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october_midnight
04-11-2019, 09:46 PM
Probably deserving of its own thread with all the news that has been announced, the start date, $7 price point, new Marvel shows, etc. Ad-free service launching Nov 12, 2019 for $6.99/month or $69.99/year. Will likely bundle it with Hulu and ESPN+ in the future.

https://twitter.com/robertiger/status/1116468755180036096?s=12

neorev
04-11-2019, 10:40 PM
They bundle Hulu with Spotify now. As for the Marvel shows announced so far, they were more like documentary shows about Marvel. Movies like Monsters Inc., The Sandlot, and Love, Simon are being turned into TV series. I read The Sandlot will have the original cast returning. The female version of High Fidelity movie turned TV series has been moved to Hulu instead of Disney+ because it is considered too adult for the family oriented content they're going for.

So far a lot of content seems to be very kiddish/young adult. Nothing so far is making want to drop more money on another streaming service.

https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/1058831-disney-unveils-launch-date

buckaroo
04-11-2019, 11:10 PM
Nothing so far is making want to drop more money on another streaming service.

Star. Wars.

Jon
04-11-2019, 11:34 PM
Nothing so far is making want to drop more money on another streaming service.

Disney Vault and all of The Simpsons.

Wretchedest
04-12-2019, 12:22 AM
Everything in 4k HDR too. It's super disruptive given the way market saturation has already hurt Netflix, Hulu and amazon

sonic_discord
04-12-2019, 12:36 AM
Seeing Star Wars: A New Hope on there give me a new hope of a cleaned up theatrical release (not just the 1997 Special Edition). Either way, I've owned the DVDs and Blu-Rays for years, but having them all digitally would also be nice.

And yes, I'm very excited to see The Mandalorian and the new Marvel shows (Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch and Vision, Loki, The Falcon & the Winter Soldier).

Jinsai
04-12-2019, 02:38 AM
I'd give it a shot. I'm actually considering cancelling some of my streaming options that I don't use enough, this might fill in a void w/ the random sort of crap I might feel inclined to consume, but not necessarily care enough about to own.

And if they put Star Wars cleaned up and unspecialized in this, boom.

Haysey
04-12-2019, 03:13 AM
Of all the streaming services i have (mainly anime) i might add this one just for the Star Wars and Marvel original shows (i'm not big on Disney animated, but i know 4 people who are and would likely love a password) though once i've caught up on the bits i want i'm not sure i'll keep it (once i caught up on the shows i wanted in Netflix i binned that)

Jord
04-12-2019, 04:12 AM
I'm definitely jumping on-board for this one, new Marvel stuff always a plus, and all of The Simpsons and Star Wars movies too, plus Pixar? A very exciting prospect for a nice price.

buckaroo
04-12-2019, 07:51 AM
Everything in 4k HDR too. It's super disruptive given the way market saturation has already hurt Netflix, Hulu and amazon

I am one of those people who just keeps paying for Netflix even though the content is terrible in my opinion. I feel like their original content has been on a downward trend for a while now. Am I the only one?

Wretchedest
04-12-2019, 07:53 AM
Totally, their original conten is like 99% terrible and also clogs the lists so you can't find anything you actually want to watch. It's only a matter of time before that catches up to them

Kodiak33
04-12-2019, 08:01 AM
I am one of those people who just keeps paying for Netflix even though the content is terrible in my opinion. I feel like their original content has been on a downward trend for a while now. Am I the only one?

You're not the only one...plus I'm now paying out the ass for 4K HDR on Netflix....like 16 bucks a month. $7 is a steal...but I bet they'll go the route of Netflix and hook everyone first, then raise it yearly by $1 or something.

onthewall2983
04-12-2019, 08:05 AM
7 bucks a month is enticing enough to me to give it a spin for a month or two. I'm more interested in seeing how Hulu will benefit from this, possibly retaining the cancelled Marvel Netflix shows and in time I'm guessing becoming the home for 20th Century Fox's movies once it's existing deal with HBO runs out in 3 years. It went from having a terrible interface and not very interesting content to a powerhouse on it's own lately.

neorev
04-12-2019, 08:18 AM
What? Netflix has great original series. Stranger Things, Black Mirror, Mindhunter, The OA, A Series Of Unfortunate Events, and more. Their original movie's are ehh, but we do still have Scorsese's mob epic coming. Netflix have some of the best original series. Hulu has 1 good series, Amazon has zero. Netflix is the only one competing with HBO for shows. I'm sorry, but Netflix is not overprices. Even HBO is $15 per month and doesn't even have 4K. Can we stop turning movies into shows? Especially when you completely recast the show. I don't under the idea behind taking a good movie and then get a bunch of other people to play the same roles. Amazon pulled that crap with their horrible Zombieland and Hanna and it's happening more often.


Disney Vault and all of The Simpsons.

I can live without watching another episode of The Simpsons for the rest of my life. Disney vault? As in their cartoons? I can pass. Star Wars and Marvel are getting boring after the same formula being regurgitated over and over and over again.


Star. Wars.
I'm sorry but watching old Star Wars movies is still not enough to continually pay a monthly fee. If you're a real Stsr Wars, you probably already own the movies in various versions. So now you're gonna pay a monthly fee to watch the same movie again. Hell I can throw an a certain app and watch Star Wars movies for free right now.

Again, Disney will just be making family oriented content, which thrilling. You won't get a show like Mindhunter on Disney+.

ltrandazzo
04-12-2019, 08:32 AM
You won't get a show like Mindhunter on Disney+.

And that's what Netflix and Hulu and Prime Video are for.

I'm a Marvel, Star Wars and NatGeo fan so this is a win for me and that price is excellent. I'll definitely get more out of it than a CBS All Access, for example.

neorev
04-12-2019, 08:39 AM
And that's what Netflix and Hulu and Prime Video are for.

I'm a Marvel, Star Wars and NatGeo fan so this is a win for me and that price is excellent. I'll definitely get more out of it than a CBS All Access, for example.

Oh man, CBS All Access is a joke. That will implode. You should read the comments on the new Twilight Zone Facebook when people discovered you needed to pay for the streaming service. It was baaaaaad.

All of these streaming services, more and more each day, it will come back to bite us the consumer on our asses and we'll be longing for the day when we had what will become cheaper cable packages we all thought was overpriced compared to when multiple streaming services take over and all raise their prices on us and surpassing a cable package. Or too many streaming services will become unsustainable and they will all have to unite to create their streaming cable service to survive. They all begin to bundle with each other. For the price of $99.99, you will get HBO Go, Netflix, Prime, Disney+, Hulu, CBS All Access, etc.

Haysey
04-12-2019, 10:26 AM
Some of these services will start falling sooner or later, we've already started having that with anime streaming (Daisuki and Veiwster are already dead, Amazons anime strike was binned (amazon continues to be trash at anime) and it's getting more splintered by the month...and it's just ONE GENRE OF MEDIA!) We have SO many new streaming services in the pipeline there's no way they'll all survive. Disney+ is the only one i can see lasting thanks to it's collection of existing content and growing catalogue, and people will always plump of Netflix as it was the original and still has some great ongoing shows, plus i can see them picking up the rights for shows caught out by some services dying.

Jon
04-12-2019, 10:41 AM
I can live without watching another episode of The Simpsons for the rest of my life. Disney vault? As in their cartoons? I can pass. Star Wars and Marvel are getting boring after the same formula being regurgitated over and over and over again....

...Again, Disney will just be making family oriented content, which thrilling. You won't get a show like Mindhunter on Disney+.

You are coming off as a very miserable person.

onthewall2983
04-12-2019, 11:31 AM
I'm not too excited about them getting all episodes of The Simpsons especially since FXX cropped older episodes to fit modern screens.

sonic_discord
04-12-2019, 12:09 PM
FXX cropped older episodes to fit modern screens.

I forgot they did that. That is a good point. Hopefully they allow you to choose between the originally broadcast 4:3 ratio and the cropped 16:9 widescreen.

marodi
04-12-2019, 02:31 PM
My question is: is it going to be available in Canada, and when? I've read somewhere that we'll get it only at the end of 2020.

If this is right, well, as Ian Malcolm so famously said: life will find a way. But when it does become available, I'll fork the 7 bucks a month for it.

In the mean time I'll keep binge watching NatGeo.

neorev
04-12-2019, 10:10 PM
You are coming off as a very miserable person.

I just rather something new. So far everything Disney+ has announced seems to rely on an existing franchises. Hell, if desperate, there's so many books out there that can be turned into series or movies. But instead we get another Star Wars or we get a movie based on Zombieland. It's all sequels or reboots.

Wretchedest
04-12-2019, 10:22 PM
I actually think the bubble will burst before long and this is actually the strongest sign yet, because of the pricing and the quality of the content.

I want to say complaints about Netflix have been piling on for a few years now. Yes they have a handful of very strong original shows and movies. That is totally true. But that represents the minority of the content they produce and now most of what they recommend is self produced content, so they're recommending stuff that might no interest at least me personally, almost 100% of the time. I have to go diggin to find something I want. Nevermind the the now rampant speculation about where the Marvel Shows will land. Netflix has hemhoragged quite a few of the better shows it had to Hulu: Sunny, Parks, 30 Rock (those are some of my favorites). So Hulu is actually decently positioned although their movie library is so bad as to be actually bizarre, that is changing a bit.

