Random NIN Questions

[piggy]

Hey, thanks! That's really good one. Last night I was listening to pretty much every notable recording of this song I've came across and I think I have three favourites including your bootleg. Although none of them is soundboard (I don't even think there is a soundboard rec. of Mr. Self Destruct), they sound really great. The problem is the song itself is really lound, fast and angry and the mics just don't keep up sometimes.

1. 2006, Champaign, Italy (http://reflectinginthechrome.com/shows/2006/20060210.html)
2. 1994, Columbus, Ohio (Hellraisers Bootleg) (http://greatwhitewonders.blogspot.cz/2012/12/nine-inch-nails-hellraisers.html)
3. 1994, Tampa, Florida (March Of The Devil Bootleg) (http://reflectinginthechrome.com/shows/1994/19941121.html)

No problem. There are also a couple of versions on YouTube that were made by pasting together bits of the song from the Appendage of the leaked Closure DVD. I didn't have time to play them and see how they turned out, but here they are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGWm06J3rg4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nMv6IpJM2A

[binaryhermit]

Technically, Champaign, IL is in Illinois. Heck, even if you were talking country codes, IL is Israel, not Italy. Italy is IT. (END ASSHOLE-ISH RANT)

[telee.kom]

Haha, sorry I'm an idiot. Should have chcecked it better, I thought it was Champaign, IT

[binaryhermit]

No big deal. We've all made bigger mistakes.

[telee.kom]

I have another. What songs in particular would you recommend to someone, who is not used to that heavy NIN stuff. My best friend is listening to stuff like.. I don't know.. Sigur Rós, Efterklang, Kings Of Convenience, Frames, etc. Not sure how to describe it, but if I would play him Downward Spiral, he'll sent me to hell with this. So I'm asking for some, maybe more fragile songs? So maybe something of Fragile? Or Slip?

[eversonpoe]

I have another. What songs in particular would you recommend to someone, who is not used to that heavy NIN stuff. My best friend is listening to stuff like.. I don't know.. Sigur Rós, Efterklang, Kings Of Convenience, Frames, etc. Not sure how to describe it, but if I would play him Downward Spiral, he'll sent me to hell with this. So I'm asking for some, maybe more fragile songs? So maybe something of Fragile? Or Slip?

show him Still, for sure. then head backwards to the fragile (maybe even starting with the Right disc and then going to Left).

[Vertigo]

The big singles are often a safe bet, particularly in the '00s. I'd start him off with the Trentticus soundtracks and Still, then throw in stuff like Only, Survivalism, Sin and Hand That Feeds to transition into heavier material via the accessible end of that spectrum, then Fragile Right.

So what Everson said, basically...

[pigpen]

After watching that early Option 30 video of Trent, where he's super 80's and whatnot,
I started wondering where all of this darkness even came from.
I guess that's my "random nin question".. What sparked what eventually became a 25 year hellride, full of angst and despair, and
why hasn't it, for the most part, relented? I understand YZ is a shift from that, but then it gets right back at it with the slip,
and I can only assume from an album titled hesitation marks, that this isn't going to be much different..

Not that I'm complaining, I find TR's work to be some of the most compelling shit I've ever heard, I'm just wondering where
the path down that sad/angry road started..

[jessamineny]

It's probably just inborn (https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=biological+causes+of+addiction+and+depression&oq=biological+causes+of+addiction+and+depression&gs_l=hp.3..33i29i30l4.1426.8320.0.8677.45.32.0.9.9 .1.456.6657.0j20j9j1j2.32.0....0...1c.1.22.psy-ab..5.40.6330.WbhgpqDvfTw&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.49641647,d.aWc&fp=499e1ba2af9c7faf&biw=1252&bih=519), dude.

[pigpen]

Yeah, I suppose that's the obvious answer. I was just wondering that while watching that video, he seems like a completely
different person.

[TheBang]

I have another. What songs in particular would you recommend to someone, who is not used to that heavy NIN stuff. My best friend is listening to stuff like.. I don't know.. Sigur Rós, Efterklang, Kings Of Convenience, Frames, etc. Not sure how to describe it, but if I would play him Downward Spiral, he'll sent me to hell with this. So I'm asking for some, maybe more fragile songs? So maybe something of Fragile? Or Slip?
This might be good for him:

http://www.ninwiki.com/The_Definitive_NIN_-_Quiet_Tracks

[butter_hole]

Yeah, I suppose that's the obvious answer. I was just wondering that while watching that video, he seems like a completely
different person.
maybe thats the "fake" him and NIN is the "real" him?

(i actually think its the other way around)

[jessamineny]

Or maybe people's lives change... more than once, even.

[katara]

maybe thats the "fake" him and NIN is the "real" him?

(i actually think its the other way around)
I also like to think that Trent Reznor is Batman.

[BenAkenobi]

And Joker. And Riddler too.

[sick among the pure]

I still like to go back to Trent's answer of growing up for (19? some-teen.) years in rural PA.

[Maul]

I'm trying to find the deluxe version of And All That Could Have Been and people ask too goddamn much for it. How much would you pay for it? Just to know when people are trying to rip me off.

[jessamineny]

I'm trying to find the deluxe version of And All That Could Have Been and people ask too goddamn much for it. How much would you pay for it? Just to know when people are trying to rip me off.

It's your lucky day
(http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/1919-All-that-Could-Have-Been-US-Deluxe-editions-%28sealed%29-for-sale)

[Maul]

I'm from Spain,dude :(

[jessamineny]

I'm from Spain,dude :(

?? He'll ship internationally.

[Maul]

I've already checked shipping rates and there's no way I'm paying that.

[hologram parade]

does anyone know where i could grab the mp3 of all the love in the world version that has the extra dialogue samples?
it was originally in the definitive nin - deep cuts playlist (https://soundcloud.com/nineinchnails/all-the-love-in-the-world?in=nineinchnails/sets/definitive-nin-deep-cuts)

[tony.parente]

I've already checked shipping rates and there's no way I'm paying that.

Why even ask about the deluxe version if you refuse to pay international shipping?

[Maul]

Because I've found a seller from the UK through Ebay and the final price including the shipping is 30 euros (39 dollars aproximately) and I want to know if that's too much or it's too little.That's why.

[jessamineny]

Why didn't you ask about that specifically (in Marketplace) instead of some vague hypothetical about how you've been having a hard time finding one. :rolleyes:

[tony.parente]

Because I've found a seller from the UK through Ebay and the final price including the shipping is 30 euros (39 dollars aproximately) and I want to know if that's too much or it's too little.That's why. Just because your location is in a pile of shit doesn't mean you have to act like one.

[Blackbookpress1984]

Seeing as to how this has been resolved with the lot of ATCHB deluxe cds I have, why don't we be nice here? KTHANKS.

[Leviathant]

Just because your location is in a pile of shit doesn't mean you have to act like one.

Tony, that's not how we do it here. Please keep it civil.

[tony.parente]

Tony, that's not how we do it here. Please keep it civil.

Sorry man, there was way too much snark for me.

[telee.kom]

I've already checked shipping rates and there's no way I'm paying that.

Since I'm ordering things from US to Europe all the time I can tell you that the lowest price for shipping is about 8-10$, which isn't that much if you ask me (it's pretty much the same price as domestic shipping in my country). It's called something like "Standard international mail shipping" without any fancy stuff like insurance and it will probably take some time to deliver, but it will work. Also with price about 25$ I think you would be free of any custom duty taxes, so 35$ should be the final price

[Maul]

Why didn't you ask about that specifically (in Marketplace) instead of some vague hypothetical about how you've been having a hard time finding one. :rolleyes:

Once I posted here,I found the seller and then my price range changed.Sorry for posting in the wrong thread anyway and offending that tony.parente dude.

Oh and thank you for the shipping info.Last time I ordered something from the US,the lowest shipping rates were pretty expensive and since that I don't trust US shipping that much.

[sa_nick]

Does anyone know what the sound quality is like on the regular TDS vinyl vs the picture disc release? I know Trent wasn't involved with the picture disc so I have no idea how it'll sound.

EDIT: Fuck it, I'll just both. That way I don't have to worry about the pic disc getting scratched :D

[seasonsinthesky]

Does anyone know what the sound quality is like on the regular TDS vinyl vs the picture disc release? I know Trent wasn't involved with the picture disc so I have no idea how it'll sound.

EDIT: Fuck it, I'll just both. That way I don't have to worry about the pic disc getting scratched :D

there's no picture disc on earth that will sound as good as the non-picture disc version; the fact that paper is stuffed into the grooves is pretty much a solid 'never going to sound good' indicator. (and TR wasn't involved with the non-picture disc release either, they're both label cash grabs.)

