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Jinsai
10-15-2020, 02:46 PM
Filling out my mail-in ballot. Kanye West is on here, running for Vice President under the American Independent ticket.

Fuck you Kanye, fuck the American Independent party and their George Wallace segregationist racist bullshit, and one more time for good measure, fuck you Kanye West.

allegro
10-15-2020, 10:17 PM
https://twitter.com/petersagal/status/1316804478864105473?s=20
Yes, this is horrifying, should be horrifying to every American. I read an interview with the man who was killed before this happened, I can’t believe that the President ordered what amounts to a mob hit.

allegate
10-16-2020, 12:00 AM
I can't believe it was carried out. You hope that better angels come in eventually but I'm pretty sure Trump had all of them killed.

Archive_Reports
10-16-2020, 08:39 AM
RE: Cube

https://twitter.com/icecube/status/1316719546326278144

allegro
10-16-2020, 12:46 PM
^ Says the guy who wants to protect his money.

allegate
10-16-2020, 02:00 PM
https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1317123664626810880?s=20

amazing, just amazing.

Jinsai
10-19-2020, 10:52 AM
Mike Love is a back-stabbing piece of shit. We always knew he was the shitty guy in the Beach Boys... when Brian Wilson was taking trippy drugs and making crazy music that was light years ahead of its time, Mike Love was more on the "let's write songs about girls and surfing!" That and he legally asserted himself as being in control of the group and then kicked Brian Wilson out on the reunion tour.

And now Love's taken his hi-jacked version of The Beach Boys and had them join the ranks of other great Trump-supporting musical groups, like Three Doors Down and Kid Rock.

Al Jardine and Brian Wilson aren't happy about it.

https://variety.com/2020/music/news/brian-wilson-al-jardine-trump-benefit-beach-boys-disavow-california-mike-love-1234808907/amp/

versusreality
10-19-2020, 11:07 AM
as Trump fans, they should go by the name "The Bleach Boys"

allegro
10-19-2020, 08:51 PM
“Chris Pratt is MAGA” is trending.

My response is that I dig Kris Kringle.

allegate
10-19-2020, 10:44 PM
as is Fiddy. Get Rich or Die Trying, eh? apt for 2020.

https://i.imgur.com/Pwy66l9.png

https://i.imgur.com/ZI5tyHt.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/XFoDmiR.png

GulDukat
10-21-2020, 01:24 AM
Ice Cube is not a Trump supporter. (https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/us/ice-cube-donald-trump-cuomo-interview-trnd/index.html)

allegate
10-21-2020, 10:43 AM
How about instead of thinking about "failing schools" and replacing it with what appears to be charter schools that you have to be bussed to or pay for, you think about fixing in the infrastructure of what's already there? Increase school funding and repair/replace old buildings. Hell, the middle school I went to was decrepit then and it's been 30+ years since and they're still using it.

versusreality
10-21-2020, 10:45 AM
^yes
some school in the district I teach at are literally over 100 years old.

Jon
10-21-2020, 01:07 PM
How about instead of thinking about "failing schools" and replacing it with what appears to be charter schools that you have to be bussed to or pay for, you think about fixing in the infrastructure of what's already there? Increase school funding and repair/replace old buildings. Hell, the middle school I went to was decrepit then and it's been 30+ years since and they're still using it.

The inner city charter schools around here are a joke. They change their names like banks. They use half (or less) of a 70 year old school building and only pay to repave the blacktop. It's something like 24 kids, so the waiting lists are ridiculous and kids that should get in are often turned down.

hellospaceboy
10-21-2020, 03:56 PM
I guess we should talk about the Chinese bank account:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/20/politics/trump-china-taxes-financial-records/index.html

Sadly the fact that the sitting president has a secret bank account in a foreign country that he pulled millions of dollars in cash from won't make a lick of difference these days!

marodi
10-21-2020, 04:59 PM
Do you know what will make a difference?

VOTING.

The time to look for dirt on this insane man is over. Getting him out of the White House is your only chance to save your country.

versusreality
10-21-2020, 05:38 PM
exactly. strong democratic voter turn out in swing states is what we need. Biden can win the popular vote by even more than Hillary did and still lose. I hope Biden has Florida on his agenda next week to travel to. GA, MI, WI, too.

allegate
10-21-2020, 05:53 PM
I can't wait until the whole "well he didn't visit my state so I'm not voting for him" goes away. how dumb are these people?

*looks at last four years*

you know what, don't answer that.

allegro
10-21-2020, 06:07 PM
I hope Biden has Florida on his agenda next week to travel to. GA, MI, WI, too.

Biden has already been to Wisconsin (https://www.jsonline.com/picture-gallery/news/local/2020/09/03/scenes-joe-bidens-visit-kenosha-and-milwaukee/5705647002/), Michigan (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/16/joe-biden-visits-michigan-health-care-southfield-voter-participation-detroit/3677263001/) and Florida (https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/elections/2020/10/13/joe-biden-visits-south-florida-rips-trump-and-keeps-his-distance/).

allegro
10-21-2020, 06:09 PM
I guess we should talk about the Chinese bank account:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/20/politics/trump-china-taxes-financial-records/index.html


Yeah, look at that info about how much he paid in income taxes to China (while paying only around $750 in Federal income taxes in the U.S.).


The Chinese account, the newspaper said, is controlled by Trump International Hotels Management and it paid $188,561 in taxes in the country from 2013 to 2015.

While the tax records don't show how much money has moved through Trump's foreign accounts, the Internal Revenue Service mandates that filers disclose the portions of their incomes coming from foreign countries. Trump International Hotels Management reported only a few thousand dollars from China.

versusreality
10-21-2020, 06:35 PM
Biden has already been to Wisconsin (https://www.jsonline.com/picture-gallery/news/local/2020/09/03/scenes-joe-bidens-visit-kenosha-and-milwaukee/5705647002/), Michigan (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/16/joe-biden-visits-michigan-health-care-southfield-voter-participation-detroit/3677263001/) and Florida (https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/elections/2020/10/13/joe-biden-visits-south-florida-rips-trump-and-keeps-his-distance/).

he has. one last return visit to each won't hurt though. as crazy as it sounds, there are still undecided voters.

Jinsai
10-21-2020, 09:30 PM
exactly. strong democratic voter turn out in swing states is what we need. Biden can win the popular vote by even more than Hillary did and still lose.

Oh my god... if that happens, I don't know what's going to happen, but I think people will justifiably lose their fucking minds.

versusreality
10-21-2020, 09:37 PM
my concern is that Republicans have had a higher new registrations amount since the primaries as well as the fact that in MI and WI there have been more requests by Republicans than Democrats for mail in ballots (when that wasn't what was anticipated- many felt there'd be more Democrats requesting mail ins) .

allegro
10-22-2020, 03:05 PM
he has. one last return visit to each won't hurt though. as crazy as it sounds, there are still undecided voters.

No there aren't. Not buying that bullshit.


my concern is that Republicans have had a higher new registrations amount since the primaries as well as the fact that in MI and WI there have been more requests by Republicans than Democrats for mail in ballots (when that wasn't what was anticipated- many felt there'd be more Democrats requesting mail ins) .
All of this is changing daily.

versusreality
10-22-2020, 03:26 PM
No there aren't. Not buying that bullshit.


All of this is changing daily.

I wish I wasn't buying it either. sadly, I have met some of those people.

there are a lot of out of touch people in this country. I wish there wasn't.

eachpassingphase
10-22-2020, 04:06 PM
The inner city charter schools around here are a joke. They change their names like banks. They use half (or less) of a 70 year old school building and only pay to repave the blacktop. It's something like 24 kids, so the waiting lists are ridiculous and kids that should get in are often turned down.

There are a couple of really good podcasts I always point people to when they ask about public education in the US. The first is the two episodes on This American Life named “The Problem we all Live With”. There is also a new podcast miniseries called “Nice White Parents” that I have started recommending.

Both of these podcasts provide a lot of data and historical context that really helped me understand where the problems came from and how to fix them (as you hinted at, charter schools don’t really help and often hurt kids).


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allegate
10-22-2020, 04:11 PM
I tried and failed to come up with something pithy here. I apologize.

Fucking idiot (https://techcrunch.com/2020/10/22/dutch-hacker-trump-twitter-account-password/).


A Dutch security researcher says he accessed President Trump’s @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) Twitter account last week by guessing his password: “maga2020!”.

eachpassingphase
10-22-2020, 04:38 PM
I tried and failed to come up with something pithy here. I apologize.

Fucking idiot (https://techcrunch.com/2020/10/22/dutch-hacker-trump-twitter-account-password/).

You mean I could have hacked his Twitter any time I wanted to and just been tweeting “poo poo, pee pee” over and over again this whole time?

Of course he would have that password. Of course he would. I’m actually surprised it’s not just “password”


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marodi
10-22-2020, 06:20 PM
I don't know why but I've got a feeling the Orange Idiot is going to be so frustrated about the closed mic thing that he's going to walk out of the debate.

I'll be watching for sure. Whatever happens, I'm not missing it.

Jinsai
10-22-2020, 09:01 PM
my concern is that Republicans have had a higher new registrations amount since the primaries as well as the fact that in MI and WI there have been more requests by Republicans than Democrats for mail in ballots (when that wasn't what was anticipated- many felt there'd be more Democrats requesting mail ins) .

My optimistic side wants to believe that there's a bunch of sensible Republicans who are eager to correct this mistake.

versusreality
10-22-2020, 09:28 PM
My optimistic side wants to believe that there's a bunch of sensible Republicans who are eager to correct this mistake.

I actually like this outlook. this gave me a reason to smile today, thank you!

marodi
10-22-2020, 10:02 PM
Same old, same old. Trump doesn't have a plan about anything. Biden has ideas, at least.

Blah, blah, blah, word salad, it's not my fault, I'm the best at everything, I was first on the Moon and on the same day, I was the first to summit Mount Everest.

"I KNOW DIFFERENT PLACES, PEOPLE!"

Jinsai
10-22-2020, 10:36 PM
so this is just Trump making baseless accusations, and Biden having to say "that's not true" over and over again? This sucks.

marodi
10-22-2020, 10:44 PM
so this is just Trump making baseless accusations, and Biden having to say "that's not true" over and over again? This sucks.

Pretty much. Biden did say that he would not rule out fracking, though. This will make Mark Ruffalo angry because he's against fracking and we know what happens when he gets angry...

versusreality
10-22-2020, 10:51 PM
I think Biden wiped the floor with Trump. I feel his only misstep was on oil at the end. (even though I agree with what he said about it )

NotoriousTIMP
10-22-2020, 11:48 PM
Anyone else notice when they were talking about the kids in the detention center and (forgive me for not having the clip so I am paraphrasing here) and Biden said something to the fact “500+ kids are without their parents and have no where to go” and trump could be heard saying “Good” while the moderator was talking? Jesus fucking Christ this guy has no shame!

richardp
10-23-2020, 01:20 AM
Anyone else notice when they were talking about the kids in the detention center and (forgive me for not having the clip so I am paraphrasing here) and Biden said something to the fact “500+ kids are without their parents and have no where to go” and trump could be heard saying “Good” while the moderator was talking? Jesus fucking Christ this guy has no shame!

