Flaming Lips

[PooPooMeowChow]

So lots of new music from these guys this year. I think 6 or 7 eps or calabs and now I hear of a new 6 hour song.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/flaming-lips-six-hour-song-sounds-like-velvet-underground-meets-super-mario-brothers-20110914

What do you guys think of their new recording process?

[Kid Charlemagne]

I could take or leave it, other than the EP with Neon Indian, it's kind of sucked. The idea is cool, but it's just sort of a pain in the ass. And now they want to work with Ke$ha? They need to find a way to top Embryonic, that album was their best since Soft Bulletin.

[richardp]

I could take or leave it, other than the EP with Neon Indian, it's kind of sucked. The idea is cool, but it's just sort of a pain in the ass. And now they want to work with Ke$ha? They need to find a way to top Embryonic, that album was their best since Soft Bulletin.

Agreed 100%. I love the Lips a ton, and I understand what they're trying to do with all of these releases, but it's a pain in the ass and completely unfair for people who want them, that have no access to them. Although, I DID get the exclusive colored version of the Heady Nuggs box set this year. But truly, I just want them to give up these EPs and just make another full length.

[Kid Charlemagne]

Agreed 100%. I love the Lips a ton, and I understand what they're trying to do with all of these releases, but it's a pain in the ass and completely unfair for people who want them, that have no access to them. Although, I DID get the exclusive colored version of the Heady Nuggs box set this year. But truly, I just want them to give up these EPs and just make another full length.

Very jealous you got Heady Nuggs. I managed to get Soft Bulletin and Yoshimi on Vinyl when I couldn't find the whole box set. They tour relentlessly and are always working on things, but a new album would be even better. Seriously, who is going to sit thorugh 30 hours of the same two songs? They are probably one of the most consistent and interesting bands of the past two decades, they need to skip the fetuses and give us some actual music.

I think Dennis Coyne's band Stardeath and White Dwarves is releasing a new album too. I was impressed with them when I saw them open up for his uncle last year.

[xmd 5a]

Embryonic and Soft Bulletin are awesome.

Also liked the weird collab they did with Lightning Bolt last year.

[PooPooMeowChow]

http://fuckyeahflaminglips.tumblr.com/2011

You can get all of the 2011 releases there.;)

[Frozen Beach]

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fpitchfork.com%2Fnews%2F45221-preview-the-flaming-lips-collaborative-tracks-with-bon-iver-erykah-badu-and-keha%2F&h=wAQFIauLJAQEGpSkN_s5Wop9iWCrVpo_lBw7fZ1SU9i46Uw
The Flaming Lips are working with Ke$ha.... Wrap your head around that...

[PooPooMeowChow]

Did any one check out their latest album The Flaming Lips and Heady Fwends?
I wasn't really a fan of it but I guess they've taken the best parts from the recording and jamming they've done over the last year and are making a new album called The Terror.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/flaming-lips-cut-dark-spontaneous-new-album-20120816

AND Wayne has been working with his nephews band Stardeath and White Dwarfs on another album remake this time, In The Court of The Crimson King.
Sounds bad ass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gMMaV_sMxQ&feature=plcp

[october_midnight]

New 'bleak' album, "The Terror" drops in April. (http://pitchfork.com/news/49286-the-flaming-lips-announce-new-album-the-terror/)

[henryeatscereal]

I agree that "Embryonic" is one of the best FL releases and im also tired of all the weird experiments, i know they will never be a "simple" group but i think they need to focus more in writing actual songs than just playing with weird noises, still i admire them a lot!

[richardp]

Fuck man, between this and the RSD exclusive reissue of Zaireeka, just take all my damn money, why don't you.

Pretty excited to hear this album. Didn't know they could get any darker than what they were on Embryonic.

[thefragile_jake]

I can't wait for the new record, I actually liked "Sun Blows Up Today" for what it was. It's like a hyper active Flaming Lips song with this simple yet extremely dark lyrics, of course that's not at all what we should expect the record to sound like.

I too didn't think anything was going to get as dark as what was on Embryonic, I loved that album so much.

[kenthebear]

It's leaked, but in shocking quality (and I say that as someone who can't usually tell between v1 and flac), so people might just want to wait.

[thefragile_jake]

The leak quality isn't that bad, I'm already on my third listen of this record. The Terror, in my opinion, is even more experimental than Embryonic was..I can't believe how out there and almost "depressing" this record is. It really is some of the most bleak work they've put out there in official album form, I was worried that maybe all the little side stuff they were doing was going to get them away from being as focused for a record the next time but I was wrong. You can tell some of the work from the previous projects kind of bleeds into this record but it has this weird mixture of both seeming very dense sound wise and also completely scatter brained. It's really, really good.

It's crazy to think these guys are in their third decade together and making just as weird and good music.

[PooPooMeowChow]

Disappointed by this record, I only enjoy "Look, The Sun is Rising." thefragile is right it is very very bleak, I think that's why I don't like it.
Side note: "Butterfly, How Long It Takes To Die" was also on the StroboTrip EP, I think the EP version is better.
EDIT: has any one managed to listin to their six hour song "I Found A Star On The Ground" all the way through? I've tried many times only to be interrupted. How ever, I think it is one of the best thing they did last year.

[thefragile_jake]

The more I listen to this thing, the more I fall in love with it.

[Kid Charlemagne]

Tempted to skip work next month and see a free show with them, Divine Fits, and Jim James. Can't wait for this new album to come out.

[Presideo]

The rip that leaked sounded horrible and completely unlistenable on my cheap computer speakers, but was more tolerable w/ a good pair of headphones.

As for the album itself...it doesn't 'wow' me very much. The opener and final three songs were the only ones that interested me. Everything else was too desolate for me to get into (at least right away.) Wayne's ethereal, high-octave vocals had no energy whatsoever. I assume he was going for that feel, concept-wise, though it seemed too forced, and simply doesn't work very well over the coarse of a 55-minute album. Embryonic is only 15 minutes longer, yet feels far more expansive than The Terror. Hopefully a higher quality rip will help me like the album more than I currently do, but I'm not sure it will.

And "You Lust" has no business being 13 minutes long - it easily could have been cut in half (the final 3 minutes were especially aggravating.)