[eversonpoe]

(and TR wasn't involved with the non-picture disc release either, they're both label cash grabs.)

are you referring to the original promo only version that came out in '94, or the "back to black" reissue that came out a couple years ago?

[butter_hole]

since when is a perfectly high quality re-issue of an out of print album a cash grab? did trent not want the album out on vinyl? never got the upset behind that.

[jmtd]

Good question. Is the audio on the BTB release inferior in some way? (Non picture disc versions I mean)

[eversonpoe]

Good question. Is the audio on the BTB release inferior in some way? (Non picture disc versions I mean)

i listened to it last month and it sounded fine to me. maybe not quite as dynamic as the original promo-only version (which i also have), but still darn good.

[seasonsinthesky]

indeed i meant the 'Back to Black' reissue, but it's just the same as the original promo anyway.


since when is a perfectly high quality re-issue of an out of print album a cash grab? did trent not want the album out on vinyl? never got the upset behind that.

because they didn't even bother fixing the tracking errors? it's literally and exactly the promo that wasn't released properly in 1994, no alterations, not even the new remastering. why wasn't the promo issued properly when the album came out? it's a guessing game, but looking at the scant facts we have, it seems likely that errors such as the intros of IDNWT and Reptile being left on the ends of the previous sides would have prevented a details guy like TR from letting it out the door. all Island/TVT probably wanted to do in 2008 was slap that baby on the shelves because vinyl is the retro hot ticket item and they'll be damned if they won't have one of their classic '90s allstars roster (and TVT's biggest money maker) not represented on the returning fad (debatable, but i'm talking like the record label here). look at the care that went into preparing all the audio for The Fragile vinyl, or even just the PHM remastered vinyl — he separated Sanctified and SICNH, a segue that was obviously very carefully constructed using Piggy himself, because professionals adapt the album sequence to fit the delivery medium or you have a shit quality product that rips people off.

i also doubt, from his track record, TR would ever be okay a picture disc for a major LP. what crap. the whole deal is a waste of cash. (i'm sure the artwork looks nice, but that doesn't justify those prices. go buy those album cover flats from The Spiral to hang on your wall.)

[Pyract]

Does anyone know what the sound quality is like on the regular TDS vinyl vs the picture disc release? I know Trent wasn't involved with the picture disc so I have no idea how it'll sound.
I believe with picture discs, the actual grooves are pressed into a plastic laminate. The few I have all have very noticeable surface noise that's absent from their standard black vinyl counterpart.

[sa_nick]

Man, I remember reading about the Reptile ending but I didn't know IDNWT had it as well. So fucking lame. I assume the BTB release didn't bother to correct it either .__.

[Ryan]

Who is Blumpy? I see him credited all the time as engineering, etc, did a Google search and got this -

Urban Dictionary: blumpy (http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.urbandictionary.com%2Fdefine. php%3Fterm%3Dblumpy&ei=0q30UemeKIvtlAX77oGoDA&usg=AFQjCNFIdVvlop1VIK7lK739gdHnWad0BQ&sig2=NEaoB_jV5RkKU0O7R6h2lA&bvm=bv.49784469,d.dGI)www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blumpy‎
The act of giving head while the receiver is taking a shit.

[butter_hole]

Who is Blumpy? I see him credited all the time as engineering, etc, did a Google search and got this -

Urban Dictionary: blumpy (http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.urbandictionary.com%2Fdefine. php%3Fterm%3Dblumpy&ei=0q30UemeKIvtlAX77oGoDA&usg=AFQjCNFIdVvlop1VIK7lK739gdHnWad0BQ&sig2=NEaoB_jV5RkKU0O7R6h2lA&bvm=bv.49784469,d.dGI)

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blumpy‎
The act of giving head while the receiver is taking a shit.
I always assumed it was a pseudonym for someone in the NIN camp, or even Trent?

[Ryan]

I always assumed it was a pseudonym for someone in the NIN camp, or even Trent?

Possibly. The fact that that was the first result made me lol though.

[ItsJustDave]

I always assumed it was a pseudonym for someone in the NIN camp, or even Trent?

Blumpy is an engineer. http://www.recordproduction.com/blumpy.htm



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[PhoenixML]

Do you think that the NIN Greatest Hits will be haloless?

[Ryan]

I was at work today and the last discussion I was having was prior to the Korean show coming up.

So, I haven't heard Disappointed or What If We Could? Can anyone please provide links and lyrics (for the former) in response to this post please?

I got up at 6am, it's now 10:43 pm and I literally just stopped working. So yeah, too tired to read, just need links and lyrics, and any other interesting misc info I might've missed out on.

xoxo

[Skeptikk]

I was at work today and the last discussion I was having was prior to the Korean show coming up.

So, I haven't heard Disappointed or What If We Could? Can anyone please provide links and lyrics (for the former) in response to this post please?

I got up at 6am, it's now 10:43 pm and I literally just stopped working. So yeah, too tired to read, just need links and lyrics, and any other interesting misc info I might've missed out on.

xoxo

The longest copy of "Disappointed" we have so far (Starts at 2:05 in)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya8jYMPJA3s&feature=player_detailpage&t=12 3

What if We Could - Just 16 seconds of it so far. Here's hoping we see more soon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIaGy72rIk0

[Janus3659]

"What if we could?"... where is this song from? It's not on the HM tracklist.

[PhoenixML]

One of the best song off the Dragon Tattoo soundtrack.

[Janus3659]

OH. Yep, didn't even think of that. Thanks

[PhoenixML]

Are there "many" full live soundboard recording of NIN? Beside AATCHB, Beside You In Time, The Gift and Fuji Festival 2013? Audio and/or video?

[ryanmcfly]

Are there "many" full live soundboard recording of NIN? Beside AATCHB, Beside You In Time, The Gift and Fuji Festival 2013? Audio and/or video?

http://www.reflectinginthechrome.com/exclusives/prorecordings.html

[Ryan]

The longest copy of "Disappointed" we have so far (Starts at 2:05 in)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya8jYMPJA3s&feature=player_detailpage&t=12 3

What if We Could - Just 16 seconds of it so far. Here's hoping we see more soon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIaGy72rIk0

Cheers! :-)

[W.O.R.M]

Hope I'm posting this in the right place, since its just a random question.

Does anyone know where I might be able to find some certain multi-tracks.....
I don't want to say more since I know its not something thats supposed to be talked about.

But if anyone knows what I'm talking about, or has some info or could at least point me in the right direction I would be very grateful. THANKS

Just PM as not to clutter up the thread.

[PhoenixML]

I believe all the multitracks (2-3 from With Teeth and The Slip) are on remix.nin.com
The Year Zero multitracks are (also?) on the 2nd disk of Year Zero Remixed album.

[W.O.R.M]

I believe all the multitracks (2-3 from With Teeth and The Slip) are on remix.nin.com
The Year Zero multitracks are (also?) on the 2nd disk of Year Zero Remixed album.

Thanks Phoenix, I have all those and more....there's a small batch of "unspoken" ones I'm searching for. :)

[sheepdean]

Hope I'm posting this in the right place, since its just a random question.

Does anyone know where I might be able to find some certain multi-tracks.....
I don't want to say more since I know its not something thats supposed to be talked about.

But if anyone knows what I'm talking about, or has some info or could at least point me in the right direction I would be very grateful. THANKS

Just PM as not to clutter up the thread.
I feel the ones you want are under "unofficial" http://www.ninremixes.com/multitracks.php

[W.O.R.M]

I feel the ones you want are under "unofficial" http://www.ninremixes.com/multitracks.php

Yeah already got those, I'm looking for the other ones that aren't there......PHM, WT 5.1 ... I hope I haven't said too much ;)

[sheepdean]

Yeah already got those, I'm looking for the other ones that aren't there......PHM, WT 5.1 ... I hope I haven't said too much ;)
PHM's multis were never released, and as the album wasn't released in 5.1, there's no way to extract them either. WT's 5.1 tracks can be ripped yourself with a basic DVD ripper too, if you have the disc. As for the files, that's not allowed to ask for on here, but I'm sure google could help you :P

[piggy]

Just so you guys know, there are five more songs from video games that ninremixes.com doesn't have the multitracks for: "Terrible Lie", "Head Like A Hole", "Sanctified", "The Only Time" and "Closer".

EDIT: And no, I unfortunately don't have them.

[tony.parente]

Just so you guys know, there are five more songs from video games that ninremixes.com doesn't have the multitracks for: "Terrible Lie", "Head Like A Hole", "Sanctified", "The Only Time" and "Closer".

I think the elephant in the room is that he's wanting the nin multitracks from the rockband series.

[Reznor2112]

Does anyone know how to get a hold of one of the Case Mate NIN iPhone 4 covers??