Didn't notice that part, but the part where Biden briefly misspoke and said "Where is this guy from?" and then quickly corrected to "Where Does this guy get his info from", but Trump's stupid fucking ass blurts out "QUEENS".

Like... I laughed so loud at that. What an absolute idiot.

Archive_Reports
10-23-2020, 09:24 AM
Anyone else notice when they were talking about the kids in the detention center and (forgive me for not having the clip so I am paraphrasing here) and Biden said something to the fact “500+ kids are without their parents and have no where to go” and trump could be heard saying “Good” while the moderator was talking? Jesus fucking Christ this guy has no shame!

He said "go ahead". Still a shitty response, but better.

KayBur
10-23-2020, 01:00 PM
Anyone else notice when they were talking about the kids in the detention center and (forgive me for not having the clip so I am paraphrasing here) and Biden said something to the fact “500+ kids are without their parents and have no where to go” and trump could be heard saying “Good” while the moderator was talking? Jesus fucking Christ this guy has no shame!

Interesting question: Does the course of the debate strongly influence your political views? I think, in spite of the mutual trolling of the candidates, almost every person has already decided who he will vote for before the debate. A certain percentage, of course, will change their minds, but this will clearly not be the majority.

NotoriousTIMP
10-23-2020, 11:47 PM
He said "go ahead". Still a shitty response, but better.

Damn, I was hoping that was a slip of the tongue so the media would eat him alive

hellospaceboy
10-24-2020, 12:12 AM
Interesting question: Does the course of the debate strongly influence your political views? I think, in spite of the mutual trolling of the candidates, almost every person has already decided who he will vote for before the debate. A certain percentage, of course, will change their minds, but this will clearly not be the majority.

I think the debates would only make a real difference if one of the candidates made a REALLY huge misstep, had a meltdown (not a Trump tantrum, but a real one), coughed out their dentures, fell over, stuff like that.

onthewall2983
10-25-2020, 01:58 PM
George Bush checked his watch while Bill Clinton talked to a black woman at a town hall in 1992. That was said to have made a pretty big difference.

richardp
10-25-2020, 04:38 PM
George Bush checked his watch while Bill Clinton talked to a black woman at a town hall in 1992. That was said to have made a pretty big difference.

Do you REALLY think something like that would make a difference in 2020? Behavior like that from Trump is so normal, no one would even notice that he did that. The debates in modern context are fucking pointless. No one watches debates anymore to hear two parties discuss issues. It's just to watch each candidate tear each other apart now. Trump could have literally said "FUCK BLACK LIVES MATTER" on air live at the debates and nothing would have changed. Absolutely nothing.

onthewall2983
10-25-2020, 07:54 PM
I didn't say it would, but to illustrate the difference between now and then. The debates are pointless now, but in a world without him hopefully that will change.

GulDukat
10-26-2020, 11:16 AM
Jared Kushner: ‘Complaining’ Black people have to ‘want to be successful’ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/jared-kushner-complaining-black-people-have-to-want-to-be-successful/)

allegate
10-26-2020, 11:24 AM
https://twitter.com/DanaSchwartzzz/status/1320473114350792704?s=20

thelastdisciple
10-27-2020, 09:23 PM
https://youtu.be/j9aJ_tTPwPY

Here's just a sample rap sheet of Trump's arguably worst actions, I say arguably because I'm sure a lot has been missed that could be worse than some of what's included in that 50 but here it is.

burninglard
10-31-2020, 02:54 PM
I really am trying to be optimistic. I just can’t believe Trump has been president for the past 3 plus years. He has made a mockery of what America and Democracy stands for. If he wins again my head and heart is really going to hurt. The only thing he is good at is gaslighting people.

allegate
10-31-2020, 08:31 PM
he did it again?!?

https://twitter.com/DJJudd/status/1322688676170735616?s=20

ickyvicky
11-02-2020, 11:22 AM
"After Fauci praises Biden, Trump touts firing top health official"

https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-praises-biden-trump-firing-health-official-1543902

god, please don't

Patrick_Nicholas
11-02-2020, 01:09 PM
"After Fauci praises Biden, Trump touts firing top health official"

https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-praises-biden-trump-firing-health-official-1543902

god, please don't


In case it wasn't already obvious that a Trump re-election would more or less mark the death of America.

Conan The Barbarian
11-02-2020, 09:32 PM
My anxiety is through the roof right now. Especially with a lot of videos popping up on trumpets grouping on people.

America is heading for a civil war.

M1ke
11-03-2020, 07:06 AM
OK America....do it right....please.

Don't fuck this up.

eachpassingphase
11-03-2020, 07:20 AM
Holy shit y’all. It’s only 6:20 am here. There’s a polling place right around the corner from my house. There are normally like five people there when it opens. Today there is a line wrapped around the building, into the parking lot and down the street. And the line started forming like an hour before the place opened.

I’ve never seen anything like it. And most of the people I know voted by mail if they could. This gives me a lot of hope because I live in Missouri.


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MrLobster
11-03-2020, 07:25 AM
Dear USA,

Be smart. Be safe.

Also...

Wear a mask and wash your hands.

Swykk
11-03-2020, 07:37 AM
I voted this past Friday. I figured today would be too crowded, too stressful, and/or too full of intimidating chuds (and I’m not trying to go to the hospital or jail in a pandemic). Good luck to everyone voting today; just keep a low profile and let the cult scream their nonsense. Your vote is what matters most.
I doubt this ordeal will be over today but I damn sure hope it ends without people getting hurt and of course, with Biden winning...that last part is far from certain.

Alexandros
11-03-2020, 07:58 AM
Good luck from overseas, guys. Hope nothing stupid and/or violent occurs. And damn...anything, anything is better than Trump and his ilk!

Magnetic
11-03-2020, 08:29 AM
I voted last week, and it's already been counted. I am so damn nervous today, and I know it won't be over tonight....

sweeterthan
11-03-2020, 08:37 AM
i voted two weeks ago. my husband is off work today and my kids don’t have digital school. everything here is relaxed and the sun is shining. i’m trying to be cautiously optimistic but 2016 was a harsh reality for me. i really thought there was no way he could win.

ickyvicky
11-03-2020, 10:00 AM
Scary to see in the news how they're already boarding up stores, and they're already building another fence around the White House!

Fingers crossed!

allegate
11-03-2020, 11:05 AM
If you think about all the Democrats and Republicans who didn't vote in 2016 because they didn't like their candidate, I imagine they have a much better chance voting this time. The Democrats because it's not a woman (:rolleyes:) and the Republicans because now they know how bad he can be.

Cookster426
11-03-2020, 12:13 PM
Deutsche Bank wants to cut ties with Trump after the election.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanponciano/2020/11/03/deutsche-bank-eager-to-dump-340-million-in-loans-to-trump-businesses-after-election/?sh=2d69269223c0

henryeatscereal
11-03-2020, 01:38 PM
can't get this song out of my head...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU-RuR-qO4Y

tony.parente
11-03-2020, 01:40 PM
can't get this song out of my head...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU-RuR-qO4Y
The Lumineers did a super duper cover of that track on their last record


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puM93_LV3b4

henryeatscereal
11-03-2020, 01:44 PM
The Lumineers did a super duper cover of that track on their last record

Had no idea about this, nice cover, thanks for sharing!

cdm
11-03-2020, 01:50 PM
The Lumineers did a super duper cover of that track on their last record


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puM93_LV3b4

"Lumineers" and "super duper" in the same sentence. By god I've seen it all!

tony.parente
11-03-2020, 01:53 PM
"Lumineers" and "super duper" in the same sentence. By god I've seen it all!
Hey, they are super duper. They're kind of a one trick pony but I really like the pony.

cdm
11-03-2020, 02:01 PM
Hey, they are super duper. They're kind of a one trick pony but I really like the pony.

Fair. I was not a fan of their cover of Tom Petty's Walls.

allegate
11-03-2020, 02:14 PM
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1323438772990709760?s=20

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/V5u7SxkfxMuThPhon65H374IFKhlCUi2lQkaDNNCQUVuAtuuYg qb_oypuvR-K9h_U2QAQYnDbcCbUaDD9IMUXV0e9N2xgp4dEmr5UOqEdOe4nb L5Vg

Conan The Barbarian
11-03-2020, 03:15 PM
Scary to see in the news how they're already boarding up stores, and they're already building another fence around the White House!

Fingers crossed!

Because looters have to ruin everything.

allegate
11-03-2020, 03:29 PM
https://twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/1323715908838318080?s=20

:D

cdm
11-03-2020, 03:37 PM
Because looters have to ruin everything.

One party specifically wants violence and tells it's supporters to prepare for it. And that same party actively suppresses the vote as their only path to victory. When that is your game plan you can't get upset when there is blowback.

Jinsai
11-03-2020, 04:58 PM
I just watched the video Trump posted on Twitter where he's edited doing this ridiculous dance to the song YMCA, and my reaction has been unpleasant. Please, tell me this is ending. My anxiety is just unreal.

allegate
11-03-2020, 05:01 PM
https://twitter.com/jwestcottphoto/status/1323713898680385536?s=20

Erneuert
11-03-2020, 05:26 PM
https://twitter.com/jwestcottphoto/status/1323713898680385536?s=20

Need that on a shirt.

I was reading an article yesterday about how he's supposedly terrified of losing because all those court cases against him will be able to proceed. Then you see him say he'll leave the country if he loses.

What an awesome person to vote for!

Jinsai
11-03-2020, 05:51 PM
He's terrified of losing because he's a malignant narcissist who, above any other consideration, cannot handle personal failure on any level. He will twist it in his head to say that he won, even if he clearly lost. He literally cannot process that he's a loser.

And yes, please, SDNY, see him off to prison. If ever there was a case where we needed to make an example out of somebody to say that NOBODY should try this shit again, it's this guy.

allegate
11-03-2020, 05:53 PM
what if he pops a blood vessel and dies before Jan? Like that Enron dude?

M1ke
11-03-2020, 05:54 PM
what if he pops a blood vessel and dies before Jan? Like that Enron dude?

As long as he leaves the white house I'll be happy.

Whether that's in a body bag, in handcuffs or just walking out the door I do not care.

tony.parente
11-03-2020, 07:10 PM
As long as he leaves the white house I'll be happy.

Whether that's in a body bag, in handcuffs or just walking out the door I do not care.
The Hitler route would be more than sufficient.

WorzelG
11-04-2020, 03:52 AM
Looking at Trumps tweets, if he does lose he’s REALLY REALLY not going to leave with dignity is he?

eversonpoe
11-04-2020, 01:34 PM
Looking at Trumps tweets, if he does lose he’s REALLY REALLY not going to leave with dignity is he?

as if he had any dignity to begin with.

my biggest concern is that if he loses, his followers are going to get EVEN MORE VIOLENT and TERRIFYING.

