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Jinsai
06-16-2020, 01:41 PM
No that's actually true... I forgot the age element. For a while I had incredibly shaky hands and looked into the possible causes, and yeah, in my age group none of them sounded good.

I don't know if it's good or bad to be pointing to potentially debilitating conditions when we're talking about someone we're counting on to steer the ship, more or less, and we're about to decide in a few months whether or not we still feel we can "rely on him." Personally, I of course just don't want him at all, but I think it's a fair thing to call attention to, especially when he seems to come up with medical reports that don't even say that he's overweight. I'm not diagnosing him, I'm just suggesting he should get a diagnosis.

sweeterthan
06-16-2020, 01:41 PM
i appreciate the healthy discussion happening here but i agree with Sarah. i grew up with a disabled parent who had disabled friends. that’s why my stance is to ignore his physical issues and focus on what’s really wrong with him. there’s some stat that says he’s told 18000 lies as president. he cheated to win the election. he should be removed based on his corona virus response alone. he doesn’t know how to bring people together and lead when there is racial tensions bubbling up once again. these are leadership problems. he was unelectable to me for mocking a disable person. i still can’t believe christians votes for him after that and the pussy grabber tape. i thought for sure hilary would be elected after those two events but i guess when you cheat, you don’t need a couple extra million popular votes.

Jinsai
06-16-2020, 01:56 PM
Maybe I'm taking the bait and going for the low hanging fruit, if only because drawing attention to those more problematic failures and horrifying policies, a general critique, has not really seemed to have much impact. Maybe I am going for cheap shots, and it's a fair suggestion that I rethink it. I want to find some kind of criticism that actually sticks with his constituents, but maybe that's a really fucked up mindset to approach things with. I honestly don't know.

allegro
06-16-2020, 01:56 PM
I wonder if the fact that people who hate Trump are so exhausted by Trump, and Trumpism - the hate, racism, marginalizing, lying, cheating, lack of empathy, bullying, whataboutism, etc. - that all of that is a foregone conclusion, now, and it’s all come down to nitpicking about high heels in his shoes because the guy is THE worst and he’s still there.

He’s Shitler.

allegate
06-16-2020, 06:49 PM
guys, he's officially talking to himself now.


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1272737867576590336

Jinsai
06-17-2020, 04:52 PM
So... there's this book from John Bolton that is apparently causing news. I know, it won't go anywhere and nothing is real and it doesn't matter if it happened or not because this is all bullshit and fuck this, but, I guess he alleges stuff.

Most alarmingly I guess that he was really openly negotiating w/ Chinese president Xi about helping him get re-elected. Eh... I don't see this going anywhere. Of course he did.

allegate
06-17-2020, 05:29 PM
So... there's this book from John Bolton that is apparently causing news. I know, it won't go anywhere and nothing is real and it doesn't matter if it happened or not because this is all bullshit and fuck this, but, I guess he alleges stuff.

Most alarmingly I guess that he was really openly negotiating w/ Chinese president Xi about helping him get re-elected. Eh... I don't see this going anywhere. Of course he did.

https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/1273345973322801152

theimage13
06-17-2020, 05:35 PM
^^and it doesn't even reveal that, since everyone called it last year. Just confirms it.

marodi
06-17-2020, 06:52 PM
Speaking of books, the one his niece wrote looks very interesting and is sure to make the Orange Moron seethe. Her name is Dr Mary Trump and she's a trained psychologist.

https://www.amazon.com/Too-Much-Never-Enough-Dangerous/dp/1982141468/ref=sr_1_14?dchild=1&keywords=Mary+Trump&qid=1592434002&s=books&sr=1-14

theimage13
06-17-2020, 07:55 PM
Can't wait to pirate Bolton's book so he doesn't get a goddamn penny from me.

allegro
06-17-2020, 10:09 PM
I really am intrigued by the Mary Trump book.

DVYDRNS
06-18-2020, 10:10 AM
DACA rollback has been blocked by the supreme court.

But they pretty much told trump how to get it passed if he wants to pursue it. IF he gets re elected.

allegro
06-18-2020, 11:00 AM
DACA rollback has been blocked by the supreme court.

But they pretty much told trump how to get it passed if he wants to pursue it. IF he gets re elected.

OR, Biden can fully support DACA, which was created by President Obama (not Congress, not a legislative body) because Congress kept neglecting to pass the Dream Act.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2012/06/15/remarks-president-immigration

But, yes, one more huge reason to oust Trump.


Today’s decision, here (https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/18-587_5ifl.pdf).

allegate
06-18-2020, 01:35 PM
https://twitter.com/pbump/status/1273641307978825729

https://twitter.com/MichaelCBender/status/1273642047828787203

allegate
06-18-2020, 10:50 PM
https://i.imgur.com/4T6S2Va.jpg

allegate
06-19-2020, 12:36 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1273770669214490626

any other person...literally any other person...and you'd say their account was hacked.

marodi
06-19-2020, 01:01 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1273770669214490626

any other person...literally any other person...and you'd say their account was hacked.

The Orange Deluded tweet now comes with a "manipulated media" warning.

https://twitter.com/GlennKesslerWP/status/1273774312739295234?s=20

Also: say what you want about CNN, they still know how to write "toddler"

sweeterthan
06-19-2020, 08:50 AM
people are hurting and he’s claiming to invented juneteenth and posting youtube videos about babies. just infuriating. hurry up november.

allegate
06-19-2020, 11:53 AM
ha! he hires the best people, even the ones to make shit up for him.

sick among the pure
06-19-2020, 12:10 PM
At this point I'm sure you guys have seen/heard about/discussed the newest survey but I couldn't not share this (but also that's my usual signing info for these now)
https://i.imgur.com/v4w3ced.png

theimage13
06-19-2020, 12:36 PM
Weird, I didn't get this one. I signed up after the first one made the rounds with all the "do you trust the fake news to report on me accurately" questions came out. Guess my spam account on AOL is blocking them now. Got a link for this survey?

sick among the pure
06-19-2020, 12:53 PM
Weird, I didn't get this one. I signed up after the first one made the rounds with all the "do you trust the fake news to report on me accurately" questions came out. Guess my spam account on AOL is blocking them now. Got a link for this survey?
https://forms.donaldjtrump.com/landing/maga-rally-prep-survey

It's a "prep" survey for the rally (wow, he's prepping people with this bullshit before the rally, eh?) so that could be why you didn't get it e-mailed to you. I found it through a friend finding it and sharing.

theimage13
06-19-2020, 01:15 PM
https://forms.donaldjtrump.com/landing/maga-rally-prep-survey

It's a "prep" survey for the rally (wow, he's prepping people with this bullshit before the rally, eh?) so that could be why you didn't get it e-mailed to you. I found it through a friend finding it and sharing.

Wow, that one was even more painful than most of the previous ones. Dutifully filled out and submitted.

allegro
06-19-2020, 10:37 PM
Trump forced out the director of Voice of America, installed Breitbart protege and anti-gay and anti-LGBTQ filmmaker Michael Pack who the Senate confirmed; Pack then fired everyone at Radio Free Europe, Radio Free Asia, Voice of America, etc.

So, now Trump has forcibly taken over America’s free media that is funded by multi millions in tax dollars to use as his own political microphone. And the GOP was complicit in the whole thing.

This is some scary shit.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/top-voice-america-executives-resign-controversial-trump-pick/story?id=71280723

https://twitter.com/waltshaub/status/1273633838892285952?s=20

https://twitter.com/waltshaub/status/1273220104197754881?s=20

Magnetic
06-19-2020, 10:54 PM
JFC. Just make it stop. Please.

allegro
06-19-2020, 10:59 PM
He was fired. He won’t leave.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1274157212404011009?s=20

https://twitter.com/robertjdenault/status/1274160740392452101?s=20

https://twitter.com/PreetBharara/status/1274164471821479936?s=20

Edit: WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1274181276044611584?s=21

allegro
06-19-2020, 11:34 PM
This is getting more like “The Handmaid’s Tale” every day.



EDIT: Whoa. What the fuck is happening‽

It appears that Berman knows some stuff and he ain’t leaving without a fight.

And all this shit isn’t getting buried in the news circus that Trump has created, as desired.

allegate
06-19-2020, 11:51 PM
These Friday nights have been getting increasingly preposterous for the past few years. Nothing like knowing theres nothing I can do while the country collapses around me. I'm glad I don't have children.

EDIT: Whoa. What the fuck is happening‽

I can't tell you the things I think and worry about.

GulDukat
06-20-2020, 07:54 AM
Does Trump even want a second term? (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/17/us/politics/trump-2020-election.html)

versusreality
06-20-2020, 08:38 AM
trump doesn't want a second term.

I believe he wants a life long term.

theimage13
06-20-2020, 10:31 AM
Thoughtful analysis on what appears to be Trump's attempt (again?) at a Friday Night Massacre:

https://www.facebook.com/heathercoxrichardson/posts/2318512968292756

allegate
06-20-2020, 12:15 PM
is there a non-facebook link? I don't want their cootkies.

Sarah K
06-20-2020, 12:56 PM
Lots of new filings for the Bolton case right now. Check the latest tweets from this account. Typically people upload the documents to the comments pretty fast but I have PACER access and can grab them in a couple of hours if needed.

1274378711425601537

theimage13
06-20-2020, 12:59 PM
is there a non-facebook link? I don't want their cootkies.

It's literally a Facebook post from the author, so probably not. Open in incognito / private mode?

allegro
06-20-2020, 01:35 PM
Thoughtful analysis on what appears to be Trump's attempt (again?) at a Friday Night Massacre:

https://www.facebook.com/heathercoxrichardson/posts/2318512968292756

Holy shit. Holy shit.

https://twitter.com/rbreich/status/1274383833266139138?s=21

allegro
06-20-2020, 01:36 PM
Judge denies Trump’s attempt to stop the Bolton book:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/20/politics/read-bolton-book-injunction-ruling/index.html

No big surprise. Precedent, plus over 200k copies were already out there. The horse had already left the barn.

Or, as the Order says, “that horse is not just out of the barn - it is out of the country.”

Sarah K
06-20-2020, 04:15 PM
Berman is fired again.

It's hard to even attempt to keep up with what is happening. What the fuck?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/20/nyregion/trump-geoffrey-berman-fired-sdny.html

versusreality
06-20-2020, 04:17 PM
6 Trump staffers test positive for Coronavirus hours before his first rally back
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/6-trump-campaign-members-tulsa-test-positive-coronavirus-ahead-rally-n1231647

theimage13
06-20-2020, 04:43 PM
Barr: "Berman is stepping down."
Berman: "You can't fire me, that's Trump's job."
Barr: "Master, he says you have to do it."
Trump: "FFS. Barr, tell Berman I said he's fired."

I'm actually kind of glad that the pandemic has forced so many communities to cancel Fourth of July celebrations. We don't fucking deserve one. The country is a disaster.

edit but wait...what?

https://twitter.com/hunterw/status/1274433093965877248

allegate
06-20-2020, 04:46 PM
There was a protest here that closed down the I5 bridge for a bit. I drove by a little bit before it began and there were some Proud Boys out there with "Fuck Antifa" and a weird white-and-red flag with vertical stripes instead of horizontal. Flipped them the bird as I drove by because who likes anti-anti-fascists?

Anyway, I had to look up the flag because I didn't know wtf it was. This page (http://www.loeser.us/flags/american_note_2.html) describes both it and how it's message is used by - calling a spade a spade - assholes.

theimage13
06-20-2020, 04:50 PM
And who was this author?

Heather Cox Richardson (don't even need to click on the link to see that; just have to hover over it)

theimage13
06-20-2020, 05:18 PM
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1274437618726506497

Remember, this came AFTER Barr made a SECOND firing - one where he claimed that Trump asked him to do it. For those trying to keep track of the timeline:

Friday evening: Barr tweets that Berman is out.
Friday night: Berman says "excuse me? Fuck off."
Saturday afternoon: Barr publishes a letter saying that Berman is fired again, this time claiming that it is at the president's orders.
Saturday afternoon, something like 20 minutes after this letter goes public: Trump tells reporters that he "is not involved", contradicting Barr.

theimage13
06-20-2020, 05:26 PM
Wait, so if Trump denies it, it doesn't count since it has to be at his orders? Am I understanding this fucking disaster here? Am I not?

This is the take that I've seen so far, but I'm not a lawyer and I honestly don't have a clue. It's what makes sense to me as I understand the rules. If only the President can fire him, and the President literally just told a bunch of reporters that "I have nothing to do with this" and there is no piece of paper with his signature on it, it really seems to me that it would mean Berman still hasn't received a legal dismissal. But again, just my very layperson understanding of it. It's such a mess.


