The 2024 Election Thread - The Most Important Election of Our Lifetime... Again [Archive]

allegate

09-19-2023, 10:18 PM

Trump Warns ‘Impaired’ Biden May Cause ‘World War II’ (nymag.com) (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/09/trump-warns-impaired-biden-may-cause-world-war-two.html)

“We have a man who is totally corrupt and the worst president in the history of our country, who is cognitively impaired, in no condition to lead, and who is now in charge of dealing with Russia and possible nuclear war,” Trump said. “Just think of it. We would be in World War II very quickly if we’re going to be relying on this man.”:confused:

Kevin McCarthy Motion to Vacate Paper Found in Bathroom (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/kevin-mccarthy-motion-to-vacate-paper-found-in-bathroom/ar-AA1gXS1z)
these people are in charge?

GulDukat

09-24-2023, 01:37 PM

Trump 51% Biden 42% (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=103436611)

What is there to say?

M1ke

09-24-2023, 06:20 PM

Trump 51% Biden 42% (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=103436611)

What is there to say?

Trump being relevant is good for getting eyeballs onto news screens.

I'm starting to wonder if (finally) this may be nothing more than that.

allegate

09-24-2023, 07:01 PM

actually maybe those numbers are good so no one gets complacent like in 2016.

M1ke

09-24-2023, 07:25 PM

Sorry, didn't mean to get anyone riled up there.

I can't vote in a US election, since I'm not an American, but if I was I would most certainly vote for Biden, and show up, and volunteer. Just like I do in my own country, for our progressive candidates.

sweeterthan

09-25-2023, 07:44 AM

polls are stupid

allegate

09-25-2023, 09:56 AM

Edit:

Mary Trump addresses this beautifully:

https://twitter.com/maryltrump/status/1706110401946304959

https://twitter.com/maryltrump/status/1706093197598847155
reposting for those who don't have an account and can't click the links to see them because of the Tuesday in Charge's decisions to restrict access.

something that TheBang might need to know is that x.com links don't resolve in the (TWEET) brackets the same way that twitter.com does.

Wretchedest

09-25-2023, 04:02 PM

reposting for those who don't have an account and can't click the links to see them because of the Tuesday in Charge's decisions to restrict access.

something that TheBang might need to know is that x.com links don't resolve in the (TWEET) brackets the same way that twitter.com does.

I appreciate this because I simply refuse to go to that website, and I'm generally cautious about links in general because they still often end up there

GulDukat

09-25-2023, 04:30 PM

Enough of blaming the media for the second rise of Trump.

If Trump is re-elected next year, it's on the voters.

Wretchedest

09-25-2023, 04:47 PM

Enough of blaming the media for the second rise of Trump.

If Trump is re-elected next year, it's on the voters.

While I do think individuals ought to hold the ultimate responsibility the way the media handles him is extremely frustrating. It's a broader issue that doesn't only apply to trump but other crackpots in general like RFK Jr. Like... we really don't need to hear any more about him, and at this point reporting on him necessarily can only make him more well known and more popular. Neither of these people is entitled to so much coverage

And then they'll say something bigoted or deeply false, especially where this applies to trans people or vaccines and the media end up giving the candidate so much more of a voice. They could spend a lot of time helping people understand gender theory for instance, humanizing victims and encouraging compassion. Instead they just mostly let the candidates mouth off. At best they'll call comments transphobic, or false. But they don't really delve into the tangible consequences of what that means.

allegate

09-26-2023, 09:22 AM

Sorry about the Twitter links :/
It only became a problem when "you can't look at tweets unless you're a member" was implemented and you had nothing to do with that, no need to apologize. :)

In other news...

Trump Rant About 'Batty' Whales And Windmills Leaves Critics In Stitches (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-whales-windmills-reactions_n_6512885ee4b018d0253a566d)

Donald Trump’s on the warpath against his mortal enemy again, and it made a big splash on social media.

The former president raved during a campaign speech in South Carolina that “windmills” are driving whales “crazy.”

“Windmills are causing whales to die in numbers never seen before. Nobody does anything about that,” he claimed.

“They’re driving the wales, I think, a little batty,” he said.

and of course it's not actually about the whales, but about someone telling him 'no'.

Trump’s had a yearslong vendetta against wind turbines, ever since a lengthy and unsuccessful legal battle to stop Scottish officials from building what he called a “really ugly wind farm” in view of his Aberdeen golf resort.

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versusreality

09-26-2023, 03:31 PM

lots of misinformed rhetoric about wind farms in the red areas of the Jersey shore too. you can see lots of signs of lawns like "say no to windmills" and tied to local politicians running on that rhetoric. it's sad and pathetic.

they're all like "save the whales!" yet dine at their local seafood places.

marodi

09-26-2023, 05:52 PM

It only became a problem when "you can't look at tweets unless you're a member" was implemented and you had nothing to do with that, no need to apologize. :)

In other news...

Trump Rant About 'Batty' Whales And Windmills Leaves Critics In Stitches (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-whales-windmills-reactions_n_6512885ee4b018d0253a566d)

and of course it's not actually about the whales, but about someone telling him 'no'.

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Somewhere in that video, a meme involving the sorely missed Fail Whale is hiding.

BRoswell

09-26-2023, 07:19 PM

Climate change is fake, but windmills causing whales to go crazy? Now THAT'S real!

allegate

10-03-2023, 11:49 AM

Supreme Court rejects Trump's candidacy (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/supreme-court-rejects-trump-s-candidacy/ss-AA1hDlsM?ocid=bingrewardsflybn&cvid=a3c5c260e6fc464d9955bb9ebacc2d48&ei=10#image=1)
On Monday, October 2, 2023, the United States Supreme Court rejected a request to block Donald Trump’s 2024 presidential candidacy. The request, based on accusations of incitement to riot on January 6, 2021, was filed by Texas State tax consultant John Anthony Castro.

The justices denied the lawsuit, saying there was no standing to disqualify Trump’s candidacy under the third section of the 14th Amendment to the U.S.Constitution. well that's that then, if he didn't qualify under the 14th then no one does and it's a useless amendment at this point.

GulDukat

10-13-2023, 08:40 AM

Do Democrats Understand How Bad the Election Is Looking? (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/10/biden-candidate-primary-challenge-democrats-election-nominee-2024-whitmer-polls.html?utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=nym&utm_source=tw&fbclid=IwAR1IfBbkMU_q8jMWt6YSpQn9N2EQ73-cqCKF_yoFEw7UGMJxstqSqV8Z8h4)

A Michigan poll shows Trump leading Biden 42 to 35 percent. One in Pennsylvania has Trump leading 45 to 36 percent.

GulDukat

10-19-2023, 09:30 AM

From Morning Consult:
(https://pro.morningconsult.com/analysis/biden-trump-swing-state-polling)

In an aggregate of surveys from Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, former President Donald Trump leads President Joe Biden by 4 percentage points.

I'm getting very worried.

allegate

10-19-2023, 02:27 PM

Don't be, what kind of people actually answer their phone now? OLD ONES.

GulDukat

11-05-2023, 09:12 AM

Trump leads in five swing-states. (https://dnyuz.com/2023/11/05/trump-leads-in-5-critical-states-as-voters-blast-biden-times-siena-poll-finds/)

Several polls over a considerable period of time point to Trump winning next year. The alarm bells should be going off. I don't get it. I really don't. He's been indicted four times, tried to overthrow the results of the last election, 1/6, etc. I really don't get it.

Wretchedest

11-06-2023, 01:01 AM

allegate

11-08-2023, 04:16 PM

Well, looks like 2023 elections went pretty well, other than a few that probably weren't all that close anyway.

For example, Mississippi. The governor is young enough to be there for a long time and he needs to be doing something else with his life other than making sure the state remains number one in terrible things and number 50 for good ones.

bobbie solo

11-09-2023, 11:22 PM

Biden sure is doing everything he can to ensure there is maximum voter apathy toward him a year from now though, isn't he? Def. not capitalizing on/galvanizing people after last night's results.

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Wretchedest

11-10-2023, 01:38 AM

bobbie solo

11-11-2023, 01:37 AM

Ah yes, here we have a classic case of the establishment forgetting they need the progressives, and then inevitably the progressives will burn down all of their own causes in protest when it comes time to vote. It's an issue that has very little tangible impact on our country on the surface, but it's lasting impact will be dividing the left to end democracy.

I get what you're saying, and I agree b/c I understand the lesser of two evils pact alot of us make when we step in the voting booth. But, I also don't blame anyone who morally can't bring themselves to vote for the guy b/c of how distraught/angry/grief stricken they may be b/c of the horror that Israel is wreaking, and solely b/c our gov't directly funds it & supports it. The images & stories coming out daily are just so terrible. Some of the worst examples of human suffering you can imagine, and it's a direct result of US policy.

Now, the argument could also be made that Biden's outward full throated support is not matching the behind the scenes diplomacy taking place that, for example, has resulted in this meager supposed 4-6 hour daily break in the bombing. But to expect normal people that to follow the supposed three dimensional political chess taking place as if they were politics junkies like some of us is just not realistic. They are gonna go with what they see from Biden outwardly. And outwardly, it's really really bad & is going to result in tons of people staying home, regardless of whether it's wise or not. Hillary caused the same apathy. I fear this could be worse.

implanted_microchip

11-12-2023, 10:23 AM

If 10,000 dead Palestinians a month, cutting off electricity and water and targeting hospitals is what you are willing to accept as justified, you’re a morally bankrupt piece of shit who deserves to lose, and no amount of propaganda, whataboutisms, wonky analysis or lesser of two evils arguments is going to reframe that into a positive light. As always, if it costs the Democrats anything, it will be everyone else’s fault. The lengths people are going to defend this shit is sickening. And if “well, we’ve been killing people all the time” is the best you’ve got, you may as well just say you think imperialism and genocide are acceptable to you. It’s not the compelling argument you think it is and only adds to the apathy and lack of faith. That opposing these things makes somebody a radical or an idealist is disgusting.

versusreality

11-12-2023, 07:02 PM

to lighten the mood:
I laughed at what the Trump impersonator on SNL called Tim Scott. "Skim Scott, because he's like skim milk, less than 2%"

GulDukat

11-30-2023, 07:07 AM

Opinion What does Gavin Newsom think he’s doing?
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/29/gavin-newsom-2024-campaign-hannity-debate-desantis/)

...But all of them stood down and pretended there was nothing weird about renominating an 81-year-old man with a 39 percent approval rating (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/). Among party members in good standing, only an obscure congressman, Dean Phillips, has offered token resistance.