WorzelG
11-04-2020, 01:53 PM
as if he had any dignity to begin with.

my biggest concern is that if he loses, his followers are going to get EVEN MORE VIOLENT and TERRIFYING.
Yeah he wonders why so many people took up the postal vote option when ,aside from the pandemic, Trump was trying to get his supporters to be poll watchers and turn up en masse to polling stations to ‘check fraud wasn’t going on’ but really to intimidate people which is really fucked up. I hate it when anyone from any party is there when I go to vote, I feel my vote is between me and my ballot

sweeterthan
11-04-2020, 01:56 PM
there were no lines at my precinct yesterday which was immediately concerning to me but i told myself it was because of mail in and early voting. i’m holding out hope that my county comes through.


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tony.parente
11-04-2020, 02:11 PM
I'm in missouri so there was no hope in hell of turning it blue but it took me almost 2 hours in line to vote after getting in line at around 715am.

richardp
11-04-2020, 02:18 PM
I'm in missouri so there was no hope in hell of turning it blue but it took me almost 2 hours in line to vote after getting in line at around 715am.

I for real thought Galloway was going to take it there for a second but of course how naive of me to think that Missouri can ever be anything other than the backwoods ass hillbilly haven that it is.

tony.parente
11-04-2020, 02:28 PM
I for real thought Galloway was going to take it there for a second but of course how naive of me to think that Missouri can ever be anything other than the backwoods ass hillbilly haven that it is.
It's small but i'm super happy I got to vote for Cori "Defund the Pentagon" Bush AND have her win. That was tight.

richardp
11-04-2020, 04:07 PM
It's small but i'm super happy I got to vote for Cori "Defund the Pentagon" Bush AND have her win. That was tight.

Hell yeah. The only person I voted for that actually won was Cleaver, and there was no chance he was going to lose because he is so ingrained into our local district out here and is such a great guy. But jesus, at least in the mid terms I had more than one candidate that I voted for win, but this year feels like "well what was the point in that" since everyone lost. I'm jealous of my friends who live across the state line in KS and got to vote to reelect Sharice Davids and tell Amanda Adkins and her nazi ass family to fuck off.

Frozen Beach
11-04-2020, 05:13 PM
It would of been funny if Biden won by electoral vote but lost the popular vote, meaning both sides end up with egg on their face.

onthewall2983
11-04-2020, 05:52 PM
Fox News declared Michigan for Biden

DF118
11-04-2020, 05:55 PM
Newly minted USA citizen here. Is this really going to come down based on an 8000 vote lead in NV? Or am I misinterpreting this?

Edit- Like 248 + 16 + 6 is 270, and that 6 rests on a current lead of 8000?

BTW I didn't vote for Trump, obv.

Jinsai
11-04-2020, 05:57 PM
Newly minted USA citizen here. Is this really going to come down based on an 8000 vote lead in NV? Or am I misinterpreting this?

Edit- Like 248 + 16 + 6 is 270, and that 6 rests on a current lead of 8000?

Well, if that 8k lead holds, yeah, Biden wins. He has some other routes to victory, but that's the clearest and most likely. It gets kind of surreal when you realize that's roughly the average weekly death toll from COVID in the US.

DF118
11-04-2020, 05:58 PM
Fucking hell though. 8000.

onthewall2983
11-04-2020, 06:03 PM
Welcome to America

DF118
11-04-2020, 06:50 PM
Welcome to America

Thanks. I chose the best year to commit to it.

pulse
11-04-2020, 06:58 PM
We clearly have huge strides to make as a modern "free" society of people. The lies and misinformation, essentially brainwashing that has occurred in the United States is disgusting. That being said, it's becoming more clear that Biden and Harris are going to lead the executive branch of this country the next four years. They have been handed a pile of shit to clean up. I hope they get the best experts, scientists and desirables to fix the destruction that has been wrought upon our institutions. I had lost hope the last year. It feels like billion cuts to the bone are finally being numbed. The gutwrenching shit might finally be nearing an end. I hope the nation can start some semblance of healing. We have a long road ahead of us.

allegro
11-04-2020, 07:16 PM
Newly minted USA citizen here. Is this really going to come down based on an 8000 vote lead in NV? Or am I misinterpreting this?

Edit- Like 248 + 16 + 6 is 270, and that 6 rests on a current lead of 8000?

BTW I didn't vote for Trump, obv.

No, when the rest of the votes come in, it should be way more than that.

Biden currently has 11 combos to 270.

It was really mostly about MI, WI and AZ. MI has 16 EC votes, WI has 10. AZ has 11. NV only has 6.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/elections-2020/electoral-calculator

zero
11-04-2020, 07:16 PM
Fucking hell though. 8000.

A great example of why every vote matters. Never choose to sit at home instead of voting just because your candidate is ahead in the polls. Which raises an interesting question: How many voters decided to skip the lines and potential COVID risk because the polls predicted a Biden easy win?

Nevada was not planning to update the results until Thursday, but recent news reports hint that updated results may be forthcoming tonight (Wednesday). According to news reports I have seen, Nevada has counted all in person votes, it's just the mail in votes which remain. And Trump was favored for mail in voting in Nevada, which is not the typical pattern nationwide.

I have effectively gnawed off all my fingernails. Perhaps it's time for a relaxing bath and a break from media.

tony.parente
11-04-2020, 08:26 PM
It’s weird knowing we’re gonna have 2 one term presidents back to back. When’s the last time that’s happened?

DF118
11-04-2020, 08:32 PM
It’s weird knowing we’re gonna have 2 one term presidents back to back. When’s the last time that’s happened?

That's fine though. As long as the next guy isn't Donald Trump Jr. Note too, there's a good chance our next president after Biden (if he wins) might very well be Kamala Harris.

tony.parente
11-04-2020, 08:35 PM
That's fine though. As long as the next guy isn't Donald Trump Jr. Note too, there's a good chance our next president after Biden (if he wins) might very well be Kamala Harris.
That would be awful, I’m still angry he chose that awful person over Warren.

allegro
11-04-2020, 08:39 PM
That would be awful, I’m still angry he chose that awful person over Warren.

She’s more progressive than Bernie Sanders and Warren.

Wtf Tony, is this blatant racism? Or just plain fucking stupid? Back the fuck off.

And I say this as a Warren supporter, Harris being POTUS would be awesome.

tony.parente
11-04-2020, 08:44 PM
Wtf Tony, is this blatant racism? Or just plain fucking stupid? Back the fuck off.



This demands an explanation at worst or an apology at best.

DF118
11-04-2020, 08:47 PM
This demands an explanation at worst or an apology at best.

Ahhh, honestly lads, dunt matter right now. Either VP pick is better than a whole host of Trump and Pence and it looks, at the moment, like the good guys are winning. :P

Let's forget my speculative segue? It was just a throw-away thought, to be honest.


No, when the rest of the votes come in, it should be way more than that.


Biden currently has 11 combos to 270.


It was really mostly about MI, WI and AZ. MI has 16 EC votes, WI has 10. AZ has 11. NV only has 6.


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/elections-2020/electoral-calculator

It's fascinating to see how reporting on electoral mapping outcome varies depending on the source. Really hard to find a single source of truth, right now.

Kujy
11-04-2020, 08:51 PM
It’s weird knowing we’re gonna have 2 one term presidents back to back. When’s the last time that’s happened?

Technically, JFK and LBJ I think...

Not counting Ford and Carter since the former was just serving out Nixon's term and didn't win a presidential term on his own.

Jinsai
11-04-2020, 08:54 PM
I'm just gonna jump in and say it's presumptuous to infer that the only reason someone would dislike Kamala Harris is due to racism (or sexism). I'm not seeing that, and I have heard a lot of legitimate complaints about her record. I like her, I'm satisfied with the ticket, but maybe we're jumping to conclusions.

allegro
11-04-2020, 08:54 PM
This demands an explanation at worst or an apology at best.

Nope. You say ridiculous and offensive shit, you own it and you get shit right back.

You don’t get to be “provocative” without consequence.

You called Harris “awful.”

Trump has called her similar adjectives.

tony.parente
11-04-2020, 08:57 PM
Nope. You say ridiculous and offensive shit, you own it and you get shit right back.

You don’t get to be “provocative” without consequence.
Eat my ass, nothing I said was racist or sexist or stupid. You know what you are trying to do, and so do I. Be a better person, do better, understand that someone not liking someone isn’t provocative. You are an asshole and you should feel bad.

allegro
11-04-2020, 08:59 PM
Eat my ass, nothing I said was racist or sexist or stupid. You know what you are trying to do, and so do I. Be a better person, do better, understand that someone not liking someone isn’t provocative. You are an asshole and you should feel bad.

Here you go, again.

Calling someone “awful” etc. isn’t expressing dislike.

See what you are doing, now?

tony.parente
11-04-2020, 09:00 PM
Here you go, again.
Weren’t you already ran off this board once already for being a giant piece of shit?

DF118
11-04-2020, 09:01 PM
Weren’t you already ran off this board once already for being a giant piece of shit?

I can see why allegro is pissed with you. I'd walk away.

SM Rollinger
11-04-2020, 09:02 PM
I'm in missouri so there was no hope in hell of turning it blue but it took me almost 2 hours in line to vote after getting in line at around 715am.

Same here in SD, 2 hour wait last Friday to vote in a state I know will never turn blue. We didn't even vote for our own, McGovern, when he ran against Nixon.

allegro
11-04-2020, 09:08 PM
I'm just gonna jump in and say it's presumptuous to infer that the only reason someone would dislike Kamala Harris is due to racism (or sexism). I'm not seeing that, and I have heard a lot of legitimate complaints about her record. I like her, I'm satisfied with the ticket, but maybe we're jumping to conclusions.

Really?

That would be awful, I’m still angry he chose that awful person over Warren.

That was it. Just that. That.

allegro
11-04-2020, 09:12 PM
Weren’t you already ran off this board once already for being a giant piece of shit?

Nope. That was you. For that whole ticket scandal.

DF118
11-04-2020, 09:13 PM
Google is reporting that Biden is at 264... (https://www.google.com/search?q=electiomn&oq=elect&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i57j69i60l3j69i65l2.1969j0j 4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)

Jinsai
11-04-2020, 09:15 PM
Arrrrrrrrr.... I'm gonna jump up and group hug or something. We're all tense and shit is crazy.

But NO, I've heard some very progressive people say worse. A good friend of mine is a woman of color and she despises Kamala, and she's referred to her as much worse things than "that awful person." I think Tony trolls sometimes, and even here this is getting unnecessarily ugly in my opinion... but I didn't see the comment as anything alarming, certainly not racist.

Unless it goes more clearly in that direction, let's just move on?

tony.parente
11-04-2020, 09:16 PM
Really?


That was it. No explanation. Just that.
I’ve been googling the last 10 minutes trying to find where Trump called future Vice President Kamala Harris awful. I’m also trying to figure out the mental gymnastics needed to equate me calling someone who is a woman awful as either racist or sexist.

I’ve posted some bullshit on this board, I’ve had a pretty bad (deserved) reputation in the past. I’ve spent the last 3-4 years of my life doing a LOT of soul searching, taking accountability to everyone in my life, trying to grow out of that shit, and learn and understand and frankly be a not racist, sexist asshole. Being called something like that and then directly being compared to the most racist, sexist, garbage president this country has ever seen for the soul purpose of trying to push someone’s buttons is a trash move. Especially when I was criticizing a human being, not a gender, sex, national origin or race.

