January 6th Committee Hearings

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/jnelsonrn/status/1535086704586936320 (https://twitter.com/jnelsonrn/status/1535086704586936320?s=21&t=Cxo8hXo4WrjpTrF88fs3TA)

Let's hope this is just a jape and not the future.

As to the opening of that video...I'd have to say that the committee has a narrative in place and now it's just to get key players on the record.

[poinoup]

That's still scary shit. We claim we're at the top of the food chain, but that shows otherwise.

And all of that for that failed orange dude.


https://youtu.be/eQ8_X3FFxRU

[Cookster426]

If nothing happens to Trump for this attempted coup then we might as well not have a criminal justice system in America. We might as well live in anarchy and do whatever the hell we want.

[richardp]

The documentary guy giving testimony looked like Atticus. Kept expecting to see Trent sitting stone faced behind him.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1535364116742914053

Once a Cheney always a Cheney eh.

[allegro]

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1535364116742914053

Once a Cheney always a Cheney eh.

I suspect that the J6 Committee is at least somewhat apprised of what the DOJ is doing, and doesn’t have intentions of going after every suspect in J6.

The J6’s main focus is Trump, his cabinet, and any member of Congress.

The J6 Committee is largely symbolic. There’s not a whole hell of a lot of teeth, there, other than gathering evidence to show the public. And possibly strip people of the ability to hold office, later.

The DOJ, however, is a different story; that’s a criminal investigation.

There, of course, will be some overlaps. J6 showed videos last night of Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, who have already been arrested and charged by the Federal government (not by Congress). But their motive was to help Trump; they claim they were invited by Trump, by his statements.

So all roads lead back to Trump. He ultimately leads the seditious conspiracy.

HE STILL IS.

Even Ginny Thomas is doing this because of Trump. That’s not a legal excuse, of course.

But if the email lady had won in 2016, none of this would have happened.

[allegate]

One of my coworkers is a huge Trump guy and was on leave for the 5th, 6th, and 7th of January. His leave was submitted 12/21/2020. We've wondered if he was involved but have nothing more than huge coincidences.

[otnavuskire]

One of my coworkers is a huge Trump guy and was on leave for the 5th, 6th, and 7th of January. His leave was submitted 12/21/2020. We've wondered if he was involved but have nothing more than huge coincidences.

The FBI has a page full of images of people they're still seeking to identify. If you google for "capitol violence images" it'll bring it up.

[allegate]

Huh.

House Republicans meet with Trump to discuss overturning election results (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/21/trump-house-overturn-election-449787)
Trump loyalists are planning a last stand Jan. 6.

By MELANIE ZANONA

12/21/2020 10:10 PM EST

edit: just finished going through the pictures there and nothing stands out. oh well. He moved to Florida because he loves DeSantis so I don't have to deal with him anymore so that's a plus.

[Wretchedest]

Today we heard testimony about a former president *physically assaulting* a secret service officer, and needing to be restrained by his own secret service team, and that element of the story hasn't even kept our attention, that's where things are at.

[Wretchedest]

I'm not a "we can't walk and chew gum" kind of guy so I generally hate it when people call things distracted, but as far as the guy causing a shit show on a limo, it just seems like it was a lower item on the agenda in the media I listen to amon a whirlwind of other information and other issues

[allegro]

I'm not a "we can't walk and chew gum" kind of guy so I generally hate it when people call things distracted, but as far as the guy causing a shit show on a limo, it just seems like it was a lower item on the agenda in the media I listen to amon a whirlwind of other information and other issues

Today was a BOMBSHELL day of testimony.

That one aspect was really fucking weird and shows that:

1) Trump is a kook
2) Trump fully intended to lead the insurrection, IN PERSON

But there was SO MUCH OTHER smoking gun testimony, that was actually the least important.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1541958552532795393

tangentially related at best.

[Jinsai]

https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1541958552532795393

tangentially related at best.

In some twisted Black Mirror-style "ironic punishment department," Trump spends an eternity smashing dishes while "Memory" from Cats plays as a deafening soundtrack to a video of Barack Obama leaving the office with grace and humility, with perhaps a glimmer of smug satisfaction on his face.

[ickyvicky]

Never would've thought he was a cat person.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/petersagal/status/1542202929867882496

wow, I did not know the part about how they tried to abduct Pence the day of.

[otnavuskire]

wow, I did not know the part about how they tried to abduct Pence the day of.

They literally erected a gallows to hang him outside the capitol.

[allegate]

that was the crowd, the 'they' in regards to the video was the secret service detail.

[otnavuskire]

that was the crowd, the 'they' in regards to the video was the secret service detail.

Ah, I must admit I did not watch the video.

[hellospaceboy]

https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1541958552532795393

I hope this mysterious "Music Man" tried this at least once:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpc5_3B5xdk

[allegate]

Turns out Music Man has a name (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Miller_(Ohio_politician)). and he's running for congress (https://www.votemaxmiller.com/). and winning because he's endorsed by Trump (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/26/trump-endorses-max-miller-471789).

At least, he was endorsed by Trump.

GOP congressional hopeful Max Miller, in testimony to Jan. 6 committee, says Donald Trump wanted to go to Capitol with rally-goers (https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/06/gop-congressional-hopeful-max-miller-in-testimony-to-jan-6-committee-says-donald-trump-wanted-to-go-to-capitol-with-rallygoers.html)

That may change.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/1546940714289864705

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1546947284063117316

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1546940641745199104

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1546933776621641729

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1546932600433958913

guys and gals, this is it. we got 'em.

/s because of course DOJ will just say "well we can't prosecute a former president because of this weird memo that someone wrote one time"

[cdm]

fuckin bonkers shit.

[allegro]

Wtf.

Now we have proof that Trump is tampering with witnesses, himself.

He tried contacting a witness whom we haven’t heard yet, that witness didn’t respond and contacted their lawyer and the lawyer contacted the Committee.

The Committee referred the matter to the Department of Justice:

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/07/12/jan-6-committee-notifies-doj-that-trump-tried-tampering-with-one-of-its-witnesses-cheney-says.html

[allegro]

/s because of course DOJ will just say "well we can't prosecute a former president because of this weird memo that someone wrote one time"

1) That memo is about a SITTING PRESIDENT.

2) Trump can be prosecuted for crimes and it doesn’t matter.

That isn’t the total point, here.

The point is if he violated the 14th Amendment.

Which would prevent him from running in 2024. Or ever again.




14th Amendment, Section 3

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

[M1ke]

1) That memo is about a SITTING PRESIDENT.

2) Trump can be prosecuted for crimes and it doesn’t matter.

That isn’t the total point, here.

The point is if he violated the 14th Amendment.

Which would prevent him from running in 2024. Or ever again.

I want to believe you, but I'm not going to until I see it with my own eyes.

[Wretchedest]

Yeah I wish I had that kind of optimism. I wish I still felt like things like that mattered, but they don't. He will run anyway. Even if the whole government magically decides he isn't allowed, he will still run a campaign, and people will still vote for him.

[allegro]

I want to believe you, but I'm not going to until I see it with my own eyes.

I said that’s the GOAL.

I wanted to make clear that the Select Committee does not have ANY authority to charge Trump (or anyone) with any crimes.

[versusreality]

Not only will Trump run in 2024, but he will most likely win. Or DeSantis, who is just as bad if not worse.

It's at the point where I kinda just hope he and some Supreme Court justices pass over the next 2 years.

[allegro]

I wish we could manage to keep this thread on topic (the hearings of this Committee) for even one fucking page.

[the duder]

I wish we could manage to keep this thread on topic (the hearings of this Committee) for even one fucking page.Yesterday was surreal to watch. The entire account of the December meeting with Powell sounded like a first degree dumpster fire, Rudy not knowing the names of the rooms in the white house but testifying that it felt "pretty cool" to sit alone in the Roosevelt room (iirc) further verified that the guy is a clown.

Hearing Pascale's remorse about 1/6 was surprising, and Cippoloni's recommendation that Pence be awarded the presidential medal of freedom is sure to further enrage 45.

Oh, and the witness tampering allegation was crazy.

[Wretchedest]

Not only will Trump run in 2024, but he will most likely win. Or DeSantis, who is just as bad if not worse.

It's at the point where I kinda just hope he and some Supreme Court justices pass over the next 2 years.


At the very least one will be eviscerated by the other
Trump will almost certainly get the nom but he will turn all his people against deSantis in process. If DeSantis gets the nom that's a better case scenario, he doesn't have the charisma or personality or the cult following of trump, he can't win.

[allegro]

Yesterday was surreal to watch. The entire account of the December meeting with Powell sounded like a first degree dumpster fire, Rudy not knowing the names of the rooms in the white house but testifying that it felt "pretty cool" to sit alone in the Roosevelt room (iirc) further verified that the guy is a clown.