[MrSlfDstruct]

Does anyone know how to get a hold of one of the Case Mate NIN iPhone 4 covers??

http://www.case-mate.com/nin/default.asp

It's been awhile since I looked, but when I WAS looking I never found them for much less than what Case Mate sells them for.

[Ryan]

Did Trent take the blood on the wall from Hellraiser II - "I AM IN HELL HELP ME," rearranged the words a little and used it for Help Me I Am In Hell?

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUsoV8KPQybPNJEv_jBAEpglvk3_laN qOfnsZcWnFyGdJe1SJ8

[wizfan]

Yeah. (ten characters)

[Ryan]

I thought so.

[draven]

can anyone tell me what specific show from the self destruct tour this is from? specifically from 1:10 onward... and is there a recording (audio at the least) of it floating around anywhere?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGWm06J3rg4

[simonn]

Anyone know what the Downward Spiral font is? Considering getting a Hesitation Marks t-shirt made (the original image with the fish bait (don't know the proper term!) and cuts on it), with nine inch nails:hesitation marks on the back, but need to know the font name before I go to the printers. Would buy one if NIN produced it but from what I've seen so far and from past experience, seems unlikely they'll make one....

[Leviathant]

Anyone know what the Downward Spiral font is? Considering getting a Hesitation Marks t-shirt made (the original image with the fish bait (don't know the proper term!) and cuts on it), with nine inch nails:hesitation marks on the back, but need to know the font name before I go to the printers. Would buy one if NIN produced it but from what I've seen so far and from past experience, seems unlikely they'll make one....

The font you're looking for is Fette Engschrift (which when used in conjunction with caps lock, becomes THE PERFECT DRUG font.)

[dominik]

In the NY Times interview (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/28/arts/music/nine-inch-nails-is-back-onstage-with-a-vengeance.html?_r=4&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1374755143-OtdQ0kGEkD/R5vIeNRalOQ&) Trent says that NIN are bigger then ever before. Do you think this is true?

[Fist Fuck]

In the NY Times interview (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/28/arts/music/nine-inch-nails-is-back-onstage-with-a-vengeance.html?_r=4&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1374755143-OtdQ0kGEkD/R5vIeNRalOQ&) Trent says that NIN are bigger then ever before. Do you think this is true?

If I remember correctly, he referred to ticket sales. Why would he lie? Also, NIN have been getting a massive media coverage. Even for each new song they debuted live they got a featured article. Trent really left an impression from 2010-2012 while the band was on hiatus. New band, new releases, impressive HTDA tour, 2 award winning scores, etc. So there are a lot more people now who are curious about what he's up to now, even outside the NIN or rock fan base.

[howdidislipinto]

In the NY Times interview (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/28/arts/music/nine-inch-nails-is-back-onstage-with-a-vengeance.html?_r=4&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1374755143-OtdQ0kGEkD/R5vIeNRalOQ&) Trent says that NIN are bigger then ever before. Do you think this is true?

I'm sure that's partially based on things like web/social media tracking, aka things that didn't exist in the early-mid '90s. But I also don't think it's inaccurate.

[pigpen]

Is there a centralized database containing various interviews from all the different eras of nine inch nails?


Nevermind, found what I was looking for, and it's was exactly where I assumed it'd be.

[gorast]

I think that assessment is accurate enough. NIN's getting a different kind of publicity these days, because they've gone from a rising star to a resurgent classic band that's still doing new, interesting things.

[simonn]

The font you're looking for is Fette Engschrift (which when used in conjunction with caps lock, becomes THE PERFECT DRUG font.)

Cheers for that

T-shirt ordered - just under £15...can't complain at that. Might even model it once I've got it.:p

[dominik]

Hm, I don't know. NIN got REALLY hyped when With Teeth came out, and they were really big when TDS came out.. so I don't know. But if Trent says it, I guess it's true.

[nothing8]

Why does listening to Nine Inch Nails on the train feel so much better than listening to them while sitting in the car as a passenger?

[Ryan]

Why does listening to Nine Inch Nails on the train feel so much better than listening to them while sitting in the car as a passenger?

Blocks out all the stupid people and their stupid bullshit.

[Blackbookpress1984]

Do what I do, block out the world, people watch, and sort of create your own music video / movie in your mind to go along with the music. just don't miss your stop.

[Ryan]

I do that too!

[nothing8]

Same here. I always thought it was weird, though. Always fun when you come out of that trance-like state and see all these other people on the train just staring at you :D

[telee.kom]

can anyone tell me what specific show from the self destruct tour this is from? specifically from 1:10 onward... and is there a recording (audio at the least) of it floating around anywhere?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGWm06J3rg4

I did bit of a research on Mr. Self Destruct live versions, trying to find the best sounding version and I come to an conclusion that there isn't any. This is the only one soundboard recording of this song, every other are audience recordings and this song particularly isn't really suited for recording with mics in the audience. These are my favourite version but don't expect anything special.

1. 2006, Champaign, I (http://reflectinginthechrome.com/shows/2006/20060210.html)llinois (http://reflectinginthechrome.com/shows/2006/20060210.html)
2. 1994, Columbus, Ohio (Hellraisers Bootleg) (http://greatwhitewonders.blogspot.cz/2012/12/nine-inch-nails-hellraisers.html)
3. 1994, Tampa, Florida (March Of The Devil Bootleg) (http://reflectinginthechrome.com/shows/1994/19941121.html)

[Fist Fuck]

I did bit of a research on Mr. Self Destruct live versions, trying to find the best sounding version and I come to an conclusion that there isn't any. This is the only one soundboard recording of this song, every other are audience recordings and this song particularly isn't really suited for recording with mics in the audience. These are my favourite version but don't expect anything special.

1. 2006, Champaign, I (http://reflectinginthechrome.com/shows/2006/20060210.html)llinois (http://reflectinginthechrome.com/shows/2006/20060210.html)
2. 1994, Columbus, Ohio (Hellraisers Bootleg) (http://greatwhitewonders.blogspot.cz/2012/12/nine-inch-nails-hellraisers.html)
3. 1994, Tampa, Florida (March Of The Devil Bootleg) (http://reflectinginthechrome.com/shows/1994/19941121.html)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPVtm9RRjgk

This.

[FRDU]

Just read on the Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter IMDb page that: Trent Reznor was approached about scoring and playing a minor part in the film, but the news leaked before the final decision and Reznor voted to pass on the project as the surprise element of his participation had already been lost.
Have I just missed this before or what's this about?

[jessamineny]

Here is his note on nin.com confirming his involvement (http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?59,1226115)

And here is his note three days later saying he had pulled out (http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?59,1227855)

[theimage13]

Anyone know if Pete Keppler is still mixing FOH for them?

[nobies]

It was probably for the best. Abe Lincoln: Vamp Hunter....how do you say.....sucked ass.

[Winter Is Coming]

Just DL'd the 2009 Hurricane Festival show. At the end of MOTP Trent says something like "maybe I was wrong about Germany all these years". He then talks about not playing any hits and for people to stick around if they like it. But says if they don't they can check out some terrible shit playing on another stage.

Two questions: the being wrong about Germany bit, is he referring to some shows they played in Germany a number of years ago and the crowd didn't really like NIN? I seem to remember people on here talking about something like that.

Second, anyone know if the terrible music he's talking about is referencing anyone in particular?

[jmtd]

It reminds me of something he said in Manchester in 2007 or so, something like "c'mon I thought Manchester was supposed to be hardcore"

[Papagolash]

Just DL'd the 2009 Hurricane Festival show. At the end of MOTP Trent says something like "maybe I was wrong about Germany all these years". He then talks about not playing any hits and for people to stick around if they like it. But says if they don't they can check out some terrible shit playing on another stage.

Two questions: the being wrong about Germany bit, is he referring to some shows they played in Germany a number of years ago and the crowd didn't really like NIN? I seem to remember people on here talking about something like that.

Second, anyone know if the terrible music he's talking about is referencing anyone in particular?

He seemed to always have bad shows in Germany, bad crowds, etc. Last time he was there he ripped into the fans who were dead and were wanting to see Rammstein instead and ripped on Rammstein for being a fire show act. That's what I remember from stuff he said after shows. Bad things just seem to happen whenever they went to Germany.

As for the other comment about terrible music, I think he's just talking about German festivals in general.

[billpulsipher]

Germany was the infamous show in 91 when idiot guns n roses fans pelted the stage with sausage and booed NIN off the stage

[BRoswell]

He may have also been referring to this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUSIC5nl3Vg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2zywRgdgus

[BRoswell]

Oh yeah, and this too:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA_-Y_hH0-g

[jmtd]

A fair few broken tracks were played live before the release, at least wish and physical, but I think either gave up or suck too.

