Trump 2020-21 - Epilogue

[onthewall2983]

Signed a bi-partisan bill to help eliminate backlog in rape kit testing (https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-signs-bill-eliminate-backlog-rape-kit-testing/story?id=67997113&cid=clicksource_4380645_null_headlines_hed&fbclid=IwAR3ahq0L0ak0Q4UTaaDjo1AbMpZ8SeZCnchiNLjgU 3K3HLtx8U-j7DYgQQ0). Wonder how nervous he was when he held the pen.

[theimage13]

Signed a bi-partisan bill to help eliminate backlog in rape kit testing (https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-signs-bill-eliminate-backlog-rape-kit-testing/story?id=67997113&cid=clicksource_4380645_null_headlines_hed&fbclid=IwAR3ahq0L0ak0Q4UTaaDjo1AbMpZ8SeZCnchiNLjgU 3K3HLtx8U-j7DYgQQ0). Wonder how nervous he was when he held the pen.

Poor lil' guy misread the bill. He thought it eliminated all rape allegations against him.

[binaryhermit]

Donald Trump, leader of a foreign terrorist organization, ordered the assassination of someone that foreign terrorist organization called the leader of a foreign terrorist organization.
In before WW3.

[sweeterthan]

I updated the thread title for accuracy.


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[r_k_f]

Great way to start the new year...

[SM Rollinger]

You would think this Iran shit would help the Dems out, but old man Biden is gonna get the nomination, and we will get 4 more years of Trump and its going to take the economy crashing again and 10k+ dead troops before people finally wake up and realize supporting any Republican for president is in reality supporting the same old shit they have always stood for. Big business, the ultra wealthy, pro war, voter suppression, less rights for us and more rights for special interests. (just like in 2004).

[Magnetic]

Yah, I'm trying to mentally prepare for the election. Obviously I'll hope, but...still. It blows.

[theimage13]

America is guilty of everything we accuse Iran of doing (https://theweek.com/articles/887283)

I'd ask that anyone who wants to downvote this at least take the time to read the article and share their reasons for disagreeing with it.

The piece isn't meant to diminish the severity of what Trump has done, or the moronic and potentially illegal way in which he did it (still haven't read anything conclusive sounding; just lots of speculation). It's instead meant to acknowledge that we are not exactly the spotless knights in shining armor that we like to claim we are, especially when it comes to our very own presidents and other high-ranking officials.

[hellospaceboy]

You would think this Iran shit would help the Dems out

Sadly, it's the kinda thing that always helps the Republicans. Democrats are always seen weak when it comes to wars, Obama could only sneak in because the crashing economy overshadowed our ongoing wars.
Every time the conversation shifts to homeland security, the Dems lose. Like now, they're all running on domestic issues, and if we go into war over this airstrike then Trump will surely be reelected (I'll be so happy to be wrong tho!!!)

And speaking of the airstrike: the WH says that they stopped an imminent, grave attack on American citizens. Can we see the receipts?! I think we have the right to know what it was, and to make sure it wasn't just made up, vague threat (which it will turn out to be).
We already know that this attack wasn't going to be on American soil, but in the Middle East.

[SM Rollinger]

America is guilty of everything we accuse Iran of doing (https://theweek.com/articles/887283)

I'd ask that anyone who wants to downvote this at least take the time to read the article and share their reasons for disagreeing with it.

The piece isn't meant to diminish the severity of what Trump has done, or the moronic and potentially illegal way in which he did it (still haven't read anything conclusive sounding; just lots of speculation). It's instead meant to acknowledge that we are not exactly the spotless knights in shining armor that we like to claim we are, especially when it comes to our very own presidents and other high-ranking officials.
Thanks for the link, more people need to read this, facts are facts.

Yet even the worst of Soleimani's record pales in comparison with the most blood-drenched American warmongers. If Soleimani deserves condemnation for arming Iraqi insurgents, then George W. Bush and Dick Cheney deserve 10 times as much for starting the war in the first place. It was a pointless, illegal war of aggression sold on lies that obliterated Iraqi society and killed perhaps half a million people, almost all of them innocent civilians. (Our own Soleimani, General David Petraeus, was connected to the operation of Iraqi torture dungeons and paramilitary death squads during the fight against the insurgency.)

If Soleimani deserves blame for helping Bashar al-Assad brutally defeat Syrian rebels, Henry Kissinger deserves 10 times as much for orchestrating the bombing slaughter of perhaps a quarter million Cambodians and paving the way for the Khmer Rouge genocide that killed 1.7 million people.

If any accused war criminal at an airport is fair game, then there are a lot of people in D.C. and Northern Virginia who better start traveling by train or ship.

Indeed, the Quds Force itself was originally created during the Iran-Iraq War, which was started by a heavily U.S.-backed Saddam Hussein in 1980. A million Iranians died in the grueling eight-year conflict. And the reason the Islamic Republic exists in the first place is because the United States and Britain toppled Iran's fledgling democracy in 1953 and installed a brutal dictator.

It is not exactly hard to understand why Iran — like about every other country in the Middle East — keeps some brutal, hard people like Soleimani around. It's a violent, unstable neighborhood, and war is an unavoidable reality. And no country is more responsible for that fact than the United States.

[BRoswell]

This about sums it up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdf8UvkjUbc

[allegate]

You would think this Iran shit would help the Dems out, but old man Biden is gonna get the nomination, and we will get 4 more years of Trump and its going to take the economy crashing again and 10k+ dead troops before people finally wake up and realize supporting any Republican for president is in reality supporting the same old shit they have always stood for. Big business, the ultra wealthy, pro war, voter suppression, less rights for us and more rights for special interests. (just like in 2004).

as long as "their" rights are oppressed and "their" vote is suppressed those voters don't care about the rest.

https://twitter.com/blakesmustache/status/1213486665139937282

[cdm]

Statement from John Bolton (emphasis mine):


Accordingly, since my testimony is once again at issue, I have had to resolve the serious competing issues as best I could, based on careful consideration and study. I have concluded that, if the Senate issues a subpoena for my testimony, I am prepared to testify.

https://www.boltonpac.com/2020/01/statement-of-john-r-bolton/

I'm not going to be foolish enough to think this will sway any minds BUT if any minds are to be swayed his testimony may do it.

[allegro]

Statement from John Bolton (emphasis mine):



https://www.boltonpac.com/2020/01/statement-of-john-r-bolton/

I'm not going to be foolish enough to think this will sway any minds BUT if any minds are to be swayed his testimony may do it.

Attacking Iran has been Bolton’s wet dream since 1979. This is his porno. Trump has delivered the goods to Bolton. Bolton knows that the Senate won’t call witnesses, so this is empty bullshit. Now that Bolton is getting what he wants (Iran revenge), he’d commit perjury before he’d sell out the guy who handed Bolton his fantasy.

[cdm]

...he’d commit perjury before he’d sell out the guy who handed Bolton his fantasy.

Cool. The House Intel Committee should issue a subpoena and let him do just that.

[allegate]

so they can stand around asking who should enforce something? because that's their MO so far.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1215320817975906305

[Sarah K]

So, how about them putting Yovanovitch under surveillance and trying to put a fucking hit out on her (https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20200114_-_hpsci_transmittal_letter_to_hjc_-_new_evidence_attachment.pdf)?

Shit is more like a movie every day.

[sweeterthan]

So, how about them putting Yovanovitch under surveillance and trying to put a fucking hit out on her (https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20200114_-_hpsci_transmittal_letter_to_hjc_-_new_evidence_attachment.pdf)?

Shit is more like a movie every day.

Unbelievable. Tracking her movements. Thugs.


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[Jinsai]

House has just finally sent the formal articles of impeachment to the senate

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/BookBoy1268/status/1217335473938542594

[sweeterthan]

I think he’s spelling it like trump says it
congressssssss

All kidding aside, Hyde is going to end up in jail. He doesn’t seem too slick in his tweets.


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[allegro]

Parnas on Maddow ... OH MY GOD, we have the smoking gun.

Parnas is burning THE WHOLE PLACE DOWN!!!

Nunes, Barr, Hyde, Bolton, Trump, Giuliani, BURNED.

[halo eighteen]

Parnas on Maddow ... OH MY GOD, we have the smoking gun.

Parnas is burning THE WHOLE PLACE DOWN!!!

Nunes, Barr, Hyde, Bolton, Trump, Giuliani, BURNED.

I wish I was as optimistic that anything mattered anymore.

[allegro]

I wish I was as optimistic that anything mattered anymore.

Lev is bringing the mothafuckin RECEIPTS!!!

[Sarah K]

I'm only about 20 minutes in but his lawyer's smug look/death glare at Maddow is KILLING me.

[M1ke]

His associates are starting to turn on him now. Trump only is where he is because of his enablers.

