Trump 2020-21 - Epilogue

[GulDukat]

Some thoughts:

1. What does this mean for the debates?
2. How will this affect the 2020 race?
3. Will the senate still try to go ahead with the Supreme Court hearings?
4. Will Trump try to campaign?
5. Trump is 74 and obese--how sick will be become?

[NotoriousTIMP]

My sister and I were chatting about this earlier and we started kicking around the idea that this is his way to postpone the election, but then again we realized that would be some QAnon shit and quickly discredited the idea.

[botley]

The enormous Russia-backed campaign to keep him in office doubtless has all sorts of contingency plans for this.

[Sebek]

Some thoughts:

1. What does this mean for the debates?
2. How will this affect the 2020 race?
3. Will the senate still try to go ahead with the Supreme Court hearings?
4. Will Trump try to campaign?
5. Trump is 74 and obese--how sick will be become?

My quick thoughts, and I'm no expert on any of this..
1. It's much more likely that the 2nd one gets cancelled. As it is the first one left a "why even bother" taste in everyone's mouth.
2. I imagine it can only be negative for Trump's ratings. Allllll that downplaying of how serious this is, and the mocking of masks, etc. Might not change the mood of his base but maybe just maybe some on the edge might be swayed to view the topic differently. At the very least it brings the topic of health front and center and that's a topic that Trump will not win against Biden.
3. I'd say they absolutely still go forward, McConnell is like a dog with a bone about the courts, he won't give up an opportunity to fuck us for generations, that's his legacy.
4. Doubtful for a while, and time is running short, this might close his campaigning window to two weeks or less. Whether he gets back out there at all depends on how he recovers of course.
5. Seems like you never know how it will effect people, but I'd have to imagine he'll end up ok. He's rich, he's white, he's sure to have the best medical care anyone could ask for. See Boris Johnson as an example. There's a reason why this is killing off poor minorities in higher numbers. But still... y'never know, right?

[TheBang]

1. What does this mean for the debates?
The next debate is 12 days away. The CDC says (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/duration-isolation.html#cecommendations): "For most persons with COVID-19 illness, isolation and precautions can generally be discontinued 10 days after symptom onset1 and resolution of fever for at least 24 hours. For persons who never develop symptoms, isolation and other precautions can be discontinued 10 days after the date of their first positive RT-PCR test for SARS-CoV-2 RNA."

I'd say there's a good chance the 2nd debate could need to be rescheduled.


3. Will the senate still try to go ahead with the Supreme Court hearings?
I don't see how this will stop McConnell from ramming it through. The only way I see is if Trump dies, and then there's an argument to be made that his nomination is now invalid since he is no longer President.


4. Will Trump try to campaign?
In person? I don't see how he can. As much as he probably wants to, I don't think there's any way he can flout the isolation requirements.


5. Trump is 74 and obese--how sick will be become?
Herman Cain was also 74, so we can only hope.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Him making fun of Biden for wearing a mask everywhere he goes during the debate just makes this news that much more ironic.

[Piko]

Considering how lucky he is, he's probably going to beat it. This irony is amazing. He had a fundraiser too. No mask. Who knows how many of his donors he infected.

[botley]

Superspreader-in-Chief

[thelastdisciple]

Whatever happens, happens. I don't wish him dead but I don't wish him well either.

Moreover he doesn't deserve a shred of empathy.

[dlb]

No empathy here, but I too could see this as one big hoax. I also don't wish him death as that wouldn't solve any problems, in fact things might blow up when he dies.

The whole thing is nothing more than a joke and I feel more than bad for my friends over in the US. There are times where I think it can't get any worse in my own country, so I feel all of you.

My only hope would be that no one loses their lives because of all of this turmoil that is happening. Yet the news proof me wrong on a steady basis.

[Wretchedest]

I think it would solve problems. Not sorry.

[Haysey_Draws]

There's a bit of a theory online now that the timing of this and how he announced it seemed odd, and that this is all just a ploy to get sympathy in the short term and to "beat" covid and then roll with the whole "see it's not a big deal, it's just a cold" and then go hard on it's not serious. While i'm not one for theories, i wouldn't put that past him. But if he does have it and recovers ...he'll probably just go with "it's not serious" anyway and that could be seriously dangerous. Like many in the UK we hoped our PM was going to change and take things seriously when he got it...he didn't.

[Conan The Barbarian]

I’ve never rooted for covid, until now. Come on baby, do your thing.

[versusreality]

There's a bit of a theory online now that the timing of this and how he announced it seemed odd, and that this is all just a ploy to get sympathy in the short term and to "beat" covid and then roll with the whole "see it's not a big deal, it's just a cold" and then go hard on it's not serious. While i'm not one for theories, i wouldn't put that past him. But if he does have it and recovers ...he'll probably just go with "it's not serious" anyway and that could be seriously dangerous. Like many in the UK we hoped our PM was going to change and take things seriously when he got it...he didn't.

my exact thoughts, before I even signed online.

[M1ke]

I almost wonder if this is how America is saved.

Seriously, if he dies of COVID, that might just prevent a civil war.

At that point, Biden can win the election without his supports having anything to protest.

[M1ke]

On the other hand, this could be a hoax.

The way this came out said that Melania has it too, and I don't think she's letting Trump come within 6 feet of her.

[versusreality]

the more people I talk to this morning as we're waking up, the majority of which has just seen the headline of him having it, the majority of them believe it is a hoax (all liberal people, and even two non-Trump fan conservatives I've talked to)

as one person said: "the ol' medical excuse from his Vietnam War playbook "
another: "I'll need to see if more people he came in contact with test positive, then I'll believe it"

[sweeterthan]

i bet he’s fine. 2020 is just not that cool.


edit: that thread title tho [emoji23]

[Archive_Reports]

Man. Woman. Television camera. Covid.

[cdm]

There's a bit of a theory online now that the timing of this and how he announced it seemed odd, and that this is all just a ploy to get sympathy in the short term and to "beat" covid and then roll with the whole "see it's not a big deal, it's just a cold" and then go hard on it's not serious. While i'm not one for theories, i wouldn't put that past him. But if he does have it and recovers ...he'll probably just go with "it's not serious" anyway and that could be seriously dangerous. Like many in the UK we hoped our PM was going to change and take things seriously when he got it...he didn't.

I just don't think a scam of that magnitude is possible right now. The risk of a leak would be so intense and surely SOMEONE in the know would spill it on deep background. Plus there's really nothing to gain aside from him getting 2 weeks off.

The telling part here is the WH didn't announce the initial exposure with Hicks, whose symptoms were known to the administration as early as Wednesday. Hicks tested positive Thursday and Bloomberg WH reporter Jennifer Jacobs broke the story shortly thereafter >>

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In a functioning administration, one that defers to the science, the president would have canceled all events until he could be tested. Instead they flew to Bedminster for 3ish hours to do nothing other than get money from rubes. This is going to be one hell of a contact trace operation. These absolute fucking idiots.

[allegro]

^^^ Exactly. It’s likely he knew he had it the day before, and did a fundraiser, anyway.

It’s amazing to me that the man lies SO much, when he gets Covid people don’t believe him. That’s what happens with liars.

Given that he sees sickness as weakness, I never thought it was a lie; I always thought he’d cover it up and lie if he got it. But he has doctors constantly testing him, and they’re not going to lie. The White House has THOUSANDS of instant tests. Then they wait for the more in-depth test.

Twitter is also posting all kinds of news reports that Hope Hicks was SYMPTOMATIC on Wednesday.

[onthewall2983]

The way this came out said that Melania has it too, and I don't think she's letting Trump come within 6 feet of her.

They held hands at the debate.