But here comes Newsom, who near as I can tell is the only serious Democrat willing to do the responsible thing. Newsom isn’t challenging Biden outright or seeking to upend the party, which is fine. He’s just setting himself up as a clear option, should an option be needed before the convention.

Space Suicide

11-30-2023, 08:02 AM

I wish I could go the entire rest of my lifetime without hearing "The Most Important Election In Our Lifetime" ever again.

GulDukat

11-30-2023, 10:38 AM

I wish I could go the entire rest of my lifetime without hearing "The Most Important Election In Our Lifetime" ever again.

I know but this next one kind of is. If Trump wins in 2024, I don't think he'd leave on 1/20/'29.

M1ke

11-30-2023, 11:35 AM

I know but this next one kind of is. If Trump wins in 2024, I don't think he'd leave on 1/20/'29.

While I agree with what you're saying, losing in 2020 didn't get him out of the news cycle. It didn't stop his style of politics from continuing to grow, and I have a hard time picturing a loss in 2024 stopping the style of politics that he's contaminated the GOP with.

If he loses in 2024, they *probably* won't let him run again, but that won't stop Densantis from trying to run with the same policies, plans and rhetoric. Losing elections isn't enough to make the GOP say "Hey, maybe we should do something differently now", it's causing them to double-down.

At some point, the general population is going to grow tired of hearing "the most important election of our lifetime", and stop paying attention to the very real and necessary alarms being triggered.

The only thing that stops every election from here on out from being the one that saves the USA, is the GOP being completely dissolved. How do we go about making that happen? Because without that, eventually they'll win, and the USA will be done-for.

Jinsai

12-04-2023, 03:33 PM

allegate

12-04-2023, 04:40 PM

you mean other than Trump? Probably the guys I saw while driving through this area that had a giant - like, it looked big and the building wasn't close to the road at all - "Trump Won" banner that was in the style of the 80s GI Joe cartoon "now you know".

GulDukat

12-04-2023, 07:20 PM

Trump is now saying that if the election weren't rigged, he would have won New York and California. I'm so sick of the insanity. Is there anyone on this planet stupid and deluded enough to actually think Trump won California?.

A lot of his voters know that's bullshit, but will say "that's just Trump being Trump. What about Hunter Biden? I think the economy will be better with him back as president and things were better under his administration."

elevenism

12-09-2023, 11:56 AM

Are you all aware off Project 2025? It's BASICALLY a Republican plan to make trump a fucking dictator the day he is inaugurated.

It includes immediately invoking the insurrection act of 1807 (so the military can be used to combat domestic crime), give near absolute power to the executive branch/POTUS, declare that any and all displays of non hetero/cis sexuality are illegal "pornography" (as in flying a rainbow flag is illegal), basically render Congress irrelevant, end or gut MOST of the "administrative branch" of the US (no more FBI, DHS, Department of Education, etc, with POTUS controlling what's left, like EPA, FDA, ), use what is left of the DOJ to go after "Trump's Adversaries," and a bunch of other more shit.
OH YEAH. It also involves removing public college funding, and using that money to fund Trump's "America Academy.'
They are currently using AI to determine who is loyal to (Trump), and 40,000 civil servants will be fired and replaced with 'patriots', aka Trump Loyalists, in every gvmt/civil service position, and a BUNCH of other more shit. In fact, lemme throw down this quote:

"The plan would perform a swift takeover of the entire executive branch under a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory — a theory proposing the president has ABSOLUTE POWER of the executive branch — upon inauguration"

This dovetails with the horrifying "Agenda 47," which, among MANY other Nazi-style tactics, includes a pledge to "terminate ALL WORK PERMITS for immigrants," and...wait for it..."ROUND UP EVERY 'ILLEGAL ALIEN' AND PLACE THEM IN DETENTION CAMPS.' This also involves giving anyone caught selling drugs the DEATH PENALTY, ARREST all homeless people, and 'TERMINATE THE CONSTITUTION' if POTUS finds evidence of fraud in the 2020 election, (at least Captain Asshole tried to walk THAT one back a LITTLE, but it's there in black and white), "put God back in schools," and whatnot.

Y'all? I know this this sounds like an Alex Jones fever dream of something similar to what the "Marxist Deep State Globalists" will do, one day. I've been expecting this for 20 years: I'm a kooky, crazy conspiracy theorist.
But, see, unfortunately, this shit is VERY real, and these people AREN'T fucking around. These people are VERY smart, VERY well organized, and VERY serious.

THIS IS IT. This is the fucking Dictatorial Theocratic Police State that so many "truthers" have feared for decades, complete with rounding people up and putting them in internment camps.THIS is borderline Nazi Germany.

HOLY SHIT, this is motherfucking YEAR ZERO. Did Trent have a goddamn vision from God? This plan began in 2022. I'm not sure art will be ENOUGH resistance, though.

This is slightly old news: I missed it because of medical shit, and my addiction to geopolitics. I've been going down this hiding-in-plain-sight rabbit hole since yesterday.

If you wanna getcha' taste of it, HERE is the Project 2025 Wikipedia Page (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025). Getcha' pull! Get a slug of it!

There's also a super happy fun 920 page book called Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise- it's one of the "Four Pillars" of Project 2025, and outlines the plan. (I've looked at a bit of it, and it's FAR more disturbing than, say, O9A's Big Black Book of Satan, so be careful with it).

Edit: frighteningly, by almost all accounts at THIS point, trump WILL win. The US was cool while it lasted. It's been an honor.

Jinsai

12-09-2023, 08:18 PM

trump WILL win.

No he won't. Our memories can't be that short.

Pillfred

12-09-2023, 09:38 PM

If it comes down to him and Biden again he might though. If the kids come out to vote Biden could pull it off but as close as it was last time idk. Things are pretty wild right now.

The fact that these two are even the main options right now is absurd. Even beyond the next election I don’t see it getting any better for a while.

The above post about Trump people being all, “but Biden, economy etc, is stuff I hear all the time around my family.

Jinsai

12-12-2023, 12:17 AM

there's a certain individual that, if Trump were to select him as his running mate, would ensure victory.
I will not break the seal and tempt the devil by actually saying his name.
I just hope Trump's ego gets in the way of it ever happening

But really, who Trump picks as his running mate could make a huge difference here. Don't let your imagination run too wild.

elevenism

12-12-2023, 12:24 AM

No he won't. Our memories can't be that short.
The problem is, old droogiwoog, is that there IS no more our/we.
Aside from a handful of swing...fucking COUNTIES, really, it's US and THEM.
And A.- THEY have the momentum. Furthermore, 2.-THEY fucking CHEATED.
As far as part A, well...Trump voters are PISSED: I'd wager that the indictments are a big part of why he's in the lead. They're also mostly WOEFULLY misinformed, and at the very least, likely don't know every extant right wing think tank and hidden hand alt-right supervillain have converged to turn their useful idiot cartoon mascot into a literal borderline puppet god-king, as the people who can read good and stuff ACTUALLY restructure the gvmt to their liking, end Posse Comitatus, etc. I mean jesus, dude. And the ones who DO know...well, they fucking LIKE it. I've seen horrific examples of people who WANT us moving towards a dictatorship.
2. Cheating:
They've rigged the fucking swing states through years of implementation of voter suppression and gerrymandering. Hell, TX was EXPECTED to be purple by now. NOT ANYMORE.
And @Pillfred (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=393) , idk about the 18-24 crowd SPECIFICALLY, but I know Trump is beating Biden with prospective voters under 30.
Yes, some of these kids are cool and politically literate and such, but a LOT of them are drawn to trump because he's bombastic. Like, I've a bisexual (read-gay), half Mexican (looks whole Mexican), atheist cousin in his early 20s who eats mushrooms and ecstasies, and looooooooves trump. I asked him why, and he said "well, I mean, he KICKS ASS, dude.' And I was like " yeah, but what particular policy issues draw you to him, and the right in general?" "It's that he fucking RULES, cuz!"

All I know for GODDAMN sure is that we HAVE TO pull this off, SOMEHOW.
And if we don't? There're fucking more of us than there are of them, irl: Republicans shouldn't have a CHANCE, federally, like, AT ALL, based on simple fucking math.
So IF we don't ? If we don't pull this off? I've a feeling it may be My Violent Heart up in this bitch.
And I am DEAD ass serious. They call themselves Patriots, as they try to REMOVE freedom, en masse, and drastically change our system of gvmt? I could see...well, let's just say it wouldn't be pretty.

Jinsai

12-12-2023, 02:20 AM

That's the thing though elevenism, he doesn't kick ass in any way. Forget his policies and leadership and whatever, disregard his narcissism and dangerous ignorance, grifting, blah blah blah... Let's just look at him as cool... like, someone who fucking RULES

https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1734306990686347385

GulDukat

12-12-2023, 12:44 PM

My money is on a Trump/Haley ticket. She would provide "legitimacy" and maybe help him with women voters.

elevenism

12-12-2023, 02:17 PM

That's the thing though @elevenism (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2475), he doesn't kick ass in any way. Forget his policies and leadership and whatever, disregard his narcissism and dangerous ignorance, grifting, blah blah blah... Let's just look at him as cool... like, someone who fucking RULES

https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1734306990686347385

You know DAMN WELL that I'M a fucking borderline MILITANT leftist.
I enjoy the Weather Underground, and have a complicated fondness for Mr. Carlos the Jackal, ffs.

I was just Presenting, for Your Approval, what a youngster...again, a LGBTQ, Mexican, BLOOD relative of mine thinks. And, he'll be going to the polls, along with his cohort of bad hombres...you know, like, upper middle class, coddled Coheed and Cambria and Ax7 fans (of which he appears to be the token Mexican-i mean, they call him Beans).

@Jinsai (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=272) , please tell me you didn't read that as me saying that I PERSONALLY have ANY sort of positive opinion of Captain Donald J. Asshole.
Did you think i'd turned heel in the few months i wasn't here every day?

Good god...i know i didn't finish my degree, but i'd like to think my rants and ramblings haven't become THAT fucking incomprehensible.
Jesus, man, i'm still trying to write the Great American...book of poems for people who like Cummings and Dickinson, combined with blatantly whiny, nihilistic sadboy nonsense (who can read good). :P

Jinsai

12-12-2023, 02:58 PM

No elevenism, I'm not saying you've got that perspective, I just don't get how anyone could... like wear a t-shirt with his mug shot on it, get a fucking tattoo of his leathery face, wrap your car in a photo of Trump with Rambo abs and a machine gun...

The guy is such a dork. His favorite song is YMCA, and when he "dances" he looks like grandpa got drunk and is making fun of hip hop gestures again. There's nothing cool about being a republican, full stop right there... but all the nepotism, grifting, racism, misogyny, stupidity, narcissism, whatever, but there's NO excuse for his fucking dancing.