[BenAkenobi]

much of PHM also performed live before album was out

[dlb]

He seemed to always have bad shows in Germany, bad crowds, etc. Last time he was there he ripped into the fans who were dead and were wanting to see Rammstein instead and ripped on Rammstein for being a fire show act. That's what I remember from stuff he said after shows. Bad things just seem to happen whenever they went to Germany.

As for the other comment about terrible music, I think he's just talking about German festivals in general.

The thing about Rammstein must have been Hurricane Festival in 2005 where Trent couldn't understand that the whole crowd went apeshit for Rammstein. The show itself wasn't a bad one for NIN as far as I recall. I can't find a quote for that, but it made me wonder at the time since he put them on the Lost Highway OST (maybe as a favor for Lynch?).

Also in 2005 he came into trouble and even posting about it on nin.com with "die toten Hosen" (a popular German punk band) when they lowered their backdrop onto Trent's guitars when a thunderstorm hit Greenfield festival in Switzerland. It turned out it was the promoters fault but still a little shitstorm ensued between both bands.

http://www.nin-pages.de/6_25_05.jpg

At 2005's Area4 Festival Trent posted a video on nin.com with the notation that "Deutschland kann meinen Kugelsack lecken" (Germany can lick my ballsack), but no one knows what went down on that festival as the shows in Germany and other German speaking regions were critically acclaimed by music magazines all around.

http://www.nin-pages.de/kugelsack.jpg

Further he went on about that "awful summer" on nin.com access:

http://www.nin-pages.de/Access vom 26.06.05.jpg

Then I remember a post (on ets even as teitan?) where he went on about Germany's food, bad crowds at festivals and shitty festivals in general, but that seemed pretty hate fueled due to the events during that year.

2007 was where it all collapsed at the Rock am See Festival with the power failing (http://www.ninwiki.com/2007/09/01_Konstanz,_Germany) and at Austria's Frequency festival were Trent had to deal with unappreaciative fans of "the Beatsteaks" and "die Ärzte" (both very popular German bands) describing it as the "the worst performance and certainly the worst crowd of the whole tour by far". Read about it here: http://www.ninwiki.com/2007/08/16_Salzburg,_Austria. Funny side note: "the Beatsteaks" are actually NIN fans eventhough one might beg to differ judging from their horrible live cover of wish.

The other performance 2007 shows in Germany, Austria and Switzerland were pretty incredible from my point of view (despite the usual hecklers during hurt which he even stopped playing in Frankfurt) and the band seemed to have a jolly good time in Munich (a city they visited twice in 2007!) when they closed off the European tour with support from Alec Empire that year. hurt was cut from the set though so there was no NIN logo for the crowd.

So, Trent's aversion to Germany is more likely due to encounters with over entitled shitty local bands, their fans and greedy promoters. And I hope he knows what he's gotten himself into when he applied to this year's Rock'n'Heim festival where things hopefully will go smoothly for NIN this time around like it did at Hurricane 2009.

[jessamineny]

If this has been asked here recently, I've missed it. The only time I recall Nine Inch Nails having debuted new material (i.e., the "world premiere" kind of debut)live before a studio copy of it is available was 1991, when "Wish" was played at some of the Lollapalooza shows. All the Year Zero stuff had been officially leaked by the first time it was played live, as had the With Teeth material (if I recall correctly). Can anyone think of anything else that premiered live before a studio recording emerged?



EDIT: Fuck. I suppose "Non-Entity" and "Not So Pretty Now" count as well.

I think "Survivalism" was debuted live in Europe.

[slave2thewage]

Wasn't Hurt aborted at the Frankfurt show in 2007 as well?


I think "Survivalism" was debuted live in Europe.
I THINK Survivalism was played the night after the radio debut. I'm not entirely sure, but I'm 75% certain that we got the radio rip beforehand.

Also, in response to the original question, 2005 was the last time we had debuts on tour. There were a couple of With Teeth tracks that were played at the small, small US shows in March, plus Not So Pretty Now surfaced on the arena tour.

EDIT 2:
Survivalism radio debut: February 16, 2007.
Survivalism live debut: February 19, 2007.

[dlb]

Ah yes, it was! Totally forgot about that, but hecklers during hurt isn't something that only occurs in Europe.

[opal]

Funny how I was both in Konstanz and in Interlaken (which could have been my first NIN concert ever, had it not been for that shitty storm).

[Max Leo]

Does anybody know where can I find the "Elephant" demos that inspired* Trent while writing TDS? (*J/K XD)

I remember the songs were on youtube a long time ago, but the channel of the guy that uploaded them is dead, and I would like to listen those "masterpieces" again just out of curiosity.

[Pyract]

Does anybody know where can I find the "Elephant" demos that inspired* Trent while writing TDS? (*J/K XD)

I remember the songs were on youtube a long time ago, but the channel of the guy that uploaded them is dead, and I would like to listen those "masterpieces" again just out of curiosity.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1ils586id3exti8/mg51MSD7TX

[Max Leo]

Thanks!!!11111111messagetooshort!!!!!!!!!

[slave2thewage]

Was this guy on crack when he tried the lawsuit? I'm listening to the tracks right now with a "WTF" face.

[tony.parente]

Man I wish trent was more active in social media, I had no idea about the shit that happened in germany but i'm eating it up.
Someone tell him to revive the spiral and start interacting again.

[radionarcotix]

Anyone know what Trent's fiddling with live in the beginning of "Copy of A?" Can't tell if it's an actual tabletop acid synth, or just a controller.

[Leviathant]

Anyone know what Trent's fiddling with live in the beginning of "Copy of A?" Can't tell if it's an actual tabletop acid synth, or just a controller.

Looks like it's one of these (http://lividinstruments.com/hardware_alias8.php)

[EndlessLoveless]

Anyone have a copy of that picture from the with teeth era where the band posed in a pic all dressed like "stereotypical mexicans"? I think they played the whole show like that...

[EndlessLoveless]

^^^I think it was for halloween^^^

[tony.parente]

This?
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/6695793/Nine+Inch+Nails+mexico1.jpg

[EndlessLoveless]

^^^Thats the one!! Thanks!! F ing awesome!

[tony.parente]

FYI: I typed "nine inch nails mexicans" and that's literally the first image.

[EndlessLoveless]

I tried that like, months ago and got nothing. And tried halloween, nin mexicans..etc...all combinations of it. Whatever, i have it now. What is the full story behind this? Do i have it right? I remember seeing it a long time ago and wishing i had a poster of it.

[EndlessLoveless]

And TR with a backwards baseball hat and that serious look...and moustache... I love it.
Nueve inch nails.

[slave2thewage]

It was done IN Mexico in 2005. Apparently someone asked Aaron as to why and he said "We got bored".

[MrSlfDstruct]

Is there any consensus as to the best available version of Now I'm Nothing, prior to its reappearance for NIN|JA?

[ItsJustDave]

Is there any consensus as to the best available version of Now I'm Nothing, prior to its reappearance for NIN|JA?
closure bonus footage

[howdidislipinto]

What's the best way to purchase a copy of Quake with the soundtrack audio tracks? Or I guess a better question is: ARE there versions that don't have the audio tracks or am I safe buying any old copy of Quake?

[Wolfkiller]

As far as I know, even the shareware had the soundtrack. I bought a bare bones copy at an expo when it first came out that was literally just the CD and it had the music. I think you should be fine.


What's the best way to purchase a copy of Quake with the soundtrack audio tracks? Or I guess a better question is: ARE there versions that don't have the audio tracks or am I safe buying any old copy of Quake?

[nothing8]

Are the pieces that Trent did for the Alpha version of Doom 3 available at all? Has anyone heard them? Do they even really exist?

http://www.ninwiki.com/Use_in_Video_Games

Been a massive Doom fan since I was young. I know the history about it all and thought it'd be cool to hear what could have been in the game.

[BenAkenobi]

http://doom3.filefront.com/file/Trent_Reznor_Sound_Pack;29308

[nothing8]

http://doom3.filefront.com/file/Trent_Reznor_Sound_Pack;29308

I was hoping that there were .mp3s of those files :(

[BenAkenobi]

you can unzip and listen those files but don't expect anything resembling music

[Vertigo]

Chris Vrenna has some cool soundscapes in the game though (not to mention the main theme).

:edit: To clarify what Ben's saying, the .pk4 files which comprise Doom 3's mods (and data files, for that matter) can be opened with basic archive extractors like WinRAR (and I assume WinZip). Then you just browse through the folder structure until you find the sound files, I believe they're in the .ogg format.

