Random NIN Questions

[FULLMETAL]

A full length version of this should have been included with the DEFINITIVE version of TF. Maybe we'll get it whenever the DEFINITIVE version of AATCHB/STILL comes out.

[Thor]

It's been a while since I have been here, so sorry if this has been asked... But does anyone knows why remix.nin.com was shut down? I miss that place, some great remixes from the fans 😢

[WorzelG]

It's been a while since I have been here, so sorry if this has been asked... But does anyone knows why remix.nin.com was shut down? I miss that place, some great remixes from the fans 
If I remember rightly it was because the record company were worried someone might upload copyrighted material (other than NIN?) and they’d be liable

[TheBang]

If I remember rightly it was because the record company were worried someone might upload copyrighted material (other than NIN?) and they’d be liable
No, that's not right. What happened was in Dec. 2016, they did a relaunch of the entire nin.com platform, coinciding with the release of NTAE and the definitive editions. The previous nin.com platform had been built-up since the Year Zero days and the technology was growing stale. The only major update had been moving the main webpage to a tumblr blog during the Hesitation Marks days. Major portions of nin.com had basically been on autopilot and were decaying, including remix.nin.com and the forums. With the modernization of the platform, they also changed web hosts, and everything from before was basically unceremoniously dumped, including remix.nin.com.

[WorzelG]

No, that's not right. What happened was in Dec. 2016, they did a relaunch of the entire nin.com platform, coinciding with the release of NTAE and the definitive editions. The previous nin.com platform had been built-up since the Year Zero days and the technology was growing stale. The only major update had been moving the main webpage to a tumblr blog during the Hesitation Marks days. Major portions of nin.com had basically been on autopilot and were decaying, including remix.nin.com and the forums. With the modernization of the platform, they also changed web hosts, and everything from before was basically unceremoniously dumped, including remix.nin.com.
wow I thought it had shut down years before that

[Thor]

No, that's not right. What happened was in Dec. 2016, they did a relaunch of the entire nin.com platform, coinciding with the release of NTAE and the definitive editions. The previous nin.com platform had been built-up since the Year Zero days and the technology was growing stale. The only major update had been moving the main webpage to a tumblr blog during the Hesitation Marks days. Major portions of nin.com had basically been on autopilot and were decaying, including remix.nin.com and the forums. With the modernization of the platform, they also changed web hosts, and everything from before was basically unceremoniously dumped, including remix.nin.com.

That's so sad Alexa play despacito

Damn, I really miss the whole nin.com from those years. I remember that it was very 'fan friendly', with our personalized profiles and the access to remix.nin. I have also been searching to redownload some tracks but the websites are dead so it’s definelty bc of the relaunch. Kinda feels like the burning of some part of NIN history. :/

[piggy]

All the MP3s from remix.nin.com are on archive.org if anyone is still looking to download stuff...
https://archive.org/details/remix-nin-com-collection

[MrLobster]

All the MP3s from remix.nin.com are on archive.org if anyone is still looking to download stuff...
https://archive.org/details/remix-nin-com-collection

I recently grabbed the ones I did from there.

[Helpmeiaminhell (is now in hell)]

has a full length version of this song ever been leaked anywhere?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev6_XmtaTVc

[Wulgaren]

i dont think theres more to it if it was commissioned for the ad

[Wulgaren]

https://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=334614

is this real lol

[The Reason Being]

Any word on if we’re getting Ghosts V & VI vinyl release??

Why is Quake the only Nine Inch Nails album without a Halo no?

In This Isn’t The Place, why is Trent saying Carrow me home? The sleeve lyrics read “Carry me home” but even in live versions he is singing “Carrow? / Carro? Carol??? me home”

that is all

[BRoswell]

Any word on if we’re getting Ghosts V & VI vinyl release??

That probably depends on whether or not any of the tracks contain material from the discarded score for The Woman In The Window. If they do, then Disney (who now owns 20th Century Fox) would most likely have to sign off on it. Might not be out of the question now that Trent & Atticus have worked for them and brought home some Oscar gold for one of their films.


Why is Quake the only Nine Inch Nails album without a Halo no?

It was never released on its own until last year, and since it's a game score, it has a Null number.


In This Isn’t The Place, why is Trent saying Carrow me home? The sleeve lyrics read “Carry me home” but even in live versions he is singing “Carrow? / Carro? Carol??? me home”

I...think you're hearing things with this one.

[The Reason Being]

I...think you're hearing things with this one.

Hmm, maybe. If you listen here @ 17:55 though he is definitely saying “oh” rather than “ee” at the end of “carry” https://youtu.be/wg2v5vjz_H8

Care oh me home, maybe? Although that doesn’t make much sense. Maybe Trent just pronounces this particular word in a strange way. Just something I’ve wondered for a while but never asked, figuring it was some Bowie reference or something.

[BRoswell]

I think he's just playing with the word for effect. It could also be a reference to the nonsensical lyrics in "Subterraneans". Bowie pronounces "Caroline" in a similar way.

[piggy]

I wondered about that odd pronunciation myself...

[allegate]

you're asking what the "awitha teetha" guy is saying?

[ekrekel]

you're asking what the "awitha teetha" guy is saying?

I usually roll with "a-wetha-teeth-uh"

[sweeterthan]

he’s obviously saying “carrie” like my name[emoji12]

i think he’s saying carry or carry on.

[sheepdean]

I know Down In It was at least partially recorded in London, does anyone know if any other PHM track were done in London, and which studios were used for which?

[TheBang]

I know Down In It was at least partially recorded in London, does anyone know if any other PHM track were done in London, and which studios were used for which?
This article (https://www.theninhotline.com/archives/articles/manager/display_article.php?id=614) gives some idea of the production process for PHM, and you can corroborate and correlate it with the detailed production credits (https://www.discogs.com/Nine-Inch-Nails-Pretty-Hate-Machine/release/75544). Down In It was finished first, with some pre-production mixing done by Keith LeBlanc and then the production done by sending the tapes to Adrian Sherwood in London. After that, in early 1989, Trent spent a month in London with John Fryer at Blackwing Studios. They worked on a lot of the songs, but at the end of it, Trent wasn't happy (and didn't get along well with Fryer). So Trent had LeBlanc do another production pass on a lot of the tracks in New York after returning to the states. Flood worked with Trent in Boston on Head Like a Hole and Terrible Lie. I'm not sure when exactly that slots into the timeline, whether before London or after. And I believe in the end, after all the producers were done, Trent and Chris Vrenna worked together to edit and sequence the album including the transitions and segues to make it cohesive.

[Erneuert]

I think he's just playing with the word for effect. It could also be a reference to the nonsensical lyrics in "Subterraneans". Bowie pronounces "Caroline" in a similar way.

That makes the most sense to me as well.

Carr-uh me home. (With-uh your teeth-uh).

[wizfan]

Tip-of-my-tongue question: I remember an interview/article with Trent about the Year Zero ARG that had a, well, ARG of its own: some paragraphs were missing and you had to fill them in yourself (I think using highlighted letters from the rest of the article). If you succeeded, you would unlock more information from Trent. Anyone has that link? And does the "game" still work?

[_incoma_]

So this is a hella random question. Also, it's been a while so, hello again! To everyone who purchased the March of the Pigs single before The Downward Spiral, was it weird to hear remixes of Reptile before actually being able to listen to the album version? This question never really dawned on me cause I bought the single after downward spiral but it's bugging me this morning. The only thing I can imagine liken it to, is when I had seen Closure before actually owning any albums. That being just being kind of immersed in this weird collection of soundscapes that made sense with all the random tour clips and segues between videos but being clueless of their origins. Anyway, that's that. Also, A Violet Fluid still rules. :p

[allegate]

interesting thought. There was a clip on some awards show where they were talking about the year in music and they played some clips from Woodstock '94 and there was one clip that caught my imagination fierce. Like, those 1.5 seconds were played over and over in my head because of the iconography and music combo. Imagine my surprise months later when I finally got Broken - TDS was when the band was 'big' enough to be known of in my neck of the woods - and I hear him yell "Slave screams!" and it immediately took me back to those 1.5 seconds because it turns out that was NIN at Woodstock.

It was the middle of track practice and I ran over to my friends and told them because I was so excited.

[fillow]

^^
I had AATCHB on CD for a long time before I finally heard studio versions of pre-Fragile material. That was quite a shock, especially for PHM material.

[seasonsinthesky]

So this is a hella random question. Also, it's been a while so, hello again! To everyone who purchased the March of the Pigs single before The Downward Spiral, was it weird to hear remixes of Reptile before actually being able to listen to the album version? This question never really dawned on me cause I bought the single after downward spiral but it's bugging me this morning. The only thing I can imagine liken it to, is when I had seen Closure before actually owning any albums. That being just being kind of immersed in this weird collection of soundscapes that made sense with all the random tour clips and segues between videos but being clueless of their origins. Anyway, that's that. Also, A Violet Fluid still rules. :p

The bigger question I have for these folks is: what the hell did you think of Big Man With A Gun?!

[eachpassingphase]

The bigger question I have for these folks is: what the hell did you think of Big Man With A Gun?!

Honestly, at the time it sounded funny to me. When Trent explained in interviews that it served as a sort of satire on gangsta rap, that made sense but it still sounded silly.

In the years since though, culture has shifted and now that song sounds kind of disturbing to me. The lyrics now read like an incel’s online manifesto before he shoots up a yoga studio or sorority.


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[Magnetic]

The bigger question I have for these folks is: what the hell did you think of Big Man With A Gun?!

When I heard it, I immediately took it as satire - portraying a man who is insecure and overcompensating. "I'm every inch a man, and I'll show you somehow." It was a weird messed up window into a man's mind when he's obsessed with how weak and insignificant he feels.

By the time TDS was out, I already had Under the Pink, and I knew Trent sang on that album. So it was a weird flip - considering Tori's Me and and Gun off Little Earthquakes, so I thought there was no way BMWAG was something to be taken literally.

[TheBang]

So this is a hella random question. Also, it's been a while so, hello again! To everyone who purchased the March of the Pigs single before The Downward Spiral, was it weird to hear remixes of Reptile before actually being able to listen to the album version? This question never really dawned on me cause I bought the single after downward spiral but it's bugging me this morning. The only thing I can imagine liken it to, is when I had seen Closure before actually owning any albums. That being just being kind of immersed in this weird collection of soundscapes that made sense with all the random tour clips and segues between videos but being clueless of their origins. Anyway, that's that. Also, A Violet Fluid still rules. :p
Here, you can read some contemporaneous reactions:

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.music.nin/c/scj-rkhxwlo/m/P7CotpWVQoQJ
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.music.nin/c/_ButgXXpkvs/m/SiH2J5t4iGUJ
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.music.nin/c/l07hOaeA0yw/m/ZYIRvIGwW9QJ
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.music.nin/c/UzN-0hqbPpw/m/QoIyUFH9d-AJ

[botley]

Here, you can read some contemporaneous reactions:

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.music.nin/c/scj-rkhxwlo/m/P7CotpWVQoQJ
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.music.nin/c/_ButgXXpkvs/m/SiH2J5t4iGUJ
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.music.nin/c/l07hOaeA0yw/m/ZYIRvIGwW9QJ
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.music.nin/c/UzN-0hqbPpw/m/QoIyUFH9d-AJ
Glad to hear that the hard-to-please-motherfuckery has always been with us.