Swykk
11-04-2020, 09:19 PM
Please fucking stop. Tony dislikes Harris because of her record (which gives me some pause too) not because she’s a woman. He’s said it more than once. Tony, no need to dredge up old shit; especially when you have skeletons too.

She wasn’t my first choice either but neither was Biden. This is the hand we were dealt.

To say Harris is more progressive than Warren and Sanders is not tracking for me at all but this election has shown me Warren isn’t as progressive as I thought she was so maybe you could convince me there but this is not the time.

allegro
11-04-2020, 09:19 PM
Tony always trolls. That’s what he does.
Jinsai, your friend is a woman of color, in California.

This is very different than a privileged white dude in St. Louis.

Or a dude, period. Grok?

But, yes, we all generally hug it out. Except for the Chads.

DF118
11-04-2020, 09:19 PM
I’ve been googling the last 10 minutes trying to find where Trump called future Vice President Kamala Harris awful. I’m also trying to figure out the mental gymnastics needed to equate me calling someone who is a woman awful as either racist or sexist.

I’ve posted some bullshit on this board, I’ve had a pretty bad (deserved) reputation in the past. I’ve spent the last 3-4 years of my life doing a LOT of soul searching, taking accountability to everyone in my life, trying to grow out of that shit, and learn and understand and frankly be a not racist, sexist asshole. Being called something like that and then directly being compared to the most racist, sexist, garbage president this country has ever seen for the soul purpose of trying to push someone’s buttons is a trash move. Especially when I was criticizing a human being, not a gender, sex, national origin or race.

So, why don't you consider that she may have interpreted your post as a troll? If it wasn't, that was her mistake, and she overreacted. Sucks. But see it for what it was and let it go (maybe even, send her a PM and explain). So we can concentrate on the fucking election again.

tony.parente
11-04-2020, 09:20 PM
So, why don't you consider that she may have interpreted your post as a troll? If it wasn't, that was her mistake, and she over reacted. Sucks. But see it for what it was and let it go (maybe even, send her a PM and explain). So we can concentrate on the fucking election again.
Because they are doubling down on being an asshole an attacking my character on purpose. They know
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Hit my post history. For as far as it goes. She would have a legitimate point in 2013 or so but I’m FAR from a racist, sexist Chad in any place in my life.

Privileged as fuck? More so than I will ever deserve for reasons I had no part in creating or determining.

diptych
11-04-2020, 09:26 PM
I can see why allegro is pissed with you. I'd walk away.

I'm going to side with tony on this one. Calling somebody a racist because he/she has different political leanings is ridiculously low. It's precisely what I dislike about identity politics. It needs to stop, no matter which side you're on. It's not a race matter. Stop bringing that shit up.

allegro
11-04-2020, 09:26 PM
To say Harris is more progressive than Warren and Sanders is not tracking for me at all but this election has shown me Warren isn’t as progressive as I thought she was so maybe you could convince me there but this is not the time.
See this?

https://govtrackinsider.com/our-ideology-score-placed-kamala-harris-as-the-most-liberal-senator-in-2019-bbd25493ca72

Jinsai
11-04-2020, 09:27 PM
well anyway, I'm so tired. I've had nothing to do for the past few days but dwell on this election. I didn't sleep last night. I woke up at 2:30 in the morning with a huge anxiety attack, and at least it seemed to be surprisingly swinging towards Biden. It's moved how I'd like since then... but now I'm tired, and I'm struggling to stay awake. I feel like I need to know, just a little more concretely, that Biden is going to win this.

Then I'll sleep like a baby.

Erneuert
11-04-2020, 09:32 PM
tony.parente

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKxUfdv_U00 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lKxUfdv_U00)


Anyway, I really thought I was going to wake up today to see Trump re-elected. Consider me stunned (positively).

Swykk
11-04-2020, 09:37 PM
See this?

https://govtrackinsider.com/our-ideology-score-placed-kamala-harris-as-the-most-liberal-senator-in-2019-bbd25493ca72

In all honesty, I don’t. Getting an error.

allegro
11-04-2020, 09:37 PM
Tony never reads the room.

Here is a guy (@DF118) who just became an American citizen, voted for the first time, is excited yet anxious, and says he’s happy to be able to vote for Harris.

There are people - women, including WOC, who are excited about Harris as a VP. And the possibility of voting for her as POTUS.

But Tony doesn’t let the votes finish counting before he starts with the shit-talking. Maybe he’s stressed out. Maybe he’s upset about what’s going on. I dunno. I have been here since 2004 and have totally ignored him until now. And now I will, again.

Sorry for the digression, people.

https://youtu.be/C0mFgwJcEsY

tony.parente
11-04-2020, 09:42 PM
Tony never reads the room.

Here is a guy who just became an American citizen, voted for the first time, is excited yet anxious, and says he’s happy to be able to vote for Harris.

There are people - women, including WOC, who are excited about Harris as a VP. And the possibility of voting for her as POTUS.

But Tony doesn’t let the votes finish counting before he starts with the shit-talking. Maybe he’s stressed out. Maybe he’s upset about what’s going on. I dunno. I have been here since 2004 and have totally ignored him until now. And now I will, again.

Sorry for the digression, people.

https://youtu.be/C0mFgwJcEsY
I appreciate you finally giving the context to your cryptic accusations of me being a sexist and racist person. Really makes it crystal clear. That video of trump calling Kamala awful really is the ace in the hole for your argument. God help me if you find out that I’ve had a taco bowl in my life.

If I was a first time voter I’d be psyched to vote for the Kamala/Biden ticket too. She’s gonna be the first black woman Vice President, that historic. It still should have been Warren or AOC.

allegro
11-04-2020, 09:43 PM
In all honesty, I don’t. Getting an error.

Hmm, sorry.

Here is an article, below. Warren is actually far more capitalist. Not that this is “bad.”

Warren was an Ivy League professor who specialized in corporate and bankruptcy law.

Harris specialized in prosecutorial law, conducted trials, etc. So in the position of “Executive” (executor of laws), over the Department of Justice, etc, and being the head of all law enforcement, Harris’ background is actually more conducive to this position. Warren’s background is better served as the Secretary of Treasury.

https://www.michigandaily.com/section/opinion/op-ed-kamala-harris-progressive-choice-vp

allegro
11-04-2020, 09:56 PM
It still should have been Warren or AOC.

I love Warren and AOC.

AOC is, per the U.S. Constitution, too young to serve as President or Vice President. But I think she has an excellent future.

I drink my coffee every morning from a Warren coffee cup that says “Billionaire Tears.” I contributed well over $250 to her campaign.

But I think you will discover that Kamala is not a consolation prize. She is an extremely intelligent attorney and she will be an excellent VP.

tony.parente
11-04-2020, 10:01 PM
I love Warren and AOC.

AOC is, per the U.S. Constitution, too young to serve as President or Vice President. But I think she has an excellent future.

I drink my coffee every morning from a Warren coffee cup that says “Billionaire Tears.” I contributed well over $250 to her campaign.

But I think you will discover that Kamala is not a consolation prize. She is an extremely intelligent attorney and she will be an excellent VP.

Hey.
I may not know much more about Kamala than the amount of black men needlessly in prison over her policies. That turned me off enough, but IMO that would make me either ignorant or uneducated. To call me racist or sexist because I think she’s awful for that reason is not fair. I honestly respect your opinion and expertise more than pretty much anyone else’s on this board so that’s probably why it stung me so bad. I think you said that stuff to hurt me and I wanna let you know that it did.

allegro
11-04-2020, 10:19 PM
Hey.
I may not know much more about Kamala than the amount of black men needlessly in prison over her policies.
Not true.


To call me racist or sexist because I think she is awful for that reason is not fair.
Tony, you called her “an AWFUL PERSON.”

You didn’t call out her policies or her ideologies or her voting record. You don’t know her, personally. Yet, you called her “an awful person.” You don’t know her as a person.

As a woman, I’m informing you that we women see that as sexist. Because it’s denigrating us, as PEOPLE, vs. our decisions at work. And you don’t even see that you’re doing it, or grok it, so it’s systemic. Just like racism. It’s not obvious, you don’t see it, you deny it, but it doesn’t mean it’s not there. And it doesn’t mean you can’t learn from it and word things differently.

“I don’t like Harris’ policy history.”
“I don’t agree with Harris’ prosecutorial history”

That’s not the same as “she’s as AWFUL PERSON.”

Attacking her personhood goes WAY farther than attacking her politics.

She had to drop out earlier than Warren or any of most other candidates due to lack of money. Yet she had one of the largest announcements gatherings of all candidates, in Oakland. Many black voters were PISSED that Mayo Pete, Amy Klobuchar, Liz Warren, and other white candidates were still there, while all the POC had been pushed out, including Harris, Castro, Booker, and Wang. Harris was one of the first to be pushed out. There is often underlying racism, there, whether people understand it or not.

diptych
11-04-2020, 10:31 PM
So disliking a politician who happens to be a woman is sexist? That's what you're saying. Because "you don't know her personally". This is just stupid. You may call Trump a sexist asshole, but do you know him personally? If not, you can't say so, according to your own logic.

And what the fuck does attacking someone's "personhood" even mean?

EDIT: Note, I'm not a Trump supporter. I live in a different country. But I find this rampant hatred towards him very strange.

allegro
11-04-2020, 10:41 PM
So disliking a politician who happens to be a woman is sexist? That's what you're saying. Because "you don't know her personally". This is just stupid. You may call Trump a sexist asshole, but do you know him personally? If not, you can't say so, according to your own logic.

And what the fuck does attacking someone's "persoonhood" even mean?

You’re in the Netherlands, so you likely don’t get some of this.

We call Trump a sexist asshole based on EVIDENCE.

There are RECEIPTS.

But when the only receipts you have is sketchy stuff you read on the internet about legal decisions that you assume are valid, although you don’t know lots about law and you don’t live in California and weren’t in Watts during that period, you’ll still opine that she’s “an awful person,” then you can join the ranks of Americans online who are calling her “Kamala the Gorilla.”

Erneuert
11-04-2020, 10:41 PM
tony.parente allegro

*forces you two and me to have a group hug touching asses*

Let’s be friends again and be happy Biden is leading. *hands you both a drink spiked with mild Xanax*

:)

zero
11-04-2020, 10:44 PM
*hands you both a drink spiked with mild Xanax*

:)

Hey, can I get one of those? Not that I deserve it. Just because?

poro765
11-04-2020, 10:45 PM
I think this is part of the problem. I don't like Harris or Biden, but people voted for them this time because Trump needed to go.
I'm against fascism, but I don't support antifa when they use violence. I'm all for men and women being equals, but radical feminists are awful.
Not all Trump supporters are brainwashed racists, some have their own reasons.
The reasons why they support Trump might be selfish, but we should agree to disagree, then move on.
Since when did calling someone awful based on his/her policy history make someone racist or sexist? That's a bit much.
Feels like there's no such thing as middle ground anymore.

tony.parente
11-04-2020, 10:47 PM
Who the fuck is calling Kamala a gorilla...??!

allegro
11-04-2020, 10:55 PM
It feels like there's no such thing as middle ground anymore.
No, there IS.