GulDukat

12-12-2023, 04:03 PM

I don't get it. I really don't get why some people think he's "the man."

Jinsai

12-12-2023, 04:47 PM

I don't get it. I really don't get why some people think he's "the man."

A lot of blame for that goes to The Apprentice rescuing his brand from the trash heap. It repositioned him as the embodiment of what his 1980's facade was: opulence, fame, wealth. The truth was he'd ruined his empire by the time The Apprentice came along. According to people who worked on the show, all his shit was falling apart and he was a mess. He couldn't remember his lines, he would change his mind and fire the wrong person, they had to edit him together to seem coherent, and his whole portrayal of the Trump prestige was Hollywood smoke and mirrors.

But in the 80s, Trump was all about "I'm rich so I get to do whatever the fuck I want!" and that was supposed to be this badass boss thing to aspire to. But he's not cool. He's Mr Garrison.

elevenism

12-12-2023, 06:18 PM

No @elevenism (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2475), I'm not saying you've got that perspective, I just don't get how anyone could... like wear a t-shirt with his mug shot on it, get a fucking tattoo of his leathery face, wrap your car in a photo of Trump with Rambo abs and a machine gun...

The guy is such a dork. His favorite song is YMCA, and when he "dances" he looks like grandpa got drunk and is making fun of hip hop gestures again. There's nothing cool about being a republican, full stop right there... but all the nepotism, grifting, racism, misogyny, stupidity, narcissism, whatever, but there's NO excuse for his fucking dancing.

Dude, i think i have an idea.
It's HARD to grasp, i know. But keep in mind...i've found the main nerve.
I live in LITERALLY the reddest district in the country...before the most recent gerrymandering monkeyfuckery, but, still...it was, as such, as of a year or two ago, and i've been here since, well...since i changed from eleven11 to elevenism, so...fuck me, going on eleven years.

AND, i did most of my growing up in Dallas: the only spot i've ever been in that spawned SOME long haired, dope shooting, guitar rockers, die hard hip hoppers, D&B bumping candy flipping ravers, and LITERAL gangbangers, who skewed to the right...and i said SOME, but the very fact that such people exist, baffles me.

I wrote you a damn essay, but i deleted it. The bottom line, though, i'd say, is that mostly, people don't know what they're voting for.

And as far as the KIDS? Dude, what is counterculture, in a culture with an (actually INTOLERANT) media that gives the APPEARANCE that tolerance won? That the left WON? With a presidential race wherein the dude who actually MAY give a shit appears to be a boring old fucker, and the other dude is calling people names and being as disruptive as fuck?
What would SEEM to be the punk rock stance in that situation: to follow the cat with ethics and decorum, or the one who, ostensibly, doesn't give a fuck?

GulDukat

12-17-2023, 12:37 AM

Trump takes significant polling lead over Biden in presidential race (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4362622-trump-takes-significant-polling-lead-over-biden-in-presidential-race/)

versusreality

12-17-2023, 04:38 AM

I do sometimes wonder if America will be one of those short lived countries. I hope not.

Swykk

12-17-2023, 06:28 AM

I don’t trust polls after 2016 and then again in 2020.

allegate

12-19-2023, 05:34 PM

Trump Is Disqualified From the 2024 Ballot, Colorado Supreme Court Rules (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/19/us/politics/trump-colorado-ballot-14th-amendment.html)
It’s the first court to find that the disqualification clause of the 14th Amendment applies to Mr. Trump, in addition to affirming that he engaged in insurrection.

Colorado Supreme Court bars Donald Trump from appearing on the state’s ballot in 2024 (https://www.denverpost.com/2023/12/19/donald-trump-colorado-ballot-case-supreme-court-14th-amendment/)

versusreality

12-19-2023, 07:01 PM

it's so sad that even that ruling doesn't change anything in terms of the general election.

now, if a swing state or red state ruled that, well, that would be amazing. but we know that's not happening sadly.

M1ke

12-19-2023, 07:34 PM

GulDukat

01-05-2024, 06:28 PM

CNN’s inaugural Road to 270 shows Trump in a position to win the White House (https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/05/politics/road-to-270-electoral-votes-2024/index.html)

Jinsai

01-06-2024, 12:30 PM

if we re-elect Trump, we can't say "oh, let's give him a chance" or "I wonder what that's gonna be like..." You dumb assholes knew what he was all about; he's not even hiding it. We got a 4 year preview of how bad it will get, and it will be infinitely worse. He's flat out using fucking Nazi language now, and openly telling Hannity that he'll be a dictator, day one. If you ask for this guy to be president again, just fuck you.

I know we're so used to bullshit from Trump that it feels exhausting to even point it out, but this new rhetoric is worse than shit like referring to the press as "the enemy of the people." Virmin? Poisoning the blood of America? I'm glad that Biden finally called this language out. Maybe too little too late, who knows, but at least he finally said something.

GulDukat

01-10-2024, 09:56 PM

I wonder why Christie dropped out now, before Iowa? Might as well stay in another week.

GulDukat

01-15-2024, 08:29 PM

Iowa results. (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/15/us/elections/results-iowa-caucus.html)

GulDukat

01-16-2024, 07:10 AM

Iowa caucus results 2024: Trump wins first race, Ramaswamy ends campaign (https://www.msnbc.com/2024-election/live-blog/iowa-caucus-live-updates-rcna131529)

According to NBC News’ projections, Trump easily won Iowa’s Republican presidential caucuses tonight, with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/ron-desantis-election-candidate-2024-president-rcna100940) claiming the coveted second-place finish and former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley (https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/nikki-haley-election-candidate-2024-president-rcna99994) coming in third.
After finishing fourth, businessman Vivek Ramaswamy (https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/vivek-ramaswamy-election-candidate-2024-president-rcna98771) announced that he was dropping out (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/vivek-ramaswamy-dropping-2024-presidential-race-rcna133875) and would endorse Trump.

allegate

01-16-2024, 12:43 PM

Some interesting commentary out of Iowa though. For example, sure he got 50+% of the vote but it was also the lowest turnout ever. On top of that, how much control does he have over the party if almost half the people who voted did so against him? I think there's a lot of doom and gloom to be had, sure, but don't look for it and ignore the silver lining.

OTOH, I was nearly fired in 2016/17 for how depressed that win made me so if I tend to look for rosy cheeks right now that's why.

https://assets.amuniversal.com/eeec46007126013c2a5a005056a9545d

versusreality

01-16-2024, 04:25 PM

NH is going to be more interesting.

GulDukat

01-16-2024, 04:35 PM

NH is going to be more interesting.

If Trump wins, the Republican nomination is pretty much over.

M1ke

01-16-2024, 08:08 PM

It'd take something pretty serious to stop him from being the republican nominee. Removal from the ballot in enough key states might do it. Prison probably won't.

I don't know if the Republican party has an identity beyond him anymore. Though to be fair, I'm not really sure the Democrats do either. Anything he's involved in, the debate is Trump VS Not-Trump.

Random Democrat VS Random Non-Trump Republican, would it really be making headlines the same way? He'll be the nominee.

Wretchedest

01-16-2024, 11:41 PM

It's definitely worth mentioning that altogether "not trump" came pretty close. Trump wins by dividing and conquering, yet again. I don't see Haley or DeSantis dropping out any time soon, but if one of them does, they might have a shot. The real question is if the left can hold it together in November. I've seen a lot of division over Palestine, and I expect those feelings to come up a lot in the coming months.

Deacon Blackfire

01-17-2024, 12:56 AM

Fair point, things could switch up if there were only two candidates in the field instead of three. If Haley continues to rank at the bottom but doesn't drop out, it would be helping Trump's campaign more than anything.

Looking very much like Trump but regardless of who the candidate ends up being I believe this is an extremely dangerous election for Biden and the Democrats and that as far as those things go we're in for what unfortunately seems to be a very scary year. We all might prefer Biden to Trump but no one really likes him in his own right and he continues to be an anemic president whose administration utterly fails to highlight any positive advancements they could claim and struggles to have the public associate the president with something besides "nothing." These things do not fill me with confidence come November.

GulDukat

01-17-2024, 06:38 AM

If Trump wins in NH, I don't see how either DeSantis or Haley continues. What's the point? I'm surprised DeSantis is still in the race, tbh. He didn't put any resources in NH, will place third, and then it's off to SC, which he will also lose. He's not going to be the nominee.

Haley is competitive in NH (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/new-hampshire/)(could be an upset) and then it's off to SC. She lags behind Trump (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/south-carolina/), but a NH win could change that. I can see her staying in the race for now.

GulDukat

01-17-2024, 08:45 AM

The Inside Story of How Ron DeSantis Got Crushed by Donald Trump (https://themessenger.com/politics/the-inside-story-of-how-ron-desantis-got-crushed-by-donald-trump-exclusive)

There’s dispute about whether Trump was ever beatable in a GOP primary. But there’s little disagreement among connected political pros about the multiple problems with the campaign of DeSantis, an aloof not-ready-for-primetime candidate who didn’t know what he didn’t know and was arrogant about it, according to more than a dozen insiders who shared their insight to The Messenger since March.

GulDukat

01-20-2024, 01:18 PM

Here’s why Trump is ahead in the New Hampshire polls (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-ahead-new-hampshire-republican-independent-rcna134349)

According to this article Haley is beating Trump by 10-20 points with independents, but Trump's maig lead with Republican voters is keeping him in the lead. A lot is riding on Tuesday.

burnmotherfucker!

01-20-2024, 04:34 PM

god fucking damnit 2024

we really doing round two? ok.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGmXGkIr7w0

versusreality

01-21-2024, 02:27 PM

Ron drops out, endorses Trump. No surprises there.

BRoswell

01-21-2024, 04:36 PM

Ron drops out, endorses Trump. No surprises there.

What a worm.

Jinsai

01-21-2024, 05:13 PM

Desantis is hoping to get picked for VP.

It would be a strong ticket. There's someone else that Trump could pick to be his running mate and it would probably spell certain victory. His name rhymes with 'fucker.'

allegate

01-22-2024, 10:07 AM

Huh, I wonder if Wiley's going to be removed from even more newspapers for this one.

https://assets.amuniversal.com/1eb51b70871d013c3158005056a9545d

GulDukat

01-23-2024, 10:38 AM

“Ding, ding, ding, boom, whoosh!” (https://newrepublic.com/post/178321/watch-trump-missile-defense-ding-ding-ding-boom-whoosh)

Jinsai

01-23-2024, 12:16 PM

“Ding, ding, ding, boom, whoosh!” (https://newrepublic.com/post/178321/watch-trump-missile-defense-ding-ding-ding-boom-whoosh)

BTW, when bragging about that basic cognitive test that he knocked out of the park, he says that he was asked to identify the shape of a whale. Apparently, according to people who administer this test, there's no whale. He either just can't stop making shit up all the time on impulse, or he's seeing whales where there are none.

versusreality

01-23-2024, 07:02 PM

no surprise, Trump wins NH.
brace yourselves.