[thefragile_jake]

Three months into this year and the only other record I've loved as much was the new My Bloody Valentine album....The Terror is quite frankly amazing. I haven't felt this way about an album since the first time I heard Kid A honestly. This has such a desolate and cold vibe and it's brooding and dark. I love how they are constantly being progressive and chanllenging themselves artistically...while at the same time, still writing music that I can completelty submerge my brain into. An amazing piece of work.

Apparently, they debuted the whole record at SXSW a couple days ago and played it beginning to end live. They had a new stage production that might be used for an upcoming tour and might not be like the Flaming Lips of old anymore...


We're nervous, yeah, but it’s good to be nervous about trying new things. Some of [the new songs] are sort of slow, mid-tempo songs, which are great as recordings, but sometimes to play three or four of those in a row in front of an audience, it can be kind of a challenge. They’re songs, you know? We get known for space bubbles and confetti and shit like that. I don’t know if [we’re] retiring it, maybe just not do it for a while, or not do it so much and so much attention to it. I just kind of feel like if we keep doing that, it stops us from doing other stuff.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/9ef334c16ef2cf01287204f420297872/tumblr_mjrz2aZfVT1qzmqjfo1_1280.jpg

Plus, I'm excited to pick up the vinyl when it comes out because apparently side four of the deluxe vinyl comes with a Dan Deacon remix of the ENTIRE album. Perfection!

[Kid Charlemagne]

I was at the show on Friday night and was pleasantly surprised of how much the live show was changed. They have a brand new stage design, no space bubble, no confetti. The album sounded like a complete downer but I enjoyed it. There were points in the show where Sarah from Phantogram was on stage and Wayne pulled her hair as she was singing, there was also another point in which for three straight songs, Wayne held a baby in his arms. My cousin was disappointed since he thought it would be a "party" like a normal lips show, but clearly they're moving in a different direction. I like it a lot and can't wait to hear the new album through headphones.

[thefragile_jake]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng-9vMA1moY

The Flaming Lips performing "Look...The Sun Is Rising" on Letterman.

This along with the Deerhunter performance has made this an awesome week for late night talk show musical guests.

[Amaro]

I'm definitely buying this new album. Had my interest from the beginning. It has quite the flow. The first five songs, especially, right through...fuck yeah. "Be Free..." and "Try To Explain" are so transcendent...my current favorites. Album is simple and well done. I appreciate The Terror!

[thefragile_jake]

Bought the vinyl today, it sounds fantastic...though I'm a little frustrated that it's not the silver edition they were advertising. Apparently that may have been a pre order exclusive or something? Either way, it sounds awesome and doesn't change how much I love this record...even if the vinyl price is a little bit too steep for nothing really extra.

Really looking forward to the possibility of a 2013 tour!

[thefragile_jake]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2NCjcsgrbg

[theimage13]

Photographed a Flaming Lips show in 2010, and still find confetti in my camera bag sometimes.

Did sound for them at a festival last year, and had to literally feel around the stage for our cables at the end of the show.

Needless to say, the prospect of a confetti-free show is appealing.

[Amaro]

I failed to get a CD copy of Peace Sword at nearby record stores on Friday, no stock, so I ordered one through Amoeba Records online on the same day...got here today. Pretty fast!

Yes, I buy CDs. Last I checked, earlier today, they still had the option to order through them.

[richardp]

http://pitchfork.com/news/55030-kliph-scurlock-says-he-was-fired-from-flaming-lips-for-standing-up-to-wayne-coynes-friends-racism/

Word was going around the local KC grapevine throughout the past month (Where Kliph lives) but it's still disheartening to hear it officially. Shame on Wayne. The Lips' music has been so fucking awful the past couple of years and Wayne's public persona has been getting more and more out there and ego-fueled, so knowing this is nice for me to finally completely let go of this band.

[r_z]

you know, the way I see it, there's no offical account on what happened and why. there's two sides of the same story, as always is.

And for the record: I think their last two albums were great. Still looking for a lossless copy of Peace Sword though...

[richardp]

Well I can say that being from KC and seeing Kliph around town at least once a week, he's a genuine dude. He doesn't seem like egomaniac like Wayne has become. Kliph always seems like a really humble guy. He even comes to my website's local Oscar Party every year and hangs out with people. I agree, there's two sides, but I tend to genuinely take Kliph's side.

[Soma]

Kliph is such a solid dude. I'm glad he voiced himself about the issue. It baffles me that a public figure from Oklahoma would disrespect Natives like that.
It probably is for the best that Kliph is no longer a member. Can't imagine what dealing with Wayne's shit would be like. Also, this means he's got more time to make less pretentious, more interesting music..

EDIT: That said, I can enjoy some of their stuff in small doses. Especially Yoshimi.

[reseen_lamenti]

Someone who is close to Wayne posted a ton of fucked up shit about whats going on with him in the comments of this article (http://http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2014/04/the_flaming_lip_21.html).

Could be total bullshit but it sounds pretty real

[Amaro]

Someone who is close to Wayne posted a ton of fucked up shit about whats going on with him in the comments of this article.


Could be total bullshit but it sounds pretty real

Repost link please.

Edit: Got on desktop from mobile--this is what you were trying to post http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2014/04/the_flaming_lip_21.html

Whoa nelly.

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RE Kliph: he does indeed seem to be a solid dude. Wow.

http://m.pitchfork.com/news/55030-kliph-scurlock-says-he-was-fired-from-flaming-lips-for-standing-up-to-wayne-coynes-friends-racism/ (as posted in last page, but why not again)

Doesn't surprise me about Wayne, but that's so lousy.

[richardp]

Someone who is close to Wayne posted a ton of fucked up shit about whats going on with him in the comments of this article (http://http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2014/04/the_flaming_lip_21.html).

Could be total bullshit but it sounds pretty real

Jesus Christ. Fuck Wayne Coyne. I really used to look up to that dude. But if all that insider shit is legit, motherfucker needs some SERIOUS help.

[thevoid99]

I think working with Kesha and Smiley Virus has definitely made Wayne Coyne become a real asshole. If he wants to go mainstream and make pop records. Fine, but I won't bother listening to them.

[icecream]

I was crushed and hoping it wasn't true when it first came out. Too bad, I loved that band.

Like fuck, I wanted to give Wane and the band the benefit of the doubt. After all, Kliph was fired, he could be bitter towards them. But it all fits in with rumors of Wayne and how he has been acting the last few years. After reading lots about this, I have a 100% gut feeling Kliph is telling the truth. I was so excited to be able see them again this summer because I loved the first show of theirs I went to. Now I don't know if I can go or support them any longer.