I think he's sick. I mean, I think he has COVID. He would not fake a sickness for any kind of sympathy, because he wants everyone to believe he is in tip-top shape.

[cdm]

hat tip to whoever changed the titles of the thread...*chefskiss*

[onthewall2983]

hat tip to whoever changed the titles of the thread...*chefskiss*

Was not me. I honestly do not believe this is a joking matter. Yes, because we need to not sink to their level and all that, but this could cause a panic which we obviously do not need now.

[GulDukat]

If the POTUS was a well-liked guy, running for reelection and had been advocating wearing masks and had been informing the public about COVID from the start, he may get a "sympathy vote." I don't think this will be the case for Trump.

[tony.parente]

Here’s hoping he dies.

[allegro]

Pence has tested negative.

[allegate]

I know I posted in the WW3 thread but it's not as well trafficed.

https://twitter.com/TimInHonolulu/status/1311883569086623744?s=19

That's the plane - two planes, one on each coast - that says you don't want to fuck with us.

[cdm]

Was not me. I honestly do not believe this is a joking matter. Yes, because we need to not sink to their level and all that, but this could cause a panic which we obviously do not need now.

It's a you reap what you sow matter, IMO.

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[cdm]

Pence has tested negative.

For now. So has Mnuchin. Even so, anyone with known exposure to a positive should isolate for 14 days, per CDC recommendation that applies to us normies.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1311920391842078725?s=19

[sweeterthan]

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1311920391842078725?s=19

i don’t know. we already have the so called patriots who support him because they think he’s a christian who donates his salary. i personally think the two sides will stay as divided as ever because he’s polarized our politics so damn much.


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[cdm]

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The next 5-7 days are going to be...eventful.

[chuckrh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPIdRJlzERo

[versusreality]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPIdRJlzERo

don't jinx it...

post this after it happens, if it happens

lot of time between now and nov 3 (and beyond) ughhhh

[allegro]

https://twitter.com/joyannreid/status/1312038694891786242?s=21


https://twitter.com/jaredhuffman/status/1311900988521938945?s=21

[cdm]

FYI:

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Totally plausible...but alas...

[allegro]

https://twitter.com/cptnrawrpnts/status/1312006958644371456?s=21

[allegate]

Firstly:

https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2015/08/frustrated.gif

Secondly:

straight savage.

https://twitter.com/thatpetewoods/status/1311896586570657798?s=20

https://twitter.com/bmrow/status/1312006465255665667?s=20

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1312048284219977729

at what point do they bring Pence in as the insurance?

[cdm]

at what point do they bring Pence in as the insurance?

I don't see that happening unless he needs a vent, or worse. Boris and Cain are evidence that shit can go south very suddenly but, so far, it doesn't seem like that is imminent.

^^ not a medical opinion lol

[paul_is_dead]

Has the person who does his fake tan been tested?

[BRoswell]

I'm of two minds on whether or not this is true (which is fucked up, but hey, 2020, amiright?). On one hand, I could totally see him faking it, even if it goes against what he's said in the past. On the other hand, he and his associates have been mocking and avoiding guidelines since the start of the pandemic, so I'm not at all shocked by this news. In fact, I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner.

[allegate]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjTfUxRUwAIdKcQ?format=jpg&name=medium

[cdm]

Utah Sen Mike Lee being another.

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https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/politics/2020/09/28/judge-amy-coney-barrett-nominated-us-supreme-court-president-trump/3559581001/

[M1ke]

There are enough connected people coming down with it now that I'm betting he really has it.

His team leaks like crazy, if this was fake, someone in his team would be secretly talking to the press.....I think he really has it.

[BRoswell]

Trump cult blames Biden for this in 3...2...1...

[M1ke]

Cross-posted to the election thread, Biden testes negative: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/02/fears-joe-biden-may-have-been-exposed-after-trump-tests-positive-for-covid

[allegate]

Cross-posted to the election thread, Biden testes negative: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/02/fears-joe-biden-may-have-been-exposed-after-trump-tests-positive-for-covid
*puerile giggle*

[cdm]

*puerile giggle*

Keep in mind the incubation period...a negative test today does not mean a negative test tomorrow or next week from an exposure on Tuesday, however unlikely that may be with no direct contact between the campaigns.

** Sees bolded text allegate lol. as you were...

[paul_is_dead]

The right wingers are saying today that people shouldn't be making jokes...?

Ahem

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/782673397952094208

[BRoswell]

The right wingers are saying today that people shouldn't be making jokes...?

Ahem

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/782673397952094208

And...

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[allegate]

they just can't stop being terrible, can they.

https://twitter.com/ScenarioLENS/status/1312110384959029248?s=20

[eachpassingphase]

[emoji886] I hope Stephen Miller gets it, and nature takes it’s course on that nazi chump. [emoji886]

The conservative goons are already crowing about the “nEeD fOr CiViLiTy oN tHe LeFt.” They can die mad about it. Y’all don’t get to lecture anybody about civility anymore. I literally just saw tweets last week from Republican twitter about RBG burning in hell.

[M1ke]

they just can't stop being terrible, can they.

https://twitter.com/ScenarioLENS/status/1312110384959029248?s=20

I'm trying to find anything to back this tweet up, but can't find anything......are you sure about this one?

[cdm]

I'm trying to find anything to back this tweet up, but can't find anything......are you sure about this one?

This appears to be the exchange:

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In fairness, I do not interpret that as "they knew" and more like it was a byproduct of their lack of consideration for the process, the staff involved, and for the Biden campaign. As always, it seems like they did whatever the fuck they wanted.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/RonnyJackson4TX/status/1311946899331710977?s=20

he is a real doctor, right?

[GulDukat]