Parnas talking could be a turning point.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/478524-parnas-alleges-trump-threatened-to-withhold-more-than-just-ukraine


Parnas unleashed a slew of new accusations against the president, including that he, as a representative of Trump, gave Ukrainian officials a “very harsh message” that the U.S. would cut off all aid to the country if it did not announce an investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden (https://thehill.com/people/joe-biden).“The message was: It wasn’t just military aid. It was all aid,” he told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow (https://thehill.com/people/rachel-maddow). “Basically the relationship would be sour. We would stop giving them any kind of aid.”

[allegro]

https://twitter.com/mysterysolvent/status/1217645122852151297?s=21

https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1217652965974081536?s=21

https://twitter.com/mysterysolvent/status/1217637249359261696?s=21

https://twitter.com/mysterysolvent/status/1217646011851644928?s=21


“President Pelosi” is trending on Twitter.

[allegro]

I'm only about 20 minutes in but his lawyer's smug look/death glare at Maddow is KILLING me.

From side angles, it looks like he’s looking over her shoulder at something. It also looks like he’s going to nod off sometimes lol. The dude never blinks.

[M1ke]

So, I was curious, if Trump is removed, and Pence is also implicated and removed, next in line is Nancy Pelosi.......

I mean, I know we're talking far-fetched here, but one can dream, right? 1st female president? Who put their bets on that one???

[allegro]

So, I was curious, if Trump is removed, and Pence is also implicated and removed, next in line is Nancy Pelosi.......

I mean, I know we're talking far-fetched here, but one can dream, right? 1st female president? Who put their bets on that one???

Many Trumpers are claiming that this is the Dem’s evil plan. (“Coup.”)

Technically, it’s likely to be possible only if the Pres and VP die in a plane crash or something. Because, as what happened with Agnew and then Nixon, the impeachment process is separate; if Trump gets removed or resigns, the VP immediately becomes President and selects a new VP. If Pence is then impeached and removed, Pence’s VP becomes President.

With Nixon, Agnew resigned and then Nixon made Ford his new VP, then Nixon resigned, then Ford became President (and he was not elected at all).

[Sarah K]

If that was what Parnas was willing to give up during the first part of the interview, I wonder what the second part has in store. Also, he is calculating and careful. If this is what he's willing to talk about, imagine everything he actually knows. He is smart enough to hang on to critical information to save himself later.

I totally expected the lawyer to interject and shut down answers the entire time, and he never did. Fucking incredible.

We are unbelievably fortunate to have Rachel Maddow right now.

[theimage13]

Government Accountability Office determines that OMB broke the law by withholding aid to Ukraine

PDF of the memo (https://www.gao.gov/assets/710/703909.pdf)

NYT piece (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/16/us/politics/gao-trump-ukraine.html) (basically every outlet is covering it; just happened to have this tab open)

[allegate]

has anyone actually defined what a "perfect phone call" is? because at this point it's almost "I love lamp!" levels of discourse.

[allegro]

Heh heh

https://twitter.com/funder/status/1217937592102146050?s=21

[allegro]

has anyone actually defined what a "perfect phone call" is? because at this point it's almost "I love lamp!" levels of discourse.

https://twitter.com/mattoswaltva/status/1217920930837495808?s=21

[Mantra]

The greatest phone call I ever made was a 9.7, but that was back when I was in my prime. Nowadays my best calls are in the high eights.

[theimage13]

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/474134260149157888 (https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/474134260149157888?lang=en)

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1217909231946477575

[chuckrh]

i think he is going to win again. be afraid, be very afraid.

[ickyvicky]

"Reporters Battle New Restrictions in Trying to Cover Senate Impeachment Trial"

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/17/797126423/reporters-battle-new-restrictions-in-trying-to-cover-senate-impeachment-trial

[Mantra]

Fucking Ken Starr and Alan Dershowitz. lol

[Kodiak33]

Even more proof of Trump being unfit for office. Horrendous article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-book-portrays-trump-as-erratic-at-times-dangerously-uninformed/2020/01/15/4d45bf44-370f-11ea-a01d-b7cc8ec1a85d_story.html (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-book-portrays-trump-as-erratic-at-times-dangerously-uninformed/2020/01/15/4d45bf44-370f-11ea-a01d-b7cc8ec1a85d_story.html&sa=D&source=hangouts&ust=1579370605523000&usg=AFQjCNF5GLITkqnKpdbF_javReZm9Kk_fA)

[theimage13]

I have always considered myself a pacifist and am averse to physical confrontation, but listening to these people stand before the senate and say "the president was locked out and never given a chance to defend himself, so this is a biased case" is filling me with a fury I've never felt before and has brought me to understand why some people move past civil disobedience and just get outright violent.

[theimage13]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/recording-appears-capture-trump-private-dinner-ukraine-ambassador/story?id=68506437

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/orinkerr/status/1220573085423689728

that seems fair and rationale.

[thelastdisciple]

The U.S needs a serious intervention and sadly I'm not sure an election's going to do it.

[theimage13]

Analysis that paints a pretty damning picture that Trump assassinated Soleimani just so he could make money in the markets. (https://www.salon.com/2020/01/26/are-trump-and-his-circle-manipulating-the-markets-for-personal-gain-heres-the-evidence/)

Which points to this infuriating thing that flew under my radar: the JPMorgan Volfefe Index (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-09/jpmorgan-creates-volfefe-index-to-track-trump-tweet-impact) - yes, a real thing - that tracks market moves in relation to Trump's tweets. It's pretty much undeniable that he is guilty of a life sentence's worth of financial crimes just during his presidency alone.

[thelastdisciple]

Some damning info from Bolton's book draft just dropped via the New York Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/us/politics/trump-bolton-book-ukraine.html

[richardp]

Quite telling how Trump's tweets about Kobe are how he should have responded following every mass shooting, hurricane, etc. over the past 3 years, but yet, he saves his actual nobility if you can even call it that for the death of a major celebrity.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/MrJonCryer/status/1221918486269579264

[richardp]

God I can't even imagine how embarrassing this fucking bullshit trial must look for us in other parts of the world.

[DF118]

Please someone tell me if I'm misunderstanding, but Dershowitz's argument seems to boil down to:

1: What Trump did wasn't bad enough to merit impeachment because "misdemeanors" is ill-defined, and:
2: Well, other Presidents have been accused of abuse of power but you didn't impeach them, huh.

Both of these are really weak. Relying on semantics and such.

Edit: He's also arguing that it's cool he's changed his mind about all this in the past 20 years, because nothing matters anyway except the inexorable slide unto heat death.

[Jinsai]

Please someone tell me if I'm misunderstanding, but Dershowitz's argument seems to boil down to:

1: What Trump did wasn't bad enough to merit impeachment because "misdemeanors" is ill-defined, and:
2: Well, other Presidents have been accused of abuse of power but you didn't impeach them, huh.

Both of these are really weak. Relying on semantics and such.

Edit: He's also arguing that it's cool he's changed his mind about all this in the past 20 years, because nothing matters anyway except the inexorable slide unto heat death.

I can't keep up anymore.... I gotta keep from clawing my face off

[allegro]

I can't keep up anymore.... I gotta keep from clawing my face off

Having been in law, I’d think I’d gravitate toward this. But I haven’t watched one single second of it. I stopped engaging in any of it on Twitter. I’ve taken myself out of it.

[theruiner]

Even more proof of Trump being unfit for office. Horrendous article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-book-portrays-trump-as-erratic-at-times-dangerously-uninformed/2020/01/15/4d45bf44-370f-11ea-a01d-b7cc8ec1a85d_story.html (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-book-portrays-trump-as-erratic-at-times-dangerously-uninformed/2020/01/15/4d45bf44-370f-11ea-a01d-b7cc8ec1a85d_story.html&sa=D&source=hangouts&ust=1579370605523000&usg=AFQjCNF5GLITkqnKpdbF_javReZm9Kk_fA)

I heard the Fresh Air interview with the authors and it was absolutely horrifying. I still can't wrap my head around how someone this unqualified, ignorant, immature and just fucking dumb somehow managed to become president. It boggles the mind.

[versusreality]

I heard the Fresh Air interview with the authors and it was absolutely horrifying. I still can't wrap my head around how someone this unqualified, ignorant, immature and just fucking dumb somehow managed to become president. It boggles the mind.

because there are a lot of americans who are unfortunately also unqualified, ignorant, immature, and fucking dumb.

[allegate]

Trump allies are handing out cash to black voters (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/29/trump-black-voters-cash-giveaways-108072)

sure, why not.

[allegate]

is the White House prone to issuing 'formal' threats or is this new?

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1222565674163363842

[Jinsai]

Trump allies are handing out cash to black voters (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/29/trump-black-voters-cash-giveaways-108072)

sure, why not.

