stuck Mojo

[virushopper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3WGVNQKYl4

[Deepvoid]

Fuck yeah Dope! What's the song that goes "Fuck the police"?

[aggroculture]

OK I feel that with this page were are officially scraping the bottom of the barrel. Which is fine, just sayin.

[Halo Infinity]

Even as somebody that likes some nu metal and rap metal bands, I've actually thought most people have said, or would've said that about the very existence of this thread.

[Kid Charlemagne]

Darwin's Waiting Room

Fuck yes! I remember my brother's best friend was in a shitty rapcore band back in 2001, and gave me this CD because he listened to it non-stop. This song was my joint:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FlHCF65sgo

[aggroculture]

More:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5__TLrxTRk
(featuring Chad from Mudvayne on guest vocals)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5xoYrgX9rE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOaqcfTZgno

[Archive_Reports]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um7Jde0tn-c


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnkUsFCu50


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V3a8qDNcOs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsV500W4BHU

I will now go drink gasoline.

[SM Rollinger]

Orgy, all of Vapor Transmission was badass, but it was downhill from there.
Powerman 5000, When Worlds Collide and that cover of that Cars song were their only good ones. I saw them open for Adema (another crap numetal band) once, and like half the left after their set. haha
Mushroomhead Not new metal, not even close. I used to be obessed with these guys. But after XIII and J-Mann left, downhill from there. I saw them like 5 or 6 times back in the day. Their first self-titled album, Superbuick, M3 and the Remix album are all friggin amazing i dont give a shit what yall say. And here is my additional contrubition to this thread. I saw them once in the back of a little tiny bowling alley off of I-29 in Sioux City, and actually got some of the best concert pix i ever took cuz i was right up next to the "stage", enjoy (i sure as hell did):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/cb7deathride/IMG_2175_zps97044c41.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/cb7deathride/IMG_2184_zpse82d6306.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/cb7deathride/IMG_2244_zpsb931c500.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/cb7deathride/IMG_2250_zpsd87203e1.jpg

Oh, and on the topic of Nu-Metal, check this shit out from this 'tones show in France 2 weeks ago...


http://youtu.be/51p5UwGI6WE

[eversonpoe]

man, i LOVE cold's first two albums. i haven't listened to them in forever...

also, totally agree about orgy. candyass was good, vapor transmission was AMAZING, and then they immediately started sucking. :/

[Deepvoid]

Five Pointe O! Forgot about this one.
I had signed a co-management deal with Factory 81's manager back in early 2000's for a band I was managing. I needed footing in the US. Didn't work out in the end but it was good experience.

http://youtu.be/H1G3zu1xRHs

http://youtu.be/FhZ19QDypas

http://youtu.be/WsQhuxPsSjE

http://youtu.be/OXkJHvz0eN0

[Conan The Barbarian]

Orgy, all of Vapor Transmission was badass, but it was downhill from there.
Powerman 5000, When Worlds Collide and that cover of that Cars song were their only good ones. I saw them open for Adema (another crap numetal band) once, and like half the left after their set. haha
Mushroomhead Not new metal, not even close. I used to be obessed with these guys. But after XIII and J-Mann left, downhill from there. I saw them like 5 or 6 times back in the day. Their first self-titled album, Superbuick, M3 and the Remix album are all friggin amazing i dont give a shit what yall say. And here is my additional contrubition to this thread. I saw them once in the back of a little tiny bowling alley off of I-29 in Sioux City, and actually got some of the best concert pix i ever took cuz i was right up next to the "stage", enjoy (i sure as hell did):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/cb7deathride/IMG_2175_zps97044c41.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/cb7deathride/IMG_2184_zpse82d6306.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/cb7deathride/IMG_2244_zpsb931c500.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/cb7deathride/IMG_2250_zpsd87203e1.jpg

Oh, and on the topic of Nu-Metal, check this shit out from this 'tones show in France 2 weeks ago...


http://youtu.be/51p5UwGI6WE

I agree with you. I still bust out the first two records here and there.

Bwomp, enough said. Once the band hits the first verse, air drumming galore.

[Halo Infinity]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJJY6urKegc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwDed5zAjE8

[UnjollyIrishman]

My thoughts on the genre
I think there are 3 good Nu Metal bands, so in order of goodness:
Deftones (Although they are not anymore)
System of a Down
Korn (Could never get into them, and they are easily the worst of the three, but I get why they are good).