Hearing Pascale's remorse about 1/6 was surprising, and Cippoloni's recommendation that Pence be awarded the presidential medal of freedom is sure to further enrage 45.

Oh, and the witness tampering allegation was crazy.

And Sydney Powell is more nuts than I ever imagined.

The December meeting log including Marjorie Taylor Greene? She wasn’t SWORN INTO OFFICE until JANUARY 3RD!!

And why was the Overstock guy there? Cippoloni: “Who are you?”

Who was the person Trump contacted before their Committee hearing?

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/12/1111037932/unhinged-west-wing-meeting-jan-6


Former White House lawyer Eric Herschmann said the outside group suggested that Venezuela had meddled with the election and that Nest brand thermostats hooked up to the internet were changing votes.

[allegro]

According to the White House log, here are the members of Congress who were in attendance at the December 21st meeting (per yesterday's J6 Hearing):

Rep. Brian Babin (R-Texas)
Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.)
Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.)
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas)
Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.)
Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.)
Rep. Jody Hice (R-Ga.)
Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio)
Rep. Scott Perry (R-Pa.)
Now-Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) (wasn't sworn in until 1/2/20)

Trump awarded Rep. Jim Jordan the Presidential Medal of Freedom (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-rewards-gop-ally-rep-jim-jordan-with-medal-of-freedom) before he [Trump] was evicted from the White House.

[allegate]

One of my coworkers is a huge Trump guy and was on leave for the 5th, 6th, and 7th of January. His leave was submitted 12/21/2020. We've wondered if he was involved but have nothing more than huge coincidences.
yeah I may have visited the fbi tips page yesterday.

[cdm]

yeah I may have visited the fbi tips page yesterday.

o.O

Did you just run your finger across the fender or did you drive it off the lot?

[allegro]

Breaking development: The witness Trump attempted to contact prior to their testimony is a White House support staffer.

[the duder]

According to the White House log, here are the members of Congress who were in attendance at the December 21st meeting (per yesterday's J6 Hearing):

Rep. Brian Babin (R-Texas)
Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.)
Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.)
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas)
Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.)
Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.)
Rep. Jody Hice (R-Ga.)
Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio)
Rep. Scott Perry (R-Pa.)
Now-Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) (wasn't sworn in until 1/2/20)

Trump awarded Rep. Jim Jordan the Presidential Medal of Freedom (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-rewards-gop-ally-rep-jim-jordan-with-medal-of-freedom) before he [Trump] was evicted from the White House.There has to be a mechanism to dismiss these seditionists, and prevent them from ever running for office again....right?

[allegate]

yeah.

The point is if he violated the 14th Amendment.

Which would prevent him from running in 2024. Or ever again.

14th Amendment, Section 3

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

[allegro]

https://twitter.com/muellershewrote/status/1547278021140156416?s=21&t=WV7Q_taxEAkCut2_uVWxYQ

[cdm]

1547350787487109121

Not sure what to make of this but I hope a second set of hearings brings receipts to expose the actions of sitting members of Congress.

Everyone is getting all excited about this attempted witness tampering but I have a feeling DOJ will let him skate on this too. Unless they have ironclad proof as to the motivation for the call, such as corroborating text messages, voicemails, emails. But if it's just a missed call...there's too much reasonable doubt there for them to prosecute.

[Swykk]

I say again, this is good for people who didn’t already know or strongly suspect to find out, but I have no reason to believe this will bring Trump down because plenty of other shit should have and didn’t.

My response to these sessions each time they happen is the same—FUCKING DO SOMETHING, MERRICK.

[Jinsai]

It's just obscene. We all suspected/knew he was involved in some capacity with the insurrection, we knew he didn't do enough to stop it as it got out of control, but the degree to which he was forewarned and perhaps even involved in the orchestration... Now we have Bannon outlining how Trump is going to try to claim early victory on election night, because he KNEW that the mail-in ballots would lean democratic and would be counted later.

We all knew that him calling early was desperate and that he was trying to claim victory while he was ahead, and we knew he knew about how the mail-in ballots would lean... but to hear that they sat around and planned to do this as a strategic move to cast uncertainty on the outcome of the election? That's fucking nuts considering the ensuing coup attempt.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/muellershewrote/status/1547278021140156416
https://twitter.com/texasvoter817/status/1547278442911121410

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9e/ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmC%2BC.jpg/220px-ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmC%2BC.jpg

[allegro]

People are pissed at Merrick Garland, but he’s not known to be a quick prosecutor driven by politics. He’s methodical and thorough, because charges must stick. Doing something for the sake of satisfaction of the public would be a circus that would not end well.

I’m more satisfied by the hearings, themselves, and the evidence they’re bringing forth. Trump is the shit gift that keeps on giving. Trump managed to not only lose the Presidential race last time; he also lost the House and Senate for Republicans. And I’m hoping the midterms will be just as big of a loss for him.

[allegro]

https://twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/1547207980223012865?s=21&t=IzjeAS6qdWx2px92NDJXrw

No, not “insane” … their leader directs them. That’s part of their ongoing coup attempt.


https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/cassidy-hutchinson-hearing/tnamp/

[allegate]

People are pissed at Merrick Garland, but he’s not known to be a quick prosecutor driven by politics. He’s methodical and thorough, because charges must stick. Doing something for the sake of satisfaction of the public would be a circus that would not end well.

I’m more satisfied by the hearings, themselves, and the evidence they’re bringing forth. Trump is the shit gift that keeps on giving. Trump managed to not only lose the Presidential race last time; he also lost the House and Senate for Republicans. And I’m hoping the midterms will be just as big of a loss for him.
I hate that there are so many shit heels running for office right now. sure it's easy to have the money for these campaigns when you have assholes donating left and right (mostly right ba-dum-tish) but it's making politics look like a complete loss for the foreseeable future.

https://twitter.com/BarbMcQuade/status/1547226459038797824

an interesting thought experiment/thread.

[Swykk]

@allegro (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76) Slow and methodical is okay but he has been given plenty to work with here and can’t seem to be bothered by any of it. At this point, I’m leaning toward “too political (fears damage to his reputation and job) and spineless.”

Why are MJT, Gosar, Cruz, Gaetz, Jordan, Hawley, etc still free to go about their jobs like they didn’t help carry this out? Why are Alex Jones and Roger Stone free men? We know they assisted/plotted as well.

Why is AOC serving as a better AG than bored, don’t-wanna-rock-the-boat Garland?

DO SOMETHING, MERRICK.

[allegate]

to be fair to him he doesn't have to take any overt actions because everything is getting out there.

[allegro]

@allegro (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76) Slow and methodical is okay but he has been given plenty to work with here and can’t seem to be bothered by any of it. At this point, I’m leaning toward “too political (fears damage to his reputation and job) and spineless.”

Why are MJT, Gosar, Cruz, Gaetz, Jordan, Hawley, etc still free to go about their jobs like they didn’t help carry this out? Why are Alex Jones and Roger Stone free men? We know they assisted/plotted as well.

Why is AOC serving as a better AG than bored, don’t-wanna-rock-the-boat Garland?

DO SOMETHING, MERRICK.

Any prosecutor requires actual evidence. Not "they were in a meeting" evidence that doesn't actually mean anything other than "they were in a meeting."

"Why are MJT, Gosar, Cruz, Gaetz, Jordan, Hawley, etc still free to go about their jobs like they didn’t help carry this out? Why are Alex Jones and Roger Stone free men? We know they assisted/plotted as well."

So far, there is no absolute clear smoking gun evidence that would hold up in a court of law. There's the 1st Amendment. At most, at this point, there's maybe incitement of violence for Jones and Stone. But, a coup? Insurrection? That has to be in accordance with the actual statutes. And a Federal prosecutor has to prove their case with evidence.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385

What is desired is to tie Trump to all of it, and to have all of these minor players as the collateral damage.

The definition contained in the law, itself, hamstrings going after these people. Sure, it all looks good in a Congressional Committee hearing where there ARE NO Rules of Evidence. But, start throwing in actual LAWS that dictate evidence rules, and this won't get past the first day of court.

No judge would even allow that kind of evidence under the Rules of Evidence. There must be clear, quantifiable evidence. Like phone records, texts, several sworn witness statements that matches up with physical evidence, etc. etc. Hearsay and the supposition of "guilt" isn't evidence. "They must have done 'it'" (what is "it?" what Federal law was broken? is there case law that clearly states that they did, or even perhaps not per their defense? what evidence is required to prove that they did?) isn't evidence under the Federal Rules. The Democrats will be the laughing stock if Garland brings charges at this point and it all gets thrown out. (Because it will.)

Nothing like this has ever happened in the history of this country. Ever. It's a Constitutional crisis. The case against Trump in Georgia is actually a better case that is less problematic, because it isn't a case that creates a Constitutional crisis. It's a free state going after a former (not sitting) President.

