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bobbie solo
10-16-2019, 03:18 AM
Anyone see this yet? I want to discuss this movie, but we need to be really careful b/c people that haven't seen it yet will get more out of it not knowing what is coming.

Haysey
10-16-2019, 03:50 AM
I want to see it but there's no sign of a UK release yet...fuck ton of Bollywood films though :confused:

bobbie solo
11-05-2019, 03:22 PM
How about now?

hellospaceboy
11-06-2019, 07:05 PM
I saw it a month or so ago, and I went in not knowing anything about it (other than I liked the director's other works) and it was brilliant! I'm also happy to report that I saw it in a fully packed theater, which is a huge deal for a foreign language/subtitled movie in the States... this doesn't happen often.

Volband
11-07-2019, 07:54 AM
Best movie for me this yeah. It is a real pity that so far I have failed to convince any of my friends to watch it. The movie being foreign and needing subtitles to watch is just too much of a hard sell. Which is annoying, because unlike my other favorite, The Host, this one is quite mainstream. The first half of the movie is mostly clever fun mixed with some anxiety and curiosity. It's like all those dumb american infiltration combedies, except this one is done right and avoids most of the clichés. Then by the time it gets weird, you are already invested.

Also, I've been dying to argue with some folks about what they think the message was. I've read so many opinions stating that this movie is about the good, poor people battling the bad rich people, which to me is complete bs. The Kim family is quite vicious, while their rich employees are quite nice people. They are not perfect, but are far from your typical "evil rich family" cliché. We also don't know their story; there is no telling whether they got lucky, or actually worked hard for their fortune. Meanwhile the Kim's are possibly destroying lives, because they want their job. I think at the end there are very good arguments for both sides, and I can't take seriously any review site or person who claims that this movie is about showing how bad rich people are.

Haysey
11-07-2019, 09:52 AM
Doesn't look like we're getting it til next feb :( FFS!

BRoswell
11-07-2019, 10:53 AM
This was a crazy good film. Went into it knowing next-to-nothing and enjoyed the hell out of it. It was nice to be surprised by a film again.

Volband
11-07-2019, 12:48 PM
Doesn't look like we're getting it til next feb :( FFS!
I highly suggest you obtain it via other methods. You can always watch it in the theater in February for a second time.

hellospaceboy
11-07-2019, 04:42 PM
Also, I've been dying to argue with some folks about what they think the message was. I've read so many opinions stating that this movie is about

I definitely didn't get that it would be about good poor people vs bad rich people, it was much more nuanced. The way I understood it, it was about the lack of upward mobility between classes. No one came out looking particularly good at the end, but that wasn't the point. The poor people literally were so invisible that they could live under your kitchen and you wouldn't notice them!

Volband
11-12-2019, 08:41 AM
I definitely didn't get that it would be about good poor people vs bad rich people, it was much more nuanced. The way I understood it, it was about the lack of upward mobility between classes. No one came out looking particularly good at the end, but that wasn't the point. The poor people literally were so invisible that they could live under your kitchen and you wouldn't notice them!
To me, the protagonists were the rich people. They had misguided preconceptions, but they were not bad people. Talking about "that smell", or getting aroused by the thoughts of being like them is not nice, but nothing malicious. Everyone they fired, they did for very good reasons. Everyone they hired they paid and treated well. I believe they would have even helped them out, if they were to ask. Whether it's getting into a fancy school for the children, or starting up a new business for the dad. But the Kim family never even bothered to get on their good sides with honest ways, because in their minds, rich people were inherently bad. One really great scene was when they were staying over the house, and the mother said sth along the lines that the father is stupid or pathetic or sth. I think that violent reaction encompassed him really well. A bitter man, who never had the life he wanted. He played it off as a joke, but if it wasn't clear the first time, the same thing happened at the end when he grabbed the knife. The thought that he is supposed to humiliate himself as a native american for the joy of the rich folks was just too much for his pride. Which is silly, because he was promised to be paid extra, and even the rich father was participating in it. The difference is, the rich father did not think twice about the implications. Yeah, he is a stupid native american, who will get conquered and everyone will laugh at him. So? It's all fun, and I do think it was all fun. But it wasn't how the Kim father saw it - sure, the final nail in the coffin was the rich guy's reaction to the murder and the murder itself.

Btw shall we keep this thread black? I know not knowing the plot is half the fun, but like, we could write it as a disclaimer or something. People should avoid spoilers to begin with if they are really interested in a movie.

BRoswell
11-13-2019, 11:53 AM
I think seeing the film in terms of "good versus evil" is a mistake. The only real villain in the film is desperation and greed. In my opinion, it's a story about fucked up human beings and the lengths they will go to in order to preserve the appearance of having their shit together. Both groups are convinced that they're better than the other for various reasons (money, intelligence, etc.), but at the end of the day, they're both flawed and make mistakes and end up paying the price for their arrogance.

Volband
11-17-2019, 05:48 AM
The rich people seemed normal to me. They treated the Kim family fairly, even trusted them with their property. The people they fired, they did it with very good reasons. We even saw that the rich guy actually works, and not just some kingpin who's swimming in money without actually doing anything. They cared for their children. Whether its hiring personal teachers so they can get the best education possible (yeah, the mother's "background check" was wacky), they made a tent for their boy who suffered from PTSD and monitored him closely, etc. The biggest flaw of the rich family was being rich. They had everything, and to most of us, who don't enjoy that level of luxury (even if some of us are well of), it comes across as something negative.

Sth. else: I loved the cinematography. People coming down and up the stairs was such a great visual. I also liked the image of the boy holding the rock while the light flickered and the house was being soaked by sewage. I know that a flickering light is a very simple tool and hardly subtle, but it just worked. It was just good and powerful enough, that it didn't come across as artsy.

Also, what do you guys think happened at the end? I've read many theories and I am not actually sure myself. By end I mean what happened to the boy. Did he die, did he stay in a coma, did he actually reach his goals, did he recovered but still just planning his actions?

Volband
01-13-2020, 09:34 AM
Wooohooo, best picture nomination! It'll probably "only" win the best foreign picture award, but goddamn, what an honor.