This is one of those things that instinctively feels like "that should be illegal" but then immediately you realize there's no law that would make it illegal, despite it sucking so very flagrantly.

[allegate]

is that not what most of this presidency has been about, realizing that there are scores of things that should be illegal and finding out that they aren't?

I mean that beyond the obvious illegalities of course. between the two paying any sort of attention to this madness is difficult.

[allegate]

This is one of those things that instinctively feels like "that should be illegal" but then immediately you realize there's no law that would make it illegal, despite it sucking so very flagrantly.
there is some good, maybe? Possibly?

https://twitter.com/VICE/status/1222572631842598918

[richardp]

there is some good, maybe? Possibly?

https://twitter.com/VICE/status/1222572631842598918

I'm sure Dershowitz would argue that it's not against the law and that handing out bags of money to get Trump reelected is perfectly fine because it's in the nations best interest to continue having Trump as our great and fearless king.

[DF118]

This has gotten very scary. Dershowitz has argued that Trump can do whatever he wants if it's in the service of winning re-election, under the assumption this is in the public interest (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/29/impeachment-q-and-a-moments-that-mattered-109272). He's backtracked on Twitter and claimed his comments have been distorted by the EVIL FAKE MEDIA, however it's likely given republicans (those who don't think he went too far) an excuse to rally behind.

Which means when Trump is acquitted, he'll be able to cite this in future wrongdoing. It would also seemingly un-impeach Nixon.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/ejeancarroll/status/1222939154700537856

there's another dress! man, this impeachment is just like the last one.

[allegro]

It would also seemingly un-impeach Nixon.

Nixon wasn’t impeached. He resigned before the House voted on Articles of Impeachment.

Dershowitz’s shitty argument won’t set precedent.

[allegro]

E. Jean Carroll’s attorneys have had the dress she was wearing when she was sexually assaulted by Donald Trump tested for DNA.

They have the DNA.

Now the have subpoenaed Donald Trump for his DNA.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/30/trump-dna-sought/

[elevenism]

E. Jean Carroll’s attorneys have had the dress she was wearing when she was sexually assaulted by Donald Trump tested for DNA.

They have the DNA.

Now the have subpoenaed Donald Trump for his DNA.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/30/trump-dna-sought/
No "acid phosphatase activity" means no proof of semen, though, unless I'm misreading this

[allegro]

No "acid phosphatase activity" means no proof of semen, though, unless I'm misreading this


The lab noted that acid phosphatase activity, a “presumptive indication of the presence of semen,” was not detected.

Not sure what that means to a civil case. Men don’t always ejaculate when they sexually assault.

Probably moot, because Trump isn’t ever gonna give up his DNA.

[Magnetic]

Sounds right. But, if there were enough skin cells to get a DNA sample (which you need a fair amount for if you don't have semen), that would confirm he was awfully up close and personal. It could have been saliva as well.

But, I agree, he'll never give a DNA sample.

[allegate]

and why can't someone take one? oh right, fake hair.

[Magnetic]

I think for prosecuting logistics it has to be voluntary or court ordered. Sure, you could nab a sample and confirm, but you couldn't prosecute unless it was done according to procedure.

[ryanmcfly]

I think for prosecuting logistics it has to be voluntary or court ordered. Sure, you could nab a sample and confirm, but you couldn't prosecute unless it was done according to procedure.

Even if they had a full DNA match, they couldn't prosecute because the statute of limitations has passed i think. Could be wrong though.

[allegro]

Even if they had a full DNA match, they couldn't prosecute because the statute of limitations has passed i think. Could be wrong though.

This isn’t a criminal suit.

Even with civil, DNA (or ANY discovery) must be court-ordered (meaning: parties request it but then the court approves it and then orders it).

[allegate]

you are all ruining a perfectly cromulent joke.

[ryanmcfly]

This isn’t a criminal suit.

Even with civil, DNA (or ANY discovery) must be court-ordered (meaning: parties request it but then the court approves it and then orders it).

Yes, but civil suits don't involve prosecution though is my point.

[allegro]

you are all ruining a perfectly cromulent joke.

I think people’s minds also went to bullshit CSI episodes of swiping his drinking glass or toothbrush.

[allegro]

Yes, but civil suits don't involve prosecution though is my point.

They couldn’t even arrest him because of the old statute (pre 2006, see link below).

DNA doesn’t help prosecution “logistics.” It just helps (or doesn’t) convince a jury. OJ Simpson, for instance.

Juries are the key in both criminal and civil. Except criminals have the option of a bench trial in criminal. But I digress.

This particular case is a defamation case.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/e-jean-carroll-sued-trump-defamation-last-resort-blame-statute-ncna1077321

[ryanmcfly]

Well, you used the words “prosecuting logistics” and I didn’t know why.

DNA doesn’t help prosecuting logistics, it just helps (or doesn’t) convince a jury. OJ Simpson, for instance.

Juries are the key in both criminal and civil. Except criminals have the option of a bench trial in criminal. But I digress.

This particular case is a defamation case.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/e-jean-carroll-sued-trump-defamation-last-resort-blame-statute-ncna1077321

I literally never used the phrase "prosecuting logistics." I was just pointing out that they could not prosecute (criminal charges) because of the statute of limitations. However, I did see that they extended the statute of limitations for certain instances of sexual assault in New york in 2019, so I'm not sure of the qualifications for that.

[allegro]

I literally never used the phrase "prosecuting logistics." I was just pointing out that they could not prosecute (criminal charges) because of the statute of limitations. However, I did see that they extended the statute of limitations for certain instances of sexual assault in New york in 2019, so I'm not sure of the qualifications for that.

Sorry, I am reading on an iPhone and this convo is moving way too fast in a weird direction and I didn’t grok. You were right, he misused the term “prosecuting.” I was editing as I was trying to understand who said what and why. In between the silly DNA-stealing stuff.

Trump won’t even give up his financials or tax returns. I suspect he’ll only give up his DNA under penalty of death.

But it sure is hilarious seeing the possibilities.

[allegate]

Sorry, I am reading on an iPhone and this convo is moving way too fast in a weird direction and I didn’t grok. You were right, he misused the term “prosecuting.” I was editing as I was trying to understand who said what and why. In between the silly DNA-stealing stuff.

Trump won’t even give up his financials or tax returns. I suspect he’ll only give up his DNA under penalty of death.

But it sure is hilarious seeing the possibilities.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/284/922/0e3.png

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/NPRinskeep/status/1223308592079671298


I had to check the article because people like to make fake quotes as a interpretation of what was said but no, he actually said that.

[Kodiak33]

Well it doesn't matter anymore, they don't have the votes for witnesses...which is complete bullshit.

[allegate]

Yeah, this is going to be a depressing next few months. and you know the Democrats who are still running will find a way to fuck it up between the infighting and stupid decisions they keep making on an individual basis.

neverminding the media and their insistence on clicks over information.

[DF118]

Nixon wasn’t impeached. He resigned before the House voted on Articles of Impeachment.

Dershowitz’s shitty argument won’t set precedent.

Regarding Nixon, I know, I was admittedly being hyperbolic. Interesting Dershowitz wasn't present the next day, too.

[Jinsai]

Adam Schiff is kicking major ass right about now

[theimage13]

Adam Schiff is kicking major ass right about now

Adam Schiff is speaking to the world's biggest echo chamber. No one who needs to HEAR his words is listening. Everyone who is thirsty for justice is just being told what they already know.

Don't get me wrong - I love what he's been saying. But it's hard for me to call it "kicking ass" when nothing is actually happening as a result of his words.

[allegate]

I'll have you know I don't actually like this post, but I do begrudgingly accept it's message.

[Conan The Barbarian]

I'd say vote, but Russian might have a say in that.

[DF118]

My respect for Susan Collins has gone up a fraction. But I'm pretty sure she calculated her vote knowing the motion would be defeated anyway after running the numbers.

Anyway, that's it for impeachment.

[theimage13]

My respect for Susan Collins has gone up a fraction. But I'm pretty sure she calculated her vote knowing the motion would be defeated anyway after running the numbers.

Anyway, that's it for impeachment.

No respect for her at all. I fully believe what I've been reading - whether it's called this or not - regarding her getting a "hall pass". The gist of it: party leadership knows that some of their own are on thin ice and might need to break ranks in order to save their own asses. So once leadership KNOWS that they have all the votes they need, they give permission to those who need it and allow them to break ranks without immediately turning on them and torching their careers.

Fuck Susan Collins and every GOP senator.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/YAppelbaum/status/1223353974088257539

yay.

ಠ_ಠ

[richardp]

Cool.

Can't wait for Trump's SOTU address where he will undoubtedly use it to boast about being untouchable and to basically give the Hitler-esque speach he's always dreamed of.

[Jinsai]

Adam Schiff is speaking to the world's biggest echo chamber. No one who needs to HEAR his words is listening. Everyone who is thirsty for justice is just being told what they already know.