I'm sorry; I got that much. I just don't know who she is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_Cox_Richardson

M1ke
06-20-2020, 05:33 PM
So, what actually happens now with Berman?

If Trump's denying firing him, and Barr can't do it without Trump's approval, then is he actually fired? What the fuck happens now?

theimage13
06-20-2020, 06:35 PM
Berman is officially out. Statement below.

“In light of Attorney General Barr’s decision to respect the normal operation of law and have Deputy U.S. Attorney Audrey Strauss become Acting U.S. Attorney, I will be leaving the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York, effective immediately. It has been the honor of a lifetime to serve as this District’s U.S. Attorney and a custodian of its proud legacy, but I could leave the District in no better hands than Audrey’s. She is the smartest, most principled, and effective lawyer with whom I have ever had the privilege of working. And I know that under her leadership, this Office’s unparalleled AUSAs, investigators, paralegals, and staff will continue to safeguard the Southern District’s enduring tradition of integrity and independence."

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/statement-geoffrey-s-berman

allegro
06-20-2020, 07:23 PM
Hm. Okay. And will senate Republicans actually toe the party line to appoint the (un)official, inexperienced, unqualified Jay Clayton? Or is this something they know they probably shouldn't dirty their hands with?

I always want to believe it'll work out...

They’re going to hold hearings. Lindsey Graham says he’s going to uphold Blue-Slip rules:

https://www.axios.com/geoffrey-berman-lindsey-graham-new-york-attorney-a388fc90-69a9-42f5-933d-3f0fe558f9d2.html

theimage13
06-20-2020, 07:30 PM
I really don't like that I have to trust Lindsey Graham to virtually single-handedly ensure that Trump doesn't magically dodge several potential future indictments.

allegro
06-20-2020, 07:34 PM
I really don't like that I have to trust Lindsey Graham to virtually single-handedly ensure that Trump doesn't magically dodge several potential future indictments.

Trump will only dodge them until he’s voted out. Because no matter who replaces Berman, Barr is still in control of the DoJ.

theimage13
06-20-2020, 07:42 PM
Trump will only dodge them until he’s voted out. Because no matter who replaces Berman, Barr is still in control of the DoJ.

I wish I had the optimism to say "until" instead of "if" re: the election. Can you bet on the election in Vegas or something? I see kind of a win-win opportunity here...either lose a bunch of cash but be happy about the future again, or hate everything but with more money in the bank.

allegro
06-20-2020, 07:45 PM
I wish I had the optimism to say "until" instead of "if" re: the election. Can you bet on the election in Vegas or something? I see kind of a win-win opportunity here...either lose a bunch of cash but be happy about the future again, or hate everything but with more money in the bank.

I think 2016 was white suburban women against Hillary.

2020 will be white suburban women against Trump, PLUS a HUGE number of Democratic voters who didn’t show up in 2016 because they thought Clinton was a certainty.

Biden out-raised Trump in May.

https://twitter.com/contentedindie/status/1274405619005624320?s=21

allegro
06-20-2020, 07:53 PM
So, I guess a shitload of KPop fans bought up a ton of tickets just to block Trumpsters from getting them, then didn’t show up. And now I have a newfound respect for KPop fans.

The outdoor “overfill” space is totally empty, so any speeches out there have been canceled.

https://twitter.com/walshfreedom/status/1274489162826231810?s=21

https://twitter.com/djjudd/status/1274484160992882688?s=21

theimage13
06-20-2020, 08:00 PM
I get that there's plenty of evidence that points to a Biden win in November. I won't argue against that. I just....these last three and a half years have been the weirdest century ever. I feel like I just can't take anything for granted or assume that anything that by all reasonable measures should happen will actually transpire. Reality feels warped, and no amount of polling or fundraising is going to make me believe in a rational outcome until I see it go down. This administration has absolutely melted my brain and destroyed any optimism I've ever held. Which, unfortunately, is probably exactly what they want.

GulDukat
06-20-2020, 08:18 PM
Flop tonight in OK. (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/pitiful-turnout-trump-mocked-for-hilariously-weak-attendance-at-tulsa-rally-held-during-coronavirus-pandemic/?fbclid=IwAR1izGBvgeT3NXeFk3c1M85rqmDfRniVfjmboSzH 6UHRkL67n5hKtU5LQIk)

Jinsai
06-20-2020, 08:30 PM
awwww, they had to cancel the "Outdoor Experience." Jesus Christ...

allegate
06-20-2020, 08:32 PM
The thing that keeps me up at night: the number of people who 'felt bad' about wanting to vote for Trump and said they weren't going to back in 2016.

Sarah K
06-20-2020, 08:37 PM
Oh god. Turned it on for like 12 seconds and already dog whistles everywhere.

He is on his "very bad hombre" shit again saying they're going to break into the house of a young woman whose husband is out of town.

"You are so lucky I'm President"

Covid has more names than any disease in history, like "Kung Flu"

:| :| :|

Jinsai
06-20-2020, 08:43 PM
it really sucks that they're using Tom Petty's music... He asked you not to do that, back when he was alive...

allegro
06-20-2020, 09:07 PM
I feel like I just can't take anything for granted
Nobody should take anything for granted. It’s up to white people to finally fix this mess.

If Shitler is re-elected, the statute will run out on most of those crimes for which he can be indicted during his second term.

I LIVE to see that fucker held without bail.

Meanwhile ...

Shitler got played by KPop teens. Delicious.

https://twitter.com/steveschmidtses/status/1274486428160811009?s=21


Edit LOL:

https://twitter.com/tamoore24/status/1274485029134110725?s=21

paul_is_dead
06-20-2020, 09:13 PM
Nice to see the arena empty.

Sarah K
06-20-2020, 09:17 PM
So, I guess a shitload of KPop fans bought up a ton of tickets just to block Trumpsters from getting them, then didn’t show up.

I love them so much. They do this every time some racist All/Blue Lives Matter shit starts trending and spam the hashtags with KPop gifs. It's hilarious.

allegro
06-20-2020, 09:33 PM
I love them so much. They do this every time some racist All/Blue Lives Matter shit starts trending and spam the hashtags with KPop gifs. It's hilarious.

Yeah!! And there’s a LOT OF THEM!!!!!!!

They are gonna be a FORCE when they’re voting age.

https://twitter.com/katarayong/status/1274499065401634816?s=21

Jinsai
06-20-2020, 09:45 PM
the crazy "double edged sword" bit about COVID testing was really bad. I know, it's Trump, nothing matters... but for him to admit "I said to my people slow the testing down!" because it looks bad... and then this "Kung Flu " comment... just... how is this reality

paul_is_dead
06-20-2020, 09:52 PM
Yeah!! And there’s a LOT OF THEM!!!!!!!

They are gonna be a FORCE when they’re voting age.

https://twitter.com/katarayong/status/1274499065401634816?s=21

Iconic hahaha

Jinsai
06-20-2020, 10:03 PM
and now they're ending it with "You Can't Always Get What You Want" by the Stones.

I'm just baffled trying to unpack that choice.

versusreality
06-20-2020, 10:20 PM
my morale is so low. I am convinced he will win again. it kills me to think that. I really really really hope I'm wrong.

allegate
06-20-2020, 10:22 PM
I posted weeks ago about how I hate to see the kpop videos in random twitter feeds because it's always random. Now I guess I stan the kpop? is that what the kids are doing?

allegro
06-20-2020, 10:23 PM
I posted weeks ago about how I hate to see the kpop videos in random twitter feeds because it's always random. Now I guess I stan the kpop? is that what the kids are doing?

Yup.


my morale is so low. I am convinced he will win again. it kills me to think that. I really really really hope I'm wrong.

That’s called “PTSD.”

Jinsai
06-20-2020, 10:24 PM
my morale is so low. I am convinced he will win again. it kills me to think that. I really really really hope I'm wrong.

Well, me too. Stay optimistic. This year has been so shitty, I get that it feels like he naturally has to get re-elected to complete this shitty awful fucked up year.

I'm not a superstitious person... but I'm throwing positivity out there into the universe or whatever. PLEASE. Don't re-elect this guy

allegro
06-20-2020, 10:27 PM
How much are tickets to a rally like that? Not that I’m not glad people did this to him, but I AM curious how much money he raised from these no-shows. Which I’m sure he’ll tell everyone in the most sour grapes way tomorrow.
The people I’m talking to on Twitter who actually GOT tickets say they were free.

The purpose of the tickets was data mining, not money.

The people who duped him were running email server software with multiple accounts and provided phony data.

NotoriousTIMP
06-20-2020, 10:35 PM
my morale is so low. I am convinced he will win again. it kills me to think that. I really really really hope I'm wrong.

fuck it, at this point America/Americans deserve dickstain....I'm so glad I plan on moving out of this country soon.

allegro
06-20-2020, 10:36 PM
and now they're ending it with "You Can't Always Get What You Want" by the Stones.

I'm just baffled trying to unpack that choice.

It’s fucking hilarious.


fuck it, at this point America/Americans deserve dickstain....I'm so glad I plan on moving out of this country soon.

Where ya goin’, TIMP?

allegro
06-20-2020, 10:55 PM
Thank you. That got a hearty “Fuck yeah!” and fist pump from me and my wife.

This was a pretty epic Spinal Tap-level disaster.

They had this whole outdoor area set up for this GIANT overflow festival thing with food and music stages and Trump and Pence were to speak on stage out there. But it was all totally empty. They were dismantling the stages and food areas before Trump even went onstage inside.

Inside, the fluffers included Eric Trump and Kimberly Guilfoyle. Eric lead the attendees in call-and-response shouting, despite that increasing Covid transmission. Kimberly mentioned Hillary Clinton, then led the crowd in the chestnut chant of “lock her up.”

When Trump finally spoke for too long, attendees were unashamedly yawning.

The COOL thing is I didn’t have to listen to any of these assholes saying anything. MSNBC was covering it all day, but not playing any audio. They just occasionally DESCRIBED the audio while showing some video, so we didn’t have to be subjected to these assholes. And we could still see the complete collapse of the clown show in real time. And a shitload of us were live-Tweeting it.

It was awesome.

American teenagers (and Zoomers): I STAN!!!!!

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRZ6zvM71pZrL6th-jcz9kp6ibiFEZRg32AqDgWzsGl6L2Zz_7XLg&s

NotoriousTIMP
06-20-2020, 10:57 PM
It’s fucking hilarious.



Where ya goin’, TIMP?

Japan! Just wrapped up my AA and now i'm heading off to get my BA in teaching, then its off to Japan to teach English!

paul_is_dead
06-20-2020, 10:58 PM
Japan! Just wrapped up my AA and now i'm heading off to get my BA in teaching, then its off to Japan to teach English!

Japan is awesome.

allegro
06-20-2020, 11:11 PM
Japan! Just wrapped up my AA and now i'm heading off to get my BA in teaching, then its off to Japan to teach English!
Omg I’m so jealous!!!!!

Good for you!! That’s awesome. What an adventure.

Jinsai
06-20-2020, 11:23 PM
This was a pretty epic Spinal Tap-level disaster.

They had this whole outdoor area set up for this GIANT overflow festival thing with food and music stages and Trump and Pence were to speak on stage out there. But it was all totally empty. They were dismantling the stages and food areas before Trump even went onstage inside.

Inside, the fluffers included Eric Trump and Kimberly Guilfoyle. Eric lead the attendees in call-and-response shouting, despite that increasing Covid transmission. Kimberly mentioned Hillary Clinton, then led the crowd in the chestnut chant of “lock her up.”

When Trump finally spoke for too long, attendees were unashamedly yawning.

The COOL thing is I didn’t have to listen to any of these assholes saying anything. MSNBC was covering it all day, but not playing any audio. They just occasionally DESCRIBED the audio while showing some video, so we didn’t have to be subjected to these assholes. And we could still see the complete collapse of the clown show in real time. And a shitload of us were live-Tweeting it.

It was awesome.

American teenagers (and Zoomers): I STAN!!!!!

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRZ6zvM71pZrL6th-jcz9kp6ibiFEZRg32AqDgWzsGl6L2Zz_7XLg&s

And they were calling it... THE OUTDOOR EXPERIENCE. Yes, it is completely Spinal Tap.

allegro
06-20-2020, 11:25 PM
And they were calling it... THE OUTDOOR EXPERIENCE. Yes, it is completely Spinal Tap.