AOC majored in economics and international relations. She's good at whipping up a fervor, but she has to be careful to not whip up cynicism, because it could absolutely backfire for the midterms. Democrats are experts at taking their toys and going home to pout, while the Republicans win all the prizes. It's happened TONS of times in history; we've HANDED Republicans their victories.

People need to get out and vote all these pricks out of office. Criminal proceedings isn't the answer; voting is. The wheels of justice are slow for a reason, otherwise we'd be Russia.

The only way that the Republicans have managed to stay in power this long is: (1) they stick together and vote together, all the time, and (2) they cheat; but, they don't know disillusionment and cynicism toward their own party enough to not vote or to switch parties; they'd rather die.

The hearings are, methodically, laying out a case that:

* people showed up that day on January 6th because the President told them to do it

* those people's intentions were to "stop the steal" by literally STEALING the certified electoral ballots and by interrupting the proceedings and sending the votes back to the states and changing the election

* the President fully intended to show up at the Capitol, himself, to assist in this plan

* there was a plan for the President to declare the "Insurrection Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807)" so that he could use the Military to beat down any opposition

Plus more stuff all the time, as more people jump the Trump Ship.

[Swykk]

Yes, I’m aware the target is Trump (as it should be). There’s been plenty of evidence showing he did this and especially did nothing to stop it. I don’t see how that’s any kind of constitutional crisis. He attempted a coup.

We (DOJ, Garland) should him accountable or just say fascism is fine.

For fuck’s sake, one of those stupid twats (I forget if it was Boebert or MTG) did a tour where she showed these racist militia wanna be assholes where to fucking go.

This isn’t difficult or at least it shouldn’t be.

[allegro]

I don’t see how that’s any kind of constitutional crisis. He attempted a coup.

The attempted coup WAS the Constitutional crisis.

We almost lost our country that day. Entirely. Arresting Trump will undoubtedly cause what people fear is a violent revolution or another coup; Trump knew and knows this; he's still leading his followers, now, he doesn't care if he causes violence.

I can't stress it enough that the evidence is lining up and you have no evidence that Garland or the Department of Justice ISN'T doing its job right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxexsOHv5aI

Here's a list of what has been done so far: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

See also: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/16/tensions-escalate-as-doj-renews-request-for-jan-6-panel-transcripts-00040267


In a related development, prosecutors agreed Thursday to delay a scheduled August trial of the leadership of the Proud Boys, a pro-Trump militia group. Justice Department lawyers reiterated that they expect the House panel to make the witness interview transcripts public in early September, which could roil a trial if it is underway.

Five Proud Boy leaders are set to go before a jury on seditious conspiracy charges for their activities on Jan. 6. The proposed trial delay to December — backed by some defendants — would require the approval of the federal judge handling the case.

In addition to the transcript dispute, prosecutors are facing increasing complaints from defense attorneys that the Jan. 6 panel’s releasing selected details of its investigation — including in currently ongoing public hearings — is unfair to their clients. They are demanding access to all the records and have expressed concerns that they might all be abruptly made public right in the middle of a Proud Boys trial.

Indeed, the letter about the rift between the panel and the Justice Department emerged publicly Thursday after prosecutors filed it in the Proud Boys case.

[allegro]

Re MTG or Boebert "did a tour where she showed these racist militia wanna be assholes where to fucking go"

There's rumors of that, but no substantiated proof, otherwise the Capitol Police and Congress would have already referred charges to the DC Department of Justice. There are security cameras all over the Capitol, inside and out.

The problem (as AOC and others have asserted) is that there may have been some inside job elements to January 6th, meaning some Capitol Police. Rep. Ayanna Pressley still asserts that her panic button had been ripped out of her office.

So, any evidence implicating MTG or LB would be non-existent.

This was planned for months in advance. These people covered their tracks, to try to be sure that there was insufficient evidence.

No, the DoJ isn't being transparent, even though the Public loves knowing every single thing that's going on; the DoJ doesn't have to be transparent, its policy is that they NOT be transparent during ongoing investigations (to not hinder the investigation).

Look at all the shit that was already recovered from fucking Mar-a-Lago that Trump STOLE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE! He had boxes and boxes of documents loaded into crates, ILLEGALLY, and put into trucks and carted down to Mar-a-Lago, and it's reported that ALL OF IT is CONFIDENTIAL.

Had the DoJ been constantly transparent about what it's doing, Trump would have thrown all that shit into the fireplace last year.

Had the DoJ been constantly transparent about what it's doing, Jeffrey Clark would have tossed all of his documents and electronics into the Potomac.

[allegro]

Breaking from the Washington Post:


A government watchdog accused the U.S. Secret Service of erasing texts from Jan. 5 and 6, 2021, after his office requested them as part of an inquiry into the U.S. Capitol attack, according to a letter sent to lawmakers this week.
Joseph V. Cuffari, head of the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Inspector General, wrote to the leaders of the House and Senate Homeland Security committees indicating that the text messages have vanished and that efforts to investigate the Jan. 6, 2021, attack were being hindered.
“

The Department notified us that many U.S. Secret Service (USSS) text messages, from January 5 and 6, 2021 were erased as part of a device-replacement program,” he wrote in a letter dated Wednesday and obtained by The Washington Post. The letter was earlier reported on by CNN.

[Jinsai]

we're going to need people in tech/security to tell us what this really potentially entails

[Swykk]

Perhaps I’m not being clear enough—we have laws prohibiting treason, yes? This is why it should not be any kind of constitutional crisis. We have prosecuted (and executed) traitors in this country before.

Put Trump in prison, start that process soon, or we will really lose the country maybe as soon as November.

[M1ke]

Laws don't matter when you're an old white dude in power. You can do whatever you want, as long as you scream deflections the whole time.

I'd love to be proven wrong here, but they're all going to walk, because they're white and they're in power.

[allegro]

Laws don't matter when you're an old white dude in power. You can do whatever you want, as long as you scream deflections the whole time.

I'd love to be proven wrong here, but they're all going to walk, because they're white and they're in power.

That’s the problem, yes.

Trump came pretty damned close to becoming dictator Trump on January 6th.

While I have generally had disdain for VP Mike Pence, the J6 Hearings and evidence shows that he didn’t trust Secret Service, refused to get into the car after the Senate chamber was evacuated. Pence wanted to return to the House to finish the job, he allegedly feared that the Secret Service would move him to an unknown location snd would NOT return him, hence the process would be stopped, completely.

Which would have meant Game Over, Trump could step in, institute the Insurrection Clause, etc.

Had Black Lives Matter tried any of this shit, they’d already be in jail.

What’s the constant refrain of January 6th participants?

“What about Black Life Matters rioters? What about ANTIFA?”

Swykk - “Traitors” means “treason” and no we have hardly ever convicted traitors. We have never once executed someone for treason in this country. Treason requires us to be involved in a war. An actual declared war with a foreign country.

In Article III, Section 3 of the United States Constitution, treason is specifically limited to levying war against the U.S., or adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. This means where we are in a declared war against another country, and someone (an American) provides aid and comfort to that other country.

“Levying war” means the assembly of armed people to overthrow of the government or to resist its laws. “Enemies” are subjects of a foreign government that is in open hostility with the United States (war).

[allegro]

It's just obscene. We all suspected/knew he was involved in some capacity with the insurrection, we knew he didn't do enough to stop it as it got out of control, but the degree to which he was forewarned and perhaps even involved in the orchestration... Now we have Bannon outlining how Trump is going to try to claim early victory on election night, because he KNEW that the mail-in ballots would lean democratic and would be counted later.

We all knew that him calling early was desperate and that he was trying to claim victory while he was ahead, and we knew he knew about how the mail-in ballots would lean... but to hear that they sat around and planned to do this as a strategic move to cast uncertainty on the outcome of the election? That's fucking nuts considering the ensuing coup attempt.

All of this will be the subject of next week’s Prime Time Select Committee Hearing.

[Swykk]

So planning a coup isn’t an act of treason? Inciting a violent takeover isn’t an act of war?

Anyway, back to my original point. If he’s just going to get away with it, why dangle the carrot/what’s the point of these hearings?

This is all so infuriating and if Garland just sits on his hands, this whole thing is done in November. And we will watch in two short obnoxious years as the capitalist oligarchy becomes fascist. Get ready for insane state laws, multiple Biden childish impeachment attempts, etc. And in 2025, those 2 years will look quaint.

[cdm]

According to the law, no, it's not treason. The words "treason" and "treasonous" have evolved over the years but the US code has not and pretty specifically refers to aiding the enemy.

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter115&edition=prelim

If anything, it's Seditious Conspiracy. I saw this a bit ago but I can't recall who said it: (paraphrasing) DOJ action / inaction will look the same for a long time until they either indict or announce no charges. It's probably the most consequential decision DOJ has ever had to make, not just because he's a former president but because both action and inaction will have vast repercussions for years to come. This can't be rushed and progress will not be public.

I'd love to see something come from all this but I'm not particularly hopeful.