Don't get me wrong - I love what he's been saying. But it's hard for me to call it "kicking ass" when nothing is actually happening as a result of his words.

Don't get me wrong! I know. He just sounds pissed, authentic, and he's saying what I'm thinking. I know it doesn't affect anything real, but it's "kicking major ass" for me, and I think he'll have some highlight reels in the history books.

[Wretchedest]

I dont think we will have any real elections going forward.

They stole a seat om the supreme Court, then they stole another and handed to a rapist. They've repeatedly tried to undermine fair voting, and then done everything they could to protect election interference.

Democracy is dead. Leave now if you can.

[richardp]

Democracy is dead. Leave now if you can.

Sure feels like it, but let's at least wait until November to make that call. Maybe we'll get lucky and there will be a definite backlash at the polls. Keep in mind just how many people turned 18 just since the midterms.

[allegro]

https://twitter.com/clairecmc/status/1224171718274625536?s=21

[allegate]

Will Lamar Alexander’s Warning Restrain Trump? (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/lamar-alexanders-gambit/605986/)


“Hopefully he won’t do that again.”

You wasted your vote on 'hope'?

[sweeterthan]

Alexander is a coward just like all the republicans towing the party line


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[allegate]

https://twitter.com/petridishes/status/1224822017217716230


https://media.tenor.com/images/1b90b20b84c2d0751f92ba9441862b2c/tenor.gif


https://media.tenor.com/images/ac258833fbb57564dabd0bfc37bea405/tenor.gif


I hope you lose so bad you have to retire to a different country.

[Sarah K]

1224897851303628801

The way she taps it to straighten it out before she rips it kills me.

[tony.parente]

1224897851303628801

The way she taps it to straighten it out before she rips it kills me.
We don’t deserve Nancy. Holy fuck that big dick energy.

[bobbie solo]

Nancy Pelosi actually sucks as speaker overall if you believe in any actual lefty politics. Cannot wait for her to step down soon.

That being said, she knows exactly what to do in these situations to get under Trump's skin and also steal back some of the news cycle/narrative from that piece of shit. Well done.

[Balthier]

Watching that woman tearing up a speech like that summarize the left for me: Childish, trying to act badass (she had to tear it up in batches), angry teenage-like hissy fits, will get tons of likes from millenials. Meanwhile, grown ups, people with jobs will just roll their eyes and vote for whoever is running against them, just because they are sick of this childish behavior.

I'm not a right-winger but watching the left become this sad movement of teenagers with utopic dreams and worshippers of Communist tyrants is a sad sight. These people are on their path to become irrelevant. Even a stupid old fart like Trump can beat them. It's pathetic. Better leave the bubble before it explodes.

[Sarah K]

I don’t agree with Pelosi on many things. But I posted on fb last night that we are endlessly lucky that we had her to lead in such a calculating and intelligent way over the last year.

She refocused the SOTU from the propaganda presented into this. She knows exactly what the fuck she is doing.

Can’t wait to start reading the books and watching the documentaries that will detail her masterful handling of this entire shitshow.

[sweeterthan]

If that was a fit, it’s the calmest fit I’ve ever seen. Pelosi owning trump two years in a row now just with her presence.

[tony.parente]

Watching that woman tearing up a speech like that summarize the left for me: Childish, trying to act badass (she had to tear it up in batches), angry teenage-like hissy fits, will get tons of likes from millenials. Meanwhile, grown ups, people with jobs will just roll their eyes and vote for whoever is running against them, just because they are sick of this childish behavior.

I'm not a right-winger but watching the left become this sad movement of teenagers with utopic dreams and worshippers of Communist tyrants is a sad sight. These people are on their path to become irrelevant. Even a stupid old fart like Trump can beat them. It's pathetic. Better leave the bubble before it explodes.

https://media.tenor.com/images/583fa8d204345130b594d6bcdd1e93bb/tenor.gif

[Sarah K]

"that woman"

[M1ke]

I love it....I haven't heard anything about what the orange moron said in his speech. The only thing that has made the news is Pelosi's dismissal of it without a word needing to be said.

We all need to stop listening to the idiot and just throw whatever he says in the garbage without a second thought, exactly as Nancy did last night.

Trump is a worthless child screaming for attention. I hope whoever runs against him goes to one of the debates, waits for him to finish and then just responds with "Awww.....muffin" and then ignores whatever he said to bring the debate to a decent level.

[snaapz]

So, I may have watched a couple state of the unions in the past with other presidents. I live in Canada. I don't follow politics too closely.

I saw it on last night so my wife and I watched it.

Listening to Trump talk and the things he says is very inspiring. He recognized several people in the audience and seems to have no prejudice against race or gender in regards to the recognition and the accomplishments made over the past 3 years.

So... I watched it and think to myself wow what an amazing country and president.


Are all of the statements and facts he said lies? And why is Trump such a "scumbag"?

[tony.parente]

Trump is up to 23 tweets about Pelosi before 10am central time this morning lolllllll

[halo eighteen]

Trump is up to 23 tweets about Pelosi before 10am central time this morning lolllllll

Wouldn't a normal person have succumbed to the sheer amount of blood pressure that Trump has by now? He can't be human.

[Haysey_Draws]

Wouldn't a normal person have succumbed to the sheer amount of blood pressure that Trump has by now? He can't be human.

I was already under the assumption he wasn't human, but in fact a soggy cheeto in disguise.

[theimage13]

So, I may have watched a couple state of the unions in the past with other presidents. I live in Canada. I don't follow politics too closely.

I saw it on last night so my wife and I watched it.

Listening to Trump talk and the things he says is very inspiring. He recognized several people in the audience and seems to have no prejudice against race or gender in regards to the recognition and the accomplishments made over the past 3 years.

So... I watched it and think to myself wow what an amazing country and president.


Are all of the statements and facts he said lies? And why is Trump such a "scumbag"?

Stole millions from charity. Bragged about sexually assaulting women. Broke election laws by paying a pornstar to not talk about fucking him (while his wife was pregnant too, if I recall). Has called for the lynching of African American citizens who were acquitted. Gets into playground bully fights on Twitter with world leaders. Created a fake school to scam millions out of naive students. Pays doctors to lie about his health. Stiffs the people he hires to work for him and doesn’t pay for the jobs they complete. Has admitted he would like to sleep with his daughter.

sorry, I’d write more but I’m on my phone and I hate typing like this.

[Sarah K]

Are all of the statements and facts he said lies? And why is Trump such a "scumbag"?

Yes. Almost always. And the list is endless.

This is why it is so important to have people speak up against this propaganda - people actually believe it.

[tony.parente]

Note: All those people he brought up were literally token POCs used to try to get the minority vote and it was pretty horrific seeing him use them like that.

[halo eighteen]

Let's not forget his giving the Medal of Freedom honor to a man who has been outwardly racist for decades, even calling our former president Barack the Magic Negro. If ever there's a person horribly unqualified to receive an award of that nature, it's fucking that right there.

[sweeterthan]

No amount of cancer will make Limbaugh worthy of the honor. Trump is using his diagnosis for his own benefit just like he uses everyone.


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[Haysey_Draws]

I'm not an american and a quick look at his twitter feed more then highlights how much of a scumbag he is. Judging him on a quick speech written by an experienced PR team paid to make him look as good as possible and stretch any truth to mars and back isn't advisable.

[cdm]

The way she taps it to straighten it out before she rips it kills me.

I particularly like the "Fuck everything about this shit" toss of the ripped papers at the very end.

[allegate]

So, I may have watched a couple state of the unions in the past with other presidents. I live in Canada. I don't follow politics too closely.

I saw it on last night so my wife and I watched it.

Listening to Trump talk and the things he says is very inspiring. He recognized several people in the audience and seems to have no prejudice against race or gender in regards to the recognition and the accomplishments made over the past 3 years.

So... I watched it and think to myself wow what an amazing country and president.


Are all of the statements and facts he said lies? And why is Trump such a "scumbag"?
I honestly don't know what to say or even where to start. It's been 3.5 years of constant media stream and coverage and he was impeached for God's sake.
Let's not forget his giving the Medal of Freedom honor to a man who has been outwardly racist for decades, even calling our former president Barack the Magic Negro. If ever there's a person horribly unqualified to receive an award of that nature, it's fucking that right there.
there's a new guy here who I've been getting along with famously. today he mentioned he watched the SOTU and that he enjoyed it, especially them giving Limbaugh that medal. I was aghast, because everything about this guy has been pretty sane and measured and centrist. but telling me he listens to him every day was wild.

he's still sane and measured and centrist, and I appreciate that, but it's just so weird knowing that and also knowing he listens to Rush. I'm surprised that's even possible at this point in this political landscape.