But what about respect and empathy and not being mean? What happened to that? When do we become the people we hate? Trump?

He didn’t SAY she was awful based on policy history. YOU did. He just said she was an awful person, and left it at that. I called it out, he got upset. But here’s what I’m trying to get us NOT to do:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-55hPvPnTOU

Erneuert
11-04-2020, 10:55 PM
Hey, can I get one of those? Not that I deserve it. Just because?

I think all Americans who didn’t vote for Cump deserve at least one. Go nuts!

allegro
11-04-2020, 10:56 PM
Who the fuck is calling Kamala a gorilla...??!

It’s all over Twitter, sadly

zero
11-04-2020, 11:00 PM
I think this is part of the problem. I don't like Harris or Biden, but people voted for them this time because Trump needed to go.
I'm against fascism, but I don't support antifa when they use violence. I'm all for men and women being equals, but radical feminists are awful.
Not all Trump supporters are brainwashed racists, some have their own reasons.
The reasons why they support Trump might be selfish, but we should agree to disagree, then move on.
Since when did calling someone awful based on his/her policy history make someone racist or sexist? That's a bit much.
Feels like there's no such thing as middle ground anymore.

The middle ground is a very lonely place. Where both sides are likely to dislike and perhaps attack you. The art of compromise has been lost to history I suppose. And things will NOT get better until we, as a society, learn once again how to have a conversation and resolve our differences via give and take.

tony.parente
11-04-2020, 11:02 PM
No, there IS.

But what about respect and empathy and not being mean? What happened to that? When do we become the people we hate? Trump?

He didn’t SAY she was awful based on policy history. YOU did. He just said she was an awful person, and left it at that. I called it out, he got upset. But here’s what I’m trying to get us NOT to do:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-55hPvPnTOU

You didn’t call it out. You didn’t say “dude call her policies awful, back the fuck off”
You said I was sexist and racist. That’s why I got upset.

It seems we both have a small amount of work to do in regards to wording our thoughts and opinions.

BRoswell
11-04-2020, 11:05 PM
The reasons why they support Trump might be selfish, but we should agree to disagree, then move on.

See, THIS to me is the problem. This whole idea of "agree to disagree", like we're talking about whether pineapple belongs on pizza or not. There's no progress in "agree to disagree" because it prevents discourse. That's why nothing gets done, because we shrug off other people's beliefs rather than engaging them and challenging them and getting to the heart of the matter.

allegro
11-04-2020, 11:09 PM
You didn’t call it out. You didn’t say “dude call her policies awful, back the fuck off”
You said I was sexist and racist. That’s why I got upset.
.
I was being honest. I’m a woman and that just looked like a dumb Trump dog whistle. I called it out. I DID say back the fuck off.

You COULD have said, “yeah, sorry, that was kind of harsh. It did look kinda sexist and/or racist. What I meant was ...”

Instead, you told me to eat your ass and called me an asshole. So, yeah, hooray for discourse.

Anyway, we ARE at least on the same anti-Trump team and that’s a lot right now.

zero
11-04-2020, 11:15 PM
See, THIS to me is the problem. This whole idea of "agree to disagree", like we're talking about whether pineapple belongs on pizza or not. There's no progress in "agree to disagree" because it prevents discourse. That's why nothing gets done, because we shrug off other people's beliefs rather than engaging them and challenging them and getting to the heart of the matter.

There will always be situations where compromise is unattainable regarding a particular subject matter. In these (realistic) situations, it's not only appropriate but also advisable to "agree to disagree" and move on, as common ground may be attainable for other concerns. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water!

Edited to add: pineapple is mandatory on any pizza which also has anchovies and feta cheese. But everyone knows that.

allegro
11-04-2020, 11:29 PM
Edited to add: pineapple is mandatory on any pizza which also has anchovies and feta cheese. But everyone knows that.

WHOA dude what the FUCK?! Eeeeeeeekkkkkkk :D

allegate
11-04-2020, 11:44 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmA4NkUWoAA2yQq.jpg

poro765
11-05-2020, 12:07 AM
See, THIS to me is the problem. This whole idea of "agree to disagree", like we're talking about whether pineapple belongs on pizza or not. There's no progress in "agree to disagree" because it prevents discourse. That's why nothing gets done, because we shrug off other people's beliefs rather than engaging them and challenging them and getting to the heart of the matter.
Sometimes nothing is better than something, when they have their own reason and you can't convince them otherwise.
How they act might seem unethical to you, but at the same time it could make perfect sense to them.

Erneuert
11-05-2020, 06:21 AM
When Biden wins I want to see him in a scene like this with Trump in the role of Alex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cZ2BUyLgUk (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3cZ2BUyLgUk)

paul_is_dead
11-05-2020, 09:34 AM
Any bets he will run again in 2024, he's not going anywhere

Cookster426
11-05-2020, 09:57 AM
Any bets he will run again in 2024, he's not going anywhere

God, we don't need another Grover Cleveland.

My big prediction is Junior will run in 2024 b/c he has to do everything his father does since he has his name.

versusreality
11-05-2020, 10:08 AM
It's critical Dems have control of Senate or it will be a very tough time for Biden to pass things. I fear that Trump or Jr or Ivanka will run in 2024 and they already have their tagline: "Make America Great Again" .

allegate
11-05-2020, 10:57 AM
Any bets he will run again in 2024, he's not going anywhere
if he loses, he's got a lot of lawsuits breathing down his neck. Not to mention Death itself is sitting there watching his blood pressure and thinking happy thoughts at the same time.

https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/683634/blumhouse-happy-death-day-baby-mask.jpg

hellospaceboy
11-05-2020, 11:18 AM
Any bets he will run again in 2024, he's not going anywhere

On the other hand, he does like to walk away from failed businesses, I suspect that he'll do something like a "news network" or some other crap, so he will be around, but the presidency is over for him (if he officially loses 2020 of course)

Leviathant
11-05-2020, 11:37 AM
Weren’t you already ran off this board once already for being a giant piece of shit?

Tony, you're projecting.

Allegro's never even been close to being banned.

You, on the other hand, have received a lot of private messages in the past about your behavior on here.

This is a public warning. I think you've had those too. Re-read what you wrote in these past few messages. Consider that it might be you who are being a giant bag of shit.

Take a break. You can do better. If you don't take a break, I'll use my Powerful Super Admin Powers to put you in timeout.

allegate
11-05-2020, 12:31 PM
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1324125565733883904?s=20

allegate
11-05-2020, 01:43 PM
https://twitter.com/nononoagh/status/1324378649496309762


Probably nothing but, iirc tomorrow would mark the same number of days from Trump's initial COVID diagnosis as there were between Herman Cain's positive test and his death.

subposting to no one in particular: you bite the hand that feeds you? bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off.

Swykk
11-05-2020, 04:29 PM
Defense Secretary Esper just resigned. So that’s just great.

DF118
11-05-2020, 06:02 PM
Trump is going to speak at 6.30 Eastern. Let's see what crazy bullshit he spouts this time.

M1ke
11-05-2020, 06:34 PM
Trump is going to speak at 6.30 Eastern. Let's see what crazy bullshit he spouts this time.

As long as he's not firing the nukes at Biden's house, it's just a death rattle.....

allegate
11-05-2020, 06:41 PM
https://twitter.com/dyllyp/status/1324485836860055552

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El9v6W5W0AALvYq?format=jpg&name=medium

yeah, it's like totally a mystery.

elevenism
11-05-2020, 06:45 PM
Hey, yo, everybody:
I think Captain Asshole is gonna come out and spew more lunacy soon, live and in person.

You don't wanna miss this one.

allegro
11-05-2020, 06:57 PM
W
T
F

Nothing he is saying is true. Nothing. He’s lying about everything. No signature verification, everything, it’s just all horrible propaganda. This man is a FASCIST. A lot of these states he’s bitching about are Republican. He’s just a sore loser.

These votes are counted were mailed BEFORE Election Day.

This man STOLE the 2016 election and he only likes electronic voting because he can rig the voting machines (like in FLORIDA and TEXAS).

He told his voters not to vote by mail, they listened to him. He’s smearing POC, poll workers, American voters, everyone who didn’t vote for him.

This man is a very very dangerous fascist.

M1ke
11-05-2020, 06:58 PM
https://assets.leevalley.com/Size5/10060/KC618-full-size-binoculars-u-01-r.jpg

sweeterthan
11-05-2020, 07:00 PM
W
t
f

Nothing he is saying is true. Nothing.

him talking about the pipe bursting in georgia is interesting. all the righties around here think that pipe bursting means they brought in fraudulent ballots somehow.


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DF118
11-05-2020, 07:01 PM
Ugh.

Swykk
11-05-2020, 07:04 PM
LOL @ “They’re counting ballots that came in envelopes with no addresses or postage.”

Nothing he’s said is true. I couldn’t keep watching it.

elevenism
11-05-2020, 07:05 PM
W
T
F

Nothing he is saying is true. Nothing. He’s lying about everything. No signature verification, everything, it’s just all horrible propaganda. This man is a FASCIST. A lot of these states he’s bitching about are Republican. He’s just a sore loser.

These votes are counted were mailed BRFORE Election Day.Yeah, but he has a script, so it's not as exciting as it could be.

I want him to go off script, so it's crazier, lol.

So, hey. He's pissed that the mail in ballots are blue, but didn't he kind of TELL HIS SUPPORTERS to like, NOT vote by mail?

That was damn near a concession speech, though: concession to defeat by conspiracy. I think he knows he's fucked.

He's totally shifted gears, to damage control.

allegro
11-05-2020, 07:10 PM
But this was Mussolini territory, though.

He didn’t win, so declare this entire election a farce. With zero evidence.

Yet, ODDLY ENOUGH, EVERYONE ELSE’S Republican election went GREAT!

no no, pay no attention to THAT oddity.

Only listen to Trump, and be prepared to fight to the death for him.

He is undermining democracy.

marodi
11-05-2020, 07:17 PM
"(...) and we see him, like an obese turtle on his back flailing in the hot sun, realizing his time is over (...)"

Oh Anderson, stop teasing me like this; you sexy, sexy bespectacled anchorman.

ton
11-05-2020, 07:22 PM
He knows he is losing, this is how a narcissist faces defeat.

thelastdisciple
11-05-2020, 07:26 PM
That was nauseating to watch, I was almost wondering if he'd have a stroke and collapse at the end.

Can this just be over already? Fuck.

allegro
11-05-2020, 07:28 PM
"(...) and we see him, like an obese turtle on his back flailing in the hot sun, realizing his time is over (...)"

Oh Anderson, stop teasing me like this; you sexy, sexy bespectacled anchorman.


That was pretty funny :D

elevenism
11-05-2020, 07:31 PM
But this was Mussolini territory, though.

He didn’t win, so declare this entire election a farce. With zero evidence.


Did you expect anything less, though?

This is definitely a low point in American history, what he's saying, but we knew it was coming.

I just wanted to see how low he would sink.

This will be in history books, his early claim of victory and such

allegate
11-05-2020, 07:33 PM
Rats and sinking ships.
Rick Santorum - 'Most of that statement was not factual. No elected Republican official will stand by that statement.'

when you lose anal-leakage personified then I think you've lost everyone.