You are witnessing the rebirth of Trump, Mark II:

https://youtu.be/JtvGR8UX1L0

GulDukat
06-20-2020, 11:38 PM
This has got to be a huge blow to Trump's ego. I'm guessing that we are headed for another crazy week, starting with some bat-shit crazy tweets starting any moment.

GulDukat
06-20-2020, 11:54 PM
https://am11.mediaite.com/med/cnt/uploads/2020/06/GettyImages-1221533264-1536x1024.jpg

Trump Campaign Cancels Plans to Address ‘Overflow Crowd’ Because Not Enough People Showed Up (https://www.mediaite.com/politics/trump-campaign-cancels-plans-to-address-overflow-crowd-because-not-enough-people-showed-up/)

Wretchedest
06-21-2020, 12:33 AM
Imagine what would happen if any other politician admitted to slowing testing if the deaths were in the *triple digits*

allegro
06-21-2020, 01:18 AM
HAHAHAHAHAAAAA omg

https://twitter.com/bj_kissinger/status/1274538465632411648?s=21

Wretchedest
06-21-2020, 02:37 AM
The insanity of it all is people talking about the fucking attendance numbers and not the line about slowing tests.

I mean, I guess that's how much we've normalised his shit. We are beyond gaslit

Sarah K
06-21-2020, 02:39 AM
Even Drudge is shitting on the klan rally.

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Wretchedest
06-21-2020, 03:02 AM
You're not wrong. And I'm guilty of it, too. After the past week, I'm more worried about state media and erased investigations than I am about the pandemic. Which is likely an incorrect priority structure. But I very nearly threw up and cried last night. I can be cautious about the pandemic—I have at least a small measure of control. I can't do shit about the rest of it and the rest of it has the potential to affect the rest of my life. As do the medical bills if I get the virus, I suppose, but again: tiny measure of control. We still disinfect the mail and don't leave the house except for groceries.

My excuse? I sort of dismissed the slowing tests line because—possibly while the rally was still going on—his administration jumped all over it, saying it was an obvious joke, and that everyone taking it seriously is humorless. And I guess I left it at that because, even if it is true (and I do believe it he or his people would order it; whether or not such a directive would be followed down the line by the people in the metaphorical trenches facing the consequences of slowed testing is another matter), I think it will absolutely be a futile argument to harp on unless it can be proven that he actually did order such a thing.

But I have to admit that even this line of reasoning is the sort of on-one's-feet rationalization and focus direction that we've all had to get good at during this administration and the problem with that kind of shit is that it is extraordinarily likely that, over a long enough timeline, one will make mistakes, dismiss something that shouldn't be dismissed, deprioritize something that should be pushed up the alert ladder, &c. Maybe I made the right call focusing on other shit, maybe not. I don't know anymore. I'm fucking exhausted.

At some point, like five years after he leaves office, I'd like to tackle the brass tacks here: Even if it was a joke, can we all agree that no president should ever make that joke in the middle of a pandemic ever again? Can we then discuss a return to at least a little bit of earnestness, civility, and candor where the office of the president is concerned?

EDIT: In rereading, I realize I never actually answered the part of your comment where you mention talking attendance numbers. That I am currently participating in because it's literally the best political news I've heard all week. I'm glad this rally "flopped." And for someone so focused on doing things bigly and numbers—someone whose administration actually began with literally the most inane fight I'd ever seen in politics (topping even "depends on what the definition of 'is' is")—it did seem worth commenting upon, though not getting long distracted by. It was my cocktail at the end of a long Saturday, so to speak.

I'm not trying to point fingers. All the conversations are going that way. Maybe his low attendance numbers are more newsworthy, less surprising than him slowing testing.

Maybe it's more fun, because we know that's how to hurt him. Twice as many Americans have died as in the Vietnam war...is that information going to change how he is held to account? No.

bobbie solo
06-21-2020, 03:04 AM
my morale is so low. I am convinced he will win again. it kills me to think that. I really really really hope I'm wrong.

I wrote this on here a while back in relation to a discussion of Warren's chances (OOF...what was I thinking? What an absolutely dreadful campaign she ran...5th in her home state! lol)

"Hillary was hated all over the country by people of all stripes. She won the popular vote nonetheless by 3 million votes, and only lost the 3 swing states she didn't campaign nearly enough in by 70-something thousand votes combined. That's it. Warren is much, much more popular...many more people absolutely hate Trump now...and MANY more people will be energized to vote against him than the record low depressed vote of 2016. As long as she actually campaigns & excites people in the swing states she needs to, she will win handily against the pig, don't worry."

Those 3 states were Michigan, Wisconsin & Pennsylvania. That's where she lost the presidency. If she did what she needed to there, she woulda won.

If you don't trust the polls in those states yet, I hear you. But know Biden is up in all of them I believe.

But here's some more info to reinforce the idea that Biden can sway those 70,000 votes back (ignoring the current situation where he is also up in some polls in other swing states like Florida, Arizona & even Georgia)...

- One is the simple notion that practically no one who voted for Hillary in 2016 will flip to Trump now. That's preposterous.
- Wisconsin is typically a relatively reliable blue state in recent history, and immediately trended back towards the Dems starting in 2018, as a Dem is now Governor & we picked up House seats. Then think about the fierce turnout & energy on the left for the recent primary during the height of Covid. Hillary was the reason for the loss in 2016, that's it.
- I think Biden has the ability to flip 70,000 votes total across three states. There's enough buyer's remorse coupled with real anger towards Trump for that to happen.
- Joe is originally from Pennsylvania. I don't see how he loses what could be described as his home state, considering that's been trending blue as well.
- we've seen impressive voter registration numbers all over the country. People are itching to make their voice heard.

I get the depressed feeling over this. But the numbers are really on our side at least until something happens to change it. Joe would have to really flub something or have a major health issue for his advantage to waiver.

You want to talk to me about the Republicans cheating to win the election? Well, that's a different story & can't pretend I'm not worried about it either, especially with how the primaries have been ran in some states.

bobbie solo
06-21-2020, 03:18 AM
Trump Campaign Cancels Plans to Address ‘Overflow Crowd’ Because Not Enough People Showed Up (https://www.mediaite.com/politics/trump-campaign-cancels-plans-to-address-overflow-crowd-because-not-enough-people-showed-up/)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKzHXelQi_A&ab_channel=CNN

Sarah K
06-21-2020, 03:31 AM
He had said that testing shit a while ago though.

My personal favorite part was the post-birth executions.

Looks like final attendance was 6,611 - just over 1/3 capacity.

allegro
06-21-2020, 05:48 AM
The insanity of it all is people talking about the fucking attendance numbers and not the line about slowing tests.

I mean, I guess that's how much we've normalised his shit. We are beyond gaslit

He’s been saying this stupid shit for MONTHS.

We ALREADY KNOW that we are not testing NEARLY ENOUGH and Shitler thinks we are testing too much because it makes him look bad. BECAUSE HE IS A MORON.

Here is from two days ago, WSJ: “Testing is overrated.” (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/18/coronavirus-trump-calls-testing-overrated-wall-street-journal-interview/3192584001/)

5 days ago (https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/trump-if-u-s-stops-coronavirus-testing-there-would-be-very-few-cases-if-any-1.8924875): If U.S. Stops Coronavirus Testing There Would Be 'Very Few Cases, if Any'

May 14 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/14/trump-coronavirus-testing-high-case-numbers-259524): “And don’t forget, we have more cases than anybody in the world. But why? Because we do more testing. When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases.”

May 7 (https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-we-make-ourselves-look-bad-through-coronavirus-testing-n1202191): “We make ourselves look bad with testing.”

March 13 (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/trump-reportedly-afraid-coronavirus-testing-could-hurt-reelection-chances): Trump afraid testing could hurt re-election chances.

Etc. etc. etc.

allegro
06-21-2020, 05:57 AM
My personal favorite part was the post-birth executions.

Yes!! I guess he repeated that shit last night?

Wtf. Classic stupid.

Sarah K
06-21-2020, 08:36 AM
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sweeterthan
06-21-2020, 08:49 AM
The insanity of it all is people talking about the fucking attendance numbers and not the line about slowing tests.

I mean, I guess that's how much we've normalised his shit. We are beyond gaslit

i’ve been thinking about who his people are that he could tell to slow the tests. is he talking about governors? who controls the tests? i don’t know if it’s him. it’s his fault we didn’t have enough tests in the beginning because of negligence. do we have enough tests now? if not, this statement is an indictment. not that the gop will do anything to him.

edit to add: on twitter there seems to be a notion that antifa blocked people from getting in or something.

https://twitter.com/amarycanokie/status/1274525984063197188?s=21


https://twitter.com/parscale/status/1274484815576907778?s=21

GulDukat
06-21-2020, 09:39 AM
6,200/19,200 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/21/turnout-at-trumps-tulsa-rally-was-just-under-6200a-fraction-of-the-venues-19200-capacity/?fbclid=IwAR3erR1Yc79Hsi4GFei9r1vlMJr_vbynm-pf1ynECSa1ESjKSq-ZfN9-3uw#5f5948e41fed)

A Gary Cherone-fronted Van Halen in 1998 was a bigger draw.

allegro
06-21-2020, 09:53 AM
6,200/19,200 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/21/turnout-at-trumps-tulsa-rally-was-just-under-6200a-fraction-of-the-venues-19200-capacity/?fbclid=IwAR3erR1Yc79Hsi4GFei9r1vlMJr_vbynm-pf1ynECSa1ESjKSq-ZfN9-3uw#5f5948e41fed)

A Gary Cherone-fronted Van Halen in 1998 was a bigger draw.

Someone on Twitter told me last night that they saw the Trans-Siberian Orchestra at that venue at Christmas and it was way more packed.

But they weren’t scammed by teenagers and nerd Boomers.

Make no mistake: There were plenty of Trumpers who could not get a ticket to that Klandig yesterday who wanted one. Because all the tickets were snapped up. By KPop teens and busy Lefty Boomers.

Erneuert
06-21-2020, 10:02 AM
God really was pissing himself laughing when he put that brain and destiny into Trump.

GulDukat
06-21-2020, 10:17 AM
Someone on Twitter told me last night that they saw the Trans-Siberian Orchestra at that venue at Christmas and it was way more packed.

But they weren’t scammed by teenagers and nerd Boomers.

Make no mistake: There were plenty of Trumpers who could not get a ticket to that Klandig yesterday who wanted one. Because all the tickets were snapped up. By KPop teens and busy Lefty Boomers.

So why not get Trump supporters waiting outside without a ticket? There were big screens there for them to watch the speech. Maybe because they weren't there?

Besides, I thought the venue was 2/3 empty because of "very bad people" keeping the Trumpers away?

theimage13
06-21-2020, 11:13 AM
I'm not saying John Bolton's book has already leaked. I'm not saying it's on Google Drives in PDF format. And I'm definitely not saying that people should go download it instead of giving money to him.

I'm absolutely not saying any of those things at all.

sweeterthan
06-21-2020, 11:14 AM
God really was pissing himself laughing when he put that brain and destiny into Trump.

trump’s election is proof that there is no god.

theimage13
06-21-2020, 11:40 AM
God really was pissing himself laughing when he put that brain and destiny into Trump.

https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/resizer/Lv34MB4fGBAelhSmsaXfZLUwYbU=/450x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/XELNLVODEVHAJPBUE5QHQTJQJM.jpg

https://twitter.com/sarahcpr/status/1268164036790759424

Does this look or sound like a man who has ever had even the tiniest bit of interaction with whatever God/gods might exist? (And I purposefully chose the tweet to cover the Bible quote in question because it makes me laugh every time.)

allegro
06-21-2020, 11:54 AM
So why not get Trump supporters waiting outside without a ticket? There were big screens there for them to watch the speech. Maybe because they weren't there?

Besides, I thought the venue was 2/3 empty because of "very bad people" keeping the Trumpers away?

You had to have a ticket to be in the “Outdoor Experience.” That was for the excess ticketed people who couldn’t fit inside the venue. Remember: Brad Parscale THOUGHT he’d sent tickets to over 900,000 rabid Trump supporters. That’s why they set up the whole Coronapalooza Experience.

The “very bad people” excuse was cooked up AFTER they found out they sent out nearly a million tickets to people who didn’t show up. They’re posting pics on Twitter of Trump fans being “forced” to go through one large gate. Oh, the humanity. They’re now saying that made people turn away and go home. Of COURSE, they’re lying. There was barely any protester presence around the Klanapalooza, the media made that clear with drone footage. It all looked like a Country Music Fest. People were peacefully filing in, no problems.