GulDukat

01-23-2024, 07:27 PM

I thought that there might be an upset in NH, like Clinton beating Obama in that state in 2008. The electorate was more favorable to Haley than in other states.

I'm listening to her now and she is vowing to go on, but I don't see how she wins the nomination.

GulDukat

01-24-2024, 08:48 AM

Trump's NH victory speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz8M7pFZv50&t=3s

I almost felt bad for Tim Scott.

GulDukat

01-24-2024, 08:53 AM

'Bright red warning signs are flashing for Trump' despite NH win: Politico (https://www.rawstory.com/trump-2024-2667073895/)

"The general election coalition Trump would have to build is deeply fractured over issues of his conduct," writes Politico. "Just look at Haley’s supporters, whose support he would need in November. In New Hampshire on Tuesday, roughly 9 in 10 Haley voters said they would not be happy with a third Trump nomination, according to exit polls, while 84 percent of her backers said Trump would be unfit for the presidency again if convicted of a crime."

GulDukat

01-25-2024, 10:06 AM

Trump warns Haley donors will be ‘permanently barred from the MAGA camp’ (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4428148-trump-warns-haley-donors-will-be-permanently-barred-maga-camp/)

“Anybody that makes a ‘Contribution’ to Birdbrain, from this moment forth, will be permanently barred from the MAGA camp. We don’t want them, and will not accept them, because we Put America First, and ALWAYS WILL!”

allegate

01-25-2024, 11:59 AM

GulDukat

01-31-2024, 09:43 AM

Bloomberg poll: Biden losing ground to Trump on immigration (https://www.axios.com/2024/01/31/bloomberg-poll-biden-immigration-trump)

Asked how they would vote if the election were held today in a one-one-one matchup, Biden trails Trump by an average of 48%-42% across the seven states, which resembles other polls showing Biden lagging Trump (https://www.axios.com/2023/11/05/trump-leads-biden-poll-nyt) in the key states.

On the other hand:

Trump Risks Losing More Than Half of Swing-State Voters If Found Guilty (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-risks-losing-more-than-half-of-swing-state-voters-if-found-guilty/ar-BB1hxwyQ)

allegate

01-31-2024, 09:47 AM

I know we're the wrong people for these polls because we're more online than the average idiot, but literally headlines are Biden saying he'd close the border and Trump saying don't close the border. WTAF are these people reading?

allegate

02-05-2024, 09:39 AM

Meta Oversight Board says manipulated video of Biden can stay on Facebook (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/meta-oversight-board-says-manipulated-video-of-biden-can-stay-on-facebook/ar-BB1hNqTO)

A highly edited video of President Biden on Facebook will remain on the platform after an independent body that oversees Meta's content moderation determined that the post does not violate the company's policies, but the panel also criticized the company's manipulated media policy as "incoherent and confusing."oh well that's OK then. No problem.

GulDukat

02-05-2024, 10:20 AM

Poll: 20-point deficit on handling economy highlights Biden’s struggles against Trump
(https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/poll-biden-trump-economy-presidential-race-rcna136834)

Biden trails GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump on major policy and personal comparisons, including by more than 20 points on which candidate would better handle the economy. And Biden’s deficit versus Trump on handling immigration and the border is greater than 30 points.

The poll also shows Trump holding a 16-point advantage over Biden on being competent and effective, a reversal from 2020, when Biden was ahead of Trump on this quality by 9 points before defeating him in that election.

All together, these numbers explain why the poll shows Trump leading Biden by 5 points among registered voters in a hypothetical 2024 general-election matchup, 47% to 42%. While the result is within the poll’s margin of error, the last year of polling shows a clear shift.

Americans are stupid.

allegate

02-05-2024, 11:40 AM

really fucking stupid, you mean.

I know polling is screwed six ways from Sunday but man. On one hand I'm glad they're like this - I don't want a complacent voting block like in 2016 - but on the other hand mental health can only take so much of this horse manure.

I just hope his heart can't take much more of the stress of all the cases plus getting hit by both of his opponents on how mentally deficient he is.

richardp

02-05-2024, 10:29 PM

I just hope his heart can't take much more of the stress of all the cases plus getting hit by both of his opponents on how mentally deficient he is.

I joke often with my friends about him getting fed up and going full scarface on a pile of Addy and just going out with a bang, throwing Big Macs at motherfuckers left and right until his heart explodes out of his ketchup soaked chest.

allegate

02-06-2024, 10:26 AM

Appeals court denies Trump immunity in DC election case (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/appeals-court-denies-trump-immunity-in-dc-election-case/ar-BB1hRH66)

Too right, get fucked you orange baboon.

"But any executive immunity that may have protected him while he served as President no longer protects him against this prosecution."
I would have rathered language like "should never protect him" but whatevs.

GulDukat

02-06-2024, 10:30 AM

I wonder if the Supreme Court will take the case?

GulDukat

02-07-2024, 06:09 AM

Nikki Haley is trounced by the ‘none of these candidates’ option in Nevada’s Republican primary (https://apnews.com/article/nevada-2024-presidential-primary-biden-trump-haley-d731bf8ab1e7d4a7379c07d3a37b581b)

allegate

02-07-2024, 09:11 AM

Yeah, but that's the one that Trump doesn't like so "it doesn't count"; there's another tomorrow.

Considering how many Republican state offices are flailing, what's going to happen? I know we have been promised an implosion pretty much every election cycle since 2018 but with Ronna Romney stepping down (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ronna-mcdaniel-expected-to-step-down-as-rnc-chair/ar-BB1hTxsF) for a bootlicker...maybe this is the year?

edit: but also...

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sZ9gwcAb-W0/WOPlShf1r2I/AAAAAAAAASM/A8BkXinPj6E-3XEH2p4G7d0svLwKgXv_ACLcB/s1600/Brewsters-Millions-10-13-Movie-CLIP-None-of-the-Above-YouTube.jpg

allegate

02-08-2024, 09:25 AM

richardp

02-08-2024, 04:26 PM

Delusional people that think the fuckin Green Party ever stands a chance in this country, that's who!

GulDukat

02-09-2024, 09:45 PM

It's panic time. (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13065937/joe-biden-democrat-panic-michelle-obama-gavin-newsom-garage-classified.html)

I'm starting to think Newsom should replace Biden as the nominee. We can't have another term of Trump.

allegate

02-11-2024, 10:07 PM

https://www.twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1756888470599967000

Aladdinsanity

02-11-2024, 11:57 PM

https://www.twitter.com/vanessid/status/1756899560352538768?s=46

Sarah K

02-13-2024, 11:15 PM

The administration leaning into Dark Brandon is such a simple amusement for me. Like 7 layers of Internet Dumbshittery that will appeal to/register for 8.4% of the population. Good shit.

allegate

02-15-2024, 09:28 AM

Trump calls Putin's comment that he prefers Biden over Trump a 'great compliment' (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-putins-comment-that-he-prefers-biden-over-trump-a-great-compliment/ar-BB1iiVo5)

Former President Donald Trump reacted to Russian President Vladimir Putin saying he prefers President Joe Biden over Trump because Biden is "more experienced" and "more predictable" -- which Trump called a "great compliment."

"President Putin of Russia has just given me a great compliment, actually," Trump said at a campaign rally in North Charleston, South Carolina, on Wednesday.

"He just said that he would much rather have Joe Biden as president than Trump," he continued. "Now that's a compliment. ... And of course, he would say that."

His supporters already do a lot of mental gymnastics so they're flexible enough to accept this but everyone else is left strained and sprained on the floor.

Jinsai

02-15-2024, 06:35 PM

It's almost like Putin lies or something...

Who would think a guy invested in a huge misinformation campaign would say stuff that isn't true?

GulDukat

02-20-2024, 03:10 AM

New picture of Mike Johnson giving a thumbs up with Trump. (https://www.rawstory.com/trump-johnson-2667318263/)

The Speaker of the House is getting chummy with an insurrectionist who says he wants to be a dictator.

Jinsai

02-22-2024, 05:14 PM

All this stuff about Biden having dementia, and all the close analysis of every time he stutters or speaks slowly...

And on the other hand, Trump rambles about how he'd rather be electrocuted to death than be eaten by a shark, and the audience claps and everyone moves on and acts like that insane batshit thing didn't just happen.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/02/donald-trump-electrocution-campaign-event-iowa

allegate

02-22-2024, 05:48 PM

https://www.threads.net/@accountablegop/post/C3qf6bix2Km

i swear these people need to be removed from the gene pool

GulDukat

02-22-2024, 07:29 PM

GulDukat

02-22-2024, 07:31 PM

https://www.threads.net/@accountablegop/post/C3qf6bix2Km

i swear these people need to be removed from the gene pool

And they'll laugh it off with "it was just a joke."

BRoswell

02-22-2024, 08:35 PM

I love how they went from "Antifa/FBI was involved with January 6th" to "Yeah, we did it, and we'll do it again too!" Great strategy there.

Jinsai

02-23-2024, 01:27 PM

In case you can’t see what Bob’s holding in his hand when he says he’s going to replace democracy with it, it’s a rosary.

and here’s trump talking to a Christian broadcast group, saying he’s a proud Christian, and taking credit for overturning Roe

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-says-hell-defend-christianity-from-radical-left-that-seek-to-tear-down-crosses

Jinsai

02-23-2024, 11:17 PM

"These lights are so bright in my eyes that I can't see too many people out there... but uh... I can only see the black ones, I can't see any white ones, y'see. That's how far I've come. That's how far I've come. That's a long way isn't it? Ahhhh, we've come a long way together..."

What in the hellllllllllll...

https://twitter.com/JoJoFromJerz/status/1761248435556986951

GulDukat

02-23-2024, 11:32 PM

versusreality

02-24-2024, 10:51 AM

Not only will it not be a blip, but sadly, it will only gain him more support.
We are in serious trouble.

BRoswell

02-24-2024, 04:20 PM

GulDukat

02-24-2024, 04:44 PM

Nazis mingle openly at CPAC, spreading antisemitic conspiracy theories and finding allies (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nazis-mingle-openly-cpac-spreading-antisemitic-conspiracy-theories-fin-rcna140335)

Jinsai

02-24-2024, 08:53 PM

Trump says his criminal indictments boosted his appeal to Black voters | AP News (https://apnews.com/article/trump-black-conservative-south-carolina-primary-aa1155c31bfc3b397a32b33eff04ada8)

Ah yes, because nothing courts minorities more than comparing your ridiculous "struggle" to theirs.

