Trump 2020-21 - Epilogue

[allegro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKopSVjM-Oc

[Wretchedest]

The electors thing leads to a crisis that ends with President Pelosi, I'm not sure they want that lol

[SM Rollinger]

https://i.imgur.com/wl5t1eu.jpg

[M1ke]

https://i.imgur.com/s5yr2HV.jpg

[Wretchedest]

Well I voted Libertarian this year, so I suppose you don't like me? I am truly sorry you are so wildly judgemental and full of hatred. Calling someone shitty and selfish based solely upon who they voted for is extremely ridiculous. I do not dislike you, although I do find your bigotry appalling.

Oh no I love you. Libertarian voters gave trump this election more than any one.

That said, libertarianism is a complete farce.

[Erneuert]

Interesting article about why 30+ million Americans still voted for Trump despite everything: https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/why-they-love-trump-to-death-explaining-america-s-48-per-cent-20201106-p56c8n.html

The durability of Trump’s appeal in the face of death itself is a remarkable phenomenon of politics and psychology. If faith in Trump can triumph over death to win the votes of 48 per cent of the American electorate, then it’s safe to assume that it will survive electoral defeat, too.

You can see his line of thought. Celebrity in America is in a peculiar class of its own, and has long been the Brahmin in the US caste system. “To be a celebrity in America,” said the late American journalist Mary McGrory, “is to be forgiven everything.” And she said that 44 years ago.
Hanson is a minor celebrity figure, Palmer even more minor. Steele tables the ultimate Trump card: the current President starred in a popular reality-TV show for 14 years. “COVID has exposed a character flaw – how bereft our country is. It’s made us turn on each other because we have become reliant on a reality-TV host," Steele says.


“People need to understand that Trump was the first person since Ronald Reagan [the Hollywood star turned Republican president] to convert his viewers into his voters. For 14 years, he [Trump] was on national TV in people’s living rooms, firing people The Apprentice].[/FONT]
“And if not that, they saw him around all these beautiful woman in his beauty pageants. So when the [I]Access Hollywood tape came out, people said, ‘What do you expect? I saw him going into the dressing rooms with butt-naked women and just standing there staring at them.'

“Everyone over the age of 14 rationalised his behaviour. It’s no different to a friend, cousin, a neighbour you like – ‘I like the guy’ – and everyone was making excuses for his behaviour. So how the hell is he sitting there for four years with 40 per cent support in every poll, when he ain’t done shit? It’s because people look at him and say: ‘That’s my boy.’

“Donald Trump is their mirror, but they don’t want to look too closely. That’s someone who could put a child in a cage, and then lose their parents. They don’t want their hand on that, so they say: ‘They came here illegally.’ That reality is something they don’t want to deal with.

[Jinsai]

Here is some much-needed comic relief:

https://twitter.com/gnuman1979/status/1325237099952533504?s=21

Just holy shit

[leo3375]

I see one of two possibilities here:

1. Trump refuses to leave and holes himself up in the bunker under the White House. Secret Service and/or the military have to go in and force him out, kicking and screaming. (By the way, I would pay to watch this happen!)
2. Trump gets Pence to issue pardons to him and his family. Trump resigns and Pence becomes President, following through on his vow to pardon the Trump family. This enables Trump or one of his spawn to run for President in 2024. (I would guess that Junior would be the most likely to do so.)

[SM Rollinger]

Interesting article about why 30+ million Americans still voted for Trump despite everything: https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/why-they-love-trump-to-death-explaining-america-s-48-per-cent-20201106-p56c8n.html

The durability of Trump’s appeal in the face of death itself is a remarkable phenomenon of politics and psychology. If faith in Trump can triumph over death to win the votes of 48 per cent of the American electorate, then it’s safe to assume that it will survive electoral defeat, too.

You can see his line of thought. Celebrity in America is in a peculiar class of its own, and has long been the Brahmin in the US caste system. “To be a celebrity in America,” said the late American journalist Mary McGrory, “is to be forgiven everything.” And she said that 44 years ago.
Hanson is a minor celebrity figure, Palmer even more minor. Steele tables the ultimate Trump card: the current President starred in a popular reality-TV show for 14 years. “COVID has exposed a character flaw – how bereft our country is. It’s made us turn on each other because we have become reliant on a reality-TV host," Steele says.


“People need to understand that Trump was the first person since Ronald Reagan [the Hollywood star turned Republican president] to convert his viewers into his voters. For 14 years, he [Trump] was on national TV in people’s living rooms, firing people The Apprentice].[/FONT]
“And if not that, they saw him around all these beautiful woman in his beauty pageants. So when the [I]Access Hollywood tape came out, people said, ‘What do you expect? I saw him going into the dressing rooms with butt-naked women and just standing there staring at them.'

“Everyone over the age of 14 rationalised his behaviour. It’s no different to a friend, cousin, a neighbour you like – ‘I like the guy’ – and everyone was making excuses for his behaviour. So how the hell is he sitting there for four years with 40 per cent support in every poll, when he ain’t done shit? It’s because people look at him and say: ‘That’s my boy.’

“Donald Trump is their mirror, but they don’t want to look too closely. That’s someone who could put a child in a cage, and then lose their parents. They don’t want their hand on that, so they say: ‘They came here illegally.’ That reality is something they don’t want to deal with.

Good read, thanks.

[allegate]

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[allegate]

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well shit, that's tiny. the shirts are selling for the Georgia runoff so all profits go there.



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https://media2.giphy.com/media/nh9k1qzeLf99S/giphy.gif

[burnmotherfucker!]

Anyone else going to watch Dave Chappelle on SNL tonight? Should be good.

[Jinsai]

how has nobody posted the bit from Bill Maher where he said "your dad never loved you and your mom fucked a chimp" or something? Just, really, a good moment of "FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" enjoyment

[Magnetic]

Anyone else going to watch Dave Chappelle on SNL tonight? Should be good.

mememememe

[burnmotherfucker!]

Well apparently the Notre Dame game went into double overtime so I can't watch it. Sometimes they run the local news afterwards too. I've never cared less about a football game.

[allegate]

uh, is this a bit?

https://twitter.com/CLewandowski_/status/1325257152219504641?s=20

[Magnetic]

Well apparently the Notre Dame game went into double overtime so I can't watch it. Sometimes they run the local news afterwards too. I've never cared less about a football game.

Yah, I'm screwed there too. Damn local news. No one GAF!!

[Swykk]

Well I voted Libertarian this year, so I suppose you don't like me? I am truly sorry you are so wildly judgemental and full of hatred. Calling someone shitty and selfish based solely upon who they voted for is extremely ridiculous. I do not dislike you, although I do find your bigotry appalling.

Well you guys threw your votes away and almost fucked everything up. You get zero sympathy (see what I did there?). You want to do whatever you want, fuck everyone else, no rules! That’s not real. Grow the fuck up.

Bigotry? LOL. Miss me with that nonsense. It’s not a difference of opinion as much as douche drinkers like Steven Crowder try to frame it. We’re not disagreeing about a movie. I’m not telling you who you can be attracted to or what your gender is. Libertarians have unrealistic and frankly childish views.

[botley]

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well shit, that's tiny. the shirts are selling for the Georgia runoff so all profits go there.
Instant fucking purchase.

[GulDukat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeSiJmLoJd0

[Jinsai]

Going by just how my conservative relatives seem to be processing this, I imagine this is going to be a memorable holiday season...

[Jinsai]

Honestly, I’m not the biggest fan of libertarians in general, but there’s sensible ones out there that I just politically disagree with. They’re a minority in that camp, but the sensible segment didn’t vote for trump... and really they don’t deserve to be shit on right now. I have “libertarian” relatives who voted for Trump, put Trump stickers on the car... shit on them

[mfte]

Instant fucking purchase.

Ditto! I got a gold regular. How about you?

[Jinsai]

Ditto! I got a gold regular. How about you?

I think the one I got is orange?

[Swykk]

Honestly, I’m not the biggest fan of libertarians in general, but there’s sensible ones out there that I just politically disagree with. They’re a minority in that camp, but the sensible segment didn’t vote for trump... and really they don’t deserve to be shit on right now. I have “libertarian” relatives who voted for Trump, put Trump stickers on the car... shit on them

It was a footnote on a longer post. It’s kinda sad that out of everything I wrote, THIS is what’s being singled out.

I agree with you that the majority of them either voted for Trump or threw their vote away on someone not unlike him but she’s cool with weed, yo. And either way, that’s an error in judgment at best and a glaring character flaw at worst.

Also, that response from @zero (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=6414) was cloying grade F Crowder bullshit. Calling me a bigot was way out of line.

[mfte]

I think the one I got is orange?

Excellent choice. Let's just make sure we don't all wear them here at the same time.

[zero]

Also, that response from @zero (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=6414) was cloying bullshit. Calling me a bigot was way out of line.

No, it was not, and I stand by my comment. You exhibit unreasonable intolerance of others based upon their political association.

[Swykk]

“Unreasonable”

That’s rich. Keep using words that don’t apply. You’re real good at it and it’s a lot easier than looking inward and making changes. No more drift. On the ignore list you go.

[Wretchedest]

Political association is a series of personal choices that have an impact on people and the world around you. It's exactly the sort of thing worth judging people by.

[allegate]

I think the one I got is orange?

It's Gritty, so you bet your furry ass I got orange.

[allegro]

It's Gritty, so you bet your furry ass I got orange.

Yeah, my husband is getting the orange one for Christmas. He’s REALLY hard to shop for, so this is awesome!

[allegro]

“Unreasonable”

My fights with Libertarian DigitalChaos on this board were epic, and I have no qualms in stating that I fucking hate Libertarians. Because they are full of shit. I respect the GREEN PARTY more than these bullshit artists. NOTHING in their wavering platform makes any logical sense. They want it all but want to pay nothing for it. And they can shove their beliefs up their respective privileged asses. My stating that is not bigoted. That's American with free speech; something "Libertarians" claim to cherish. As do liberals. If I said "I hate Nazis," that's based on my belief that the Nazi Party is awful. And they'd likely say "oh, you're a BIGOT!" And I wouldn't care. I'm not comparing Libertarians to Nazis, but I'm saying that that Americans are allowed to dislike the way other Americans cast their votes for political parties. This isn't like "Oh, I don't vote for black people!"

You have your right to vote for whomever you want. And I have the right, as an American, to tell you that I can't stand the Libertarian party and its voters; not based on your membership in a particular group, but because the party platform is utterly ridiculous. To me, voting Libertarian for President is about as stupid as voting for Kanye West; due to the Electoral College, NO third party has a chance of winning. Also, most of today's Libertarians are actually Republicans who don't want to be associated with racists; but, they're still super fiscally conservative. They still want zero regulation, laissez faire capitalism, and most of the same tax policies as Republicans. Libertarians argue against government involvement, but love corporate socialism.

It's Sunday, it's a great day, let's not ruin it with these Republicans in other clothing. If we say DigitalChaos' name three times, he may show up. (And he was never ever offended by my disagreeing with him, or telling him he was full of shit, nor was I ever offended when he said I was full of shit. We remained online friends, and even exchanged emails sometimes. We mostly disagreed about gun control, even though we both own guns. Being Libertarian doesn't always reflect who we are AS PEOPLE; it just reflects your political beliefs. There's a difference, as goofy as that sounds.)