It is odd that Trump hasn't tweeted or called into FOX since yesterday. His people are saying that he has mild fever (https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/02/world/covid-19-coronavirus/the-president-has-a-fever-congestion-and-a-cough-two-people-close-to-him-say?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR1Xtj4zSESCS0GLScs07wWARMwB8lcqq_XPnQf2_ S8nq9lHqT5MaCJjAGM&fbclid=IwAR0K1ojLnPlDzdmqVxzp7KsilvdqSU96GBU0P09i4 RZ1tZzqyzk-W4re-qY&fbclid=IwAR3Cuu7hSOxrLIa3XRSd1v_KObljpQTxdMwFc37XA-JaCaV6gWlrz4Uo1Lg&fbclid=IwAR1_vmona2Xs2oYWGPNZoA-UCwVDsnZ9H_cvj-ThXqtvejWUGa882w4TJho&fbclid=IwAR3jzOU7p0CiOT40BRflXvmAvhfqox8mtaGlFtnfk zaqxaHhWCdksIqSQK4&fbclid=IwAR3yqqeMGfiqor9qRBcb71aBTNyGz6UTvlsUaowPm 8nJRMWmUSz6fphnSq0&fbclid=IwAR1QbcRRLfebzwaWkYnTdB2HkX8WHGWH-sE1ujhfyRw-G9MX1D_Fzm0iOr4&fbclid=IwAR3zdtfp95oHo9zuNoK4zINviQs_x4SOPTIFpdL2h vJgK0JJ_Kq9gzbE3l0&fbclid=IwAR1n5YoLIO6ONsfxtIjRp2xGjY8pkxPmN5t7llD51 eQdm09P6wRTGMKZtVQ&fbclid=IwAR0dlk7t7nlOQlxkuQriw_ZoCY84pIYo-m4XOzbB5JlKkpiJwpy6fwY-bFA&fbclid=IwAR0RgfFpsuXQTZqRMKCH-EAULCx711PaaTbZAqk6o5CvWUyVbZP43jETiNw&fbclid=IwAR3IekHa5O9AVfKHEtPYwPwa5B2DwtSy7mQMAKh8a I3vKmKwNYL_6YdkaAE&fbclid=IwAR2QIRUMVdyEKutVcXGWjRxPDVvbHcgVpGD1v9gNu yVBx2mttotVLcMYnJk&fbclid=IwAR19db6H-heXizU94Y7hIUExs_eNLNdItxjEX-rjFVD7TyAkXmlaiQfJbHs&fbclid=IwAR171XP30f7Hs1G-v2tLpFPPZblIsxcMqGNxOf-SQIiKkdFUtpVhmk-pyIg&fbclid=IwAR1rWhJGTyoz5G7DBkNpVuubKJ2YUuJ4n8QhvfREC XfnW8UVNzNw8DIRYas&fbclid=IwAR0k2zOiDJ2IshorinYlzAjSdWIXHNfPhhKxu9hUi dqbognZAYgCSx9TRUM&fbclid=IwAR2DbH6sVrRZNiSRa6gy4qZA-QVMS82YdsVIVqr6xxPUssopDBmH1psD60M&fbclid=IwAR2Z4oGUg_0ML-c621E18xcqL8anv78yWig_01fG8P2aZ2TWsNLvunJ1-Vo&fbclid=IwAR2ESqOLoTlTjUMXSuO1o-lbqQBzeREZCeTBxLqgDExAQpludo9SuL-S66I&fbclid=IwAR2pHt3r5oaSgGgynTBwF77tvbMcyMi5JRVDxyDQQ oU6ARPxUFmK1-p3ulI&fbclid=IwAR1j-amk7c71dJ-HU2qdNqgsORpic8sJ3p61VqBF7L1ni0pXlSJVUNN9o_0&fbclid=IwAR01u09nPWtqkEJlITlMATxYX7pVqGxKfemlV6Nib BjGIurj4rDh5MLLTxI&fbclid=IwAR1k7fVu7uQHcQPwLHVATTzOdC3JegBpmq-chgyYCCR-2V4ASmjG4ukSkZI&fbclid=IwAR1PXx0K5tCck8oAt2nn7tkUZ_qA7TBDcqU6ogSJE Op7R_yWkMOTfn-87gU&fbclid=IwAR08stZ_OZ0Rwzr7Mv727Qwd_KeeYghFMYBKxMHdR 5NThhGe31BXAsvITMA&fbclid=IwAR3p2PtmbweRP8F6eeTNVRlpzd2CnpleMwYPVORhh qOB0GqXcaa0bHRjvG8), but who knows how sick he really is?

[hellospaceboy]

Herman Cane was reported to be breathing strong right before he died, so yeah, there is absolutely no way they would say it if Trump had serious symptoms. My bet is that unless he needs to go on a ventilator (which would require Pence to be in charge for that time and couldn't be swept under the rug) he will be nothing but "doing well and recovering strong".

[cdm]

And now they’ve given him a therapy cocktail still at trial. And as I type this Wapo says he’s going to Walter Reed. They’re not being honest about this. So to revisit a post from earlier, President Pence isn’t out of the question at some point in the very near future. Similar to Cain, Boris was fine, fine, fine, and then in ICU.

[GulDukat]

MSNBC is reporting that he is going to Walter Reed.

[paul_is_dead]

Doctor: “I know you’re struggling to breathe Mr. President but one day it’ll disappear, it’s like a miracle”

[Haysey_Draws]

I'm still concerned about how this will play out over the next few weeks, either he fully recovers and it's "i survived, the rest of America can too, it's just a cold" which would be very dangerous, or he dies and i assume Pence comes in but people finally realize how fucking serious it is and finally takes this seriously.

...how the fuck did we get here?!

[sweeterthan]

they’re saying going to walter reed is precautionary. my brain is going nuts over this. talk about reaping what you sow.

[versusreality]

I'm expecting him to be out of the hospital by the end of the weekend, at most.

[marodi]

"Bow down before the one you serve.
You're going to get what you deserve."

In life, two things are true: everyone is going to die someday and karma's a BITCH.

[cdm]

Maybe Melania kicked him out.

[leo3375]

I can't partake in the schadenfreude because I feel it would be disrespectful to those who died from something that could have been prevented so much sooner. All I can say is that when you play with fire you will get burned eventually. Unfortunately, His Imperial Egotisticalness is too malignant of a narcissist to learn the easy way, so he has to learn the hard way. Even then, the lesson probably won't stick. Even if he recovers, he will downplay the severity and will say that because it didn't affect him too badly (regardless of how severe it really is) it really isn't worth shutting down the country and requiring people to wear face masks when outside their own home.

[chuckrh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPXHRX8Q2hs

[paul_is_dead]

Hope Biden still tests negative next week.

Trump shouting and yelling at the debate, who knows

[NotoriousTIMP]

Chris Wallace says Trump showed up too late to the debate to be tested as planned so they had to abide by the "honor system" (https://imgur.com/gallery/zqAVIpt)

My guess is the Administration knew prior to the debates that he was sick...what a piece of shit Trump is if that's true

[ltrandazzo]

Kellyanne has tested positive. The Coney Barrett Supreme Court unveiling is a superspreader event.

Hope Hicks
Donald Trump
Dude in charge of Notre Dame
Mike Lee
Rona (Romney) McDaniel
Tom Thillis
Kellyanne Conway

[richardp]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/2UvAUplPi4ESnKa3W0/200.gif

[allegate]

can you even imagine how many scripts SNL has had to tear up as the week moved on and got weirder? like, wtf does the writers room even look like at this point.

[hellospaceboy]

Trump's having trouble breathing (supposedly, not 100% sure if it's confirmed)
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1572940/wh-doc-trump-fatigued-good-spirits-positive-covid/

So in 24 hours we went from no symptoms, mild symptoms, just a fever, and now difficulty breathing. Yikes.

[Wretchedest]

Supposedly the sun is a tabloid

[allegro]

MSNBC is reporting that Trump is having trouble breathing, as well.

CNN, too.

https://youtu.be/N-y4k0KIv8E

[Wretchedest]

Awesome

[r_z]

When they go low we... do too?

Please don't.

[GibbonBlack]

Supposedly the sun is a tabloid

Nothing suppposed about it. Don't believe a word they say :)

[Haysey_Draws]

Supposedly the sun is a tabloid

It is, one of the WORST! I wouldn't wipe my arse with their rag!

[Aladdinsanity]

When they go low we... do too?

Please don't.

Nah, fuck this asshole. It’s called poetic justice.

[Haysey_Draws]

Twatter going in hard now claiming you cannot say you wish/hope he dies...i mean there are a "few" people that have been getting regular death threats for years for just existing that would like a word...

[Kingforaday]

You know, I've struggled with this one. I don't like the man. He ain't my President, he leaves a path of destruction wherever he goes. I really don't want him to die from covid. I hope he suffers from it a lot. He left a nation open to it, not really caring for those under his stewardship......... However, I want him to live and face tax fraud charges and any other criminal acts he's committed. Whether he loses this time round or when he leaves office in another 4 years (hopefully now).

[versusreality]

Trump supporters are gathering outside of Walter Reed hospital.

....maskless, and justifying why they aren't wearing one.

[Archive_Reports]

When they go low we... do too?

Please don't.

You'd think not, but him dying of this virus might be the only way the US is not torn apart from the inside out.

[chuckrh]

It goes against my fundamental humanist beliefs to hope that Trump dies from COVID-19 but I hope he gets sick enough to possibly learn the error of his ways. Call me a dreamer. His opinion will be whatever the corporate overlords think will generate the most profits. Another factor is Pence scares the shit out of me. He appears to be a somewhat normal, reasonable person but if you look into it he's an end of the world Christian who can't wait to go hang with his bud Jesus. Not the kind of person you want with his finger on the button that could be the end of the world as we know it such as that is.