What's been leaked of Trent's work for Doom 3, via the game's alpha version, is alternative sounds for some of the game's monsters and weapons. Give me a minute and I'll come up with a list...
-Monsters: Imp, Zombies (inc. Commando), Pinky demon and a handful for the Hellknight.
-Weapons: Fists, Pistol, Machinegun, Shotgun, Chaingun.
-Player: Pain, death, jumping, landing (all of these voiced, rather hilariously, by Trent).
-Misc: The first NPC you encounter in Mars Base says a weird little prologue to the game, out of character, when approached and queried (I think he says something about shipping containers in the final game).

I've heard that there is far more work than this in existence, sitting on a disc in some dusty corner of Id's office. We wouldn't have gotten even this much if the game hadn't been leaked midway through development.
As for the quality of the work, although it's been intimated that this was by no means Trent's ultimate vision, almost all of it is of a far higher standard than the sounds which ended up shipping with the game. The weapons sound punchier, the monsters more menacing. I do prefer the vanilla zombie sounds, though. And none of this is coming from me as a NIN fanboy - I've loved the leaked soundpack since before I'd even heard of Trent Reznor, it actually opened the door to NIN for me (alongside Fincher's Only video).

[nothing8]

you can unzip and listen those files but don't expect anything resembling music

Forgot about that, currently on my phone at the moment. Just had a listen to a couple of the commando zombie sounds...they sound wayyyyyyyy better than what the game has now!

edit to include quote from Vertigo


Chris Vrenna has some cool soundscapes in the game though (not to mention the main theme).

:edit: To clarify what Ben's saying, the .pk4 files which comprise Doom 3's mods (and data files, for that matter) can be opened with basic archive extractors like WinRAR (and I assume WinZip). Then you just browse through the folder structure until you find the sound files, I believe they're in the .ogg format.

Thanks for that, I ended up working that out about 30 seconds before I saw your post :D

[WorzelG]

...What's been leaked of Trent's work for Doom 3, via the game's alpha version, is alternative sounds for some of the game's monsters and weapons. Give me a minute and I'll come up with a list...
-Monsters: Imp, Zombies (inc. Commando), Pinky demon and a handful for the Hellknight.
-Weapons: Fists, Pistol, Machinegun, Shotgun, Chaingun.
-Player: Pain, death, jumping, landing (all of these voiced, rather hilariously, by Trent).

I loved the zombie commando radio static 'kill him' etc thing - do you know if that was voiced by Trent? In the actual game you're so fed up by this time of things just leaping out at you it's refreshing to have some anticipation and menace from an enemy.

[Vertigo]

Probably. If you go to Pain3.ogg, it does sound like Trent. But for the most part (and this goes for the regular zombies too) they use effects that I don't know how to reverse or replicate, and it's hard to tell.

[tony.parente]

Question:
Has T-Rez and Bowie ever performed I'm Afraid of Americans live together? I can't seem to find a video of it on the tubes.

[dlb]

Question:
Has T-Rez and Bowie ever performed I'm Afraid of Americans live together? I can't seem to find a video of it on the tubes.

Bowie played it frequently throughout the years and performed it together with Sonic Youth one time. Trent only played it in 2009 as of yet. So unfortunately, no.

[tony.parente]

Bowie played it frequently throughout the years and performed it together with Sonic Youth one time. Trent only played it in 2009 as of yet. So unfortunately, no.

How does this happen? Wasn't that song recorded and released before the outside tour?

[Pyract]

How does this happen? Wasn't that song recorded and released before the outside tour?
Outside Tour was 1995, Afraid of Americans was late 1997.

[tony.parente]

Outside Tour was 1995, Afraid of Americans was late 1997.

Well shit. Thanks for the info!

[thevoid99]

How does this happen? Wasn't that song recorded and released before the outside tour?

Actually, the song was made in 1994/1995 and was included to the soundtrack of Showgirls but wasn't performed by Bowie until 1997 for Earthling and Trent later did remixes with for its EP and then did the song in 2009 for the Wave Goodbye tour.

[Pyract]

Actually, the song was made in 1994/1995 and was included to the soundtrack of Showgirls but wasn't performed by Bowie until 1997 for Earthling and Trent later did remixes with for its EP and then did the song in 2009 for the Wave Goodbye tour.
Oh yeah I should have specified the ep and remixes weren't until 1997. Thanks for clarifying!

[Fred]

What's the best way to purchase a copy of Quake with the soundtrack audio tracks? Or I guess a better question is: ARE there versions that don't have the audio tracks or am I safe buying any old copy of Quake?

"Any old copy" are the keywords; the Steam release doesn't include the soundtrack, which is nothing short of criminal. Not sure if you get the soundtrack if you download the game from id Software themselves. Probably not.

[howdidislipinto]

Thanks, Fred and Wolfkiller!

[Fred]

You're welcome! :)

[r_z]

Actually, the song was made in 1994/1995 and was included to the soundtrack of Showgirls but wasn't performed by Bowie until 1997 for Earthling and Trent later did remixes with for its EP and then did the song in 2009 for the Wave Goodbye tour.

Also the version that ended on Earthling is a remix/rerecording of the song.

[MrSlfDstruct]

Not necessarily limited to nine inch nails, but when you have a situation such as The Slip and Hesitation Marks offered in multiple qualities, is what you're getting as a download from nin.com the same as ripping the disc on your own computer at the same quality, or is it somehow considered better? I understand that a lossless rip of the disc should be equal to another lossless rip, but is the lossless version supplied directly a rip of the disc itself or the "source code" for lack of a better term?

I'm not very savvy on the tech part of this. Usually I'll always make my own lossless rip, but with the Slip I've always used the lossless file from nin.com despite owning the disc. Track specific artwork aside, I've always felt that since it's directly from the horse's mouth it would be how it's "supposed" to be.

[seasonsinthesky]

Not necessarily limited to nine inch nails, but when you have a situation such as The Slip and Hesitation Marks offered in multiple qualities, is what you're getting as a download from nin.com the same as ripping the disc on your own computer at the same quality, or is it somehow considered better? I understand that a lossless rip of the disc should be equal to another lossless rip, but is the lossless version supplied directly a rip of the disc itself or the "source code" for lack of a better term?

I'm not very savvy on the tech part of this. Usually I'll always make my own lossless rip, but with the Slip I've always used the lossless file from nin.com despite owning the disc. Track specific artwork aside, I've always felt that since it's directly from the horse's mouth it would be how it's "supposed" to be.

in the case of NIN, you're likely right about the idea of the 'source code'. specifically, there are two major benefits: you can get higher-than-CD-quality files (like the 24-48 downloads for HTDA), and by avoiding the CD ripping stage, you avoid any errors caused by your disc drive or the software used to grab it (like iTunes, ughhhh). granted, most errors that may occur during a CD rip may be inaudible, but that's a bit like saying MP3 compression doesn't matter because you can't hear the difference from the higher quality version — the differences are there whether we personally detect them or not.

[Blackbookpress1984]

where's the thread listing all the DL link for current tour footage?


I lost it

thanks.

[MrSlfDstruct]

According to Rob, the source for the lossless downloads should be the same as what's on the disc.

How the fuck do I embed a Tweet?

[xfocalinx]

Where can I download fonts from NIN eras? I remember they were posted on the old forum..can anybody help?

[Alabaster Creature]

Where can I download fonts from NIN eras? I remember they were posted on the old forum..can anybody help?I think Portrait of Decay likely has what you are looking for: http://collections.portraitofdecay.com/fonts/

[qotsa_1992]

Does the upcoming tour have the open camera policy again? I'd love to take my dslr but I haven't heard anything.

[BRoswell]

Can't say for sure, but considering that the band is now on a label, the open camera policy might not be in effect this time around.

[butter_hole]

Did any of Trent's old, old message board posts get saved, from the 1999 - 2004 Access days?

[jessamineny]

Does the upcoming tour have the open camera policy again? I'd love to take my dslr but I haven't heard anything.

Read from this post (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/1501-quot-TWENTY-THIRTEEN-quot-Taper-s-Section?p=95736#post95736) on, for discussion about that. The answer is no.

[Max Leo]

This is not a nin-related question, but could you tell me if the correct word is "(he) asks" or "(he) askes"? I swear that I knew the correct use of this verb, but my mind is being dumb at this moment.

Thanks in advance.

[Fred]

That'd be "asks".

[xfocalinx]

I think Portrait of Decay likely has what you are looking for: http://collections.portraitofdecay.com/fonts/

thank you! :)

[eversonpoe]

where's the thread listing all the DL link for current tour footage?


I lost it

thanks.

i believe you can find what you're looking for here (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/1968-RITC-s-Festival-Tension-2013-Audio-Video-Recording-Thread-Download-Links), kyle. it's also nailed at the top of the nin tour sub-section.

[Max Leo]

That'd be "asks".
Thanks!!! :)

[Fred]

You're most welcome :)

[thefragile_jake]

Does anyone have the video of Nine Inch Nails doing The Hand That Feeds on "Top of the Pops" or a similar style show? I remember him wearing a white shirt and sunglasses and I'm pretty sure Trent and the band had to lip sync their performance since that was the format of the show concept.