Fallin did was tasteless and racist. I'm really disappointed that Wayne not only defended her, but also attended her band's show and mocked the protesters. It goes against the band's message of peace and love.

[HurtinMinorKey]

How is wearing a headress racist? But I'm sure if he was pissing on a crucifix everybody would say he was cool though.....

[orestes]

Caucasian girl wearing a ceremonial war bonnet- no, I don't see what's racist about that at all.

[Aladdinsanity]

Things like this are why I place myself firmly in the art-seperate-from-aritst camp. Wayne's always been starved for attention, for sure, but between this, the Ke$ha thing, and the Miley Cyrus collaboration, everything about him is screaming mid-life crisis. It's fucking gross. As a Native American brought up in public housing in a piss-poor reservation, this whole Fallin shitstorm has definitely sapped whatever respect I had left for him.

Whatever. I still like anything music-related the Flaming Lips continue to release and their live shows are still pretty amazing. That said, if I do ever come across any of their poser fans or hanger-ons wearing headdresses at said shows, I'll probably punch them in the fucking face.

[richardp]

How is wearing a headress racist? But I'm sure if he was pissing on a crucifix everybody would say he was cool though.....

No, no one would think he was cool for that. People, much like myself, seem to be tired as fuck of his lame ass publicity stunts. They're only viewed as "cool" by spoiled suburban teenagers who don't know any better. Ala his current fan base. They're also the only ones *genuinely* excited for the fucking Lip$ha album. The ones who show up at The Womb and let Wayne spray glitter and paint all over their tits and shit, because, it's, like, so cool. Fuck all that noise.

And yes, suburban rich White girl with politician parents donning Native American Headdress is genuinely racist as fuck. And then to mock the protestors? So fucking classless.

[HurtinMinorKey]

Caucasian girl wearing a ceremonial war bonnet- no, I don't see what's racist about that at all.

From WIki: Racism is actions, practices or beliefs, or social or political systems that consider different races (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_humans)) to be ranked as inherently superior (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacism) or inferior to each other

So I'm guessing you mean tasteless, not racist. Unless you think she was explicitly trying to express the opinion that Native American's are inherently inferior warriors because hundreds of years later silly rich girls can dress up like their "warriors" and dance all over the sacred land that was once ruled by their ancestors. But I think that's assuming too much. :rolleyes:

Inferring that someone cannot get away with something just because they are Caucasian, that's kinda racist (depending on the circumstance of course).

And yes, making fun of the donkeys that showed up to protest is totally fine, and in this case laudable.

And one last thing: the Flaming Lips are totally overrated. Their best song off their best album was stolen from someone else ( and they pay royalties on it to this day). So fuck Wayne. But calling him a racist, if the only evidence is the above story, is libelous. The drummer got fired and he's acting like an unprofessional ass. That's the story here.

[richardp]

From WIki: Racism is actions, practices or beliefs, or social or political systems that consider different races (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_humans)) to be ranked as inherently superior (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacism) or inferior to each other

So I'm guessing you mean tasteless, not racist. Unless you think she was explicitly trying to express the opinion that Native American's are inherently inferior warriors because hundreds of years later silly rich girls can dress up like their "warriors" and dance all over the sacred land that was once ruled by their ancestors. But I think that's assuming too much. :rolleyes:

Inferring that someone cannot get away with something just because they are Caucasian, that's kinda racist (depending on the circumstance of course).

And yes, making fun of the donkeys that showed up to protest is totally fine, and in this case laudable.

And one last thing: the Flaming Lips are totally overrated. Their best song off their best album was stolen from someone else ( and they pay royalties on it to this day). So fuck Wayne. But calling him a racist, if the only evidence is the above story, is libelous. The drummer got fired and he's acting like an unprofessional ass. That's the story here.

Wayne?? Is that you?? Do you realize??

[HurtinMinorKey]

Wayne?? Is that you?? Do you realize??

So you don't have a genuine response, figures.

[The Doctor]

But calling him a racist, if the only evidence is the above story, is libelous. The drummer got fired and he's acting like an unprofessional ass. That's the story here.

Kliph explains in the story that a headdress is not worn lightly, that each part of it is earned for good deeds, etc. So for any ole person to wear it just for the hell of it, especially in the context explained in the story is racially insensitive. Willfully so. So it may not fit your air-tight wikipedia definition exactly, but it's still a disrespectful gesture that is race and culture based.

[richardp]

So you don't have a genuine response, figures.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc49/richardpepper/sterling-phoneglasses_zps2b6cd1db.gif

Don't need one when you're so blatantly supporting racism. You're doing all my work for me!

[orestes]

From WIki: Racism is actions, practices or beliefs, or social or political systems that consider different races (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_humans)) to be ranked as inherently superior (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacism) or inferior to each other

So I'm guessing you mean tasteless, not racist. Unless you think she was explicitly trying to express the opinion that Native American's are inherently inferior warriors because hundreds of years later silly rich girls can dress up like their "warriors" and dance all over the sacred land that was once ruled by their ancestors. But I think that's assuming too much. :rolleyes:

Inferring that someone cannot get away with something just because they are Caucasian, that's kinda racist (depending on the circumstance of course).

And yes, making fun of the donkeys that showed up to protest is totally fine, and in this case laudable.

And one last thing: the Flaming Lips are totally overrated. Their best song off their best album was stolen from someone else ( and they pay royalties on it to this day). So fuck Wayne. But calling him a racist, if the only evidence is the above story, is libelous. The drummer got fired and he's acting like an unprofessional ass. That's the story here.

Hundreds of years ago? More like within the last century forty years. Your failure to admit casual racism and gross misappropriation of indigenous culture only highlights just how little you know on the topic. But you know, keep defending a group that you find overrated just to stir the pot.

Saying that a white person cannot wear a ceremonial war bonnet isn't racist because it was never their culture to begin with. Sorry, it's just one of select few things white people can't get away with. Even if they understand and respect the symbolism behind it, just no.

[HurtinMinorKey]

Kliph explains in the story that a headdress is not worn lightly, that each part of it is earned for good deeds, etc. So for any ole person to wear it just for the hell of it, especially in the context explained in the story is racially insensitive. Willfully so. So it may not fit your air-tight wikipedia definition exactly, but it's still a disrespectful gesture that is race and culture based.