[_incoma_]

Here, you can read some contemporaneous reactions:

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.music.nin/c/scj-rkhxwlo/m/P7CotpWVQoQJ
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.music.nin/c/_ButgXXpkvs/m/SiH2J5t4iGUJ
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.music.nin/c/l07hOaeA0yw/m/ZYIRvIGwW9QJ
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.music.nin/c/UzN-0hqbPpw/m/QoIyUFH9d-AJ

Whoa, the fuck man, that's crazy! See that's why I always loved this place. Crazy jazz that should be lost to time somehow seems to materialize. Anyway, to the Big Man With a Gun discussion, I always felt a little weird about it. I dug the heaviness but it really kind of always felt too tongue in cheek to overshadow anything else on the record. That being said, when the album itself is a damn masterpiece, even the poorer bit must be good to some degree. Never once did I feel the need to skip, so it does it's job. I remember feeling super pumped about Startfucker Inc. when I first heard it on the TDTWWA single. That's definitely akin to that I guess. TDTWWA (Quiet) stole the show though. I remember showing that to friends of mine that hated NIN and even they were converted, even if it were for just a few songs similar in vein.

[Max]

When I heard it, I immediately took it as satire - portraying a man who is insecure and overcompensating. "I'm every inch a man, and I'll show you somehow." It was a weird messed up window into a man's mind when he's obsessed with how weak and insignificant he feels.

By the time TDS was out, I already had Under the Pink, and I knew Trent sang on that album. So it was a weird flip - considering Tori's Me and and Gun off Little Earthquakes, so I thought there was no way BMWAG was something to be taken literally.

Man, that is a song I could do without.

[zeegrizzle]

Looking for remixes that's basically just Trent's vocals on top of Ghosts tracks. Is there a set of these that exists somewhere?

[BRoswell]

Looking for remixes that's basically just Trent's vocals on top of Ghosts tracks. Is there a set of these that exists somewhere?

There's one I know of...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eICUTG7Oyik

[antediluvian]

Was looking at PHM on Amazon and this artwork showed up for the cd version. I’ve never seen this artwork in my life. What the heck…?
https://imgur.com/a/IdHEu4W

[allegate]

while looking up PHM longbox art this popped up:

The Pretty Hate Machine Flannel (https://www.jc-rt.com/products/the-pretty-hate-machine-plaid-long-sleeve-shirt?variant=30593216020551&currency=USD&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=12647611879&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpKH7z6zZ8QIV6SitBh06awTJEAQYAyAB EgJ8hfD_BwE) - $125

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1169/9020/products/JCRT_10.16_Flats6559.jpg?v=1571413681

[TheBang]

Was looking at PHM on Amazon and this artwork showed up for the cd version. I’ve never seen this artwork in my life. What the heck…?
https://imgur.com/a/IdHEu4W
That’s the 2nd panel of the foldout artwork.

[ZeroisGreg]

Anybody heard of this channel ixi? She's an excellent NIN song analyzer and pianist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjJjVnwg_Ww&list=RDzQ9QN-Yt_sg&index=2

[Sequenteon]

A long, long time ago I downloaded a collection of the ambient tracks used for the And All That Could Have Been DVD menus. The hard drive those files were stored on was destroyed, sadly. Does anyone know where I could re-download those tracks? I've googled and searched YouTube but I've come up with nothing.

[Tom]

A long, long time ago I downloaded a collection of the ambient tracks used for the And All That Could Have Been DVD menus. The hard drive those files were stored on was destroyed, sadly. Does anyone know where I could re-download those tracks? I've googled and searched YouTube but I've come up with nothing.
I extracted them myself a long time ago, will PM a link.

[muad'nin]

Anybody have details on “Renzor”‘s involvement with the Crunch-O-Matic LP? That one has always fascinated me.

[muad'nin]

Anybody have details on “Renzor”‘s involvement with the Crunch-O-Matic LP? That one has always fascinated me.

Well, there we have it. The band featured Eric Zimmerman, director of a couple of early NIN videos (DII and HLAH). TR is credited on the Crunch-O-Matic album with “additional data courtesy of”. Maybe he just handed his old mate some samples or something…

[Jon]

I extracted them myself a long time ago, will PM a link.

How many did you end up with? I haven't found something other than PGC Demux that works properly on everything (ripping from the .IFO file, not the .VOB). Here's Disc 1, some of them are copies, others are .subp files; there appears to be 22 "unique" audio tracks out of the 35 listed in the indices for both .IFO files. And no, these aren't accidentally the concert performance; the longest one is 1:59.29:

https://i.imgur.com/cWEkRkA.png

[Tom]

How many did you end up with? I haven't found something other than PGC Demux that works properly on everything (ripping from the .IFO file, not the .VOB). Here's Disc 1, some of them are copies, others are .subp files; there appears to be 22 "unique" audio tracks out of the 35 listed in the indices for both .IFO files. And no, these aren't accidentally the concert performance; the longest one is 1:59.29:

Yes also used PGC Demux. I think I got 29 from disc 1, though I haven't confirmed that these are all unique tracks - numerous tracks have the same duration but many seem to be subtly different versions of the same piece. I'd be happy to send you a link to the archive if you'd like to take a look.

[Jon]

Yes also used PGC Demux. I think I got 29 from disc 1, though I haven't confirmed that these are all unique tracks - numerous tracks have the same duration but many seem to be subtly different versions of the same piece. I'd be happy to send you a link to the archive if you'd like to take a look.

Sure. I put mine up on MEGA, so I'll send you a link of the one I did; I got 30 from Disc 1 and 30 from Disc 2. The subtleties seem to lie across discs, based sheerly on slight filesize differences, but it wouldn't surprise me if each occurrence was slightly different (layering/mixing).

[paul_guyet]

So...I can't remember if this was an official release or not, but there was a 2-disc collection of all (at the time) Charlie Clouser's remixes called The Clouser Files. I have five tracks from it for some strange reason. Anyone have a lead on this?

[ZeroisGreg]

Sure. I put mine up on MEGA, so I'll send you a link of the one I did; I got 30 from Disc 1 and 30 from Disc 2. The subtleties seem to lie across discs, based sheerly on slight filesize differences, but it wouldn't surprise me if each occurrence was slightly different (layering/mixing).


count me in as well if you would please.

[Wulgaren]

me too!!

[JamieMoon]

Sure. I put mine up on MEGA, so I'll send you a link of the one I did; I got 30 from Disc 1 and 30 from Disc 2. The subtleties seem to lie across discs, based sheerly on slight filesize differences, but it wouldn't surprise me if each occurrence was slightly different (layering/mixing).

I'd like a link too, if it isn't too much trouble.

[simonn]

Is the A Minute To Breathe video available in 4k anywhere? Getting an OLED telly today and that's one of my favourite videos, but nothing on YouTube.

[BRoswell]

Is the A Minute To Breathe video available in 4k anywhere? Getting an OLED telly today and that's one of my favourite videos, but nothing on YouTube.

I think that was uploaded before YouTube started supporting 4K video.

[TheBang]

I think that was uploaded before YouTube started supporting 4K video.
No, YouTube added 4K support in 2010 (https://techpatio.com/2010/tech-news/youtube-4k-video-support-flash). I think it's more likely that A Minute to Breathe was only produced in HD.

[howdidislipinto]

random NIN question!

https://www.nin.wiki/Not_The_Actual_Events

the ntae wiki lists "Alternate digital artwork #5 - Embedded in corrected early 2017 digital files" -- what were these corrected files? i definitely have that first download art on my files, not the revised one. i don't remember hearing about any issues at the time, but of course, i could've easily missed it.

[Wulgaren]

random NIN question!

https://www.nin.wiki/Not_The_Actual_Events

the ntae wiki lists "Alternate digital artwork #5 - Embedded in corrected early 2017 digital files" -- what were these corrected files? i definitely have that first download art on my files, not the revised one. i don't remember hearing about any issues at the time, but of course, i could've easily missed it.

i'm not 100% sure if i'm remembering it right but there were some broken tags (i think missing lyrics)

[butter_hole]

Any idea what song this corresponds to? Maybe a FYC version of a soundtrack song?

https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/906216700

[fillow]

Hey guys, not sure what's the right thread for this, so let it be this one for now.

I've got a little request.

As you maybe know, I'm working on multicam edits of Palladium 2018 shows. Most of these shows have IEM-quality audio recording available on NIN Live Archive, and I intend to use those.
For the show #1 (Dec 7th) IEM audio has a clicktrack that was not removed. As @ninlive (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1141) explained in the comments for the recording, it's a very tedious task which requires manual removal of thousands of clicks throughout the show, and I totally understand.

However! I've listened to this recording a couple of times recently and honestly it's not that bad. The click is not distracting for most of the songs as they are usually loud enough to bury it deep in the mix. The only songs where it's really annoying are the quiet ones at the end: Home, AATCHB and Hurt.

So my request is this: if anyone can try and clean just these three songs for me, I'd really appreciate it. It would improve the final cut tremendously.

https://ninlive.com/shows/2018/20181207.html

[ninlive]

Even with removing them you'll run in to two problems 1) it removes the most important part, the music and 2) they are so embedded in the track that it's impossible to even remove. So best is to just keep it in. Hence why I did it for night 1.

[botley]

Hey guys, not sure what's the right thread for this, so let it be this one for now.

I've got a little request.

As you maybe know, I'm working on multicam edits of Palladium 2018 shows. Most of these shows have IEM-quality audio recording available on NIN Live Archive, and I intend to use those.
For the show #1 (Dec 7th) IEM audio has a clicktrack that was not removed. As @ninlive (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1141) explained in the comments for the recording, it's a very tedious task which requires manual removal of thousands of clicks throughout the show, and I totally understand.

However! I've listened to this recording a couple of times recently and honestly it's not that bad. The click is not distracting for most of the songs as they are usually loud enough to bury it deep in the mix. The only songs where it's really annoying are the quiet ones at the end: Home, AATCHB and Hurt.

So my request is this: if anyone can try and clean just these three songs for me, I'd really appreciate it. It would improve the final cut tremendously.

https://ninlive.com/shows/2018/20181207.html
I have another audio editing project due at the end of this week, but I could take a look next weekend and see what's possible.