[cdm]

Are all of the statements and facts he said lies? And why is Trump such a "scumbag"?


He lies constantly. Partly because he's dishonest and only cares about himself and his family's wealth, real or perceived. The other times he just makes shit up because he doesn't know shit about shit so he wings it. Or he regurgitates literal conspiracies / propaganda he hears on Fox News, sometimes verbatim. Literally. Some of the batshit things he tweets can be traced back to a Fox News segment 10 or 15 minutes prior. This is the type of shit we expect from Chuck Woolery or James Woods...not from the President of the fucking United States.

He was a main antagonist with the birther conspiracy. He's used his presidency to undo Obama's legacy for spite. It's deranged.

Scumbag is too polite a descriptor.

[ekrekel]

Listening to Trump talk and the things he says is very inspiring. He recognized several people in the audience and seems to have no prejudice against race or gender in regards to the recognition and the accomplishments made over the past 3 years.

So... I watched it and think to myself wow what an amazing country and president.

Are all of the statements and facts he said lies? And why is Trump such a "scumbag"?

There are many groups doing fact checking on his claims. This breakdown (https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/) seems pretty digestible and backed up by research. I haven't read about the SoTU analysis (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/04/fact-checking-president-trumps-2020-state-union-address/) yet, but I've no doubt the claims followed a similar bell curve centering around mostly false.

The problem is his base takes everything he says as fact. If they were facts perhaps you're right he's great and there's no prejudice. Unfortunately, it seems much more likely that he is propping those people up as examples of how he's helped certain demographics that may be helpful in the election. All presidents have done this, but it seems particularly disingenuous coming from him.


Wouldn't a normal person have succumbed to the sheer amount of blood pressure that Trump has by now? He can't be human. (https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/)

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6d/cc/eb/6dcceb0c4b358e24376dac74f0cf5692.jpg

[allegro]

I don’t think a lot of people understand what a Speaker of the House really is, does, or how they got there.

[ryanmcfly]

And why is Trump such a "scumbag"?

Trump is a scumbag for a litany of reasons. For instance, Reason number 136 is that he took out a one page op ed saying that the Central Park Five should be executed. They were later acquitted due to DNA evidence and someone confessing to the crime (whose DNA matched the crime scene.) Trump still refuses to admit that it was a mistake to jail them as teenagers and will still say that they were bad people.

[snaapz]

Thanks for all the replies, we do get CNN here and it's pretty much 24/7 TRUMP SHOW... but I don't watch it.

I appreciate everyone's time and info provided!!

[ekrekel]

Thanks for all the replies, we do get CNN here and it's pretty much 24/7 TRUMP SHOW... but I don't watch it.

I appreciate everyone's time and info provided!!

American politics has become sporting event. Everyone loves their team hates the other team so much they don't care at all about what their team is actually doing. The TV networks have joined in. Fox is pure Trump, MSNBC is seemingly the opposing equivalent. CNN is certainly left leaning, but I don't believe it to be the Antichrist it is portrayed to be.


Linky (https://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2018/02/28/Photos/NS/MW-GE557_MediaB_20180228115701_NS.jpg?uuid=659e15a6-1ca8-11e8-83b2-9c8e992d421e)to chart grading various media outlets vs political leaning and level of facts vs opinion in their reporting.

[halo eighteen]

American politics has become sporting event. Everyone loves their team hates the other team so much they don't care at all about what their team is actually doing. The TV networks have joined in. Fox is pure Trump, MSNBC is seemingly the opposing equivalent. CNN is certainly left leaning, but I don't believe it to be the Antichrist it is portrayed to be.

It kind of blows my mind that reporting on facts (like Trump's lies, which are factual) is somehow demonstrative of being liberal media, or fake news, or even merely leaning to a certain side... but I guess that's the current state of where we've ended up.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/petridishes/status/1224822017217716230


https://media.tenor.com/images/1b90b20b84c2d0751f92ba9441862b2c/tenor.gif


https://media.tenor.com/images/ac258833fbb57564dabd0bfc37bea405/tenor.gif


I hope you lose so bad you have to retire to a different country.
https://twitter.com/GreggWGME/status/1225146095690489857

there's that word again, "hope".

[allegate]

Poor Mitt, RIP.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQCnWQmWoAYBUyf?format=jpg&name=small

[allegro]

Props to Romney. First time any Senator has crossed party lines in any Presidential impeachment.

https://youtu.be/2TbONos-oE8

[allegro]

Note that Romney voted Guilty in Article I (Abuse of Power) but Not Guilty in Article II (Obstruction of Congress).

I had to talk my Mom off a ledge the other day due to all this, reminding her that a President Pence wouldn’t have changed one damned thing.

[halo eighteen]

Note that Romney voted Guilty in Article I (Abuse of Power) but Not Guilty in Article II (Obstruction of Congress).

I had to talk my Mom off a ledge the other day due to all this, reminding her that a President Pence wouldn’t have changed one damned thing.

One could argue that a President Pence would be even worse. There was really ultimately no good solution here. November is and has always been what matters, yeah.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/PFTompkins/status/1225193558509965312

[somewhat_]

One could argue that a President Pence would be even worse. There was really ultimately no good solution here. November is and has always been what matters, yeah.

Policy wise, you’re probably right. But Trump still should have been removed for his high crimes - the precedence this has set is alarming. You could also argue, though, that If time was on our side and things could’ve been investigated thoroughly, that Pence would/should also be impeached for his role.

[sweeterthan]

Pence has already been implicated in the abuse of power. The house should impeach him next.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/12/01/impeachment-inquiry-how-much-did-mike-pence-know-ukraine-concerns/4307439002/

[allegate]

It is absurd to suggest that the president threatened to retaliate against any republican senator who-
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1225203837226700800

well there you go. ignore the recall tweets because you can't do that to a senator.

[allegate]

Pence has already been implicated in the abuse of power. The house should impeach him next.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/12/01/impeachment-inquiry-how-much-did-mike-pence-know-ukraine-concerns/4307439002/

that would be delicious. I wonder if Trump, known for tossing people like so much garbage, would even be OK with that so he could pick a new VP?

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/marcusdipaola/status/1225155808062844936

Jesus. it's like he hits every button in the conspiracy theory bingo. I hope for his sake that he's doing this from a healthy mental space because it doesn't sound right. it's just a lot to take in if true, especially after the past two weeks.

[Kodiak33]

So, I may have watched a couple state of the unions in the past with other presidents. I live in Canada. I don't follow politics too closely.

I saw it on last night so my wife and I watched it.

Listening to Trump talk and the things he says is very inspiring. He recognized several people in the audience and seems to have no prejudice against race or gender in regards to the recognition and the accomplishments made over the past 3 years.

So... I watched it and think to myself wow what an amazing country and president.


Are all of the statements and facts he said lies? And why is Trump such a "scumbag"?

Try reading this and you'll probably see.

https://twitter.com/ddale8 (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://twitter.com/ddale8&sa=D&source=hangouts&ust=1581100123095000&usg=AFQjCNEDj36MyS_WP9_g1FpeEWrzyrLGwA)

[Patrick_Nicholas]

So, what did we learn about the GOP yesterday? If the Kavanaugh shitstorm apparently didn't make it obvious, 99% of the GOP voting to let Trump off should pretty much spell out that they're going to stick up for Trump no matter what. No matter what evidence pops up, the most of them are simply going to keep pretending it isn't there. We need to make sure to flip the Senate in November because that's pretty much the only way any meaningful progress can be made now.

[richardp]

Try reading this and you'll probably see.

https://twitter.com/ddale8 (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://twitter.com/ddale8&sa=D&source=hangouts&ust=1581100123095000&usg=AFQjCNEDj36MyS_WP9_g1FpeEWrzyrLGwA)

Jesus fucking CHRIST. WHAT!? WHAT THE FUCK!?!? He's sitting here openly talking shit on this motherfucker for taking a bullet in extreme detail and the entire room is fucking laughing!?!?

Dude these fucking people are GENUINELY fucking evil as fuck.

[theimage13]

So: Vindman was fired for complying with a subpoena. Sure seems illegal (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1513). (Don't even get me started on the firing of his BROTHER. That's some crazy North Korean shit right there.)

Madam Speaker, are you up for filing additional articles of impeachment? If he's going to keep breaking the law, we should just keep impeaching him. Will it solve anything? No. But is putting him on trial for illegal behavior still the right thing to do? I would hope so.

[richardp]

Sondland fired too

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/ChaseMit/status/1225967578603868160

[M1ke]

Madam Speaker, are you up for filing additional articles of impeachment? If he's going to keep breaking the law, we should just keep impeaching him. Will it solve anything? No. But is putting him on trial for illegal behavior still the right thing to do? I would hope so.

I like that idea. Make him the first president in history to be impeached more than once.