[The Reason Being]

I thiiink you're talking about CD:UK, a saturday morning show in the UK a few years ago, such a weird moment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMAJgk0tNk8

[dlb]

Been a while since I've seen that one. And it's not even lip synced! :D And his singing style is way different now on the hand that feeds compared to 8 years (fuck!!!) ago.

[thefragile_jake]

I thiiink you're talking about CD:UK, a saturday morning show in the UK a few years ago, such a weird moment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMAJgk0tNk8

Thank you! I haven't seen this in years, for some reason I thought it was a lip synced performance...but it clearly isn't. I love long haired Trent!

Plus it's interesting to note Jerome is still in the band, I forgot about that early 2005 era where he was their drummer sometimes...even though he left the band during the fall tour later in the year.

[FRDU]

My local record store in Helsinki, Finland has Hesitation Marks release date down as august 30. Hasn't had the chance to go there to ask them about it, just saw it online. Am I just late to the news or what's this about?

[pigpen]

Thank you! I haven't seen this in years, for some reason I thought it was a lip synced performance...but it clearly isn't. I love long haired Trent!

Plus it's interesting to note Jerome is still in the band, I forgot about that early 2005 era where he was their drummer sometimes...even though he left the band during the fall tour later in the year.

It looks like current trent is wearing a pretty awful wig in this video! hahaha especially in the close-up shots!

[dlb]

My local record store in Helsinki, Finland has Hesitation Marks release date down as august 30. Hasn't had the chance to go there to ask them about it, just saw it online. Am I just late to the news or what's this about?

Europe's got it on August 30th. And that's a fact! Check amazon and the likes for your country.

[FRDU]

And it's a friday! Gonna be a sweet weekend!

[Fred]

It looks like current trent is wearing a pretty awful wig in this video! hahaha especially in the close-up shots!

Don't think it's a wig, but his early W_T era haircut always did look a little awkward. Can't blame him for being more comfortable with shorter hair now.

[pigpen]

Don't think it's a wig, but his early W_T era haircut always did look a little awkward. Can't blame him for being more comfortable with shorter hair now.
Right, I know it's not a wig. It just looks like this new current version of TR is playing a show wearing a sloppy black wig on his head!
And long hair is a young man's game, anyway. Unless you want to end up looking like Adrian Belew, and no one wants that!!

[hobochic]

I thiiink you're talking about CD:UK, a saturday morning show in the UK a few years ago, such a weird moment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMAJgk0tNk8


Wow, thanks for reminding me of how much The Hand That Feeds bores the hell out of me.

[OchoBits]

Hi.

I don't know if this is the best place to ask about this, but: Have you guys heard rumors about a South America Tour for Tension?

I'm asking this because there are some HUGE rumours about them playing in Coachella Brazil/Chile in 2014, with Depeche Mode joining them (No in the same tour, but both festivals)

[Carbon Soul]

I'm guessing this means Copy of A is the next single?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ECJ2H4M/

[Vertigo]

That is a damn good way to make your third post.

[icklekitty]

Tuesday! Are they mainly going on the assumption that we've already pre-ordered the album and finding the download link in our inboxes was supposed to be a nice surprise?

[dlb]

When were [with_teeth] and year zero leaked properly?

[toomanyrifts]

That makes sense. It's why it (with CBH) has been played at every 2013 show so far.

Slightly disappointed. Was hoping for, well, disappointed.

[toomanyrifts]

When were [with_teeth] and year zero leaked properly?

Wasn't YZ leaked at the "Album Parties" just before the record dropped.

Well, I mean the songs that weren't found in tour venue bathrooms (Survivalism/Me, I'm Not/My Violent Heart...)

[dlb]

I'm just curious when we can "expect" a leak for HM.

[sheepdean]

The album leaks on 3rd September. You impatient bastards

[MrSlfDstruct]

Hopefully Copy of a will pop into our nin.com accounts (for those who preordered through nin.com) at midnight. I can't wait to hear the studio version.

[The Reason Being]

I sincerely hope that's not a genuine dead guy's face on the cover of my favorite band's new single.

[ryanmcfly]

I wouldn't mind spending a dollar for Copy of A really.

[butter_hole]

The album leaks on 3rd September. You impatient bastards
Album is getting a legitimate release on August 30. So....

[hobochic]

I sincerely hope that's not a genuine dead guy's face on the cover of my favorite band's new single.

He sort of looks like Twiggy J. White.

[butter_hole]

I sincerely hope that's not a genuine dead guy's face on the cover of my favorite band's new single.
Guess its lucky you're not a Mayhem (or Dead) fan.

[gorast]

Oh damn, that's a nice surprise.

It's also an indicator of my patience level that I shouted "RELEASE IT NOW" at the screen when I clicked the link.

[joplinpicasso]

According to ninwiki, there are no samples used in songs from the WT era...but I'm certain there's a sample of sorts that bridges EDIETS and the title song. Thoughts?

[qotsa_1992]

I want to start stamping my photography shots of events with a watermark and I think just my name would be sufficient but I want to use the kind of with teeth style glitch looking text. does anyone have any suggestions how to create this?

[jmtd]

No b sides? :( physical release?

Edit: so as to not seem a completely ungrateful asshole, I wrote that before I realised "copy of a" was free on amazon. Interestingly I got the HM cd artwork with mine, ordering from uk, whereas on amazon.com it's something special

[icklekitty]

Wasn't YZ leaked at the "Album Parties" just before the record dropped.

Well, I mean the songs that weren't found in tour venue bathrooms (Survivalism/Me, I'm Not/My Violent Heart...)

I'm sick of this.

Only the first USB was found in a bathroom, in Portugal. The rest were all taped to barriers etc around the venue (I know because I was there when two of them were found).

Nobody "gave out" USB sticks at any point either. It's just sheer sexual luck that on the night the Survivalism video was leaked, every single copy was found by an ETS member.

[seasonsinthesky]

According to ninwiki, there are no samples used in songs from the WT era...but I'm certain there's a sample of sorts that bridges EDIETS and the title song. Thoughts?

that sound is part of the title track (it continues through the verses, it's just hard to hear under the loud drums and bass). since we haven't heard it from somewhere else, you can't call it a sample. if we recognized it as a machine sound from some movie (see: "Reptile" intro), then it'd be a sample.

it's entirely possible it's sampled from somewhere, but nobody has realized it yet.

[screwdriver]

I want to start stamping my photography shots of events with a watermark and I think just my name would be sufficient but I want to use the kind of with teeth style glitch looking text. does anyone have any suggestions how to create this?

take pictures of the text and run it through this would be my idea:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/decim8/id392720563?mt=8

[MrSlfDstruct]

Does it seem like there might be some manipulation that TR does with his voice on his newer releases? IE, his voice seems much deeper in live performances and especially in speaking, whereas on studio recordings it seems like some of the bass may have been shaved off his vocals. His vocals on CBH and COA sound pretty similar to TF, and even moreso WT/YZ, whereas his live voice definitely has a bit more bottom end to it.

Or maybe it's just me.

[imail724]

Was Still the first recording of Trent's sobriety or was it recorded before his rehabilitation?

[r_z]

There are songs on there that stem from recording sessions for The Fragile. So, while the live recorded songs may be the first "sobriety recordings", the bulk of the studio versions are most likely recorded before his rehabilitation (same as "Deep", probably).

[katara]

Does it seem like there might be some manipulation that TR does with his voice on his newer releases? IE, his voice seems much deeper in live performances and especially in speaking, whereas on studio recordings it seems like some of the bass may have been shaved off his vocals. His vocals on CBH and COA sound pretty similar to TF, and even moreso WT/YZ, whereas his live voice definitely has a bit more bottom end to it.

Or maybe it's just me.
1: It's pretty standard to cut low frequencies so they don't interfere with the bass and kick. When on tour, they'll do this, too, but every venue will differ in the acoustic of the room and quality/placement of the PA.

2: When recording in the studio, it's possible to strain your voice slightly to get the sound you want, but you can take a break at any time. In a live setting, since there's no break aside from the encore, he most likely sticks to a comfortable place for his voice so he doesn't run out of stamina 1/3 of the way through.

[hobochic]

Studio vocals can often be delivered through minimalistic and subtle "whispers" that can be enhanced in a way that a live scenario wouldn't allow.

[The Reason Being]

Do people who got into NIN through Ghosts really exist?

[OSLIN]

Do people who got into NIN through Ghosts really exist?

That's like asking if ghosts really exist. No one knows.

[sheepdean]

Do people who got into NIN through Ghosts really exist?
I introduced a friend to the Ghosts album who hates NIN, and they liked it. They still hate NIN though. Does that count?