We don't have to state how we vote, publicly. Actually, until relatively recently, nobody even DREAMED of telling anyone else how they voted, not even their spouse. Voting booths are private for a reason. When we share how we vote, we open ourselves up to public criticism. That's not bigotry; it's criticism of our choice about how this country - and people within this country - will be controlled. I don't place my vote relative to how it will affect ME; I vote for how it will affect OTHERS. And I judge other peoples' votes that way. And, as an American, I have the right to do that.

[botley]

I think the one I got is orange?

Me too, now just need some gritty orange leg warmers.

[zero]

Being Libertarian doesn't always reflect who we are AS PEOPLE; it just reflects your political beliefs. There's a difference, as goofy as that sounds.

If you truly believe the quoted statement, how can you possibly begin your rant by saying you "fucking hate Libertarians." It sure sounds like you hate the person, instead of the political belief. Disagreeing with someone is not the same thing as hating the person. Or perhaps I misunderstood.

I would not be a good person to defend the Libertarian platform, since I do not identify as one. In fact there is some stuff which does not make a lot of sense. But this time it was the best choice for my presidential vote. I also voted for Democrats and Republicans this year. The two party system is absurd and by it's design tends to keep our country divided. And I do not think that's a good thing.

[allegro]

If you truly believe the quoted statement, how can you possibly begin your rant by saying you "fucking hate Libertarians."

Rant. Hmmmm ... Interesting choice of words.

Cambridge: "to speak, write or shout in a loud, uncontrolled, or angry way, often saying confused or silly things."

You can't defend the Libertarian platform, don't identify as one, agree that some stuff doesn't make sense, but "this time" it was the "best choice."

This is why I hate voters like you.

You may be a super great guy in person. Likes doggies, nice to kids, goes to church. But votes like a blind guy in a china shop.

The two-party system sucks and I don't agree with it, either, but the entire system would need to change to get rid of it; firstly, the Electoral College (https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/03/electoral-college-elimination-threatens-two-party-system/). A good way to START change is to install a bunch more third party and independent candidates into LOCAL elections, including municipal and state legislations, rather than just Presidential elections. It's perfectly okay to have "Independent" candidates, which means NO party affiliation (my preference, I'm an independent).

1/3 of eligible voters in California now register as "Independent." It's the fastest-growing group in the country.

I fucking hate Libertarians because I hate the bullshit. When you vote Libertarian, you are pushing that bullshit. You're better off writing in yourself.

Edit: Regarding the two-party system and the Electoral College, etc.: I really love Andrew Yang; he suggests eliminating the EC and replacing our election system with Ranked Choice Voting (https://www.yang2020.com/policies/rankedchoice/).

[zero]

Rant. Hmmmm ... Interesting choice of words.

Cambridge: "to speak, write or shout in a loud, uncontrolled, or angry way, often saying confused or silly things."

You can't defend the Libertarian platform, don't identify as one, agree that some stuff doesn't make sense, but "this time" it was the "best choice."

This is why I hate voters like you.

You may be a super great guy in person. Likes doggies, nice to kids, goes to church. But votes like a blind guy in a china shop.

The two-party system sucks and I don't agree with it, either, but the entire system would need to change to get rid of it; firstly, the Electoral College (https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/03/electoral-college-elimination-threatens-two-party-system/). A good way to START change is to install a bunch more third party and independent candidates into LOCAL elections, including municipal and state legislations, rather than just Presidential elections. It's perfectly okay to have "Independent" candidates, which means NO party affiliation (my preference, I'm an independent).

1/3 of eligible voters in California now register as "Independent." It's the fastest-growing group in the country.

I fucking hate Libertarians because I hate the bullshit. When you vote Libertarian, you are pushing that bullshit. You're better off writing in yourself.

Edit: Regarding the two-party system and the Electoral College, etc.: I really love Andrew Yang; he suggests eliminating the EC and replacing our election system with Ranked Choice Voting (https://www.yang2020.com/policies/rankedchoice/).

I am glad you like my choice of words. Makes me all fuzzy inside. It's just too bad you seem bent on hating me as a person. I don't hate you.

My choice to vote Libertarian was not blind, it was based upon stuff which is important to me. For example, I have a strong distrust of an excessively powerful federal government.

I completely agree that there should be more independent or "other party" candidates in local and state elections. But since the 2 party system is so ingrained into almost every level of government, that might be a pipe dream. Perhaps some day.

Massachusetts had ranked choice voting as a ballot proposal this year. Sadly it did not pass, but the margin was not huge, so perhaps next time!

[allegro]

https://twitter.com/jennycohn1/status/1324532671947550720?s=20

[allegro]

I am glad you like my choice of words. Makes me all fuzzy inside. It's just too bad you seem bent on hating me as a person. I don't hate you.
At this point, your hating me would make me feel fuzzy inside.

But, otherwise, I invite you to read this article (https://www.salon.com/2015/12/03/5_libertarian_welfare_kings_who_got_rich_off_the_g overnment_they_want_to_destroy/).

[somewhat_]

Any reason we should be concerned about the faithless electors scenario?

[allegro]

Any reason we should be concerned about the faithless electors scenario?

Not when Biden won over 4 million more votes than Trump.

Also, the "fraud" seems to be coming from the Trump administration:

https://twitter.com/jennycohn1/status/1324532671947550720?s=20



More than 150,000 ballots were caught in U.S. Postal Service processing facilities Wednesday and not delivered by Election Day, agency data shows, including more than 12,000 in five of the states that have yet to be called for either President Trump or Democratic challenger, Joe Biden.

Another 39,000 ballots were processed Thursday, agency data shows, including more than 4,000, in the remaining swing states of Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

Despite assurances from Postal Service leaders that agency officials were conducting daily sweeps for misplaced ballots, the mail service acknowledged in court filings that thousands of ballots had not been processed in time, and that more ballots were processed Wednesday than on Election Day.

The number of mailed ballots not delivered by Election Day is expected to grow as more postal data is released in the coming days. Some election experts worry such delays could run up against even more generous ballot acceptance windows that some states have granted.

In several swing states, late ballots will still be counted as long as they were postmarked by Election Day and received by Friday. They include Nevada, where 4,518 ballots arrived on Wednesday and 635 arrived Thursday, as well as North Carolina (2,958 on Wednesday and 835 on Thursday) and Pennsylvania (3,439 Wednesday and 1,459 Thursday). But states such as Arizona (864 Wednesday and 559 Thursday) and Georgia (853 Wednesday and 610 Thursday) don’t accept any ballots after Election Day.

Sam Spital, litigation director for the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, said the vast majority of those ballots were delivered in a timely manner and most were in states with more lenient ballot acceptance deadlines.

Because the counts are ongoing in those states, it is unclear whether undelivered ballots would have made a difference in deciding the presidential election. But the delivery failures highlight the risks in relying on the mail service to deliver ballots close to Election Day.

The Postal Service had warned voters not to mail ballots within one week of the Nov. 3 election, even though they are treated as first-class mail, which has a one- to three-day delivery window. The Biden campaign changed its messaging to encourage voters to use drop boxes or vote in person and avoid the mail system within 10 days of the election. The Trump campaign’s messaging was mixed: The president baselessly claimed mail-in voting was susceptible to fraud, though he and first lady Melania Trump have voted by mail themselves. And late in the general election cycle, his campaign courted supporters to vote by mail after seeing growing Democratic advantages.

Under Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, a major Trump financier who took over the agency in June, first-class mail delivery rates have steadily declined, especially in urban areas that are bastions of Democratic voters. In public statements, he called the safe and timely delivery of election mail his “sacred duty” and insisted the agency was up to the task of facilitating an election in which a record 198 million Americans were eligible to vote by mail. But the Postal Service’s summer struggles bled into election season almost immediately as Americans began voting in October.

On Wednesday, the Postal Service processed 94.5 percent of ballots on time, an improvement over recent days but below the 97 percent rate that postal and voting experts expect. Based on the agency’s one- to three-day ballot processing window, voters would have mailed those ballots on Sunday or Monday.

For the remaining 5.5 percent, or more than 8,000, of ballots that took longer to process, they would have been mailed between Thursday and Saturday.

In the nine postal districts serving the swing states of Arizona, Nevada, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Georgia — which have yet to decide the presidential race — the on-time rate was 84.6 percent. That means roughly 15 out of every 100 ballots in processing plants were not sorted — or delivered — in time.

Postal Service spokesman David Partenheimer wrote in an emailed statement that the majority of the 150,000 ballots processed Wednesday were destined for states that accept ballots with pre-Election Day postmarks and that the votes would be counted under state laws.

“The Postal Service is required by law to deliver all mail that is deposited in our system. We cannot control when voters choose to mail their completed ballots, but we implemented extraordinary measures to ensure ballots were, and continue to be, delivered to the boards of elections as quickly as possible,” he wrote.

On Election Day, postal workers were instructed to submit ballots directly to vote counters, bypassing the regional facilities that account for the processing scores submitted Thursday to Judge Emmet G. Sullivan in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. Sullivan is overseeing one of several voting rights lawsuits filed in the aftermath of the Postal Service’s well-documented service declines. But the delivery numbers alarmed civil rights advocates, who say that the Postal Service was a vital and unavoidable component of election infrastructure for millions of Americans in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic.

“Voters put their ballots in the mail by this week and by this past weekend, and the only reason that their vote wasn’t counted was because of USPS delays,” Shankar Duraiswamy, an attorney representing the civil rights group Vote Forward, said in court Thursday.

Justice Department lawyers representing the mail agency have cautioned that the figures are not reliable. The data does not include “first mile” and “last mile” handling steps, which could add time to delivery, and only accounts for items the agency was able to successfully identify as ballots.

[Swykk]

Dude can’t even explain libertarianism but hates the two party system and essentially threw his vote away as a contrarian act. “I just hate the government, bruh.”

I say again—fucking petulant children. Pseudo-intellectual selfish troll Stepford Wives. They all do the same song and dance.

[Jinsai]

@zero (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=6414), I guess I could also say that I "fucking hate libertarians" because 99% of them seem to be self-serving, myopic, solipsistic assholes. It's a general statement though. Not all libertarians are myopic solipsistic assholes. Some of them are big Ayn Rand fans, some don't even know they're not really libertarians (like Bill Maher for a while there).

But I think their platform, as much as I completely disagree with its beliefs on a philosophical level... and really, a political platform is, more or less, a fluid philosophical concept. Its specific goals and intentions are defined by its most powerful adherents. They make up what the party really is, and at this point, the libertarian party is functionally an alt-Republican stance.

There's people who don't fall into that group, but they're really not there. It's like saying "green party people aren't liberals." It's nonsense really. Just another way of creating lines to divide people, especially when it isn't necessary.

I'd say it's about 1% of libertarians are pretty cool... and, that's about the percentage that came out to vote for the actual party they claim to back.

[zero]

At this point, your hating me would make me feel fuzzy inside.

But, otherwise, I invite you to read this article (https://www.salon.com/2015/12/03/5_libertarian_welfare_kings_who_got_rich_off_the_g overnment_they_want_to_destroy/).