[ltrandazzo]

So: Vindman was fired for complying with a subpoena. Sure seems illegal (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1513). (Don't even get me started on the firing of his BROTHER. That's some crazy North Korean shit right there.)

Madam Speaker, are you up for filing additional articles of impeachment? If he's going to keep breaking the law, we should just keep impeaching him. Will it solve anything? No. But is putting him on trial for illegal behavior still the right thing to do? I would hope so.

Gonna send you over to Brian Beutler - Keep The Impeachment Inquiry Alive - https://crooked.com/articles/keep-the-impeachment-inquiry-alive/

[theimage13]

Sent out a feeler on Facebook the other day to see if any of my friends could offer a justification for last week's events (Rush medal, firings). The only reply I got was (and I quote, grammar and all): "read the news thats how I found out ;)"

I guess that's a no then. (Guy who posted it is a die-hard Trumper who, when we were on business in Asia, was all too keen to brag about how we have this fantastic president who loves to make fun of losers, "and we call those losers Democrats". I hate that I have to rely on the guy's unparalleled expertise in his technical field in order to get out of jams once in a great while.)

[allegate]

DOJ: we rec 7-9 years for Roger Stone, in part because he attempted to intimidate a judge and witness tamper
Trump: (gets mad in tweet)
DOJ:
https://twitter.com/jakebgibson/status/1227271189346816000


Amazing to think that some people would find voting for four more years of this total system unraveling less destructive than voting for a socialist who has served in the senate for an eternity without ruining anything at all.


should not have read this this early in the morning.

[richardp]

Fuck. Between the Friday Night Massacre and this, I guess we're finally arrived at the full Dictator level of Trumpianism. What's next? Anyone who votes Democrat is going to get rounded up and put in camps by the end of the year?

Can only hope the judge in Stone's trial will do the right thing here.

[cdm]

Fuck. Between the Friday Night Massacre and this, I guess we're finally arrived at the full Dictator level of Trumpianism. What's next? Anyone who votes Democrat is going to get rounded up and put in camps by the end of the year?

Can only hope the judge in Stone's trial will do the right thing here.

I think it's pretty clear what they're setting up here. It can go one of two ways and neither are good for the rule of law:

1. Judge issues lenient sentence based on updated DOJ recommendations. Trump knows a Stone pardon will look like shit to everyone but his base. This is a way to put his foot on the scale for ol Roger while not issuing a pardon.

2. (More likely) Judge Jackson says "Fuck you" and ignores DOJ's request...and to that, on Nov 3, Trump issues a pardon saying the judge was too harsh and unfair.

Edit: the lead prosecutor in the case just withdrew from the case and resigned. Hopefully things start to get loud.

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[richardp]

2. (More likely) Judge Jackson says "Fuck you" and ignores DOJ's request...and to that, on Nov 3, Trump issues a pardon saying the judge was too harsh and unfair.
1227324815826137088

I'm thinking this is probably how it will play out. Regardless of the pardon, which is almost guaranteed to happen no matter what, it'll still be good to have it officially on record of the judge doing (hopefully) what's right in this situation and blast the shit out of the administration in her ruling.

[theimage13]

Fuck. Between the Friday Night Massacre and this, I guess we're finally arrived at the full Dictator level of Trumpianism. What's next? Anyone who votes Democrat is going to get rounded up and put in camps by the end of the year?

Honestly, a camp full of Democrats sounds really nice right about now.

[cdm]

Honestly, a camp full of Democrats sounds really nice right about now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYP3jGwbmGY

[allegate]

Honestly, a camp full of Democrats sounds really nice right about now.
if they could just fucking get along with each other for an hour it would be nice.

[theimage13]

if they could just fucking get along with each other for an hour it would be nice.

Fair. I'm beyond ready for the primaries to be done. Not that it'll completely eliminate bickering, but it'll be a huge step forward.

[cdm]

Second prosecutor resignation:

Edit: And a third...

Edit 2: Marando just withdrew as well. All four US prosecutors on the Stone case have withdrawn / resigned.

1227360426779971584 (https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1227360426779971584?s=21)

[richardp]

What exactly does it mean that the 4 prosecutors have now resigned?

[Swykk]

I’d guess frustration and ethical concerns as well as retaliation fears?
allegro ?

[cdm]

What exactly does it mean that the 4 prosecutors have now resigned?

This is what career government officials do when things become so untenable they feel they have no other recourse. These prosecutors had a very public way of expressing their concerns and they used it.

[cdm]

Surely a coincidence...

Meanwhile, those law & order Republicans are silent. Mitch says "I don't have an opinion on that."

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[Jinsai]

So Trump tweets and Roger Stone gets a recommendation for a lower sentence.

[allegate]

Barr works for him, he didn't have to tweet that. I wonder if this was a gambit to antagonize the left into doing something stupid like impeaching him again right before the election? I mean, you know if it happens he's going to be acquitted again and that would make great headlines (for him) right around November.

[october_midnight]

I know there are a billion articles but this one here (https://www.businessinsider.com/authoritarianism-experts-say-time-running-out-americans-to-stop-trump-2020-2?utmSource=twitter&utmContent=referral&utmTerm=topbar&referrer=twitter) is short, to the point, and sums up my thoughts more eloquently than I ever could.

[allegro]

I’d guess frustration and ethical concerns as well as retaliation fears?
allegro ?

This is all scary shit.

[cdm]

I know there are a billion articles but this one here (https://www.businessinsider.com/authoritarianism-experts-say-time-running-out-americans-to-stop-trump-2020-2?utmSource=twitter&utmContent=referral&utmTerm=topbar&referrer=twitter) is short, to the point, and sums up my thoughts more eloquently than I ever could.

The next logical step is jailing of political opponents...we’re not far away from that. It seems absurd but who will stop him?

The slow-creep has numbed the collective consciousness.

[somewhat_]

I know there are a billion articles but this one here (https://www.businessinsider.com/authoritarianism-experts-say-time-running-out-americans-to-stop-trump-2020-2?utmSource=twitter&utmContent=referral&utmTerm=topbar&referrer=twitter) is short, to the point, and sums up my thoughts more eloquently than I ever could.

Yes, at what point are we going to take to the streets? Are we just going to wait until the election is sabotaged? This shit has to stop. I can’t believe we weren’t taking to the streets with his acquittal.

One of the worst aspects of the digital age is most of us are content with just stuffing our face in our smart phone and tuning things out (I can definitely be guilty of this at times). I feel like if all this was going down in the 90’s we would’ve never let it get this far.

[M1ke]

The next logical step is jailing of political opponents...we’re not far away from that. It seems absurd but who will stop him?

The slow-creep has numbed the collective consciousness.

He did promise that, iirc.

[allegate]

This is all scary shit.

your shortest post ever is the scariest one I've read.

[ltrandazzo]

Hope Hicks is back in the White House working for Trump and working directly for Kushner. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/13/us/politics/hope-hicks-white-house-return.html?referringSource=articleShare

[allegate]

well why not.

there's a really crass joke I thought of but it's a little much for this early in the morning.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/jonrog1/status/1228000272888131584

[theimage13]

Trump weighs barring officials from listening to calls with foreign leaders (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-weighs-barring-officials-from-listening-to-foreign-leader-calls-2020-2?op=1&utm_source=reddit.com)

What could possibly go wrong?

[allegro]

https://twitter.com/repvaldemings/status/1228174692747370497?s=21

[ickyvicky]

"Trump says he may stop allowing top officials to listen to his calls with foreign leaders"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-calls-foreign-leaders-officials-listening/

[cdm]

Watch out for pigs harassing vulnerable neighbors, especially this weekend.

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[allegate]

Trump rehires Reince Priebus and Sean Spicer to White House roles (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/02/trump-rehires-reince-priebus-and-sean-spicer-to-white-house-roles/)

https://media.giphy.com/media/p60L4kNY1szqU/giphy.gif

[Jinsai]

Barr SHOULD resign. I don't care whether we think he's telling Trump to back off on Twitter cuz it makes it hard for him to do his obvious bidding. Roger Stone is an evil fuck. He NEEDS to go to jail, and 9 years was a blessing of a sentence. Outside of playing ball for Trump, why the hell is Barr getting involved in this?

[allegro]

Barr SHOULD resign. I don't care whether we think he's telling Trump to back off on Twitter cuz it makes it hard for him to do his obvious bidding. Roger Stone is an evil fuck. He NEEDS to go to jail, and 9 years was a blessing of a sentence. Outside of playing ball for Trump, why the hell is Barr getting involved in this?
Actually, in law, it's typically the crazy right-wing people who think that this should be a 9-year sentence. Liberals typically want sentence reform and tend to argue that most sentences (except for the most egregious crimes to society) do not deserve these longer sentences.

NOBODY in law thought this should be a 9-year sentence.