Edit: To expand on this a bit...obviously, there have been several charges of Seditious Conspiracy so far, Stewart Rhodes and Enrique Tarrio being the most significant, so it seems odd that DOJ would stop at the Oathkeepers / Proud Boys with that line of prosecution. If there were a true conspiracy it would likely extend further up the chain, something the Committee has been working towards in their hearings. As this article (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/28/seditious-conspiracy-charges-trial-oath-keepers-us-court) lays out, the charge is somewhat difficult to prosecute but I'm struck by the prosecution / conviction following another attack on the Capitol in 1954 (https://history.house.gov/Oral-History/Events/1954-Shooting/), given it's loose parallels to Jan 6. So in one sense, it bodes well that DOJ feels the evidence is strong against those charged and hopefully they are able to charge others up the chain. But on the other hand, any conviction for Seditious Conspiracy will be a difficult one, even with the testimony of all the dudes that eventually flip on Rhodes and Tarrio. Mark Meadows flipping would help but I would be surprised if that ever happens.

[allegro]

I have the feeling they may go for something else, entirely.

Criminal charges are supposedly being brought against Meadows, soon, which will be interesting.

[Swykk]

I am confused again, and none of this is me trying to be an asshole to anyone here, but I thought we’d landed on “He’s probably going to get away with all of it” to now some speculation he won’t?

I’m looking for answers and hope here. For real. It seems like this is all pageantry and perhaps knowledge for those that weren’t following 1/6 too closely.

Additionally, for the record, I hope I’m wrong and Trump finally sees consequences for the first time. I just don’t believe it’ll happen and I do firmly believe we’re running out of time for consequences to be possible.

[Jinsai]

He can't just "get away with it" and run again. I think they're going to conclude that he is unfit to run for office... which is probably part of the reason Trump is looking to announce his candidacy early. He wants to get his base mobilized to the point where the GOP feels threatened.

[allegro]

Here are a few articles:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/07/early-trump-2024-announcement-could-screw-over-the-gop-again.html

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/07/11/trump-00045225

https://www.kake.com/story/46860073/republicans-are-desperate-to-keep-trump-from-announcing-for-president-before-the-midterms

[Jinsai]

I wonder if the conclusion from this actually might just be a fitting punishment; that this is the defining moment of his presidency. A cowardly tantrum that riled up a crowd of conspiracy theorists and generally shitty, stupid, pissed off people into attempting a popcorn fart of an insurrection. He can't sustain this. It will haunt him, like the way we think about OJ Simpson in hindsight. We're not remembering his sports acumen or career as an actor.

This will be the way history books remember Trump, and he'll know it. January 6th and the subsequent hearings that exposed him will be his "Boston Tea Party." I hope it's his "Rosebud" moment too. When the MAGA crowd fades, he knows that he's a fucking loser, he lost, and that's what he'll be remembered as: a giant loser. People will say "don't be a fucking Trump" when they're calling someone a bad sport.

Even if that's all the "satisfaction" we'll ever get, it's got to be enough.

[allegro]

This guy? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Ornato

He’s fucking shady.

The testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson was credible.

The only ones refuting it are Trump, Ornato and some Secret Service.

Note that Ornato is totally beholden to Trump , because he’s obviously afraid of Trump. And any Secret Service members who’ve refuted Hutchinson’s testimony have refused to do so under oath, including Ornato.

But changing over phones ON JANUARY 5TH AND 6TH???

Nope, that SCREAMS cover-up.

Bring in others who can corroborate Hutchinson’s testimony. And go after Ornato. And Trump.

This is a cover-up. Which, alone, is illegal.

It’s what brought down Nixon.

There are other witnesses.

See below video, “Tony” = Ornato.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2gTBnvVBUGw

[Jinsai]

What's really crazy is that the central controversial scandal that brought down Nixon is nothing compared to this, and nobody is really feeling comfortable declaring that (yet?). This "scandal" laughs at Watergate.

[allegro]

It’s true!!!

This makes Watergate look like amateurs.

[allegro]

I guess next week’s prime time Committee hearing will focus on all the hours when law enforcement at the Capitol was under siege and the VP and members of Congress were in serious danger; and Trump was repeatedly warned about this, that the rioters were armed, that they were threatening to hang Pence, etc., and the focus of the hearing will be on Trump’s refusal to act.

And how, ultimately, VP Pence acted to call in the National Guard.

This will undoubtedly show dereliction of duty by Trump. Which violates his oath.

[Jinsai]

And how, ultimately, VP Pence acted to call in the National Guard.

That's gotta resonate with some people. That's fucked up!
Really when you think about it, that could have gotten sooooooooo much worse if it'd been left to progress "naturally," and the president wanted that to happen. He's like some mad king watching it all burn, and then the vice president has to jump in and hit the "fuck this!" button. Has anything like this ever happened before?

The vice president had to step in and intercede, and only after a crazed crowd was chanting for him to be publicly executed. I just cannot get over how bonkers this is.

[allegro]

And this was after people had been literally BEGGING the President to do something for HOURS!!

Fucking SEAN HANNITY! Members of his Cabinet!

HIS OWN DAUGHTER tried to get him to tell the rioters to stop!

Members of Congress and Governors from other states were calling and begging for permission to send in the Guard.

Trump continued to refuse, for HOURS, while people DIED at the Capitol.

And, according to Cassidy Hutchinson, Trump said that Pence was “going to get what he deserved” when Trump was warned that rioters were chanting “Hang Mike Pence!” and had constructed gallows.

Pence was able to make the call to override the President and to call in the Guard, himself. I’m not even sure under what AUTHORITY, but it’s good that he did. Trump’s people later lied and said Trump did it, but it was all proven to be a lie.

The fact that so many rioters are testifying that they only left the Capitol when Trump told them to leave, via Tweet, just proves that they were being directed by Trump.

[allegro]

Remember, too, that Trump and his team were behind FAKE ELECTORS in seven states, wherein GOP electors claimed they were to replace Democratic electors in “contested” states due to “fraud.”

These fake electors tried to take over on December 14th in each of these 7 states (the official certification deadline in all the states):

https://www.newsweek.com/michigan-republicans-tried-submit-fake-electoral-votes-capitol-1555028?amp=1

https://www.newsweek.com/arizina-gop-kelli-ward-subpoena-signing-electoral-1675706?amp=1

When THAT didn’t work, the plan was to send these phony certified electoral votes to CONGRESS to be “counted” on January 20th.

Now, TODAY in Georgia:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/georgia-prosecutor-warns-republicans-trump-fake-electors-probe-report-says-2022-07-16/


The prosecutor for Georgia's Fulton County has warned high-profile Republicans in that state they could be indicted for their role in efforts by ex-President Donald Trump and his supporters to overturn the result of the 2020 election, Yahoo News reported on Friday.

District Attorney Fani Willis has written letters to people including Georgia Republican Party Chairman David Shafer and State Senators Burt Jones and Brandon Beach over their role in an alleged alternate electors scheme in that state, Yahoo reported, citing unnamed legal sources familiar with the matter.

The scheme was aimed at appointing alternate electors pledged to Trump despite current President Joe Biden's victory in Georgia, Yahoo said.

Representatives for Shafer, Jones and Beach did not immediately respond to emailed requests for comment.

Willis, a Democrat, is leading a criminal investigation into Trump’s attempts to influence the state’s 2020 election results.

Yahoo, citing an interview with Willis, also said she was considering requesting that Trump testify under oath to the special grand jury investigating his conduct. Willis declined to comment on the letters, Yahoo said.

[allegro]

Awesome thread LOL:

https://twitter.com/secretsvcspox/status/1547710298043297792?s=21&t=KOspwY6iSXACj2uELeJYkw

[Jinsai]

well, now the Jan 6th Committee has subpoenaed the secret service about the deleted texts.

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/16/1111857502/jan-6-panel-subpoenas-secret-service-erased-texts

[allegro]

I’m re-watching the WHOLE hearing from last Tuesday and found out that the “Yellow Oval” is actually in the RESIDENCE on the SECOND FLOOR of the West Wing!

So, at some point, some of these goofs that were fighting at the December 2021 meeting ended up in the Presidential residence!!

Wtf.

[Jinsai]

Speaking of which, is there a resource that is collecting and organizing these complete hearings, with notes, takes, and highlight clips? I've found myself just throwing this on in the background, and I'd really prefer to just go through complete recordings. Someone's gotta be organizing all this right?

[allegro]

Speaking of which, is there a resource that is collecting and organizing these complete hearings, with notes, takes, and highlight clips? I've found myself just throwing this on in the background, and I'd really prefer to just go through complete recordings. Someone's gotta be organizing all this right?