Netflix has another chief competitor in Prime, which comes as almost an extra to a service that is chiefly about something else. Prime has better movies than Hulu and decent originals, in fact I would say prime has debatably the best show "on TV" right now, Mrs. maisel. Prime probably has the most atrocious interface of the bunch. It's horrible. But you can tie the service to HBO which adds a lot of value. Criterion Channel has almost all of the art house stuff locked down.

But my point is, Netflix is already in a tough position and I don't think they even realize it. They have strong compeition and I think consumers are already feeling the market saturation and will cut something at the moment it feels expendable.

And this thing, Disney+, is all hits, in super high quality at a fraction of the price. If we're talking about an average household and they get one or two of these services, I think Netflix gets the Axe.

Space Suicide
04-12-2019, 10:28 PM
I'd only use it for original Star Wars content. I have no interest in anything else they have to offer and what does interest me I own on DVD/blu-ray.

bobbie solo
04-13-2019, 03:33 AM
i'll keep torrenting everything under the sun and use my mom and brother's Netflix & Prime login's on occasion.

Frozen Beach
04-13-2019, 08:01 AM
I love prime and it is the service I use the most. It has a lot of b movies/horror films/foreign films you wouldn't think would be on it.

elevenism
04-13-2019, 08:25 AM
The answer is Plex.

theimage13
04-13-2019, 09:43 AM
The answer is Plex.

Best $75 I ever spent.

allegate
04-13-2019, 11:54 AM
I'm not too excited about them getting all episodes of The Simpsons especially since FXX cropped older episodes to fit modern screens.

Netflix did that with Malcolm in the Middle. Bad bad stupid decision.

Frozen Beach
04-13-2019, 10:58 PM
Netflix did that with Malcolm in the Middle. Bad bad stupid decision.
Malcom in the middle isn't cropped for widescreen. The problem is it ISN'T cropped for 4:3, which is why on the widescreen version, you can see errors on the side of the frame.

SM Rollinger
04-13-2019, 11:45 PM
Malcom in the middle isn't cropped for widescreen. The problem is it ISN'T cropped for 4:3, which is why on the widescreen version, you can see errors on the side of the frame.

Shows that aired in 4:3 originally should never be cropped for widescreen, period.

Dragonball Z and the first 3 seasons of the X Files are some of the worst offenders.

Frozen Beach
04-14-2019, 12:19 AM
Shows that aired in 4:3 originally should never be cropped for widescreen, period.

Dragonball Z and the first 3 seasons of the X Files are some of the worst offenders.

I disagree with X Files. It was very well done. Both should be available, however.

If you want a truly bad example, look at Buffy The Vampire Slayer.

sonic_discord
04-14-2019, 11:47 AM
They will also have a show about Hulk and She-Hulk that features Mark Ruffalo as well as a Monsters, Inc. spin-off show featuring Billy Crystal and John Goodman reprising their respective roles. Disney seems to be going all in on this. It seems like every day I'm hearing about yet another new show that'll be on Disney+.

allegate
04-14-2019, 12:32 PM
Seriously? Like, just last night I was wondering how they'd introduce She-Hulk in the movies and you're telling me there's a show? Cool.

OK, so what's stopping Universal from partnering with Disney to make a Hulk movie? I don't know the specifics of the deal, something about solo movies, but I think that after seeing them work with Sony on Spider-Man that Universal would be amenable.

Haysey
04-15-2019, 05:47 AM
Wait...She-Hulk is coming...SERIOUSLY...DISNEY LISTENED TO ME?!

eversonpoe
04-15-2019, 01:44 PM
I'm not too excited about them getting all episodes of The Simpsons especially since FXX cropped older episodes to fit modern screens.

from what i have experienced, they give you the option in the settings menu on the app for how you want to watch the older episodes (zoomed or 4:3 with pillar box)

onthewall2983
04-15-2019, 01:49 PM
If this is aiming to be shown in 4K, then they might keep the old episodes at the original AR.

Somewhat unrelated but I'm noticing that HBO is showing more and more films in their original AR, as opposed to pan-and-scan them like they've done forever. The whole argument about black bars is as antiquated as the old tube televisions that facilitated that point to begin with, and hopefully that's what HBO is getting hip to now.

Jon
04-15-2019, 07:37 PM
If this is aiming to be shown in 4K, then they might keep the old episodes at the original AR.

Somewhat unrelated but I'm noticing that HBO is showing more and more films in their original AR, as opposed to pan-and-scan them like they've done forever. The whole argument about black bars is as antiquated as the old tube televisions that facilitated that point to begin with, and hopefully that's what HBO is getting hip to now.

I'm of the (more extreme) opinion that changing the aspect ratio is destroying the director and/or cinematographer's original intent. Ultimately, you take what you're given with certain releases, especially for home media.

I read a few articles that claim Disney (through ESPN+ and Hulu) plan to lose a little over $2 billion dollars this next year just to get this thing off the ground and be competitive with Netflix.

Mantra
04-15-2019, 09:54 PM
Yeah, the $7/month price tag is just a loss leader.

Wretchedest
04-15-2019, 10:37 PM
The price tag looks like a knockout punch in households where people have one or two services

neorev
04-21-2019, 03:11 PM
The Rise of Netflix Competitors Has Pushed Consumers Back Toward Piracy

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/d3q45v/bittorrent-usage-increases-netflix-streaming-sites?utm_source=dmfb&fbclid=IwAR0I82IcYsMl87eQd8eKAAb4ekXv844MuAJKcCA6t FN-ARgQD6RINaQJClU

neorev
04-23-2019, 09:18 AM
Disney+ Content Lineup Will Be Less Than 20% of Netflix’s but Disney Has Higher-Rated Titles
https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/disney-netflix-streaming-content-comparison-1203193967/

onthewall2983
04-23-2019, 10:45 AM
To be fair, their competitors have a lot of crap no one would watch if they weren't on Netflix or something else.

neorev
04-24-2019, 08:31 PM
Disney+ platform won’t include “racially insensitive” scenes from classic movies

https://www.nme.com/news/film/disney-wont-include-racially-insensitive-scenes-classic-movies-2480370

Wretchedest
04-24-2019, 09:37 PM
I read a list of things *leaving* Netflix in May, and on it were a bunch of movies I would have liked to check out but had no idea we're on Netflix because of the way the algorithm has prevented me from seeing almost everything they have that they didn't produce.

GulDukat
04-25-2019, 09:16 AM
Disney+ platform won’t include “racially insensitive” scenes from classic movies

https://www.nme.com/news/film/disney-wont-include-racially-insensitive-scenes-classic-movies-2480370As far as the original Dumbo is concerned, release it as is or don't release it at all. Cutting the crow scene is fucking stupid.

neorev
04-25-2019, 09:52 AM
As far as the original Dumbo is concerned, release it as is or don't release it at all. Cutting the crow scene is fucking stupid.

I'm afraid how far Disney is gonna go with this. This is only the beginning and they'll probably be recutting many more movies.

GulDukat
04-25-2019, 10:03 AM
I'm afraid how far Disney is gonna go with this. This is only the beginning and they'll probably be recutting many more movies.They could have someone give an introduction to the movie and explain why the scene is considered racist and offensive, give it some historical context. Cutting it completely is taking something uncomfortable and sweeping it under the rug.

Jon
04-25-2019, 11:22 AM
They could have someone give an introduction to the movie and explain why the scene is considered racist and offensive, give it some historical context. Cutting it completely is taking something uncomfortable and sweeping it under the rug.

This is exactly what they should have done, considering they already have precedent for doing this sort of thing. The "Treasures (https://www.amazon.com/Walt-Disney-Treasures-Chronological-Donald/dp/B0000BWVAG?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-ffab-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B0000BWVAG)" line of DVD releases had introductions by Leonard Maltin, providing historical context.

onthewall2983
04-25-2019, 11:47 AM
Warner Brothers did the same for some of the DVDs of their old cartoons too.

Hopefully if this gains enough traction someone can put together a petition for them not to do this.

Wretchedest
04-25-2019, 12:55 PM
I don't think cutting it is sweeping it under the rug. It's proactively eliminating it from the work because it's a problem. A 4 year old kid isn't going to want to watch Leonard Maltin or have a clue what the fuck he's talking about.

I'm sure if someone need to see these scenes, for whatever reason, they're available in some other medium.

GulDukat
04-25-2019, 01:11 PM
I don't think cutting it is sweeping it under the rug. It's proactively eliminating it from the work because it's a problem. A 4 year old kid isn't going to want to watch Leonard Maltin or have a clue what the fuck he's talking about.

I'm sure if someone need to see these scenes, for whatever reason, they're available in some other medium.An introduction wouldn't be for a four year old, it would be for say ten and up, who make up a massive amount of people watching the movie. Cutting the scene is wrong not only because it is sweeping a problematic scene under the rug, it also changes a work that's already been released to the public (see George Lucas), and it ruins the movie, as the crow scene is pivotal and the story and would be confusing without it. The crows are the ones that tell Dumbo he can fly. Don't fuck with it or don't re-release it at all.

neorev
04-25-2019, 04:04 PM
I watched Dumbo as a child and guess what? The crow scene didn't make me a racist. It is stupid to cut it and honestly folks should see what Disney allowed back in the day and they shouldn't be able to hide and remove their past mistakes. It would be better for there to be an opening statement before the movie begins about the scene.