The shit between the two groups didn’t go down until AFTER the rally, that night.

Trump idiots camped out in front of the BOK for days. The snaking line inside the gates, designed to socially-distance an anticipated HUGE crowd, looked ridiculous.

They don’t want to admit - to quote Home Alone - that they were “scammed by a kindergartner.“

Jinsai
06-21-2020, 12:08 PM
I still can't get over the "I looked very handsome" comment. I mean, I get that he's THE narcissist... but does he actually look at videos of himself on TV and think to himself "god I'm so good looking, I'm like the model of good looks." It's not even about whether or not people consider him to be attractive. I would say he looks fucking weird, but the point isn't to go after someone for their personal appearance... it's that he actually looks at himself and thinks "ooooooh, you handsome devil." And then later, he's so smitten with his impression of himself, that he has to share it with a stadium full of people, all of whom, I assume he assumes, think he's some Adonis. It's just bizarre to me I guess. But here we are.

GulDukat
06-21-2020, 12:08 PM
So 900,000 tickets went out, and of those 900,000, only 6,200 actually showed up. That's even worse.

Jinsai
06-21-2020, 12:17 PM
So 900,000 tickets went out, and of those 900,000, only 6,200 actually showed up. That's even worse.

I've been going through some rough stuff lately, and the idea of how angry this is making Trump right now is actually brightening my day so much.

sweeterthan
06-21-2020, 12:21 PM
I still can't get over the "I looked very handsome" comment. I mean, I get that he's THE narcissist... but does he actually look at videos of himself on TV and think to himself "god I'm so good looking, I'm like the model of good looks." It's not even about whether or not people consider him to be attractive. I would say he looks fucking weird, but the point isn't to go after someone for their personal appearance... it's that he actually looks at himself and thinks "ooooooh, you handsome devil." And then later, he's so smitten with his impression of himself, that he has to share it with a stadium full of people, all of whom, I assume he assumes, think he's some Adonis. It's just bizarre to me I guess. But here we are.

i do think he feels like he’s good looking. his persona over the last 30 years definitely suggests that. everything is about looks for him. look at his second and third wives. it’s hardly about love and definitely about how they look. marla maples went on every damn tv show she could go on to talk about how she seduced him. he’d show up with her sometimes and just smile while she’d gush on about him. he thinks he’s a player and he’s winning because of how it all looks. that’s why he can lie so easily. it’s not about truth, it’s about how he looks.

Jinsai
06-21-2020, 12:26 PM
he did say something to that effect once... something like "it doesn't matter what the media write, as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of ass."

allegro
06-21-2020, 12:35 PM
So 900,000 tickets went out, and of those 900,000, only 6,200 actually showed up. That's even worse.

Well, yeah.

One 60-yr-old Biden supporter in OK City had SIX HUNDRED TICKETS. So you can imagine how easy it was, and will be, to pull this off.

Teen Twitter is calling this the best Senior Prank in history.

I’m in awe.

allegate
06-21-2020, 03:06 PM
https://twitter.com/asmiff/status/1274712158841065478

the world has lost its got-damn mind.

allegate
06-21-2020, 03:08 PM
I'm not saying John Bolton's book has already leaked. I'm not saying it's on Google Drives in PDF format. And I'm definitely not saying that people should go download it instead of giving money to him.

I'm absolutely not saying any of those things at all.

Book twitter broke this down: He's got his money, now he's just going to wait on royalties and that's not going to happen because this isn't a book that people will pick up and read for any reason more than 10 months from now unless it's cheap and at Goodwill. any and all sales of the book will actually help the bookseller more than him. so if you do intend to steal the book, buy two more at a local bookstore.

just saw this and laughed:

At last we have definitive proof that Donald Trump doesn’t hire people to attend his rallies

Jinsai
06-21-2020, 03:21 PM
Well, I'm not sure if the publisher doesn't deserve a little bit of a "screw you" here too... they negotiated this 2 million dollar deal with him, almost certainly knowing at the time that its contents would be worth that. They're in this to profit too, and I think it's fair to assume they were aware that Bolton was going to drop information in it that he really should present during the impeachment.

I'm not going to read Bolton's book either way, I'll just wait for a concise summary of what it says.

allegate
06-21-2020, 04:51 PM
Earthquake strikes northern Oklahoma after Tulsa Trump rally (https://www.msn.com/en-xl/northamerica/top-stories/earthquake-strikes-northern-oklahoma-after-tulsa-trump-rally/ar-BB15MI8s)

r_z
06-21-2020, 05:36 PM
https://am11.mediaite.com/med/cnt/uploads/2020/06/GettyImages-1221533264-1536x1024.jpg

Trump Campaign Cancels Plans to Address ‘Overflow Crowd’ Because Not Enough People Showed Up (https://www.mediaite.com/politics/trump-campaign-cancels-plans-to-address-overflow-crowd-because-not-enough-people-showed-up/)
Strong Smashing Pumpkins reunion tour vibes...

Jinsai
06-21-2020, 06:37 PM
sad Trump is sad about the Tulsa rally and he looks very sad, and I want you to just inject this moment straight into my veins (https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/hdbs9m/trump_looking_absolutely_miserable_on_his_way/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)

Sarah K
06-21-2020, 08:23 PM
Bro I’m fucking dead.

Ohhhhh what I wouldn’t give to be in the room when he first sees this.

1274828565385805824 (https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1274828565385805824?s=21)

marodi
06-21-2020, 08:43 PM
https://twitter.com/alfranken/status/1274759720918794241?s=20

Freaking John Tesh!

onthewall2983
06-21-2020, 08:57 PM
sad Trump is sad about the Tulsa rally and he looks very sad, and I want you to just inject this moment straight into my veins (https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/hdbs9m/trump_looking_absolutely_miserable_on_his_way/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)

Our moment of zen

Jinsai
06-21-2020, 11:52 PM
Oh, my goodness.

I'm not sure slyly sexually shaming him is the high road, buuuuut he is a sexual predator.

That's why we'll just let the Lincoln Project do it for us I guess...they're disgruntled libertarians. Ok.

allegro
06-22-2020, 12:17 AM
That's why we'll just let the Lincoln Project do it for us I guess...they're disgruntled libertarians. Ok.

They include Kellyanne Conway’s husband.

https://lincolnproject.us/

Wretchedest
06-22-2020, 02:10 AM
It's gotta be the most wicked hate sex

dlb
06-22-2020, 03:27 AM
Watched the whole thing after I almost couldn't bare it after 10 minutes already, the high pitched yelling and overall appearance in that half empty stadium... wow.

I thought it was pretty outstanding how there was zero to no substance in his whole speech. And what about that Air Force One bit? Who even thinks about that? "Thanks for saving that money Donald, you're a hero!"

But hey, way to go to open your first rally after months by defending two small moments that made you look bad and even got people concerned about your health. And the tossing of the glass? How dramatic!

Yet, what I hated the most was the fact that eventhough alot of seats were empty people still cheered their asses off when he spoke his last words. A moment that made me feel very uneasy. I was even more shocked when I jumped onto YouTube for some news coverage and saw a rising number of my own country's people actually applauding him aswell... needless to say that those people wear their tin foil hats proudly.

chuckrh
06-22-2020, 06:53 AM
I really hate to admit this. Living in Seattle, I have to admit that the CHOP autonomous is a growing disaster. There have been shootings 2 nights in a row. Details still coming out about the latest one. The first one, 2 people were shot. 1 dead, the other critical condition. The organizers wouldn't let the police in, so the fire department medics wouldn't go in without them per long standing policy. Consequently, the 2 victims were transported to the hospital by civilians. In lieu of police, armed civilians have been patrolling the zone. Trump said that if the protesters had been on the right the local governments would've been out with machine guns. Given the wacky state of Seattle politics, he's probably correct in that assessment. While I'm all for the BLM movement it has been co-opted by various other movements with the end result that the original BLM message is being diluted by issues that have nothing to do with it. The city should've never abandoned the police precinct in the area. Yes, the police needed to be reigned in some but the end result has been anarchy. It's not going to end well for anyone. I've lived here most of my life & am trying to figure out how to get out now. In general, fuck Trump but in the interest of fairness had to point out 1 of the few things where he's not off base. He's also right if you don't test the COVID numbers will be lower but that's an entirely different matter!

Erneuert
06-22-2020, 08:27 AM
Watched the whole thing after I almost couldn't bare it after 10 minutes already, the high pitched yelling and overall appearance in that half empty stadium... wow.

I thought it was pretty outstanding how there was zero to no substance in his whole speech. And what about that Air Force One bit? Who even thinks about that? "Thanks for saving that money Donald, you're a hero!"

But hey, way to go to open your first rally after months by defending two small moments that made you look bad and even got people concerned about your health. And the tossing of the glass? How dramatic!

Yet, what I hated the most was the fact that eventhough alot of seats were empty people still cheered their asses off when he spoke his last words. A moment that made me feel very uneasy. I was even more shocked when I jumped onto YouTube for some news coverage and saw a rising number of my own country's people actually applauding him aswell... needless to say that those people wear their tin foil hats proudly.

Honestly, how can people applaud someone like him and not feel like they’re insulting their own intelligence after everything he has said and done? You only need to half pay attention to him to realise what a joke it is that someone like this is in his position. I don’t get it. And we’re not talking about a small number of people here. Seriously, what is going on? Can we just get a time machine and start over from 1700 or something? I’m over it.

Archive_Reports
06-22-2020, 09:35 AM
Honestly, how can people applaud someone like him and not feel like they’re insulting their own intelligence after everything he has said and done? You only need to half pay attention to him to realise what a joke it is that someone like this is in his position. I don’t get it. And we’re not talking about a small number of people here. Seriously, what is going on? Can we just get a time machine and start over from 1700 or something? I’m over it.

That word's doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

Sarah K
06-22-2020, 12:23 PM
Another Lincoln Project ad... They're turning these around quick. Lollllll

1275042854537134080

allegate
06-22-2020, 12:28 PM
https://twitter.com/jonward11/status/1275087588773310464

You know how there were reports last week that Parscale didn't vote for Trump because they couldn't find a voter record for him in his home state? I wonder what would happen if they looked in Florida like they did for that one ex-cop we shall not name?

allegro
06-22-2020, 12:58 PM
The View this morning, hilarious. Meghan McCain “inject this into my veins” LOL. But toward the end of this clip, great point that this may well be Trump’s Jump The Shark moment, they’re bored with Trump’s reality show.

https://twitter.com/theview/status/1275087926075031552?s=21

theimage13
06-22-2020, 02:18 PM
I have to ask - and with absolutely all due respect - it seems like there's been a very sudden shift from "you guys, we can't talk about his physical health because that's disrespectful" to "lulz look at these ads about dick jokes and messy hair". I try really hard to work on being what would hopefully be considered to be a good person, and I've stated my case for why I point out basically anything and everything "wrong" with him (including lies about his own physical attributes like height, health, etc) and I've been called out for it. Has there just been a quick turnaround in attitudes towards this, or am I failing to grasp a really fine line between what's fair game and what's inappropriate? (Again, I am not trying to be antagonistic toward anyone and mean no disrespect; I really am just trying to gauge whether my own attitudes towards certain things are shittier than I realize or something.) Glad to have a group of people who are generally polite and insightful to discuss this kind of stuff with, because most political conversations with people I actually know locally are much more whiny / shout-y and utterly unproductive.

allegro
06-22-2020, 02:37 PM
I have to ask - and with absolutely all due respect - it seems like there's been a very sudden shift from "you guys, we can't talk about his physical health because that's disrespectful" to "lulz look at these ads about dick jokes and messy hair". I try really hard to work on being what would hopefully be considered to be a good person, and I've stated my case for why I point out basically anything and everything "wrong" with him (including lies about his own physical attributes like height, health, etc) and I've been called out for it. Has there just been a quick turnaround in attitudes towards this, or am I failing to grasp a really fine line between what's fair game and what's inappropriate? (Again, I am not trying to be antagonistic toward anyone and mean no disrespect; I really am just trying to gauge whether my own attitudes towards certain things are shittier than I realize or something.) Glad to have a group of people who are generally polite and insightful to discuss this kind of stuff with, because most political conversations with people I actually know locally are much more whiny / shout-y and utterly unproductive.

Poking fun at possible handicap / disability or playing armchair psychiatrist re mental health (using terms like "narcissist" or "crazy" or "bipolar" or "manic" etc.) = ableism (https://www.accessliving.org/newsroom/blog/ableism-101/).