>"a headdress is not worn lightly"

So i guess none of us can dress up as someone from another culture without a bunch of morons running around calling us racists.

But you are missing the point. Racism is a deliberate attempt to belittle a race. What we have here is someone being disrespectful(arguably) of a culture. It's like saying it's racist for a woman to dress up as a catholic priest.

Normally i hate semantic arguments, but since racism is such a charged term, you better damn well understand what it means before you fling it around.

[HurtinMinorKey]

Hundreds of years ago? More like within the last century forty years.

Yes, Native American resistance was put to rest more than 100 years ago.


Your failure to admit casual racism and gross misappropriation of indigenous culture only highlights just how little you know on the topic.


You still haven't explained why you think it's racist. Is it racist for Tom Cruise to dress up like a Samurai?

You clearly don't understand what racism is. And the fact that you belittle what is a very real problem (racism) by associating it with this crap pisses me off.

To turn things around, you could argue that the headdress itself is a symbol of sexism, since in most native cultures only a man can wear one. So fuck the headdress, and fuck the grandstanding assholes who are so quick to cry racism when it costs them nothing and does nothing to address the very real problem of racism.

[HurtinMinorKey]

Don't need one when you're so blatantly supporting racism. You're doing all my work for me!


http://nonrhotic.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/no-country-for-old-men.jpg?w=426&h=182
And you have no idea what you are talking about.

[richardp]

http://nonrhotic.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/no-country-for-old-men.jpg?w=426&h=182
And you have no idea what you are talking about.

Laugh Out Loud

[Aladdinsanity]

Yes, Native American resistance was put to rest more than 100 years ago.
Wrong. Try 50 years ago.

http://www.ndstudies.org/resources/IndianStudies/threeaffiliated/historical_1900s_garrison.html (http://www.ndstudies.org/resources/IndianStudies/threeaffiliated/historical_1900s_garrison.html)

My grandparents were victims of the practices noted in the article. Through the Fort Laramie Treaty, my tribe was legally obliged to 12 million acres of land that they very much took advantage of, living as economically sufficient as an agriculture-based population could. They were eventually undermined by the Corps of Engineers, flooding their land without consent and without any dialogue with the tribe. The Corps of Engineers were eventually backed by the federal government via the Homestead Act, reducing their original 12 million acres to half a million. Whatever prosperity previously held by the tribe was diminished.

http://www.ndstudies.org/resources/IndianStudies/threeaffiliated/images/gillette_weeps_garrison.jpg

The man weeping in this photo is George Gillette, the tribe's Chairman at the time. Here, we see him signing over the remaining land to be flooded for the construction of the Garrison Dam. This was largely for scant financial compensation, as they had already lost most of their homes and the remaining land would've been flooded regardless of their consent.


Is it racist for Tom Cruise to dress up like a Samurai?
All the facepalms because A) you're talking about a fucking movie and B) the context of him dressing as a samurai is backed entirely by his character's story, where he's more or less made an honorary member by others who are native to samurai culture.

Here's a better question -- would it be racist for Tom Cruise to wear a blue bandana and throw up Crip gang signs?


To turn things around, you could argue that the headdress itself is a symbol of sexism, since in most native cultures only a man can wear one. So fuck the headdress, and fuck the grandstanding assholes who are so quick to cry racism when it costs them nothing and does nothing to address the very real problem of racism.
There are [were] many tribes that give headdresses to its female members. To turn things around, I could argue that America, as a largely white-washed, patriarchal first-world nation, has given way to pseudo-intellectual trends amongst its younger population wherein they make baseless contrarian arguments an in attempt to ward off accusations of racism only to reveal how racist they really are. So fuck you.

[HurtinMinorKey]

I actually watched the PBS special on that dam, it was pretty interesting. But i was referring to their military resistance. If you want, there are even more current examples of the Native Americans getting screwed over by the government: http://www.csnews.com/industry-news-and-trends/corporate-store-operations/police-raid-ri-native-american-tobacco-shop

Sadly the historical list of fuckovers is long and ongoing.

But that isn't the debate.





Here's a better question -- would it be racist for Tom Cruise to wear a blue bandana and throw up Crip gang signs?


You still don't get it do you? Being a gang member has a negative association, and if by associating his "gang outfit" with a specific race, that could be viewed as racist. You've said yourself the headdress is an honor, so your analogy is flawed. Now if she was dressed as a Native American, carried a tomahawk, human scalps, and drank whiskey non-stop, that could be viewed racist and your analogy apt. But that isn't the case here. So stop being obtuse.




There are [were] many tribes that give headdresses to its female members. To turn things around, I could argue that America, as a largely white-washed, patriarchal first-world nation, has given way to pseudo-intellectual trends amongst its younger population wherein they make baseless contrarian arguments an in attempt to ward off accusations of racism only to reveal how racist they really are. So fuck you.


Nice try. You can accuse me of racism all you want, but you haven't made any case for that whatsoever. Furthermore, if the Mods think that I have said or done one thing to condone racism here, then they should ban me for life. You on the other hand....

[orestes]

Yes, Native American resistance was put to rest more than 100 years ago.



You still haven't explained why you think it's racist. Is it racist for Tom Cruise to dress up like a Samurai?

You clearly don't understand what racism is. And the fact that you belittle what is a very real problem (racism) by associating it with this crap pisses me off.

To turn things around, you could argue that the headdress itself is a symbol of sexism, since in most native cultures only a man can wear one. So fuck the headdress, and fuck the grandstanding assholes who are so quick to cry racism when it costs them nothing and does nothing to address the very real problem of racism.

My god, could you be be anymore patronizing? By your logic, Lady Gaga should be allowed to wear a burqa because OMG ISLAM OPPRESSES WOMEN! Nobody is saying that sexism doesn't exist in tribe culture so I don't know why you brought it up as a counterpoint. Last I checked, we're far from living in a utopian society so don't try to turn this on Native Americans, as if female leaders aren't trying to change tribe culture today. You have a very narrow definition of racism that doesn't take into affect the difference between institutionalized racism and cultural racism that is perpetuated by the media. A person's intent is hardly a benchmark for determining racist actions, otherwise all the fucking dumb teenagers who thought it was hilarious to don blackface and go as Trayvon Martin last Halloween would have fucking known better.

The Tom Cruise analogy I don't get because I've never seen the movie but I wouldn't use Hollywood as an example because boy, do they have a problem with white-washing and presenting white savior complexes in movies.