In these types of non-violence cases, the prosecution ALWAYS throws the worst sentence out there, fully knowing they're NEVER going to get it. It's always a bullshit high number.

The PROBLEM arose when Trump TWEETED about it, thereby sticking his nose where it fully DID NOT BELONG, now looking like he was influencing the sentence when he most likely ISN'T. The JUDGE decides sentencing; not the prosecutors, not the DoJ, not the President.

But, the President should NEVER render public opinion about ANY case.

He's such an IDIOT, however, he's saying he has the "right" to say whatever he wants.

Barr is saying "no, you do not, because it's looking like you're interfering with justice."

Of course, Trump just brushes Barr aside, and then ... yeah, whatever.

Meanwhile, Trump insulted the JUDGE in this case and now everybody on the right has a conspiracy theory against the head juror. So, who knows what will happen.

[theimage13]

Actually, in law, it's typically the crazy right-wing people who think that this should be a 9-year sentence. Liberals typically want sentence reform and tend to argue that most sentences (except for the most egregious crimes to society) do not deserve these longer sentences.

NOBODY in law thought this should be a 9-year sentence.

In these types of no-violence cases, the prosecution ALWAYS throws the worst sentence out there, fully knowing they're NEVER going to get it. It's always a bullshit high number.

Can we still want Barr to get the fuck out of dodge, though? The recent "only I can decide whether you may investigate a candidate or campaign" thing felt a bit too protective for my comfort.

[allegro]

Can we still want Barr to get the fuck out of dodge, though? The recent "only I can decide whether you may investigate a candidate or campaign" thing felt a bit too protective for my comfort.

Oh, for sure, Barr is a TOTAL ASSHOLE and deserves to be impeached, for many reasons too long to post here.

But, he IS the Attorney General, which is the head of the Department of Justice. Which is the parent agency of the F.B.I. and every single other Federal criminal and investigative department in the United States.

So, this means that Rudy Giuliani can't open an investigation, nor can Ukraine. Grok?

[cdm]

This fuckin' guy...one way to see what crimes Trump is guilty of is to look at who he pardons, etc...

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[allegro]

This fuckin' guy...one way to see what crimes Trump is guilty of is to look at who he pardons, etc...


While I'm never in the habit of defending Trump, Blago's 14-year sentence was RIDICULOUS. Blago attempted the shakedown, but none of it actually happened. Blago's a total dickhead, sure. (And I voted for him, twice, ugh.)

Some perspective:

Former Illinois Governor George Ryan, indicted on multiple counts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Ryan#Indictment), was found guilty on all counts.

These charges stemmed from an investigation of the sale of commercial driver's licenses to unqualified people (bribes), after a family inside of a van was hit by a driver carrying one of those driver's licenses.

All six of the children inside of the van were killed in the crash (burned to death).

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16051850
https://abc7chicago.com/archive/8974745/
https://wgntv.com/2014/11/06/tribute-for-6-willis-children-killed-20-years-ago/

Burned to death.

Ryan received a six-year sentence.

[cdm]

Trump didn't commute his sentence out of the goodness of his non-existent heart. The length is irrelevant.

[allegro]

Trump didn't commute his sentence out of the goodness of his non-existent heart. The length is irrelevant.

Blago's a Democrat, so Trump is definitely pandering.

Trump is also considering clemency for Reality Winner. Again, pandering.

Either way, still WAY TOO LONG a sentence. For both of them.

[cdm]

Blago's a Democrat, so Trump is definitely pandering.

Trump is also considering clemency for Reality Winner. Again, pandering.

Either way, still WAY TOO LONG a sentence. For both of them.

Pandering? To whom?

I just don't buy the suggestion this was anything more than Trump feeling good about himself for commuting the sentence of a guy convicted of soliciting bribes, a crime he has likely committed multiple times while in office. Nothing more, nothing less.

[allegro]

Pandering? To whom?

I just don't buy the suggestion this was anything more than Trump feeling good about himself for commuting the sentence of a guy convicted of soliciting bribes, a crime he has likely committed multiple times while in office. Nothing more, nothing less.

Pandering to Trump’s imaginary swing voters in the Midwest.

Note that Republicans have been telling Trump NOT to commute Blago’s sentence.

FWIW: An 8- or 9-year sentence was beyond appropriate for Blagojevich. He tried shaking down a children’s hospital. The guy’s a jerk. But 14 years was a “message” to Illinois Governors to knock that shit off. 4 of the last 7 Illinois Governors have gone to prison.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/390590-durbin-i-would-support-blagojevich-sentence-reduction

[cdm]

Pandering to Trump’s imaginary swing voters in the Midwest.

An 8- or 9-year sentence was appropriate for Blagojevich. He tried shaking down a children’s hospital. The guy’s a jerk. But 14 years was a “message” to Illinois Governors to knock that shit off. 4 of the last 7 Illinois Governors have gone to prison.

To be clear: I'm not arguing whether or not the guy got a ridiculous sentence. I'll agree to disagree.

[allegro]

To be clear: I'm not arguing whether or not the guy got a ridiculous sentence. I'll agree to disagree.

Blago was on “Celebrity Apprentice,” so that likely influenced Trump’s decision. But Rick Wilson made an interesting point, today:

https://twitter.com/therickwilson/status/1229979352118579200?s=21

[ryanmcfly]

This seems like it should be a big deal, right?

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/feb/19/donald-trump-offered-julian-assange-pardon-russia-hack-wikileaks (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/feb/19/donald-trump-offered-julian-assange-pardon-russia-hack-wikileaks)

[cdm]

Not a crime if the attempt fails...right? Based on Trump's defenders I believe that's how it works now?

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[allegro]

This seems like it should be a big deal, right?

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/feb/19/donald-trump-offered-julian-assange-pardon-russia-hack-wikileaks (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/feb/19/donald-trump-offered-julian-assange-pardon-russia-hack-wikileaks)

This is YUGE. Potentially.

[allegate]

it would appear his lawyer says he can back it up.

man. first Mueller, then impeachment, now this? it's hard to tell if it's going to be even a blip in the ocean of this man's sea of shit.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/1230201440561397760

https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/images/icons/icon4.png

[Leviathant]

Mr Anti-Corruption commuting Blago's sentence is pure, deliberate gaslighting, plain and simple.

[Sarah K]

​There is a lot of misinformation floating out there regarding my meeting with Julian Assange so let me provide some clarity on the matter:

At no time did I talk to President Trump about Julian Assange. Likewise, I was not directed by Trump or anyone else connected with him to meet with Julian Assange. I was on my own fact finding mission at personal expense to find out information I thought was important to our country. I was shocked to find out that no other member of Congress had taken the time in their official or unofficial capacity to interview Julian Assange. At no time did I offer Julian Assange anything from the President because I had not spoken with the President about this issue at all. However, when speaking with Julian Assange, I told him that if he could provide me information and evidence about who actually gave him the DNC emails, I would then call on President Trump to pardon him. At no time did I offer a deal made by the President, nor did I say I was representing the President. Upon my return, I spoke briefly with Gen. Kelly. I told him that Julian Assange would provide information about the purloined DNC emails in exchange for a pardon. No one followed up with me including Gen. Kelly and that was the last discussion I had on this subject with anyone representing Trump or in his Administration.

Even though I wasn't successful in getting this message through to the President I still call on him to pardon Julian Assange, who is the true whistleblower of our time. Finally, we are all holding our breath waiting for an honest investigation into the murder of Seth Rich.

Seth Rich's family has repeatedly asked that they stop peddling and retract this shit. And they're still doing it - over three years later.

[allegate]

"personal expense" my ass. taxpayers paid for that shit and should ask for their money back.

[richardp]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rod-blagojevich-no-apology-prison-release_n_5e4d75eac5b630e74c4f663e

God this guy fucking sucks

[allegro]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rod-blagojevich-no-apology-prison-release_n_5e4d75eac5b630e74c4f663e

God this guy fucking sucks
It’s true, he spent like 30 minutes on his porch talking and acting like he was a victim. He was not one bit contrite. He was back to being that Governor we in Illinois knew: long on a memorized speech, and short on self-observation. You’d think he was campaigning, again. He DID do some good stuff for the citizens of Illinois. Free and $2 RTA cards that still exist because of him still make him a hero among minorities and seniors. But, the guy thinking he’s some victim of political persecution is lacking any self-responsibility.

[ryanmcfly]

Roger Stone received a 40 month prison sentence. Source: Every news outlet.

[cdm]

Roger Stone received a 40 month prison sentence. Source: Every news outlet.

Sounds like Judge Jackson pressed the US prosecutor(s) fairly hard on the sentencing memo fiasco and didn't pull punches on Roger in her remarks. That said, Trump will pardon and he won't serve a minute of it.

Also this (second tweet):

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[allegro]

Depends on what the judge wants to do, I've seen Federal judges deny those motions (to stay sentence) many times.