If some persons of questionable moral character identify as Libertarians, does that therefore mean that Libertarianism is bad? This sure seems like a logic fallacy of sorts. There will always be people who manipulate institutions to their own advantage at the detriment of others. Just look at all the nonsense which has occurred throughout history in the name of religion.

[allegro]

If some persons of questionable moral character identify as Libertarians, does that therefore mean that Libertarianism is bad? This sure seems like a logic fallacy of sorts. There will always be people who manipulate institutions to their own advantage at the detriment of others. Just look at all the nonsense which has occurred throughout history in the name of religion.

Voting Libertarian in THIS election means, in effect, NOT caring about Trump getting another term.

Is being forced to choose between two parties shitty? Yeah.

But, this time, it was bigger than that.

It was about more than just us.

It wasn't about "big government" or any of that ideological stuff that generally doesn't affect us, directly (because local stuff actually affects us much much more).

It was about a President who is DANGEROUS, and who is encouraging white supremacists to "stand by" for his direction, and to back him up with their arms.


He defends dangerous right-wing terrorists and uses them to his advantage.
He denies that racism is a problem in this country.
He denies that police brutality exists.
He encourages police brutality.
He used "U.S. Marshals" of unknown origin to attack innocent, peaceful citizens.
Over 500 children are in cages at the southern border, and their parents were sent back to Central America and there's no clue as to how to reconnect them
He denies people their rights, all the time.
Including a man in Oregon, whom he had MURDERED by U.S. Marshals (https://www.opb.org/article/2020/10/13/new-eyewitness-accounts-feds-didnt-identify-themselves-before-firing-on-portland-antifa-shooting-suspect/).
Then he said "There has to be retribution (https://www.vox.com/2020/9/14/21436216/trump-michael-reinoehl-protests-portland-shooting)."

Literally throwing away a vote for a third-party candidate and NOT voting for a viable candidate is, in effect, voting in favor of this monster.

It's the most selfish thing a person can do.

This election was about people who are truly at risk; their actual LIVES are at risk.

Here's an example of the relief those kinds of people feel right now at the results of this election:

https://twitter.com/nastyathena/status/1325547937833742336?s=20

[allegate]

https://i.redd.it/f7xnib1j1zx51.jpg

https://twitter.com/celsiusgs/status/1325279501132177408

[zero]

Voting Libertarian in THIS election means, in effect, means NOT caring about Trump getting another term.

Interesting claim, but I am not guilty. Trump had no chance whatsoever of winning Massachusetts.

[allegro]

Interesting claim, but I am not guilty. Trump had no chance whatsoever of winning Massachusetts.

The lack of morality behind that is disturbing.

This is why black people are so disgusted by us privileged white assholes in the suburbs. Because we don't give a fuck. Or because what we DO give a fuck about is only about "us" and our money.

When we are finally the minority, and that will happen, we will get every fucking thing we deserve.

Thank God us old fucks are dying off and leaving the younger people who will save the flora and fauna on this planet.

The old Boomers are just greedy assholes who are gonna be the first to wonder where their money is when Social Security goes broke. And they never saved any money, but they're all bitching about welfare.

[Jinsai]

Interesting claim, but I am not guilty. Trump had no chance whatsoever of winning Massachusetts.

I live in a place that's more of a foregone conclusion that Massachusetts, but come on, I am not that misanthropic about the worth of my vote really. I know it won't matter, but I'm not gonna write in "the dude from Die Hard" because I feel robbed of a voice. I feel it's an odd way to sit on the fence when, really, fuck the system - how you feel in a functional way matters more. Voting for "Mickey Mouse" or "Jo Jorgenson" is basically resigning your vote. It's a vote that says "voting doesn't matter."

There's way more effective ways to bring about change in my opinion. To each their own. I'll take a well-reasoned libertarian over some evangelical or trump cultist... and maybe it's time we did listen to sensible people on the other side. Now that we're not being shit on every single day as some kind of fucked up sport.

[allegro]

Now that we're not being shit on every single day as some kind of fucked up sport.

When did that stop?

I dunno where you are, but it's still happening. It isn't stopping.

Now, it's "the Democrats STOLE THE ELECTION" and "THIS IS WAR" and "WE HAVE GUNS AND WE ARE TAKING IT BACK" and all kinds of fucking warped shit.

And Trump is encouraging it. Jr. actually declared war!

Libertarian Republican Asshole Rand Paul is echoing Trump's assertion that the election was fraudulent. (But, of course!)


I'll take a well-reasoned libertarian
I've known a few, but they have developed their own party platform. They're like Catholics who use birth control, "Oh, bah, I don't listen to the Pope, I just don't tell anybody." Oh, well, then you're not REALLY a Libertarian.

Just like Rand Paul.

Libertarians actually used to be okay! Like, long ago. Then, they morphed into this fucking wacky "we're Republicans but we don't wanna say we're Republicans because some of us are pro-choice and we smoke weed and we're not all that religious. But, fuck taxes and government regulations!! Oh, but I don't wanna PAY for my kid's school, oh and I think we need a GIANT MILITARY, but I don't like war." And I've been roped into "discussions" with some of those "Gold Standard" Libertarians, omg.

[WorzelG]

I would support a party that stood on the sole platform of saying fuck off to Twitter and Facebook

[allegro]

Pranksters and TikTok people flood Trump's "Voter Hotline" with crank calls:

https://twitter.com/major__Ray/status/1325272546418298880?s=20

https://twitter.com/major__Ray/status/1325271397728481280?s=20

https://mashable.com/article/trump-voter-fraud-hotine-prank-calls-alex-hirch/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tiktokers-post-videos-themselves-appearing-troll-trump-voter-fraud-hotline-n1247052

https://www.businessinsider.com/pranksters-flood-president-trumps-election-fraud-hotline-2020-11

[Jinsai]

allegro probably remembers jms, I think that was his name. That was a "good libertarian" imo. Smart person, was on this board for a while back in the long long ago.

Back then I think it meant something a little different to be a libertarian. Now, yeah, it's getting weird.

[allegro]

https://twitter.com/joesonka/status/1325557439014596609?s=20

[Kodiak33]

@allegro (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76) probably remembers jms, I think that was his name. That was a "good libertarian" imo. Smart person, was on this board for a while back in the long long ago.

Back then I think it meant something a little different to be a libertarian. Now, yeah, it's getting weird.

I am also, and there was no way in hell I was voting for anyone but Biden.

[allegate]

CHWKz-1ppOw

https://instagram.com/p/CHWKz-1ppOw/

[Archive_Reports]

Interesting claim, but I am not guilty. Trump had no chance whatsoever of winning Massachusetts.

lol

I live in a red state that had zero chance of turning blue. This is, in part, because people don't feel like their vote matters. I've not met anyone who's particularly a fan of Biden, but he was certainly the better of the two options for an ungodly amount of reasons. If everyone acted like you, or with a similar mindset, there's risk of losing both the electoral college as well as the popular vote. Essentially tossing votes in the trash is like wearing a shirt that says "fuck" on it because "no one's going to tell me what I can't wear."

[allegate]

The great thing about tossing the electoral college is that all votes will matter and you won't have this stupid red/blue thing anymore. Third parties could get significant gains in national elections if more people thought they could vote for them "safely".

[allegate]

https://resistbay.com/product/trump-lost-fuck-your-feelings-short-sleeve-unisex-t-shirt/

I'm all for twisting the knife but the prudish side of me hates seeing swear words blazoned in public. No one should stoop to their level like this.

Is that hypocritical of me?

[halo eighteen]

https://resistbay.com/product/trump-lost-fuck-your-feelings-short-sleeve-unisex-t-shirt/

I'm all for twisting the knife but the prudish side of me hates seeing swear words blazoned in public. No one should stoop to their level like this.

Is that hypocritical of me?

Yeah, there were a few fuck's visible on signs on CNN's coverage of all the celebrations on Saturday and it felt a little strange.

[Archive_Reports]

https://resistbay.com/product/trump-lost-fuck-your-feelings-short-sleeve-unisex-t-shirt/

I'm all for twisting the knife but the prudish side of me hates seeing swear words blazoned in public. No one should stoop to their level like this.

Is that hypocritical of me?

Just seems juvenile to me.

[allegro]

Thanks, Australia!!
https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1325840720360562692?s=21

[Jinsai]

https://resistbay.com/product/trump-lost-fuck-your-feelings-short-sleeve-unisex-t-shirt/

I'm all for twisting the knife but the prudish side of me hates seeing swear words blazoned in public. No one should stoop to their level like this.

Is that hypocritical of me?

It's childish, and it's a dumb joke shirt that you'll wear for maybe a week before it's no longer funny. Pretty sure if you wear it in the wrong place you're running a good chance of getting sucker punched... and sure, it's petty and mean spirited, but the "fuck you!!!!!" response is warranted.

... and I say all of this, despite the fact that I might just have created a (hopefully) anonymous Twitter account just to tell the Trump twitter cult to go fuck themselves. It's entirely possible that I did this. Forgive me.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/IsiahWhitlockJr/status/1325426157869797376?s=20

[d1stinct]

Trump just fired Mark Esper - the Defense Secretary, which disagreed with Trump to deploy active-duty military troops to control demonstrations earlier this year.

Hmmm

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/LeoShane/status/1325878862300000256?s=20

[Jinsai]

So, the real race we're all watching now.... which thread wins? It does feel like one of the two here should probably get locked?

On a random side note though, amidst all the celebrations, it is worth considering how Trump is going to handle this whole grieving process thing. He really could just go nuts and say "fine, fuck you" and who knows. If anything can be credited to this guy, he never failed to surprise and shock. Just when you were done saying "he can't get any fucking crazier than that" he would do something nuts like say he and Kim Jong Un are in love and then expose secret military weapons plans. Sociopathic narcissists do stuff like that... crazy shit. I think he feels cornered, and he's flailing, and this is the most dangerous way for him to be.

He will still be 100% president for the next few months.

[M1ke]

So, the real race we're all watching now.... which thread wins? It does feel like one of the two here should probably get locked?

On a random side note though, amidst all the celebrations, it is worth considering how Trump is going to handle this whole grieving process thing. He really could just go nuts and say "fine, fuck you" and who knows. If anything can be credited to this guy, he never failed to surprise and shock. Just when you were done saying "he can't get any fucking crazier than that" he would do something nuts like say he and Kim Jong Un are in love and then expose secret military weapons plans. Sociopathic narcissists do stuff like that... crazy shit. I think he feels cornered, and he's flailing, and this is the most dangerous way for him to be.

He will still be 100% president for the next few months.

Well, there is this:


Trump just fired Mark Esper - the Defense Secretary, which disagreed with Trump to deploy active-duty military troops to control demonstrations earlier this year.

Hmmm

I mean...I don't know exactly what he plans to do with his newly installed defense secretary, but it could get worse before it gets better.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1325893948305444865

[Haysey_Draws]

Can he...can he do this? I mean he is still in charge until Jan, but to fire people just after an election he lost (even though it's all but confirmed) just strikes me as something he shouldn't be able to do...but then again i'm using logic.