Wretchedest
04-25-2019, 06:21 PM
I think the notion that these are some complete works of art that can't be tweaked in service of either a singular vision or the preservation or observation of how things were made. Dumbo for instance is a children's cartoon, nobody is going to give a fuck if it's missing one stupidly racist scene even if it does vaguely fuck with the continuity.

It doesn't violate whatever shred of artistic integrity these movies might have. I also think it's absurd to compare this to what George Lucas did to star wars, a move based on ego and self consciousness, mostly oriented at special effects. This is a change eliminating a racist characature from a work which is simply the right thing to do.

It's not even close to Erasure, as isn't the removal of a Confederate statue. These scenes, and these ideas, and Disney's legacy are extraordinarily public and viewable through other media, they couldn't bury that past even if they really wanted to. Even the signal of the intention means it isn't Erasure, it's the elimination of something that needs to be eliminated, absolutely mercilessly.

GulDukat
04-25-2019, 07:07 PM
If you want to be consistent there are a lot of old movies that are racist/sexist. Why stop with Dumbo? Gone With the Wind is far worse. James Bond movies/novels? Can't watch those either. I would say just edit the offensive content but you wouldn't be left with much of a movie.

onthewall2983
04-25-2019, 08:33 PM
Comcast thinking about selling off it's 30% share to Disney. (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/25/comcast-is-pondering-a-sale-of-its-minority-stake-in-hulu-to-disney.html) This could have significant meaning to what will go on Disney+ and Hulu, which could be fashioned as the home of Disney's more mature programming along with the broader Fox catalog.

Jon
04-25-2019, 09:58 PM
I think the notion that these are some complete works of art that can't be tweaked in service of either a singular vision or the preservation or observation of how things were made. Dumbo for instance is a children's cartoon, nobody is going to give a fuck if it's missing one stupidly racist scene even if it does vaguely fuck with the continuity.

It doesn't violate whatever shred of artistic integrity these movies might have. I also think it's absurd to compare this to what George Lucas did to star wars, a move based on ego and self consciousness, mostly oriented at special effects. This is a change eliminating a racist characature from a work which is simply the right thing to do.

It's not even close to Erasure, as isn't the removal of a Confederate statue. These scenes, and these ideas, and Disney's legacy are extraordinarily public and viewable through other media, they couldn't bury that past even if they really wanted to. Even the signal of the intention means it isn't Erasure, it's the elimination of something that needs to be eliminated, absolutely mercilessly.

Just so we're clear: by "absolutely mercilessly" you mean without context, yes?

Wretchedest
04-26-2019, 03:28 PM
There's enormous context that's my whole fucking point is that even if you present the film on its own it doesn't exist in a vacuum.

There's definitely a case to be made that this should be done where films are being presented like this where possible. I haven't seen Dumbo since I was like 2, but from what I understand the racial issues boil down to these few characters in a small amount of time that is easily removed from the movie. A movie where that really isn't going to tarnish whatever artisitic merit a few people think it has.

Gone With the Wind, I have not seen at all I have some understanding of what ots about, one reason why I haven't seen it actually, from my understanding it issues are much broader and pervasive throughout, and can't be cut with just a scene. On the other hand being an old, long drama it doesn't run the same risk as Dumbo as being presented to children unable to grasp those nuances.

The prime offender for James Bond I would assume to be You Only Live Twice. I actually do think it's most chiefly offensive sequence might be removable, although there might be some more subtle issues throughout that are inextricable. There's a case to be made that this component of the movie makes it transparently stupid, but that nuance is difficult for some. The pervasive mysogyny in the series is another story. It's not just one 3 minute sequence in given movie, it's indemic. It can't be removed. So how do you deal with it? I don't know. That's a different cultural scale, I don't think a lot of people really care about Dumbo, but there's absolutely a lot of attachment to James Bond. James Bond is absolutely a sort representive or even influential icon of toxic masculinity, a notion that we as a culture are barely capable of having a conversation about. There's maybe a bit of chicken and egg situation as far as... As we grow up, maybe we will care less about that series. But it's much more complex than removing a given character or scene.

neorev
05-01-2019, 10:56 PM
Ron Howard is in Talks To Make a Willow Sequel Series For Disney+
https://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/1064021-ron-howard-is-in-talks-to-make-a-willow-sequel-series-for-disney

sonic_discord
05-02-2019, 12:10 AM
Here's a list of what will be available on day 1. (https://www.gamespot.com/articles/disney-heres-whats-available-on-day-1/1100-6466202/?ftag=GSS-05-10aaa0a)

Haysey
05-02-2019, 03:20 AM
Here's a list of what will be available on day 1. (https://www.gamespot.com/articles/disney-heres-whats-available-on-day-1/1100-6466202/?ftag=GSS-05-10aaa0a)

...wait, so they are going to have Avengers Endgame, Iron Man and Iron Man 3...that's it? No Infinity War? No Iron Man 2?...that seems odd.

ltrandazzo
05-02-2019, 10:34 AM
...wait, so they are going to have Avengers Endgame, Iron Man and Iron Man 3...that's it? No Infinity War? No Iron Man 2?...that seems odd.

You can watch Iron Man 2 on Hulu right now for some reason. Infinity War will still be on Netflix when Disney+ launches, I believe.

bobbie solo
05-02-2019, 10:54 AM
...wait, so they are going to have Avengers Endgame, Iron Man and Iron Man 3...that's it? No Infinity War? No Iron Man 2?...that seems odd.

existing contracts.

sonic_discord
05-02-2019, 10:56 AM
...wait, so they are going to have Avengers Endgame, Iron Man and Iron Man 3...that's it? No Infinity War? No Iron Man 2?...that seems odd.

I'm sure they will eventually find their way there. Also notably absent is Star Wars: The Last Jedi.

Haysey
05-02-2019, 11:13 AM
Ahhh you're all very much correct, thank you. It'll be awhile before Disney have all there movies fully in house for whatever contractual reasons.

GulDukat
05-04-2019, 06:04 PM
I just saw The Black Hole for the first time in ages. Maybe Disney's bleakest movie.

onthewall2983
05-14-2019, 01:10 PM
Disney takes full control of Hulu "effective immediately" (https://deadline.com/2019/05/disney-gains-control-of-hulu-in-landmark-deal-with-comcast-1202614392), now with a "put/call" agreement with Comcast/NBC/Universal until 2024.

bobbie solo
05-14-2019, 02:58 PM
Not good. Disney buying Fox has been and will continue to be a disaster. Never should have made it past a judge in court.

sonic_discord
05-14-2019, 03:54 PM
This comes as no surprise to me whatsoever. It's exactly what I've expected them to do once the Fox acquisition rumor gained steam.

onthewall2983
05-14-2019, 03:56 PM
It's not great, but it doesn't seem to be too bad especially if they can market the Fox/FX stuff through it, separate from Disney+ which is appealing more directly to kids/families. Plus it sounds like they are going to keep a lot of what they have already, certainly content from Universal through 2024.

onthewall2983
08-19-2019, 11:58 AM
My question is: is it going to be available in Canada, and when? I've read somewhere that we'll get it only at the end of 2020.

You'll be getting it on the same day it launches (https://deadline.com/2019/08/disney-international-launches-1202671080)

marodi
08-20-2019, 06:22 PM
^^
Thank you so much! :)

onthewall2983
09-12-2019, 06:05 PM
Just launched in the Netherlands (https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/d32r60/disney_just_launched_with_a_2_month_free_trial_in)

allegate
10-15-2019, 11:22 AM
very important twitter thread:

https://twitter.com/NotOnDisneyPlus/status/1183784145992011776

neorev
10-29-2019, 04:43 PM
Disney Is Quietly Placing Classic Fox Movies Into Its Vault, and That’s Worrying
https://www.vulture.com/amp/2019/10/disney-is-quietly-placing-classic-fox-movies-into-its-vault.html

Rdm
10-29-2019, 07:02 PM
For me after I see a marvel movie I don’t need to see it again, as for Star Wars pass, Disney movies no. I’ll pass

allegate
11-08-2019, 02:54 PM
Coming to Amazon devices!


https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/7/20954072/disney-plus-amazon-fire-tv-deal-agreement-launchI was getting worried I'd have to buy another box for this one thing. whew.

Haysey
11-12-2019, 03:41 AM
Disney+ confirmed not coming to UK until March 31st...welp guess i'm hunting for some torrents for the Mandalorian :eek:

Self.Destructive.Pattern
11-12-2019, 11:28 AM
People completely losing their shit on Twitter is nothing short of hilarious for the app not functioning literally HOURS after its release.

Shadaloo
11-12-2019, 04:51 PM
Darkwing Duck and Gargoyles trending on Twitter makes me smile.

Also: #Maclunkey FTW. Bless George Lucas.

allegate
11-12-2019, 05:03 PM
So George did indeed Change that scene but added that word. We’ve heard that word before


https://twitter.com/swankmotron/status/1194310850695200768

Toadflax
11-12-2019, 05:27 PM
Finally watching Zootopia for the first time and very much looking forward to checking out The Mandalorian tonight.

The site is lacking from some obvious features like a "Continue Watching" option on startup and a way to tell it what you've seen / haven't seen / like / don't like, but it seems decent for launch day.

allegate
11-12-2019, 05:46 PM
what are you talking about? you're supposed to like everything there, it's Disney for Pete's sake.