[GulDukat]

Hoping Trump makes a full recovery, loses to Biden and then just retires to Mar-a-Lago.

[WorzelG]

There are going to be a ton of conspiracy theorists going on about Deep State murder if he dies, I’ve already seen people on twitter question why it seems to be Republicans getting it, like it’s a plot - could it be because they’re the ones going round without masks at rallies?

[versusreality]

I've already seen a theory that someone purposely infected Trump's podium at the debate

[Haysey_Draws]

Like many i honestly cannot wish death on anyone, no matter how much of a cunt they are, but i just do not see him changing if he survives. You have to have had empathy in the first place, he'll just see it that his position and money saved him and just cling to it more...but this is coming from a pessimist.

[hellospaceboy]

I would pay premium to have access to hourly updates on his condition/hospital stay. I want to know if he can't sleep at night, can't breath, can't take a decent shit, bitches that the nurses can't hit his veins right when they give him an IV, etc...
Now THAT'S a reality show worthy of an Emmy!!!

[M1ke]

I feel like it's almost a modern day trolley problem.

We don't want to wish death on anyone, but if he lives and wins the election, hundreds of thousands more will die of covid. If he lives and loses the election he's likely to try to instigate a civil war while will undoubtedly kill many, probably not as many as him winning, but still more than zero.

The conspiracy nuts are going to have a harder time maintaining their fight if he's not cheering them on and constantly adding fuel.

I hate to be callous and wish death on anyone, but I feel like it would be better for the country if he died.

[hellospaceboy]

I feel like it's almost a modern day trolley problem.

We don't want to wish death on anyone, but if he lives and wins the election, hundreds of thousands more will die of covid.

We forget the actual reality, which is that it's not a "he lives or he dies" question. A lot of people who survive don't fully recover, and have dire health issues for the rest of their lives. There is definitely an outcome where he survives but is not able to serve out his term(s).

:)

[BRoswell]

I have absolutely no sympathy for Trumpy. He put himself in this position by being a total moron, so fuck him. Whatever happens, he's getting what he deserves right now.

[Jinsai]

Chris Christie now tests positive for COVID, maybe during the maskless debate prep session?

[versusreality]

so in a bizarre medical presser a few mins ago, his doctor said:

-he's "feeling fine" , his cough and fever are gone.
-claimed that he was getting treatment 72 hours ago. oops- that doesn't match up.
-claimed he's not on oxygen "right now" and kept saying that. it appears he may have been on oxygen yesterday.
-admitted that Trump is "slightly overweight"
-said he should be out in 5 days or less.
-ended the press conference abruptly when asked if Trump is on steroids

it was very bizarre.

[Jinsai]

I thought he said 72 hours ago, which is crazier...

[versusreality]

I thought he said 72 hours ago, which is crazier...

sorry, that's what I meant to type. I'll fix it.

[BRoswell]

1312232835080740865

[richardp]

Difficulty breathing??

HELL YES. I hope this piece of shit dies gargling on his fucking lung fluid. They go low we go high my ass. This fucker and his entire party deserve to all be on vents. Every last one of them.

[versusreality]

"the next 48 hours will be critical"
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/03/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-walter-reed/index.html

eh, we'll see.
even with that shit show of a press conference with the doctors, I think he is/will be fine.

could be wrong though.

[sweeterthan]

my question is why does he need an anesthesiologist? what for?

[hellospaceboy]

my question is why does he need an anesthesiologist? what for?

They put you under if you go on the ventilator

[sweeterthan]

They put you under if you go on the ventilator

“if” but he’s fine and not on oxygen so that’s not why.

[marodi]

“if” but he’s fine and not on oxygen so that’s not why.

I'm sure that was sarcasm because since when do we believe what they are telling us, especially if it's the current White House?

Anyway, I don't want him to die. Death is easy. I want him to suffer. I want his family to worry. I want them to feel what hundred of thousands families lived through because of him.

I am evil that way.

[Jinsai]

“if” but he’s fine and not on oxygen so that’s not why.

Well, now source is saying he was put on oxygen friday morning

”According to a person familiar with Trump’s condition, Trump was administered oxygen at the White House on Friday before he was transported to the military hospital. The person was not authorized to speak publicly and spoke to the White House press pool (of which NBC News was not a part of today) on condition of anonymity."

[Substance242]

By the way, even over here where we don't give many fucks the news were informing about that debate, it seems it was special indeed. :-)

[ZeroSum]

I really do not understand the people who have spent the past ~5 years vocalizing what is essentially hatred for this guy, as well as tons of legitimate existential dread about the pitiful direction of the country, who now are wishing him well?

Like, give me a fuckin break. This guy is a sack of shit. Hearing about his death should give us a similar feeling as when we hear a cancer has been successfully removed.

[richardp]

Exactly. Why on earth would anyone of sound mind wish Trump well unless they actually support him? Out of all the insane genocidal shit he's gotten away with, he deserves absolutely no well wishes whatsoever. Seriously. Let that fat egotistical bowl of diarrhea fucking die and die HARD. I'm talking the most painfully slow Covid death.

[Jinsai]

well, now Twitter, Facebook, and TikTok are prohibiting users from saying that sorta thing

https://www.npr.org/sections/latest-updates-trump-covid-19-results/2020/10/02/919778961/facebook-twitter-and-tiktok-say-wishing-trumps-death-from-covid-is-not-allowed

[allegate]

https://i.imgur.com/tNYqUmv.jpg

[richardp]

well, now Twitter, Facebook, and TikTok are prohibiting users from saying that sorta thing

https://www.npr.org/sections/latest-updates-trump-covid-19-results/2020/10/02/919778961/facebook-twitter-and-tiktok-say-wishing-trumps-death-from-covid-is-not-allowed

LOLOL Death Threats against Clinton and shit have been A-OKAY but people being excited over to potential death of a dictator crosses the line. How predictable. I wish Zuckerberg would fuckin get it too.

[allegate]

So there's an anonymous source in the White House, you say?

https://twitter.com/saraecook/status/1312424326788976641

I wonder who that could be...

https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/1312429131079057409?s=20

[NotoriousTIMP]

https://i.imgur.com/ZPOAF2Y.gif

[NotoriousTIMP]

LOLOL Death Threats against Clinton and shit have been A-OKAY but people being excited over to potential death of a dictator crosses the line. How predictable. I wish Zuckerberg would fuckin get it too.

Speaking of death threats, has anyone sent any to the advisor that supposedly got him sick? I'm curious if he dies, will his base turn on her and blame her for evrything.

[allegate]

Who, Hope Hicks? no, I'm pretty sure the incels are too busy thinking they have a chance with her than to think to threaten her.

[cdm]

Who, Hope Hicks? no, I'm pretty sure the incels are too busy thinking they have a chance with her than to think to threaten her.

If he truly was first positive on Wednesday or Thursday, roughly the same time as her positive / onset of symptoms, chances are she isn't patient zero as everyone initially believed.

[sweeterthan]

Who, Hope Hicks? no, I'm pretty sure the incels are too busy thinking they have a chance with her than to think to threaten her.

hope is contagious!


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[versusreality]

Chris Christie has checked into a hospital out of "precaution"
...sound familiar?

[Wretchedest]

Schrodinger's Nazi, either perfectly healthy or breathing his last breathe

[allegate]

https://i.gifer.com/2IzX.gif

[versusreality]

Trump just posted another video update. it was about 4 mins long. he was thanking everyone, but said stupid shit like "Melania is good because statistically she's supposed to be" or something along those lines. he admitted the next few days will determine a lot. compared to yesterday's video, he looked and sounded like shit tonight. sorry cooking dinner now so can't copy the link but it was floating around on twitter.