[TheBang]

Any idea what song this corresponds to? Maybe a FYC version of a soundtrack song?

https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/906216700
Probably from "Waves". There's an abortion clinic featured in the movie.

[cahernandez]

Can anyone hook me up with the mp3 or AAC files for the audiophile version of Hesitation Marks? I have them, but somehow they got corrupted (when a song finishes, the last 15 seconds of the song replay. It also happened to an official Pearl Jam bootleg I had, really weird). I bought the Deluxe version of HM back in the day. Mods: if this is not an OK request feel free to delete this, not trying to break any rules here.

[trollmanen]

I can't seem to find this on the NINcatalog or NINwiki site, but I'm wondering how many different Giclée prints for the Ghosts Ultra Deluxe there are. All came with the print of the front cover image, but the other one was one of a random set, maybe 5 or 6 different images. It would be cool to catalog all those somewhere.

[ekrekel]

I can't seem to find this on the NINcatalog or NINwiki site, but I'm wondering how many different Giclée prints for the Ghosts Ultra Deluxe there are. All came with the print of the front cover image, but the other one was one of a random set, maybe 5 or 6 different images. It would be cool to catalog all those somewhere.

Everyone got the desert sand ridge. Here are the ones I recall or could quickly find for the 2nd. I wanted the shoreline or bubbly waves but got parking lot lamp

https://img.discogs.com/bV3beze40VPHOWPAqL_FjKuU79o=/fit-in/600x354/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():qualit y(90)/discogs-images/R-1330604-1210226239.jpeg.jpg https://img.discogs.com/qfH1XB-m8db96f2WftOEjsxNjwE=/fit-in/600x354/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():qualit y(90)/discogs-images/R-1330604-1210226699.jpeg.jpg https://img.discogs.com/olzu8tCtm6pEuJi4xaFg6x-BHjg=/fit-in/600x354/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():qualit y(90)/discogs-images/R-1330604-1210226525.jpeg.jpg https://img.discogs.com/5Nl11M8azkHIlr_lgeiX6WFTmTM=/fit-in/600x354/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():qualit y(90)/discogs-images/R-1330604-1210226416.jpeg.jpg https://img.discogs.com/LqJtPEHc6Jjky-GgC5cV9o8CEeI=/fit-in/600x354/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():qualit y(90)/discogs-images/R-1330604-1210226245.jpeg.jpg https://img.discogs.com/hrMUy83OaCA5mzfS3PkgwAyoxdI=/fit-in/600x354/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():qualit y(90)/discogs-images/R-1330604-1210226574.jpeg.jpg
https://img.discogs.com/YtGeHnlfBJ8xmecaZuk04ybYeVM=/fit-in/600x354/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():qualit y(90)/discogs-images/R-1330604-1210226254.jpeg.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GyzdZ3K.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/sxpHx8K.jpg

[Tom]

Everyone got the desert sand ridge. Here are the ones I recall or could quickly find for the 2nd. I wanted the shoreline or bubbly waves but got parking lot lamp

There's another one which wasn't an image associated with any specific track, but is a version of the image that's split across the centre pages of the booklet (so, not in the pdf either). This is what that looks like:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GPgAAOSwew1g2Meo/s-l300.jpg

But the giclée is in colour - those shrubs are yellow, I think.

[ehesha]

I found a pic of the With Teeth/Year Zero era band (minus Josh Freese) with Meg White. I wonder if it was taken the same day as this pic you're looking for. It looks like they're backstage somewhere. (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/278589926927764100/)
I haven't been on here for the better part of a year. I've never seen this before! But the one I was looking for is (I'm fairly certain), Trent on the left and Jack on the right, both looking to their left. The picture showed their torsos up, I believe

[Erneuert]

I can't seem to find this on the NINcatalog or NINwiki site, but I'm wondering how many different Giclée prints for the Ghosts Ultra Deluxe there are. All came with the print of the front cover image, but the other one was one of a random set, maybe 5 or 6 different images. It would be cool to catalog all those somewhere.

I was cataloging them back in 2008 at www.nin-au.com but even checking www.archive.org, nothing is coming up/loading for me. Unless someone else can do some better detective work?

[trollmanen]

Everyone got the desert sand ridge. Here are the ones I recall or could quickly find for the 2nd. I wanted the shoreline or bubbly waves but got parking lot lamp

Nice. I got the bottom right one.


There's another one which wasn't an image associated with any specific track, but is a version of the image that's split across the centre pages of the booklet (so, not in the pdf either).

I seem to remember this one, would love to see a picture of the actual print.

[thelastdisciple]

Everyone got the desert sand ridge. Here are the ones I recall or could quickly find for the 2nd. I wanted the shoreline or bubbly waves but got parking lot lamp

I didn't feel like digging mine out but i remembered taking photos and showcasing it on youtube. So i took a screenshot of the one that i got with my ultra deluxe.

https://i.postimg.cc/JnqQbcg6/image.png

[ekrekel]

...... i took a screenshot of the one that i got with my ultra deluxe.


Thanks I added it to the list above Tom I couldn't find yours does any of the pictures on the discogs listing (https://www.discogs.com/release/1330604-Nine-Inch-Nails-Ghosts-I-IV) ring a bell?

[Tom]

Found it! I really like this one.

https://i.imgur.com/GyzdZ3K.jpg

[otnavuskire]

Dug mine out as I couldn't remember what mine was.

https://i.imgur.com/sxpHx8K.jpg

[trollmanen]

Dug mine out as I couldn't remember what mine was.

Now this image isn't found anywhere else in the Ghosts artwork, to my knowledge. Really cool!

[Tom]

Dug mine out as I couldn't remember what mine was.

Wow! This one is stunning. I was pretty satisfied with my bubbly ocean one til I saw this!

[ekrekel]

Found it! I really like this one.

https://i.imgur.com/GyzdZ3K.jpg

Man, that's my new favorite.

As Tom suggested to kick off this topic, does someone better versed in wiki want to capture the images from my previous post?

[nmitchell86]

Would it be a good idea to also capture the serial numbers to see if there are any patterns to image in the Giclée print?

[nmitchell86]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nJI_x2FfJSiSE6AKEZsmoUXJIPCmEjo57prluLO3bJoZ8frNCL IC4P2NTQmFt8N1AkE43b-K5qCxGyxXakhF4VSGpsBz3Ho7VMlUw8oa7hBIjltf2qSNCYkqQ ZnJPrBviSyPDzuWiu1jCd3FS6yTV7mkUOqUjr7Pm8xachQGvw1 sOkJ3S9-BeQiQF3Iw62m04zh-Qot_y1rp4frx8Bhbf-srSh10KZXoTY5IJTHL-1DTTfnk8KPhlx0IwemySlnFZJcMr8mEC5WYY5mjyes9TW3GUaY nRq12K59ZE1trUYjRago5rcEVsR_K9_viAakcLDJmgtGWnisj3 Pnt9IAQOvodDMDVT_TEAqGaRiPkKObTRh6yr9NLsrORkEB_Tr1 Bzok2EBLnD4OA2wljmhICgFTZV0r0oD-pMGn3F6m1Ufd39wzYu-sWdcgpmJlHqfKdjrMjmr52_TYHivCfBXWJjgoGT-Rt5L_Qx_a7r54GTKszXbJPsE-Se-eMt1moEWIzQV0fZ3yPzsyNUgO_YUdllY4fOEJnQ3kZ7_R2jfN1 nbCUsKSjmqAzNdS_dLBelIiA_xnxP4QzEtBm1E7DO09dVQlca4 iPzSLg6yEgPX-kJqq5GeANDk27xq4fxrzlda3gDXZG5XIrk-2ChFSDCj7PCW76Bp5ygAECEOj-YkPnqE4w6TOzVp1KcHN8NTPArbm-tnpPK_P8nrLiaYoIfzPKfA=w1377-h775-no?authuser=0



I checked mine this evening, I got the bubbly waves. sn 571/2500.https://mega.nz/file/pagSVQZT#JyR_4NGlPKmO4zD-Ew9Of6iJlsOW9l0QhJxJR6b8YMM

[Xvostya]

Hmmm, what Trent says in the I'm Afraid of Americans video @ 3:49 which is now so clearly seen with this 4k release?..

[scorpiusdiamond]

Truly the most random of questions, but had these thoughts recently...

Is there a reason most, if not the vast majority of sets start with a song where Trent isn't playing guitar?

And why when Ilan joined the band did the stage set up switch from drums being on stage left (Josh/Jerome) to stage right? And stay that way?

[ekrekel]

Truly the most random of questions, but had these thoughts recently...

Is there a reason most, if not the vast majority of sets start with a song where Trent isn't playing guitar?

And why when Ilan joined the band did the stage set up switch from drums being on stage left (Josh/Jerome) to stage right? And stay that way?

Food for thought, how many albums start with more than 1 guitar?

For the positioning of the drums. I'll throw out there the flexible use of some of the different members. JMJ and Jeorie (I think) played double duty at times getting some time on other instruments, since that role is now Illan's moving the drums makes it easier to give him room for the 37 instruments he's able to use on any given night.

[fillow]

Is there a reason most, if not the vast majority of sets start with a song where Trent isn't playing guitar?

And why when Ilan joined the band did the stage set up switch from drums being on stage left (Josh/Jerome) to stage right? And stay that way?

1) Definitely not the vast majority (if majority at all), at least since Fragility tour.

1st songs of the set with TR on guitar:
- Somewhat Damaged (Fragility era only),
- HLAH (Big Day Out/Fragility Euro festivals/a few occasional gigs later on like Voodoo 05 and one of final Wave Goodbye's)
- Wish (pretty often since WT era)
- Love Is not Enough (2005-2007)
- Copy of A (TR played guitar on 2013 Festivals and 2014 North American tour) - this song actually had like 6 or 7 different live configurations since its debut
- Terrible Lie (Wave Goodbye/CABAI) - but only if you don't count Now I'm Nothing as a full song (no TR guitar on that)

2) No idea really. Someone should ask him next time he's doing AMA on instagram or something. Worth mentioning that he relocated briefly to the right side again for 2014 tour, when Ally moved to front row left. Probably has to do with stage/lights/gear logistics. IIRC he plays in the middle right behind the singer with AVA

[fillow]

If any of ya'll saw Now I'm Nothing/Terrible Lie on the last tour... What the hell is the real smoke color supposed to be at the beginning?

This image below is 10 different sources I've got for this song from the Palladium#3 show (already synchronized so each snapshot is the same exact moment) and I need to know how to color correct them properly.

https://i.imgur.com/gfe1mGI.png

[Erneuert]

If any of ya'll saw Now I'm Nothing/Terrible Lie on the last tour... What the hell is the real smoke color supposed to be at the beginning?