Erneuert
11-05-2020, 07:37 PM
"(...) and we see him, like an obese turtle on his back flailing in the hot sun, realizing his time is over (...)"

Oh Anderson, stop teasing me like this; you sexy, sexy bespectacled anchorman.

That’s pure poetry.

elevenism
11-05-2020, 07:40 PM
when you lose anal-leakage personified then I think you've lost everyone.
DUDE!
God bless Dan Savage. I still laugh every time I hear the name Santorum, like it's a bad word.

DF118
11-05-2020, 07:43 PM
when you lose anal-leakage personified then I think you've lost everyone.

Santorum is a massive asshole but my respect for him has actually existed recently. Simply because, night after night, he takes an absolute kicking and gets right back up again like a champ.

allegate
11-05-2020, 08:21 PM
https://i.imgur.com/QLEsSjE.jpg

GulDukat
11-05-2020, 08:33 PM
Just saw the press conference. Trump speaks at about 15 minutes into this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17EOwbctx5w

By watching him, you get the sense that he knows it's over...

Erneuert
11-05-2020, 08:57 PM
Just saw the press conference. Trump speaks at about 15 minutes into this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17EOwbctx5w

By watching him, you get the sense that he knows it's over...

As I’m watching that I’m just thinking “just give it up already, stop talking now”. Even he sounds exhausted of himself.

allegro
11-05-2020, 09:21 PM
https://twitter.com/sethabramson/status/1324516719608692737?s=21

Wretchedest
11-05-2020, 09:40 PM
Jo Jorgensen's Georgia take stands to be 30 times larger than Joe Bidens victory margin there.

That is my favorite thing. I will return to this memory when I am depressed.

allegro
11-05-2020, 10:00 PM
Jo Jorgensen's Georgia take stands to be 30 times larger than Joe Bidens victory margin there.


She got 1.2%

She wants to privatize Social Security (https://jo20.com/issues/social-security/).
And get rid of licenses and regulations (https://jo20.com/issues/poverty/).

In other words, she’s Trump on heels.
Except she does want to get rid of coal and oil, and build more nuclear.

These third party people need to put a lot more energy into getting into state and federal legislatures and municipalities.

versusreality
11-05-2020, 10:38 PM
reports are, if Trump loses, he will refuse to concede. this is awful. there's actually no law that states a presidential candidate must concede. here's how it can play out:

"Beyond simply taking vote counts to the courts, another way that Trump and his allies might try to steamroll over a Biden victory would be for Republican legislatures to appoint Trump-supporting electors to the Electoral College, even if their states went blue in the popular vote. While states have allowed the popular vote to decide the appointment of electors for most of the nation's history, The Atlantic reports that state legislatures could pretty easily choose to take that power back for themselves, since the Constitution leaves the appointment of electors totally in the hands of each state.""In such a case, states with Republican legislatures but Democratic governors—including crucial swing states Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and North Carolina—might end up appointing two separate slates of electors, according to a study by election scholar Edward B. Foley. These states would then cast double their allotted votes when the Electoral College convenes on Dec. 14, and when the president of the Senate, Vice President Mike Pence, goes to count the votes, he would be tasked with unraveling what his Constitutional duty to tally the Electoral College's votes means in this situation. If Pence chooses to throw out the doubled-up votes, it's possible that neither candidate would then be able to reach the necessary 270 electoral votes to win the presidency. In that case, the decision would go to the House of Representatives, with one vote per state, resulting in a slight majority for Trump according to currently drawn partisan lines."
"Alternatively, according to The Atlantic, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi could hypothetically keep members of the House from entering the chamber to witness Pence's vote count as required by law; if she then stalled long enough, she could potentially assert her right to assume the presidency according to the line of succession.


Furthermore, these aren't necessarily standalone possibilities. Per Foley and The Atlantic, Biden could win the election, Pence could push through the extra Electoral College votes for Trump, and Pelosi could assert her own claim to the office to block Pence's order all at once, resulting in three seemingly legitimate (at least in the eyes of the Constitution) POTUS claims. Hence, a Constitutional crisis."

allegro
11-05-2020, 10:43 PM
reports are, if Trump loses, he will refuse to concede. this is awful. there's actually no law that states a presidential candidate must concede. here's how it can play out:

Nobody is going to do that.

These rumors went around when Trump won, as a way to keep Trump OUT of the White House (one big reason the EC exists is to keep reckless and dangerous people out of the Executive branch), but that didn’t happen.

We DID have a huge voter fraud dispute change the outcome before. (https://www.rbhayes.org/hayes/disputed-election-of-1876/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=f90dc9bb01bfe3646e786f1535428 9d4f748eb68-1604635026-0-ATAg0yb7-7x4ox6dGRE9CITvNpo1Tpy8JV_sa8rY90mFpZ3a8KF-Q2GevsuemJZCB7SVV29UTixXOu0yaoNDwNUELFLp5MsLaPgzvd _z6jygrVp-wZXV0Jw8bO2vk-ahSF0LnrXTUbB9a8yUW-AOBpVkbyxEhFZHc6dxIwlZcAMQVEvc9g2m1OnamlGTSymz4ebs 8OJiqOoUdKSFsf20rotzLZXImj92zPfcysxZFDnImMJyY_wUTD KKlMb4Ro0hi-7tWPA-_rn8T7mk_VESewzlyaghVsBgKSgraYHF8bo2zN9g)

I’ve been reading about the 1932 Election between Hoover and FDR. OMG, Hoover was an asshole. He refused to accept that FDR won, bitched about the election results, consistently claimed that voters didn’t know they were voting for a socialist, etc. Economists BEGGED Hoover to declare an extended bank holiday to prevent a bank run and a total crash, Hoover refused and thought everything would get better on its own.

Inauguration Day used to be IN MARCH.

The catastrophic disaster that occurred between Election Day when FDR was elected and when he was inaugurated led to a Constitutional amendment that resulted in our current January 20th Inauguration Day.

Due to Trump, experts are now wondering if it should be moved to an earlier date, again.

GulDukat
11-05-2020, 11:03 PM
There have been doomsday scenarios for years written about Trump losing in 2020, but I actually don't think any of it will come to pass. I don't think that the Republican establishment will go along with any attempts to overturn the popular vote in the states. They're just going to cut their losses, obstruct Biden the best they can, and hope they do better with whatever asshole that they nominate in 2024.

I tuned into FOX Business tonight and Lou Dobbs was almost in tears, "where's the Republican establishment? Where's Mitt Romney? whaaa"

allegro
11-05-2020, 11:16 PM
Tonight, Lindsey Graham suggested that PA electors be set aside and that D.C. send its own electors to PA. Graham, an elected official, said:

“Philadelphia elections are crooked as a snake. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/lindsey-graham-trump-2020-election-pennsylvania-b1629173.html)”

There is NO evidence of fraud that they claim. Lindsey Graham (like most Republicans) just dislikes BLACK VOTERS.

Tonight, Steve Bannon was permanently banned from Twitter after suggesting that Dr. Fauci’s and Christopher Wray’s heads should be placed on spikes and displayed on each side of the White House as a message to the Federal bureaucracy.

Shame on these people.

onthewall2983
11-05-2020, 11:22 PM
News is coming out that Putin might step down next year due to health concerns. Word is he might be suffering from Parkinsons.

DF118
11-05-2020, 11:34 PM
I'm now almost certain Graham is being blackmailed over his sexuality.

If Putin stands down, he'll still be the power behind the throne.

It's always fascinating to see the moments wherein Santorum realizes he's about to be torn a new one. It's like it dawns on him mid-sentence and he dies a little behind the eyes before he finishes speaking. Like he's thinking "I can't believe I'm saying this disingenuous horseshit".

allegate
11-05-2020, 11:48 PM
News is coming out that Putin might step down next year due to health concerns. Word is he might be suffering from Parkinsons.

I showed this to my son who is in World History right now. He said that he hopes "tiny tubas" takes control. I had a moment where I was like "is this a meme I'm totally not getting, tiny tubas in Russia?" but then he explained - and said more slowly - that it's Tannu Tuva (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuvan_People%27s_Republic). Which, given that he is in World History and knows way more about this than I, I'm going to defer to him on.

But also it surprised me that there is a tinytuba.com, which made us both laugh.

allegro
11-05-2020, 11:48 PM
It's always fascinating to see the moments wherein Santorum realizes he's about to be torn a new one. It's like it dawns on him mid-sentence and he dies a little behind the eyes before he finishes speaking. Like he's thinking "I can't believe I'm saying this disingenuous horseshit".

He interrupts Van Jones over the stupidest shit, insisting on making sure his side of “justice” is known, except it’s all Captain Obvious shit, not brilliant jurisprudence shit.

allegate
11-05-2020, 11:51 PM
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1324498003802161154

Jinsai
11-05-2020, 11:55 PM
If Trump has clearly lost, there will be no bullshit about him dragging his feet. The legal efforts will go nowhere, and he will be escorted out looking like a poor loser if he fights it. He won’t. He will be all talk, which is nothing new. He’s always been talk, lies, and bullshit.

DF118
11-06-2020, 12:01 AM
If Trump has clearly lost, there will be no bullshit about him dragging his feet. The legal efforts will go nowhere, and he will be escorted out looking like a poor loser if he fights it. He won’t. He will be all talk, which is nothing new. He’s always been talk, lies, and bullshit.

I'd love to believe that, but he's utterly desperate. The statute of limitations won't apply if he loses- and there's so many open investigations that he's dead and buried and he knows it. And that's just for the shit we know about.

Jinsai
11-06-2020, 12:13 AM
Oh yeah, he’ll try. I just think this is the point where his invincibility powers wear off. I really think it’ll depend on how close this is, but if Biden takes NV, PA, and GA like he’s projected to, nobody will back him up. It’ll only be if the election is super close, closer than it seems anyone is calling it.

most confusing scenario would be if Trump takes everything but GA, then both candidates are tied at 269. There’s no clear next move there, that’s virgin territory. You’d think we’d have a system in place that would defer at that point which would, I dunno, look at the popular vote. Biden is ahead right now by 4 million in the popular vote, and while you’d think that’s the sorta thing that would matter... instead, it’s much more important if PA is won by a majority of, I dunno, 4 people. That’s how it could wind up; 4 people outweighing the vote of four million.

Wretchedest
11-06-2020, 01:58 AM
She got 1.2%

She wants to privatize Social Security (https://jo20.com/issues/social-security/).
And get rid of licenses and regulations (https://jo20.com/issues/poverty/).

In other words, she’s Trump on heels.
Except she does want to get rid of coal and oil, and build more nuclear.

These third party people need to put a lot more energy into getting into state and federal legislatures and municipalities.