[TheBang]

Careful, 4 minutes of blathering ahead:

1312525833505058816

[NotoriousTIMP]

Careful, 4 minutes of blathering ahead:

1312525833505058816

anyone else wonder if these were recorded before going into the hospital, sorta like a safe guard to show he’s “okay”

[dlb]

Well, could be the general upload quality, but during these latest two videos he indeed doesn't look too healthy. Not severe, more like he had a rough night, but still. Definitely not "strong". And did they cut out a little cough around 1:05 or am I getting paranoid?

[versusreality]

they totally cut out coughing in the video.

his rhetoric, of course, is dangerous still.

[Patrick_Nicholas]

I'm probably going to get flamed for not wanting him to die this close to the election (if he dies after Inauguration Day, I sure as hell won't mourn him) but I expect things to get SERIOUSLY ugly if he dies at this time, not least because we would have President Pence on top of all the chaos. I'm hoping for America to restore some level of sanity, and any candidate dying at this time will only make things even worse. It's highly unlikely that Biden will be instantly declared the winner, after people have already started voting.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/10/03/trump-coronavirus-2020-elections-biden-what-exactly-happens-if-a-presidential-candidate-dies-before-election-day/


That’s where the already complicated becomes much more complicated, as Tucker and Pildes explain. Each state has deadlines for when candidates’ names can be placed on the ballot; most have come and gone. And in many states, particularly in the wake of the pandemic, mail-in ballots have already been sent and voters are already mailing in their ballots. So at this point, even if Trump were to die or become incapacitated, there would be no practical way for the Republican National Committee to pick a new candidate, then have each state recast its ballots to reflect the new ticket. Those are uncharted waters, and it would take historic and complex legal battles to figure out how to proceed.

EDIT: And that's not even taking into account possible conspiracy theories that can impact Biden's candidacy, while a civil war is pretty much inevitable regardless of who will be in the White House after January 20.

[sweeterthan]

Trump's not dying and there's not gonna be a civil war. His voters are not going to put themselves in harms way. the ones that will are a small group. He's been begging them for violence since June and all we got was a 17 year old who wanted to "protect small businesses".

eta: I just saw the video they posted of him with flags behind him. Everyone is saying he looks terrible but I think he actually looks pretty good for him. He's not fucking orange for one thing.

[allegate]

https://i.imgur.com/7Y8mhWC.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/WMrPkjV.jpg

[hellospaceboy]

eta: I just saw the video they posted of him with flags behind him. Everyone is saying he looks terrible but I think he actually looks pretty good for him. He's not fucking orange for one thing.

Agree, I think it looks startling because he's not oranged up, but probably that's just his normal skin tone.

[Jinsai]

Agree, I think it looks startling because he's not oranged up, but probably that's just his normal skin tone.

Which means that the person who sprays on his fake tan wasn't admitted to Walter Reed?

[versusreality]

something's not right.
that second doctor looks very nervous and just ends it very awkwardly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5vS9FEY048

with that said, I believe them when they say he'll be discharged tomorrow.

[dlb]

With all the contradictions and of course bad will making the rounds it's getting hard to discern what's right or wrong information. He might in fact be doing well, but still I find it highly suspicious how fast this is all going and how quick these doctors make their assumptions. This isn't like eating something bad and being sick immediately, it's a virus that takes a little time. Even if he gets to go back to the White House tomorrow, the next week will show how good or bad he's actually doing.

I guess he's indeed handling it well and there won't be alot of consequences so he can go out there and downplay the whole thing just in time for the election. Gotta keep the madness going!

[Wretchedest]

There was always a pretty low chance of his dying even with all of the factors and with out him being president.

[allegate]

well, never mind the fact that there isn't a doctor alive who wants to be the one who killed him. By which I mean he dies under their care and have you seen his supporters? they'd assume it was on purpose. so yeah, the doctor's being cautiously optimistic doesn't surprise me.

"The Death of Stalin" has been on my mind for the past couple hours for this reason.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/86/The_Death_of_Stalin.png

[r_z]

Such a great movie!

[allegro]

I'm probably going to get flamed for not wanting him to die this close to the election (if he dies after Inauguration Day, I sure as hell won't mourn him) but I expect things to get SERIOUSLY ugly if he dies at this time, not least because we would have President Pence on top of all the chaos. I'm hoping for America to restore some level of sanity, and any candidate dying at this time will only make things even worse. It's highly unlikely that Biden will be instantly declared the winner, after people have already started voting.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/10/03/trump-coronavirus-2020-elections-biden-what-exactly-happens-if-a-presidential-candidate-dies-before-election-day/


Actually, this is all covered because Pence is already on the ballot and ELECTORS from the Electoral College ultimately choose the candidate. If not the EC, then Congress.

See this: https://www.startribune.com/ap-explains-what-happens-if-a-candidate-for-president-dies/572630231/

[Wretchedest]

I think all this confusion around the doctors is mostly a case of them giving a press conference probably for the first time ever. They aren't trained in delivering this kind of message. I'm inclined to believe them.

[cdm]

I think all this confusion around the doctors is mostly a case of them giving a press conference probably for the first time ever. They aren't trained in delivering this kind of message. I'm inclined to believe them.

You may be right. Or they aren't accustomed to lying about a patient's condition to paint a rosy picture rather than state reality. In either case, you're right, they aren't trained for this.

[marodi]

Do you know what I like the most about the Formerly Orange One's video? The files on the desk in front of him. They are screaming "I'm still the big dog, top gun of the house. See? I work. I work hard! I still have the power. Winning!"

God that video was pathetic.

[paul_is_dead]

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1312868365963272192

"Oh my gosh I love you" Imagine liking a politician THAT much, very weird

[cdm]

The absolute dumbest fucking timeline.

[allegate]

piggybacking on the twit from paul_is_dead

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1312878778499182595?s=20

who the hell said he could leave quarantine for a drive by?

and what about the SS people who have to protect him?

[versusreality]

totally irresponsible. fucking terrible.
of course, this will only raise more questions on if he has it or not.

[sweeterthan]

piggybacking on the twit from paul_is_dead

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1312878778499182595?s=20

who the hell said he could leave quarantine for a drive by?

and what about the SS people who have to protect him?

he’s so weird. dude, youre sick. stay home. why is that so hard for him? it’s been two days. no one needs this.


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[M1ke]

https://i.imgur.com/6fsKNFo.png

If this is what they're saying, and we know they're trying to make it look better than it is, he's got to be in rough shape.

I don't think he's going to make it.

[versusreality]

It's so weird. I see what you're saying eskimo. but for some reason, I really do believe he'll be out of the hospital by tomorrow/Tuesday (and have continued treatment in the White House for a bit ) .

[allegate]

I wish I could put into words the feeling I get when I see an entire family walking around Home Depot carrying their masks in their hands.

[leo3375]

I think of the fate of Joseph Stalin. He died of a brain hemorrhage in 1953. Of course, he had any doctors whose diagnoses and advice he didn't like imprisoned or arrested, and everyone else was too afraid to properly diagnose him because they didn't want to meet the same fate as their peers. Stalin had no succession plan in place so there was a scramble to find a new Soviet Premier after his death.

I see Trump doing pretty much the same thing. His condition is likely worse than what is being told officially to the press, and doctors are afraid of being denied the right to provide care and treatment for him if they were up front and honest about his condition.

[Haysey_Draws]

There was a Tweet from Lindsay Ellis that pretty much summed up my thoughts

"it is telling how much trust in the media has eroded that you see “this is a scam for sympathy votes, he doesn’t have Covid” just as much as “they are hiding the severity of his condition from us.” And this is just on the *left*"

[sweeterthan]

all caps tweet tirade this morning over the last hour. i thought for sure it was him but then one tweet used parentheses.