[Jinsai]

that's always been the biggest problem with Trump... he's a solipsistic idiot who truly cares about nothing but himself and how he positively perceives himself. At this point, I seriously think he would try to plunge us into an easily avoidable civil war if he realistically thought it would give him 50/50 odds at staying president for just a bit longer. He does not give a shit.

[Erneuert]

Thanks, Australia!!
https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1325840720360562692?s=21

hahahahahaha

[Erneuert]

https://twitter.com/IsiahWhitlockJr/status/1325426157869797376?s=20

Two lmao’s in a row.

Pretty sure that apostrophe shouldn’t be there but it looks right for some reason.

[burnmotherfucker!]

If only republicans had a spine there is a very obvious fix to this all. Get rid of the crying baby who is now trying to take his military toys and bash them against the walls because he is unfit and its never been more clear. Then have Pence for 2 months. Oh wait, that's what would happen if there were adults handling things.

[allegate]

https://www.fstl1992.com/fstlmerch

SAD.

[zero]

blah blah blah

[Swykk]

I’m trying not to let shit like this get me going but it’s getting pretty concerning. Trump and Barr are going to try something. It’s going to be a long two months.

https://thehill.com/homenews/525221-barr-clears-justice-department-to-probe-substantial-allegations-of-voter-fraud

[tony.parente]

https://youtu.be/VAyh2xPrFvo
I snorted.

[allegro]

I’m trying not to let shit like this get me going but it’s getting pretty concerning. Trump and Barr are going to try something. It’s going to be a long two months.

https://thehill.com/homenews/525221-barr-clears-justice-department-to-probe-substantial-allegations-of-voter-fraud

I am fucking FREAKING OUT ABOUT THIS! This looks LIKE A COUP! Fuck these fascists!!!!

[leo3375]

So what happens when there are no solid cases of election/voter fraud when the Electoral College votes on December 14? By the way, that is the most likely scenario. I think T***p is realizing that the courts and SCOTUS may not install him for another 4 years (at least) so he's hoping that the DOJ can pull some mafia-style coercion of the states that weren't projected on Election Night.

[allegro]

WTF

https://twitter.com/segalmr/status/1325945054779887619?s=21

[GulDukat]

I'm not going to give this any headspace. Biden will be sworn in on 1/20.

[BRoswell]

Classic Trumpy behavior: when things don't go his way, he vomits out a bunch of lawsuits to tie things up.

[Jinsai]

I am in NO WAY freaking out about this bullshit. Guys, it is NOT going to happen. He lost, he's going away. I know he's going to try to do anything he can, but he's going to fail. I know we've gotten used to him somehow failing upwards and being this untouchable fuckup, but that's over. Those days are done. He's fucking going away, and we can all just group hug and sing Kumbayah or however it's spelled, and relax. We've earned it.

This shit is NOT going anywhere. Just enjoy it.

[allegro]

I *HIGHLY* recommend this thread about Republicans cheating in elections.

https://twitter.com/jennycohn1/status/1325553155887673352?s=20

[Haysey_Draws]

https://youtu.be/VAyh2xPrFvo
I snorted.

This guys pretty good! Especially if your British, he blasted onto the scene a couple years ago on social media pretended to advice our leaders speeches from behind the scenes and they are just fucking funny!

[botley]

Libertarians actually used to be okay! Like, long ago. Then, they morphed into this fucking wacky "we're Republicans but we don't wanna say we're Republicans because some of us are pro-choice and we smoke weed and we're not all that religious. But, fuck taxes and government regulations!! Oh, but I don't wanna PAY for my kid's school, oh and I think we need a GIANT MILITARY, but I don't like war." And I've been roped into "discussions" with some of those "Gold Standard" Libertarians, omg.

It's all based on white supremacy, particularly as it manifests in settler colonialism. Religious or no, libertarianism (in this continent anyway) can't exist without that bullshit manifest destiny terra nullius doctrine that is based on the genocide of Indigenous people. I don't see how anyone could organize a society that way, unless it's based on the assumption that the land is yours for the taking. It straight-up pretends that Indigenous people don't exist; meanwhile, many are still on the land they stewarded for hundreds of generations.

1326087039532507137

[allegro]

This just keeps getting crazier.

https://twitter.com/john_hudson/status/1325951585042771968?s=21

https://twitter.com/gurucowboy/status/1325983739223003137?s=21

[allegate]

The Koch brothers, and the larger market, hate Trump, because he's incredibly unstable, and markets hate instability. McConnell and Graham are going along for the ride to a point, because they can't risk alienating a huge voting swath before the GA runoffs in January. I'm sure they don't even know when exactly they plan to bail, but I think their general approach is "Support Trump's BS right up to the last possible second, maybe get some legal wins to make it a foregone conclusion we win GA, then let's dump his body in a ditch and move on."man, here's hoping this is what we're seeing.

[allegro]

https://twitter.com/mcfaul/status/1326007561640837121?s=21

https://twitter.com/mcfaul/status/1326032733202599937?s=21

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1325878840854343680?s=21

[Jinsai]

every now and again, when I'm feeling down, I just read this (https://www.theonion.com/when-youre-feeling-low-just-remember-ill-be-dead-in-ab-1819584806)

It's still legal to read it, and laugh at it, and it's mostly true still. This guy is a fucking monster, but he's not some permanent fixture in the republican party. Maybe some clowns will try to make him another Reagan (and really, how fucking dumb has that lionization been), but it aint gonna happen. Trump was too stupid and ridiculous. It's not gonna age well.

Just laugh at him at this point, and wave goodbye.

[halo eighteen]

In a perfect world, Trump won't be in any position to run in 2024.

[versusreality]

of course he's going to run again in 2024.

would be hilarious if he is a two time loser.

would be the end of the country if he wins again.

[allegate]

looking at his supporters you could say the same if he loses again. fucking choads.

[allegro]

https://twitter.com/michaelhattem/status/1325664627443830784?s=21

[allegro]

https://twitter.com/mathilde1469/status/1325244672512503810?s=21

[allegro]

https://twitter.com/thedailyshow/status/1325951831667699712?s=21

[allegro]

https://twitter.com/ava/status/1325291413517463553?s=21

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/wyntermitchell/status/1326203534291816448?s=20

That seems an appropriate response to me, right?

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1326225961738772491?s=20

this motherfucker...

https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-11-2015/XBVvL8.gif

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1326166348171534336?s=20

so Susan Collins got a job as a lawyer apparently?

[allegro]

allegate - The Lincoln Project has started a merciless campaign against JonesDay and PorterWright, holy shit.

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1326241125796089859?s=20

https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1326189802367184897?s=20

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1326212317424578560?s=20

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1326214012560928768?s=20

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1326213591477972994?s=20
^^^^ READ THE REPLIES IN THIS LAST TWITTER THREAD!!! OMG!!

[allegro]

Oh, and there's this campaign circulating:

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1326210828580892672?s=20

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1326252204999708673?s=20

the youth today, I swear.

:D

[allegro]

https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1326252204999708673?s=20


Oh man fucking PROPS to this, AMEN!!!

[allegate]

Oh, and there's this campaign circulating:

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1326210828580892672?s=20
they couldn't find a better picture of her? the necklace looks like it was made out of teeth for Pete's sake.

[Magnetic]

This is making my blood boil. (https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/politics/donald-trump-transition-biden-block/index.html)

YOU FUCKING LOST! YOU GO AWAY!!!

This is upending our democratic process that our nation is founded upon. And what's worse is that I feel completely powerless to do anything. I have never hated anyone more in my entire life....

[allegro]

The Bush-Gore decision didn't happen until December 12th.

There's still plenty of time to get all this transition stuff done.

The drop-dead date for the Electoral College this year is December 8th (https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11641):


December 8, 2020: The “Safe Harbor” Deadline
The U.S. Code (3 U.S.C. §5) provides that if election results are contested in any state, and if the state, prior to election day, has enacted procedures to settle controversies or contests over electors and electoral votes, and if these procedures have been applied, and the results have been determined six days before the electors’ meetings, then these results are considered to be conclusive, and will apply in the counting of the electoral votes. This date, known as the “Safe Harbor” deadline, falls on December 8 in 2020. The governor of any state where there was a contest, and in which the contest was decided according to established state procedures, is required (3 U.S.C. §6) to send a certificate describing the form and manner by which the determination was made to the Archivist as soon as practicable.

December 14, 2020: Electors Vote in Their States
Monday after the second Wednesday in December of presidential election years is set (3 U.S.C. §7) as the date on which the electors meet and vote. In 2020, the meeting is on December 14. Electoral college delegations meet separately in their respective states and the District of Columbia at places designated by their state legislature. The electors vote by paper ballot, casting one ballot for President and one for Vice President. The electors count the results and then sign six certificates, each of which contains two lists, one of which includes the electoral votes for the President, the other, electoral votes for the Vice President, each of which includes the names of persons receiving votes and the number of votes cast for them. These are known as Certificates of the Vote, which the electors are required to sign. They then pair the six Certificates of Ascertainment provided by the state governors with the Certificates of the Vote, and sign, seal, and certify them (3 U.S.C. §§8-10). The six certificates are then distributed by registered mail as follows: (1) one certificate to the President of the U.S. Senate (the Vice President); (2) two certificates to the secretary of state (or equivalent officer) of the state in which the electors met; (3) two certificates to the Archivist; and (4) one certificate to the judge of the U.S. district court of the district in which the electors met (3 U.S.C. §11).

December 23, 2020: Certificates Must Be Delivered to the Designated Officials
Certificates of electoral vote results must be delivered to above mentioned officers by the fourth Wednesday in December, in 2020, by December 23 (3 U.S.C. §12).
Failure to Deliver Certificates by December 23

If the certificates from any state have not been delivered by December 23, 2020, the President of the Senate, or in their absence the Archivist, is required to request the secretary of state or equivalent officer in that state to send one of the copies they hold to the President of the Senate by registered mail (3 U.S.C. §12, 13). The Code also directs them to send a messenger to the judge of the U.S. district court in the state directing the judge to transmit the certificate they hold by “hand ... to the seat of government.”

[Jinsai]

yes, but... the debate about the Gore/Bush thing was insanely close. In this case, Trump fucking LOST. He lost the popular vote (again) and lost the electoral college. He doesn't have jack shit. He is just such a big baby and he's used to stomping his feet and getting his way. Everything about this is just unfortunate, but he will eventually put on his big boy pants (maybe with some help) and get the fuck out of my life.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/LauraLitvan/status/1326272472187068419?s=20

perfectly normal meeting. nothing to worry about at all.

also me:

https://media0.giphy.com/media/HThocT5vEPT9K/giphy.gif

[Haysey_Draws]

I don't understand, He watched over as thousands of American people died from a pandemic he refused to acknowledge, mocked people protesting to not be killed because of their race, told basically nazi's to "stand by", and now is refusing to accept people voted against him and throwing everything Americans stand for under the bus and people, somehow, STILL SUPPORT HIM. I do not understand the world at the best of times, but this is just fucking insanity to me!

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status/1326263560696029186?s=20

https://twitter.com/rabrowne75/status/1326284851268489217?s=20

[d1stinct]

https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1326225961738772491?s=20

this motherfucker...

https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-11-2015/XBVvL8.gif


He seems very nervous when speaking, breathless, his heart had to be close to exploding.