My cultural identity is not a photo prop or fashion trend.

Do you consider this racist?
http://i0.wp.com/moniqueblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/AnOther-Magazine-Michelle-Williams.jpg
http://style.mtv.com//wp-content/uploads/style/2013/11/katy-perry-amas-performance.jpg

[r_z]

guys......

[HurtinMinorKey]

Lady gaga wearing a burqa is fine, as long as she doesn't have a bomb strapped to it. Again for the same reason having a woman dress up as a catholic priest isn't racist. We'll set aside the fact that Islam isn't even a race :rolleyes:

A wholesale ban on people dressing as those from other cultures, especially when done without malice, is fucking stupid. And if you can't see why blackface is different then I don't think we should continue this discussion any further.

I'm not trying to flame here. I just wanted to point out a subtle yet important distinction between being racist and being disrespectful.

[Jinsai]

I don't know, this is obviously a hot button issue for a lot of people, and I don't know the particulars of the case with what Wayne was doing or his stance on the issue, but this doesn't feel like it deserves this degree of outrage.

Is it racially ignorant for a person to don a headdress as a jokey accoutrement? Maybe. Is it insensitive? Probably... But is it straight up racist? I don't know if I agree there. When I identify someone as a racist, I usually think they're approaching a particular race from a perspective that assumes some form of superiority. I think it's hard to infer that's what's happening here. It's not equivalent to donning blackface.

[aggroculture]

ScarJo is so hot and an awesome actress. Shame about her politics.

Oh and the Flaming Lips have always been douche canoes. "She Don't Use Jelly" made that abundantly clear in 1993.

[richardp]

Look! Wayne responds to Kliph's accusations: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/wayne-coyne-fires-back-at-pathological-liar-kliph-scurlock-20140509

Or at least, he tries to. I've made my mind up. What about the rest of you, after reading this pudwhack's "explanation"?

I made my mind up well before his "response". He's a fucking cunt now. I'll still always love the Warner Bro's years of The Lips, but I just can't with this motherfucker right now. He's an egotistical arrogant piece of shit who literally threw away all of his band's ideals for shock value and fame.

[Amaro]

Kliph on his Facebook made some large post about his feelings towards people calling Wayne a racist, and a bunch of other stuff.

But really, at the least doing the Instagram pics uploaded of Wayne's dog, girlfriend, roadie and Sarah of Phantogram all wearing a headress is what makes him look like an idiot. Why delete them if he doesn't regret acting like that in the height of things? It was stupid. Admit it. Guy just wants to cause a ruckus, it's just surprising because I thought he could understand respect, decency...not push things out of those bounds so obviously.

blah blah blah

lemme read this rolling stone link now

edit: okay, apologies in writing. And Wayne calling Kliph not creative, that's not a jab at all. lol

[kel]

Smiley Virus

i've seen this twice on ets now. not funny or clever. at all.

on topic, i found a huge foam core promo poster (for lack of a better term -- more like a sign, i guess) of the 'yoshimi' cover. i've never been a fan, but i loved the artwork on that album.

[thevoid99]

i've seen this twice on ets now. not funny or clever. at all.

on topic, i found a huge foam core promo poster (for lack of a better term -- more like a sign, i guess) of the 'yoshimi' cover. i've never been a fan, but i loved the artwork on that album.

I didn't come up with that name. Mark Kermode did. Besides, I'm sure none of us here saw her and the Flaming Lips destroyed the Beatles' "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds".

[aggroculture]

Go Miley Defense Force!

I wish that Lip$ha album had seen the light of day.

[icecream]

How is wearing a headress racist? But I'm sure if he was pissing on a crucifix everybody would say he was cool though.....
I don't really know what else to tell you. Others here have done a better job trying to explain it to you than I ever could. Check out these links saying why it's racist for someone to mock another person's culture:

http://mycultureisnotatrend.tumblr.com
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation

[HurtinMinorKey]

I don't really know what else to tell you. Others here have done a better job trying to explain it to you than I ever could. Check out these links saying why it's racist for someone to mock another person's culture:

http://mycultureisnotatrend.tumblr.com
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation

No, i get it. I just disagree. Cultural appropriation is not racism. See my female catholic priest example.

[icecream]

No, i get it. I just disagree. Cultural appropriation is not racism. See my female catholic priest example.
You are missing the point, therefor don't understand it. It is racist to do what Fallin did. She took the costume headdress and wore it as a fashion item. Even making costume versions of Aboriginal clothing is fucked up. She also ignored the significance of the headdress. Mocking someone's culture is racist, no way around it.

http://racismschool.tumblr.com/post/49817567748/the-why-of-cultural-appropriation
Three paragraphs explaining why it's wrong.

[HurtinMinorKey]

You are missing the point, therefor don't understand it. It is racist to do what Fallin did. She took the costume headdress and wore it as a fashion item. Even making costume versions of Aboriginal clothing is fucked up. She also ignored the significance of the headdress. Mocking someone's culture is racist, no way around it.

http://racismschool.tumblr.com/post/49817567748/the-why-of-cultural-appropriation
Three paragraphs explaining why it's wrong.

So then you agree it's racist for a women to dress up as a Catholic priest for Halloween. In which case, I think you are a moron. Claiming that someone of a different race is inherently inferior because they are member of that race, that's racism. Since I don't think her wearing this headdress was done to promote the notion that native Americans are somehow inferior, I am not going to label her a racist.

And your three paragraphs are arbitrary bullshit. By definition 1. any illustration of the prophet Muhammad is racist, even if it's not done with any bad intent, because (from your source)

"It’s blatantly disrespectful but also, shows a sign of your belief in your own superiority over the group."

Bullshit. There is a difference between asserting superiority over the group and not allowing the group to assert its superiority over you. This is akin to the difference between tolerance and respect. I am not going to demean any group or ethnicity intentionally, but i'm also not going to walk on eggshells around any group to avoid offending their sensibilities.

[Sarah K]

Racism doesn't mean you have to be burning crosses and hanging people... It lies on a spectrum. Just like most things in life. Sure, she isn't running around screaming I HATE INDIANS. But she is being willfully disrespectful of a culture.

[icecream]

You are using a really narrow and inadequate definition of racism. No matter what anyone here tells you about cultural appropriation if you keep defining racism by such narrow terms, you aren't going to be convinced otherwise. It's a failure on your part, not ours to understand why it's racist. If Fallin thinks she can just pop on a headdress because she wants to, it's disrespectful and shows she thinks she is higher than Aboriginal people and culture.