This image below is 10 different sources I've got for this song from the Palladium#3 show (already synchronized so each snapshot is the same exact moment) and I need to know how to color correct them properly.

https://i.imgur.com/gfe1mGI.png

Rainbow, lol.

[FULLMETAL]

My guess would be the lower left corner is the most accurate for the smoke. They were going hard into the black & white aesthetic for performance clips, so I don't think they intended to light the smoke a specific color.

[Papagolash]

Can someone post that photo please explaining what Trent's "Soon" means timeline wise?

[fillow]

Can someone post that photo please explaining what Trent's "Soon" means timeline wise?

https://pp.userapi.com/c623729/v623729021/1de1a/FkLdBD6PJlA.jpg

[Papagolash]

https://pp.userapi.com/c623729/v623729021/1de1a/FkLdBD6PJlA.jpg

My hero, thank you!

[Erneuert]

Asked in the Happy Birthday to The Fragile thread but will also ask here:

Is the Bob Ezrin essay online anywhere to read?


And while we’re at it, the With Teeth essay from the definitive edition of that? Been wanting to read them for a long time.

[Detunez]

A decent amount of NIN artwork is up on the official NIN flickr account. Well at least i hope it's official... The high quality versions can be saved by clicking on the download button and selecting "original size" from the popup list.

One of the account's albums containing very high quality Album artwork:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nineinchnails/albums/72157630137235910

The homepage for the account:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nineinchnails/

[fillow]

Does anyone have any footage from NIN 2006 summer tour lying around? Any song, any show.
If you got some, I'd like to use it in uh... project. If you know what I mean. PM me.

[All_The_Spoils]

Because getting old sucks. lol I for the life of me, can't remember the nature of these interview tracks, and I've been asking around for a while for someone that can remind me where and what they came from. I believe they was a lot like the year Zero Exclusive Video Interview. That came out when you bought directly from Best buy. In This case.... There are 4 files... Labeled "Best Buy Interview 1" "Best Buy Interview 2" "Best Buy Interview 3" "Best Buy Interview 4" They aren't very long and the "The Hand that feeds" plays in the background of all four. The first one covers Trent talking about Cash's Cover of Hurt. The second, is about Trent's relationship with Bowie. The third and fourth is about his childhood and becoming famous from nowhere. Perhaps you can help me remember where these originated from... It's been driving me crazy for a while. Was there a Exclusive interview release for With Teeth through Best Buy?

[fillow]

This has been bugging me for years. Is there supposed to be an 'I' in the middle of this stage setup at Lollapalloza? Was it blown away by the wind or something?

https://ninlive.com/pictures/1991/1991-08-20-1.jpg

[ninlive]

This has been bugging me for years. Is there supposed to be an 'I' in the middle of this stage setup at Lollapalloza? Was it blown away by the wind or something?


Ask FULLMETAL this was his tape. Unreal he captured this way back when. I believe there was an "I" but I was 3 at the time.

[FULLMETAL]

This collection (https://fineartamerica.com/profiles/david-ilzhoefer?tab=artworkgalleries&artworkgalleryid=941367) of photographs is from Raleigh, NC two shows before Orlando and doesn't appear to have the "I." Looking at the snippet of footage from Arizona, it doesn't look like they had banners but the footage is tight on the stage performance.

I'm guessing this video is from the Lollapalooza documentary that was shelved. I don't know which shows were recorded for the doc, but it doesn't look like there's an "I" banner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQI4leraag4&t=38s

This may end up being an unsolved mystery since there's so little photo/video that has wider stage shots.

[ninlive]

This collection (https://fineartamerica.com/profiles/david-ilzhoefer?tab=artworkgalleries&artworkgalleryid=941367) of photographs is from Raleigh, NC two shows before Orlando and doesn't appear to have the "I." Looking at the snippet of footage from Arizona, it doesn't look like they had banners but the footage is tight on the stage performance.

I'm guessing this video is from the Lollapalooza documentary that was shelved. I don't know which shows were recorded for the doc, but it doesn't look like there's an "I" banner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQI4leraag4&t=38s

This may end up being an unsolved mystery since there's so little photo/video that has wider stage shots.

I think the Phoenix footage from MTV would have the definitive answer, as it was the 2nd show of the tour if this is the case. I am not to sure myself. As I was not around for these shows.

[mfte]

To anyone who has the PHM remaster vinyl.

Are the extra lyrics to Something I Can Never have included in this release?

The ones about sweat, and perry ellis...

[MrLobster]

can confirm...

Still picking at this scab . i wish you were dead
your sweat and perry ellis . just stains on my sheets

[fillow]

This collection (https://fineartamerica.com/profiles/david-ilzhoefer?tab=artworkgalleries&artworkgalleryid=941367) of photographs is from Raleigh, NC two shows before Orlando and doesn't appear to have the "I." Looking at the snippet of footage from Arizona, it doesn't look like they had banners but the footage is tight on the stage performance.

I'm guessing this video is from the Lollapalooza documentary that was shelved. I don't know which shows were recorded for the doc, but it doesn't look like there's an "I" banner

This may end up being an unsolved mystery since there's so little photo/video that has wider stage shots.
From all this we can safely assume that the real band that played at Lollapalooza was Nine Nails. Got it.

[elevenism]

From all this we can safely assume that the real band that played at Lollapalooza was Nine Nails. Got it. NOT SO FAST: the footage isn't that clear. It could be impersonators.

[Erneuert]

Is this photo taken from the definitive edition of The Fragile a larger version of part 1 (or part 2, depending on how you label them) of the WITT single set?

https://i.ibb.co/VHmZmP1/90-D9-B5-AD-0-AD1-416-A-B45-D-DC53-FAD9-F67-D.jpg (https://ibb.co/rbsSs1j)
image upload (https://imgbb.com/)

[fillow]

Is this photo taken from the definitive edition of The Fragile a larger version of part 1 (or part 2, depending on how you label them) of the WITT single set?

https://i.ibb.co/VHmZmP1/90-D9-B5-AD-0-AD1-416-A-B45-D-DC53-FAD9-F67-D.jpg (https://ibb.co/rbsSs1j)
image upload (https://imgbb.com/)

Similar photo from the same series, I think. Can't say if it's the same one?
See this: https://www.flickr.com/photos/10729782@N03/albums/72157624007552825 (carson_05)
This photo and WITT cover cropped differently but I think it's a match

[hologram parade]

could possibly be this one. a still I grabbed from the fragile promo video
https://64.media.tumblr.com/8106636c156e295551968919c455196a/15cc098d65ae95ad-c3/s1280x1920/88375c8e828ed3895132091eb5f0d197a888c067.jpg

[Erneuert]

Cool! What about part three, aka the brown turd coloured thing. Does that one have any other similar images like the above?

[piggy]

Cool! What about part three, aka the brown turd coloured thing. Does that one have any other similar images like the above?
This page from the Deviations PDF shows more of it in the lower left corner:
https://ia902908.us.archive.org/23/items/mbid-378d5376-5509-4bec-ac66-72e5d2caffd2/mbid-378d5376-5509-4bec-ac66-72e5d2caffd2-15673805857.jpg

Then there's the other half of that image on this page:
https://ia802908.us.archive.org/23/items/mbid-378d5376-5509-4bec-ac66-72e5d2caffd2/mbid-378d5376-5509-4bec-ac66-72e5d2caffd2-15673792861.jpg

[Erneuert]

This page from the Deviations PDF shows more of it in the lower left corner:
https://ia902908.us.archive.org/23/items/mbid-378d5376-5509-4bec-ac66-72e5d2caffd2/mbid-378d5376-5509-4bec-ac66-72e5d2caffd2-15673805857.jpg

Then there's the other half of that image on this page:
https://ia902908.us.archive.org/23/items/mbid-378d5376-5509-4bec-ac66-72e5d2caffd2/mbid-378d5376-5509-4bec-ac66-72e5d2caffd2-15673805857.jpg

I think those last two links are the same?

Still cool though! Maybe we should add the larger versions of the single covers to the Halo 15 page?

[piggy]

I think those last two links are the same?

Still cool though! Maybe we should add the larger versions of the single covers to the Halo 15 page?
Damn. I didn't notice that I had the same link twice. I went back and fixed it in the original post.
Yeah, I've been thinking of trying to add more uncropped source images to the wiki. I'll probably be working on it this week.

[SchwarzerAbt]

Is this photo taken from the definitive edition of The Fragile a larger version of part 1 (or part 2, depending on how you label them) of the WITT single set?

https://i.ibb.co/VHmZmP1/90-D9-B5-AD-0-AD1-416-A-B45-D-DC53-FAD9-F67-D.jpg (https://ibb.co/rbsSs1j)
image upload (https://imgbb.com/)

I don't know, but it's a German train! Maybe this one or similar: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:101_043-8_in_N%C3%BCrnberg.jpg

[That other guy]

With tour dates being announced, think we will get new music sooner or later?

[botley]

With tour dates being announced, think we will get new music sooner or later?

Soon 2022: Sooner-er

In seriousness, I think the timing is right to debut a new song at the first show, and a studio version on streaming sites the same night. Maybe another EP later this year, but I won't hold my breath for a full album.

[sweeterthan]

for love of all that is holy i hope he releases new nin music with vocals. please?

[piggy]

Yeah, some nasty new NIN would really hit the spot for me right now...

[SM Rollinger]

Not sure how to ask this question, but maybe you guys will figure out what I'm getting at. A post over on reddit a few weeks ago got me thinking about this...

Self Destruct tour. Yahama DX7 getting trashed during Happiness in Slavery. What was TROZ actually playing before the destruction commenced? Was it said DX7? And if so, was it a factory patch/preset? (Sorry I'm not familiar with FM synthesis so IDK if I'm using the right terminology). Or was the Yamaha being used as a midi controller for something off stage? (Once again, not sure if that's possible, I'm a Moog/Roland guy). I have listened to just about every AUD from this tour and it's different noodling every time before the beat down.

Thanks.

[botley]

Not sure how to ask this question, but maybe you guys will figure out what I'm getting at. A post over on reddit a few weeks ago got me thinking about this...

Self Destruct tour. Yahama DX7 getting trashed during Happiness in Slavery. What was TROZ actually playing before the destruction commenced? Was it said DX7? And if so, was it a factory patch/preset? (Sorry I'm not familiar with FM synthesis so IDK if I'm using the right terminology). Or was the Yamaha being used as a midi controller for something off stage? (Once again, not sure if that's possible, I'm a Moog/Roland guy). I have listened to just about every AUD from this tour and it's different noodling every time before the beat down.

Thanks.
Yep, the ubiquitous DX7s were merely MIDI controllers for Sequential Circuits Prophet VS synths safely stowed offstage.