[Jinsai]

Y'know, I would love to be a fly on the wall during these flailing pathetic huddles... it's gotta be a montage of "no, that won't actually work" over and over and over again, while Trump sweats and eats McDonalds and slurps his diet Coke.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/Remy_Anne/status/1326246667083870208?s=20

it would be funnier if it weren't the country I'm currently living in I guess?

https://i.gifer.com/LJVn.gif

[burnmotherfucker!]

At this point, if trump doesn't prove widespread voter fraud in the millions in a court of law (hint: he can't) then he is clearly guilty of treason.

These are the only two outcomes. I hope the CIA and FBI step in and do their jobs to save the country.

And Mcconnell, Barr, all of them are also guilty of treason after this plays out. Without democracy this whole thing crumbles, and they seem to want it to.

[Jinsai]

that's not gonna happen burnmotherfucker! and you gotta know that.

Similarly, all these stalling tactics and pathetic bullshit from the Trump team aren't going anywhere. This will all go according to plan.

The problem is, Trump is seeding this conspiracy theory about election fraud that, no matter how ridiculous it is, is never going to go away.

[burnmotherfucker!]

that's not gonna happen @burnmotherfucker! (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=6122) and you gotta know that.

Similarly, all these stalling tactics and pathetic bullshit from the Trump team aren't going anywhere. This will all go according to plan.

The problem is, Trump is seeding this conspiracy theory about election fraud that, no matter how ridiculous it is, is never going to go away.

Oh, of course it won't happen! But it is true that he is willfully sowing distrust in democracy and weakening the country on purpose. That IS treason.

-the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government

People still think Obama is a Muslim Arab born in Africa. They still think pizza-gate is real. Of course the conspiracy will never go away. People will probably commit acts of violence when they see Trump will be removed.

[M1ke]

https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status/1326263560696029186?s=20

https://twitter.com/rabrowne75/status/1326284851268489217?s=20

This part scares me. There's nothing he can do legally.

But if he installs his own people in the intelligence communities and at the head of the military.....is the law going to matter?

[GulDukat]

When I hear Trump supporters talking about PA recounts and a second term, I think of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMRrNY0pxfM

[allegro]

At this point, if trump doesn't prove widespread voter fraud in the millions in a court of law (hint: he can't)

Whenever I see these idiots on social media talking about sworn statements and witnesses etc., this gives me joy:

https://twitter.com/thekoreanvegan/status/1325479249189482498?s=21

[allegate]

https://i.imgur.com/gGogtn7.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/nqEiJvW.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ikSH3QV.jpg

[Erneuert]

Someone needs to put Trump’s head on the last guy he says to give his pen back to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjrlTMvirVo (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VjrlTMvirVo)

[chuckrh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssvgMHCa45s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUjrqFVBgc8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPIdRJlzERo

[DF118]

So is the plan to:

1: Refuse to give concession speech, so his supporters stay riled up
2: Spread as much misinformation about voter fraud as possible, so that it sticks
3: Have the GOP secretly congrat Biden, to keep the Democrats satisfied, while publicly still supporting Trump to spread further disinformation
4: Stack the Pentagon with loyalists to keep it on-side
5: Have a standoff with the electoral college, litigate, threaten, use Brooks Brothers riot as a playbook, etc, try to replace them with faithless electors
6: Have the election decided by the GOP in the House of Representatives (by delegation at the state level, so Red states, as there's more of them)
7: Stay President?

Am I reading this right?

[versusreality]

in a (much closer) 1876 election, the losing candidate (Tilden) also didn't concede and it was so close that both candidates planned an inauguration day. It wasn't until two days before inauguration day that Tilden cancelled his inauguration. There was almost a gathering of people to storm the White House in a violent way, but this did not come to pass. Hayes had to be sworn in in secret. The Compromise of 1877 came from this election.

In 1916, both candidates declared victory. It wasn't until late November that the loser (Hughes) conceded.

crazy shit has happened in this country. looks like we can have a Tilden/Hughes situation here. maybe worse.

[Aladdinsanity]

Can Biden not just as easliy shitcan all the loyalists Trump is trying to stuff into the Pentagon at this last minute?

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/mark_dow/status/1326697823589425152?s=19

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/ohhithom/status/1326876209515540484?s=20

[Magnetic]

Money raised to pay for recounts goes to covering campaign debts, funding future political activities and boosting like-minded figures.
(https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/12/trump-fraud-claims-fundraising-436188)

(https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/12/trump-fraud-claims-fundraising-436188)

(https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/12/trump-fraud-claims-fundraising-436188)

[d1stinct]

https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election

“There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised,”

“While we know there are many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process of our elections, we can assure you we have the utmost confidence in the security and integrity of our elections, and you should, too,”

“When you have questions, turn to elections officials as trusted voices as they administer elections.”

The joint statement comes after Bryan Ware, the assistant director for cybersecurity at the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, known as C.I.S.A., submitted his resignation on Thursday.

[Kodiak33]

This is all BS, and Trump is acting like a sore loser...is anyone surprised? The republicans following him are doing this to raise money for the campaign and the RNC.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-election-trump-fundraising-insigh/donations-under-8k-to-trump-election-defense-instead-go-to-president-rnc-idINKBN27R30B

[allegro]

This is all BS, and Trump is acting like a sore loser...is anyone surprised? The republicans following him are doing this to raise money for the campaign and the RNC.

Figures

The disclosures would allow Trump and the RNC to channel the donations into other political causes or campaigns, such as the two high-stakes January Senate runoff races in Georgia that could determine control of the Senate and are likely to rank among the most expensive races in U.S. history.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/FirenzeMike/status/1326989724792320001?s=20

the utter euphoria while watching this, wow.

edit: the full thing was linked further down.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0YTM8iO4_s

[d1stinct]

Thanks allegate, that video is just fucking marvelous.

[onthewall2983]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR_lWTVi70g

[M1ke]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1327279929319432200

This reminds me of a situation with my ex-wife....she once asked me if she could take our daughter to a movie on a night that our daughter was scheduled to be with me. I told her to just take her to the movie on one of her nights instead, and she wrote back to say that she had cancelled the plans, but not to worry because she wouldn't blame me for cancelling, she would just tell our daughter that they couldn't do it because of me.

I swear to god, words don't actually mean anything to narcissists.

[allegate]

https://i.imgur.com/f09Izmn.jpg

*alwayssunnycrying.gif*

https://i.imgur.com/b8Moa1r.jpg


you think someone asked about billable hours and was informed that they would be paid on Jan 21, 2021?

[Jinsai]

Fox is going with the take that the lawyers in Pennsylvania quit after The Lincoln Project doxxed them on Twitter and encouraged people to call. They claim they've received threats... and to be fair, the fact that the Lincoln Project signed off on that tweet with a skull and crossbones emoji doesn't make it look all that great considering.

[allegro]

Fox is going with the take that the lawyers in Pennsylvania quit after The Lincoln Project doxxed them on Twitter and encouraged people to call. They claim they've received threats... and to be fair, the fact that the Lincoln Project signed off on that tweet with a skull and crossbones emoji doesn't make it look all that great considering.

They use a pirate flag emoji?

The Lincoln Project was in Twitmo for 12 hours because of that stuff, btw. Was still pretty effective. Law firms like this are ho’s.

[allegro]

They’re SCREAMING as he passes. He’s like their rock star.

He now has more than SEVENTY-THREE MILLION VOTES. 2ND IN U.S. HISTORY. Wtf. *

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1327662622364282881?s=21




*Biden has more than seventy-eight million votes, the most in U.S. history.


Perspective:

Obama 2008, received 69,498,516 votes

Obama 2012 received 65,915,795 votes

Clinton 1992 received 44,909,889 votes

Clinton 1996 received 47,401,185 votes

Reagan 1980 received 43,903,230 votes

Voter turnout in the 2020 election is the highest in over a century. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/bypass.theweek.com/speedreads-amp/949579/2020-election-sees-highest-voter-turnout-century)


So far, 63.9 percent of Americans eligible to vote cast a ballot in the 2020 election, the highest portion since 1908's record 65.7 percent turnout. Turnout in all but eight states is projected to exceed 40-year records, with turnout in Minnesota and Wisconsin coming close to 80 percent, The Washington Post reports.

Overall, total 2020 turnout is projected to rise to 66.5 percent once all votes are tallied. That'll be the highest portion since 1900's 73.7 percent turnout among eligible voters. A much smaller voter pool was eligible to cast ballots in the 1900 and 1908 elections, as women, Asian Americans, and some Native Americans could not vote, and other non-white Americans were discouraged from voting through Jim Crow laws and intimidation.

Voter turnout has been on pace to exceed records since Americans began casting early votes weeks before the election. Increased access to voting via absentee ballots and early voting likely played a big role in driving turnout.

[DF118]

Fox is going with the take that the lawyers in Pennsylvania quit after The Lincoln Project doxxed them on Twitter and encouraged people to call. They claim they've received threats... and to be fair, the fact that the Lincoln Project signed off on that tweet with a skull and crossbones emoji doesn't make it look all that great considering.

It could just come down to the likelihood that they're being instructed to lie.

[onthewall2983]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jwSYVFiyFg

[Jinsai]

Today he literally tweeted “I won the Election!” That was it - that’s not an excerpt. Again, I guess it bears repeating, but just IMAGINE if Hillary Clinton lost like this!!!!

[onthewall2983]

I think that was a response to all the call-backs on the one he did that morning that began with the two words "He won".

The man is an idiot.

[Jinsai]

Still, I bet a good chunk of vocal Trump supporters had wet dreams where Hillary Clinton cried and whined and pleaded like this. They wouldn't shut the fuck up about how much they hated her and wanted her to go to jail even though she pretty much conceded and fucked right off, and they never had to even deal with ONE FUCKING DAY of her being president.

CAN YOU IMAGINE if she'd gone off like this and refused to concede?

[burnmotherfucker!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUkp8OQBs5U

bizarre, hilarious, and sad all at the same time and all I can think of is that one Seinfeld episode

[halo eighteen]

Still, I bet a good chunk of vocal Trump supporters had wet dreams where Hillary Clinton cried and whined and pleaded like this. They wouldn't shut the fuck up about how much they hated her and wanted her to go to jail even though she pretty much conceded and fucked right off, and they never had to even deal with ONE FUCKING DAY of her being president.

CAN YOU IMAGINE if she'd gone off like this and refused to concede?

I try to imagine her or Obama doing a single THING (of the dozens upon dozens) that Trump has done, and how there either would have been a live lynching sanctioned by McConnell, or heads on stakes. And that's not even hyperbole.

[Jinsai]

I know, but I still can't wrap my head around it. Imagine if the tables were reversed. Clinton won 2016, and Trump beat her in her re-election bid by 7 million votes in the popular tally and also won the electoral college by a landslide... and then Hillary Clinton went on Twitter and said "I CONCEDE NOTHING!" and then said "I won the election!"

I'm not even sure how that would play out, but I can only imagine that it would be really confusing and stupid and shitty. I honestly don't even know what his strategy is at this point. There's all this speculation that he wants to build some alt-right media empire or something... The truth is, thankfully, we ALL really know he will no longer be the sitting president after January 20th.