Slipknot are not Nu Metal. They are indescribable.
Linkin Park's first two albums are great imo, and I still hold those two in high regard, but their new stuff is pretty shit, and that's what prevents me from putting them in my three good ones
Everything else in the genre (Yes, even Limp Bizkit) does nothing for me, and is just mediocre. unless its a cover (Limp Bizkit's and Papa Roach, I'm looking at you.)
Overall, meh. 4/10. Its around the same level as Modern Pop (3/10) and Metalcore (5/10) for me, when its good, its really good, when its bad, its just meh. Theres more good stuff than Pop, but not as much as Metalcore.

[aggroculture]

What's "Modern Pop"? Like Kesha?

I was thinking of this thread the other day, and reviving it to pimp the first new Hot Action Cop album in 11 years: https://www.hotactioncop.com woo hoo

[UnjollyIrishman]

What's "Modern Pop"? Like Kesha?
Kinda, basically anything from 2005 to now.

[aggroculture]

Can we just call it pop then? Thanks!

[Vertigo]

Not a great deal of Linkin Park going on in this thread...
I was just listening to Hybrid Theory the other day, and that is a bloody good album in my opinion - no "for nu-metal" qualifier necessary. Tons going on in the mix, memorable hooks, introspective and evocative lyrics powerfully delivered; satisfying but leaves you wanting more.

I've just finished going through Breaking Bad's big Bluray box recently, and Hybrid Theory felt like it could have been a concept album for Walt and Jesse going to couples' counselling.

[Kid Charlemagne]

Who other than me and richardp are excited for this Korn/Slipknot tour? Seriously guys, I will be in the pit when this tour hits San Antonio, it's been a shitty year, I gotta let out some aggression!

[aggroculture]

I'll pass.
But I am excited about seeing Limp Bizkit in a month or so http://msn.mess.be/data/thumbnails/21/Fred_Durst.gif

[nvr_mind]

Me too. I'm going to the October 12th show in MD.

[Deepvoid]

Korn/Spliknot is only doing Toronto and I'm pissed about it.
I've seen Slipknot twice but never saw Korn. They are way passed their prime though.
Slipknot is always fun and heavy as fuck live.

[virushopper]

http://loudwire.com/dope-selfish-exclusive-video-premiere/

[ryanmcfly]

Korn/Spliknot is only doing Toronto and I'm pissed about it.
I've seen Slipknot twice but never saw Korn. They are way passed their prime though.
Slipknot is always fun and heavy as fuck live.

Korn was fantastic the last two times I saw them. Jonathan Davis seems much happier now is very entertaining. Slipknot is always badass live.

edit: I used to be a fan of Dope, and I still like some of their songs, but this new one is awful.

[richardp]

The last time I saw Korn was back in 2002 on the Tour With No Name right before I started high school, and the last time I saw Slipknot was that Subliminal Verses tour with Shadows Fall and Unearth. Feels like if I go to this Prepare For Hell Tour, I'll be bringing it home full circle.

[Kid Charlemagne]

Haven't seen Korn since 2005 I think? It was one of those holiday radio shows my local station did. It was Korn, Mudvayne, Sevendust, and Drowning Pool, oh and 10 Years. Korn was promoting See You on the Other Side and they had just been on SNL a week before the show. It was sort of a lackluster show, Mudvayne outshined them for sure.

Last time I saw Slipknot was for the 2008 Mayhem Festival with Mastodon, Dragonforce, Disturbed, and Machine Head. Slipknot were so badass, I got the shit beaten out of me in the pit.

[aggroculture]

I think the last time I saw Korn was on the dubstep album tour. And it was terrible. All the dubstep stuff was awful, and their regular songs at the end were too little too late.
I liked the SYOTOS/Untitled tours. I saw them on Family Values (must have been 2006) where Chino came out and did Wicked, it was awesome.
But since Korn III the band doesn't connect with me much anymore. I don't care to see them again, especially not as long as Ray Luzier is playing drums for them.
I really hope they reunite with David and make a record with no synths or programming.

And a Mudvayne reunion would be nice.

[Kid Charlemagne]

Hold up, Mudvayne broke up?

[aggroculture]

They've been "on hiatus" more less since Chad + ...the guitarist dude decided to focus on HELLYEAH (and recently the guitarist dude was fired from HELLYEAH).

[Deepvoid]

FWIW Ill Nino put out a new album about a month ago. Just found out about it. It's pretty good. Always been a fan since their first record.
These guys and Sevendust are the two bands from the 90s that I still listen to quite often.

[Kid Charlemagne]

They've been "on hiatus" more less since Chad + ...the guitarist dude decided to focus on HELLYEAH (and recently the guitarist dude was fired from HELLYEAH).

I forgot about Hellyeah, they're still around?