Conan The Barbarian
11-12-2019, 08:36 PM
4k Star Wars means closer for harmy and crew to work and release a 4k despecialized edition.

Conan The Barbarian
11-12-2019, 08:45 PM
4k Star Wars means closer for harmy and crew to work and release a 4k despecialized edition.

onthewall2983
11-12-2019, 11:04 PM
First thing I watched


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq49DqLxdWc

Space Suicide
11-12-2019, 11:11 PM
Ah yes, the next step for an entertainment monopoly for Disney begins today.

I still might check out the Mandalorian but only as a free trial when all episodes air. Meh.

bobbie solo
11-13-2019, 03:56 PM
using my brother's account for the free year he got through Verizon. Where did I start? Well...perhaps you had better start from the beginning (name the song that used this sample!)

https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/mickey-mouse-steamboat-willie-gif-6.gif

elevenism
11-13-2019, 05:32 PM
is there no Mandalorian thread yet? it was so fucking awesome, the first episode

eversonpoe
11-13-2019, 06:34 PM
using my brother's account for the free year he got through Verizon. Where did I start? Well..."perhaps you had better start from the beginning" (name the song that used this sample!)

https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/mickey-mouse-steamboat-willie-gif-6.gif

isn't it a white zombie song?

allegate
11-13-2019, 06:57 PM
Astro-Creep 2000:
Sample overview[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Astro-Creep:_2000_%E2%80%93_Songs_of_Love,_Destruction_a nd_Other_Synthetic_Delusions_of_the_Electric_Head&action=edit&section=7)]

#
Title
Samples[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astro-Creep:_2000_%E2%80%93_Songs_of_Love,_Destruction_a nd_Other_Synthetic_Delusions_of_the_Electric_Head# cite_note-20)


1
"Electric Head Pt. 1 (The Agony)"


"Perhaps you had better start from the beginning" is taken from the 1957 horror film (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horror_film) The Curse of Frankenstein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Curse_of_Frankenstein).

Jinsai
11-13-2019, 07:04 PM
Mandalorian is fucking great

eversonpoe
11-14-2019, 12:17 AM
Mandalorian is fucking great

100% agreed

awesome design? check
fantastic score? check
some amazing cameos? check (especially brian posehn haha)
that old "star wars" feeling mixed with a gritty, darker tone? check

some of the CGI is a bit rough, but it's not unbearable. i much prefer the little bits of puppetry we got, especially salacious crumb's cousin in a cage.
IG-11 was particularly awesome. i love taika waititi so much.
and can we talk about how fucking adorable that baby yoda was!?!? i still don't think we've ever found out the name of yoda's species, but whatever it is, they're so freakin' cute when they're tiny!

Self.Destructive.Pattern
11-14-2019, 12:39 AM
Costume design is so on point. Everything oozes Star Wars from the environment, down to the practical effects. Really hope we see more of Waititi's character!

bobbie solo
11-14-2019, 02:02 AM
anyone using the app through a PS4? Can't get the subtitles to actually appear on screen even when activated.








I have spoken.

Haysey
11-14-2019, 03:40 AM
OK quick question, do you think i'd be able to use it with a VPN?

dlb
11-14-2019, 08:32 AM
Mandalorian certainly looks good, but the story for this was a bit wonky I have to say. Loved Werner Herzog in this and I really really adore the design for our title character mixed with the Star Wars/Spaghetti Western/Blade Runner soundtrack.

I guess if you liked Rogue One this is just for you and I can't wait for more. Just wished the episode lasted maybe 20 minutes longer. 38 minutes was a tad too short for my taste.

october_midnight
11-14-2019, 09:27 AM
100% agreed

awesome design? check
fantastic score? check
some amazing cameos? check (especially brian posehn haha)
that old "star wars" feeling mixed with a gritty, darker tone? check

some of the CGI is a bit rough, but it's not unbearable. i much prefer the little bits of puppetry we got, especially salacious crumb's cousin in a cage.
IG-11 was particularly awesome. i love taika waititi so much.
and can we talk about how fucking adorable that baby yoda was!?!? i still don't think we've ever found out the name of yoda's species, but whatever it is, they're so freakin' cute when they're tiny!

Agreed with pretty much everything. I was thinking about a few plot points...

I don't think the IG unit was sent by Herzog's character, but rather someone else. He wanted the baby Yoda (no, in canon they've never said what the race is called) preferably alive, though the IG unit's main directive upon sight was to kill it. Perhaps two factions going after the same being, and my theory is of course the fact that it's most likely EXTREMELY force-sensitive. I think it was in Clone Wars (?) where everyone was going around kidnapping force-sensitive babies and children to harness their power.

I loved the first episode and can't wait until tomorrow to see the second, just wish it was longer than 38 minutes...it seemed to fly by.

Also, Dyn Jarren is a more badass name than Boba Fett. Don't @ me.

allegate
11-14-2019, 12:31 PM
Speaking of names...

https://twitter.com/tumblingsaber/status/1195005071022600192

buckaroo
11-14-2019, 12:35 PM
I thought the first episode was good. I am much more excited for the potential of the season now. Does anyone know if new episodes will be available at midnight?

october_midnight
11-14-2019, 02:16 PM
Speaking of names...

https://twitter.com/tumblingsaber/status/1195005071022600192

Yeah Bill confirmed it a few months ago, probably just another once scene cameo like we saw with Posehn and Nolte.

As for episode 2, the first dropped at something like 3am PT so I'd assume it's the same for tomorrow.

eachpassingphase
11-14-2019, 02:31 PM
My husband and kids are very excited about Star Wars and the Disney cartoons, but I didn't realize that National Geographic content would be on Disney+ too! I'm watching "Before the Flood" right now for the first time.

Self.Destructive.Pattern
11-14-2019, 02:40 PM
anyone using the app through a PS4? Can't get the subtitles to actually appear on screen even when activated.








I have spoken.

The app on PS4 works smoothly... Then it doesn't. It definitely needs some work for fluent play without little problems here and there. I re-downloaded the app for the subtitle problem and it worked.

ryanmcfly
11-14-2019, 02:51 PM
Digging the streaming service so far. We watched The Lady and the Tramp remake last night and it was cute, but nothing spectacular.

I loved the first episode of the Mandalorian. My only gripe is how short it was. I was really expecting it to be 40-55 minutes long.

Conan The Barbarian
11-14-2019, 03:47 PM
Watching all the old character shorts brings me back to my childhood. I am happy this service exists.

Self.Destructive.Pattern
11-14-2019, 06:08 PM
Watching all the old character shorts brings me back to my childhood. I am happy this service exists.

This. Also being able to watch a Playlist of the old X-men and Spidey shows and fall asleep to them is nothing short of amazing.

versusreality
11-14-2019, 07:12 PM
you guys have convinced me. I'll probably order it within the next two weeks.

richardp
11-14-2019, 07:19 PM
Being able to watch BRINK again was worth price of admission alone.

eversonpoe
11-15-2019, 12:28 AM
Being able to watch BRINK again was worth price of admission alone.

i had such a crush on erik von detten haha

he's...definitely not as cute as he used to be

dlb
11-15-2019, 03:58 AM
Hope a release date for Disney+ over here is coming soon. There are alot of shows I would love to see again in good quality. Especially Gargoyles for guilty pleausre, but apart from that there are quite a few original series that are intruiging.

Then again... I rarely watch Netflix these days, although there is plenty I have to watch. Shit's getting expensive with amazon, Netflix, Spotify and now Disney...

ryanmcfly
11-15-2019, 11:10 AM
Being able to watch BRINK again was worth price of admission alone.

I loved some of the Disney Channel original movies as a kid. I'll probably rewatch a few of them like Can of Worms, Halloweentown, Brink!, and Smart House. Can't wait to see how terribly some of these aged.

allegate
11-15-2019, 12:22 PM
started a show last night but it only played the voices, none of the music or sound effects were working. wtf kind of glitch is that?

imail724
11-15-2019, 01:35 PM
started a show last night but it only played the voices, none of the music or sound effects were working. wtf kind of glitch is that?
Haven't experienced that. Did you try a different show/movie or try it on a different device? I've been using D+ on my FireTV and haven't really had any issues so far aside from the lack of 4k and 5.1, but that seems to just be missing functionality, not an issue with the service itself.

allegate
11-15-2019, 01:40 PM
I did - right after that was Mando and it worked great. just a weird bug.

Self.Destructive.Pattern
11-15-2019, 04:12 PM
Seems every platform has a different bug or glitch. For me, the functionality has been progressively better by the day; mainly on my PS4.

bobbie solo
11-16-2019, 02:33 AM
started a show last night but it only played the voices, none of the music or sound effects were working. wtf kind of glitch is that?

probably an issue with the 5.1 encoding, and it wouldn't necessarily matter whether you were listening to it in 5.1 or not.

versusreality
11-16-2019, 05:13 AM
is there a "continue watching" tab? if not, does it let you pick up from where you left off? (haven't ordered it just yet)

onthewall2983
11-16-2019, 06:50 PM
No, unless you put what you are watching in the app's watchlist. But you can pick up where you left off.

versusreality
11-16-2019, 08:39 PM
thanks

Conan The Barbarian
11-16-2019, 09:35 PM
So I’m sitting with my daughter watching the original dumbo when I completely forgot about the sad moment with his mom. Fuckin a that tore me up. My wife came in asking if I was right, I just told her “Fucking Disney, man”.

eversonpoe
11-16-2019, 11:11 PM
So I’m sitting with my daughter watching the original dumbo when I completely forgot about the sad moment with his mom. Fuckin a that tore me up. My wife came in asking if I was right, I just told her “Fucking Disney, man”.

for some reason, my good friend's sister played "baby mine" at his wedding (per his request). everyone​ was crying.

theimage13
11-17-2019, 05:29 PM
By any chance, has anyone watched Boogedy yet? Really, really curious to know if it looks good as compared to other options that have been around lately.