MSNBC has all 7 hearings so far online:

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/watch-full-jan-6-committee-hearing-day-7-143929413922

[Jinsai]

I've also come across this interesting New Yorker article, that is basically a collection of links to other articles and highlights. I haven't gone through it all yet, because it's really a lot, but it definitely seems like an interesting thing to flip through

Go incognito if you need to get past the paywall

https://www.newyorker.com/books/double-take/sunday-reading-the-january-6th-hearings?utm_medium=social&utm_brand=tny&utm_source=facebook&mbid=social_facebook&utm_social-type=owned&fbclid=IwAR1N0s8Nl-v1BghTChPlVtYVlgTkA3ZxH87rOp56JY9xfcrbFZnb7h0tj7c

[the duder]

Anyone shocked?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220719/fcfecf91a426370f163f5f2f1ed9fa5f.jpg

[allegate]

I mean, a little bit. They're actually keeping that story going? especially after the whole "How dare you say we lost these texts" bull crap excuse.

[ickyvicky]

They can recover them, they just don’t want to.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/AmoneyResists/status/1549461787057295360

🎶wouldn't it be nice🎶

[allegro]

They can recover them, they just don’t want to.

The consensus is that these guys really know how to delete shit, they're in charge of security; so they really lit the shit on fire and buried the ashes.

The only saving grace would be if some rogue Secret Service agent managed to keep some stuff on a private device.


At least we shouldn't hear "but her emails" ever again.

[allegro]

Tonight's final hearing is prime time and is going to focus on dereliction of duty (or whatever the legal terminology equivalent), Trump's refusal to carry out his duties on January 6th. This should be really good.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/21/politics/what-to-watch-thursday-january-6-hearing/index.html


Here's minute-by-minute details of J6 (https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/10/politics/jan-6-us-capitol-riot-timeline/index.html), using information we know so far.

Mitch McConnell the evening of January 6th:


The United States and the United States Congress have faced down much greater threats than the unhinged crowd we saw today. We have never been deterred before, and we will be not deterred today. They try to disrupt our democracy, they failed. They failed. They failed to attempt to obstruct Congress. This failed insurrection only underscores how crucial the task before us is, for our republic,"

[sweeterthan]

besides trump’s outtakes, liz cheney calling out the grown ass men was my favorite part of tonight’s hearings.

[allegro]

The outtakes OH my God, with Ivanka in the background (no WONDER she worked in the White House)

https://twitter.com/january6thcmte/status/1550450467506896898?s=21&t=T-blLKiEb8hqK1Ihtnq81g

[allegro]

https://twitter.com/the_mal_gallery/status/1550290085882564608?s=21&t=T-blLKiEb8hqK1Ihtnq81g

https://twitter.com/aynrandpaulryan/status/1550295707017306112?s=21&t=T-blLKiEb8hqK1Ihtnq81g

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1550554946877243397

I mean you gotta start somewhere.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/repswalwell/status/1550342242891550721

Who is this mysterious person...?

https://twitter.com/brewg918/status/1550346224976494592

So either she's got actual schizophrenia or someone lost the password.

[allegate]

very good breakdown of that last night:
Interesting points that I took away from last night (for those who chose to selectively ignore):

While the riot was unfolding, Trump was sitting alone and watching it on TV, calling senators (who were running for their lives) and harassing/indirectly threatening them to change their votes, while his terrified and exasperated staff pleaded with him to do what was required of his job, and warning him that he was derelict in his duty.

Then when he found out that the rioters were chanting "Hang Mike Pence", he excitedly tweeted an attack on Mike Pence less than 2 minutes later, which ignited the moment where the rioters broke into the capitol. A staff member overheard him say that Pence "deserves what he is gonna get". Then secret service agents protecting Pence began sending out messages to their families because they believed they were going to die. At this point, several members of Trump's staff resigned in disgust, because it was clear to them that he supported the riot and had no interest in stopping it.

The white house call log is also COMPLETELY BLANK during the entire thing, despite proof that he was making tons of phone calls (mostly to harass senators). It's also the only time ever that he told the white house photographer to stay away from him and not document anything.

The whole thing is unprecedented and entirely insane. Imagine what would be going on now if the vice president or any senators had actually been killed, which seems to be what Trump was hoping for.

But there's nothing to see here, move along. Trumpy misunderstood. Nothing could have been done about the peaceful protest. LOLOL. Derp.

what a twat: Trump Peeved He Couldn’t Give Himself the Medal of Honor: ‘They Wouldn’t Let Me Do It’ (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-peeved-couldn-t-himself-182937441.html)

Former President Donald Trump admitted Saturday that after he flew to Iraq aboard Air Force One that he wanted to give himself the Medal of Honor — the country’s highest award for military valor in action — but was told he wasn’t allowed to.

“As president, I wanted to give myself the Congressional Medal of Honor, but they wouldn’t let me do it…they said that would be inappropriate,” Trump said on July 23 at the Turning Point USA summit, whose “mission is to identify, educate, train, and organize students to promote the principles of freedom, free markets, and limited government.”

The Congressional Medal of Honor, which is typically presented by the president in the name of Congress, represents values of “bravery, courage, sacrifice [and] integrity,” and is only awarded for military valor in action.

[allegro]

very good breakdown of that last night


https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/07-21-2022/inside-pences-detail-on-16/


"Members of the VP detail at this time were starting to fear for their own lives. There was a lot of yelling — a lot of very personal calls over the radio. It was very disturbing. I don't like talking about it. There were calls to say goodbye to family members. For whatever reason on the ground, the VP detail thought that this was about to get very ugly."
— White House security official testifying to what they heard on the radio

Nicolle Wallace (currently an MSNBC host) said she worked in the White House on 9/11 and didn't hear people calling family members to say goodbye, and that this is very disturbing stuff.

[allegate]

shouldn't he be going to jail soon?

Bannon Celebrates Report on Trump’s Plan For ‘Deconstructing’ the Government, Install Thousands of Loyalists (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bannon-celebrates-report-on-trump-e2-80-99s-plan-for-e2-80-98deconstructing-e2-80-99-the-government-install-thousands-of-loyalists/ar-AAZXPfY)

[allegro]

shouldn't he be going to jail soon?

Bannon Celebrates Report on Trump’s Plan For ‘Deconstructing’ the Government, Install Thousands of Loyalists (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bannon-celebrates-report-on-trump-e2-80-99s-plan-for-e2-80-98deconstructing-e2-80-99-the-government-install-thousands-of-loyalists/ar-AAZXPfY)

He’s appealing, and his sentencing hearing isn’t until October.

Steve wants to be a martyr. He could have honored the subpoena, showed up, brought his lawyers, and simply answered any questions that his lawyers felt crossed the line of executive privilege as “executive privilege.”

This is what several people did.

He likes to create a circus wherever he goes.


Re above: Shock troops? You mean, Stoßtrupp, Steve?

Like this one, Steve? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoßtrupp-Hitler

[allegro]

Breaking, per WaPo, today at 5:58 p.m.


The Justice Department is investigating President Donald Trump’s actions as part of its criminal probe of efforts to overturn the 2020 election results, according to four people familiar with the matter.


Prosecutors who are questioning witnesses before a grand jury — including two top aides to Vice President Mike Pence — have asked in recent days about conversations with Trump, his lawyers, and others in his inner circle who sought to substitute Trump allies for certified electors from some states Joe Biden won, according to two people familiar with the matter. Both spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.


The prosecutors have asked hours of detailed questions about meetings Trump led in December 2020 and January 2021; his pressure campaign on Pence to overturn the election; and what instructions Trump gave his lawyers and advisers about fake electors and sending electors back to the states, the people said. Some of the questions focused directly on the extent of Trump’s involvement in the fake-elector effort led by his outside lawyers, including John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani, these people said.


In addition, Justice Department investigators in April received phone records of key officials and aides in the Trump administration, including his former chief of staff, Mark Meadows, according to two people familiar with the matter. That effort is another indicator of how expansive the Jan. 6 probe had become, well before the high-profile, televised House hearings in June and July on the subject.

[allegate]

rumours abound that this is why Trump didn't announce on July 4th and that he might not at all. The sooner he announces, the sooner the charges will need to be brought and that means the sooner he'll have to stop pussyfooting around with the will he/won't he grift.

You know, in a perfect world.

[allegro]

rumours abound that this is why Trump didn't announce on July 4th and that he might not at all. The sooner he announces, the sooner the charges will need to be brought and that means the sooner he'll have to stop pussyfooting around with the will he/won't he grift.

You know, in a perfect world.

Also, supposedly, once he declares himself a nominee, he loses (legal) personal access to that PAC money (because it becomes solely campaign money).

The money he’s been using to pay stuff like LEGAL BILLS.

[versusreality]

I'm ready for season 2 of the hearings. They left us on a cliffhanger lol.

[allegro]

These emails (NY Times) are a treasure trove of what the fuck.