Ah yes, because Donald Trump knows what it’s like to be black and “treated so unfairly.” He specifically knows what it’s like to be a black teenager in New York, falsely accused of a heinous crime. Furthermore, he knows what it’s like to be that teen when a trust fund baby billionaire real estate mogul takes out a full page ad in the NYTimes calling for your execution from his ivory tower.

elevenism

02-24-2024, 09:13 PM

@Jinsai (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=272) , did you see that cat Jack Posobiek, or however the fuck you say/spell it, say "welcome to the end of democracy" or whatever?
YEEZUS, man.
(edit: i saw that you caught it. Sorry).

HEY! At least the world, as we know it, is clearly ending, fairly soon.

THAT will be exciting, at least

Jinsai

02-24-2024, 10:19 PM

elevenism

02-24-2024, 10:39 PM

@elevenism (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2475), it’s insane and twisted. Christofascist bullshit.

I’m convinced at this point that Trump could say absolutely anything and he would lose no support. He could openly say that he thinks Hitler is inspiring or something, and his base will only get excited about it. What could he possibly say or do that would sink him?

I saw some “short list” of VP picks that Trump is apparently considering, and thankfully Tucker Carlson wasn’t one of them. That would spell doom for Biden and the next four years would be so awful.

That said I think he’s going to pick DeSantis.
my man...my like, in this case, means, i agree with every fucking word, although, i DID learn a new one: Christofascist.
I usually say "theocrat," however, that could technically apply to ANY religious movement.

What utterly sickens me are, well, two things, actually: these cocksuckers PURPUSOLY mistranslate the bible in an attempt to hide their bigotry, OR, use mistranslations to justify bigotry.
SECONDLY, we now have a metric fuckton of prohpets who have somehow managed to work Donald Trump into their theology.

GulDukat

02-24-2024, 11:00 PM

I'm thinking Trump might pick a woman as a running mate. His logic being he could win over some white suburban women voters.

M1ke

02-25-2024, 07:42 AM

I'm thinking Trump might pick a woman as a running mate. His logic being he could win over some white suburban women voters. finds her very attractive, and might be able to sexually assault her.

Fixed that for you.

richardp

02-25-2024, 08:27 AM

I’m convinced at this point that Trump could say absolutely anything and he would lose no support. He could openly say that he thinks Hitler is inspiring or something, and his base will only get excited about it. What could he possibly say or do that would sink him?

I think all the time about how he could start saying that 9/11 was a great beautiful thing and talking about how Bin Laden did America a favor because he wanted Trump Tower to be the tallest building in America or some shit like that, and suddenly his entire base would swing over to "fuck the 3000 dead Bin Laden was actually a hero"

GulDukat

02-27-2024, 08:17 AM

Trump holds 6-point lead over Biden despite legal woes: Poll (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4490047-trump-holds-6-point-lead-over-biden-despite-legal-woes-poll/)

If Trump is convicted of trying to influence the 2020 election results in Georgia, he’s still the favorite to win, with 52 percent to Biden’s 48 percent.If he’s convicted for inciting the riots at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, his lead extends to 8 points, with 54 percent to Biden’s 46 percent.
And if he’s convicted of crimes related to his handling of classified presidential documents, voters are split 50-50 on who to vote for.

If Trump is convicted of trying to influence the 2020 election results in Georgia, he’s still the favorite to win, with 52 percent to Biden’s 48 percent.If he’s convicted for inciting the riots at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, his lead extends to 8 points, with 54 percent to Biden’s 46 percent.
And if he’s convicted of crimes related to his handling of classified presidential documents, voters are split 50-50 on who to vote for.

A slight majority, or 54 percent, said they think the prosecutions against Trump are politically motivated, rather than fair and unbiased. The same percentage said they thought Trump’s legal cases make it impossible for him to be a viable candidate.
Voters were split 50-50 on whether the former president has committed crimes for which he’ll be convicted — as well as on whether Trump is a “threat to democracy” if he wins a second term in the Oval Office.

So I guess the four Grand Juries that indicted Trump are in on the fix.

I sure hope these polls are wrong.

Jinsai

02-27-2024, 09:31 AM

The most confusing part of that poll is that it’s 50/50 if he’s a threat to democracy, but it’s 48/42 in Trump’s favor to win. That means some people are openly voting for what they perceive to be a threat to democracy? Great. That’s just great. I guess that’s the “undecided vote,” who are undecided if they want a president who threatens democracy. Woo hoo.

I feel resigned to it all. I’ll still vote against him, but it doesn’t matter because I live in California, and we’re a foregone conclusion.

The fact that he even has a chance is bad enough. Even if he loses, this country is fucked up.

GulDukat

02-27-2024, 10:12 AM

I feel resigned to it all. I’ll still vote against him, but it doesn’t matter because I live in California, and we’re a foregone conclusion.

I'm in MA, same deal. There's like six states that determine who wins the election, every time.

allegate

02-27-2024, 10:56 AM

And with the amount of people leaving those six states because the leadership is passing all of those draconian laws...shit, that's depressing.

Jinsai

02-27-2024, 06:16 PM

And with the amount of people leaving those six states because the leadership is passing all of those draconian laws...shit, that's depressing.

I keep holding out hope for Texas to surprise me and stop voting for people like Ted Cruz (https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/trent-reznor-ted-cruz-nine-inch-nails-guest-list-denied-8487155). What happened to that Beto guy? Wasn’t he a big deal for a weekend or something? Wasn’t he supposed to have a chance?

versusreality

02-27-2024, 06:45 PM

This country's been fucked up going back to when 40% of the people living in the colonies still wanted to live under the rule of King George during the Revolutionary War. We've been divided since day 1, so everything that's going on now doesn't surprise me. We are a very uneducated country, and we are seeing the results of that with how many still support Trump.

GulDukat

02-27-2024, 07:55 PM

I keep holding out hope for Texas to surprise me and stop voting for people like Ted Cruz (https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/trent-reznor-ted-cruz-nine-inch-nails-guest-list-denied-8487155). What happened to that Beto guy? Wasn’t he a big deal for a weekend or something? Wasn’t he supposed to have a chance?

I keep hearing that Texas is trending purple, but the state seems like fool's gold for Democrats. Maybe someday.

GulDukat

02-27-2024, 11:22 PM

Some levity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwgzcXnOHyI

elevenism

02-28-2024, 11:04 AM

Nikki Haley would have been a MUCH better candidate. I mean, yeah, i don't agree with her, but at least her goal isn't to become a dictator, with FRIGHTENINGLY smart and effective people pulling the strings (Roger Stone, Steve Bannon).

I've been WARNING you fuckers about Project 2025.

allegate

02-28-2024, 12:16 PM

McConnell will step down as the Senate Republican leader in November after a record run in the job (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mcconnell-will-step-down-as-the-senate-republican-leader-in-november-after-a-record-run-in-the-job/ar-BB1j3wFI?OCID=ansmsnnews11)
McConnell said he plans to serve out his Senate term, which ends in January 2027, “albeit from a different seat in the chamber.” Aides said McConnell’s announcement about the leadership post was unrelated to his health. The Kentucky senator had a concussion from a fall last year and two public episodes where his face briefly froze while he was speaking.

elevenism

02-28-2024, 12:26 PM

I keep hearing that Texas is trending purple, but the state seems like fool's gold for Democrats. Maybe someday.
Dude, this is sad, because, irl, texas IS purple, irl, and has been for fucking decades. Some of my GREAT UNCLES and my GREAT grandparents were die hard leftists until their deaths. It isn't new.
They lived through the depression and loved FDR.

And as of late, look at how close Beto came to ridding the US of Ted Cruz: it was like 51 to 49.
( thelastdisciple , @botley (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=469)... please buy him a Tim Hortons and remind him that he's from Canada. We need an intervention).

The problem is, we have a ridiculously well rigged, republican supermajority at both the state and federal levels, because the Trumplicans keep doing shit like THIS. We are gerrymandered to fucking right wing HELL. (https://www.texastribune.org/2023/06/13/texas-redistricting-lawsuits/)
So yeah. Texas will remain a "republican stronghold" as long as the cocksuckers are in power. And they've BEEN in power since Ann Richards lost to GWB in the super fun right wing revolution of 94-95. So i wouldn't hold my breath on Texas turning purple, although, if people were properly represented, it would be the ULTIMATE swing state. Alas, the game is utterly rigged.
Ugh. It makes me sick.

BTW: I just saw some numbers that had trump winning in a landslide, were the election held today.
Fuck biden for funding genocide, but at least he's, you know, kind of a "regular" president, rather than a useful wannabe dictator like DJT, (which he WILL become, as long as he does the will of Steve Banon, the Heritage Foundation, Roger Stone, etc).

elevenism

02-28-2024, 12:38 PM

Oh dear sweet mother of god, allegate

I mean, that's great for Mitch. But i wonder who trump will install? (and he can clearly install people whether he's president or not- see the resignation of Ronna McDaniel, former head of the RNC).

Look at this lead. I mean, for FUCK'S SAKE, this is pure Hitler:
"Ronna Mcdaniel...will step down as charwoman of the RNC following former President Donald Trump's endorsement of a new slate of leaders to direct The Party."

I just...the motherfucker isn't even president, and he's facing, what, 91 felonies? This isn't even hitler: it's something stranger.

M1ke

02-28-2024, 01:09 PM

And looking at the timing, he was in talks to support Trump as their next candidate.

I suspect he was told he had to support Trump as their candidate, and he did this instead.

Too little too late for Moscow Mitch though, and even still, he hasn't started explicitly that's his reason for doing so either.

Jinsai

02-28-2024, 01:19 PM

it's something stranger.

We’ve been completely normalized into accepting something completely insane. Trump just got up in front of a crowd of black conservatives and said “my favorite color is black.” He actually said that. Kid Rock is back in a political way. Ben Shapiro is rapping. Nothing makes sense.

elevenism

02-28-2024, 01:40 PM

We’ve been completely normalized into accepting something completely insane. Trump just got up in front of a crowd of black conservatives and said “my favorite color is black.” He actually said that. Kid Rock is back in a political way. Ben Shapiro is rapping. Nothing makes sense.

Normalized...absolutely. Shit just gets crazier and crazier, and i guess we're just...an extremely adaptable species?

Also, the at the black conservative event, he said something about how black people like him because they've been mistreated by the US, and so has he (Trump).
-He said they liked him because he had a mugshot on a t-shirt, like, implying that all black people have mugshots.
-He also said he "knew black people, because they built his buildings."