Jinsai
11-17-2019, 06:10 PM
also, you can upgrade your Hulu to add Disney + for an extra buck a month, and get ESPN+ too if that's your thing.

allegate
11-17-2019, 09:52 PM
can you go the other direction? If you have D+ can you add Hulu?

Kodiak33
11-18-2019, 08:25 AM
also, you can upgrade your Hulu to add Disney + for an extra buck a month, and get ESPN+ too if that's your thing.

I bet I can't do that with the Hulu/Spotify deal at $10 per month...or can I?

eversonpoe
11-18-2019, 10:39 AM
also, you can upgrade your Hulu to add Disney + for an extra buck a month, and get ESPN+ too if that's your thing.

are you fucking kidding me???​ why wasn't that advertised (or e-mailed out by hulu!?). if i had known i wouldn't have to drop so much money for the three-year subscription to disney+ all at once, i never would have done it. god damnit.

PhoenixML
11-18-2019, 11:51 AM
So my kids watched Aladdin 2&3, Little Mermaid 2, and Lion King 2 twice. Fun time.

Jinsai
11-18-2019, 03:30 PM
I bet I can't do that with the Hulu/Spotify deal at $10 per month...or can I?

I think you need to have Hulu with no ads, that's it, which you can upgrade to with the Spotify deal I believe.


are you fucking kidding me???​ why wasn't that advertised (or e-mailed out by hulu!?). if i had known i wouldn't have to drop so much money for the three-year subscription to disney+ all at once, i never would have done it. god damnit.

I just found out about it before my trial expired. It's still a decent price, but maybe call their help line and they can work it out with you.


can you go the other direction? If you have D+ can you add Hulu?

I think so... it's a little confusing but it considers them all a similar login if you go through the right portal. it's really weird that none of it is managed like a normal add-on subscription via Hulu.

neorev
11-18-2019, 05:34 PM
Off to a great start...

THOUSANDS OF DISNEY+ CUSTOMERS HAVE HAD THEIR ACCOUNTS HACKED AND PUT UP ON THE DARK WEB
https://www.nme.com/news/film/thousands-of-disney-customers-have-had-their-accounts-hacked-2569113

People have also had their account info changed on them.

eversonpoe
11-19-2019, 01:20 AM
Off to a great start...

THOUSANDS OF DISNEY+ CUSTOMERS HAVE HAD THEIR ACCOUNTS HACKED AND PUT UP ON THE DARK WEB
https://www.nme.com/news/film/thousands-of-disney-customers-have-had-their-accounts-hacked-2569113

People have also had their account info changed on them.

cool. cool. cool cool cool.

fuck.

theimage13
11-20-2019, 02:34 PM
Off to a great start...

THOUSANDS OF DISNEY+ CUSTOMERS HAVE HAD THEIR ACCOUNTS HACKED AND PUT UP ON THE DARK WEB
https://www.nme.com/news/film/thousands-of-disney-customers-have-had-their-accounts-hacked-2569113

People have also had their account info changed on them.

No one has had their account "hacked". Morons who use the same password for every single account and have already had that information breached in the past have - unsurprisingly - had their credentials guessed by simple bots that take pre-existing lists and try them on other services.

This "hack" didn't happen to you unless you're using passwords that were already stolen from other phishing expeditions.

edit: just to clarify, the accounts were not compromised due to a lack of security on Disney's part; they were stolen using simple tricks that can ONLY be stopped by using common-sense practices on the user's end. I'm not victim-blaming anyone because it's still the thieves' fault, but the users, not Disney, are the ones who bear the burden of making their accounts accessible to nefarious actors in the first place.

eversonpoe
11-20-2019, 02:45 PM
No one has had their account "hacked". Morons who use the same password for every single account and have already had that information breached in the past have - unsurprisingly - had their credentials guessed by simple bots that take pre-existing lists and try them on other services.

This "hack" didn't happen to you unless you're using passwords that were already stolen from other phishing expeditions.

edit: just to clarify, the accounts were not compromised due to a lack of security on Disney's part; they were stolen using simple tricks that can ONLY be stopped by using common-sense practices on the user's end. I'm not victim-blaming anyone because it's still the thieves' fault, but the users, not Disney, are the ones who bear the burden of making their accounts accessible to nefarious actors in the first place.

PS in case anyone doesn't know, the most secure passwords are not some bullshit combo of random letters and symbols, they're three unrelated words in a row. chickenballsurfing for example (you're welcome).

theimage13
11-20-2019, 02:50 PM
PS in case anyone doesn't know, the most secure passwords are not some bullshit combo of random letters and symbols, they're three unrelated words in a row. chickenballsurfing for example (you're welcome).

Do you have a source? I'd genuinely be interested in reading the explanation. (I'd heard in the past that something like a short phrase was "just as safe" as a totally random letter / number / symbol combo, but didn't get an explanation to why. My understanding has always been that anything with real words is relatively insecure because of "dictionary attacks".)

eversonpoe
11-20-2019, 03:03 PM
Do you have a source? I'd genuinely be interested in reading the explanation. (I'd heard in the past that something like a short phrase was "just as safe" as a totally random letter / number / symbol combo, but didn't get an explanation to why. My understanding has always been that anything with real words is relatively insecure because of "dictionary attacks".)

i don't remember but i was told about it while taking a networking class. wish i had a linkable source.

allegate
11-20-2019, 03:03 PM
PS in case anyone doesn't know, the most secure passwords are not some bullshit combo of random letters and symbols, they're three unrelated words in a row. chickenballsurfing for example (you're welcome).
*takes notes*

Didn't work guys, it's not his password.

allegate
11-20-2019, 03:04 PM
Do you have a source? I'd genuinely be interested in reading the explanation. (I'd heard in the past that something like a short phrase was "just as safe" as a totally random letter / number / symbol combo, but didn't get an explanation to why. My understanding has always been that anything with real words is relatively insecure because of "dictionary attacks".)
There's an xkcd for that:

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/password_strength.png

theimage13
11-20-2019, 03:14 PM
All right, this got me going down a rabbit hole, and now I'm on howsecureismypassword.net

According to them, the password "not password" would take 55 years for a computer to crack. Huh. (And before you try it, correcthorsebatterystaple would be guessed "almost instantly", with the comic above cited as evidence).

Sorry, this is wayyyyyy off topic.

eversonpoe
11-20-2019, 05:46 PM
There's an xkcd for that:

THAT WAS MY SOURCE! hahahahah thank you for remembering what i didn't!

october_midnight
12-03-2019, 02:41 PM
Milking it for literally everything it's worth...there will now be a Star Wars themed game show hosted by Ahmed Best on Disney+ in 2020. (https://io9.gizmodo.com/ahmed-best-is-hosting-a-star-wars-game-show-on-disney-1840173857)

allegate
12-03-2019, 02:51 PM
https://twitter.com/Scott_Bromley/status/1201911605413330944

the dude doing it is a huge game show nerd and won an emmy for the Arrested Development skit on the Star Wars Show so I think it's in good hands at this point.

Also bringing in Ahmed Best after the shit he's gotten is a definite........

*puts on shades*

+.

october_midnight
12-03-2019, 03:52 PM
Also bringing in Ahmed Best after the shit he's gotten is a definite........

*puts on shades*

+.

Delete this.

eversonpoe
12-04-2019, 12:29 AM
Delete this.

https://media.giphy.com/media/PcTzEWBzqiL5u/giphy.gif

uhYEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH

october_midnight
03-09-2020, 08:27 PM
Son of a bitch. Disney was quietly working on a new TRON series (https://nerdist.com/article/tron-series-scrapped-disney-plus/?fbclid=IwAR34op_nZzieAdEgyyfsrDt9yHrKejN2_nPUsah0 jTo8TDoCnXmnnEDVT2U) for Disney+ but it's apparently already been scrapped. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

eversonpoe
03-10-2020, 03:50 PM
Son of a bitch. Disney was quietly working on a new TRON series (https://nerdist.com/article/tron-series-scrapped-disney-plus/?fbclid=IwAR34op_nZzieAdEgyyfsrDt9yHrKejN2_nPUsah0 jTo8TDoCnXmnnEDVT2U) for Disney+ but it's apparently already been scrapped. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

https://media0.giphy.com/media/qilPKODIJZUgo/source.gif

allegate
08-04-2020, 05:26 PM
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1290754439641432065

Black Widow next?