[SM Rollinger]

Yep, the ubiquitous DX7s were merely MIDI controllers for Sequential Circuits Prophet VS synths safely stowed offstage.

Awesome, thank you!!

[thefragile_jake]

Do you think Trent would ever put out an official vinyl release for Record Store Day? With the 20th anniversary of Still this year, that would be where I would put money on if he would ever entertain the idea of it ... could be a RSD First kind of release—limited pressing with more available down the line.

Probably not. But it would be fun for the remix albums to be RSD related ... Further Down the Spiral, Things Falling Apart ... heck even Closer to God.

[laci]

Hey guys, long time no see. I remember someone here showed his MOTP CD single which has no art on the disc. He/she even uploaded a YT video to show that the CD contains the songs. Does anyone remember this story?

Yesterday I bought a Queen CD which has the same issue. Haven't found anything on Discogs or elsewhere. Thanks! And good to be back.

[ekrekel]

Do you think Trent would ever put out an official vinyl release for Record Store Day? With the 20th anniversary of Still this year, that would be where I would put money on if he would ever entertain the idea of it ... could be a RSD First kind of release—limited pressing with more available down the line.

Probably not. But it would be fun for the remix albums to be RSD related ... Further Down the Spiral, Things Falling Apart ... heck even Closer to God.

I've lost interest in RSD. If we think nin.com orders are rife with flippers, RSD line-sitters take the cake. At least fans online had about an hour to get NINxHealth 7" with a decent amount of warning for the casual fan. A 5,000 series run of anything NIN (maybe even NIN-related) is gone after the first 10 people through the door at your favorite record shop. I don't see RSD as a benefit for the fans anymore, great the indie stores get folks in the door but at this point most of those sales go to flippers.

[fillow]

OK, I gotta know what's going on here in between Reptile and No You Don't (at 32:08).
First there is some techno sample accidentally played that sounds like a variation of Claustrophobia Machine, or maybe just a part of No You Don't backing tape that's usually buried deep under three guitars.
Then they do some guitar feedback jam that sounds suspiciously similar to intro of 10 Miles High (LP version).

What do you all think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybMmLrbeQ3o

[Wulgaren]

no idea but its awesome! i guess its a rare nin jam

[Erneuert]

Speaking of Claustrophobia Machine (Raw), has it been determined if the “(Raw)” part is part of the song title? Or is it denoting something about the version of the song that was used for Deviations? That’s always confused me.

[TheBang]

First there is some techno sample accidentally played that sounds like a variation of Claustrophobia Machine, or maybe just a part of No You Don't backing tape that's usually buried deep under three guitars.
I think you're right. It sounds like part of the No, You Don't backing track. And then the guitar/piano jam might just be vamping until they fix the problem and are ready to play the song. It does sound passingly similar to 10 Miles High, but I think that's just coincidental.

[piggy]

Imagine how interesting it would be if NIN would legitimately jam/improvise a lot during shows... We've only gotten glimpses of that with songs like "Happiness In Slavery" and stuff.

[sick among the pure]

Imagine how interesting it would be if NIN would legitimately jam/improvise a lot during shows... We've only gotten glimpses of that with songs like "Happiness In Slavery" and stuff.
I always enjoyed Trent's bit of noodling he sometimes does on keys

[butter_hole]

Imagine how interesting it would be if NIN would legitimately jam/improvise a lot during shows... We've only gotten glimpses of that with songs like "Happiness In Slavery" and stuff.
Well there was always that time they unintentionally jammed on Reptile with Alex Carapetis

[mfte]

Well there was always that time they unintentionally jammed on Reptile with Alex Carapetis


What happened?

[fillow]

What happened?
The band played all their instruments a few bars ahead of the backing track with all the synths and percussion. Supposedly due to Alex's fuckup, who did the count off too early. It starts more or less okay but gets worse with every verse. They somehow fixed it by the final chorus repeat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qZMhDIEJF0

[mfte]

The band played all their instruments a few bars ahead of the backing track with all the synths and percussion. Supposedly due to Alex's fuckup, who did the count off too early. It starts more or less okay but gets worse with every verse. They somehow fixed it by the final chorus repeat.



Wow! Thanks for sharing.
I wish there was a video of this.
A slow steady zoom on TR's face as he grows more irritated and angry.

[klyrish]

I was at this show on the left side of the bowl, in seats that were far too close to the stage for what I preferred and I remember looking around the entire song trying to figure out what the fuck was going on. It was so bad live, especially because the Allstate Arena is/was a boomy, echoy mess to begin with. I was already pissed because I fucking LOVED Jerome and was so excited to see him again (saw him 5/6/05 in Chicago where there was another fuck up with Trent's mic for the openers, "The Frail" and "The Wretched" but that's another story) and then that chump came out and barely did a passable job. I was focused on how shitty his drumming was the entire show and did not have a good time.

Upon listening to the bootleg of it years later, Alex actually did a great job, "Reptile" fuck up aside. This is still my least-favorite NIN show aside from Tinley Park 2006 (Chicago again, weird...) because that "amphitheater" should've been condemned. It was/is one of the worst-sounding venues I've ever attended.

[uroboros]

I am not sure how i missed this one. 5 instrumentals off of Hesitation Marks on a promo disc called “taxi driver”. I am assuming these have not surfaced (besides “everything”). any word on these?


https://www.discogs.com/release/20508487-Taxi-Driver-Untitled

[TheBang]

What a weird disc. Would be nice to get a rip of that.

[allegate]

Mike Knobloch's got some 'splaining to do.

[Erneuert]

I am not sure how i missed this one. 5 instrumentals off of Hesitation Marks on a promo disc called “taxi driver”. I am assuming these have not surfaced (besides “everything”). any word on these?


https://www.discogs.com/release/20508487-Taxi-Driver-Untitled

Wow. I wonder where we can find that? piggy - NINwiki it?

[uroboros]

Wow. I wonder where we can find that? @piggy (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=568) - NINwiki it?


i would start witha the contributors to the discogs entry. Go get ‘em! … with diplomacy.

[WorzelG]

In the recent meme posted by NIN of Trent at a show saying they were there to have a bad time, who was the party band he was referring to?

[fillow]

I'm 99% sure Trent didn't mean anything about the actual previous band. You can see by his face he's laughing at what he's saying

[TheBang]

In the recent meme posted by NIN of Trent at a show saying they were there to have a bad time, who was the party band he was referring to?
De Jeugd van Tegenwoordig (https://www.lowlove.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2013-vr.jpg). But the band before them, Biffy Clyro, mistakenly thought Trent was referring to them. They stewed and plotted their revenge, finding the perfect opportunity 9 days later at Reading Festival. With NIN going on before Biffy Clyro this time instead of after, Trent suddenly found the tables turned. As the headliner slot, Biffy Clyro convinced the festival organizers not to allow NIN to use any of their production. In a fit of rage, Trent told the BBC that they could no longer broadcast NIN's performance, and could only film close-ups for the festival monitors, but even this was thwarted when someone intercepted the satellite feed and posted it online anyway. Biffy Clyro ain't nuthing to f' wit.

[WorzelG]

De Jeugd van Tegenwoordig (https://www.lowlove.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2013-vr.jpg). But the band before them, Biffy Clyro, mistakenly thought Trent was referring to them. They stewed and plotted their revenge, finding the perfect opportunity 9 days later at Reading Festival. With NIN going on before Biffy Clyro this time instead of after, Trent suddenly found the tables turned. As the headliner slot, Biffy Clyro convinced the festival organizers not to allow NIN to use any of their production. In a fit of rage, Trent told the BBC that they could no longer broadcast NIN's performance, and could only film close-ups for the festival monitors, but even this was thwarted when someone intercepted the satellite feed and posted it online anyway. Biffy Clyro ain't nuthing to f' wit.
Oh wow Biffy were on before the other band, ha ha.

[fillow]

The band played all their instruments a few bars ahead of the backing track with all the synths and percussion. Supposedly due to Alex's fuckup, who did the count off too early. It starts more or less okay but gets worse with every verse. They somehow fixed it by the final chorus repeat.

<Reptile vid>



Here's another live fuckup remix while we're at it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nin/comments/tcs722/completely_messed_up_version_of_eraser_live_in/

[elevenism]

Here's another live fuckup remix while we're at it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nin/comments/tcs722/completely_messed_up_version_of_eraser_live_in/

Yeah NIN as Jamband ain't the hottest idea in the world.

Let's leave that to Pearl Jam and Black Crowes and such.

Oh, and Fish. Isn't there one called Fish, or something about a fish?

[botley]

Yeah NIN as Jamband ain't the hottest idea in the world.

Let's leave that to Pearl Jam and Black Crowes and such.

Oh, and Fish. Isn't there one called Fish, or something about a fish?
I think you're referring to Brother Fish Bone and the Blowfish maybe. Not sure tbh

[muad'nin]

I think you're referring to Brother Fish Bone and the Blowfish maybe. Not sure tbh

Phish?

[botley]

Phish?

AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

https://c.tenor.com/OOinGLt21zwAAAAd/pee-wee-silly.gif

[EvilGobi]

Anybody have mp3s of the Broken DE? I recently purchased it in a store recently and the download card is long expired. Ive tried emailing the NIN store as well as DMing them on here with no luck. I totally have proof of purchase.

[Jon]

Does anyone here have this (https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Fan-Blu-ray/217297/) 2022 BD/DVD release for The Fan (1996)? I'm mainly interested if there is, in fact, an uncompressed LPCM 2.0 track?

I have a suspicion it's the previously available DTS-HD MA 2.0 track.

[All_The_Spoils]

I was wondering if anyone has a little information I cant seem to find anywhere. Does anyone have the track names for the three HTDA remix contest winners, or the two winners of the THTF and Only remix contest. 5 tracks all together. I'm looking for them, but don't even have their names in order to search for them. XD Thanks for any info you can provide!

[Erneuert]

I recently purchased it in a store recently

But was it recently?

Sorry, had to. :P

[EvilGobi]

But was it recently?

Sorry, had to. :P

Yeah, it definitely was recently, how could you tell? :p

I’m guessing I posted that pre-coffee.

[seasonsinthesky]

Did anyone rip the assets from the official NIN phone case maker website circa 2007? A lot of cool PNGs were in there...

[sweeterthan]

Did anyone rip the assets from the official NIN phone case maker website circa 2007? A lot of cool PNGs were in there...

hmmm i could try to look thru my back up files. i actually got to work at the company for a year and a half as a contractor. it was really fun. i think i had a good 20 nin cases for my phone. it might take me a bit but i’ll pm you if i find anything.

[WorzelG]

Just tried to listen to the Underneath It All podcast and can't get it to play anywhere, tried Apple and other places - has this been discontinued?