[dlb]

Do people who got into NIN through Ghosts really exist?

I guess while ghosts tracks are being used all around the internet, eventually someone might look up who the artist is and then listen to the rest of the NIN catalogue, baffled at first, but then digging it.

[r_z]

Do people who got into NIN through Ghosts really exist?

I did. I was watching some documentary about artists using CC and such. In it, they briefly showed nin.com and explained how even bigger artists are trying to find different ways of marketing and releasing their music and they mentioned Ghosts I-IV. This had to be shortly after the album got released. I meant to check out NIN ever since I heard EL-P's (whom I've been a big fan of since his underground rap stuff in the 90s) remix of "Only" (I loved the way Trent sang the vocals and still consider it one of his best vocal performances on record) and that clip about Ghosts reminded me to do so. I downloaded the first installment of it and was blown away by the production. So I've downloaded the whole thing, which took me a few days to digest. I then returned to nin.com to witness the release of The Slip (happy belated) and also looked for the latest release before the two, which happened to be Year Zero.

What followed then was the usual routine when discovering new artists... you know, trying to get a hold of every album, single, remix, b-side and whatnot. I loved the music and I loved Trents sense for artistic integrity. However, I sense a growing indifference to the newer stuff Trent's doing, because while I still very much like the production, the esthetic of it all begins to tire me and I'm often wondering wether Trent really feels the way he makes us believe through his music or it's just his way to sell the stuff. I know this may sound stupid, but as a non-native speaker I'm afraid I'm not able to elaborate this better.

Anyway... Ghosts started my NIN fandom, so yeah, those people seem to exist!

[Fangster_]

There's no Halo mark on my Closer (To God), either part. WHY THE FREAK???

Did they perhaps... hesitate on the mark? :o

[The Reason Being]

I did. I was watching some documentary about artists using CC and such. In it, they briefly showed nin.com and explained how even bigger artists are trying to find different ways of marketing and releasing their music and they mentioned Ghosts I-IV. This had to be shortly after the album got released. I meant to check out NIN ever since I heard EL-P's (whom I've been a big fan of since his underground rap stuff in the 90s) remix of "Only" (I loved the way Trent sang the vocals and still consider it one of his best vocal performances on record) and that clip about Ghosts reminded me to do so. I downloaded the first installment of it and was blown away by the production. So I've downloaded the whole thing, which took me a few days to digest. I then returned to nin.com to witness the release of The Slip (happy belated) and also looked for the latest release before the two, which happened to be Year Zero.

What followed then was the usual routine when discovering new artists... you know, trying to get a hold of every album, single, remix, b-side and whatnot. I loved the music and I loved Trents sense for artistic integrity. However, I sense a growing indifference to the newer stuff Trent's doing, because while I still very much like the production, the esthetic of it all begins to tire me and I'm often wondering wether Trent really feels the way he makes us believe through his music or it's just his way to sell the stuff. I know this may sound stupid, but as a non-native speaker I'm afraid I'm not able to elaborate this better.

Anyway... Ghosts started my NIN fandom, so yeah, those people seem to exist!

Awesome :)

[hani]

I got into NIN through WT and TS. you can all hate me now

[hobochic]

This might be "old" for all of you who've been watching and commenting on the Lollapalooza Copy of A performance since it aired, but, who the hell is the person on the left side of the stage and why is she dancing and playing air drums facing the audience with a bright spotlight on her?

Is she a sign language translator for deaf audience members? Is she a comedian?

Here's a clip:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqCR-GugRho

[Amaro]

This might be "old" for all of you who've been watching and commenting on the Lollapalooza Copy of A performance since it aired, but, who the hell is the person on the left side of the stage and why is she dancing and playing air drums facing the audience with a bright spotlight on her?

Is she a sign language translator for deaf audience members? Is she a comedian?

Here's a clip:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqCR-GugRho

Employed for the deaf. It was a joy to watch the two ladies in person.

[eversonpoe]

there was a lot of talk in the tour fapping thread about it, and someone even posted a short little doc about the sign language interpreters (there are several) at lolla.

[hobochic]

That's awesome. They should've included a close-up on the screen though, would've loved to see how they translated the "copy of a copy of a..." part.

[scorpiusdiamond]

Does it seem like there might be some manipulation that TR does with his voice on his newer releases? IE, his voice seems much deeper in live performances and especially in speaking, whereas on studio recordings it seems like some of the bass may have been shaved off his vocals. His vocals on CBH and COA sound pretty similar to TF, and even moreso WT/YZ, whereas his live voice definitely has a bit more bottom end to it.

Or maybe it's just me.

Simple answer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proximity_effect_(audio)
edit: well by simple, I mean simple for someone with a degree in sound technology
tl;dr - the closer a sound gets to a microphone, the bassier it gets. being that close to the microphone Trent uses means the bass frequencies are much higher.

[The Reason Being]

why is she dancing and playing air drums

This made me almost die from laughing

[AlanMorlock]

Whatever happened to this artwork? Is it not actually the cover to any iteration of the Hesitation marks release?

Just seems odd to me.

http://cdn2.thelineofbestfit.com/media/2013/06/nine-inch-nails-hesitation-marks-album-cover-500x500.jpg

[Alabaster Creature]

Whatever happened to this artwork? Is it not actually the cover to any iteration of the Hesitation marks release?It is currently the cover of the Hesitation Marks Deluxe Version on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/hesitation-marks-deluxe-version/id655150306

[Endlessly]

Was Still the first recording of Trent's sobriety or was it recorded before his rehabilitation?

He made some reference on Access to it being recorded "at the bottom" (here's the ninwiki link (http://www.ninwiki.com/File:2004_12_03Questions9.gif)), that's pretty much the only thing I remember hearing about it.

[captainbeyond]

This might be "old" for all of you who've been watching and commenting on the Lollapalooza Copy of A performance since it aired, but, who the hell is the person on the left side of the stage and why is she dancing and playing air drums facing the audience with a bright spotlight on her?

Is she a sign language translator for deaf audience members? Is she a comedian?



I love the motions she is doing for the "breakdown" part of Copy of A.

[butter_hole]

He made some reference on Access to it being recorded "at the bottom" (here's the ninwiki link (http://www.ninwiki.com/File:2004_12_03Questions9.gif)), that's pretty much the only thing I remember hearing about it.
TR has made his sober date public so you might be able to match up the dates and see when it was recorded etc.

[jessamineny]

When and where did he make that public? And do we have a "why" he'd share that with everyone? TR doing that seems not in keeping with the very private man we've come to "know" over the years.

IIRC someone asked him once in one of those Spiral chats, and he answered. It's also in his Twitter feed (just saw it when my Google-fu failed to find those Spiral chats), and it's even in ninwiki. So it's out there.

Addicts spend inordinate amounts of energy wrapping all their shit up in secrets. Maybe the transparency is part of his recovery. Or... maybe he just doesn't give a fuck. :D

[Yoshata]

I hate to be a pain, but I really want to know, does anyone yet have scans for the Australian Rolling Stone NIN article that came out recently? I checked and rechecked NIN Spotting, but even though a couple people asked about it and/or attempted to get them scanned, I haven't seen anything quite yet.

[butter_hole]

I hate to be a pain, but I really want to know, does anyone yet have scans for the Australian Rolling Stone NIN article that came out recently? I checked and rechecked NIN Spotting, but even though a couple people asked about it and/or attempted to get them scanned, I haven't seen anything quite yet.
I can do iPhone pics but thats about it

[butter_hole]

When and where did he make that public? And do we have a "why" he'd share that with everyone? TR doing that seems not in keeping with the very private man we've come to "know" over the years.

I didn't look for it, but I didn't hear his first kid's name 'til 2011 maybe. Hell, again, I wasn't looking, but I didn't learn his other kid's name 'til the interview last week.
june 11 2001 iirc

[imail724]

june 11 2001 iirc
So I wonder if Still was written/recorded in 2002, or earlier. I've always looked at The Fragile as Trent's last recording as an addict, and With Teeth as his first clear-headed work, but I've never thought about Still or Deep in that context before.

[WorzelG]

Is anyone else finding logging in and downloading stuff (like the copy of a single) a bit of a chore in nin.com? I found to login I had to click on 'tour' which seems to be the only place the login button is, then click on music and then make as if I was ordering something and only then did the 'my cart' thing appear. Am I missing something really obvious or do you have to go back to your email to find this.

[eversonpoe]

Is anyone else finding logging in and downloading stuff (like the copy of a single) a bit of a chore in nin.com? I found to login I had to click on 'tour' which seems to be the only place the login button is, then click on music and then make as if I was ordering something and only then did the 'my cart' thing appear. Am I missing something really obvious or do you have to go back to your email to find this.

i went to "merch" and clicked "my account"

[telee.kom]

Does anybody know when will they star shipping this shirt (http://store.nin.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=116)?