Jinsai
08-04-2020, 07:42 PM
well, while I'm sure it's either good or sad news for the fifteen or so people who were actually really excited to see the movie adaptation of Mulan, but I'm still wondering what the final tally is going to be when Disney starts calculating its losses. I'm sure they can counterbalance it with the fact that Disney+ subscriptions are certainly boosted because of the pandemic, how much money is Disney losing every day Disneyland (and the other Disney parks around the world) remain closed?

Even considering how much power and money Disney has, they can't survive this if it's going to realistically last 3 years.

bobbie solo
08-05-2020, 03:44 AM
well, while I'm sure it's either good or sad news for the fifteen or so people who were actually really excited to see the movie adaptation of Mulan, but I'm still wondering what the final tally is going to be when Disney starts calculating its losses. I'm sure they can counterbalance it with the fact that Disney+ subscriptions are certainly boosted because of the pandemic, how much money is Disney losing every day Disneyland (and the other Disney parks around the world) remain closed?

Even considering how much power and money Disney has, they can't survive this if it's going to realistically last 3 years.

I think you're underestimating Disney's pockets. They will be fine no matter how things shake out with Covid. They bath in money. Think about ALL the revenue streams they have. It's staggering.

bobbie solo
08-05-2020, 03:46 AM
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1290754439641432065

Black Widow next?

Yep. $29.99 on Disney Plus in November.

Or immediately available bootlegged in full 4K/1080P everywhere else.

Haysey
08-05-2020, 05:08 AM
This...really sucks for me. I was really looking forward to this, but i just cannot in the current climate justify £30 (on top of Disney +) to watch a 2 hour film on my 720p PC monitor.

I get they have priced it as a family going to the cinema (around $30-40 for the trip) but i cannot imagine many will swallow this for a live action remake of a film many didn't ask for. Also many are struggling, families included, i'd imagine a lot will see the price and just say "lets watch something else...like the animated version"

I see this as a test from Disney to see just how viable going straight to VOD will be, releasing on their own terms...but this will suck for cinemas. Going to the cinema (before the ass sucking of 202 started!) was one of the few times i was able to get out my flat, and the thought of that vanishing really...hurts.

ManBurning
08-05-2020, 06:01 AM
This...really sucks for me. I was really looking forward to this, but i just cannot in the current climate justify £30 (on top of Disney +) to watch a 2 hour film on my 720p PC monitor.



Mr Haysey, let me introduce you to my good friend, F-Movies. https://fmovies.to/ You 2 will be best of friends, forever. I guarantee.


well, while I'm sure it's either good or sad news for the fifteen or so people who were actually really excited to see the movie adaptation of Mulan,

My girlfriend and her friend are two. Sounds like Mr Haysey right above me was another. So we just have to figure out who the other 12 are...

Jinsai
08-05-2020, 08:13 AM
My girlfriend and her friend are two. Sounds like Mr Haysey right above me was another. So we just have to figure out who the other 12 are... well, good luck!

the thing is, in my estimation, is that Disney is being 10 dollars too greedy here. If they asked for 20 people would do it

cdm
08-05-2020, 09:21 AM
I'll preface this by saying I am not in the target market(s) for this film however I can also say there isn't a single film title or subject where I would pay 1998 new release dvd prices for the chance TO RENT a movie to watch IN MY OWN HOUSE. On top of the monthly subscription price. This is a ridiculous pricing model. I'm not saying people won't pay it because they will but it's borderline exploitation. Want to release it early? Fine, sell it physically and digitally and add it to your sub service but don't act like this is an in-home theatrical release. Consumers should refuse to support this shit because give em an inch...

And I say this as a Disney+ subscriber and the parent of a kid who will probably want to watch this at some point.

tricil
08-05-2020, 09:23 AM
I'll preface this by saying I am not in the target market(s) for this film however I can also say there isn't a single film title or subject where I would pay 1998 new release dvd prices for the chance TO RENT a movie to watch IN MY OWN HOUSE. On top of the monthly subscription price. This is a ridiculous pricing model. I'm not saying people won't pay it because they will but it's borderline exploitation. Want to release it early? Fine, sell it physically and digitally and add it to your sub service but don't act like this is an in-home theatrical release. Consumers should refuse to support this shit because give em an inch...

This. $20-30 to watch something that deletes itself after 24 hours isn’t the move. That is the price point to own it.

buckaroo
08-05-2020, 10:11 AM
I'll preface this by saying I am not in the target market(s) for this film however I can also say there isn't a single film title or subject where I would pay 1998 new release dvd prices for the chance TO RENT a movie to watch IN MY OWN HOUSE. On top of the monthly subscription price. This is a ridiculous pricing model. I'm not saying people won't pay it because they will but it's borderline exploitation. Want to release it early? Fine, sell it physically and digitally and add it to your sub service but don't act like this is an in-home theatrical release. Consumers should refuse to support this shit because give em an inch...

And I say this as a Disney+ subscriber and the parent of a kid who will probably want to watch this at some point.

i sort of view this as an alternative to going to the theater. Studios are obviously losing a ton of money on these films and there needs to be some avenue to turn a profit (specifically on these large budget films that were started prior to the COVID-19 situation). That price is less than it would be to bring my family to the theater to see this. Is it a comparable experience? No. Do I understand why studios are doing this? Yes.

I totally get where people are coming from in that this is expensive to rent a movie. I also want to continue to see these types of films being produced. The upside is that these are planned to be released to the normal streaming platform so people can wait too.

will I pay 29.99 for my kids to watch this “early?” Maybe. Will I pay 29.99 to watch a feature length Star Wars film? For sure!

cdm
08-05-2020, 10:28 AM
i sort of view this as an alternative to going to the theater. Studios are obviously losing a ton of money on these films and there needs to be some avenue to turn a profit (specifically on these large budget films that were started prior to the COVID-19 situation). That price is less than it would be to bring my family to the theater to see this. Is it a comparable experience? No. Do I understand why studios are doing this? Yes.

Don't get me wrong, I understand the why...I don't agree with the how. And to compare it to the price of going to the theater is comparing apples to oranges. In a theater you're selling the movie and the experience. I don't have stadium seating, a state-of-the-art surround system, nor a massive screen viewing experience. So of course it should be cheaper but it's only cheaper because you'll have more than two sets of eyes watching the movie. For the single person or couple wanting to watch this it's a wash at best, more expensive at worst, and a significantly lesser viewing experience.


I also want to continue to see these types of films being produced. The upside is that these are planned to be released to the normal streaming platform so people can wait too.

I also understand the the ever changing dynamics of the movie industry however if any company were positioned to absorb a financial loss due to a global pandemic it's Disney. I don't begrudge them for trying to salvage the project but this method ain't it, especially in this economic climate, IMO.

october_midnight
08-05-2020, 10:38 AM
FWIW it's been confirmed that ordering Mulan will give you 'permanent access' to it as long as you remain a Disney+ subscriber.

allegate
08-05-2020, 10:54 AM
My girlfriend and her friend are two. Sounds like Mr Haysey right above me was another. So we just have to figure out who the other 12 are...
my wife is another. I don't know why. I mean yeah I know that Mulan is one of her favorite Disney movies ever and she even likes Mulan 2 but outside of that the live-action one is missing a lot of the key ingredients that made the OG movie good so why did they bother? It's not even a "live-action remake" at this point but instead a totally different version of the story of the person Mulan.

No Mushu, no cow, and no cricket? no sale.

cdm
08-05-2020, 10:56 AM
FWIW it's been confirmed that ordering Mulan will give you 'permanent access' to it as long as you remain a Disney+ subscriber.

This makes it a little bit better. Like I said, ultimately I'm not in the market for this but I really don't want to see this model catch on.

eversonpoe
08-05-2020, 11:36 AM
No Mushu, no cow, and no cricket? no sale.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/24/8b/d3/248bd3c58cd605bdad4522b5c0287020.gif

Jinsai
08-05-2020, 11:52 AM
FWIW it's been confirmed that ordering Mulan will give you 'permanent access' to it as long as you remain a Disney+ subscriber.

It's not worth much really... it'll be "free" on Disney+ anyway in a few months I'm sure.

As far as the whole VoD option, I don't know. I did this w/ The Invisible Man. I paid 20 bucks to rent it... it was the novelty of it. I wanted to see if psychologically it felt "different" from just watching something I haven't seen on Netflix.

I felt like a moron for renting Invisible Man for that much money, and I don't think any of that has to do with the fact that I just didn't think the movie was that great.

With Mulan, I think Disney is really just saying "fuck it, let's see if we can squeeze a few extra dollars out of this before we throw it on Disney+"
It wasn't a movie that people seemed really excited about. It wasn't Tenet or Top Gun.

If they announced that Tenet was going to be VoD, 30 bucks, I'm sure a lot of people would just do it.

One of the things that isn't really being looked at here though is at a $30 asking price, it's encouraging people to socialize and gather together and share the price and watch it together... and that was the whole reason we closed the movie theaters to begin with.

allegate
08-05-2020, 11:53 AM
This makes it a little bit better. Like I said, ultimately I'm not in the market for this but I really don't want to see this model catch on.

suddenly I am reminded of VHS rental market pricing where it was $99 and up for a movie. the difference there is that at least you got to keep the movie where here it's only yours for as long as you have an active sub.
It's not worth much really... it'll be "free" on Disney+ anyway in a few months I'm sure.

As far as the whole VoD option, I don't know. I did this w/ The Invisible Man. I paid 20 bucks to rent it... it was the novelty of it. I wanted to see if psychologically it felt "different" from just watching something I haven't seen on Netflix.