[Kyle]

Here's another live fuckup remix while we're at it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nin/comments/tcs722/completely_messed_up_version_of_eraser_live_in/

i kind of unironically love that

[piggy]

Just tried to listen to the Underneath It All podcast and can't get it to play anywhere, tried Apple and other places - has this been discontinued?
Most of the episodes are on archive.org:
https://archive.org/details/podcast_underneath-it-all-a-nine-inch_721681606

[fillow]

Is the venue where NIN were supposed to play Cleveland 2021 shows (Jacobs Pavilion) perhaps the same one as they already played in 1994? Listed back then as Nautica Stage at the Cleveland Flats?

https://ninlive.com/shows/1994/19940830.html
(https://ninlive.com/shows/1994/19940830.html)
I never connected the dots until I actually listened to the recording, and there is a banter where TR thanks the Lord for 'not raining on them today too' (and it's the second show of the two they did there), which means it was an outdoor show

[Erneuert]

Is the venue where NIN were supposed to play Cleveland 2021 shows (Jacobs Pavilion) perhaps the same one as they already played in 1994? Listed back then as Nautica Stage at the Cleveland Flats?

https://ninlive.com/shows/1994/19940830.html
(https://ninlive.com/shows/1994/19940830.html)
I never connected the dots until I actually listened to the recording, and there is a banter where TR thanks the Lord for 'not raining on them today too' (and it's the second show of the two they did there), which means it was an outdoor show

What a set list arrangement! Hurt mid way through the set and closing with Dead Souls into I Do Not Want This, with Ruiner thrown in a few songs back for good measure!

[Jon]

Is the venue where NIN were supposed to play Cleveland 2021 shows (Jacobs Pavilion) perhaps the same one as they already played in 1994? Listed back then as Nautica Stage at the Cleveland Flats?

https://ninlive.com/shows/1994/19940830.html
(https://ninlive.com/shows/1994/19940830.html)
I never connected the dots until I actually listened to the recording, and there is a banter where TR thanks the Lord for 'not raining on them today too' (and it's the second show of the two they did there), which means it was an outdoor show

Yes, Nautica Stage and Jacobs Pavilion are the same venue. I am unsure what changes have occured in 23 years (I saw Slipknot there in 1999), but it is a part of the Nautica Entertainment Complex:

https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/erry-2018/05/ac09b92f957309/25_unforgettable_shows_at_jaco.html

[fishtifer]

About a year ago someone online made a video for Less Than that was recent clips of US news footage, I cant find the video anywhere - does anyone remember this and know where to find it?

[fillow]

Is the static noise sample between Pinion and Mr Self Destruct (1994/95 shows) the same one as the one between The Great Destroyer and Burning Bright (2017/18)?

[LOVEANDZOMBIES]

About a year ago someone online made a video for Less Than that was recent clips of US news footage, I cant find the video anywhere - does anyone remember this and know where to find it?

It was made my MeidasTouch. It's on their channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfhyd9iM9zg

[LOVEANDZOMBIES]

Is there a speculation thread for new music? I'm not seeing one - but with dates being added everyday it really seems like just a matter of time before new music in some form is announced.

[Papagolash]

Is the static noise sample between Pinion and Mr Self Destruct (1994/95 shows) the same one as the one between The Great Destroyer and Burning Bright (2017/18)?

Holy shit you may be on to something. They sound almost identical to me. Someone who knows what they're doing, can you clip and compare the 2 samples and see if they're identical? If they are great fucking catch.

[laci]

Hey guys, long time no see. I remember someone here showed his MOTP CD single which has no art on the disc. He/she even uploaded a YT video to show that the CD contains the songs. Does anyone remember this story?

Yesterday I bought a Queen CD which has the same issue. Haven't found anything on Discogs or elsewhere. Thanks! And good to be back.

Anyone? :)

[klyrish]

What do you guys say when you refer to "999,999"? Do you actually say "Nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine" or something else? Saying that is so obnoxious. I just call it "Nines."

[Papagolash]

What do you guys say when you refer to "999,999"? Do you actually say "Nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine" or something else? Saying that is so obnoxious. I just call it "Nines."

I just sat "nine" nine times

[mfte]

This is paradoxical question since this is the first time that this track has ever been brought up in conversation any time, by anyone, across any medium.

[cdm]

Do you actually say "Nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine" or something else?

"The intro to 1,000,000" is what I would say.

[klyrish]

This is paradoxical question since this is the first time that this track has ever been brought up in conversation any time, by anyone, across any medium.Umad

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[Erneuert]

I just sat "nine" nine times

What are the three extra 9s for?

I’ve never said it out loud, but I’d probably opt for “a million minus one”.

[Papagolash]

What are the three extra 9s for?

I’ve never said it out loud, but I’d probably opt for “a million minus one”.

Beats the hell out of me, I meant to say six times. Maybe my dyslexia? I even had a typo too, man what an awful post by me. I was very stoned at the time so I'm sure that had something to do with it too.

[elevenism]

This is paradoxical question since this is the first time that this track has ever been brought up in conversation any time, by anyone, across any medium.

I actually DO really dig that track/intro thing, and DO bring it up, oddly enough.
@klyrish (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1311) this is funny, because i DO actually say nine hundred ninety nine thousand nine hundred ninety nine, but now that i think about it, i say it sort of quickly and in an exasperated manner.

[thelastdisciple]

What do you guys say when you refer to "999,999"? Do you actually say "Nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine" or something else? Saying that is so obnoxious. I just call it "Nines."


https://youtu.be/1qrLIqfSZ14

[Erneuert]

Beats the hell out of me, I meant to say six times. Maybe my dyslexia? I even had a typo too, man what an awful post by me. I was very stoned at the time so I'm sure that had something to do with it too.

lmao

I was thinking of that Simpsons episode where Homer adds all those B’s in BBBQ. “What’s that B for?” “That’s a typo.”

[klyrish]

lmao

I was thinking of that Simpsons episode where Homer adds all those B’s in BBBQ. “What’s that B for?” “That’s a typo.”Homer's BBBQ... What's the extra B for?

BYOBB.

What's THAT extra B for?

That's a typo.

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[TheBang]

Do you actually say "Nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine"
I do actually say this.

[otnavuskire]

Here's a weird one. Why on earth is Trent credited on this song?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIHrpawMEcw

[buckaroo]

Here's a weird one. Why on earth is Trent credited on this song?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIHrpawMEcw

Just sounds like they sampled the final 4 notes from Right Where It Belongs.

[otnavuskire]

Just sounds like they sampled the final 4 notes from Right Where It Belongs.

Good catch. I think you're right.

[Patrick_Nicholas]

I've been meaning to ask this for almost five years, since the 2017 tour:

What, exactly, is the instrument that Atticus plays on tour? It seems to be some sort of sequencer or sampler and not an EDM DJ set. I'm pretty sure it's some kind of synth but not quite a keyboard synth. This is one of the only closeups of it I could find.

https://i.imgur.com/EyfxuXE.png
https://imgur.com/EyfxuXE
https://imgur.com/EyfxuXE

[Jon]

I've been meaning to ask this for almost five years, since the 2017 tour:

What, exactly, is the instrument that Atticus plays on tour? It seems to be some sort of sequencer or sampler and not an EDM DJ set. I'm pretty sure it's some kind of synth but not quite a keyboard synth. This is one of the only closeups of it I could find.https://imgur.com/EyfxuXE

That shot kinda swoops into his setup there, so you get a little bit better view of the stuff. I can make out:

Korg Kaoss Pad (dunno which one)
Native Instruments Maschine MKII (it was between this one or the plus)
Livid CNTRL:R
An iPad Pro? (sure I'm just not seeing this correctly)

[joanstrother95@gmail.com]

I have a question about a Trent Reznor track of unknown origin and title. It is dialog between a man and a woman that sounds at first like sex talk between the devil and a woman and then like sex talk between a female angel and a man. It may be a collaboration with another artist and it could be an outro or intro or hidden track. It was playing somewhere once and the only information I have is that it was Trent Reznor. Thanks for your help! If I have posted in the wrong place please let me know!

[sweeterthan]

I have a question about a Trent Reznor track of unknown origin and title. It is dialog between a man and a woman that sounds at first like sex talk between the devil and a woman and then like sex talk between a female angel and a man. It may be a collaboration with another artist and it could be an outro or intro or hidden track. It was playing somewhere once and the only information I have is that it was Trent Reznor. Thanks for your help! If I have posted in the wrong place please let me know!

maybe it’s the queen cover ? get down make love https://youtu.be/soC_vV9uSbM

[Papagolash]

Holy shit I think this is the 1st time that I have ever seen Trent sing the chorus to Gave Up, I never knew he ever did that live. Should have it queued up correctly. Have there been any other times he has done this?
https://youtu.be/vLQaffqSnpw?t=1943

[fillow]

Is anyone else hearing Peter Murphy voice saying "Nine Inch Nails debut" here after the song ends?
This is from Houston 3/20/1990 show. Not the first NIN/Peter Murphy gig, but an early one (4th to be exact, according to currently known schedule)

http://sndup.net/k88x

[Erneuert]

Holy shit I think this is the 1st time that I have ever seen Trent sing the chorus to Gave Up, I never knew he ever did that live. Should have it queued up correctly. Have there been any other times he has done this?
https://youtu.be/vLQaffqSnpw?t=1943

Also cool to note that he sings a bit of The New Flesh at the beginning. Only time he’s done that according to setlist.fm.

lol at the fuck you in your asshole part of No, You Don’t.

[TheBang]

Does anyone have the original 5-track download sampler for The Social Network, and the 6-track download sampler for The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo? I would appreciate these, thanks.

Edit: obtained, thanks!

[Lastentrance]

I wondered if anyone knew why the likes of Complication, The Mark Has Been Made, Just Like You Imagined (save a few times) are no longer played live? Curious if there is a published reason outside of Reznor just not wanting to.

[botley]

I wondered if anyone knew why the likes of Complication, The Mark Has Been Made, Just Like You Imagined (save a few times) are no longer played live? Curious if there is a published reason outside of Reznor just not wanting to.

I haven't heard of any specific reason. Would be great to hear "The Mark Has Been Made" with the current lineup (maybe Ilan can get his 'cello back out for the first part?)...

Also, I am DESIROUS to hear "Into the Void" again; the ol' Fragility band did a bang-up job with it, not sure why it was dropped prior to Fragility 2.0 and only came back for select shows in '06–'07 and '13.

https://youtu.be/d1jssLvaxV0

[Erneuert]

I just want “Please” back live.

[strider]

Ok, I don't know if this is the best place to ask this, so sorry if it's not; but what are the easiest NIN songs to learn on bass and guitar? I haven't played in like... fourteen years, and I'd like to learn some NIN songs. I only know Piggy so far... I used to be pretty good on bass, but not so great at guitar.