[Erneuert]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs)

[halo eighteen]

There was a Tweet from Lindsay Ellis that pretty much summed up my thoughts

"it is telling how much trust in the media has eroded that you see “this is a scam for sympathy votes, he doesn’t have Covid” just as much as “they are hiding the severity of his condition from us.” And this is just on the *left*"
I don't distrust the media; I distrust this entire administration and what they choose to provide to the media.

[cdm]

I don't distrust the media; I distrust this entire administration and what they choose to provide to the media.

100% and the media is the reason why we found out about this as quickly as we did.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/SenatorIvy/status/1312838442884136960?s=20

hmm...

[cdm]

1313138387994509313

Doth protest too much in the middle there.

[versusreality]

she's not an essential worker.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/RawStory/status/1313121341487316993?s=20

wtaf is this bullshit.

[BRoswell]

Yes, how weak of him to NOT contract Covid...

[cdm]

1313170750405255168

Their massive hardon to push ACB through to SCOTUS victory lap is almost certainly a super-spreader event, reaching from DC to NJ to Cleveland to (possibly) Minnesota, and now California.

Edit: for those not familiar with the prayer march: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/crowds-flock-to-national-mall-for-prayer-march-our-country-is-in-trouble/2428787/ Fucking assholes.

[onthewall2983]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ejku8yTWoAA1URU?format=jpg&name=large

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/TomJChicago/status/1313139976838828032?s=20

uh, "Don Jr. being sensible" is not on my bingo card.

[paul_is_dead]

Well nothing has changed

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313186529058136070

[cdm]

There is only one fair and just outcome here...

[paul_is_dead]

https://twitter.com/TomJChicago/status/1313139976838828032?s=20

uh, "Don Jr. being sensible" is not on my bingo card.

"New York Times reported that steroids, which Trump is reportedly taking, specifically dexamethasone, are known to “affect mood, causing euphoria or a general happiness.”

> "I feel better than I did 20 years ago"

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/jeremythunder/status/1313198052237340674?s=20

I 100% forgot about this aspect of his 'health'.

[versusreality]

what a shit show.

I wish I had something that can make me feel euphoric right now.

[versusreality]

the piece of shit got back to the White House and took off the mask. insanity

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral/status/1313261909580288001?s=20

[M1ke]

Here's video of him struggling to breathe:

https://twitter.com/brenonade/status/1313256208363552769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1313256208363552769%7Ctwgr% 5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fque ry%3Dhttps3A2F2Ftwitter.com2Fbrenonade2Fstatus2F13 13256208363552769widget%3DTweet

[versusreality]

of course he filmed a video right after he returned to the white house, no mask, saying his usual propaganda shit. and that the vaccine is coming "momentarily" .

[paul_is_dead]

https://twitter.com/WelshGasDoc/status/1313263652682768384

[Magnetic]

God I hope that's painful.

Sorry/ not sorry.

[elevenism]

I honestly don't think I'm going to watch the next debates. I heard my mind audibly snap at some point last night.Did it blow up, scanners style, again?

Dude, I relate SO much to what you say about all of this. I may have already told you, but, I share your horror. You're just better at articulating it than I am.

Generally, I'm too shell shocked to make words that describe it all with any degree of eloquence, or, coherence even.

[Haysey_Draws]

Excuse my lack of medical knowledge, but i was under the assumption if you had COVID you needed to be in quarantine for at least 2 weeks? Is it normal to go back to work 4 days after getting a positive? Wouldn't he still be CONTAGOUS?!

The fuck is even happening!?

[cdm]

Excuse my lack of medical knowledge, but i was under the assumption if you had COVID you needed to be in quarantine for at least 2 weeks? Is it normal to go back to work 4 days after getting a positive? Wouldn't he still be CONTAGOUS?!

Here is the guidance from NJ:

581

[Jinsai]

Trump’s newest tweet is, seriously, downplaying COVID and warning about the upcoming flu season, not because of comorbidity concerns or general concern; it’s cuz he wants to make COVID sound like less of a big deal. This is so insane, “irresponsible” doesn’t come close to covering it. It’s not an “either /or” choice here! I’m losing it...

please don’t let this thing get re-elected... I swear, he would let 99% of the people in this country die if he thought it would help his odds.

[M1ke]

It almost seems like his argument now is "Go to work and fight covid on the front lines by catching it like a patriot, otherwise Joe Biden is going to send black people to rape you"

[allegate]

Jokes on him, you can't threaten me with a good time!

sorry, early jokes are the worst ones.

[versusreality]

he's saying he is planning to be at the debate next Thursday.

that's not 14 full days since he was diagnosed.

doesn't matter to him though.

he'll probably be at a rally by early next week.

[ickyvicky]

I'm surprised they're not doing these debates virtually.

[Jinsai]

I'm surprised they're not doing these debates virtually.

I just ASSUMED the first one would be virtual. I don't get why it needed to be in person.

[imail724]

We live in a timeline where the president of the United States gets his tweets flagged for spreading misinformation. And no one is surprised.

https://i.imgur.com/7J64pjG.png

Specifically, this is the tweet from earlier comparing Covid to the flu.

[Haysey_Draws]

Trump’s newest tweet is, seriously, downplaying COVID and warning about the upcoming flu season, not because of comorbidity concerns or general concern; it’s cuz he wants to make COVID sound like less of a big deal. This is so insane, “irresponsible” doesn’t come close to covering it. It’s not an “either /or” choice here! I’m losing it...

please don’t let this thing get re-elected... I swear, he would let 99% of the people in this country die if he thought it would help his odds.

This is exactly what i thought would happen, it didn't change him, it just gave him a reason to double down on the seriousness of the virus to his "fans" ...extremely irresponsible and dangerous. This isn't a virus you can fight by catching it.

Also seriously makes me think if he is voted out he won't go quietly...fuck.

[cdm]

...it didn't change him...

...yet.

[cdm]

1313526334577152000 (https://twitter.com/davidbegnaud/status/1313526334577152000?s=21)

MAKE AMERICA CONTAGIOUS AGAIN!

[Wretchedest]

Not the Space force Operations Manager!

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/ZendelleP/status/1313148265341345793?s=20

it does explain a lot, though.

[MrLobster]

https://twitter.com/EMPosts/status/1313553619447410688

[allegate]

I don't know why, it's not like it's not going to go back up anyway and continue to not help those who need money most.

https://twitter.com/rob_sheridan/status/1313557813625454592?s=20

[Swykk]

He’s really acting like he doesn’t need votes.

It’s almost like he is planning to keep power by pushing through a cultist from right here in Indiana to tip the SC in his favor and challenging the results/not accepting mailed in ballots/whatever the fuck he chooses to do.

[Erneuert]

and challenging the results/not accepting mailed in ballots/whatever the fuck he chooses to do.

And when has this ever occurred previously in American political history? And why aren't people telling him to go fuck himself for thinking he can do that? Even the notion of doing that? Why can't someone just stand up and say, "No, Donald, this has never happened before and never will. Why will it just because you say it will? What makes you special?"

Honestly. Why don't they just rise up and get rid of the fucker French revolution style to avoid the need for an election.

[Swykk]

@Erneuert (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=7060) Some people are afraid. Some people don’t want to take the risk—physically, mentally, legally.

Lots of people are burnt out.