Poking fun at anything else (dick size, clothing, inability to be President, lying, high heels, etc.) = Okay.

paul_is_dead
06-22-2020, 02:44 PM
He's gone mad today on Twitter.

allegro
06-22-2020, 02:50 PM
He's gone mad today on Twitter.

"Gone mad" = See, be careful, there (https://www.accessliving.org/newsroom/blog/ableism-101/).

paul_is_dead
06-22-2020, 03:02 PM
"Gone mad" = See, be careful, there (https://www.accessliving.org/newsroom/blog/ableism-101/).

Sorry :(

He's having a tantrum today on Twitter*

marodi
06-22-2020, 03:04 PM
I'm trying very hard to be a good person too. I'm trying to better myself everyday. I'm a believer of " when they go low, we go high".

But.

Donald Trump is a vile human being for many, many reasons. And he constantly attacks people based on their race, gender and disabilities. He clearly thinks he his superior to everyone. If he has a debilitating illness, he should just come out an admit it, especially if it's apparent, as it seems to be the case. I would not make fun of him for having such an illness. But I will laugh at his pathetic explanations attempt.

You Americans are facing the possibility that his narcissism and his overblown ego will make him refuse to step down as President should he lose the elections. He would not hesitate to put your country into an unprecedented crisis. Such a man does not deserve respect.

So I don't blame anyone who would laugh at him, even if they cross the line I would not.

allegro
06-22-2020, 03:06 PM
The blame for him being there?

AMERICAN VOTERS.

theimage13
06-22-2020, 03:49 PM
Poking fun at possible handicap / disability or playing armchair psychiatrist re mental health (using terms like "narcissist" or "crazy" or "bipolar" or "manic" etc.) = ableism (https://www.accessliving.org/newsroom/blog/ableism-101/).

Poking fun at anything else (dick size, clothing, inability to be President, lying, high heels, etc.) = Okay.

Okay, I'm mostly following you, or at least the core concept. But for something like the armchair quarterback thing...he has done a lot to make many people (including medical professionals) question his neurological health. Is it completely out of bounds to even ask about that, especially given that we know he would not be honest with us if he was diagnosed with something? I can understand if this was an honest person of integrity we were talking about - someone who we could take at their word. Or do we have to just pretend that none of these behaviors are troubling because it might be inconsiderate to talk about them?

Also, is it wrong to hold POTUS to a higher standard of physical and mental fitness than most jobs? I know that reasonable accommodations are to be made wherever possible and I 100% support that. Someone in a wheelchair shouldn't be turned down for a desk job, for example, because their mobility does not effect their ability to do their job, but you wouldn't hire them for a job that requires running, climbing, etc in a time-sensitive field). But I would be lying if I said I didn't have reservations about someone with a severe (and especially if untreated) mental health condition being in charge of country- and world-wide life or death decisions.

I feel like I would take some amount of solace in knowing about these things though - like, imagine if Trump was bipolar. And he literally came out and said "I am bipolar, I take medication for it, I speak with people about it - it does not define me, and it does not control me". How fucking empowering and encouraging would it be for bipolar people everyone if the goddamn President of the United States owned up to that? I feel like that would be an absolutely groundbreaking moment.

Also...I'm not going to lie, I feel really confused about how we can actually refer to the president's behavior if so many terms are off-limits due to ableism concerns. POTUS goes off on some conspiracy theory rant about something, an we can't even say something as seemingly innocent as "wow, he's crazy" without insulting an entire community? What can we call that behavior? Words have power. I absolutely understand that. There's a reason I don't look at his speeches and go "oh my god, that man is retarded". Even just typing it as an example made me cringe. I just can't keep track of where the etymological line is drawn between "this is an acceptable description of someone's behavior" and "this is an offensive and derogatory term". Sometimes it feels like you literally can't criticize someone for something that really deserves to be criticized. Meanwhile, it's totally socially acceptable to make fun of the size of his cock - something that could not be any less important or relevant to his ability to fulfill his oath of office.

Again, love you all. I hope this doesn't sound like me calling anyone out or something. It's just very hard to wrap my head around things sometimes. I am not the best in the world at picking up on social cues (and definitely not good at holding convos in real life).

paul_is_dead
06-22-2020, 04:12 PM
Does he actually do any work? Constantly tweeting.

Side note: I didn't read the post above my comment before posting, sorry once again :(

allegro
06-22-2020, 04:17 PM
https://twitter.com/bruno_j_navarro/status/1275146925461901312?s=21

versusreality
06-22-2020, 04:50 PM
that Kayleigh lady is horrible. defending the use of "kung flu" as not racist multiple times over, among other terrible things in today's presser.

Sarah K
06-22-2020, 04:54 PM
Why is she constantly flipping through a book at press conferences? That shit is weird and annoying.

versusreality
06-22-2020, 05:02 PM
Why is she constantly flipping through a book at press conferences? That shit is weird and annoying.

it's so annoying. she can't speak without looking up her answers first. is she in 6th grade or something?

Sarah K
06-22-2020, 05:09 PM
I know that someone in that position has a lot of lies information they have keep in order, and I know people who have a reference sheet for specific numbers, but I can't remember ever seeing someone do it to the extent she does it. It's virtually every question.

allegro
06-22-2020, 06:43 PM
I know that someone in that position has a lot of lies information they have keep in order, and I know people who have a reference sheet for specific numbers, but I can't remember ever seeing someone do it to the extent she does it. It's virtually every question.
It’s a prop.

So she doesn’t have to look at the journalists in front of her, while she’s lying and humiliating herself.

Jinsai
06-22-2020, 07:14 PM
It’s a prop.

So she doesn’t have to look at the journalists in front of her, while she’s lying and humiliating herself.

Might be part that, part reference for talking points... like when she looked up and started quoting "YOUR news organization called it the Chinese Coronavirus 23 times!" or some shit. She knows what she's going to be asked about, and there's gotta be "when they ask this, say this" lines in there for backup.

allegro
06-23-2020, 01:19 AM
The latter is what I’ve assumed; today was a pretty good example. Made me wonder what the page header was—was there a little Avery binder divider tab sheet marked “racist stuff,” or is that so broad that we’ve simply got a “Kung Flu” one?

Lol this is a really good point.

bobbie solo
06-23-2020, 03:46 AM
Another Lincoln Project ad... They're turning these around quick. Lollllll

1275042854537134080

Pathetic that the Democratic party needs a bunch of Never Trump Republicans to do their heavy lifting. These ads are going viral & actually hitting in the way they hoped. DNC/Dem leadership/some PAC made up of actual Dems (and specifically NOT Biden...his campaign should stay away from messaging like this, at least for now) should have some sort of plan that incorporates eviscerating Trump just like this using his own playbook & playing by his rules. Biden should stay above the fray bc that's part of his brand, but the rest of us shouldn't. The stakes are too high. Go for the jugular bc this piece of shit needs to go. Republicans don't f around with their messaging & ads...and we got feckless Schumer & Pelosi playing paddycakes.

allegro
06-23-2020, 03:59 AM
https://twitter.com/semperdiced/status/1274729331659386883?s=21

https://twitter.com/billkristol/status/1275033835152068609?s=21

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1275085492867026945?s=21

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1275151593130909699?s=21

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1275023295755190272?s=21

M1ke
06-23-2020, 06:50 AM
The point about poll numbers not being a cause for relief is absolutely valid.

Every poll leading up to the 2016 election showed a huge lead for Hillary and very little chance of Trump winning. I remember sitting down to watch what I expected to be Trump losing in a landslide and quickly losing my mind in horror as the exact opposite of that happened.

I won't be breathing any easier until he's gone.

Kodiak33
06-23-2020, 09:02 AM
it's so annoying. she can't speak without looking up her answers first. is she in 6th grade or something?

It's a reference sheet for talking points and lies.

allegro
06-23-2020, 10:10 AM
https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1275410546666463232?s=21

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1275381670561095682?s=21

https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1275393117571690496?s=21

allegro
06-23-2020, 10:16 AM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1275214316384501760?s=21

https://twitter.com/glennkirschner2/status/1275427387438764034?s=21

https://twitter.com/joycewhitevance/status/1275388540038283267?s=21

allegate
06-23-2020, 02:24 PM
https://twitter.com/petersagal/status/1275480306154340352

that is, uh, very similar to the tests I took a few months ago for my memory loss issues. Granted it's a much more condensed test as well considering what I did took several hours and it was a lot more detailed, but the word repetition and the number recall were the two that tripped me up the most.

and it's for, uh, Parkinson's?

Sarah K
06-23-2020, 03:46 PM
1275506455005757444

https://media.tenor.com/images/5e2a406114f6c57cc26f285ecc3d6281/tenor.gif

Magnetic
06-23-2020, 06:20 PM
This Republican group is separate from the Lincoln Project
https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-republican-former-u-national-155146283.html

allegro
06-23-2020, 09:08 PM
This Republican group is separate from the Lincoln Project
https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-republican-former-u-national-155146283.html

That’s a BUNCH of high-profile Republicans voting for Biden. Wow. Just because Trump is so repugnant.

Sarah K
06-23-2020, 11:24 PM
Well damn.

1275624346359263234

october_midnight
06-24-2020, 12:07 PM
I mean..... holy shit.

https://twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/status/1275777306041016320

allegro
06-24-2020, 03:46 PM
https://twitter.com/kristenclarkejd/status/1275840232370339840?s=21

allegate
06-24-2020, 04:13 PM
Question from the cheap seats: How is it that there were so many vacancies to be filled?

allegro
06-27-2020, 12:28 AM
Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/politics/russia-afghanistan-bounties.html)
The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment.


WASHINGTON — American intelligence officials have concluded that a Russian military intelligence unit secretly offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for killing coalition forces in Afghanistan — including targeting American troops — amid the peace talks to end the long-running war there, according to officials briefed on the matter.

The United States concluded months ago that the Russian unit, which has been linked to assassination attempts and other covert operations in Europe intended to destabilize the West or take revenge on turncoats, had covertly offered rewards for successful attacks last year.

Islamist militants, or armed criminal elements closely associated with them, are believed to have collected some bounty money, the officials said. Twenty Americans were killed in combat in Afghanistan in 2019, but it was not clear which killings were under suspicion.

The intelligence finding was briefed to President Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March, the officials said. Officials developed a menu of potential options — starting with making a diplomatic complaint to Moscow and a demand that it stop, along with an escalating series of sanctions and other possible responses, but the White House has yet to authorize any step, the officials said.

An operation to incentivize the killing of American and other NATO troops would be a significant and provocative escalation of what American and Afghan officials have said is Russian support for the Taliban, and it would be the first time the Russian spy unit was known to have orchestrated attacks on Western troops.

Any involvement with the Taliban that resulted in the deaths of American troops would also be a huge escalation of Russia’s so-called hybrid war against the United States, a strategy of destabilizing adversaries through a combination of such tactics as cyberattacks, the spread of fake news and covert and deniable military operations.

The Kremlin had not been made aware of the accusations, said Dmitry Peskov, the press secretary for President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia. “If someone makes them, we’ll respond,” Mr. Peskov said. A Taliban spokesman did not respond to messages seeking comment.

Spokespeople at the National Security Council, the Pentagon, the State Department and the C.I.A. declined to comment.

The officials familiar with the intelligence did not explain the White House delay in deciding how to respond to the intelligence about Russia.

While some of his closest advisers, like Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, have counseled more hawkish policies toward Russia, Mr. Trump has adopted an accommodating stance toward Moscow.

At a summit in 2018 in Helsinki, Finland, Mr. Trump strongly suggested that he believed Mr. Putin’s denial that the Kremlin interfered in the 2016 presidential election, despite broad agreement within the American intelligence establishment that it did. Mr. Trump criticized a bill imposing sanctions on Russia when he signed it into law after Congress passed it by veto-proof majorities. And he has repeatedly made statements that undermined the NATO alliance as a bulwark against Russian aggression in Europe.

The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the delicate intelligence and internal deliberations. They said the intelligence had been treated as a closely held secret, but the administration expanded briefings about it this week — including sharing information about it with the British government, whose forces are among those said to have been targeted.

The intelligence assessment is said to be based at least in part on interrogations of captured Afghan militants and criminals. The officials did not describe the mechanics of the Russian operation, such as how targets were picked or how money changed hands. It is also not clear whether Russian operatives had deployed inside Afghanistan or met with their Taliban counterparts elsewhere.

The revelations came into focus inside the Trump administration at a delicate and distracted time. Although officials collected the intelligence earlier in the year, the interagency meeting at the White House took place as the coronavirus pandemic was becoming a crisis and parts of the country were shutting down.