[scorpiusdiamond]

Ok, I don't know if this is the best place to ask this, so sorry if it's not; but what are the easiest NIN songs to learn on bass and guitar? I haven't played in like... fourteen years, and I'd like to learn some NIN songs. I only know Piggy so far... I used to be pretty good on bass, but not so great at guitar.

March of the Pigs, Terrible Lie and Wish are pretty simple power chord stuff, as is The Hand That Feeds and Survivalism, but can get a bit repetitive.

Just Like You Imagined is fun too when you work out all the parts

[Interquake]

Hi all, I am not sure where on this forum to ask this: I am looking for a photograph that was posted on nin.com back in 2006 from the first With Teeth Summer Tour performance at The Gorge (May 26, 2006). The image is framed symmetrically with the audience to the left and the stage on the right. Trent is at the edge of the stage with his guitar, mid scream. Does anyone know where I can find this? I can't seem to find it on Google.

Maybe there's a photo archive of images from the NIN website I could look through?

Thank you!

[piggy]

Hi all, I am not sure where on this forum to ask this: I am looking for a photograph that was posted on nin.com back in 2006 from the first With Teeth Summer Tour performance at The Gorge (May 26, 2006). The image is framed symmetrically with the audience to the left and the stage on the right. Trent is at the edge of the stage with his guitar, mid scream. Does anyone know where I can find this? I can't seem to find it on Google.

Maybe there's a photo archive of images from the NIN website I could look through?

Thank you!
https://www.nin.wiki/images/f/f6/5_27_06.jpg

[Interquake]

https://www.nin.wiki/images/f/f6/5_27_06.jpg

Good stuff! Thank you for finding this. I wonder if a larger image size exists?

[Erneuert]

Back in 2004/2005 when With Teeth was being mixed, was it ever revealed who that elderly man was who was sitting at the mixing desk wearing spectacles? Was it a relative of Trent’s?

[piggy]

Good stuff! Thank you for finding this. I wonder if a larger image size exists?
You're welcome. I doubt a bigger version exists, unfortunately.


Back in 2004/2005 when With Teeth was being mixed, was it ever revealed who that elderly man was who was sitting at the mixing desk wearing spectacles? Was it a relative of Trent’s?
It's TR's grandpa Bill Clark.

[Erneuert]

You're welcome. I doubt a bigger version exists, unfortunately.


It's TR's grandpa Bill Clark.

haha really! How did we find out who he was?

[fillow]

haha really! How did we find out who he was?
I don't know how at the time (if we did at all), but by googling him you can find a picture of him sitting on a couch with TR+MQ, and also his obituary from 2010, listing quite a lot of family history up to TR's marriage.

[BRoswell]

I don't know how at the time (if we did at all), but by googling him you can find a picture of him sitting on a couch with TR+MQ, and also his obituary from 2010, listing quite a lot of family history up to TR's marriage.

And apparently a pic of them in the audience at The Price Is Right as well! :D

[ghostaustin]

Is NIN's RnR HoF induction video on youtube anywhere? I can find the zoom Q&A, the Iggy and St. Vincent videos, and trent's acceptance speech, but I can't find the video that was made to look like a reel to reel with trent speaking about the band's history. Can anyone help or provide insight?

[camebackhaunted]

https://www.nindestruct.com/

Click Video, then scroll to the bottom

(fuck youtube)

[ghostaustin]

https://www.nindestruct.com/

Click Video, then scroll to the bottom

(fuck youtube)

Thank you!!!

[fillow]

What the hell was so special about Chicago that NIN played 2 gigs there on Fragility tour, and nowhere else that year?

[TheBang]

What the hell was so special about Chicago that NIN played 2 gigs there on Fragility tour, and nowhere else that year?
Reading through the archives on alt.music.nin, it looks like the first set of shows was solicited on March 12 for dates through April 25 (including Chicago on April 21). Chicago at UIC Pavilion was one of the smaller venues on the tour (under 10,000), whereas most other cities' venues were in larger arenas that were 10-20,000. On March 21, they added more dates (May 2-7), but left a hole in the schedule (April 26-May 1). The Chicago show then went on sale on March 25 and sold out in minutes. It looks like they announced the 2nd Chicago show (April 26) on March 28, maybe, and it looks like it went on sale around April 1 and that one also sold out.

[trollmanen]

Was NIN a last minute edition to Lollapalooza 1991? I just saw a vintage tour shirt and they're not listed on the back, but all the other bands are.

[FULLMETAL]

Was NIN a last minute edition to Lollapalooza 1991? I just saw a vintage tour shirt and they're not listed on the back, but all the other bands are.

Orlando, FL was the last Lollapalooza stop for NIN before heading to the UK to open for G&R. Violent Femmes replaced NIN for the remainder of the festival dates.

[trollmanen]

What the hell was so special about Chicago that NIN played 2 gigs there on Fragility tour, and nowhere else that year?

Don't forget, they were supposed to play Uniondale, NY at the Nassau Coliseum on 05/10, the day after NYC MSG, but it was cancelled. This would have been two shows in the NYC area.

[Jon]

The Chicago show then went on sale on March 25 and sold out in minutes.

You're not kidding. Reached the Ticketmaster counter in Bergner's at 10:03 am and ended up with lower bowl (107). Stuck around on a hunch and they were reporting "sold out" by 10:06 am.

[brokenfragility]

so I have a question! I recently super got a friend into NIN and we been watching a bunch of the live shows, started with AATCHB and Beside You In Time, the this one is on us one, some pro shot festival stuff, tension on vevo, cold black and infinite stuff. I'm wondering if theres any really good quality pro audio video of any of the 2009 shows when they were a 4 piece, I've seen NIN like 13 times and that was one of my favorites just as far as how the band sounded. I've poked around but cant really find an actual soundboard audio one on youtube, but I just wondered if anybody here knew of one from that era. Maybe a festival they played during that run I hadnt thought of or something.

[BRoswell]

so I have a question! I recently super got a friend into NIN and we been watching a bunch of the live shows, started with AATCHB and Beside You In Time, the this one is on us one, some pro shot festival stuff, tension on vevo, cold black and infinite stuff. I'm wondering if theres any really good quality pro audio video of any of the 2009 shows when they were a 4 piece, I've seen NIN like 13 times and that was one of my favorites just as far as how the band sounded. I've poked around but cant really find an actual soundboard audio one on youtube, but I just wondered if anybody here knew of one from that era. Maybe a festival they played during that run I hadnt thought of or something.

There's no full shows, at least in terms of video. There's some videos that Rob Sheridan shot from the stage with soundboard audio on the official YouTube and Vimeo channels, plus scattered clips from some festivals.

[trollmanen]

Does anyone remember these shirts? I remember them being for sale on a website like 20 years ago. These are the ones I could find, but I am pretty sure there were a few more. They may have been semi-official, as in not made by NIN, but they were aware and ok with it? I'm just going on memory. Anyway, was hoping someone remembered these, maybe we can find the site they were on via the Wayback Machine?

https://i.ibb.co/G2Y6mhf/Screen-Shot-2022-07-21-at-9-43-41-AM.png (https://ibb.co/YknCgr4)
https://i.ibb.co/hW5b3Hd/Screen-Shot-2022-07-21-at-9-43-48-AM.png (https://ibb.co/J7LVD2p)
https://i.ibb.co/z7T6XXz/Screen-Shot-2022-07-21-at-9-43-33-AM.png (https://ibb.co/vQ6X33S)
https://i.ibb.co/nRw6hhn/Screen-Shot-2022-07-21-at-9-43-23-AM.png (https://ibb.co/N7Ftwwm)
https://i.ibb.co/njJffLP/Screen-Shot-2022-07-21-at-9-43-14-AM.png (https://ibb.co/yqj55Q4)

[Endlessly]

That was dysd.ca! The Fixed shirt was my personal favorite, and is very washed-out by now, although I also have MotP kicking around somewhere. If I remember right, sickamongthepure provided photography for the back prints.

If there were more designs, there weren't many - looks like Capital G may have been the only other one. Wayback Machine partially archived it (https://web.archive.org/web/20090821020356/http://dysd.ca/catalog/index.php?cPath=21), but as is the case with most Wayback archives, it's not going to get you any shirt images. :(

[trollmanen]

That was dysd.ca! The Fixed shirt was my personal favorite, and is very washed-out by now, although I also have MotP kicking around somewhere. If I remember right, sickamongthepure provided photography for the back prints.

If there were more designs, there weren't many - looks like Capital G may have been the only other one. Wayback Machine partially archived it (https://web.archive.org/web/20090821020356/http://dysd.ca/catalog/index.php?cPath=21), but as is the case with most Wayback archives, it's not going to get you any shirt images. :(

I got the images from this site (https://reprotees.com/product-category/t-shirts/music/nine-inch-nails/), which appears to still be selling them. Since the site you linked has the same shirts, I'm guessing that was it. Glad someone else remembered it!

[Disassociative]

With the exception of concerts pre PHM, was Wish the only song Trent debuted live in concert before the studio version was recorded (presumably)?

[All_The_Spoils]

I'm pretty sure 'Not So Pretty Now' And also 'Non Entity' are in that as well... There are a few others as well, I am just drawing a blank at the moment...

[Disassociative]

I'm pretty sure 'Not So Pretty Now' And also 'Non Entity' are in that as well... There are a few others as well, I am just drawing a blank at the moment...

Ooh I forgot about those two

[TheBang]

With the exception of concerts pre PHM, was Wish the only song Trent debuted live in concert before the studio version was recorded (presumably)?
The version of Get Down Make Love that was played regularly starting with the 1989 tour is not quite the final version that got laid down later in Al's studio in Chicago.

[buckaroo]

With the exception of concerts pre PHM, was Wish the only song Trent debuted live in concert before the studio version was recorded (presumably)?

Wasn’t Find My Way debuted live? I can’t remember for sure.

[fillow]

Songs debuted before being recorded: Wish, GDML, Physical (most likely)

Debuted when some studio version existed: Down in it, Sanctified, Ringfinger (Twist), The Only Time, That's What I Get, Maybe Just Once (Purest Feeling versions were already recorded), Suck (Pigface version was most likely already recorded, NIN version not yet)

Debuted before studio release (but already recorded): Burn, The Fragile (MTV performance), YKWYA?, THTF (*), Love Is Not Enough, EDIETS, TLBTB, The Collector, WT, Home, Getting Smaller, BYIT (intro version only), Non-Entity, NSPN, Survivalism, TBOTE, Copy of A (*), CBH (*), Find My Way (*), Disappointed

(*) need to check single/digital release/leak dates to make sure, but def all performed before the album dropped

[TheBang]

Wasn’t Find My Way debuted live?
Yes, but that wasn't the question. The question was, which songs were debuted live before they were recorded in the studio, not before they were released?