Also, our government is a mess. Republicans were all too willing to be hypocrites and fall in under Trump. Most democrats are too caught up being establishment and predictably fumble when trying to hold him accountable. The old guard thinks going high when they go low is a good plan to combat Trump and it isn’t. I’ve seen more than a few on the internet chiding those who think it’s a tiny measure of karma that Trump and his closest cronies got COVID. Seriously. Biden should have had an ad ASAP about how fucking stupid Trump is, how many he’s endangered and just verbally annihilate him for 210,000 deaths.

The true progressives get totally fucked and held over the fire for getting in the mud and effectively smashing these idiotic hypocrites.

Trump’s followers are dangerous, unstable, stupid, and/or greedy. They don’t deal in logic/facts/reality. You cannot get through to them. It definitely appears that the police are largely MAGA which is another good reason to be afraid.

Oh, and don’t think for a second that Project Lincoln are allies of any sort. The only lesson the left should gather from them is their ads are exactly what Biden should be doing.

Libertarians are selfish dummies stuck at age 15 mentally. I wish they were more useless but they really do help Trump (and Republicans in general) win.

Citizens United allowed corporations to pretty much control government.

It’s...a lot. It seems unsaveable. Then there’s the group of people who “hate politics” (read also: young white people who have no understanding of how it actually does effect them) and don’t pay attention at all until they’re totally fucked.

Trump’s spent his whole life bullying and circumventing laws. Look at how much he’s gotten away with in under 4 years.

[Erneuert]

Trump’s spent his whole life bullying and circumventing laws. Look at how much he’s gotten away with in under 4 years.

Which is completely ridiculous.

[allegate]

So far tonight the president has:

Announced that he would be releasing materials detailing the scandalous backdrop to the Russia investigation.

Admitted he’d already done that months ago so nevermind.

Ended stimulus negotiations.

Agreed with a tweet saying that congress should pass more stimulus money.

Demanded that payroll supports stimulus funding be passed by Congress and wondered why they hadn’t already been working on that.

Mocked Nancy Pelosi for being too careless about catching Covid.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1313664886648582144

[richardp]

Which is completely retarded.

Not tryin' to start shit, but making a simple request you replace that word in your vocab. Not cool, man.

[allegro]

Not tryin' to start shit, but making a simple request you replace that word in your vocab. Not cool, man.

Yeah, I think Australia hasn't yet caught on to this as much, but it's really a thing, here, that we don't use that word. Nooooo bueno.

[allegro]

Citizens United allowed corporations to pretty much control government.

I agree to an extent, but this country has been a plutocracy for a very very very long time.

Citizens United was filed by Labor Unions as well as corporations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC#Background). The decision was about free speech, and the knowledge that TV advertising doesn't buy votes.

Good case in point:

2014 House Majority Leader Eric Cantor's loss to David Brat (https://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/eric-cantor-primary-election-results-virginia-107683).

Eric Cantor spent over a MILLION dollars on his campaign. Brat had less than $100,000. (https://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/eric-cantor-primary-election-results-virginia-107683)

VOTERS are the reason why this country is a plutocracy; VOTERS buy into the propaganda, when they don't have to.

Nobody is holding a gun to any voters' head when they go into that polling booth.

Most voters on the right vote for "key issues" like 2A, pro-life, SCOTUS, taxes, small government, etc.

Most voters in the center or left vote for more social issues, ethical issues, and civil liberties.

But I'd say MOST Americans don't fully understand the structure of American government, and how their state, county, and municipal governments provide the vast majority of their services, vs. the Federal, etc.

[paul_is_dead]

Really struggles at 2:54 don't you think?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313959702104023047

[allegate]

so the Lincoln people have been dogging him all morning about how he's been hiding so I wonder if this is in response to that. and you know he's going to do something tonight after the debate, good or bad.

also this made me laugh:

https://twitter.com/jeremythunder/status/1313964135537836032?s=20

[versusreality]

he's fucking horrible.

should be in quarantine.

why is he out and about? not wearing a mask? and the bullshit that he says..

I don't know why I watch.

[Erneuert]

Not tryin' to start shit, but making a simple request you replace that word in your vocab. Not cool, man.

Sorry about that, I got a little worked up.

[M1ke]

I'm not sure where this has been sourced from, but I saw it on the front page of imgur today:

https://i.imgur.com/8kijmCm.jpg

[allegro]

I'm not sure where this has been sourced from,

It’s from the civil lawsuit against Epstein and Trump that was dropped.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432.1.0_1.pdf

[Jinsai]

two doctors at Walter Reed who refused to sign NDAs in 2019 were not permitted to be part of the team involved in Trump's care.

MOST. TRANSPARENT. PRESIDENT. EVERRRRRRRRRRRR

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/NoahCRothman/status/1314230511775158273
Hmm, why would they do this? what provoked this kind of response?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1251169217531056130

oh, right.

edit:
The investigation dates to early 2020 when the FBI learned through social media that individuals were discussing the violent overthrow of several state governments and law enforcement.several? several? can we get some information about that little bit there? wtf.

[allegate]

literally the best people anywhere.

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1314267737686974464?s=20

[muad'nin]

Yeah, I think Australia hasn't yet caught on to this as much, but it's really a thing, here, that we don't use that word. Nooooo bueno.

No allegro, we definitely have caught on, cheers.

[allegro]

No allegro, we definitely have caught on, cheers.

Heh, good to know. :) It’s just him, then.

[Jinsai]

wow... so, there's a thwarted plot to kidnap and possibly murder the governor of Michigan... there's justified speculation that the militia fuckheads who planned this assault were fired up by the LIBERATE MICHIGAN! tweets from glorious POTUS... And how does Trump respond?

Somehow, even worse than expected. He doubled down on criticizing the governor, and ordered her to open up her churches.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1314377607379640320

[allegro]

The thing about her husband and his boat, that wasn't even real; he was joking. He never took his boat out at all.

This topic is also being discussed HERE (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/255-Random-General-Headlines?p=513063#post513063), so I don't know if we need a consolidation. sweeterthan?


People are referring to this tweet:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1251169217531056130?s=20

Meanwhile, the remainder of his top Tweet blames Antifa for this civil war plot when it's really these crazy militia anti-government people, whom HE incited.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1314377608470159365?s=20

https://twitter.com/DailyMail/status/1314470680847618048?s=20

The crazy thing is that the majority of these two groups are actually tied to the anti-government Boogaloo Bois, who were much like my aforementioned McVeigh / Nichols white anti-government militia (post-Waco).

https://twitter.com/justinjm1/status/1314558281260691463?s=20

See also: https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/08/whitmer-wolverine-watchmen-militia-michigan/5924617002/

[october_midnight]

https://scontent.fyyc4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/121068379_347718453239474_3782399762390372010_n.pn g?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=l1TnjcrsJDAAX-wVBFS&_nc_ht=scontent.fyyc4-1.fna&oh=ecb4a0ad1eb0e19f09a58eb8e9bbdfdc&oe=5FA7EC0F

[versusreality]

for someone who "hasn't felt better in 20 years" , he couldn't stop coughing on the phone interview on fox last night.

and yet is planning a rally tomorrow in Florida.

[october_midnight]

for someone who "hasn't felt better in 20 years" , he couldn't stop coughing on the phone interview on fox last night.

and yet is planning a rally tomorrow in Florida.

Not to mention, and I thought this was The Onion.... a live televised medical evaluation tonight. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-will-undergo-televised-medical-evaluation-on-friday-night-fox-news-announces)

The dumbest timeline.

[M1ke]

Ok, I've had enough. I quit. I cannot put up with any more of this bullshit.

I'll be back after the election, until then, y'all take care of yourselfs and go vote!

[Jinsai]

Not to mention, and I thought this was The Onion.... a live televised medical evaluation tonight. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-will-undergo-televised-medical-evaluation-on-friday-night-fox-news-announces)

The dumbest timeline.