[richardp]

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc49/richardpepper/b83_zpsa59ca44b.gif

[Jinsai]

You are missing the point, therefor don't understand it. It is racist to do what Fallin did. She took the costume headdress and wore it as a fashion item.

THAT is not racism! It's potentially ignorant, but it's not racist! There is a very fundamental distinction that needs to be acknowledged here. Calling someone a racist is a severe claim. It should be.

We undermine the weight of that claim when we start calling some silly bullshit like this racist. Intent is important to consider. .

[HurtinMinorKey]

Racism doesn't mean you have to be burning crosses and hanging people... It lies on a spectrum. Just like most things in life. Sure, she isn't running around screaming I HATE INDIANS. But she is being willfully disrespectful of a culture.


And when you walk around without a burqa on you're being willfully disrespectful to devout Muslims, so i guess that makes you a racist too.

[orestes]

Except not every Muslim woman wears a burqa, much less a hijab or niqab.

Thanks for playing!

[Sarah K]

Are you having any luck with thkse straws that your grabbing at?

[HurtinMinorKey]

Except not every Muslim woman wears a burqa, much less a hijab or niqab.

Thanks for playing!


And not every native american wears a feathered headdress, so what are you getting at? The point is that if you raise the bar of racism to the point of not offending anyone, then you've gone too far.

I'm actually surprised you guys still don't get this. I'm not the only person in the thread that thinks this way, i'm just the only one who's stupid enough to try to get the point across.

[aggroculture]

And the purpose of the point is what, exactly? To try to establish that it's OK to offend people without fear of repercussion?

[Sarah K]

Racism is cool, brah. We can't always worry about the feelings of others.

brb, going out in blackface YOLO

[HurtinMinorKey]

And the purpose of the point is what, exactly? To try to establish that it's OK to offend people without fear of repercussion?

Not at all. It's to make an important distinction between being offensive and being racist.

[HurtinMinorKey]

Racism is cool, brah. We can't always worry about the feelings of others.

brb, going out in blackface YOLO

You've already labeled yourself as a racist by your own definition, so keep it up. I'm sure if you keep making glib remarks eventually one of them might actually make sense.

[Sarah K]

Just hoping that you can somehow grasp the absurdity of what you're saying.

There seems to be this misconception that if someone isn't screaming slurs or actively oppressing someone, that they aren't participating in racism. And that is just so false and sad. :/

[aggroculture]

Not at all. It's to make an important distinction between being offensive and being racist.

Why and to who is it important?
Also: who gets to decide what's racist and what isn't? The person who is offended, or someone who isn't?

[HurtinMinorKey]

Why and to who is it important?
Also: who gets to decide what's racist and what isn't? The person who is offended, or someone who isn't?

As we discussed earlier in the thread, i think the literal definition is a good place to start.

From WIki: Racism is actions, practices or beliefs, or social or political systems that consider different races (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_humans)) to be ranked as inherently superior (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacism) or inferior to each other

So in this case, unless Sarah et al. really think that wearing a feathered headdress equates to the expression that Native Americans are inherently inferior, I don't see how they can claim it as racist.

[thevoid99]

Um, can we just get to the subject over how much of a sellout Wayne Coyne has become?

[icecream]

THAT is not racism! It's potentially ignorant, but it's not racist! There is a very fundamental distinction that needs to be acknowledged here. Calling someone a racist is a severe claim. It should be.

We undermine the weight of that claim when we start calling some silly bullshit like this racist. Intent is important to consider. .
Normally I would agree, but her actions go beyond wearing the headdress though. In her "apology", she still defended her actions showing no sign of realizing her insensitivity. After, she said her band was going to show up in full traditional Native American clothes. Protesters showed up at the gig and she mocked them and did a fake war dance. It isn't one incident of cultural insensitivity, she has a history of it. To me, that makes her a racist piece of shit.

[PhoenixML]

I cannot stop listening to The Terror. I am unable to put it down. It's been on repeat for a couple of days now.

I don't know The Flaming Lips. I never heard anything before.

I recently tried Soft Bulletin, I can't get into it at all. Embryonic is closer. I like half of it.

Any suggestions on how I should continue my Flaming Lips discovery?

[r_z]

Get the Peace Sword EP next, then maybe their "7 Skies H3" disc a.k.a. the 24 hour song. Both are more in the vein of The Terror.

Personally, I like Embryonic the best. It's like a late 60s double album.

[Amaro]

I cannot stop listening to The Terror. I am unable to put it down. It's been on repeat for a couple of days now.

I don't know The Flaming Lips. I never heard anything before.

The Terror? F'ing damn good choice.

[Sutekh]

I'm late to the party... but what a ten ton twat this man is, just read about the headdress fiasco and also his treatment of Erykah Badu.

It's not necessarily racist to mock another culture IMO, racism is the belief that a race or certain races are innately superior to others. What happened with the headdress is just dumb middle class kids (one aged 50 and counting) being rude due to a sense of entitlement

but at least they didn't trot out some tired argument regarding freedom of speech being under attack

[Sutekh]

How is wearing a headress racist? But I'm sure if he was pissing on a crucifix everybody would say he was cool though.....

Yeah because white Americans didn't commit a brutal genocide and land theft against christians as a whole

Agreed this isn't about racism but re: the latter remark, honestly if you can't see the massive difference between those two examples, you either don't want to or you can't. But the difference is there nonetheless. But they have every right to be complete and utter cocks if they do so wish

[PhoenixML]

What. The. Hell. Am. I. Listening. To.

#withalittlehelpfrommyfrwends

[The Doctor]

Wow, this thread died hard in the face of all the intense racism talk and all the weird Miley Cyrus/random EPs stuff.

BUT! I was listening to At War With the Mystics today and forgot how good that album is! I never gave it a fair chance when it came out but really like it now.

However, I was never able to get into The Terror. Can someone help explain that album to me? Or an ideal context in which to listen to it? I like Embryonic, so I enjoy some of their slightly more "out there" stuff. I just feel like I need the right perspective or circumstance or context to understand the album and maybe I could really give it another shot.

Thanks everyone.