I hate Jo Jorgensen, I'm just basking in her role as a spoiler, and the internet arguments between Jorgensen voters and trump supporters. It's like watching all my worst conversations from the last 4 years but only between people I hate

Erneuert
11-06-2020, 02:28 AM
Oh yeah, he’ll try. I just think this is the point where his invincibility powers wear off. I really think it’ll depend on how close this is, but if Biden takes NV, PA, and GA like he’s projected to, nobody will back him up. It’ll only be if the election is super close, closer than it seems anyone is calling it.

most confusing scenario would be if Trump takes everything but GA, then both candidates are tied at 269. There’s no clear next move there, that’s virgin territory. You’d think we’d have a system in place that would defer at that point which would, I dunno, look at the popular vote. Biden is ahead right now by 4 million in the popular vote, and while you’d think that’s the sorta thing that would matter... instead, it’s much more important if PA is won by a majority of, I dunno, 4 people. That’s how it could wind up; 4 people outweighing the vote of four million.

That makes my head hurt.

Haysey_Draws
11-06-2020, 04:35 AM
Apparently Biden is now leading Georgia by 917...are we in the endgame now?!

allegro
11-06-2020, 04:36 AM
^ Wrong thread

Haysey_Draws
11-06-2020, 04:42 AM
^ Wrong thread
My bad!

allegate
11-06-2020, 12:34 PM
https://twitter.com/levarburton/status/1324763121551114243?s=20

https://twitter.com/MattOswaltVA/status/1324759408732041218?s=20

allegate
11-06-2020, 02:56 PM
https://twitter.com/JFSculpts/status/1324802045371666434?s=20

allegate
11-06-2020, 06:40 PM
https://twitter.com/afrobella/status/1324855501323194376?s=20

versusreality
11-06-2020, 06:49 PM
that report has to be satire...it HAS to be.

allegate
11-06-2020, 06:51 PM
2020 is the year that killed satire so who can truly say.

M1ke
11-06-2020, 07:07 PM
Nothing Trump does matters anymore.

sweeterthan
11-06-2020, 07:46 PM
Nothing Trump does matters anymore.

i want to believe


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allegate
11-06-2020, 11:26 PM
https://twitter.com/jenniferjjacobs/status/1324924848217477121

Erneuert
11-07-2020, 02:00 AM
Sources close to the White House say some officials are beginning to quietly back away from Trump

From CNN's Jim Acosta
Sources close to the White House said some senior officials inside the White House and the campaign are beginning to quietly back away from Trump, in acts of self-preservation, as the returns in Pennsylvania and Georgia indicate the President will not win reelection.

"It's over," one key adviser to the administration said of the race. The adviser went on to say there are concerns about what Trump will do, beyond the question of whether he will concede the race.

"God. Who knows," the adviser said when asked what Trump might do next, conceding there were multiple officials in the campaign and the White House who were shaking their heads after Trump's litany of false statements (https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/politics/fact-check-trump-speech-thursday-election-rigged-stolen/index.html)Thursday evening in the White House briefing room.

GulDukat
11-07-2020, 08:54 AM
This should forever be known as the "don't count your chickens" speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlmaKdbC6ZM

GulDukat
11-07-2020, 09:38 AM
Joe Biden won, but we lost: There's no doubt who we are now, and it ain't pretty (https://www.salon.com/2020/11/07/joe-biden-won-but-we-lost-theres-no-doubt-who-we-are-now-and-it-aint-pretty/)

Jinsai
11-07-2020, 09:39 AM
Trump's last four tweets have all been flagged by Twitter for being misleading. SAD!

Can you imagine if Hillary Clinton had responded to losing in 2016 like this?! She won the popular vote, but she conceded that night, leaving the South Park team just enough time to remake the episode that aired Wednesday night.

BRoswell
11-07-2020, 10:22 AM
Sources close to the White House say some officials are beginning to quietly back away from Trump

Nice. Hey, maybe you guys should have done that before when he was doing *gestures wildly* EVERYTHING ELSE!

allegate
11-07-2020, 10:54 AM
Rupert Murdoch force ghosting in
https://twitter.com/joannelipman/status/1324947646029697027
https://twitter.com/mollyjongfast/status/1324923866360111106lol

allegro
11-07-2020, 12:18 PM
^^ “Grace and composure he exhibited with Savannah Guthrie ...”

Huh??

onthewall2983
11-07-2020, 01:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhF6Yzws5PU

allegate
11-07-2020, 02:01 PM
https://twitter.com/RyanHigginsRyan/status/1325136800558411776?s=20

allegate
11-07-2020, 02:25 PM
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1325135133452738565?s=20

GTFO here with that bull.

SM Rollinger
11-07-2020, 02:30 PM
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1325135133452738565?s=20

GTFO here with that bull.

I can see him resigning and Pence pardoning him.

paul_is_dead
11-07-2020, 02:39 PM
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1325154115173879814

Swykk
11-07-2020, 02:52 PM
“Fuck your feelings”


You saw it on their flags. Their social media posts and profiles. They are truly the worst of the worst. Sociopaths. Psychos. Bullies. Racists. All of the poor qualities a person can have encompassed the MAGA movement.** They gleefully ate shit and suffered because they drank the Fox/OAN/Breitbart kook aid about liberals. They shunned science for their orange master and more people died from COVID-19 than should have if a good leader had been president. And sadly, there are a lot more of them than we thought but today, finally, we see that good defeats evil and we still outnumber them; even when we leftists don’t all agree to the same future we’d like to see.


Today, you might say straight from the orange toddler’s mouth, MAGA cult are “suckers” and “losers.” They are suckers. They got roped in by a terrible businessman and a con man. They excused criminal acts including sexual assault. And any one of them that claims to be a Christian is full of shit—they did nothing Christ like. You think for one millisecond that that cruel dictator wanna be is religious? No. He saw a bunch of hypocrite marks and capitalized on their hatred and fear. They’re not patriots. Patriots would never support fascism. I think they should keep their flags, signs, and bumper stickers up where everyone can see, point, laugh or just know there’s an awful person nearby. Because fuck your feelings, right? How does it taste now? It’s over. Done. With any luck at all, after he’s escorted off White House grounds he will face multiple charges in NYC and possibly federal charges as well.


Any money they give to his campaign for bogus challenges goes to recoup the campaign cost. Might wanna read the fine print for once.


Was Biden my 1st or 7th choice? Nope. He’s better than Trump though. Much better.


Do I know we will still have to push hard and fight for real progressive policies that will benefit most Americans? YES. I’ll gladly help do so but for now? I’m going to really breathe for the first time in 4 years, be happy to not worry every day what dangerous and embarrassing shit the leader of my country is going to do, enjoy being bored by the news again soon, and just start picking up the pieces of all the awful shit that’s happened in my life over the last 3 years and focus on building a good life (hopefully find that someone that wants to do so with me).


** I do think there’s a small percentage of MAGA that were not vile but maybe thought Trump’s financial policies would help them. Or faced economic hardships during the pandemic. They’re also wrong but not the scumlows that make up the majority of MAGA.

PS Fuck you too, fence riding selfish shitty libertarians. Go fuck yourselves forever, petulant children.

Addendum: Stephen Miller 4 Prison. And if he doesn’t go down for something, he shouldn’t be allowed to spend a single solitary moment in public without getting things thrown at him. Picture: what happened to Richard Ramirez.

allegate
11-07-2020, 02:54 PM
I can see him resigning and Pence pardoning him.

you shut up right now! lol

burninglard
11-07-2020, 03:01 PM
I have a customer I service who is a pro-trump, anti-Obama kind of person. He always runs his mouth. Saying how he hopes he is on the right side of history and believes Obama is the worst president in our history and Trump is the greatest :( Well, I got news for him. Trump will be remembered as the worst in history and it isn’t even close. Trump for now at least is America’s Hitler. That is how he will be remembered. Fuck Trump and his family and followers!

allegro
11-07-2020, 03:14 PM
“You saw it on their flags. Their social media posts and profiles. They are truly the worst of the worst. Sociopaths. Psychos. Bullies. Racists.

The thing is, this election was supposed to be a repudiation of all that. But, this election really demonstrates that "MAGA" really = the GOP.

All along, the Democrats and the left were mostly believing that MAGA were outliers who had somehow commandeered the Republican party, under Trump's direction, and that the rest of the Republicans were helpless to take back the party from these RINOs.

But, today, we know this is absolutely not true.

Donald Trump received more than SEVENTY MILLION VOTES in this 2020 election, not only MORE than he received in 2016, but the 2nd most votes in U.S. history.

(The 1st being what Joe Biden received in this election, 2020.)

MAGA aren't outliers; they are the GOP. They were all along.

And they aren't going away, and they are racists and nationalists and they are autocrats and they want to destroy this democracy, and if we don't keep fighting them, we are going to be in BIG trouble.

Being "conservative" is one thing.

But being REPUBLICAN means voting for that autocratic shit that will destroy this country and its democracy.

The Republicans have already destroyed the judicial by installing their puppets that uphold their oligarchy. They brainwash their followers to vote en masse to uphold their oligarchy. This fight won't go away any time soon.

october_midnight
11-07-2020, 03:28 PM
https://twitter.com/___Colb___/status/1325131891989688320

Swykk
11-07-2020, 03:55 PM
I’m not saying the fight is over. Not at all. I’m just relieved we’ve won this one.

burninglard
11-07-2020, 03:58 PM
The thing is, this election was supposed to be a repudiation of all that. But, this election really demonstrates that "MAGA" really = the GOP.

All along, the Democrats and the left were mostly believing that MAGA were outliers who had somehow commandeered the Republican party, under Trump's direction, and that the rest of the Republicans were helpless to take back the party from these RINOs.

But, today, we know this is absolutely not true.

Donald Trump received more than SEVENTY MILLION VOTES in this 2020 election, not only MORE than he received in 2016, but the 2nd most votes in U.S. history.

(The 1st being what Joe Biden received in this election, 2020.)

MAGA aren't outliers; they are the GOP. They were all along.

And they aren't going away, and they are racists and nationalists and they are autocrats and they want to destroy this democracy, and if we don't keep fighting them, we are going to be in BIG trouble.

Being "conservative" is one thing.

But being REPUBLICAN means voting for that autocratic shit that will destroy this country and its democracy.

The Republicans have already destroyed the judicial by installing their puppets that uphold their oligarchy. They brainwash their followers to vote en masse to uphold their oligarchy. This fight won't go away any time soon.
I agree, trust me. I never believed for 1 second in the last 4 years that the GOP or people that voted for Trump only did so because they couldn’t for Hilary. I saw right through that bullshit. But I will remain optimistic that this is the 1st win in many against that garbage that is the GOP.

Deacon Blackfire
11-07-2020, 04:05 PM
The Biden Presidency has a tough road ahead of it, and a lot of work to do. I hope that they are aggressive in pursuing the kind of policies and reforms that this country is in desperate need of, and don't kneecap themselves trying to compromise with the right or "both-sides"-ing issues that the vast majority of Americans are in favor of. I suppose a lot of that depends on how the Senate shakes out in the end.

But just knowing that the repugnant, privilege-insulated, fundamentally useless bag of shit, who has so loudly and so proudly wrought so much evil and destruction and ruined lives and death, has been defeated and faces being ripped from his pampered bubble...

It's a good day, and I feel good to be alive. I plan on watching Biden like a hawk, and am prepared to be very critical, but I'm glad he has the chance to prove me wrong.