I really think it's just his ego can't handle the monumental loss, and he's being a baby at the expense of everyone else, like he's done every time he's lost in his life, which has usually been something nobody really sees. This time, the entire world watched him lose in every way, and he just can't take it. I really like to go with concepts like "history will remember this badly." Who fucking knows though. Is anyone expecting Trump to have a moment where he comes to a realization or something?

His dad never told him how to lose or accept defeat. He handed him a billion dollars and told him that if he ever lost he was a fucking loser... and here's what happens when you do that.

[allegate]

How are they so bad at this and yet also the ones in charge?

https://twitter.com/VomitingUnicon/status/1328724715435929601?s=20

[allegro]

DYING laughing

https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1328839911978504195?s=21



https://mobile.twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1328772449018769412?s=21

[allegro]

Story here: https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5fb3e6cac5b6aad41f73600b/amp?xif=&__twitter_impression=true

[Erneuert]

https://i.imgur.com/f09Izmn.jpg

*alwayssunnycrying.gif*

https://i.imgur.com/b8Moa1r.jpg


you think someone asked about billable hours and was informed that they would be paid on Jan 21, 2021?


Jesus Christ, I think that's the orangest I've ever seen him look in a photo in that large one there. Why does he think having his skin like that makes him look good? Really, why?

[Jinsai]

Jesus Christ, I think that's the orangest I've ever seen him look in a photo in that large one there. Why does he think having his skin like that makes him look good? Really, why?

I dunno, maybe he thinks it makes his dimples pop. I really just can't wait to throw a party when he gets the fuck out of my life.

[ton]

Trump is the actual living example of a narcissist. A lot of people use the term "narcissist" incorrectly when describing someone - merely describing a person that's just vain or overconfident. But Trump is a man that actually fits the psychological profile... I also know some people in life who are like this. They have no true empathy for people in the real world and no recognition of the harm or wrong they've done. They live in a facade of charm and social ego-supply to protect a very fragile and weak inner self. They will never admit to loss or fault or apologize for anything. They also view every relationship in life as transactional and conditional. It's not shocking to see him dropping people left and right when they betray his so-called loyalty.

That's why none of this surprises me, as dangerous as it is to a democracy & society.

[Erneuert]

https://twitter.com/FirenzeMike/status/1326989724792320001?s=20

the utter euphoria while watching this, wow.

edit: the full thing was linked further down.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0YTM8iO4_s

That made my week. Such passion. Was it scripted?

[allegate]

Hard to say. It almost seems like it's still yet part of a bigger piece the way it starts out. Reminds me a lot of Charlie Booker's Weekly Wipe. I think 2020 would have been a smidge more bearable if he were still doing those. I also think he would have put a gun in his mouth around April or May however so comme ci, comme ça.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/status/1329101902378766336?s=20

I also would have accepted "Coup Cluck Clan" or "Coup Clutz Can't" but whatever.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/scalzi/status/1329445236200845316?s=20

[allegro]

Trump filed suit against the six Nevada electors in an attempt to stop them from voting for Biden. One elector claims to be a homeless veteran. The Biden campaign is representing them.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-18/nevada-gop-claim-in-lawsuit-fraud-made-trump-loss-illegitimate

[Swykk]

Sidney Powell and Rudy are such fucking dopey clowns.

Why are we permitting this shit show to happen? We shouldn’t even be humoring these fascist turds; especially in courts.

The orange diaper baby lost. Go the fuck home to Mar-A-Lago and wait for NYC to indict your dumb broke ass.

@allegro (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76) How are any of these ridiculous law suits permitted to go anywhere? If they don’t have evidence why are they able to just waste time and money here? Now they’re suing people for doing their jobs.

[allegate]

Sidney Powell and Rudy are such fucking dopey clowns.

Why are we permitting this shit show to happen? We shouldn’t even be humoring these fascist turds; especially in courts.

The orange diaper baby lost. Go the fuck home to Mar-A-Lago and wait for NYC to indict your dumb broke ass.

@allegro (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76) How are any of these ridiculous law suits permitted to go anywhere? If they don’t have evidence why are they able to just waste time and money here? Now they’re suing people for doing their jobs.
https://twitter.com/petersagal/status/1329489940120559634?s=20

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/owillis/status/1329492698680619008?s=20

:D

[Erneuert]

^ Just came here to post a similar thing lol

https://www.wfla.com/news/viral-news/rudy-giulianis-leaking-hair-dye-takes-social-media-by-storm/amp/ (https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.wfla.com/news/viral-news/rudy-giulianis-leaking-hair-dye-takes-social-media-by-storm/amp/)

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1329816478670053377?s=20

every time I see Dinesh's name I think of my co-worker who thinks that he's smart. It hurts me inside.

[allegro]

@allegro (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76) How are any of these ridiculous law suits permitted to go anywhere? If they don’t have evidence why are they able to just waste time and money here? Now they’re suing people for doing their jobs.

You've probably noticed that they aren't going anywhere. Powell is blabbing about a bunch of "evidence" on television (mostly internet conspiracy theories) but hasn't presented any evidence in court. When you don't present sufficient evidence in the fraud complaint, the complaint is tossed out.

The Pennsylvania suit was tossed with prejudice (meaning it cannot be re-filed) by a judge who's a member of the Federalist Society.

Fraud cases must follow the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, particularly strict scrutiny and Rule 9(b) (https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_9) which requires "particularity" of circumstance (who, what, when, where, how) as well as conditions of mind (malice and intent) proving that it wasn't an error.

Note that the Gore v Bush SCOTUS case is not precedent (equal protection) because Justice O'Connor purposely included language in the opinion that the opinion was NOT to be considered precedent.

The Michigan situation is interesting because Trump wants an audit before the certification, except Michigan law specifies that an audit cannot occur until after certification (https://twitter.com/JocelynBenson/status/1329907638243651584?s=20).

This is just awful, all of it. To me, it looks like a bloodless coup. Trump is bad enough, but the Republicans who are backing him make it worse. It's not that they are spineless; they aren't; they WANT him to stay in power, at all costs, even if the end result means the loss of election integrity and trust forever. Trump swore to uphold the Constitution, but he's now doing everything to undermine voters' votes.

The idiot is pissed that auditors can't "check signatures" on the envelopes of absentee ballots during audits.

What the FUCK is THAT supposed to do? The envelopes aren't attached to any BALLOTS. You don't know for whom that envelope voted!!

The envelopes come in, the signatures on the envelopes are checked against the logs and then - if they MATCH - the ballot (which contains NO SIGNATURE) is removed from the envelope and SEPARATED FROM THE ENVELOPE, deliberately, because VOTING IS PRIVATE.

Voting booths are PRIVATE, too.

When you vote in person, you sign a log and a voting judge checks it against your signature on record. You then go into a booth and your IDENTITY IS NOT KNOWN IN THAT BOOTH.

Trump somehow thinks that the envelope with the person's signature is stapled to the ballots or something. Because Trump IS A FUCKING MORON.

And his supporters are EVEN DUMBER. They're circulating YouTube videos on Twitter, losing their shit because the vids are showing election workers shredding envelopes. I commented on Twitter that this is perfectly legal. Someone responded "only after a set amount of time." I responded, "cite the GA law." She couldn't. I responded, "because the ballots are PRIVATE, you NEVER SIGN BALLOTS, your envelope CANNOT be traced back to ballots AND THAT IS INTENTIONAL."

Silence.

Duh.

There are all these Q people, especially from other countries, all over Twitter, "They stole Trump's Presidency, now we will steal Biden's."

Except they spent 8 years harassing Obama (they're still on there claiming Obama was born in Kenya, runs a pedo ring, etc.) and they spent 8 years before THAT harassing Bill Clinton, and Hillary, too, relentlessly. Before that, they were evil to Jimmy Carter and his family.

Republicans want a fucking Banana Republic. That’s no exaggeration, it’s reality.

Meanwhile, Trump just ordered a recount in Georgia, which he can do because the margin was so slim. Except Georgia just did a hand-counted audit, which is more accurate than a machine recount. This recount will be at the cost of Georgia taxpayers, and risks the workers getting Covid (again).

And I hope this really motivates Georgia Democrats to vote in the two Democratic Senators on January 5th.

[Erneuert]

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1329816478670053377?s=20

every time I see Dinesh's name I think of my co-worker who thinks that he's smart. It hurts me inside.

That actually gave me the perfect image in my head for how Trump will leave office in January:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/4a48f4e7d5165275bc080e394d985683/tenor.gif

[Jinsai]

Trump filed suit against the six Nevada electors in an attempt to stop them from voting for Biden.

How is this a thing that's happening? Why aren't more people mad? Is it because everyone who is furious has already been furious for four years? Is it really that dumb? Is that why they think they can get away with this?

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1330718012576571395

You know, it's been a dark morning and this helped.

[allegro]

How is this a thing that's happening? Why aren't more people mad? Is it because everyone who is furious has already been furious for four years? Is it really that dumb? Is that why they think they can get away with this?

Look what he Trump did in Michigan this weekend! Invited the Republican leaders of the Michigan House and Senate to the White House (while Covid is raging in Michigan and another shutdown is inevitable). They accepted, FLEW COMMERCIAL, then attended a party at the Trump Hotel in D.C. complete with champagne toasts all around.

Michigan Electors MUST vote for whomever won the popular vote in Michigan - UNLESS MICHIGAN LEGISLATORS CHANGE THE LAW.

Oh, no signs of impropriety THERE. Wtf.

Republican Congress and the Republican state legislators across the country are controlling the show - and SUPPORTED BY THEIR CONSTITUENTS - in the interest of upholding this system which is slowly (more rapidly, lately) approaching a Banana Republic, and that is not an exaggeration. The VERY relatively few progressives on the left will be shut down via LAW AND ORDER and flagrant cheating and suppression in order to keep this plutocracy intact.



Trump and team DID fire Q Anon lawyer Sidney Powell over the weekend.

[Jinsai]

the fact that there was even this Qanon LAWYER... like, what kind of FUCKING LAWYER is into Qanon?! Where did they even find her? This is so insane

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/NancySinatra/status/1330969096402268161?s=20

this seems like a level of self-awareness we could have used three/four years ago.

[Swykk]

Michigan voted to certify earlier despite one abstain vote. Suck it, Shinkle.

[Jinsai]

y'know, I wasn't very enthusiastic about Biden, just any port in a storm... but really, he's got a great "eat shit motherfucker" smile, and he can't seem to stop doing it, and I'm starting to feel like he's just what we all need right now.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1331013908971261953

is that a concession?

[M1ke]

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1331013908971261953

is that a concession?

Jesus fuck, it's happening!!!!!!

[versusreality]

he'll say something totally opposite later tonight or tomorrow. we know how he works by now.

[Jinsai]

I think at this point he knows it's over, and he's looking for the best way to walk out of the room. He knows the whole conspiracy theory stuff isn't going to fly, and now he just wants to embarrass himself as little as he can so he can launch his TV network or whatever. He knows the president thing is over.