[Disassociative]

More of a curiosity question, in your iTunes libraries (or whatever platforms of choice how you listen to music) do you split up And All That Could Have Been and Still with their seperate album covers or keep them together as the deluxe edition with the deluxe edition cover? I've been going back and forth on this for years.

[MrLobster]

More of a curiosity question, in your iTunes libraries (or whatever platforms of choice how you listen to music) do you split up And All That Could Have Been and Still with their seperate album covers or keep them together as the deluxe edition with the deluxe edition cover? I've been going back and forth on this for years.

I do them separate (in iTunes) as "And All That Could Have Been. Live" and "And All That Could Have Been. Still" but use the same art for both (the deluxe cover).

[trollmanen]

More of a curiosity question, in your iTunes libraries (or whatever platforms of choice how you listen to music) do you split up And All That Could Have Been and Still with their seperate album covers or keep them together as the deluxe edition with the deluxe edition cover? I've been going back and forth on this for years.

Separate albums, separate single edition covers.

[botley]

Still standalone album art, Live CD in the garbage where it belongs, DVD audio rip with the DVD cover art.

[trollmanen]

Still standalone album art, Live CD in the garbage where it belongs, DVD audio rip with the DVD cover art.

THIS. I always listen to the DVD version. I still can't listen to the CD version because of the harsh sounding S's. I guess they didn't run it through a de-esser. I remember people complaining about it when it first came out, I got some free promo stuff out of it, but they never fixed the issue.

[botley]

And they pressed the bootleg vinyl from that CD ish. Everyone who bought it: you played yourselves.

[BRoswell]

More of a curiosity question, in your iTunes libraries (or whatever platforms of choice how you listen to music) do you split up And All That Could Have Been and Still with their seperate album covers or keep them together as the deluxe edition with the deluxe edition cover? I've been going back and forth on this for years.

Separate albums and covers. I don't include "And All That Could Have Been" with Still. It's just "Still".

[Disassociative]

THIS. I always listen to the DVD version. I still can't listen to the CD version because of the harsh sounding S's. I guess they didn't run it through a de-esser. I remember people complaining about it when it first came out, I got some free promo stuff out of it, but they never fixed the issue.


i need to get around to that. My biggest issue is splicing in TDTWWA somewhere properly. And Reptile. Just editing it to make it one complete “thing” that fades between tracks properly.

[botley]

i need to get around to that. My biggest issue is splicing in TDTWWA somewhere properly. And Reptile. Just editing it to make it one complete “thing” that fades between tracks properly.
Reptile belongs before "Hey pigs" and TDTWWA before JLYI.

[Disassociative]

Reptile belongs before "Hey pigs" and TDTWWA before JLYI.

Thanks, might take another stab at this when I get home tonight.

[trollmanen]

Are there any tour posters for the summer 2013 festival shows? They made ones for Tension and all the 2014 dates, but I've never seen anything for those summer 2013 festival shows.

[Disassociative]

Reptile belongs before "Hey pigs" and TDTWWA before JLYI.

https://i.imgur.com/I8k0FQX.png

Going to keep both the CD and DVD audio in my library for the time been because I'm a fussy bastard, but thanks for finally motivating me to get around to it!

Messed around with Audacity splicing in the DVD bonus tracks trying to keep it sounding as seamless as possible. Ended up using the CD version of TDTWWA because something sounds off about the DVD version. The guitar part sounds a bit crackly and just sounds like it has a different mix to the rest of the songs but overall I like what I'm hearing with the DVD master. Begone shitty artifacting!
https://imgur.com/a/56S4HDj

[Erneuert]

Speaking of AATCHB, can seed0 please “leak” all of these this Christmas?

https://i.ibb.co/2K9T2H1/6-C99-CDB5-73-DE-426-F-8-F51-AA34-D00-DE3-FC.jpg (https://ibb.co/PCLdp0v)

[botley]

^ I'm just interested in a supercut of every camera angle showing TR flipping the bird in "Starfuckers"...

[trollmanen]

I wish someone would do an HD upconvert of the DVD footage to make it more watchable on modern TV's. I really doubt if fans did it that TR would care, and I'm sure we could keep it under the radar of Interscope/Universal.

[Disassociative]

I wish someone would do an HD upconvert of the DVD footage to make it more watchable on modern TV's. I really doubt if fans did it that TR would care, and I'm sure we could keep it under the radar of Interscope/Universal.

I imagine there's only so much you can do with miniDV recordings, but that upconversion of The Frail/The Wretched Rob Sheriden did is a marked improvement

Nine Inch Nails: "The Frail / The Wretched" live 2000 4K Upscale from "And All That Could Have Been" - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9oq4x980Uw)

[trollmanen]

I imagine there's only so much you can do with miniDV recordings, but that upconversion of The Frail/The Wretched Rob Sheriden did is a marked improvement

Nine Inch Nails: "The Frail / The Wretched" live 2000 4K Upscale from "And All That Could Have Been" - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9oq4x980Uw)

Yeah, it looks far better than the DVD. I meant after this proof of concept, I was hoping that some fans would do the whole thing. Obviously Rob is too high profile to do it, but has proven it can be done and to great effect. Now it's in our hands.

[BRoswell]

At this point, I would just love a nice Blu-ray package. It would still be standard definition footage, but they could include the entire concert on one disc and remaster the audio for Dolby Atmos, plus include all the extras from the DVD. The 4K upscale looks nice, but personally, I don't need it to look HD. I have a 4K TV and player, and I'm pretty satisfied with how the DVD looks. That said, with DVD they were trying to cram as much as they could onto those discs, so if they did a Blu-ray release with better encoding, it could still end up looking better, even if wouldn't look HD.

[blassster]

At this point, I would just love a nice Blu-ray package. It would still be standard definition footage, but they could include the entire concert on one disc and remaster the audio for Dolby Atmos, plus include all the extras from the DVD. The 4K upscale looks nice, but personally, I don't need it to look HD. I have a 4K TV and player, and I'm pretty satisfied with how the DVD looks. That said, with DVD they were trying to cram as much as they could onto those discs, so if they did a Blu-ray release with better encoding, it could still end up looking better, even if wouldn't look HD.

Still vinyl + AATCHB BD deluxe set. Though I don't know how Still would sound in that format. Just a suggestion... for his obsession.

[Reaps]

I found a version of Less than, it's called Less Than (Promo Only Intro Edit) It comes from an album called 'Promo Only: Alternative Club (Dec 2017)'
It's 3:53 in length. Is it official or fan made? Appologies if it's been questioned before. I just randomly came across it.

[TheBang]

I found a version of Less than, it's called Less Than (Promo Only Intro Edit) It comes from an album called 'Promo Only: Alternative Club (Dec 2017)'
It's 3:53 in length. Is it official or fan made? Appologies if it's been questioned before. I just randomly came across it.
"Promo Only (https://promoonly.com/)" is a DJ record pool service. It's a service that gives DJ's subscription access to promo music. This includes DJ edits, alternative remixes, extended intro versions, outro versions, bootlegs, mashups, clean and explicit versions, etc.

Here's some discussion about what Intro Edits are:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Beatmatch/comments/24jk87/what_is_an_intro_edit/
https://news.beatsource.com/2021/02/09/beatsource-launches-first-ever-licensed-dj-edits/
https://djtechtools.com/2014/06/01/making-your-first-dj-intro-edit-in-ableton-live/

I don't know enough about them to know if these are all official from the label or artist, or if some of them are done by the DJ service. I suspect the latter could be the case, especially for this "Promo Only Intro Edit".

[Papagolash]

Can someone link me to the video from I think 06 where Trent gets pissed off during Only, and starts smashing the screen with his mic, breaking it? I can't find it on Youtube.

[BRoswell]

Can someone link me to the video from I think 06 where Trent gets pissed off during Only, and starts smashing the screen with his mic, breaking it? I can't find it on Youtube.

Is it in this compilation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmaI-48jtQU

[imail724]

Does anyone remember what the deluxe edition of ghosts that came with the LPs, CDs, blu-ray, and signed print originally sold for?

[piggy]

Does anyone remember what the deluxe edition of ghosts that came with the LPs, CDs, blu-ray, and signed print originally sold for?
$300

[jshebib]

Does anyone remember what the deluxe edition of ghosts that came with the LPs, CDs, blu-ray, and signed print originally sold for?

here is confirmation of the $300 https://www.nin.wiki/Ghosts_I%E2%80%93IV

[trollmanen]

I've been enjoying Broken a lot lately and was thinking about how it's an EP. However, when adding Physical and Suck, it is 32 minutes, and therefore considered album length. Bad Witch barely clocked in over 30 minutes, and TR made a big fuss about how it was an album and not an EP. I know originally the extra tracks were on the separate disc, but in most every case, those tracks are present in the package one way or another. Just wondering what others thoughts are on this. I'm guessing there was some reasoning behind it back in 92, and maybe it's just easier to stick with that.

[BRoswell]

Physical and Suck were originally supposed to be a single release that came out during the first Lollapalooza tour, but TVT interfered with those plans. Trent felt like those tracks were more accessible than the rest of Broken and didn't quite fit in, which is why they are kept apart. The tracks are technically part of the album, but the album "ends" with Gave Up. Taking that into account, it makes sense why it would be considered an EP since it's just over twenty minutes long without those two tracks.

[Wulgaren]

also trent didn’t do a fuss about bad witch he just said its an lp so it pops up on spotify at the front

[Khrz]

also trent didn’t do a fuss about bad witch he just said its an lp so it pops up on spotify at the front

Yeah that's all there is to it, Reznor was dissatisfied that despite releasing new music, Spotify would put it in the back because it was considered an EP and not a "proper" full album. Which, I believe, made Reznor think "that's complete and utter bullshit". It completely stupid, nowadays, to just silently put an EP in the artist's catalog without putting it up front. It's new music, fans are subscribed to get the news, nobody cares if it's 10 minutes short or 3 hours long.

Especially on streaming platforms, where people notoriously come to get tracks, not albums. Prioritizing LPs makes no sense in that context.

Concerning Broken, I similarly don't care. It's a proper album, self-containing, it didn't need to linger, just a quick and intense kick in the face and done. Perfect.

[imail724]

Wasn't there some post of some kind a while back where someone asked Trent if he had plans to release Still on vinyl and he essentially, buy coyly (as is tradition), said yes?

[REPLICA]

Did anyone archive the 2009 NIN warehouse auctions? I have the chance to get soMe equipment and want to try to find out if it’s genuine.

[Pyract]

Did anyone archive the 2009 NIN warehouse auctions? I have the chance to get soMe equipment and want to try to find out if it’s genuine.

I found this one: http://theslip.apocalyptech.com/ninebay/