I felt like a moron for renting Invisible Man for that much money, and I don't think any of that has to do with the fact that I just didn't think the movie was that great.

With Mulan, I think Disney is really just saying "fuck it, let's see if we can squeeze a few extra dollars out of this before we throw it on Disney+"
It wasn't a movie that people seemed really excited about. It wasn't Tenet or Top Gun.

If they announced that Tenet was going to be VoD, 30 bucks, I'm sure a lot of people would just do it.

One of the things that isn't really being looked at here though is at a $30 asking price, it's encouraging people to socialize and gather together and share the price and watch it together... and that was the whole reason we closed the movie theaters to begin with.my wife said "if we rent it we're going to make sure people are here to see it" so yeah.

Jon
08-05-2020, 11:58 AM
I felt like a moron for renting Invisible Man for that much money, and I don't think any of that has to do with the fact that I just didn't think the movie was that great.

I feel like a moron paying $4.25 a night for a new release from Family Video; anything over, say, $12.99 is beyond absurd.

Jinsai
08-05-2020, 02:20 PM
The worst part of it is that these digital rentals are just as greedy as the RIAA was back when they were actively (unwittingly) encouraging piracy by implementing stupid concepts like copy protected mp3s that you can’t burn onto a CD... or if you bought a CD and put it in your computer it’ll auto install a root kit. That was REALLY NOT that long ago.

This model always bothered me. I rented some movie on iTunes once and got interrupted by something more important... and it’s 24 hours later, your rental has expired even though I only watched the first fifteen minutes.

if I have to call customer support to resolve this issue, your business model sucks. And sure, these people will always be greedy (at the behest of lawyers) and Disney isn’t going to stop Disneying any time soon... it just feels grossly exploitative to float this absurd high ball “offer” considering it really will centrally appeal to people losing their minds, desperate for any distraction because there’s a pandemic

ManBurning
08-05-2020, 05:01 PM
No Mushu, no cow, and no cricket? no sale.

My girlfriend named her cat Mushu. That's how obsessed she is with this movie, lol.

Haysey
08-05-2020, 06:25 PM
Mr Haysey, let me introduce you to my good friend, F-Movies. https://fmovies.to/ You 2 will be best of friends, forever. I guarantee.



My girlfriend and her friend are two. Sounds like Mr Haysey right above me was another. So we just have to figure out who the other 12 are...

Appreciate the link, although my anti virus immediately started going mental and my PC crashed straight after (most likely not related as it's crashes all the time when i stream anything over 720p) kinda felt like a bad omen.

In a slightly stranger move, i actually prefer to pay to watch stuff if i can. Coming from an anime community that is pirating anime to the brink of bankruptcy i really like to pay my own way in what i watch, and this being an all Asian cast i really wanted to show my appreciation for them trying it...but i feel like they've priced this out of most peoples reach just to test the waters. "Oh well it probably wasn't going to do well anyway, lets see how much we can get via VOD" kinda thing.

I've spoken to a couple of families that were going to originally have a day at the cinema for this and both just said roughly the same thing "with everything else on their we're just not going to bother now"....and that's really upsetting :(

Self.Destructive.Pattern
08-05-2020, 07:44 PM
So... 60 bucks if I want to see these two films... Torrents still a thing, right?

The sum of these two films almost adds up to the yearly cost for Disney+. Hahaa fuck that.

Jon
08-05-2020, 08:07 PM
Coming from an anime community that is pirating anime to the brink of bankruptcy i really like to pay my own way in what i watch...

This is actually a perfect example of what happens when you refuse to change your business model. 2-6 episodes of a show on VHS for $30, do you remember that? How about the same thing only on DVD? Wait, they're still doing that with Blu-ray? I know you watch way more anime than I do, but it wasn't piracy that's put them in this "situation", it's refusing to change your model.

versusreality
08-05-2020, 10:50 PM
sadly, I see this becoming the new norm on streaming services: you have a subscription, but you have to pay a premium to own certain films. if Disney is doing it with Mulan, they'll be doing it with other films....and places like Netflix, HBO Max, will probably follow (in time) .

Haysey
08-06-2020, 04:56 AM
This is actually a perfect example of what happens when you refuse to change your business model. 2-6 episodes of a show on VHS for $30, do you remember that? How about the same thing only on DVD? Wait, they're still doing that with Blu-ray? I know you watch way more anime than I do, but it wasn't piracy that's put them in this "situation", it's refusing to change your model.


Yes and No. Without derailing this tread (i'll keep this brief) alot of super expensive VHS (and now blu-ray) aren't entirely down to not changing the model, it's that the licenses to distribute anime physically in the west are SO expensive they cannot change it. This can be put down to the Japanese model needing to be change (thats a whole other clusterfuck), but it's also down to fans in the west just out right demanding more and not wanting to pay for it. Take Crunchyroll, probably the most popular streaming service with the most shows, it's affordable (£5 a month for me for unlimited shows translated within hours!) and the anime community HATES it, because it allows non anime fans into their hobby and costs a fee. A large amount of older fans were big on fansubing, which was the only way to get most anime back in the 00's/90's, and it was free. When streaming came in anime became less a niche and the older fans hated this (gate keeping in anime is STRONG), and will still rather pay for a fan sub site like Kiss anime where the money goes nowhere toward the actual anime then give money to a streaming service that actually gives back to the industry. Just go anywhere on the socials with anime and you'll see "fans" shitting on official streaming services and praising Kiss anime sempai...it's not that anime is over priced, it's that most of the community in the west DON'T WANT to pay anything for something they have gotten used to getting for free!

Even if most anime became affordable physically (i really wish it was) most of the community would still pirate, and damn anyone who tells them otherwise. The studio behind ikkitousen and Elfen Lied just went under and the general response in the community was "it's still on kiss anime lol"

Anime is more affordable in streaming and accessible then ever (you can even watch alot of shows on CR for free with ads)...but most diehards still refuse to even pay/use it, that's why (and thanks to covid) it's on the brink! And don't get me started on how badly paid animators in Japan actually are, that's another cluster fuck for another thread! [/end of non Disney+ stuff]

onthewall2983
10-13-2020, 12:19 PM
Disney is reorganizing itself, and making streaming it's "primary focus" (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/12/disney-reorganizes-to-focus-on-streaming-direct-to-consumer.html), which explains a lot regarding putting Soul on Plus.

Hopefully they can put out the Beatles doc sooner. I'm surprised they rescheduled the theatrical release to next year instead of doing that anyway.

allegate
10-13-2020, 12:25 PM
Has anyone had luck getting Hulu and ESPN added to their D+ account? I already had a Hulu account so when I did the combo I just figured it would sort itself out and yet Hulu just charged me for a full month's price a couple days after D+ got theirs. I know I'm going to have to contact customer support, I just want to know how easy it should be. I did the suggested things on the website and nothing looked like it wasn't linked already so it's confusing.

I saw a few places on reddit where this appears to be a 'common' thing. Not too happy right now.

Archive_Reports
10-13-2020, 12:35 PM
Has anyone had luck getting Hulu and ESPN added to their D+ account? I already had a Hulu account so when I did the combo I just figured it would sort itself out and yet Hulu just charged me for a full month's price a couple days after D+ got theirs. I know I'm going to have to contact customer support, I just want to know how easy it should be. I did the suggested things on the website and nothing looked like it wasn't linked already so it's confusing.

I saw a few places on reddit where this appears to be a 'common' thing. Not too happy right now.

If memory serves I just logged into those platforms using the same login info and was good to go.

allegate
10-13-2020, 12:56 PM
Oh I can log into everything just fine, I just want to be paying the bundle price, not the bundle price PLUS Hulu PLUS D+. Because I got the D+ three-year thing so that was paid a year ago and then I got Hulu this summer and then last month saw they were finally letting people bundle current accounts so did that even though I never watch ESPN because it was still cheaper than separate accounts. And yet they're billing me like I never bundled anything but also the bundle price.

onthewall2983
10-18-2020, 01:49 PM
I tried that once. I don't have much use for ESPN unless there are new 30 For 30's out. I highly prefer Hulu now to watch the premium channels so I'm just more tempted to get it without ads.

I am hearing rumors that they might have R-rated movies and television on Disney+ (with parental controls obviously). This may sound a bit redundant but it could be good for old Fox/Touchstone movies to be shown in 4K quality that haven't before.

october_midnight
10-20-2020, 02:33 PM
Whoa. Willow series officially greenlit starring Warwick Davis.

Article. (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/willow-series-a-go-at-disney?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social)

allegate
10-20-2020, 02:55 PM
As long as they either stay away from the books (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Moon_(novel)).

In 2019–20, Shadow Moon featured on the podcast series 372 Pages We'll Never Get Back (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/372_Pages_We%27ll_Never_Get_Back), which reads literature of low quality. The two hosts, Conor Lastowka (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conor_Lastowka) and Michael J. Nelson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_J._Nelson), described it as the worst book they had read so far, even worse than Sean Penn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Penn)'s Bob Honey Who Just Do Stuff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Honey_Who_Just_Do_Stuff).[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Moon_(novel)#cite_note-3)
Don't get me wrong, there is an interesting story in the books it's just buried and Claremont wrote a very comic-y story that needed to be condensed.