Moreover, as Mr. Trump seeks re-election in November, he wants to strike a peace deal with the Taliban to end the Afghanistan war.

Both American and Afghan officials have previously accused Russia of providing small arms and other support to the Taliban that amounts to destabilizing activity, although Russian government officials have dismissed such claims as “idle gossip” and baseless.

“We share some interests with Russia in Afghanistan, and clearly they’re acting to undermine our interests as well,” Gen. John W. Nicholson Jr., the commander of American forces in Afghanistan at the time, said in a 2018 interview with the BBC.

Though coalition troops suffered a spate of combat casualties last summer and early fall, only a few have since been killed. Four Americans were killed in combat in early 2020, but the Taliban have not attacked American positions since a February agreement.

American troops have also sharply reduced their movement outside military bases because of the coronavirus, reducing their exposure to attack.

While officials were said to be confident about the intelligence that Russian operatives offered and paid bounties to Afghan militants for killing Americans, they have greater uncertainty about how high in the Russian government the covert operation was authorized and what its aim may be.

Some officials have theorized that the Russians may be seeking revenge on NATO forces for a 2018 battle in Syria in which the American military killed several hundred pro-Syrian forces, including numerous Russian mercenaries, as they advanced on an American outpost. Officials have also suggested that the Russians may have been trying to derail peace talks to keep the United States bogged down in Afghanistan. But the motivation remains murky.

The officials briefed on the matter said the government had assessed the operation to be the handiwork of Unit 29155, an arm of Russia’s military intelligence agency, known widely as the G.R.U. The unit is linked to the March 2018 nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury, England, of Sergei Skripal, a former G.R.U. officer who had worked for British intelligence and then defected, and his daughter.

Western intelligence officials say the unit, which has operated for more than a decade, has been charged by the Kremlin with carrying out a campaign to destabilize the West through subversion, sabotage and assassination. In addition to the 2018 poisoning, the unit was behind an attempted coup in Montenegro in 2016 and the poisoning of an arms manufacturer in Bulgaria a year earlier.

American intelligence officials say the G.R.U. was at the center of Moscow’s covert efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. In the months before that election, American officials say, two G.R.U. cyberunits, known as 26165 and 74455, hacked into Democratic Party servers and then used WikiLeaks to publish embarrassing internal communications.

In part because those efforts were aimed at helping tilt the election in Mr. Trump’s favor, his handling of issues related to Russia and Mr. Putin has come under particular scrutiny. The special counsel investigation found that the Trump campaign welcomed Russia’s intervention and expected to benefit from it, but found insufficient evidence to establish that his associates had engaged in any criminal conspiracy with Moscow.

Operations involving Unit 29155 tend to be much more violent than those involving the cyberunits. Its officers are often decorated military veterans with years of service, in some cases dating to the Soviet Union’s failed war in Afghanistan in the 1980s. Never before has the unit been accused of orchestrating attacks on Western soldiers, but officials briefed on its operations say it has been active in Afghanistan for many years.

Though Russia declared the Taliban a terrorist organization in 2003, relations between them have been warming in recent years. Taliban officials have traveled to Moscow for peace talks with other prominent Afghans, including the former president, Hamid Karzai. The talks have excluded representatives from the current Afghan government as well as anyone from the United States, and at times they have seemed to work at crosscurrents with American efforts to bring an end to the conflict.

The disclosure comes at a time when Mr. Trump has said he would invite Mr. Putin to an expanded meeting of the Group of 7 nations, but tensions between American and Russian militaries are running high.

In several recent episodes, in international territory and airspace from off the coast of Alaska to the Black and Mediterranean Seas, combat planes from each country have scrambled to intercept military aircraft from the other.

Jinsai
06-28-2020, 12:13 PM
so, Trump actually re-tweeted a video where a Trump supporter yells out "white power"

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/28/884392576/trump-retweets-video-of-apparent-supporter-saying-white-power

chuckrh
06-28-2020, 12:36 PM
Just watched Pence on Face the Nation. The word dullard comes to mind. He's as stupid as Trump just in a slightly different way.

GulDukat
06-28-2020, 01:20 PM
so, Trump actually re-tweeted a video where a Trump supporter yells out "white power"

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/28/884392576/trump-retweets-video-of-apparent-supporter-saying-white-power

That's quite a video. I really don't understand why Trump would re-tweet that as people are heard saying "fuck Trump."

"fuck Trump"
"fuck Trump"

"Nasty language"

"Listen to your president if you want nasty language, idiot!" was the best part .

Those anti-Trump hecklers are pretty awesome.

chuckrh
06-28-2020, 01:30 PM
The warped genius of Sacha Baron Cohen:

https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/06/sacha-baron-cohen-far-right-rally/

Jinsai
06-28-2020, 01:47 PM
That's quite a video. I really don't understand why Trump would re-tweet that as people are heard saying "fuck Trump."

I don't think he actually listened to the audio... he probably just saw a video of a bunch of Trump dickheads rolling around waving in golf carts and thought "yay, my people!" What's amazing is that it actually sat undeleted for 3 or 4 hours. There's people out there who suggest that he actually meant to share a video with his supporters gleefully shouting out "white power," but I think that's far-fetched. He's just incredibly stupid and lazy.

GulDukat
06-28-2020, 01:54 PM
I don't think he actually listened to the audio... he probably just saw a video of a bunch of Trump dickheads rolling around waving in golf carts and thought "yay, my people!" What's amazing is that it actually sat undeleted for 3 or 4 hours. There's people out there who suggest that he actually meant to share a video with his supporters gleefully shouting out "white power," but I think that's far-fetched. He's just incredibly stupid and lazy.Yeah, nothing in that video shows Trump or his supporters in a positive light.

allegro
06-28-2020, 04:09 PM
so, Trump actually re-tweeted a video where a Trump supporter yells out "white power"

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/28/884392576/trump-retweets-video-of-apparent-supporter-saying-white-power
This is hilarious!! I’ve watched it five times! Those Villages seniors are feisty!!

The guy who shouts “That’s right! white power” is in response to some guy yelling “WHERE’S YOUR WHITE HOOD?!” The lady next to him is yelling “NAZIS!” at them. That neighborhood must be intense.

versusreality
06-28-2020, 05:21 PM
that retweet is getting a lot of traction all over the news.

probably the most blantly racist thing he retweeted, even if it was "indirect" .

Jinsai
06-28-2020, 05:25 PM
problem is that it's so absurdly over the top that he COULD NOT HAVE actually meant to do it... the damaging part is that he was stupid enough to, not that he actually meant to tweet "white power." Still, that doesn't control how this plays out, and maybe he should eat a little bit of his own misinformation medicine.

versusreality
06-28-2020, 07:01 PM
I wonder if that "white power" old dude will be voting for Biden, considering Trump is orange.

Jinsai
06-28-2020, 07:34 PM
I’m actually pretty shocked he hasn’t been doxxed yet. Unless I just missed it.

He will be... and the end truth is that he's an old man living in a senior living facility. We should probably just. let. it. go.

allegro
06-28-2020, 11:20 PM
He will be... and the end truth is that he's an old man living in a senior living facility. We should probably just. let. it. go.

That’s not a senior living facility! LOL, that’s The Villages! (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Villages,_Florida)

Land of Retiree STDs (https://www.villages-news.com/2019/05/04/villages-101-whats-the-truth-behind-urban-legend-of-stds-in-the-villages/)! LOL.

cahernandez
06-29-2020, 09:15 AM
so, Trump actually re-tweeted a video where a Trump supporter yells out "white power"

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/28/884392576/trump-retweets-video-of-apparent-supporter-saying-white-power

I was watching this video, thinking "how can a country become so polarized?". At the end of the day these are just two groups of people, both of which want happiness, health and well being, and meaning. How do you get two groups of people to shout at each other like this? The video reminded me of the hominid battle scene of Space Odyssey.

versusreality
06-29-2020, 09:22 AM
this country has been polarized since people wanted to remain under England vs. breaking free. many colonists wanted to remain under the King. polarization is nothing new. the topics of the polarization change. I wish it would end. but not in my lifetime.

allegro
06-29-2020, 10:05 AM
https://twitter.com/resistersis20/status/1277412367975043075?s=21

cahernandez
06-29-2020, 10:25 AM
this country has been polarized since people wanted to remain under England vs. breaking free. many colonists wanted to remain under the King. polarization is nothing new. the topics of the polarization change. I wish it would end. but not in my lifetime.

I obviously side with the "anti-White Power" group, but I also think that such polarization won't help to reach an agreement. Which compromises should be made (if any)? Compromises in the fight against racism should not be made, BUT there are other things that these pro-Trumpers support...Sad to see such polarization not only in the US, but in other countries as well (Brazil, Mexico)

allegate
06-29-2020, 02:54 PM
https://twitter.com/CBR/status/1277671571356860417

well at least someone did.

allegate
06-29-2020, 04:10 PM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1277596463355305984

that's an interesting development.

Wretchedest
06-30-2020, 01:16 AM
I can't imagine a presidency surviving any one of these things, and yet here they are all at once. Teflon Don earned his name, for sure

allegro
06-30-2020, 02:18 AM
https://twitter.com/therickwilson/status/1277825710841790464?s=21

versusreality
06-30-2020, 06:45 AM
https://twitter.com/therickwilson/status/1277825710841790464?s=21

sadly, I don't expect much to come of this.

Kodiak33
06-30-2020, 09:26 AM
sadly, I don't expect much to come of this.

Is this in relation to what Rick was talking about a week or so ago?

versusreality
06-30-2020, 09:50 AM
I don't even know. I think Rick might have been referring to the Russian intel. Even if true (and it most likely is but that's just me speculating) , I doubt there will be any actions taken against Trump, or that he will resign or anything of that nature. It'll just piss him off more and he'll act even more erratic. Which is hard to think about.

allegro
06-30-2020, 10:12 AM
Is this in relation to what Rick was talking about a week or so ago?

No, SCOTUS decision due this morning about Trump tax returns. Edit: Ugh, delayed yet again.

PLUS now new intel showing that Bolton told Trump about Russia paying the Taliban a bounty to kill American troops in Afghanistan.

october_midnight
06-30-2020, 02:18 PM
Man, shit is getting savage.

https://twitter.com/HoarseWisperer/status/1278029092948856833

allegro
06-30-2020, 03:28 PM
https://twitter.com/Stop_Trump20/status/1277768236956889088?s=20

october_midnight
07-03-2020, 10:40 AM
https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1279054020091527168

It's officially the 365th day this pile of mango flavored human waste has been on his golf properties in his 3.5yrs in office. A whole fuckin' year!

Jinsai
07-03-2020, 11:59 AM
I'll never get the golf thing. I've gone to a putting range and I guess I understand it.... just WHY. What is it about THIS sport that all the presidents have to play it? It sucks, it's boring... and yet it's like the "president's sport." I can understand diplomatic cheery matches and shit, but why did Obama need to fucking golf so much? Same with Clinton. They all golf. Bush Jr was the goofiest person ever, and apparently could golf. Fuck golf.

richardp
07-03-2020, 12:52 PM
I'll never get the golf thing. I've gone to a putting range and I guess I understand it.... just WHY. What is it about THIS sport that all the presidents have to play it? It sucks, it's boring... and yet it's like the "president's sport." I can understand diplomatic cheery matches and shit, but why did Obama need to fucking golf so much? Same with Clinton. They all golf. Bush Jr was the goofiest person ever, and apparently could golf. Fuck golf.

Because it's isolated and they can make under the table deals on the greens without any interference.

Jinsai
07-03-2020, 01:25 PM
Because it's isolated and they can make under the table deals on the greens without any interference.

Y'know I originally assumed that... but if that's the case, can't we have a track record of everyone Trump is golfing with? I mean, if that's the cover, surely it's kinda easy to see who he's playing against. Unless he's just playing by himself...

And then, isn't that kind of a horrible cover for a deal? I mean, unless the golf thing is just a front

richardp
07-03-2020, 02:19 PM
Y'know I originally assumed that... but if that's the case, can't we have a track record of everyone Trump is golfing with? I mean, if that's the cover, surely it's kinda easy to see who he's playing against. Unless he's just playing by himself...