In emails reviewed by The New York Times and authenticated by people who had worked with the Trump campaign at the time, one lawyer involved in the detailed discussions repeatedly used the word “fake” to refer to the so-called electors, who were intended to provide Vice President Mike Pence and Mr. Trump’s allies in Congress a rationale for derailing the congressional process of certifying the outcome. And lawyers working on the proposal made clear they knew that the pro-Trump electors they were putting forward might not hold up to legal scrutiny.

“We would just be sending in ‘fake’ electoral votes to Pence so that ‘someone’ in Congress can make an objection when they start counting votes, and start arguing that the ‘fake’ votes should be counted,” Jack Wilenchik, a Phoenix-based lawyer who helped organize the pro-Trump electors in Arizona, wrote in a Dec. 8, 2020, email to Boris Epshteyn, a strategic adviser for the Trump campaign.


When you talk to Trumpamzees on Twitter, they’ve stressed the ability to use January 6th to overturn the election based on the Electoral Count Act. They circulate this screen shot of some article showing that the Act was enacted after the Tilden controversy of 1877, and point to that as being exactly the same as “Trump’s election was stolen.” Or something.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compromise_of_1877

Except, no.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Count_Act


The Act was enacted by Congress in 1887, ten years after the disputed 1876 presidential election, in which several states submitted competing slates of electors and a divided Congress was unable to resolve the deadlock for weeks.

Trump and team didn’t have that from the states; each state had already submitted certified electors without controversy, and the drop-dead (statutory safe harbor) deadline for disputes had long passed.

So, in the alternative, Trump’s team CREATED second sets of FAKE electors (NOT SIGNED BY STATE GOVERNORS, THEREFORE NOT CERTIFIED) and intended to mix these in with the certified ones, thereby creating a “Tilden” situation which they assumed would put VP Pence in the position to determine, per the ECA, the outcome of the election.

This was being done in full view, too. Subpoenas are currently being issued to everyone involved in these states.

In Michigan, fake electors (they dubbed themselves “alternate” or some bullshit) tried to force their way into the State Capitol in Lansing on the day the actual electors were chosen based on the popular vote in Michigan when Gov. Whitner certified Biden. State Police denied them entry.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/14/michigans-electoral-college-16-votes-joe-biden-kamala-harris/6538683002/

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2022/06/23/michigan-fake-elector-probe-subpoena/7710326001/

https://youtu.be/P_NgLQxMV9c

[allegro]

WaPo article, hope this isn’t paywalled on your end:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/07/26/trump-justice-investigation-january-6/



Discussions with people on Twitter who’ve served on grand juries say that investigations went on for a long time before anything became public, and especially before subpoenas were issued; these people say that investigators had already spoken to people several times, informally, before subpoenas were issued to appear before the grand jury and when THAT happens, it pretty much signals that you’re getting nearer to indictments.

Here’s one:


I was a witness once. I was interviewed twice by a US Attorney. Then I testified to a grand jury, which covered only a small fraction of the original interviews. The grand jury was the end of the investigation, not the beginning.


Note: I received a fed subpoena to be a witness in a fed trial, but I’ve never had anything to do with a grand jury, ever.

[ekrekel]

WaPo article, hope this isn’t paywalled on your end:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/07/26/trump-justice-investigation-january-6/



Discussions with people on Twitter who’ve served on grand juries say that investigations went on for a long time before anything became public, and especially before subpoenas were issued; these people say that investigators had already spoken to people several times, informally, before subpoenas were issued to appear before the grand jury and when THAT happens, it pretty much signals that you’re getting nearer to indictments.

Here’s one:




Note: I received a fed subpoena to be a witness in a fed trial, but I’ve never had anything to do with a grand jury, ever.

I can't imagine getting a fed subpoena ever gets non-shitpantsy scary.

[allegro]

I can't imagine getting a fed subpoena ever gets non-shitpantsy scary.

I had to do mug shots, fingerprints, and handwriting samples, because a defendant in the case (a client) said “I didn’t sign that! The PARALEGAL forged my signature!!!”

The FBI later told me (after they put me through all that crap) that they knew the piece of shit was lying, but they had to go through the motions. That client admitted he lied, then flipped on other defendants to save his own ass.

Edit: I should add that the scariest part was when the FBI paid me a surprise visit at 8:30 p.m. on a weekday while we were eating dinner. Guys in suits at my door, can you do us a favor and look at these documents? I said I gotta talk to a lawyer or something first, I’m not sure how I’m supposed to respond to this. I might have saved myself a trip downtown to get fingerprinted had I just let them in and looked at documents, dunno. But I was tired and had a glass of wine by that point, so I figured LETTING THE FBI INTO MY HOUSE might not be prudent.

My law firm provided me with “free representation” who said “yeah you gotta show up.” My most recent boss told me that was total bullshit; he said he would have fought it and told the FBI to fuck off and show just cause, etc.

I had NO idea what THAT subpoena meant (or the demand for handwriting samples!) until the FBI told me to sign THIS CLIENT’S NAME!!! LOL LOL!!! Wtf.

Then I realized, “omg that piece of shit.”

In the instance of this case, I wasn’t even acting as a paralegal; it was outside the scope of my expertise, so I only typed the documents with no real idea what they were about (it was a really complicated involuntary bankruptcy case). I STILL don’t understand wtf happened. One of my bosses went to federal prison for 2.5 years.

[ekrekel]

he said he would have fought it and told the FBI to fuck off and show just cause, etc

That'd be a Glengarry Glen Ross type brass ones moment for sure. Just in case anyone else here has to watch it anytime they reference it.

linky for anyone else that has to watch it anytime they reference it. (https://youtu.be/elrnAl6ygeM)

[allegro]

That'd be a Glengarry Glen Ross type brass ones moment for sure. Just in case anyone else here has to watch it anytime they reference it.

linky for anyone else that has to watch it anytime they reference it. (https://youtu.be/elrnAl6ygeM)

Yeah, that’s what the lawyer said. (Who I knew for years, good guy, a good criminal attorney.)

He said, “Miss D (that’s what he called me), I’ll tell ya something … the Feds always get their man.”

And he’s right. You can fight the Feds, but you won’t win.

[allegate]

Pro-Trump influencer upset after documents detailing 'substantial' cooperation with FBI are released (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pro-trump-influencer-upset-after-documents-detailing-substantial-cooperation-with-fbi-are-released/ar-AA106snW)

Oh no!

Anyway.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/jasondashbailey/status/1554554563981623298

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/RepRiggleman/status/1554881242948149248

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver_Riggleman


On August 6, 2021, Riggleman was appointed to serve as a senior staffer to the United States House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_the_Januar y_6_Attack) on the U.S. Capitol.

Oh my.

[bobbie solo]

Pro-Trump influencer upset after documents detailing 'substantial' cooperation with FBI are released (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pro-trump-influencer-upset-after-documents-detailing-substantial-cooperation-with-fbi-are-released/ar-AA106snW)

Oh no!

Anyway.

political show I watch regularly had a field day with this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9b9VVybCGQ

[BRoswell]

The FBI raided Mar-A-Lago earlier today.

[M1ke]

https://i.imgur.com/VomvT6o.jpeg

[Jinsai]

I love how the Republicans are responding to all this. They're completely confused. You've got Desantis who is pitching a flag on team-Trump, and almost everyone else is toe-ing a line where it's like "I have a problem with... uh... this is a police state invasion!!!!"

As if Trump should be special. ARREST HIM. He's been fucking BEGGING FOR IT for his whole life. If you have enough evidence to convince a federal judge to sign off on investigating you, well, let's look at that. TRUMP IS NOT SPECIAL. He's the opposite of special.

He deserves everything he's asked for over and over again, and had the audacity to say "I could shoot someone" and nothing bad would happen. He thinks he's invincible because he's never had to actually pay for his crimes...

And then there's all these stupid fuck republican peasants praising this Elite asshole for having to be subjected to the same sort of thing they might need to be subjected to.
Fucking insulting. Let's see where this goes before we decide... but obviously I hate this fucking guy, and I want to see him at least have to feel the shame he deserves. Fuck the idea that the former president can't be aggressively investigated?!

IF ANYONE SHOULD BE OPENLY INVESTIGATED, it should be the president of the fucking United States who has more power for abuse than anyone else on this fucking planet.

[allegro]

The FBI warrant was probably related to this (from February of 2022):

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/07/national-archives-retrieved-15-boxes-of-trump-white-house-documents-from-mar-a-lago.html

Presidential Records Act of 1978 (https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html)

See also:

https://www.justsecurity.org/73265/destroying-federal-documents-during-a-presidential-transition-is-a-federal-crime/


Trump's staff, moving him out of the White House:
https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-560w,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2021_02/3442411/210115-white-house-moving-ew-108p.jpg
https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1709357/boxes-are-stacked-near-white-house.jpg?w=600&q=75&f=a9c3be3d2a60782af2c2f4447181297c

[cdm]

The FBI warrant was probably related to this (from February of 2022):


There's no way they would raid a former president if it was just him holding onto documents.