I mean also everyone from the movie dies in the first chapter except for Willow and Elora Danan. so, uh, spoilers I guess.

allegate
11-18-2020, 11:26 PM
https://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/lego-star-wars-holiday-special-poster-spark-sabers.jpg

That was pretty good, actually. Some real deep-cut jokes as well as some definite pokes at themselves.

allegate
11-23-2020, 11:20 AM
Watched Noelle last night after Mando. You know how a trailer sometimes shows you the best parts of the movie? It holds true here. That said, there are lots of other good parts so it's not a total wash. It's a typical Christmas-in-Phoenix* movie but there's a lot of heart in it, oddly. I mean I can't explain why the scene where she started signing with the deaf girl made me tear up but it did. And you know, they set up a romantic relationship in a typical tropey fashion and then they don't push it and that's probably the best part of the film. They could have done the sappy "love conquers all" thing but they don't. Or at least it might have happened off-screen instead of in your face. Either way, interesting choice.

There's only one scene that felt forced in the film, near the end. And Billy Eichner...this is the first thing I've seen him in. He's supposed to be funny I guess? Anyway there's a choice for his character near the end that I didn't follow at all and it didn't make a lick of story sense.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBDnQkQUTGU

*it was kind of funny how almost every scene had a different Phoenix sports team on the apparel. There are people who like all the teams I guess?

eversonpoe
11-23-2020, 02:27 PM
allegate we watched it last year and loved it. it was fun and silly and it was really nice that it wasn't like THEY ARE IN LOVE NOW and it seemed more like they were just BFFs. not every story needs a romantic angle.

i love billy eichner but i get that he's not for everyone. bill hader is great, too. but anna kendrick is really the star of the show.

marodi
11-29-2020, 11:07 PM
Today would have been Chadwick Boseman's 44th birthday and as a tribute, Disney+ has altered the opening sequence of Black Panther.

https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1333078267302187009?s=20

october_midnight
12-10-2020, 04:58 PM
Jesus they may wanna pace themselves here...

https://twitter.com/disney/status/1337152322653351936?s=21

allegate
12-10-2020, 06:38 PM
"Premier Access" needs to go away: Mulan was not worth $30.

neorev
12-14-2020, 12:30 PM
Disney+ and other streaming services' prices to go up...
https://www.nme.com/news/tv/streaming-service-prices-for-netflix-and-disney-expected-to-rise-2838468

cdm
12-14-2020, 01:02 PM
Disney+ and other streaming services' prices to go up...
https://www.nme.com/news/tv/streaming-service-prices-for-netflix-and-disney-expected-to-rise-2838468

A Disney+ increase was inevitable. I'm glad they waited until after the early adopter yearly subs renewed.

neorev
12-14-2020, 01:22 PM
A Disney+ increase was inevitable. I'm glad they waited until after the early adopter yearly subs renewed.

I'm sure folks will complain about Netflix premium account going up to $18, but I still think that's a good deal for what you get. When I see people bashing music streaming services for charging more than $10, I think to myself how fucking greedy one must be for complaining about having the ability to play almost any song ever made any time you want in lossless/hi-res for $15 or $20 per month. You should see the shitstorm these streaming services get in the comments section because they have the audacity to charge over $10. It takes a lot of fucking money to make movies and shows. You're getting Hollywood level productions beamed straight to your home television. Sadly, the listener/viewer has become way too greedy.

cdm
12-18-2020, 10:01 AM
When I see people bashing music streaming services for charging more than $10, I think to myself how fucking greedy one must be for complaining about having the ability to play almost any song ever made any time you want in lossless/hi-res for $15 or $20 per month.

This assumes any price increase goes straight to the artists, which it absolutely does not. For instance, would I be a bit miffed if Spotify announced a $2 increase while AppleMusic stays at $10 and there's no increase in royalties or additional benefits? Yeah, I probably would be.

talkingnothing
12-19-2020, 10:14 AM
This assumes any price increase goes straight to the artists, which it absolutely does not. For instance, would I be a bit miffed if Spotify announced a $2 increase while AppleMusic stays at $10 and there's no increase in royalties or additional benefits? Yeah, I probably would be.
People talk a lot about spotify not paying enough to artists. I read they paid something like $5BN last year. And I think it's always been something like 70% of the total revenue being paid out to rights holders. They have still never made a profit and continue to operate at a loss. I don't really want to be a huge spotify apologist, but I don't really know what more you could ask of them than to pay 70% of every dollar that comes in to rights holders. The top streamed artists on spotify make bank. In a way it's truly a more democratic system, just unfortunately people have shit taste. In the 90s if you bought a cd by some one hit wonder or even a mid sized band and only ever listened to the one radio track that pulled you in and then stuffed the cd in the drawer and never listened again, that was the same amount of money paid to the record company, rights holders, artist as if you bought the downward spiral and listened to it over and over all the way though for decades. An unfortunate side effect is smaller less popular artists don't get the big break as much, record cos don't take those chances like they once did. The model is different but there were plenty of problems with the old way too. I think the modern small and mid size artists are more able to reach a small audience that will come out to see them tour and earn a living. It's not a rock star living, it's just (hopefully) a living. Not that I don't consider pop music to be art, but but the big downside is that many artists who we would think of as more artistic don't get the same support they sometimes would have back then. I don't know if trent got a boatload of money to go make the fragile, but probably he did and that kind of thing only happens now for the very biggest artists. That's perhaps a downside to streaming, but it's always always been a miniscule amount of bands and artists who "make it," and I feel like there might be more today who get by making art and making a living than in the 70s or 90s, but that's just a feeling. I use spotify, but I also try to buy music and swag and concert tickets from artists I want to support. Go bandcamp Fridays. Anyway, this was a long way of saying I think if spotify increases their prices by 2 bucks, I'd hope it would still mean 70% gets paid out. Maybe not of course, they do seem to renegotiate their rates with specific labels fairly often.

cdm
12-19-2020, 11:47 AM
People talk a lot about spotify not paying enough to artists. I read they paid something like $5BN last year.

While you may be right on the total number I believe their pre-stream royalty is quite a bit lower than Amazon Premium Music and Apple Music. And full disclosure: I am a Spotify Fam subscriber.


I use spotify, but I also try to buy music and swag and concert tickets from artists I want to support. Go bandcamp Fridays. Anyway, this was a long way of saying I think if spotify increases their prices by 2 bucks, I'd hope it would still mean 70% gets paid out. Maybe not of course, they do seem to renegotiate their rates with specific labels fairly often.

I do this, too, as much as I can. Sometimes double-dipping on bands like NIN...digital / physical / whatever else. Bandcamp when applicable. But I do realize we're probably in the minority when it comes to those spending habits.

talkingnothing
12-19-2020, 01:20 PM
Sorry, I know we're way off topic here, should be over in a music streaming thread, but these things are somewhat related. The trouble with talking about per stream payouts is subscribers don't pay per listen, but per month. If your average apple or amazon listener listens to 40 songs per month and your average spotify listener listens to 80 songs per month (made up numbers here for illustration) then the payout per stream for apple and amazon will be much more. Obviously I don't have all the answers, there are countless factors that make up this topic and I don't really know if the streaming model is more fair or less fair to most artists. When people say the streamers need to pay artists more... Of course that sounds right, but you have to deal with what it costs to deliver, what consumers are willing to pay, what labels and other non-performing rights holders take off the top of the payouts... It's a very complicated equation.

onthewall2983
01-12-2021, 04:37 PM
Wes Anderson's Isle of Dogs premieres on + Friday

eversonpoe
01-12-2021, 06:55 PM
Wes Anderson's Isle of Dogs premieres on + Friday

i tried to watch that a while ago and the whole beginning just made me so sad that i only got about 5 minutes in and gave up on it.

imail724
01-20-2021, 02:35 PM
All 5 seasons of The Muppet Show are coming to D+ next month! Finally a reason to actually use my D+ account again!

MrLobster
01-20-2021, 03:06 PM
All 5 seasons of The Muppet Show are coming to D+ next month! Finally a reason to actually use my D+ account again!

I'm still annoyed they didn't put the last two seasons on DVD.... and watch out for Elton John packing heat...

eversonpoe
01-20-2021, 06:43 PM
i have them all downloaded but a lot of them are in questionable quality so i'm VERY excited for this. i grew up watching reruns constantly.

Jord
01-21-2021, 02:36 PM
I'm looking forward to The Muppets! Never watched the original series, just the movies.

Been on a bit of a Jim Henson kick recently, and after watching Labyrinth on Saturday evening followed by Wandavision on D+, I saw 'Earth To Ned' on my screen underneath the icon I was on. I decided to give it a whirl and it was wonderful! A late night chat show themed program with an alien and his sidekick, all done by The Jim Henson Company with guest stars on each episode. Really fun to watch, light hearted stuff.

ekrekel
01-21-2021, 03:03 PM
A Disney+ increase was inevitable. I'm glad they waited until after the early adopter yearly subs renewed.

The 3 year upfront subscription was apparently a good decision.

allegate
01-21-2021, 03:22 PM
I just wish I could figure out what the issue is with Hulu and my D+ sub. I did the three-year thing and then they said "hey for like $3 more you can have the bundle!!" and yet I'm still paying for Hulu and if I try to stop payment it says "if you do this you'll lose the bundle". wtf.