And then, isn't that kind of a horrible cover for a deal? I mean, unless the golf thing is just a front

I actually quite enjoy the idea of Trump just out there put putting around entirely by himself muttering to himself about how great he is.

sweeterthan
07-03-2020, 02:21 PM
https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1279054020091527168

It's officially the 365th day this pile of mango flavored human waste has been on his golf properties in his 3.5yrs in office. A whole fuckin' year!

by the time he’s voted out in november (please fsm) he’ll have spent a quarter of his presidency golfing. just terrible. i think golfing during the pandemic is an especially bad look for him. maddow was saying last night, we’re running out of ppe again. so cases are spreading like wildfire and our front line healthcare workers don’t have the equipment they need and king trump must golf.


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Jinsai
07-03-2020, 04:53 PM
I actually quite enjoy the idea of Trump just out there put putting around entirely by himself muttering to himself about how great he is.

I really wouldn't be surprised. On impulse, I bought the audio book about how he cheats at golf. Putting it on in the background is giving me some relief, even if I don't understand 90% of the golf terms they keep talking about. Like "if he said par 4 on a six ten green with a handicap, my GOD!! That's madness! Nobody would believe it! Why would he lie like that?"

I guess I just have to take the author's word

versusreality
07-03-2020, 07:15 PM
this scares me because I can see this happening:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-2020-us-election-third-term-tim-wirth-white-house-a9600486.html

Demogorgon
07-03-2020, 07:18 PM
I really wouldn't be surprised. On impulse, I bought the audio book about how he cheats at golf. Putting it on in the background is giving me some relief, even if I don't understand 90% of the golf terms they keep talking about. Like "if he said par 4 on a six ten green with a handicap, my GOD!! That's madness! Nobody would believe it! Why would he lie like that?"

I guess I just have to take the author's word


Cheating at golf is like the laziest, most pointless form of cheating there is, because honestly, nobody gives a shit. It impresses no one. Even the tall tale fishing stories (it was THIS BIG, no, honest!) are less intellectually dishonest, and that's saying something.

Swykk
07-03-2020, 07:50 PM
this scares me because I can see this happening:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-2020-us-election-third-term-tim-wirth-white-house-a9600486.html

Terrifying.

And obviously, I agree with you. Nothing is too far for him to try.

Jinsai
07-03-2020, 08:23 PM
Terrifying.

And obviously, I agree with you. Nothing is too far for him to try.

Part of the equation not being considered here is that if Trump loses the election and starts this shit, there will be protests like you've NEVER seen.

richardp
07-03-2020, 08:27 PM
Part of the equation not being considered here is that if Trump loses the election and starts this shit, there will be protests like you've NEVER seen.

Agreed. The entire nation will essentially go on strike. Think the Floyd protests were major? Just wait until Trump wins again.

versusreality
07-03-2020, 09:14 PM
I agree, the country will be protesting and the most divided it's ever been (even worse than now)

..but then what? He'll still be president for a second term.

I'll even go as far as saying if he wins again, I may want to move out of the country. I never thought I'd say that but..

M1ke
07-03-2020, 09:55 PM
He already used the military to clear a path for a photo op. That was probably just a test to see if they'd be on his side if he pulled such crap with the election and told the military to go out and stop the protesters by force.

Jinsai
07-03-2020, 10:52 PM
He won't be re-elected, and if he pulls some stupid shit they'll just cuff him and drag him out. These Q Anon fantasies are some silly fucking mindfarts from deranged people who suck. If Trump loses he's gone, and Bill Maher can shut the fuck about it too. We'll cross that bridge when we need to, and it'll be fun if it goes there, but it won't.

Jinsai
07-04-2020, 11:08 PM
Kanye West announces he's running for president and Elon Musk endorses him.

FUCK. THIS. YEAR.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/04/kanye-west-announces-2020-presidential-run-bid-elon-musk/?fbclid=IwAR2DlBMwxjXaFjaJvUe1N_XVPYVEVfsJax2t8aTm-CdHwmNXSCKVr5lwQVg

versusreality
07-05-2020, 05:17 AM
guess he wasn't happy with his friend Trump

M1ke
07-05-2020, 08:13 AM
Kanye West announces he's running for president and Elon Musk endorses him.

FUCK. THIS. YEAR.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/04/kanye-west-announces-2020-presidential-run-bid-elon-musk/?fbclid=IwAR2DlBMwxjXaFjaJvUe1N_XVPYVEVfsJax2t8aTm-CdHwmNXSCKVr5lwQVg

I'm pretty sure he's run before and it never goes anywhere. Or at least he's talked about it.

This isn't the first time I've heard something along these lines anyways, but maybe I'm mis-remembering.

versusreality
07-05-2020, 11:04 AM
an album is due out in nov by kanye. publicity stunt.

chuckrh
07-05-2020, 01:52 PM
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uSakgKDVfi8/XwISDofxMCI/AAAAAAAAGUM/vpdM0HA4pLUgCvhk63EE8tmfd8pRdRrawCK8BGAsYHg/s0/2020-07-05.jpg

sweeterthan
07-05-2020, 02:33 PM
guess he wasn't happy with his friend Trump

he’s doing this to help trump get re-elected. it’s definitely a ploy to take black votes from biden.

allegate
07-05-2020, 03:39 PM
Kanye West announces he's running for president and Elon Musk endorses him.

FUCK. THIS. YEAR.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/04/kanye-west-announces-2020-presidential-run-bid-elon-musk/?fbclid=IwAR2DlBMwxjXaFjaJvUe1N_XVPYVEVfsJax2t8aTm-CdHwmNXSCKVr5lwQVg

https://twitter.com/adamfelber/status/1279838012197617667

versusreality
07-05-2020, 03:54 PM
he’s doing this to help trump get re-elected. it’s definitely a ploy to take black votes from biden.

hah. the majority of black people aren't going to vote for kanye, especially considering his ties to Trump.

all I know is that, one way or another, we will be crying in November. Tears of joy...or....

Jinsai
07-05-2020, 06:03 PM
There were a lot of people who didn't really wanna admit it, but after a few drinks they'd admit "c'mon, it'd be craaaaaaaazy if Trump became president! Think of how insane that'd be!"

Kanye, if his name is actually on the ballot, will definitely appeal to that sort of voter.

ltrandazzo
07-05-2020, 07:43 PM
Kanye can't appear on at least ten state ballots as an independent. Non-starter. Album publicity.

Kodiak33
07-05-2020, 08:23 PM
Did you see the Flynn tweet about taking the Oath? Qanon shit, absolutely nuts.

allegate
07-05-2020, 08:27 PM
100% nuts.

allegro
07-05-2020, 09:03 PM
Not “nuts.”

100% reality.

versusreality
07-05-2020, 09:52 PM
related, but I'm reading V for Vendetta for the first time. Even though this book is from the early 80's, this made me cringe at how relevant it is today to the orange idiot.

In one panel, the "leader" of England says he wants to add more police to the streets, and looters are to be shot. Two panels later are the lines "I believe in law and order" . Jesus. We're living in a damn graphic novel.

This country is fucked. He needs to get out of office.

richardp
07-06-2020, 08:38 PM
Kanye can't appear on at least ten state ballots as an independent. Non-starter. Album publicity.

Yep hasn't even filed the paperwork. Dude's an idiot.

onthewall2983
07-06-2020, 08:41 PM
Forgive me if this sounds stupid but what about write-in ballots?

Wretchedest
07-06-2020, 11:12 PM
I have developed a recent strategy in political debates where I encourage trump supporters identifying as libertarian to vote for the libertarian candidate. She totally has a chance this year ;)

chuckrh
07-06-2020, 11:31 PM
I think there is a pretty good chance that Trump is going to say fuck all & drop out of the race. His ego won't take losing by the largest margin ever if we're lucky. That being said, if that happened what do the Republicans do? Do the run Pence even though he's dumb as a rock or do they draft, say Mitt Romney. I'm no fan but he would likely give Biden at least a contest. That way the status quo is maintained. We better hope for Biden if for nothing else than the Supreme Court ramifications. Some of the those liberal leaning justices are getting mighty old. We're lucky John Roberts found at least part of his soul & has at least a bit of integrity.

versusreality
07-07-2020, 05:38 AM
he's not dropping out.

at this time in 2004, Bush had similar numbers in the polls during his re-election term. and he won.

we have a longgggg way to go.

hellospaceboy
07-07-2020, 07:58 AM
I think there is a pretty good chance that Trump is going to say fuck all & drop out of the race. His ego won't take losing by the largest margin ever if we're lucky.

I doubt it, since he didn't drop out in 2016 and he was just as surprised as anyone that he didn't lose by the largest margin in US history. He will ride this all the way.

allegro
07-07-2020, 12:26 PM
Okay, so armed BLM people are joining up with armed Boogaloo Boys in open carry states to protest police brutality and the government.

A lot of Boogaloo Boys are ex-military (they wear Hawaiian shirts).

This was in Louisiana. Weird ass alliances are forming.

https://twitter.com/fordfischer/status/1279500089413828608?s=21


See also:

https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1280526250931621890?s=21

allegro
07-07-2020, 12:31 PM
Here’s a good piece on NAAGA:

https://twitter.com/vicenews/status/1274124078677401601?s=21

Jinsai
07-07-2020, 12:42 PM
I have developed a recent strategy in political debates where I encourage trump supporters identifying as libertarian to vote for the libertarian candidate. She totally has a chance this year ;)

For some reason they're positing it as though it's going to siphon votes away from Biden though, with this #JoNotJoe tag.
It's weird... maybe it's just reverse psychology folding over

Wretchedest
07-07-2020, 01:02 PM
For some reason they're positing it as though it's going to siphon votes away from Biden though, with this #JoNotJoe tag.
It's weird... maybe it's just reverse psychology folding over

I think there's a less aware vein of the left without a concept of the libertarian party that could think this way, but exposing libertarians as ultra conservative is pretty simple

marodi
07-07-2020, 04:40 PM
CNN got their grabby hands on a copy of Mary Trump' book and holy shit. She says, amongst other things, that he paid another student to take his SAT in his place. Because of course he did, he's a fucking moron!


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/mary-trump-book-donald-trump/index.html

I so need that book!

sweeterthan
07-08-2020, 01:02 PM
maddow read the entire book yesterday and then shared excerpts on her show. spoiler alert: trump is a liar.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

allegate
07-08-2020, 01:14 PM
how I imagine her reading it:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/6e8b479a2c76dbe51c6f92c81d9e9f8f/tenor.gif?itemid=5004493

Jinsai
07-09-2020, 04:44 AM
so about this SCOTUS ruling regarding birth control... am I just profoundly missing something? Why do people have a religious objection to birth control? Isn't the big problem abortion?

Please tell me I'm not being incredibly stupid, or that I've been misunderstanding something profoundly. We are talking about the stuff that prevents abortion from being an issue right? The thing that stops pregnancy from happening? Because... Please tell me I'm not crazy, but shouldn't religious people WANT everyone who doesn't want a baby to use birth control?!

M1ke
07-09-2020, 06:50 AM
so about this SCOTUS ruling regarding birth control... am I just profoundly missing something? Why do people have a religious objection to birth control? Isn't the big problem abortion?

Please tell me I'm not being incredibly stupid, or that I've been misunderstanding something profoundly. We are talking about the stuff that prevents abortion from being an issue right? The thing that stops pregnancy from happening? Because... Please tell me I'm not crazy, but shouldn't religious people WANT everyone who doesn't want a baby to use birth control?!

The religious right wants women to stay virgins until they're married.

It's not about reproduction (even the abortion debate), it never has been. It's always been about controlling women's sexuality.

sweeterthan
07-09-2020, 08:35 AM
it’s pretty stupid since birth control is really hormone control. the idea that any employer thinks they’re paying for birth control as opposed to health care is selfish. do they want pregnant employees? birth control is way less expensive than prenatal care and hospital birth. also, if health benefits weren’t tied to employment, this wouldn’t be an issue. everything is fucked. thanks for coming to my ted talk.

eta: reproductive care is healthcare.

Archive_Reports
07-09-2020, 09:19 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1281206354334625793

Hang this in the virtual Louvre. He's also tweeting about presidential harassment. Hard to say if he got wind of the SCOTUS ruling about his taxes or if he's just off and running this morning.

Jon
07-09-2020, 10:00 AM
so about this SCOTUS ruling regarding birth control... am I just profoundly missing something? Why do people have a religious objection to birth control? Isn't the big problem abortion?

Please tell me I'm not being incredibly stupid, or that I've been misunderstanding something profoundly. We are talking about the stuff that prevents abortion from being an issue right? The thing that stops pregnancy from happening? Because... Please tell me I'm not crazy, but shouldn't religious people WANT everyone who doesn't want a baby to use birth control?!

Sex is supposed to be for intimacy and reproduction only. Birth control is a way to have sex for pleasure.