I just hope there's something out there that reminds him, constantly, you're one of only 10 incumbents who lost re-election... you're the only one to lose the popular vote twice, and both times you broke a record there. There's a lot of dumbasses out there that love you, but you know you secretly think they're morons. I want someone to just remind him constantly that he's a loser who lost harder than ANY human being has ever lost, and I hope they never let him forget it.

[GulDukat]

Jesus fuck, it's happening!!!!!!
He will never concede, but I'm guessing we will see a tweet like this:

I WON THE ELECTION, BIG! BUT BECAUSE OF FRAUD IN DEMOCRAT STATES, THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN. BIGGEST SCANDAL EVER IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. FOR THE GOOD OF OUR COUNTRY I WILL ALLOW SLEEPY JOE TO ASSUME OFFICE, BUT I WILL RUN AGAIN IN 2024 AND I WILL WIN MAGA!

[M1ke]

He will never concede, but I'm guessing we will see a tweet like this:

I WON THE ELECTION, BIG! BUT BECAUSE OF FRAUD IN DEMOCRAT STATES, THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN. BIGGEST SCANDAL EVER IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. FOR THE GOOD OF OUR COUNTRY I WILL ALLOW SLEEPY JOE TO ASSUME OFFICE, BUT I WILL RUN AGAIN IN 2024 AND I WILL WIN MAGA!

Good enough for me.

[sonic_discord]

I think at this point he knows it's over, and he's looking for the best way to walk out of the room. He knows the whole conspiracy theory stuff isn't going to fly, and now he just wants to embarrass himself as little as he can so he can launch his TV network or whatever. He knows the president thing is over.

I just hope there's something out there that reminds him, constantly, you're one of only 10 incumbents who lost re-election... you're the only one to lose the popular vote twice, and both times you broke a record there. There's a lot of dumbasses out there that love you, but you know you secretly think they're morons. I want someone to just remind him constantly that he's a loser who lost harder than ANY human being has ever lost, and I hope they never let him forget it.

You forgot the fact that he's one of only three US presidents to be formally impeached by Congress! (four if you count Nixon, who only faced impeachment inquiries and resigned before he could actually be impeached)

[bobbie solo]

I think at this point he knows it's over, and he's looking for the best way to walk out of the room. He knows the whole conspiracy theory stuff isn't going to fly, and now he just wants to embarrass himself as little as he can so he can launch his TV network or whatever. He knows the president thing is over.

I just hope there's something out there that reminds him, constantly, you're one of only 10 incumbents who lost re-election... you're the only one to lose the popular vote twice, and both times you broke a record there. There's a lot of dumbasses out there that love you, but you know you secretly think they're morons. I want someone to just remind him constantly that he's a loser who lost harder than ANY human being has ever lost, and I hope they never let him forget it.

I want someone to spit in his fucking face one day. Take the hit and get arrested, b/c you'll be a fucking hero to most of the planet.

I also want him to be be found guilty of at least one significant thing, whether it be one of the million things he did while in office, the tax related stuff by the state of NY, or even the civil cases by the women he assaulted. I know he won't ever go to jail, but I want him found guilty for something and to get some sort of punishment. This goes for everyone in his orbit too. They need to be prosecuted for everything. Biden better not get in the way, but he prolly will b/c he fucking sucks too.

[versusreality]

and, right on que, he's back to tweeting conspiracy theories and "I concede nothing"

[allegate]

I hope that Biden understands that if he takes a soft stance on anything over the past four years he's not only going to lose the next election, he's going to lose it for the Democrats as a whole.

[Jinsai]

I hope that Biden understands that if he takes a soft stance on anything over the past four years he's not only going to lose the next election, he's going to lose it for the Democrats as a whole.

100%, and I think everyone's on board with that. He literally got more votes than any other president in history.

I'm sure someone out there would chime in with "but Trump got almost as many" but you know what? He lost, and fuck your feelings snowflake.

[allegate]

It would actually be more than a little hilarious if enough people wrote Trump in for the GA election that he went from President to Senator. I wonder if they think he'd actually show up for work?

[sweeterthan]

It would actually be more than a little hilarious if enough people wrote Trump in for the GA election that he went from President to Senator. I wonder if they think he'd actually show up for work?

ha but no. fuck that. we already have loeffler.

[elevenism]

Yaaaaaaaay!

I'm fucking thrilled.

Transition process is officially beginning. Of course, Captain Asshole is going to keep pushing his conspiracy theories, and leave one last massive shit stain on the chair of the office, the constitution, and the United States in general.

But, still! It's happening! YEEEAH! We did it!

[elevenism]

Biden is announcing cabinet nominees, live, right now!

[Erneuert]

And little did the little-winkied orange man know, all his “COVID will magically go away” mantra was actually in reference to himself. And we lived happily ever after. Except his lawyer, who drowned in a pool of his own cheap hair dye.

[Swykk]

Mike Flynn just got a full pardon. No big surprise there.

[Magnetic]

I just want Drump's head on a pike. He is a traitor to our country and our democracy. Can we do it old school, just once?

[Jinsai]

I feel like him pardoning Flynn is the closest we're going to get to a concession. I'll take it. Now fuck off to Mar a Lago with your tail between your legs and golf away your tears. Sure, it'd be great if he and Jr (and Roger Stone) actually went to jail, but I know it's not going to happen, and I don't want to spend years of my life yelling "lock him up!" like a lunatic.

Just as long as he stays out of my orbit I guess I'll just shut up and enjoy it. He can have his shitty TV channel; I'm not going to watch it and nobody can make me. I'm not going to hang out on Parler, read Breitbart, or watch Fox or OAN either.

[Erneuert]

Lawsuit filed rife with typos.

All I have to say about this is... covfefe.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/lawyer-sidney-powell-files-lawsuit-seeking-georgia-election-results-be-decertified-awarded-to-trump/news-story/56cafda7f581b2ea2bdec0365e9bda48

There are a number of typos in the filing, including the word “district” spelled incorrectly twice in the first two lines of the front page – once as “districct” and then as “distrcoict”. It also twice misspells the name of witness William M. Briggs as “William Higgs” and “Williams M. Briggs”.

[elevenism]

I just want Drump's head on a pike. He is a traitor to our country and our democracy. Can we do it old school, just once?
Vlad Tepes style.

Full Castlevania mode.

[elevenism]

I feel like him pardoning Flynn is the closest we're going to get to a concession. I'll take it. Now fuck off to Mar a Lago with your tail between your legs and golf away your tears. Sure, it'd be great if he and Jr (and Roger Stone) actually went to jail, but I know it's not going to happen, and I don't want to spend years of my life yelling "lock him up!" like a lunatic.

Just as long as he stays out of my orbit I guess I'll just shut up and enjoy it. He can have his shitty TV channel; I'm not going to watch it and nobody can make me. I'm not going to hang out on Parler, read Breitbart, or watch Fox or OAN either.

Trump isn't going ANYWHERE. TRUMPISM isn't going anywhere.

He's still the most powerful voice in the republican party. House and Senate hopefuls on the right will win primaries based on their loyalty to trump.

Current republican lawmakers will continue to do his bidding, for fear of being on the bad end of a tweet from Jesus Trump, and, thus incurring the wrath of his army of eighty something million twitter followers.

This isn't over.

MAGA isn't over.

We should just start calling it the "Trump Party."

And it's still the beginning of the end of this country.

That's how it looks to me, at any rate.

[Wretchedest]

I actually think he can go away. When he's banned from social media, if he faces serious legal consequences... He will eventually go away.

And I think trumpism flounders with him. I don't think he is replaceable. He is a perfect storm of a number of factors that contribute to his popularity. All of the other people in his orbit or in that subculture simply lack his broader appeal. They couldn't pull it off. The question is: do the Democrats have the guts to make it happen.


No. No they don't.

[richardp]

I think a lot of people forget how quickly America loses interest in somebody once they're not in the spotlight anymore. When Trump goes away, he's gonna go away. The people will find a new cultural demigod to obsess over. One thing this country seems to do well is move the fuck on from damn near everything.

Maybe I'm just way too full of food and am being too optimistic.

[elevenism]

Well, I'm a certified pessimist, @richardp (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=139) .

And the VERY last thing I see this piece of shit doing is leaving the spotlight anytime... Like, at all. I don't see him leaving it until he is dead.

I saw footage of people praying on their knees, and speaking in tongues, at places where votes were being counted, trying to magically change the outcome.
He's awakened some really, really frightening shit.
I feel 100% sure that he could start a fucking trump religion.

But I hope and pray that you guys are right, and I'm wrong.

Hey: at least we put him into the One Term President Club.

He's the Bigleyist one term POTUS since 1992. Obama wasn't able to do THAT!

[GulDukat]

Petulant child:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj8EN-UTOpc

[versusreality]

^ that's his message on thanksgiving btw.

I do not think the impact of Trump will go away when he's out of office. 70+ million people wanted that man to be president. more than the last election. the only way his impact will lessen is if he's dead (I'm not wishing death on anyone, just stating an opinion) .

[GulDukat]

Dumbass
(https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-biden-can-only-enter-white-house-president-if-he-can-prove-ridiculous-80000000-votes-1550836)
"Biden can only enter the White House as President if he can prove that his ridiculous '80,000,000 votes' were not fraudulently or illegally obtained. When you see what happened in Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia & Milwaukee, massive voter fraud, he's got a big unsolvable problem!" Trump tweeted on Friday.

[allegate]

Got my Gritty / Four Seasons Landscaping shirt but I realized it's such a niche joke that I'm going to get way more questions than laughs when I wear it. Oh well, it makes me laugh every time so who cares.

[sweeterthan]

Dumbass
(https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-biden-can-only-enter-white-house-president-if-he-can-prove-ridiculous-80000000-votes-1550836)
"Biden can only enter the White House as President if he can prove that his ridiculous '80,000,000 votes' were not fraudulently or illegally obtained. When you see what happened in Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia & Milwaukee, massive voter fraud, he's got a big unsolvable problem!" Trump tweeted on Friday.

translation: black people’s votes don’t matter to trump. how do people buy this shit ? voting is american. if you don’t support the right to vote, you shouldn’t be president.


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[M1ke]

Dumbass
(https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-biden-can-only-enter-white-house-president-if-he-can-prove-ridiculous-80000000-votes-1550836)
"Biden can only enter the White House as President if he can prove that his ridiculous '80,000,000 votes' were not fraudulently or illegally obtained. When you see what happened in Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia & Milwaukee, massive voter fraud, he's got a big unsolvable problem!" Trump tweeted on Friday.

Four years later and this idiot still hasn't figured out that random dumb shit he tweets doesn't magically become law???

WTF.....even I'm quicker than this, and I'm pretty damn slow

[botley]

Got my Gritty / Four Seasons Landscaping shirt but I realized it's such a niche joke that I'm going to get way more questions than laughs when I wear it. Oh well, it makes me laugh every time so who cares.
I opened it and showed it to my partner and it took maybe two minutes of explanation before she was like "so it has layers, huh?"

[elevenism]

Something tickled me in the thxgiving message. He said, referring to instances of "voter fraud,"

"There were probably, ten, twenty, thirty times that didn't get caught. We just got lucky and caught...numerous of them."

They caught numerous of them.

It just never ends with this guy lol. At least it's funny when he says dumb shit.