Of course, Trump could pardon Stone tomorrow before Stone sets one foot into prison, but that would mean Stone is forever strapped with the "convicted felon" tag. If Stone wins an appeal, he can get rid of that. It's really hard to win an appeal, but whatever; we just KNOW this guy is gonna die trying.

[Aladdinsanity]

https://twitter.com/ira/status/1230658029067980800https://twitter.com/ira/status/1230658029067980800?s=20

[richardp]

Trump couldn't even read the subtitles if his stupid ass ever even TRIED to watch Parasite.

[allegate]

Trump is America's 10th Highest Paid Athlete (https://www.theroot.com/we-calculated-how-much-we-pay-trump-to-play-golf-it-tu-1841793634)

[allegro]

Anderson Cooper should get an award for this Blago interview:

https://twitter.com/IanSams/status/1231027617802989569?s=20

[Sarah K]

45 just pulled $8 Billion in healthcare funding to NY.

We recently implemented a law which allows undocumented immigrants access to driver's licenses and are not allowing ICE access to their information.

So first he blocked us from using Global Entry, and now this.


https://www.pix11.com/news/local-news/trump-administration-cancels-8b-health-care-grant-for-new-york-cuomo

[bobbie solo]

Him & his admin use the act of just trying to fuck with & anger their opposition as the main basis for their policy decisions. It's infuriating. But it was to be expected b/c that trolling aspect is literally the main reason a vast majority of his base voted for him in the first place. They just want to fuck with libs. Disgusting people.

[Balthier]

Anderson Cooper should get an award for this Blago interview:

https://twitter.com/IanSams/status/1231027617802989569?s=20

I like how he leaves Bernie stuttering here around 0:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1olbO7VuKo

[Demogorgon]

Relevant: GOP Mega-donor buys large share of Twitter and promises to push out current CEO. https://www.rawstory.com/2020/02/billionaire-trump-supporter-seeking-to-oust-twitters-ceo-and-take-over-control-of-the-company-report/

[allegro]

Relevant: GOP Mega-donor buys large share of Twitter and promises to push out current CEO. https://www.rawstory.com/2020/02/billionaire-trump-supporter-seeking-to-oust-twitters-ceo-and-take-over-control-of-the-company-report/
Yeah, I don’t like Jack but holy shit, this is wacko.

[allegate]

hey Trump, how's that treaty going with the Taliban (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1234461943165079552)?

[Aladdinsanity]

https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/1235280512375312384?s=20
Better cut some more deals with Trump then and allow him to confirm a record number of judges! Fucking idiot.

[allegro]

W
T
F

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1236056667063795713?s=21

[allegro]

He’s totally out to lunch:

https://twitter.com/mysterysolvent/status/1236020044930387969?s=21

[allegate]

can you imagine the disarray if he dies of covid?

[theimage13]

can you imagine the disarray if he dies of covid?

You mean if the Dirty Dems poisoned him with the lab-created virus they bought from China?

[cdm]

can you imagine the disarray if he dies of covid?

No. I haven’t thought of that. Not once. It never crossed my mind. Why would you ask such a thing?

[M1ke]

can you imagine the disarray if he dies of covid?

Probably less than the disarray of allowing him to continue being president.

[allegro]

can you imagine the disarray if he dies of covid?
Someone with Covid-19 attended CPAC ...

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/person-with-coronavirus-attended-cpac-conference-in-maryland/2234065/

[Mantra]

^yup, just saw that.

I know it's probably very wrong of me, but I immediately began howling with evil laughter when I read that headline.

[allegro]

Yeah, did you see the vids of Trump hugging the flag?

I wonder if the person with the virus touched that flag.

The virus lives on fabric for, like, 12 hours?

[Swykk]

Predictably, socialism is bad for actual people but is cool when it’s for corporations:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/10/trump-oil-bailout/

[allegate]

God, you should have seen twitter yesterday with the mental gymnasts in full swing.

[allegate]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES255PxUMAMrCCn?format=jpg&name=small


I thought I had grown out of the puerile humor phase but apparently not because I just laughed at that.

[allegate]

before and after moments.

https://twitter.com/LisaMoraitis1/status/1237967445350105089

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/carltonfwlarson/status/1238506586156351488

Additional information from what allegro posted earlier.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/carltonfwlarson/status/1238506586156351488

Additional information from what @allegro (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76) posted earlier.
I was thinking about this today. given his propensity for telling established political norms to go fuck themselves I have a much worse feeling about this.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/DennisDMZ/status/1241064087083077632

what the hell was that.

[sweeterthan]

What a fucking dick move

Secret Service signs contract this week to rent golf carts in town of Trump club

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/amid-virus-outbreak-secret-service-signed-contract-to-rent-golf-carts-at-home-of-trump-club/2020/04/01/86d249fe-7449-11ea-85cb-8670579b863d_story.html


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[Jinsai]

OMG the fucking "accordion hands" thing is so intense lately... I wish he'd stop doing it. It really makes me anxious.

[BRoswell]

U.S. 'wasted' months before preparing for virus pandemic (https://apnews.com/090600c299a8cf07f5b44d92534856bc)

[richardp]

OMG the fucking "accordion hands" thing is so intense lately... I wish he'd stop doing it. It really makes me anxious.

The less he knows about something, the more he does it. It's like the shittiest poker face of all time.

[M1ke]

Weird that this dude is still trying to compete with COVID-19 for attention.

There should really only be one thing anyone is focused on right now, and that's stopping the spread of COVID-19. Who cares what some crazy old jackass says at this point?

It kind of outweighs any hysteria he might try to produce.

[allegate]

did you see what the queen did today? That's what we should be getting from our leaders.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d1YEkcbFwk

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/MysterySolvent/status/1246966677838987265

[Archive_Reports]

When Tommy Lee is appropriately calling someone out, they need to reevaluate their life choices.

[bobbie solo]

Apparently he didnt write it, but it's still really funny and worth reading.

[chuckrh]

I saw a clip the other day of Bush Jr. talking about the need to be prepared for a pandemic situation in 2005. I had thought he was the worst president ever at the time but the Donald has made him look Mt Rushmore worthy. I didn't care for Bush policies but I never felt the loathing I feel for the current situation. If Obama had been accused a fraction of the stuff Trump has done there would've been crosses burning on the white house lawn with people in MAGA hats roasting weenies around them while they got ready for the lynching. I had to quit watching the daily CNN shit show with the task force. I get the important stuff later. I know there are a lot of stupid people out there but for the love of God, how is this guy in power? & in position to possibly stay there? sorry, had to vent.

[Magnetic]

I get physically ill if I listen to him speak. This is not hyperbole. The level of disgust and rage I feel manifests into physical queasiness.

[theimage13]

I get physically ill if I listen to him speak. This is not hyperbole. The level of disgust and rage I feel manifests into physical queasiness.

Literally have not listened to him once since the election. I read the news, I read transcripts, but I cannot listen to him for the reason you just mentioned.

[BRoswell]

Yeah, I can't listen to him either. His voice is so grating.

[theimage13]

And mods, can we move all the election talk to the election thread and keep this one for current administration nonsense?

[theimage13]

https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/5099-11-3-2020-President-Senate-House-LOCAL

Guys, we have an election thread. Let's try to keep this one on track with the current administration and keep campaign talk to the election thread.

[versusreality]

Had a nightmare last night that Trump won the election this year, did the 4 years, and a month after the 2024 election he died. The nightmare part was that a) he was still president and b) he died AFTER his second presidency and not during it (though I hate wishing death on people...Trump is an exception)

[binaryhermit]

Technically a month after the 2024 election is about a month and a half before inauguration day, the election would be somewhere between November 2 and November 8, inauguration day would be January 20 of the next year.</that_guy>

[versusreality]

^ it was a month after inauguration day in the dream, sorry

[sweeterthan]

Every time this mother fucker tweets about his ratings, I want to scream. What a fucked up thing to care about when people are dying daily.

[allegate]

I was thinking about the ratings thing last night. I remember years ago when the cable news people harped about the ratings of shows on the other networks. It sounded petty at the time and it's especially petty now but it's something that has been talked about on political shows for a long time - I mean, Keith Olbermann was still on the air feuding with Bill O'Reilly! - so I think it's ingrained in political minds because of this and ratings mean something to a lot of people and for the wrong reasons to be sure.

[GulDukat]

That was quite a press conference. What a nut.

[GulDukat]

Trump is insane: And it's time for leading Democrats to say that out loud (https://www.salon.com/2020/04/18/trump-is-insane-and-its-time-for-leading-democrats-to-say-that-out-loud/?fbclid=IwAR1ksst66gVEw47KUVLFpeIjcdklmGbmeNwY3Mgr DcMZBW1_8HyqcLPabGc)