And, yeah...this was at a fucking Black Conservative Gala.

Jesus GOD, i hoped he flipped some of those people back to reality with those comments. Yes, i know, the left makes promises to black people and rarely delivers, but the right, and ESPECIALLY the NEW right, is just fucking openly racist.

but, yeah, Jinsai ... nothing really shocks me these days.

allegate

02-28-2024, 03:29 PM

Marianne Williamson suspends her presidential campaign, ending long-shot primary challenge to Biden (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/marianne-williamson-suspends-her-presidential-campaign-ending-long-shot-primary-challenge-to-biden/ar-BB1hX3Je)

I was told that a suspension is so that they can keep accepting money to pay off debts. Who would still be contributing to someone after they dropped out?well shit, I guess I have my answer.

Marianne Williamson re-enters 2024 race after besting Dean Phillips in Michigan (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/marianne-williamson-re-enters-2024-race-after-besting-dean-phillips-in-michigan/ar-BB1j2V7U?OCID=ansmsnnews11)

Take your crystals and go home, Marianne!

GulDukat

02-29-2024, 12:20 AM

This SNL sketch is funny, but beneath the humor it's actually pretty scary. The skit isn't too far removed from reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcf6sGPx5wY

GulDukat

02-29-2024, 12:48 PM

Trump leading Biden in 7 swing states: Survey (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4496878-trump-leading-biden-seven-swing-states-survey/)

What the hell is wrong with people?

elevenism

02-29-2024, 02:07 PM

Trump leading Biden in 7 swing states: Survey (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4496878-trump-leading-biden-seven-swing-states-survey/)

What the hell is wrong with people?

i'm afraid it's that, this is what america is, dude.
Somehow, WE'RE the intelligentsia...the sophistos, even with our long hair and tattoos and Downward Spirals and shit.

The real america is men screaming "SHOW ME YOUR BUTTHOLE" at Nascar after shotgunning 16 keystone lites, and listening to Kid Rock on the way home before they beat their wives.
They don't understand the POLICIES at play, at all, but they relate to...Donald Fucking Trump, of all people, because despite his Richie Rich impersonation, he, too, would likely scream "SHOW ME YOUR BUTTHOLE" along with them, and wave a confederate flag.
This is my fear.

Also, they aren't aware of Project 2025 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025?fbclid=IwAR274gyLFwZURQ4A4M2FSLkz1o84 U2RaNkYmsfHBdqLRt62ReNoUv25EaO0)

richardp

02-29-2024, 02:10 PM

'twould be a great time for Yellowstone to blow these days, I reckon

allegate

02-29-2024, 04:13 PM

Trump slammed with brutal news from his own party (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikNalQ8-M_o)

good message near the end to calm anxiety down a bit.

GulDukat

03-01-2024, 11:37 PM

Trump slammed with brutal news from his own party (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikNalQ8-M_o)

good message near the end to calm anxiety down a bit.
Some other commentators have made the same point, and that's a little reassuring. Still, the fact that Trump is beating Biden in all the key swing states (in that one poll) is alarming. The fact that a majority of Americans polled think Trump will do better handling the economy is alarming. I'm not the smartest guy in the room, but my goodness, how can so many people STILL be duped by the guy?

allegate

03-01-2024, 11:58 PM

M1ke

03-02-2024, 08:11 AM

Reading these stories and watching the news and scrolling reddit and everything makes it sound so fucking dire. I was thinking this must be what it's like to watch Fox News except, you know, it's actually happening and isn't a 'migrant caravan' storming the border or some other grade-A stupid. Honestly I'd rather it was that because this whistling past the graveyard that too many people are doing is going to be the end of a lot of things.

How much different is this though?

The internet isn't always indicative of the rest of the world, and profits on from keeping us clicking. One way to keep us clicking, is for the algorithms to keep feeding us information about impending doom that our brains want to pay attention to.

It's hard to know whether or not to believe these polls that show him beating Biden or not.

Is Trump a real threat to win, or is this just the algorithms keeping us engaged by showing us something terrifying? As you said, Fox news has played that game for years with stupid shit, I wouldn't put it past any of the tech companies to be doing the same to us.

The important part is to show up and vote, and to encourage others to do the same.

Anyone who was awake during his last term knows how bad Trump is, and anyone who thinks he could be a good president couldn't be convinced anymore, no matter how much evidence you can share with them.

For my own mental health, I'm reducing the amount of articles I read about him and about how the election is expected to go. I have no control at all over what the outcome will be, and reading is just making me anxious. Maybe for good reason, maybe not.

Jinsai

03-02-2024, 01:47 PM

Also, the NYT is polling Trump at 4 points ahead right now. I'd say "I don't get it," but I do. I expect that at this point, Trump supporters are as fully decided as I am to vote against him. NOTHING is going to change my mind, and I get it, that's probably how they feel too.

Still, fuck them.

Pillfred

03-03-2024, 02:19 PM

From my experience it is exactly how they feel.

Now my moms is gone and I’m not exposed to Fox all the time I don’t hear it much anymore that and I’ve moved. But I used to hear random comments at home about Biden etc and yeah best I can tell is both sides are pretty equal in how they view things and feel about their guy.

I’m very cynical when it comes to these types of things but even I can admit Biden is the better choice. I can’t honestly say I care at this point but that’s a fully me choice. That said I’ll be voting in a see of shit heads because despite myself if for not other reason than to trigger some Maga tool. I do however think king shit head has a pretty decent chance. Being hit close it was last time I’m not sure things will go the same way.

versusreality

03-03-2024, 03:31 PM

make it make sense: you can't enlist in the army if you have felonies, but you can be a presidential candidate.

GulDukat

03-04-2024, 10:27 AM

Supreme Court rules states can’t remove Trump from presidential election ballot (https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/04/supreme-court-rules-in-trump-colorado-ballot-case.html)

Unanimous

M1ke

03-04-2024, 10:52 AM

Supreme Court rules states can’t remove Trump from presidential election ballot (https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/04/supreme-court-rules-in-trump-colorado-ballot-case.html)

Unanimous

The unanimous part surprised me at first, until I read the reasoning.

As much as I don't want Trump to be on the ballot, a state court probably wasn't the right place to enforce this. It probably should have been a federal court making this ruling.

GulDukat

03-04-2024, 11:37 AM

The unanimous part surprised me at first, until I read the reasoning.

As much as I don't want Trump to be on the ballot, a state court probably wasn't the right place to enforce this. It probably should have been a federal court making this ruling.

If the Republicans in the Senate had done their job and voted guilty after his failed coup, Trump would now be ineligible. Thank you, Mitch.

GulDukat

03-04-2024, 12:02 PM

No Matter Race, Age or Gender, More Voters Say Trump’s Policies Helped Than Biden’s (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/04/us/politics/trump-biden-policies-help-hurt.html)

Jinsai

03-04-2024, 12:35 PM

No Matter Race, Age or Gender, More Voters Say Trump’s Policies Helped Than Biden’s (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/04/us/politics/trump-biden-policies-help-hurt.html)

Honestly, I know this sounds like I’m desperate for confirmation bias or something, but I’m becoming really dubious of the NYTimes. During the Trump presidency they obviously leaned left further than they generally used to, and they were all about pinning Trump for his insane bullshit…. But that was all salacious noise, and it generated clicks, and that’s what the papers want…

Now I think they want Trump back, for four more years of sensationalist insanity. The press makes money when there’s constant chaos… and now all NYT seems to be talking about is Biden’s age and how the polls are troubling… They even ran some weird headline that seemed to imply that it was a bad thing jobs were coming to America because it was killing job opportunities in an overseas market… and you’d think there’d be a caveat there but there wasn’t.

At least that’s what I’m hoping. I get that he’s invulnerable for some reason, but it can’t be that his legal woes and constant gaffes like mixing up Obama with Biden and then saying it’s some hilarious joke… there’s no way this can be helping him in the polls can it? He gets up in front of some Black Conservative group and basically says “hey black people! You like shoes don’t you? Black people love shoes, and they love me because they’re all accused of crimes. We have so much in common! My favorite color is black!”

How did that not hurt him? Not just with people of color, but everyone should have cringed so hard at that racist madness. Oh yeah, and he’s a fucking rapist. There’s that too… that little thing…

versusreality

03-04-2024, 03:56 PM

the press would LOVE a Trump dictatorship.

allegate

03-04-2024, 04:38 PM

heh, right up until they can't report from behind bars.

chuckrh

03-05-2024, 01:04 PM

I wrote in Elizabeth Warren on out state primary ballot. I really don't care for Biden/Harris except as a lesser of 2 evils vs Trump. I would've wrote in Bernie Saunders but he's just too old now. Good man though.

GulDukat

03-06-2024, 12:00 AM

Will Musk bankroll Trump? Billionaire holds meeting with ex-president as he considers whether to throw his $200b fortune behind efforts to remove Biden from White House (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13161915/Elon-Musk-meets-Donald-Trump-campaign-funding.html)

Reading this makes me sad, disgusted, and angry.

GulDukat

03-06-2024, 06:55 AM

Haley's out (https://www.npr.org/2024/03/06/1228580178/nikki-haley-drops-out-presidential-campaign-trump-biden)

Swykk

03-06-2024, 08:36 AM

I don’t give a single fuck about Super Tuesday or especially all the doom polling going on here.

We learned polls don’t matter in 2016 and 2020. They aren’t reliable.

GulDukat

03-06-2024, 09:29 AM

I am very concerned about this upcoming election. This paints a very grim picture.

Biden and the Democrats are sleepwalking into a potential Trump win (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/06/biden-trump-super-tuesday-prediction)

Biden led strongly with women in 2020 and is now evidently tied with Trump among them; Biden won an estimated 72% of minorities without college degrees last time around and now leads by a mere six points, 47-41%. And while making broad demographic pronouncements on the basis of one poll is unwise, these results are roughly in keeping with some other data.

The polls in 2016 showed a penetrable "blue wall," with Clinton's lead in the swing states pretty weak. The polls in 2020 were fairly accurate.

Biden could still win, but this is a coin toss at best.

Here is some good news from Allan Lichtman (https://www.the-sun.com/news/10526244/donald-trump-joe-biden-allan-lichtman-2024/).

allegate

03-06-2024, 10:44 AM

who's sleepwalking what now? I think what they mean is "uninformed voters" - whether they do it consciously or not - are the ones sleepwalking.

GulDukat

03-06-2024, 10:50 AM

who's sleepwalking what now? I think what they mean is "uninformed voters" - whether they do it consciously or not - are the ones sleepwalking.