[richardp]

I forgot about Hellyeah, they're still around?

Hellnaw


::rimshot::

[Jon]

Greg Tribbett (the "guitarist dude" mentioned above) was actually a huge part of my life from about 12-14 years old. My best friend Danny lived exactly 3 houses up the block from him, and was a major influence in driving my friend's love for "heavier" electric guitar sounds.

Greg would very often have members of Taxi War Dance and Newborn Aggression over to just jam out (we were invited many times to hang out and uh, inhale something). It was special at the time, but took on a whole new meaning when Mudvayne kept plowing forward, not taking a break, and eventually breaking through.

Side note, I am somewhere in the crowd during the (L)ive (D)osage 50 concert that was released on DVD.

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Some "nu-metal" albums I still don't mind admitting I enjoy (90's need not necessarily apply):

• Mudvayne - L.D. 50 = THE BASS RIFFS! This entire album is solid beginning-to-end. Yes, songs like "Cradle" can be a little "too emo", but lyrically, that was (to me) a defining element of Nu-Metal.

• Static X - Wisconsin Death Trip = I honestly don't feel the need to explain this. Admittedly, I was a little creeped out by the sound samples throughout on my first few listens.

• Nonpoint - Development = one of the those albums that came along at an emotionally-relevant time in my life. This album and "Worship & Tribute" helped me through some extremely difficult times.

[aggroculture]

Do you know why he was fired from HELLYEAH?

[Sutekh]

Vinnie said he had "other stuff going on", which I guess is bandspeak for he's either off his tits or doesn't like them anymore

[richardp]

• Static X - Wisconsin Death Trip = I honestly don't feel the need to explain this. Admittedly, I was a little creeped out by the sound samples throughout on my first few listens.


Yeah no fucks given, I still listen to WDT all the time. That album is so goddamn good, it hurts.

[aggroculture]

I like all Static-X albums up to and including Cannibal.
Cult of Static is weak, and the solo album also.

[Deepvoid]

What happened to Wayne Static. He looks so out of shape now.

[aggroculture]

You might say he got Yoko Ono-ed.
Really bad call to feature Tera Wray topless (+ other non-topless dancer) onstage. So embarassing.

[Kid Charlemagne]

I have a picture on my phone of Wayne Static at Fun Fun Fun Fest two years ago. For some reason he was backstage with Run DMC.

[Pillfred]

-the last time I saw Korn ... it was terrible. -
I don't care to see them again, especially not as long as Ray Luzier is playing drums for them.

I really hope they reunite with David and make a record with no synths or programming.

And a Mudvayne reunion would be nice.

Pretty much exactly this.

Last time I saw them was before the dub step album came out. It was really underwhelming and not fun. I've seen them a few times over the years from since just after Life is Peachy came out and for a while they did pretty good. Like aggroculture i think alluded to i think, Ray Luzier needs to go. He may be a fine drummer but he's not the right fit for Korn and to me he's what brought down the show the most that time.

I recently went to see Machine Head a few weeks back and thought they still put on a good show. A lot of the new songs get kind of drawn out live due to there length and they didn't play to many of their old bangers they seemed to be having fun and everything sounded good.

Ultraspank was another band that i really liked from that times. Mainly the first album but the second one is pretty decent as well.

[SM Rollinger]

Well since I already added some Mushroomhead stuff a couple pages ago...


http://youtu.be/fKIlEZrIajA

(this gets real good from 19:50ish ownward :) )

As usual, if anybody wants a flac copy, just let me know.

[henryeatscereal]

Saw Limp Bizkit yesterday and enjoyed them a lot, of course things aren't the same as the 90's, but i'm glad i was able to catch them.
They played lots of covers, many people didn't liked this but it was ok for me, unsurprisingly they nailed "Killing in the name of" (by R.A.T.M.), Wes Borland is an amazing guitarist and Fred Durst, love him or hate him is a very charismatic and energetic "hype man", good show

[aggroculture]

There was a recent thread on theprp about nu-metal, and I discovered Stepa, who'd passed me by at the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ11y4JB_AQ

[SM Rollinger]

Revolver is reporting Wayne Static has been found dead. He was 48 and no cause at this time is known.

The first 2 Static X records were beast IMO.

[Butterscotch]

Revolver is reporting Wayne Static has been found dead. He was 48 and no cause at this time is known.

The first 2 Static X records were beast IMO.

I love those albums. Listened to them last night after I heard the news. Sad day.

[Deepvoid]

New Sevendust single. Doesn't look like they have their own thread.

https://youtu.be/1Qt3QbEzq7Q