[allegro]

Holy crap

https://twitter.com/ed_solomon/status/1332453843062448134?s=21

[allegro]

Got my Gritty / Four Seasons Landscaping shirt but I realized it's such a niche joke that I'm going to get way more questions than laughs when I wear it. Oh well, it makes me laugh every time so who cares.

My husband and I have shared photos of his shirt and we get a ton of laughs. His WoW friends wanted the link so they could buy one, too.

Mostly, my husband says it’s the most comfortable shirt he owns. I got him the “extra soft” shirt.

[onthewall2983]

Holy crap

https://twitter.com/ed_solomon/status/1332453843062448134?s=21


https://twitter.com/shrimpJAJ

[Swykk]

This appeal bullshit is going to SCOTUS and I don’t like that at all.

I hate that I still have to think about this fucking election and worry about this orange asshole cheating his way into a second term. He lost. Fairly.

God, I want him to face indictments soooooo much. I’d love for him to finally face consequences.

[elevenism]

This appeal bullshit is going to SCOTUS and I don’t like that at all.

I hate that I still have to think about this fucking election and worry about this orange asshole cheating his way into a second term. He lost. Fairly.

God, I want him to face indictments soooooo much. I’d love for him to finally face consequences.

if he cheats his way to a second term, there will be an actual fucking revolution.

MILLIONS of people, myself included, would likely go Full Weather Underground.

[Erneuert]

Was just reading this article and it makes me want to take a shit on his face more than ever:

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/heartbreaking-photo-of-doctor-hugging-elderly-covid19-patient-goes-viral/news-story/f19e97963b1f888eb95dc9b4a810671e

[GulDukat]

There is nothing to worry about. There will be no second term.

[GulDukat]

Trump was convinced he was going to win on election night in a repeat of 2016, and was 'shouting at everyone' when Fox News called Arizona for Biden (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-was-convinced-election-night-would-repeat-of-2016-report-2020-11?fbclid=IwAR3hLSCUd3RiTYGjCUaS7DUm1Zr5yuz6VuOjNH hBFhGySVQhYYAzdzUWoOg)

[Jinsai]

really, everyone, there will be no second term, LOL. Come on.

Just enjoy the fact that, behind the scenes right now, his orange makeup can't hide how red his face is, and he's flapping his tiny hands around in frustration.

Yes, it sucks that he's actively destroying democratic norms in the process, but what else is new with him.

[allegro]

This appeal bullshit is going to SCOTUS and I don’t like that at all.


Laurence Tribe is a legendary Harvard Constitutional Law professor.

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1332877988845805569?s=21



December 8th is the “Safe Harbor deadline” for this Presidential election, meaning ALL court cases challenging the election results must be FINAL by that date.

[allegate]

He's what, 1-38 now?

[Swykk]

I think it’s fair to say there’s a large degree (that is most likely obvious to everyone lol) of anxiety and having been burned many times before thinking “This’ll be what gets him!” that I have a hard time thinking he’s really done.

[allegro]

I think it’s fair to say there’s a large degree (that is most likely obvious to everyone lol) of anxiety and having been burned many times before thinking “This’ll be what gets him!” that I have a hard time thinking he’s really done.

Here’s the PA SCOTUS Order; the decision is based on the doctrine of laches: http://www.pacourts.us/assets/files/setting-7862/file-10781.pdf?cb=1f7217

Act 77 was passed over a year ago: https://www.governor.pa.gov/newsroom/governor-wolf-signs-election-reform-bill-including-new-mail-in-voting/

Plaintiffs were trying to get rid of that law to overturn this election, which violates laches.

[Swykk]

Oh, I’m not calling anyone wrong aside from hoping that I am wrong about this.

[allegro]

Oh, I’m not calling anyone wrong aside from hoping that I am wrong about this.

I’m just attempting to calm your anxiety

[GulDukat]

Trump and his allies said that they were going to pull something like this back in September/October. If Biden had just squeaked by in a few states (100k-ish) maybe Trump could have pulled off "winning" another term by cheating. But with Biden ahead nationally by six million votes and with healthy leads in several key swing-states, it ain't happening.

My hope is that after the dust has settled, more and more people will see Trump for the bully/asshole that he is and that his grip over a large segment of the population will fade over time. My fear is that someone else will come along, another Trump, but will be smoother, more "statesman" like and people will fall for this person, the way they did for Trump.

Even after four years of Trump, 74 million Americans wanted ANOTHER FOUR YEARS! Amazing, so many Americans were willing to embrace an autocrat.

[Jinsai]

There will always be another, some twisted broken narcissist who latches onto opportunity there, with angry pissed off morons who hate feminists and vegans and liberalism... whatever is strange and unfamiliar to them...and that opportunity will probably always be there. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that angry stupid people are easy to manipulate. If you have Amazon Prime watch this documentary called Evocateur :The Morton Downey Jr Movie. It’s fascinating.

[bobbie solo]

My fear about Trump trying to hold onto power doesn't reside in his failing court cases, it rests with these major Pentagon/intelligence/Advisory Board changes he's made since election day. I understand an actual military coup is basically impossible, but him installing a great number of loyalists at this point stinks to high heaven & no one can say exactly WHY he's doing this.

And now we see that Prince Jared is headed to Saudi Arabia & Qatar tomorrow with a small groups of WH advisors. All of this reeks.

[Jinsai]

All of this reeks.

of desperation. It’s over, and what he’s doing is just insane. Just keep his fingers off the nuclear button for the next month and a half and we will be ok.

As long as Trump doesn’t start a nuclear war, he’s toast. If he does, we are all done I guess.

[fillow]

So uh, is Mr Garrison going back to South Park Elementary?

[DVYDRNS]

the thing I could never figure out about people who like trump is this:

yes ok I agree. the system is insanely corrupted. its a really evil system, with a lot of really wicked men running things. plenty of these people need to be wiped out. fine, ok. I 100% agree with that.

Im with these people on that point of view... I get it.

What I cant figure out is... Why the hell do they think Trump is BETTER than any of those other people, When he is clearly more evil, power hungry and straight up stupid than any of them that I've come across in my life time.

It truly boggles the mind.

[botley]

A lot of it is plain ol' magical thinking/conspiracy theory mentality. Once you buy in, no amount of convincing evidence presented before you will dissuade — gradually, the cognitive dissonance becomes too great to bear, and parts of your 'old' personality from before you went down that path begin to drop away. It's happening a lot this year with people I knew vaguely because they're sitting at home with nothing to do but stare at the confirmation-bias machine in their hands.

[Archive_Reports]

the thing I could never figure out about people who like trump is this:

yes ok I agree. the system is insanely corrupted. its a really evil system, with a lot of really wicked men running things. plenty of these people need to be wiped out. fine, ok. I 100% agree with that.

Im with these people on that point of view... I get it.

What I cant figure out is... Why the hell do they think Trump is BETTER than any of those other people, When he is clearly more evil, power hungry and straight up stupid than any of them that I've come across in my life time.

It truly boggles the mind.

Do they think he's better or is he just representing their interests more clearly?

[SchwarzerAbt]

Do they think he's better or is he just representing their interests more clearly?

He is honest, even in his lies. He can be trusted to only serve his own interests and not those of other politicians, scientists or field experts. I guess that gives people the feeling that they too can do whatever they want?

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/piotrbartkowiak/status/1333507579734061058?s=20

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/RyanHigginsRyan/status/1333543944353792001?s=20

[Jinsai]

William Barr has now just stated that the justice dept found no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could have changed the outcome of the election.

Does that mean this ridiculous bullshit is over finally?

[versusreality]

William Barr has now just stated that the justice dept found no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could have changed the outcome of the election.

Does that mean this ridiculous bullshit is over finally?
never

[halo eighteen]

William Barr has now just stated that the justice dept found no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could have changed the outcome of the election.

Count on him being fired by Friday.

[Cookster426]

William Barr has now just stated that the justice dept found no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could have changed the outcome of the election.

Does that mean this ridiculous bullshit is over finally?


Nothing is over with Donnie. He'll whine and moan all the way to his grave. His tombstone will say, "I won!"

[allegate]

William Barr has now just stated that the justice dept found no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could have changed the outcome of the election.

Does that mean this ridiculous bullshit is over finally?
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1333857824720424961?s=20

do we get a "you're fired" tweet, I wonder?

[GulDukat]

If Trump fired Barr, he could appoint an acting AG. But really, what would be the point?

[Cookster426]

So uh, is Mr Garrison going back to South Park Elementary?

He was fired by PC Principal over his insensitive comments towards Canadians.

[allegate]

If Trump fired Barr, he could appoint an acting AG. But really, what would be the point?
well, a significant portion of the gov't is acting at this point so I don't think it matters to anyone.

[Erneuert]

He was fired by PC Principal over his insensitive comments towards Canadians.

Ya got that right fwend.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/beyondreasdoubt/status/1333887042099556352?s=20

I thought she wasn't his lawyer anymore, so why is she still filing these things? I mean I know they're not on his behalf but you'd think she'd tuck tail or something.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/kpolantz/status/1333911414273159169?s=20

so we're going to go right up to the wire with WTF moments aren't we.

[versusreality]

Trump is supposedly thinking about kicking off his 2024 campaign on Inauguration Day

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/1333906009815920644?s=20

you should find 4+ minutes to watch. he's pissed, rightly so.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/kpolantz/status/1333911414273159169?s=20

so we're going to go right up to the wire with WTF moments aren't we.
what started as "oh he's going to fire Barr!" ends up with Barr probably telling him he's not only up shit creek without a paddle, the boat's got a leak.

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1333917183315947523

[M1ke]

It'd be hilarious if 2020 ended with Joe Exotic trying to buy a pardon

[Erneuert]

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/space/barack-obama-knows-the-truth-about-aliens-and-government-ufo-files/news-story/ed0634dc90217c204a9829c77b97e9c2

In between laughing, both men reflected on the idea that an alleged government cover-up of alien life was once regarded as the biggest conspiracy theory going.

“It used to be that UFOs and Roswell was the biggest conspiracy. And now that seems so tame, the idea that the government might have an alien spaceship,” opined Mr Obama.

Zinged Colbert, “Now the biggest conspiracy is [that] people in Michigan vote (https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/republican-election-officials-threatened-during-zoom-call-for-refusing-to-certify-michigan-results/news-story/61cde459c0a60f54289206a87f089cd9).”

[allegate]

It'd be hilarious if 2020 ended with Joe Exotic trying to buy a pardon
because of English and it's dumb rules it's been determined that whomever it is, their last name ends in an s because the redaction doesn't cover the ' at the end of the possessive usage.

[allegro]

because of English and it's dumb rules it's been determined that whomever it is, their last name ends in an s because the redaction doesn't cover the ' at the end of the possessive usage.

Wait, what? Ohhhhhhhhh, okay, I’m seeing it, now.

My last name ends with an “s,” too.

When denoting possession with surname ending with an “s,”, you don’t add ANOTHER “s” after the apostrophe; you just add an apostrophe at the end of the surname to denote possession.

Mr. Jones’ cat.

So, yeah, I see it in that document.

Smells like Rick GATES.

Edit: Or Nicky Lum Davis