[Jinsai]

Yup, and I love how all these people firing up their Twitter app to defend him are all like "but he's special and doesn't deserve to be treated like me."

If you're suffering that kind of cult-induced Stockholm Syndrome, y'know what, fuck youuuuuuuuuuu. You've got so much communicative power at your fingertips, it's only because that's a new concept that's empowering this sort of evasive "he's special and law shouldn't apply to him" bullshit.

I honestly do NOT get how anyone is able to put on their big boy pants and defend this guy at this point. COME ON. Ditch him! You do not want the leader of your fucking party to be a known liar, cheat, charlatan fuck. You just don't WANT THAT

[allegro]

There's no way they would raid a former president if it was just him holding onto documents.

18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071)

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

But, I don't think that's solely what they're up to, here.

TRUMP says he took all that stuff for his "Presidential Library."

Uh huh.

I do not think it's a coincidence that the FBI "raid" took place on the anniversary of Nixon's resignation.

The judge who signed the warrant is a Trump appointee.

The head of the FBI is a Trump appointee.

[allegro]

Trump and his cronies keep shouting about Hillary Clinton.

Except Ivanka Trump, George W. Bush's administration, and Colin Powell, all used personal servers.

The OPM data breach exposed ALL the sensitive personal data of over 4 MILLION Federal employees, their family members (including CHILDREN and spouses -- AND ME) and government contractors.

The OPM collects/collected data for security clearances.

https://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/de/security/news/cyber-attacks/us-opm-hack-exposes-data-of-4-million-federal-employees

My and my husband's credit data has to be frozen until we die.

I do not wonder for one second why HRC's advisors wanted a "personal server."

Meanwhile, the Adderall King himself, Donnie Jr. is yelling about Hillary using "a hammer and bleach" on her server.

Hillary notoriously knew/knows nothing about computers, and only used her Blackberry while Secretary of State. She now only uses an iPhone. She needs help making an Amazon purchase. She is in no way, shape or form tech savvy. She had a staff of very very expensive attorneys handling the curation of data that was turned over for examination upon request. Clinton's IT team was found to be disorganized, somewhat inept, and even archaic as compared to modern IT setups. The FBI conducted a full and thorough investigation and while determining that Clinton's team was probably stupid and naive, it had no criminal intent. Nobody had to conduct a "raid" because everyone was fully cooperative and transparent. Any deletions were done because the IT staff genuinely believed they were removing "personal" data (HRC's daughter's wedding plans, HRC's personal yoga schedules, calendar data, etc.).

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-emails-2016-server-state-department-fbi-214307/

But, there's no use in trying to explain this to Trump cult members. Because, to them, Mar-a-Lago is akin to The Vatican. And Trump is their Pope.

[Jinsai]

can we also just take a moment to lounge in how shitty the name "Mar a Lago" is? Just... I mean, maybe it's finally reduced to this "Mar a Lago Moment" that will probably forever dethrone Anygate... I love that it takes place in the Spanish language-named palace he built for himself, where they were definitely not sending the best and brightest. They're rapists, they're murderers, and some of them, I presume, are very nice people.

EDIT: ah, darn, actually, it was built before he was born, and he just bought at some point. That bums me out a little. Oh well, I still don't like the name.

[allegro]

EDIT: ah, darn, actually, it was built before he was born, and he just bought at some point. That bums me out a little. Oh well, I still don't like the name.

Yeah, Marjorie Merriweather Post

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marjorie_Merriweather_Post

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/lifestyle/2021/01/19/building-mar-lago-marjorie-merriweather-posts-palm-beach-showplace/4215478001/

Her Father was C.W. Post:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._W._Post

Her daughter?

Actress, heiress, socialite, businesswoman, and philanthropist, Dina Merrill.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dina_Merrill

Ms. Merrill’s father was E.F. Hutton.

(When E.F. Hutton talks, people listen.)

https://youtu.be/2_ygqPepLjM

Trump only DREAMS of being aristocratic old money like these people.

[BRoswell]

You do not want the leader of your fucking party to be a known liar, cheat, charlatan fuck. You just don't WANT THAT

Nope, that's exactly what they want. They want someone who doesn't give a fuck about the rules. That's why they cheer him on when he does something illegal, immoral, etc. They think he's a rebel, but he's not. He's the epitome of the status quo, but he has them eating out of the palm of his hand. Too bad what he's feeding them is total bullshit.

[poinoup]

This season of the spin-off of The West Wing is getting superb.

[chuckrh]

Nope, that's exactly what they want. They want someone who doesn't give a fuck about the rules. That's why they cheer him on when he does something illegal, immoral, etc. They think he's a rebel, but he's not. He's the epitome of the status quo, but he has them eating out of the palm of his hand. Too bad what he's feeding them is total bullshit.
That goes with my theory that PT Barnum is the true father of the country. It makes me sad to say that but I was in the belly of the beast as far as the corporate oligarchy goes for 13 years & I saw a lot of stuff that made me sick. I was trapped though by health issues & couldn't get out until I finally had to take a disability retirement. No one was going to hire me with what's essentially a fatal disease (eventually). I can't get into specifics as I had to sign a NDA when I left but things are worse than you think.

[Jinsai]

Oh wow, I wasn't keeping up with the news, but holy shit is Donald fucked here... OMG thank whatever already. Come on! WOOOOOOooooooooooooo

[Swykk]

He’s fucked if Garland has the courage to follow through. Who knows?

[chuckrh]

He’s fucked if Garland has the courage to follow through. Who knows?

It'll come down to whatever the corporate overlords want. As usual. Make no mistake, corporate USA liked a lot of what Trump did. The only thing that mitigates that is it's pretty much business as usual under Biden. We need to vote out all these people who have been in DC for decades & are still there just for the money & the power. Case in point: in Washington state we have a senator running for term 6. At first she was the soccer mom who'd gone big time. Now, she's just throwing mud at her opponent without nothing much substantial going on. Also, she's the number one benefactor from big pharma from either party while saying she's all about the people. Sadly, the Republicans are running a Trump head against her. I actuallly voted for another Democrat in the primary but they didn't have the name recognition. Just one example. The problem of stale leadership is endemic.

[Swykk]

Citizens United has to be in the conversation at least if not near the top of worst decisions made for the country.

[allegate]

He’s fucked if Garland has the courage to follow through. Who knows?
https://twitter.com/thomasafine/status/1564884750350929920

Yeah, it could go either way but the reporting is doing a lazy job of, you know, reporting.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/jasonselvig/status/1564719909862612992

wow.

[GulDukat]

Looks like we won't know much until November. (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-31/doj-is-likely-to-wait-past-election-to-reveal-any-trump-charges)

[richardp]

Committee voting to subpoena today!!

Obviously Trump's going to make an absolute scene about it, but at least we're finally getting some concrete accountability here.

[allegro]

Pelosi January 6

https://twitter.com/mikesington/status/1580954556497657858?s=46&t=4OfCfFmb6ObiQTnu7p8HSg

https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1580637472173699072?s=46&t=4OfCfFmb6ObiQTnu7p8HSg

https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1580712690766712833?s=46&t=4OfCfFmb6ObiQTnu7p8HSg

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1583514875346591744

good, but also yeah right. obstruct delay obstruct.

[allegro]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1583514875346591744

good, but also yeah right. obstruct delay obstruct.

https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1583477424485855238?s=46&t=j-2aq4mA-LjseraioVdXwg

[chuckrh]

Watching Liz Cheney on Meet the Press. I hope I'm not going to hell for this but she sounds pretty reasonable, at least on the Jan 6 stuff. Big step considering her dad is a major minion of Satan.

[chuckrh]

Some rumblings that she’s going to run as an independent in 2024. She said that if Trump runs, she won’t be a Republican. I’d look for it but I’m lazy today :D

That's what Sundays are for. I'm watching the US Grand Prix. It's a sports orgy today. The race should be done just about in time for the Seahawks game. Happier than a pig in slop about that as they say.;)

[ekrekel]

NYT reporting as expected Garland appointing Special Council. He effectively waited for 21 months then punted. It's going to be Muller again isn't it?

[Swykk]

Saw it coming.

Garland lacks resolve.

[Zimbo]

Feels like with Trump's announcement receiving such a tepid response, they thought now would be the best time.

[cdm]

Investigations take time, especially good ones built to prosecute. Considering they have several irons in the fire this seems like the logical progression, more so now that he's officially announced.

[Jinsai]

aren't the Jan 6th hearings supposed to start again with more evidence? If they can really connect him to orchestrating that attempted insurrection, he is barred from running. It's in the constitution.

"What does the 14th Amendment Section 3 mean?



Ratified in the aftermath of the Civil War, Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment explicitly disqualifies any person from public office who, having previously taken an oath as a federal or state office holder, engaged in insurrection or rebellion."

[cdm]

aren't the Jan 6th hearings supposed to start again with more evidence? If they can really connect him to orchestrating that attempted insurrection, he is barred from running. It's in the constitution.