Those and people who just don't bother to vote or waste it on Nader, West, etc.

wampa

03-06-2024, 10:59 AM

Biden vs. Trump 2: Electric Bugaloo

GulDukat

03-06-2024, 05:48 PM

Mitch McConnell endorses Donald Trump for president after years of frosty ties (https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/06/politics/mitch-mcconnell-endorses-trump/index.html)

And nearly four years ago he was saying:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-F1RQJETiQ

There’s no question — none — that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. No question about it. The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their president.

GulDukat

03-08-2024, 07:50 AM

Great SOTU speech.

Republican response? Wow.

allegate

03-08-2024, 10:07 AM

Nickelodeon’s State Of The Union Simulcast - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKVgVLFeV68)

allegate

03-08-2024, 11:31 AM

Sen. Katie Britt targets Biden's 'rage' in follow-up to SOTU rebuttal: 'Unbecoming' for a president

Britt told "Fox & Friends" that Biden's "rage was unbecoming" as critics accuse the president of delivering a highly partisan campaign speech on Capitol Hill.

what tf do you call the four years (and counting) of Trump? I swear if it weren't for double standards they wouldn't have any.

Jinsai

03-08-2024, 05:02 PM

So according to republicans, Biden was either dottering and incoherent, or full of rage and slipping in veiled threats to the Supreme Court.

GulDukat

03-09-2024, 12:52 AM

I feel better after Biden's terrific SOTU (and the terrible GOP response).

GulDukat

03-09-2024, 11:31 PM

I love SNL during a presidential election year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCfLpuLdF8Q

GulDukat

03-11-2024, 12:54 PM

Joe Biden Suddenly Leads Donald Trump in Multiple Polls (https://www.newsweek.com/presidential-election-latest-polls-biden-trump-1877928)

Swykk

03-11-2024, 02:20 PM

Dude, I know you’re super worried about this and I am too, but once again—Polls do not matter and haven’t since 2016. Steve Kornacki has done decently with his predictions and even he’s swung and missed at times.

allegate

03-11-2024, 03:35 PM

What Undecided Voters Look Like To Everyone Else (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHjbDSOmeiM)

M1ke

03-11-2024, 09:17 PM

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/11/politics/rnc-lays-off-dozens-of-staffers/index.html

GulDukat

03-12-2024, 07:54 AM

So Trump has purged the RNC of anyone who isn't "loyal," and has his daughter-in-law running things. And he's using donor money for his legal bills (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/31/trump-desantis-haley-campaign-fundraising/).

allegate

03-12-2024, 10:06 AM

I read that even though they were purged they can reapply for the positions but have a loyalty pledge in place now. Going to be wild if the Republican party actually implodes this year.

OTOH I have a feeling the rich bastards will prop them up if need be.

edit: I've been thinking about the Kimmel bit, it made me think of McCarthy's downfall that was preceded by just a simple statement of weariness. In front of a very large audience, one that very likely has people who have no idea what's going on with Trump (I know, there are some real ostriches out there) to hear that and wonder, "Jail?" and do some searching.

Jinsai

03-12-2024, 11:31 AM

edit: I've been thinking about the Kimmel bit, it made me think of McCarthy's downfall that was preceded by just a simple statement of weariness. In front of a very large audience, one that very likely has people who have no idea what's going on with Trump (I know, there are some real ostriches out there) to hear that and wonder, "Jail?" and do some searching.

When Trump was on SNL they did a skit joking about how childish and wearisome his tweeting was... I assume he didn't really get the joke. That was way back when we didn't think he had a chance at actually winning the election

M1ke

03-12-2024, 01:29 PM

OTOH I have a feeling the rich bastards will prop them up if need be.

I'm trying to think about that critically, will the Koch brothers do that at this point? Chaos is bad for business, and that's what Trump is to businesses now.

The muskrat might try, but I'm not sure how successful he'd be. Much of his business earnings are heavily leveraged, and it'd be harder to convince a board of directors to fund a political party that it would be to "invest" in a business.

Though foreign money is likely. Trump has repeatedly demonstrated he doesn't care about laws, and by the time anyone who's responsible for overseeing the campaign finance rules would step in, it'd probably be too late. I'd have to imagine that starting from when his niece took over, the books have started to be cooked anyways, so finding an actual paper trail may prove difficult.

GulDukat

03-16-2024, 05:13 PM

Pence says he ‘cannot in good conscience’ endorse Trump (https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/15/politics/pence-will-not-endorse-trump/index.html)

BRoswell

03-16-2024, 09:07 PM

Pence says he ‘cannot in good conscience’ endorse Trump (https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/15/politics/pence-will-not-endorse-trump/index.html)

Thanks, Mike. Where was that attitude when he was in office?

GulDukat

03-17-2024, 01:33 AM

It really is scary watching this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHJ9tTevmRM

Jinsai

03-17-2024, 11:15 PM

Now Elon Musk is weighing in. He criticized NBC for reporting what Trump actually said, and then shortly afterwards a “fact check” appeared on Twitter, correcting people that “Trump was talking about the Auto Industry”

If you watch the full clip, in full context, the comments sound like a tangent to anything he’s going on about w/ regards to the automotive industry, and he clearly says “bloodbath in this country”
It’s weird that Twitter (or X or whatever) would be jumping in to correct that as if it were a “fact”
There’s no point in splitting hairs further really, but he said what he said, and it’s not the first time he’s said stuff like that, warning of doom and bedlam if he doesn’t win.

Erneuert

03-18-2024, 03:22 AM

It really is scary watching this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHJ9tTevmRM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbA5p54Rw2M&pp=ygUWZ29yaWxsYXogc3RyYW5nZSB0aW1lcw%3D%3D (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bbA5p54Rw2M&pp=ygUWZ29yaWxsYXogc3RyYW5nZSB0aW1lcw%3D%3D)

allegate

03-26-2024, 04:04 PM

Democrats Fear RFK Jr.'s Running Mate Nicole Shanahan (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/democrats-fear-rfk-jr-s-running-mate-nicole-shanahan/ar-BB1kA5Ms)

https://images.gr-assets.com/hostedimages/1690988202ra/34546760.gif

GulDukat

03-27-2024, 12:31 AM

And now Trump is pimpin' Bibles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFhjhgf0vn0

According to the website, it's the only Bible officially endorsed by Trump, as he gets a profit. It can be yours for only $59.99.

Chris Hayes ran a good piece on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61_k03XOiVk

versusreality

03-27-2024, 03:46 PM

full circle to Stephen King's "Dead Zone" , where the main character starts off as a con man Bible salesman before becoming president.

richardp

03-27-2024, 04:16 PM

Jinsai

03-27-2024, 04:42 PM

Trump "endorsing" a singular version of the bible is so fucking funny to me.

"These are great! I have so many! I love this book! Its my favorite book!" motherfucker up there sounding like he's trying to squeeze through a book report for a book he didn't read.

I actually said this as a fucking joke… like “I wonder what lame grift he’ll come up with next… Trump bibles? He can say ‘hey, this is a patriotic Trumpy bible! It’s the King James Version, which is the best version, of course, MAGA bibles, because Christians are under attack and you’ll need a Trump bible to protect you from the godless liberals!’”

Trump: grand destroyer of satire

allegate

03-27-2024, 05:04 PM

I saw that it's apparently not just the bible but also the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the Pledge of Allegiance.

Oh and it's large print, good news for all the old people.

GulDukat

03-27-2024, 05:20 PM

I saw that it's apparently not just the bible but also the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the Pledge of Allegiance.

Oh and it's large print, good news for all the old people.

Hold on! That's not all:

This Bible also features a copy of:

Handwritten chorus to “God Bless The USA” by Lee Greenwood
The US Constitution
The Bill of Rights
The Declaration of Independence
The Pledge of Allegiance

Here is the website (https://godblesstheusabible.com/)

GulDukat

03-30-2024, 12:03 PM

Is Biden on track for defeat? The debate, explained. (https://www.vox.com/politics/2024/3/28/24112488/biden-polls-losing-trump-2024-comeback)

If we are reading the tea leaves, the special election in Alabama could tell us something. A House pickup for the Dems in Alabama is a good sign that the real "silent majority" doesn't want Trump or MAGA.

allegate

03-30-2024, 10:45 PM

do we have a 2028 thread yet?

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/trump-2028/
Trump 2028
The Twenty-second Amendment is an arbitrary restraint on presidents who serve nonconsecutive terms—and on democracy itself.

GulDukat

03-31-2024, 01:00 AM

do we have a 2028 thread yet?

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/trump-2028/

These "intellectual conservatives" are the worst.

Jinsai

03-31-2024, 10:25 AM

do we have a 2028 thread yet?

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/trump-2028/

Ugh goddamn it, what an article to start the day with.

I made it through about half of that and gave up before I got pissed. You know what anachronistic system is screwing things up lately, in a way that it really hasn’t in the past, and is not the 22nd amendment? The fucking electoral college. This guy… talking about how it’s unfair for MAGA people because they won’t get to elect Trump to a third goddamn term… all this talk about how Trump is proof of democracy and the will of the people (despite never winning the popular vote) is absolute partisan noise.

The problem is, if Trump does win in November, they’re absolutely going to push for this. It’ll get tied up in the courts, and they’ll hear it just like they’re hearing his presidential immunity plea. Then, after he wins in 2028 (despite losing the popular vote for the fourth time), they’ll talk about how, since we’ve already done away with the 22nd amendment, he should run again… and then he’ll win a fourth term despite losing the popular vote for the fifth time… and then he’ll live forever, and they’ll be dragging him around like Weekend at Bernies, because this whole thing is an insane nightmare that makes no sense, and it just never ends.

versusreality

03-31-2024, 11:10 AM

These "intellectual conservatives" are the worst.
I read it as a sarcastic comedy piece, but then realized afterwards the dude was serious. there are tons of idiots that would want Trump in for the rest of his life, and even after he passes, they'll wheel out his dead body and praise him and think he's running a country.

he's up there with Jim Jones as an American cult leader. now, selling bibles.
if only he'd take all of MAGA to a remote jungle somewhere...
(I am not saying I want the Jim Jones ending for all of them. just...get the fuck out of here)

allegate

04-01-2024, 09:04 AM

Ugh goddamn it, what an article to start the day with.

I made it through about half of that and gave up before I got pissed. You know what anachronistic system is screwing things up lately, in a way that it really hasn’t in the past, and is not the 22nd amendment? The fucking electoral college. This guy… talking about how it’s unfair for MAGA people because they won’t get to elect Trump to a third goddamn term… all this talk about how Trump is proof of democracy and the will of the people (despite never winning the popular vote) is absolute partisan noise.