[blassster]

Does anybody know when will they star shipping this shirt (http://store.nin.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=116)?

I received mine a few weeks ago, and ordered when preorders were first up. They even sent me an extra by accident, a week after I got the first.

[Yoshata]

I can do iPhone pics but thats about it

That's fine with me; I'm sure I could still read it, if it's legible. :) I'd really appreciate it, if you're still willing.

[butter_hole]

That's fine with me; I'm sure I could still read it, if it's legible. :) I'd really appreciate it, if you're still willing.
gimme about... 9 hours

[Yoshata]

^^
Ohh, wait! Someone in NIN Spotting already covered it. RITCNIN.

Sorry about that. I'm sucking today. :o Thanks so much, though.

[AgentofChaos]

Looking for that collection of nin.com live soundboard rips from '09... about 20 in total featured Last, Just Like You Imagined... if anyone knows if it's still out there somewhere a link would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Actually also if there a link to those mofoboy rehearsal tracks from with teeth too that would be sweet as well.

[jmtd]

Have you tried the download thread? First post therein?

[Leviathant]

Looking for that collection of nin.com live soundboard rips from '09... about 20 in total featured Last, Just Like You Imagined... if anyone knows if it's still out there somewhere a link would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Actually also if there a link to those mofoboy rehearsal tracks from with teeth too that would be sweet as well.

Visit http://www.reflectinginthechrome.com

[tony.parente]

You're about to blow Agents mind Levi haha

[AgentofChaos]

Thanks gents. Forgive my lazyness.

Was well aware of the awesomeness that is ritc but didn't see the 09 web rips on there. Actually didnt even think of the 05 rehearsals until I came here to post my request and just kind of piled on. Totally forgot that old tour thread got imported. Really great of you guys to keep those links fresh after all this time. Much appreciated.

[EndlessLoveless]

I havent checked in on the Year Zero ARG in a long time. Was there ever a connection made to the labels on exhibit 24? I was blown away when I saw I was on the ETS side and it had me as deceased. I didnt know if anyone ever made a connection to why you were either labeled deceased, missing, active or whatever they were?

[Sesquipedalism]

I havent checked in on the Year Zero ARG in a long time. Was there ever a connection made to the labels on exhibit 24? I was blown away when I saw I was on the ETS side and it had me as deceased. I didnt know if anyone ever made a connection to why you were either labeled deceased, missing, active or whatever they were?

I think it had something to do with whether or not one was a contributor of something that moved the game along? I'm not sure how they would've tracked that, but I recall that being the consensus at the time.

I was a "soft-target," and I was the one who realized the connection between the embedded fragments of text "Slaughterhouse-Five" and "Leaves of Grass" or "Slaughterhouse" and "The Hobbit"—whatever two came first—and got all crazy in that thread.

Or maybe it was all just dumb luck. I'm sticking with because "I made a contribution" because it makes me feel fuzzy inside.

EDIT: I checked in on NINwiki and that theory is far enough from official to not even be motioned. I just recall some soft-target folks being amped enough to want to put together a deck of playing cards made out of the list (there were 52 on the ETS list).

[InvitingmeAway]

I have no idea if this fits here but...oh well. Well I was on my ipod and on the podcast app. There is a nin remix podcast that is on there and everything is free (BTW you can get Right Where It Belongsv2 on there). And a few weeks ago there was an awesome remix of Deep, I believe this remix was titled Deep (Into You). Imo it is a lot better than the original version, sadly, the remix is no longer there. If anyone knows if there is another place to get the remix, please let me know.

[martin_b]

Well, I have a question, which I wanted to ask since I listened the "Counting Bodies Like Sheep to the Rhythm" of A Perfect Circle for the first time:

Who is singing this "ow, ow, ow, ow" phrase in this song? (available at 0:42, 2:49) Isn't that Trent's voice? It sounds like something similar to Trent's vocals from The Fragile...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D_q2tS4WHA

[Khrz]

When it came out, I was so fucking convinced it was a NIN remix, and flabbergasted to read in the liner notes that no, it wasn't. As far as I know, Reznor never touched that track. Now who knows if Keenan didn't try to facetiously (because maynard is facetious) emulate what a nin remix of Pet" would sound like... But he's more than capable to sound like that by himself, in my opinion.

[piggy]

I have no idea if this fits here but...oh well. Well I was on my ipod and on the podcast app. There is a nin remix podcast that is on there and everything is free (BTW you can get Right Where It Belongsv2 on there). And a few weeks ago there was an awesome remix of Deep, I believe this remix was titled Deep (Into You). Imo it is a lot better than the original version, sadly, the remix is no longer there. If anyone knows if there is another place to get the remix, please let me know.
http://remix.nin.com/play/mix?id=27359

[martin_b]

When it came out, I was so fucking convinced it was a NIN remix, and flabbergasted to read in the liner notes that no, it wasn't. As far as I know, Reznor never touched that track. Now who knows if Keenan didn't try to facetiously (because maynard is facetious) emulate what a nin remix of Pet" would sound like... But he's more than capable to sound like that by himself, in my opinion.

Thank you!

[Ryan]

Can anyone help me locate the soundboard versions of The Fragile and Hurt from the Bridge School Benefit show?

I know they're 99 cents on iTunes, but it won't let me buy them from the Australia store I'm locked into. PM, etc, please.

edit: Got The Fragile, just need Hurt.

edit: Thanks guys, all good now.

[dlb]

I'm a horrible fan obviously but I haven't watched any of the bonus stuff from the two movies, but:

Is TR's studio that we so often get to see a glimpse of located within his home or is that thing a separate building somewhere in LA?

[piggy]

^^^
His studio is in his home.

[WorzelG]

^^^
His studio is in his home.

I thought that I'd read in a post Social Network interview that he'd got a new studio elsewhere for reasons of space?? Can't remember where though

[Demogorgon]

Thank you!
also, i believe Danny Lohner was the one who remixed that track, and considering Lohner's connection to NIN, it makes a lot of sense that the track would end up sounding this way. as for the vocal part you're referring to, i really don't know, but i believe all the vocals on that particular track were done by Maynard; i could be wrong though. Billy had started doing quite a few vocal parts when eMOTIVE came out.

[sheepdean]

I thought that I'd read in a post Social Network interview that he'd got a new studio elsewhere for reasons of space?? Can't remember where though
I think that was Atticus

[Shadaloo]

..did the Blu-Ray of BYIT ever come in a slipcase or anything, or was it always just the ugly-ass normal blue case? Now that I have a halfway decent player I'd like to pick it up.

[MrSlfDstruct]

Just the normal case. The DVD was a digipack I believe. There was a Blu-ray sampler that came in a cd sized sleeve.

[chicken-royal]

Doesn't look like it (http://www.nincatalog.com/index.asp?halo=22), but could be wrong. It's still well worth getting though.

[WorzelG]

Trent just posted a pic of him and John Paul Jones on facebook. I'm a big Zeppelin fan and I seem to recall somewhere reading that JPJ was mad for NIN and used to get a new lp and listen all day with headphones when it was released - but I can't for the life of me remember where I read this, anyone read this before or am I misremembering things

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q77/1175639_4687188277704_1913778742_n.jpg

[Shadaloo]

Oh, the DVD I've owned for ages. I just wanted it to look even prettier on my TV. Thanks guys.

[butter_hole]

So what was the deal with Metal when it originally leaked? Was it from 1997 or so, in an unfinished state, then finished up in 2000 for TFA?

Is this the version that was around?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FX1IocXe4M

[fuckit]

trying to fit burn somewhere within the downward spiral, because it's too awesome to not be in there somewhere. suggestions as to where to put it?

[Kyle]

When and where did he make that public? And do we have a "why" he'd share that with everyone? TR doing that seems not in keeping with the very private man we've come to "know" over the years. I didn't look for it, but I didn't hear his first kid's name 'til 2011 maybe. Hell, again, I wasn't looking, but I didn't learn his other kid's name 'til the interview last week.It's common (in my experience with them at least) for addicts to be very public about their recovery so they can be held accountable. Accountability is a big part of the recovery process. Keep in mind that I've never been through rehab but I know a few people who have an that's been my experience. And regarding the original question - Still consists of reworked versions of old songs, a Fragile outtake, and some unused film score work so even if the album was recorded post sobriety, I'd still consider With Teeth his first post sobriety work since it's the first album that reflects his changed life.

[reseen_lamenti]

trying to fit burn somewhere within the downward spiral, because it's too awesome to not be in there somewhere. suggestions as to where to put it?

After Heresy. Only place it seems right.