It's more or less about control, though, as eskimo pointed out.

Kodiak33
07-09-2020, 10:19 AM
Supreme Court goes against Trump in tax return records. Should be an interesting day.

https://twitter.com/JimmyHooverDC/status/1281230531842256896?s=20

october_midnight
07-09-2020, 10:21 AM
​there will be tweets

allegate
07-09-2020, 10:39 AM
Supreme Court goes against Trump in tax return records. Should be an interesting day.

https://twitter.com/JimmyHooverDC/status/1281230531842256896?s=20
https://media1.giphy.com/media/izybNcPekKpG700MUY/giphy.gif

allegate
07-09-2020, 10:42 AM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1281231456094822400

I was expecting at best a 5-4 but 7-2 and this?

allegate
07-09-2020, 10:58 AM
https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1281234022178398208

Never mind, joy deflated a bit now that there's analysis. I mean I'm still happy he got this decision against him - and the way it happened - but this punt blunts a lot of that. What's funny is that a punt was expected by me so this hurts a little more because of the initial excitement.

So in conclusion no testing = lower numbers. I couldn't pull the joke about highs and lows out of that phrase so suss it yourself. :p

allegro
07-09-2020, 12:20 PM
so about this SCOTUS ruling regarding birth control... am I just profoundly missing something? Why do people have a religious objection to birth control? Isn't the big problem abortion?

It’s about MONEY. MONEY. A plan that covers hormones in any form (which is ridiculously expensive AND SHOULDN’T BE, BECAUSE IT’S BEEN AROUND FOR OVER 35 YEARS) costs insurance companies and therefore employers more money. And it’s bundled in with a package plan. They want to reduce costs, and women’s costs have ALWAYS been on the chopping block.

Maternity costs will be next for these “pro Life” assholes; they’ll move to make employees pay for most or all of it.

The last two SCOTUS rulings re religion (schools, insurance) just reinforces my belief that the U.S. Constitution must be amended to provide that churches must pay taxes. If they want representation by the government and the SCOTUS, then they must have taxation.

Freedom OF religion also means freedom FROM religion. Churches should pay a varying percentage based on a set formula. Also all not-for-profits.

allegro
07-09-2020, 01:33 PM
https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1281234022178398208

Never mind, joy deflated a bit now that there's analysis. I mean I'm still happy he got this decision against him - and the way it happened - but this punt blunts a lot of that. What's funny is that a punt was expected by me so this hurts a little more because of the initial excitement.

So in conclusion no testing = lower numbers. I couldn't pull the joke about highs and lows out of that phrase so suss it yourself. :p

I disagree that this is a "punt."

This is a Constitutional win. It clearly says that nobody is above the law, including Presidents.

The SDNY will now obtain Trump's financial records from Mazars for the grand jury. No, that won't immediately be "public," but the underlying message is VERY important, and Trump's own SCOTUS pick, Justice Kavanaugh, wrote that nobody is above the law, including the President. This is gonna make Trump NUTS.

Re the second ruling, this is actually good because it limits the scope and it sets a road map as to how Congress can obtain what it wants. This is also important because, in the future, a Republican Congress couldn't relentlessly harass a Democrat President in retribution for Trump. There has to be good "reason," which the Court today spelled out, as is easily identifiable with Trump. Will it be accomplished during the election season? Actually, it might be.

elevenism
07-09-2020, 08:03 PM
I disagree that this is a "punt."

This is a Constitutional win. It clearly says that nobody is above the law, including Presidents.

The SDNY will now obtain Trump's financial records from Mazars for the grand jury. No, that won't immediately be "public," but the underlying message is VERY important, and Trump's own SCOTUS pick, Justice Kavanaugh, wrote that nobody is above the law, including the President. This is gonna make Trump NUTS.

Re the second ruling, this is actually good because it limits the scope and it sets a road map as to how Congress can obtain what it wants. This is also important because, in the future, a Republican Congress couldn't relentlessly harass a Democrat President in retribution for Trump. There has to be good "reason," which the Court today spelled out, as is easily identifiable with Trump. Will it be accomplished during the election season? Actually, it might be.i, too, think it's fucking great that "trump's" judges voted against him. I'd imagine he's fucking BAFFLED.

Personally, I don't think Congress will get the records before November, but this DEFINITELY gives Biden more ammunition to say "seriously, what in the FUCK are you hiding? Note that I'M not hiding SHIT."

But, yeah, especially thrilled that both trump appointed judges chose the fucking LAW over loyalty, and trump is all about, well, trump, and loyalty to trump.

I fucking guarantee you that if trump could fire those judges and replace them, like he does with his cabinet, it'd be done by tomorrow.

I'm imagining someone having had to explain to him that, "no, donny, you can't do that. This isn't like building the wall. No, we're sorry. You can't change these things with executive orders. No, donny, you can't sue SCOTUS, either."

allegate
07-09-2020, 11:00 PM
https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1281402105304162305

Boy I can't tell you how many times I've gone to the hospital - randomly of course as nothing was wrong with me - just to take a cognitive test. And surprised the doctors with the results. All above board, of course!

allegro
07-10-2020, 12:10 AM
Don't get used to it, because I don't think it's that. I think it's probably more of a picking of battles.
No. Supreme Court Justices don’t do this shit. Their decisions aren’t based on politics. They’re based on legal interpretations.

Even opinions I disagree with or dislike, I still understand the majority of them because they are based on solid case law; it’s just a conservative (or strict textual) view vs. a broad and stretched view.

Ruling in favor of Trump’s travel ban; it makes sense if you read the opinion, as much as we hate Trump, and the idea of the ban. It’s not the Court’s job to judge morality. The ban had already been in place for most of the countries on the list with the prior administration; the Judicial cannot overrule the Executive unless there is really good reason. They can’t set precedent. It has either a very liberal or conservative view as to what that precedent should or shouldn’t be. Really, go spend a few days in a law library reading SCOTUS opinions, including dissents. The BEST way is via the hardcover issues of United States Reports (https://www.loc.gov/law/help/us-reports.php).

Sure, there are decisions that are based on solid case law that still piss me off, because I disagree with the interpretation of the facts and the presentation of the particular case law. But, it still doesn’t make any of it “political.”


The best decision today was McGirt v Oklahoma (https://www.scotusblog.com/2020/07/opinion-analysis-justices-toe-hard-line-in-affirming-reservation-status-for-eastern-oklahoma/).

allegro
07-10-2020, 12:14 AM
https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1281402105304162305

Boy I can't tell you how many times I've gone to the hospital - randomly of course as nothing was wrong with me - just to take a cognitive test. And surprised the doctors with the results. All above board, of course!

The cognitive test he’s talking about is one where you have to be pretty fucked up to flunk it.

Wretchedest
07-10-2020, 01:47 AM
Probably helps that, after becoming a supreme court judge there's basically no where else to go for the rest of your life. Not a job they have to fight to hold on to, no one to really impress.

allegro
07-10-2020, 03:06 AM
Which are just that, interpretations.
The vast majority of law is interpretation (https://scholarship.law.campbell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1317&context=clr). (Scalia and RBG were best pals.)

I’ve been in law for 30 years, as a certificated paralegal. Interpretation is my favorite aspect of law. Very little of law is not subject to some level of interpretation. It’s why every contract contains a preamble of definitions, which is particularly helpful for interpretation if it goes to litigation.

This is no different than any other form of literature; the argument is valid, so long as it is supported by the text.

It’s no secret that most J.D.s have their undergraduate degrees in English or English Literature. I have a B.A. in the latter.

Yes, the dissents are often the most important portions of the opinions. Entire books have been written about SCOTUS dissents.

For example:

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/books/review/dissent-and-the-supreme-court-by-melvin-i-urofsky.html

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3209791-i-dissent

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/148648.Scalia_Dissents

allegro
07-10-2020, 03:34 AM
Without it, you end up with the qualified immunity process. Fun for everyone!

Is "certificated" the actual term? I've never seen that verbed before.
Yup. I got mine from Loyola University Chicago. A certificate is post-baccalaureate, in an ABA-approved law program.

That is opposed to “certified” - which does not require any education; you just take a test. The former is more valuable than the latter. Certificated is a dumb-looking verb but it’s used in law to differentiate between the two levels, since they are totally different (one signifies graduate-level education, one requires no education at all).

Qualified immunity has been supported by the liberal SCOTUS justices, as well. It must be removed via legislation. It’s stupid.

Of course, my favorite author is Dickens (https://www.vqronline.org/essay/charles-dickens-and-law). :-)


No more SCOTUS decisions until next year.

allegro
07-10-2020, 03:56 AM
Words are so fascinating. Thanks!

And I just brought up qualified immunity because of its tendency to make uninterpretive judgments or extrapolations: "Well, sure, another court decided it was illegal for police to beat you while a Rottweiler bites you, but there's nothing here about beatings that coincide with Dalmatian bites. No charges!"
Yes, it requires strict scrutiny in stare decisis. This is intended to protect public employees from personal liability, otherwise there might not ever be any public employees. (That’s the basis if it, anyway.)

FWIW, Justice Thomas hates the qualified immunity doctrine.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2020/06/15/supreme-court-refuses-to-hear-challenges-to-qualified-immunity-only-clarence-thomas-dissents/

See this essay:

https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4797&context=ndlr

allegro
07-10-2020, 04:20 AM
https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1281467027031560192?s=21

versusreality
07-10-2020, 06:28 AM
what if Trump paid someone to take the cognitive test like he did his SAT

allegate
07-10-2020, 08:37 AM
The best decision today was McGirt v Oklahoma (https://www.scotusblog.com/2020/07/opinion-analysis-justices-toe-hard-line-in-affirming-reservation-status-for-eastern-oklahoma/).

I saw a lot of chatter about how this case came to the SC and how they didn't even touch that part of it. I understand it, but I can also see how that's a bad look to someone who doesn't know the reasons for the appeal vs. the original case. Do you have thoughts on the differentiation for cases that make it this high?

allegro
07-10-2020, 09:33 AM
I saw a lot of chatter about how this case came to the SC and how they didn't even touch that part of it. I understand it, but I can also see how that's a bad look to someone who doesn't know the reasons for the appeal vs. the original case. Do you have thoughts on the differentiation for cases that make it this high?

Sorry, I don’t understand the question. The decision is here (https://d2qwohl8lx5mh1.cloudfront.net/kKj4BdK6PajTt4Q_WYZgkQ/content).

The conservative courts were and are notoriously against Native tribes (again and again due to stare decisis); SCOTUS sometimes agrees to writs involving Native tribes but then tends to kick the decisions back down to the lower courts.

This case shows that this has come to an end, with Gorsuch on the bench.

This is a brilliantly-written decision.

Jinsai
07-10-2020, 11:16 AM
The cognitive test he’s talking about is one where you have to be pretty fucked up to flunk it.
Look I drew a clock! Impressed?!

allegate
07-10-2020, 11:44 AM
Firstly, because I just read this in trying to find out more:
Justice Clarence Thomas appending a brief solo dissent to assert that the court lacked jurisdiction to hear this case at all.who other than the Supreme Court has jurisdiction on the land of the United States? Is this what he's referring to?
Gorsuch emphasizes that the power to terminate the reservation “belongs to Congress alone,” and that “this Court [will not] lightly infer such a breach.”both quotes are from this (https://www.scotusblog.com/2020/07/opinion-analysis-justices-toe-hard-line-in-affirming-reservation-status-for-eastern-oklahoma/)blog.

Secondly, this (https://www.vox.com/2020/7/10/21318796/supreme-court-mcgirt-oklahoma-native-american-neil-gorsuch)is what I was alluding to:
The case concerns Jimcy McGirt, a member of the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma who was convicted of rape in state court. McGirt’s crime took place within land that, according to Gorsuch’s majority opinion, is part of the Creek Reservation.

The fact that McGirt is a member of a tribe, and that his crime took place on a reservation, matter because of the federal Major Crimes Act (MCA) (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1153). That law provides that “any Indian who commits” certain offenses “against the person or property of another Indian or any other person” is subject to “the exclusive jurisdiction of the United States” if that crime was committed “within the Indian country.”

Thus, Oklahoma lacks authority to try McGirt for raping someone on a Native American reservation. Only the federal courts may try such a crime.

On the surface, in other words, McGirt seems to involve a fairly minor issue. No one questions that McGirt may be convicted of rape. And no one questions that he can face a stiff penalty for such a conviction. The question is which court may try the case against him.So reading that actually explains my original question in that this wasn't about the rape, it was about who can prosecute the rape.

Hey I learned myself something.