The problem is, if Trump does win in November, they’re absolutely going to push for this. It’ll get tied up in the courts, and they’ll hear it just like they’re hearing his presidential immunity plea. Then, after he wins in 2028 (despite losing the popular vote for the fourth time), they’ll talk about how, since we’ve already done away with the 22nd amendment, he should run again… and then he’ll win a fourth term despite losing the popular vote for the fifth time… and then he’ll live forever, and they’ll be dragging him around like Weekend at Bernies, because this whole thing is an insane nightmare that makes no sense, and it just never ends.
The part of this thought piece that gets me is that the amendment was suggested - and passed! - by the Republicans.
In the midterm elections 18 months later, Republicans took control of the House and the Senate. As many of them had campaigned on the issue of presidential tenure, declaring their support for a constitutional amendment that would limit how long a person could serve as president, the issue was given priority in the 80th Congress when it convened in January 1947.But as we all now know they have no need for precedence. or decorum, but I get ahead of myself.

GulDukat

04-06-2024, 07:22 AM

This is great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8x-AJqs6Ms

GulDukat

04-07-2024, 03:41 AM

'Trump is threatening violence on Americans': Internet pounces on ex-president's new video (https://www.rawstory.com/trump-threatening-violence-virtues-video/)

I watched the video and found it very disturbing.

(https://www.rawstory.com/trump-threatening-violence-virtues-video/)

elevenism

04-07-2024, 12:05 PM

As far as 2028, i keep trying to tell y'all about the fucking Project 2025 thing, which, again, "would perform a swift restructuring of the executive branch under a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_executive_theory) — a theory proposing the president of the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States) has absolute power over the executive branch — upon inauguration (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_inauguration)."
It also involves immediately invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807- i mean, for REAL: these fuckers aim to, quite literally, end the US government, and the US, as we know it.
That shit from wikipedia is just the tip of the iceberg.
Read some of their 900 page manifesto, or their 180 day plan. I did. It's fuuuuuuuuuuuuucked up.
Trump, in this case, seems to be the useful idiot to accomplish the goals of theocrats and authoritarian lunatics.

BY THE WAY, internet pornography is currently PRETTY much banned in Texas, even through fucking TORRENTING.
Don't sleep on this shit. These people CAN and WILL do these things.

also, HEY!
did you guys catch the Bible loving christian's Easter message, which is, you know, the HOLIEST FUCKING DAY OF THE YEAR in Christianity?

if not, here it is! (except it was in all caps. Imgr is down and i am NOT retyping this fucking insanity).

“Happy Easter to all, including crooked and corrupt prosecutors and judges that are doing everything possible to interfere with the presidential election of 2024, and put me in prison, including those many people that I completely & totally despise because they want to destroy America, a now failing nation, like “deranged” Jack Smith, who is evil and ‘sick,’ Mrs. Fani ‘Fauni’ Wade who said she hardly knew the ‘special’ prosecutor, only to find that he spent years ‘loving’ her, long before the Georgia persecution of President Trump began (and thereby making the case against me null, void, and illegal!), and lazy on violent crime Alvin Bragg who, with Crooked Joe’s DOJ thugs, unfairly working in the D.A.’s office, illegally indicted me on a case he never wanted to bring and virtually all legal scholars say is a case that should not be brought, is breaking the law in doing so (POMERANTZ!) was turned down by all other law enforcement authorities, and is not a crime. Happy Easter everyone!”

So first off, are y'all familiar with the rant of Francis E Dec? You know, "CIA GANGSTER POLICE ZOMBIE FRANKENStiEN MIND CONTROL TELEVISION THERE IS NOOOOOO ESCAPE" and all that? If not, look it up.
It's THE single most unhinged, batshit crazy thing i've ever seen. And THIS reminds me of it.

Secondly, as a (VERY moderate) Christian, this shit...and the bibles...i just...i mean,
FUCK. I don't have words. I just don't.
This is one of the most fucking disgusting, offensive things i've ever seen in my LIFE.

I don't believe in the "rapture," or the "antichrist."

But if The Apocalypse of John IS literal, and i'm wrong, well...yeah.
This fucker may well be the literal antichrist.

GulDukat

04-14-2024, 11:42 PM

Gettysburg. Wow. I go to Gettysburg, Pennsylvania to look and to watch. And the statement of Robert E. Lee ― who’s no longer in favor, did you ever notice that? No longer in favor ― ‘Never fight uphill, me boys, never fight uphill.’ They were fighting uphill. He said, ‘Wow, that was a big mistake.’ He lost his great general, and they were fighting. ‘Never fight uphill, me boys!’ But it was too late. (https://www.yahoo.com/news/dimbulb-trump-torched-rambling-attempt-042438659.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMr9UKDWRhjUFgIaWnsi_RbV2RsG U6CVtNLoWaqtoVjhqeDE5MdNInSceQCTzshzxsXyFl7hFVcbE1 wmShc_oyLRMW6x3x8-kxs9M2cuYUogSucogHb2GfvagaJsYkz0KGD0pxq5m1mn7GS6rZ 0CNe5nc9RLiFdywHWYtR8Ph-f5)

BRoswell

04-15-2024, 05:36 PM

GulDukat

04-16-2024, 11:37 PM

elevenism

04-17-2024, 01:02 PM

Trump has an edge over Biden on economy, Reuters/Ipsos poll finds (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-has-an-edge-over-biden-economy-reutersipsos-poll-finds-2024-04-16/)

WTF is wrong with people?
I mean, if we're being honest, the economy got fucked off under trump, and, CONTINUED its downward spiral under biden.

In my mind. there are clearly two economies: there's the "look at the unemployment rate! Holy fuck! Look at the Dow and the Nazflack and such. Everything is GREAT! Fuck yeah!"

And, THEN, there's he part where, of COURSE unemployment is low, because it takes 2.5 jobs to raise a traditional family. And, btw, how come we're having trouble feeding our families? Why must we choose. between food and medicine?
This is the REAL.economy, wherein 9% mortgage rates are on the rise , Americans hold more credit.card debt than at any time in us history, and we've already PASSED the woes of the Great Recession, with no sign of any light at the end of the proverbial tunnel.

Biden won't fix it. Trump can't, either.

We place WAY too much emphasis on presidential power wrt economic issues,, as, there are just SO many moving parts:domestically and globally. One man isn't responsible for all of it, nor does he have much power to CHANGE it.

Also, a lot of his shit moves SLOW..."Trump's economy" was good, due to policies enacted by OBAMA. Biden is having trouble due to policies enacted by TRUMP...many of which, he continued but that is another post altogether.

allegate

04-24-2024, 10:41 AM

Donald Trump 789,046 82.8%
Nikki Haley 156,568 16.4%

Joseph Biden 926,633 88.2%

Joe wins regardless because this was a closed primary so only Republicans could vote for Trump and Democrats could only vote for Biden. Over 137,000 more people voted for Biden, never mind the 156k who voted for someone who dropped out quite awhile ago. I have a feeling the 156k aren't "protest" votes either.

GulDukat

04-27-2024, 11:11 AM

Donald Trump Leads Joe Biden in Every Battleground State: Polling Averages (https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-leads-joe-biden-every-battleground-state-polling-averages-1894852)

Most of these polls are within the margin of error, but still...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6Z5N0Z6zH0

Jinsai

04-27-2024, 12:18 PM

I’ve stopped keeping up with the polls. It’s discouraging and it just stresses me out, and I don’t need it.

I’ll vote, but my vote doesn’t matter, because I don’t live in Pennsylvania or Michigan. The electoral college system is broken. I hate to say it, but I think Trump is going to win, and it’s going to suck. I expect that he’ll lose the popular vote for the third time in a row, but that won’t matter.

GulDukat

04-27-2024, 12:32 PM

Baphomette

04-27-2024, 09:28 PM

it’s going to suck.That's an understatement. Having read Project 2025 and Agenda 47, the impact another Trump presidency will have on PoC communities, women and the LGBTQ community is catastrophic. There's a huge push by GenZs to either not vote or to vote third party. It's fucking insane. Latinos aren't helping right now, either. A large chunk of them have joined the cult of MAGA because of the machismo that's ingrained in the culture. Like speaks to like.

GulDukat

04-27-2024, 11:27 PM

From tonight's correspondents dinner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBtXUXknvtE

allegate

04-29-2024, 11:15 AM

That's an understatement. Having read Project 2025 and Agenda 47, the impact another Trump presidency will have on PoC communities, women and the LGBTQ community is catastrophic. There's a huge push by GenZs to either not vote or to vote third party. It's fucking insane. Latinos aren't helping right now, either. A large chunk of them have joined the cult of MAGA because of the machismo that's ingrained in the culture. Like speaks to like.
I've lost track of what gen is the one doing the most blowhard bull shit on any given day. That any of them can look at the last couple decades and still think "nothing bad will happen to me" is so annoying. Is Biden perfect? most emphatically no but compared to Trump and what he will bring to the fore? How is that even a choice?

I understand if you're under the sway of the sunk-cost of Trump but everyone else is a complete fool. I was watching the video for "Under Pressure" and it has all these scenes of food lines and people out of work and that's us right now. The only thing keeping it from looking that bad now is the sheer amount of debt people are riding. It won't help anyone if the Project 2025 people get their way.

Which, about that (https://inthesetimes.com/article/project-2025-protego-trump-huber-abortion).

Baphomette

04-30-2024, 12:02 AM

That any of them can look at the last couple decades and still think "nothing bad will happen to me" is so annoying.The majority of people saying that are white. They'll be the last group affected. I've also been seeing a lot of, "We survived Trump before. You'll get through this." which has to be the most entitled shit I've read in awhile. Most of the idiots posting that crap were 11 or 12 when he was elected. What the fuck do they know about his presidency since they were still living with their parents and not having to worry about anything? I lost a cousin in one of those heinous immigrant internment camps and we still don't know where they buried him. I've gotten to the point where I just want to punch the whole word in the fucking face, to quote Eminem.

Aladdinsanity

04-30-2024, 01:24 AM

Believe it or not, this is one of the more tame images of the endless slaughter and tragedy that has been taking place for the last seven months in Gaza. Our tax dollars are funding this.

https://twitter.com/qudsnen/status/1784889256273473658?s=46
The only thing that seems to spark Biden’s sentience into political action is the erection he gains at the sight of dead Palestinian women and children. His administration circumvents Congress regardless of votes to fund this — all the while allowing our civil rights to be eroded under a Democratic majority no differently than if Bush or Trump were still in power.

If we’re making moral appeals to vote for a dementia-riddled ghoul who takes glee in facilitating genocide, we’ve already lost. You can’t blame the voters when an endorsement will only be read as a stamp of approval for the death of even more innocents.

Immoral.