[thefragile_jake]

http://pitchfork.com/news/69170-listen-to-the-flaming-lips-new-song-the-castle/

New single, new album out in January! PUMPED!!

http://pitchfork-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/content/oczymlodycover.jpeg

Oczy Mlody:
01 Oczy Mlody
02 How??
03 There Should Be Unicorns
04 Sunrise (Eyes of the Young)
05 Nigdy Nie (Never No)
06 Galaxy I Sink
07 One Night While Hunting for Faeries and Witches and Wizards to Kill
08 Do Glowy
09 Listening to the Frogs With Demon Eyes
10 The Castle
11 Almost Home (Blisko Domu)
12 We a Famly


However, I was never able to get into The Terror. Can someone help explain that album to me? Or an ideal context in which to listen to it? I like Embryonic, so I enjoy some of their slightly more "out there" stuff. I just feel like I need the right perspective or circumstance or context to understand the album and maybe I could really give it another shot.

Thanks everyone.

I honestly loved the hell out of the Terror. It was by far their bleakest record with Wayne dealing from a lot of the emotions from his divorce and I believe Steven had just had a little relapse with drugs so the guys were in a weird place mentally...and it showcased itself on the record. To me, The Terror sounds like being trapped in outer space and facing ultimate doom...while overcome with depression that builds overtime. It's an insane record and I love it to bits....but I must say this new album is shaping up to be a real good one based on the single.

[thevoid99]

I liked the band more when they were just being underground and exciting and not hanging around with Smiley Virus.

[Twiggy]

I really enjoyed their last album, The Terror so will give the new one a listen.
I think I've totally missed what happened with the whole racism thing.

[Amaro]

Did someone say The Terror??

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/14/7c/a8/147ca82f856a862466f620cf283836b7.jpg

"I was depressed for days in a good way."

The first three songs alone, guys. I died.

I <3 The Terror.

\\\

I haven't heard the new single yet, but I'm happy to learn of a new album right around the curve.

[thefragile_jake]

Did someone say The Terror??

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/14/7c/a8/147ca82f856a862466f620cf283836b7.jpg

"I was depressed for days in a good way."

The first three songs alone, guys. I died.

I <3 The Terror.

\\\

I haven't heard the new single yet, but I'm happy to learn of a new album right around the curve.

<3 that album so much.

[richardp]

Heads up if anyone is interested, I recently put my copy of Waking Up With A Placebo Headwound up for sale on eBay. Hand numbered, and autographed. Haven't been a fan of these dudes in a while but this book was one of my prized possessions for years. Figure there'll be some Flaming Lips fan out there that would want this.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/282358897911?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649

[allegate]

The Flaming Lips with the Oregon Symphony

On sale now!

The Flaming Lips will perform their iconic 1999 masterpiece The Soft Bulletin in its entirety, joined by the Oregon Symphony. The ever-evolving psychedelic pop-rock group led by legendary front man Wayne Coyne will create an unmissable, moving, and magical experience. The band’s career breakthrough album featured hit singles "Race for the Prize" and "Waitin’ for a Superman." Upon its release, Pitchfork called it "one of those albums people are going to obsess over for many years to come" – which they absolutely did.I'm like 90% there.

[thefragile_jake]

New Flaming Lips album this fall!

https://media.pitchfork.com/photos/5ef5d18d7bb7acb328d57164/master/w_1600%2Cc_limit/image1.jpeg

"American Head" out September 11th. The single released a few weeks ago and today's new song have been great and might be a return to form for those who might have fallen out of love with the group the last few years. I liked Ozcy Mlody fine, but it didn't have a lot of repetition offering. The Terror is immensely underrated.

Lots of good preorder goodies on the store (https://store.flaminglips.com).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxUXT6nEYFY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g8QTpvY5_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxUXT6nEYFY

[allegate]

I know I'm going blind but this is a bit much. I see in the promo art a tie dye record but then I don't see it on any of the options under it. Is it already sold out or something?

https://img.secure.cdn2.wmgecom.com/media/wysiwyg/FlamingLips/3-TFL-2020AH-StoreBanner_1_.jpg

[thefragile_jake]

Holy fuck, that was fast. Yeah, that tye dye record already sold out.

[thefragile_jake]

As I figured, new album should please Lips fans whose favorite eras were the Soft Bulletin up to At War With the Mystics. Album sits right at home in that timeframe, but is more reflective and sad it's in tone.

Lots of personal stories from Wayne's childhood give the album it's "Americana" feel with a lot of "Harvest Moon" era Neil Young vibes and Beatles-esque song writing ... all while still in this weird pysch-indie rock bubble (pun intended) the group is known for. Really, really solid record. I adored The Terror, didn't care much for Ozcy Mlody and thought King's Mouth was fun ... but this is really, really great.

[chuckrh]

Just bought tickets for the Lips in Seattle. May 4, 2022. Not a bubble show. In a big club & reasonably priced. Hopefully the show & myself will be happening.

[thefragile_jake]

Can't wait to see them next April!

[chuckrh]

The 20th anniversary box of "Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots" is fantastic! 6 cds, a poster & a good sized book with Wayne & Steven interviews. I had a lot of the stuff in the box but definitely not everything. It's nice to have it all in one place. I wish they would do something similar with "The Soft Bulletin". "At War With the Mystics" would be good too. The earlier years have been pretty well documented already. I've been a fan for a real long time & have seen them several times. One of the bands I don't miss if they come to town. Steven Drodz is 1 of my favorite musicians. Would love to see what he & Trent/Atticus could cook up. I think Steven could do soundtracks if he put his mind to it. He does keep plenty busy with the Lips though. Anyway, if you're a fan I highly recommend this release. Evidently there's a 5 LP vinyl version coming in 2023 also.

[WingWalker]

The 20th anniversary box of "Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots" is fantastic!

Thanks for the recommend. Love the Lips - been on the fence about ordering this, will do so now.

[talkingnothing]

made this playlist of tracks off the new box plus a couple i found on youtube. I only ever had the fight test cd along with my original yoshimi with the DVD, so i had heard a couple of these tracks, but putting them all together with these two extras not on the box from a BBC radio session is like a whole companion odyssey. Can't stop listening to this.