This is so unreal... I just hate this shit so much. Please... please let this stop. The countdown to November 3rd is giving me some real anxiety, and I think I need to start taking breaks from the news entirely at scheduled intervals. It's just getting to be bad for my head; and then you hear about this sort of crazy shit and you just can't look away. It's just TOO goddamn stupid to be real.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/votevets/status/1314630778467352583

https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Y-U-No.jpg

[WorzelG]

Not to mention, and I thought this was The Onion.... a live televised medical evaluation tonight. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-will-undergo-televised-medical-evaluation-on-friday-night-fox-news-announces)

The dumbest timeline.
Please say it will be fully clothed!

[allegate]

The Emperor's New COVID, the hottest fairy tale around.

also, stolen from another place:

https://frinkiac.com/video/S04E11/zhKhbphGlvHROE5NU1vllEf3PJE=.gif

[Jinsai]

The whole “I won the second debate” part should be ringing more alarm bells. It’s one thing for him to claim he won the first debate and claim that Fox’s Chris Wallace is protecting Biden, or to say Biden “wouldn’t answer” when in reality Trump wouldn’t stop interrupting him... that’s all typical Trump spin BS.

The part where he complains about the second moderator and then says it doesn’t matter because he won the second debate? That is straight up crazy talk. He didn’t misspeak or get mired in speculation... he’s congratulating himself for kicking ass in the past tense in an event that has yet to happen. Unless Trump has a time machine, this is alarming, and we aren’t seeing it because we are so normalized to him saying craaaaaaaazy stuff, but this is different.

[BRoswell]

The Taliban on Trump: "We hope he will win the election" and withdraw U.S. troops (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/)

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/perlmutations/status/1315031019909652480?s=20

I'm with Ron on this one.

[Jinsai]

How long do you think it's going to take Trump to disavow the support of the fucking Taliban?

[allegate]

Honest question: Has he disavowed the support from anyone yet?

https://twitter.com/cesarepm/status/1315082513107185666?s=20

[Jinsai]

https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1315051333242757121/photo/1

Trump was actually thinking of leaving Walter Reed as a photo op where he pretended to be frail, and then ripped off his shirt to reveal a Superman logo t-shirt underneath.

I would say "this can't be real," but of course it probably is. Could you imagine being the fucking intern, sitting there, questioning your life decisions, when you get an emergency phone call to procure a XXL Superman t-shirt and get it to Walter Reed stat...

[versusreality]

I hate everything about him

[BRoswell]

Trump was actually thinking of leaving Walter Reed as a photo op where he pretended to be frail, and then ripped off his shirt to reveal a Superman logo t-shirt underneath.

That right there just shows you what's wrong with him as a human being. He's all image. There's nothing beneath the surface. He's at the shallow end pretending he's 20,000 leagues deep.

[allegate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hkg9bM26vc

[Erneuert]

First debate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeI3DF_3CE4 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oeI3DF_3CE4)

[sweeterthan]

happy indigenous people day! https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-columbus-day-2020/?utm_source=link&utm_medium=header&fbclid=IwAR3JVOVsTxIPVpX-n_7eYSaDqOoXGb6kjZrgRU1dc3oYCyd_OYiPA-X1wg8 it’s like he enjoys dividing people.


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[dlb]

If only he had written that himself... I highly doubt he would even use words like "hereunto"... :D

The Superman thing is also too good to be true. It honestly can't be put into words anymore what he's doing.

[Jinsai]

happy indigenous people day! https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-columbus-day-2020/?utm_source=link&utm_medium=header&fbclid=IwAR3JVOVsTxIPVpX-n_7eYSaDqOoXGb6kjZrgRU1dc3oYCyd_OYiPA-X1wg8 it’s like he enjoys dividing people.


”We must not... consent to such a bleak view of our history.”

If it’s the truth then we absolutely should, and is it worth pointing this out after the address started by framing Columbus as a perfect saint?

[sweeterthan]

”We must not... consent to such a bleak view of our history.”

If it’s the truth then we absolutely should, and is it worth pointing this out after the address started by framing Columbus as a perfect saint?

that’s what makes america great!! 1492 columbus sailed the ocean blue. see? it’s cute and it rhymes, making it sounds so much better than the truth.

[onthewall2983]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb7BIaaxGAU

[Jinsai]

Johnny Rotten has endorsed Trump and now wears MAGA merch.

So, great...

[versusreality]

Not surprised

[botley]

Johnny Rotten has endorsed Trump and now wears MAGA merch.

So, great...


Used to stand for something, forgot what that could be.

[allegate]

As the argument went on Twitter:

https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6I mh0dHBzOi8vbWVkaWEucmJsLm1zL2ltYWdlP3U9JTJGeG8xNGh nejZqbDAwMS5qcGcmaG89aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZpLnJlZGQua XQmcz01MjYmaD0zOTRiYjg2YjNiMDMyMDg5Y2JhZjFkMzM5Y2E 5MWExNzQ1ODFhMmUxZjNkYWJiOTBmMGUwMmI2MGIxNjBjNDQ3J nNpemU9OTgweCZjPTI1NzMyNTA4MzkiLCJleHBpcmVzX2F0Ijo xNjIwMTQ5NDM1fQ.0gaiVQPa1puSDiIacV07KhEg_0j6WbhRio 9asGB0s8Y/img.jpg

which came with this interesting article (https://www.popdust.com/nazi-chic-2629432175.html) that seems a large bat signal now.

[versusreality]

right, but there's a recent interview with Rotten speaking about how he really likes Trump, is voting for him, doesn't think he's a racist etc.

probably the same person he always was. again, not surprised.

[ickyvicky]

whhhaattttt

[Archive_Reports]

Wasn't he spotted in a MAGA shirt, like, two or three years ago?

[allegro]

right, but there's a recent interview with Rotten speaking about how he really likes Trump, is voting for him, doesn't think he's a racist etc.

probably the same person he always was. again, not surprised.

Malcolm McLaren created the Sex Pistols like a punk version of the Monkees; it was mostly about the fashion statement.

But punk is complicated. See this (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/10/26/why-one-punk-rocks-icons-is-sporting-maga-shirt/). Johnny Ramone was a George Bush Republican. Not all of punk was the Clash and Sandinistas.

Lydon is married to a wealthy heiress. I suspect he’s now too privileged to see reality.

[Haysey_Draws]

Malcolm McLaren created the Sex Pistols like a punk version of the Monkees; it was mostly about the fashion statement.

But punk is complicated. See this (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/10/26/why-one-punk-rocks-icons-is-sporting-maga-shirt/). Johnny Ramone was a George Bush Republican. Not all of punk was the Clash and Sandinistas.

Lydon is married to a wealthy heiress. I suspect he’s now too privileged to see reality.

Lydon kinda lost it for most brits when he started doing butter adverts and reality shows, he became less punk and more a laughing stock unfortunately, so this doesn't at all surprise me.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1316455640408129539?s=20

[richardp]

https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1316455640408129539?s=20


https://media4.giphy.com/media/r1HGFou3mUwMw/giphy.gif

[WorzelG]

So close to the election deadline this comes across as a bit of a desperate ploy to attract minority votes. Where’s $50bn going to come from in a pandemic that will probably cause a major recession? I hope this backfires and pisses off Trumps base enough not to vote for him.

strikes me if Trump really was doing this he’d have been spouting off about it during the BLM protests! But this way, it’s just a rumour and Trump can deny all knowledge but it sows seeds at just the right time

[allegro]

https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1316455640408129539?s=20

Not surprising at all, everybody saw this coming.

[Demogorgon]

Ice Cub is suuuuuuper conservative, has been for a long time.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/petersagal/status/1316804478864105473?s=20