EDIT: Obviously I hope Trump and his administration are thrown to the wolves legally but I'm too cynical about this country to get my hopes up about any of them facing genuine repercussions (yet).

allegro
11-07-2020, 04:31 PM
I agree, trust me. I never believed for 1 second in the last 4 years that the GOP or people that voted for Trump only did so because they couldn’t for Hilary. I saw right through that bullshit. But I will remain optimistic that this is the 1st win in many against that garbage that is the GOP.

Unfortunately, we are up against a HUGE army. Trump didn't start this; these maniacs have always been there; Trump just spotted a great marketing opportunity, and jumped on it. And now he's their Jesus. And he is NOT going away, not anytime soon, and neither are they. And they're going to be back in 2022, 2024, 2026, 2028, EN MASSE.

And the possibility of a civil war is still a very real possibility at every turn.

I still wonder if this country will end up being split in two. I just wonder the logistics. This ain't gonna be a "north vs. south."

I breathe a sigh of relief, but this shit ain't over. Not by a longshot.

This is so fucking exhausting, to be constantly up against these selfish assholes who think Biden is a Marxist socialist and who want all kinds of shit but don't want to pay taxes for it, and who worship a fucking fake billionaire.


I really hope that the Democrats can get those two Senate seats in January in the Georgia runoff, otherwise Mitch McConnell is going to block every single thing that Democrats in the House try to do, except maybe some things that Biden can manage to do via EOs (which isn't a ton but he can at least get back into the Paris Accord, undo a lot of environmental policy shit that Trump did via EOs, perhaps help DACA kids, get back into the Iran arms agreement, etc.).

burninglard
11-07-2020, 04:49 PM
Unfortunately, we are up against a HUGE army. Trump didn't start this; these maniacs have always been there; Trump just spotted a great marketing opportunity, and jumped on it. And now he's their Jesus. And he is NOT going away, not anytime soon, and neither are they. And they're going to be back in 2022, 2024, 2026, 2028, EN MASSE.

And the possibility of a civil war is still a very real possibility at every turn.

I still wonder if this country will end up being split in two. I just wonder the logistics. This ain't gonna be a "north vs. south."

I breathe a sigh of relief, but this shit ain't over. Not by a longshot.

This is so fucking exhausting, to be constantly up against these selfish assholes who think Biden is a Marxist socialist and who want all kinds of shit but don't want to pay taxes for it, and who worship a fucking fake billionaire.
I definitely agree we still have to worry/wonder every election. But the country is already divided in two. I am not worried about a Civil War. There is too many consequences of that happening and how that effects America’s standing with the world. Also the military is governed under 1 government as opposed to in 1861. So who ever would declare war would probably be doing so without military support. Just my 2 cents.

allegro
11-07-2020, 04:53 PM
I definitely agree we still have to worry/wonder every election. But the country is already divided in two. I am not worried about a Civil War. There is too many consequences of that happening and how that effects America’s standing with the world. Also the military is governed under 1 government as opposed to in 1861. So who ever would declare war would probably be doing so without military support. Just my 2 cents.

I'm thinking a civil war that's not be the same kind of "firing on Fort Sumter" kind of civil war, but more along the lines of a revolutionary thing, where the two sides start fighting each other via illegal militias and some police begin joining forces with the militia on the right, and then it becomes hard for police to tamp it down and we end up in a military police state.

We've already seen signs of this. In Kenosha, for instance, the KPD encouraged the (illegal) armed militia, thanked them for being there, gave them water, and even forced protesters down toward the militia's area to handle; then, three people ended up getting shot by a militia member, two fatally.

NYPD has been video'd not only looking the other way when around MAGA violence. One was using his squad car speakers to say "Trump 2020." (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/26/nypd-cop-suspended-trump-2020-video/)

Trump Jr. already issued a Tweet calling for "total war. (https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/elviadiaz/2020/11/05/donald-trump-jr-call-total-war-beyond-irresponsible/6181504002/)" Twitter censored it. The guy is a fucking dangerous moron.

Look at this shit. (https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/11/06/joshua-macia-antonio-lamotta-found-outside-pennsylvania-convention-center-charged-as-police-investigate-threat-of-attack/)

Jinsai
11-07-2020, 05:09 PM
I guess I might be one of the few who isn't really worried about some uprising here... in any realistic way.

Some of them will try to "get organized" and they'll wind up like the Wolverine Watchmen dorks. Some freaks have already threatened to do crazy shit but backed down as soon as they got a call from the feds.

All that said, Don Jr's account should have been shut down for that shit. That's on you Twitter.

zero
11-07-2020, 05:20 PM
PS Fuck you too, fence riding selfish shitty libertarians. Go fuck yourselves forever, petulant children.

Well I voted Libertarian this year, so I suppose you don't like me? I am truly sorry you are so wildly judgemental and full of hatred. Calling someone shitty and selfish based solely upon who they voted for is extremely ridiculous. I do not dislike you, although I do find your bigotry appalling.

allegro
11-07-2020, 05:21 PM
I guess I might be one of the few who isn't really worried about some uprising here... in any realistic way.

Some of them will try to "get organized" and they'll wind up like the Wolverine Watchmen dorks. Some freaks have already threatened to do crazy shit but backed down as soon as they got a call from the feds.

All that said, Don Jr's account should have been shut down for that shit. That's on you Twitter.

I'm not saying it would turn into something full-blown and we end up with two countries.

But more like the 60s; several assassinations and bombings and the National Guard with curfews all the damned time, and Covid is bad enough but these assholes are exhausting. And dangerous.

And not all that dangerous to privileged white people. It's not ME I'm worried about.

If we manage to get past January 20th, I think we should be okay.

burninglard
11-07-2020, 05:56 PM
I'm not saying it would turn into something full-blown and we end up with two countries.

But more like the 60s; several assassinations and bombings and the National Guard with curfews all the damned time, and Covid is bad enough but these assholes are exhausting. And dangerous.

And not all that dangerous to privileged white people. It's not ME I'm worried about.

If we manage to get past January 20th, I think we should be okay.
I see what you mean now. Yeah unfortunately more incidents like that probably will occur. But like you’ve said... they have been already happening. Hopefully they don’t become more mass and full scale.

ickyvicky
11-07-2020, 06:03 PM
omg his tweets make me want to throw up. can't twitter block his account already??

allegro
11-07-2020, 06:08 PM
Twitter is saying that after 1/20, they're not letting him off the hook, anymore, and that Trump's account is subject to a ban.

ickyvicky
11-07-2020, 06:09 PM
Yay!

versusreality
11-07-2020, 06:15 PM
I'm super happy Biden won. it feels great.

a lot of work to be done! he's inheriting the country when covid will be the worst. Trump can do a lot of damage between now and mid Jan. his followers are ready for it. I'm not expecting an all out war, but I am expecting it to not be pretty. in that sense, I feel bad for Biden, he's going to have his hands very full.

allegro
11-07-2020, 06:45 PM
What the ...

https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1325169074981142529?s=21

M1ke
11-07-2020, 06:48 PM
Wasn't it always known that he'd try to do that?

Disinformation to convince people that he won, then try to set up faithless electors?

We knew this was coming, didn't we? I don't think the republicans will go along with it. Even if they did, it would be 100% the end of the USA.

EDIT: Also, I hate to play devils advocate here, but I do remember many people trying to convince the EC to change their votes away from Trump in 2016, and it didn't happen then.

burnmotherfucker!
11-07-2020, 06:48 PM
Yeah I hope I'm wrong but I don't see Biden getting more than one term. Look at how Trump coasted on Obama's economy for 3 years before he actually had to face a challenge and failed immediately. We haven't seen the peak of covid fallout yet I don't think. Nor have we seen the full effect of Trump's policy (rich get richer tax cuts with even more govt. spending is NOT sound policy). He's going to pin it on Biden and Americans aren't equipped with a deep understanding of how all these various factors effect the economy long term.

As happy as I am today, I'm also pretty certain the republican party is now lost forever. They are going to lean further toward fascism, that's where voter turnout is apparently. I just watched Bush's statement he made in the wake of Obama's election. I recommend watching it. That's how this country used to function and I never appreciated it. I also watched John McCain stand up to his own voters accusing Obama of being an Arab terrorist. He was booed by his own crowd for it! He did the right thing but that crowd has been waiting for Trumpism their whole lives. They got him and now their party is shifting the country way too fucking far right. I mean Joe Biden is now being referred to as a communist? Just what in the fucking fuck? How goddam dumb can people be?

I'm not going to pretend I agree with Bush or McCain's politics but I'm just trying to make the point that this really is different in a profound way. It feels like we are on the cusp of an Orwellian existence. Truth and integrity took a big hit. But right now it's great to see so many celebrate in the street. I think what happened in Philly and ATL and Detroit just showed everyone in the city what their power is when they turn out en masse. Lets hope that continues as well.

ickyvicky
11-07-2020, 06:49 PM
There's like fireworks going off near my house - I can't tell for sure since I live in a woodsy area, it's hard to see. I just hope it's that and nothing else stupid!

burnmotherfucker!
11-07-2020, 07:00 PM
What the ...

https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1325169074981142529?s=21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ

Jinsai
11-07-2020, 07:03 PM
I think when people were actually pleading with the electors in 2016 they were basing it on the insane divide between the electoral college and the popular vote, which was unheard of at that point. We'd never seen anything like it.

Trump trying to nudge electors when there's a 4+ million popular vote outweighing his? Not gonna fucking happen. All this flailing and desperation, I dunno, I wish I was enjoying it more, but it's just kind of sad.

zero
11-07-2020, 07:07 PM
I guess I might be one of the few who isn't really worried about some uprising here... in any realistic way...

I agree. There may be isolated incidents but no large scale revolt. However, if Trump somehow ends up winning due to recounts and or court decisions, there will absolute pandemonium.

allegro
11-07-2020, 07:19 PM
Yeah I hope I'm wrong but I don't see Biden getting more than one term.

I believe Biden said, repeatedly, that he isn’t likely to run for a second term, and that he was worried about lasting through all four years of THIS term, due to his advanced age; hence why he carefully chose his V.P.

But I hope that the energy and enthusiasm that voters put into the Democratic side of this election continues ... continues in the midterm, to elect Senators, local representatives, municipal representatives, everyone.

I hope people stay involved, with each and every election, ESPECIALLY their state and municipal elections. If voters can flip their own state and municipal governments to be more liberal or progressive, then this will translate to a simpler national election, and more civil rights, equal rights, economic rights, etc.


Trump trying to nudge electors when there's a 4+ million popular vote outweighing his?
Exposing it to the light removes its power.

burnmotherfucker!
11-07-2020, 07:23 PM
I just watched Fox news for about 2 mins. They're talking about dead people voting, people voting twice, late, etc. It's insanity to throw gas on that fire. They had a lawyer saying confidently that Trump will be the winner. This will only make violence more likely. All of this is asserted without evidence and therefore can be dismissed without evidence. But to Trumpers, its true.

So to correct myself from earlier. We aren't heading for an Orwellian society, We are in one.

allegro
11-07-2020, 07:48 PM
Here is some much-needed comic relief:

https://twitter.com/gnuman1979/status/1325237099952533504?s=21