1
The Strange Design of Conscience
Fight Test US ep


2
Assassination of the Sun
Ego Tripping ep


3
I'm a Fly in a Sunbeam
Ego Tripping ep


4
Sunship Balloons
Ego Tripping ep


5
If I Go Mad/Funeral in My Head
Do You Realize CD1


6
Syrtis Major
Do You Realize CD1


7
Up Above the Daily Hum
Do You Realize CD2


8
Xanthe Terra
Do You Realize CD2


9
The Deterioration of the Fight or Flight Response
Fight Test UK cd1


10
Yoshimi Becomes a Pink Robot
BBC radio youtube rip


11
Go-Alternate Version
Yoshimi box


12
The Colossal Gray Sunshine
BBC radio youtube rip or Faultline album version

[chuckrh]

made this playlist of tracks off the new box plus a couple i found on youtube. I only ever had the fight test cd along with my original yoshimi with the DVD, so i had heard a couple of these tracks, but putting them all together with these two extras not on the box from a BBC radio session is like a whole companion odyssey. Can't stop listening to this.



1
The Strange Design of Conscience
Fight Test US ep


2
Assassination of the Sun
Ego Tripping ep


3
I'm a Fly in a Sunbeam
Ego Tripping ep


4
Sunship Balloons
Ego Tripping ep


5
If I Go Mad/Funeral in My Head
Do You Realize CD1


6
Syrtis Major
Do You Realize CD1


7
Up Above the Daily Hum
Do You Realize CD2


8
Xanthe Terra
Do You Realize CD2


9
The Deterioration of the Fight or Flight Response
Fight Test UK cd1


10
Yoshimi Becomes a Pink Robot
BBC radio youtube rip


11
Go-Alternate Version
Yoshimi box


12
The Colossal Gray Sunshine
BBC radio youtube rip or Faultline album version



Up Above the Daily Hum is an amazing song.

[talkingnothing]

Up Above the Daily Hum is an amazing song.
So much good stuff here. If I Go Mad? oh man. I have a habit of re-organizing and curating big box sets like this into smaller more bite size things i'll actually spin regularly in my digital collection. Think I'll steal the title of that unreleased BBC track and call this companion album "Yoshimi Becomes a Pink Robot." Just feels right.

[Jord]

made this playlist of tracks off the new box plus a couple i found on youtube. I only ever had the fight test cd along with my original yoshimi with the DVD, so i had heard a couple of these tracks, but putting them all together with these two extras not on the box from a BBC radio session is like a whole companion odyssey. Can't stop listening to this.



1
The Strange Design of Conscience
Fight Test US ep


2
Assassination of the Sun
Ego Tripping ep


3
I'm a Fly in a Sunbeam
Ego Tripping ep


4
Sunship Balloons
Ego Tripping ep


5
If I Go Mad/Funeral in My Head
Do You Realize CD1


6
Syrtis Major
Do You Realize CD1


7
Up Above the Daily Hum
Do You Realize CD2


8
Xanthe Terra
Do You Realize CD2


9
The Deterioration of the Fight or Flight Response
Fight Test UK cd1


10
Yoshimi Becomes a Pink Robot
BBC radio youtube rip


11
Go-Alternate Version
Yoshimi box


12
The Colossal Gray Sunshine
BBC radio youtube rip or Faultline album version




Interesting, I had the majority of the discography but not Xanthe Terra or Syrtis Major. There's some beautiful stuff out there, Sunship Balloons is a favourite of mine.

[chuckrh]

I just scored tickets for the Lips doing all of "Yoshimi" at the zoo in August. Good venue. The ADA section is awesome but small. It appears the Lips are drawing a line in the sand at $50 for tickets. Very fair considering the elaborate show. They had some reserved seats that were more but I think that's more of a venue thing. I'm right by the stage, quite excited!

[thefragile_jake]

Got floor seats for the Yoshimi show in St. Louis! Super excited as well!

[chuckrh]

Got floor seats for the Yoshimi show in St. Louis! Super excited as well!
Glad I found the presale code. When the general onsale happened the show sold out in literally 1 minute. I just saw them in November & this will be a very different show. I've seen them a lot & they never disappoint live.

[richardp]

Haven't really enjoyed a Lips album since Embryonic, but I got a ticket to see them performe Yoshimi in full here in KC in June. That album was too important to my teenage years not to go. How was the show, those of you who've been already? Do they just do Yoshimi or do they play other older hits afterwards?

[chuckrh]

Haven't really enjoyed a Lips album since Embryonic, but I got a ticket to see them performe Yoshimi in full here in KC in June. That album was too important to my teenage years not to go. How was the show, those of you who've been already? Do they just do Yoshimi or do they play other older hits afterwards?
The show I saw last summer was fantastic. They did Yoshimi then another full set of other material. They played over 2.5 hours with no opener. You will enjoy the show!

[thefragile_jake]

Haven't really enjoyed a Lips album since Embryonic, but I got a ticket to see them performe Yoshimi in full here in KC in June. That album was too important to my teenage years not to go. How was the show, those of you who've been already? Do they just do Yoshimi or do they play other older hits afterwards?

Try American Head again! I actually went back today and listened to it and it really holds up.

Last summer's show was awesome and highly recommended!

[richardp]

Try American Head again! I actually went back today and listened to it and it really holds up.

I revisited the 4 post Embryonic studio albums over the weekend and for the most part I still found them to be fairly boring and unremarkable. American Head has the most interesting ideas on it though, and I really enjoyed Kacey Musgrave's presence on the album. Ultimately though, I just really miss when Flaming Lips made hopeful sounding fun music rather than the more depressing melancholy stuff of the past 10-15 years.

[chuckrh]

I revisited the 4 post Embryonic studio albums over the weekend and for the most part I still found them to be fairly boring and unremarkable. American Head has the most interesting ideas on it though, and I really enjoyed Kacey Musgrave's presence on the album. Ultimately though, I just really miss when Flaming Lips made hopeful sounding fun music rather than the more depressing melancholy stuff of the past 10-15 years.
I enjoy pretty much everything they put out & they've never disappointed live. Steven Drodz is 1 of my favorite musicians. BTW: Wayne was born 2 weeks before me, Henry Rollins 2 weeks after. Rockin' old guys now haha!

[thefragile_jake]

Yeah, I will say of the four post Embryonic albums ... the only one that doesn't do it for me is just Oczy Mlody. It didn't really have great focus and that album art was pretty bad, haha. I adore The Terror how desolate and depressing it is and King's Mouth feels like almost a sadder Yoshimi record. American Head is like their reflective americana-nostalgia album.

For me too, the only 1999-2009 era album that didn't do anything for me was At War With the Mystics ... outside of a few tracks anyway.

[chuckrh]

I'd love to drop Steven in with Trent/Atticus & see what came out!