I don't think they have anything scheduled at this point but there's this from the Sunday morning shows: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/january-6-committee-evidence-zoe-lofgren-face-the-nation/


"Within a month, the public will have everything that we've found, all the evidence. For good or ill," Lofgren told "Face the Nation."

So while they have not coordinated with DOJ as of yet, any evidence and under-oath testimony released publicly would also be released to DOJ.

[Swykk]

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3745825-merrick-garland-misses-the-target/amp/

Pretty much.

[allegate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkRnUeR_v6w

This is from today. Jesus on a Bicycle.

[sweeterthan]

come on. you knew he had more. we all knew. why don’t they dig up ivanna and indict him already?

[allegate]

Lots of reporting yesterday that implies that since a jury found Trump guilty (Trump Co, yes, but still Trump) on those counts then they feel like it's time to move forward on everything. It's seen as a testing ground for the country, I guess.

[ekrekel]

.... are fairly certain that a jury will convict.

I've lost faith that an impartial jury can be obtained here. Hopefully during juror selection all of their socials can be scrubbed to weed out potential bias, but the culture war is so deep that no amount of evidence or appointment of special councils will overcome their confirmation bias.

[allegate]

I've lost faith that an impartial jury can be obtained here. Hopefully during juror selection all of their socials can be scrubbed to weed out potential bias, but the culture war is so deep that no amount of evidence or appointment of special councils will overcome their confirmation bias.
there was worry about that for the Trump Co case. I think that most hardcore trumpies are somewhat mentally malleable (lol, somewhat) and can be shown reason in a vacuum. I mean it's a feeling and they're the fuck your feelings crowd but the unanimous decision on all counts would seem to support that.

OTOH:

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/bOHFYHMMvk9HnvK-M1krSE8YvZM=/0x0:1362x583/1200x800/filters:focal(575x21:791x237)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/62643360/Screen_Shot_2018_12_07_at_9.43.05_AM.0.png

[BRoswell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH_rX9S6sU8

[GulDukat]

If anyone gives a fuck, here is Trump's reaction to the J6 report:
(https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-election-loss/)

SO, WE CAUGHT THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THROUGH THE USE OF THE FBI & OTHER AGENCIES, CONCLUSIVELY & IRREFUTABLY CHEATING ON THE 2020 Presidential Election, AND COMPLETELY & ILLEGALLY CHANGING ITS RESULT. THIS WAS ONLY ONE OF MANY FORMS OF CHEATING, BUT FRANKLY, IT WAS A BEAUT!

THE FBI HAS NO EXCUSE, THEY WERE CAUGHT COLD, BUT THIS MUST NOT BECOME A COLD CASE. NOW WHAT? HONEST & BRAVE PROSECUTORS & JUDGES MUST STEP UP & CLEAN OUT THIS CANCER WHICH IS DESTROYING OUR ONCE GREAT COUNTRY!



He also wrote: (https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-2659006742/)


The FBI used Twitter and Facebook to bludgeon the 2020 Election to Biden. Nothing Negative could be said about him, especially as it related to Hunter’s Laptop From Hell, and ONLY Negative could be said about me. They were illegally after “Trump” at a level of ferocity, hate and yes, desperation, that has never been seen in our Country before. Other Media companies were involved also.

The change in the Election was Complete & Total, with Millions of votes switched, at least 17%. TRUMP WON, BIG!"

[chuckrh]

If anyone gives a fuck, here is Trump's reaction to the J6 report:
(https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-election-loss/)


He also wrote: (https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-2659006742/)

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Maybe we could exile him somewhere like the French did with Napoleon. Like the Black Mountain facility in Colorado where they send the worst of the criminals like terrorists & such. It's that or refurbish Old Sparky & give him the same treatment the Rosenbergs got.

[BRoswell]

If anyone gives a fuck, here is Trump's reaction to the J6 report: (https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-election-loss/)

Conclusively and irrefutably. Must be why all those court cases got thrown out. It was just TOO TRUE!

And the only way to "clean out this cancer which is destroying our country" is for all those Big Macs he shoves into that puckering asshole he calls a mouth to do their job.

[GulDukat]

I know that people (myself included) have made the mistake in the past of thinking that Trump was finished, i.e, the Access Hollywood tape, but I really think he is done. His 2024 campaign is a bigger flop than Howard the Duck.

[BRoswell]

I know that people (myself included) have made the mistake in the past of thinking that Trump was finished, i.e, the Access Hollywood tape, but I really think he is done.

I won't believe he's done until he's in his grave...and even then I won't be totally convinced.

Regardless, the damage is already done, and fixing it is going to take a long time.

[GulDukat]

I won't believe he's done until he's in his grave...and even then I won't be totally convinced.

Regardless, the damage is already done, and fixing it is going to take a long time.

Those three fuckers will be on The Supreme Court for a long time.

[Khrz]

It's not even about politics anymore ; Trump has made it officially A-okay to discard any political discourse, any pretense at intellectual honesty. Lying is strength, debating is for the weak, argumentation is the hallmark of effete morons. The point now is attack, degrade, dehumanize and belittle the opposition.

And yeah, the tea party was already there and hypocrisy was everywhere, it's always been part of the game, moving the goalposts. Now one side is still trying to explain that the ball is supposed to go on the other side of the field while the other ones are playing calvinball on steroids.

There's no coming back from that, not for a good long while. Trump has made it so the hooligans in the bleachers can join the team and are now considered legit players, and they're very proud of it. You can put as many Trumps as you like behind bars, but the game is irremediably fucked.

[GulDukat]

The truth about the Biden Comm Team request to Twitter and Facebook to pull the circulating Hunter Biden laptop material was that it was NAKED PHOTOS of Hunter Biden, which not only violated the Terms of Use of both Twitter and Facebook, but also violated revenge porn laws in many states across the country because it’s publishing the photos without the written permission of Hunter Biden which puts Twitter and Facebook in legal jeopardy. And neither of them wanted that hot potato.

Nothing on Hunter Biden’s laptop TOUCHED the shit that has been committed by, and suppressed by, Donald J. Trump.

Hunter Biden has never run for office, and even if Hunter arranged for a meeting between his boss and Joe Biden, that’s just a social meeting; there’s absolutely no smoking gun that shows criminal intent.

And NONE of it has ANYTHING to do with an obvious smear campaign of a naked addict son high on crack cocaine.

Does anything Trump says need to be refuted?

[Jinsai]

Ivanka and Jared have been subpoenaed

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-subpoenaed-special-counsel-investigating/story?id=97398257

[sweeterthan]

https://twitter.com/muellershewrote/status/1651694944057438212?s=46&t=gor26k2466vn-NnZCnbztw

maybe i’ll stop calling him a traitor now. maybe not.

[thelastdisciple]

https://twitter.com/muellershewrote/status/1651694944057438212?s=46&t=gor26k2466vn-NnZCnbztw

maybe i’ll stop calling him a traitor now. maybe not.
It would definitely be nice for a change if his rhetoric reflected the reality of the situation instead of the constant optics of "Yeah he riled up his base to come and kill me but hey when push comes to shove hanging I'd still vote for him as the GOP nominee!"

[Wretchedest]

https://twitter.com/muellershewrote/status/1651694944057438212?s=46&t=gor26k2466vn-NnZCnbztw

maybe i’ll stop calling him a traitor now. maybe not.

This tweet has all the features I hate of social media type journalism. The misuse/overuse of the word "breaking" (otherwise see: "Exclusive") the frantic all caps nature of the tweet. It has no deeper information to offer on what may end up being a nothing moment. I get that you're just trying to comment on the event itself and I'm not trying to jab at you over your link, it just felt a little abrasive to read.

[sweeterthan]

This tweet has all the features I hate of social media type journalism. The misuse/overuse of the word "breaking" (otherwise see: "Exclusive") the frantic all caps nature of the tweet. It has no deeper information to offer on what may end up being a nothing moment. I get that you're just trying to comment on the event itself and I'm not trying to jab at you over your link, it just felt a little abrasive to read.

i agree that BREAKING is over used on that hellsite but in this case it was breaking and that was the first tweet i saw about it. it is big news. the man has stonewalled this for two years now. i really hope we get the testimony someday.

[marodi]

"Breaking News" is the new "Very Special Episode".

I wonder if the Orange Menace is going to throw a temper tantrum over Pence testifying?

[Wretchedest]

Of course he is. In these things you can always count on a few things. Trump will throw a temper tantrum, the justice department will do nothing. No body will go to prison, and nothing will happen.

[allegate]

not really the committee but it's still bringing a smile to my face:

Proud Boys Enrique Tarrio, 3 others guilty of Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/proud-boys-enrique-tarrio-3-others-guilty-of-jan-6-seditious-conspiracy/ar-AA1aJWZi?OCID=ansmsnnews11)