Homeland

[NIN64]

Sunday nights on Showtime. It's an interesting concept for a TV show. Anyone else watching?

[konstantin]

yep. i think this is the best quality drama on TV right now, mostly because they've cast accomplished Hollywood/Broadway actors and they seem to know how to keep the audience engaged (as opposed to just tease it, J.J. style). Carrie and Saul eat the scenery every Sunday!

[Michalrose]

I've been watching this from the beginning and it is the show I look forward to the most on Sunday nights! Very exciting and each episode ends with a reveal that makes it hard to wait another week.
It seems that Brody has lost all emotion and is now a cold strategist. What he shows towards his family is necessary for them to trust him. The man has been destroyed inside; there is not much left after what he has endured.

[novacide]

I expected a lot more love for this show from people here.

First season was fantastic.

SPOILERS:

Those brief moments in the bunker were incredibly intense.

[konstantin]

that was great! do we even know if Carrie will be back for the second season? they can of left it uncertain. and i definitely felt like she made the show for me. powerhouse acting on top of quality writing (despite numerous TV moments).

[Michalrose]

that was great! do we even know if Carrie will be back for the second season? they can of left it uncertain. and i definitely felt like she made the show for me. powerhouse acting on top of quality writing (despite numerous TV moments).

I'm quite sure both she and Brody will be back. I DVR'd the finale last night and can't WAIT to watch it tonight! Such a good show.

[imail724]

Just started watching this the other day, I'm now on episode 8 and hooked. It's really great and like someone else said, every time an episode ends it's hard not to jump right into the next.

[kdrcraig]

Finally finished watching this last night and holy hell is this show awesome. The finale was super intense, such great performances by Damian Lewis and Claire Daines. Hopefully Carrie is back in season 2, she's definitely a huge part of the reason this show is so good and it wouldn't be the same without her.

[WorzelG]

This is now showing in the UKon channel 4 and I'm up to episode 6, This is great, I change my mind every week about whether Brody has been turned or not

[WorzelG]

Sorry for double post but just finished this series - Sundays won't be the same without a bottle of wine and Homeland!

Like the addition of the guy who played Randall Flag in The Stand as the vice president

[onthewall2983]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh_TPjZJCRc&feature=player_embedded

[smokey_mcpot]

great trailer.. gave me goosebumps!

i think its an underrated show, im usually not into political themed shows, but i gave it a shot and ended up loving it. claire danes and damian lewis are amazing. cant wait for it to start.

[Kodiak33]

This show is awesome.

[WorzelG]

Was it the Social Network trailer with 'Creep' that began the use of pop songs done by choirs as trailer themes?

Can't wait for this series though, but I'm in the uk so will probably have to wait ages for it to get over here

[Dra508]

I watched half of season 1. Really good story and pacing... I just hope it stays in the believable, the possible range.

[kdrcraig]

I watched half of season 1. Really good story and pacing... I just hope it stays in the believable, the possible range.

It does, the last few episodes are some of the most intense television I've ever seen.

[Dra508]

It does, the last few episodes are some of the most intense television I've ever seen.I work from my home and never watch meaningful tv during the day. I just turned on episode 7. Can't-stop-watching.....

[Dra508]

Wow - can't wait for Sunday

[R-Dot-Yung]

I couldn't get into this show my first try, but seeing as it swept the emmys I'm going to have to try again. Also, the other day my friend is asking me If I like Homeland and I tell him no obviously. Turns out his cousin created the show. Way to make me shit talk it for you to say your cousin created it.

[thelastdisciple]

Definitely looking forward to season 2, very intense show.

Nice to see Damien Lewis on TV, became a fan of him ever since Band of Brothers.

[sa_nick]

Loved this show when it aired. The ads didn't hook me but it turned out to be awesome. Still, I dunno how it didnt so good at the emmys. It's just not in the same class as Breaking Bad/Mad Men/Boardwalk Empire. Is it just coz it's America and Homeland is about terrorism or what?

[kdrcraig]

Loved this show when it aired. The ads didn't hook me but it turned out to be awesome. Still, I dunno how it didnt so good at the emmys. It's just not in the same class as Breaking Bad/Mad Men/Boardwalk Empire. Is it just coz it's America and Homeland is about terrorism or what?

I can say that Damien Lewis and Claire Daines both deserved their Emmy's, I haven't seen Mad Men or Boardwalk Empire. I think it could hold its own against Breaking Bad given time, it's only had one season.

[Dra508]

I totally see why Homeland beat Boardwalk Empire. I loved that series too, but the second season the story and pacing was a bit off. Homeland, ever episode was perfect. I don't much about television production, but I have to believe those really good first seasons happen because the writers pace the entire season's story line perfectly across all 12 or whatever episodes. The second season of Boardwalk had some silly plots and good characters doing stupid stuff.

It's like 24 and Prison Break - the first is usually the best and it's all down hill from there. For Homeland, what do they do with Carrie? I totally see Brody's character carrying on, but Carrie? Whatever they think up to keep her around I'm going to bet is implausible.

OK, my cynicism is showing. Going to go start watching Breaking Bad.

[kdrcraig]

It's like 24 and Prison Break - the first is usually the best and it's all down hill from there. For Homeland, what do they do with Carrie? I totally see Brody's character carrying on, but Carrie? Whatever they think up to keep her around I'm going to bet is implausible.

I heard they ask her back into the CIA somehow. But yeah, seems a bit implausible.

[Deadpool]

I finished up the first season of Homeland a few days ago and really enjoyed it. I love Saul! I wouldn't say Damian Lewis and Claire Danes give perfect performances, but they give damn good ones, and Danes in particular nails her character's most important moments - her mental and emotional breakdowns. When Brody "breaks up" with her in the season finale, Carrie's reaction is hard to watch. It stings, it hits home.

Question: why does Brody's wife call him "Brody"? Shouldn't she be calling him "Nick" or "Nicolas"? Maybe there was some bit of backstory I missed, but it just ever-so-slightly irks me.

[kdrcraig]

Question: why does Brody's wife call him "Brody"? Shouldn't she be calling him "Nick" or "Nicolas"? Maybe there was some bit of backstory I missed, but it just ever-so-slightly irks me.

I think that was his nickname that everyone calls him and probably she's been calling him that since they met.

[Deadpool]

I think that was his nickname that everyone calls him and probably she's been calling him that since they met.

Cool, I figured. It's not like it sounds weird coming out of Morena Baccarin's mouth, I just can't help but think of anyone else's spouse calling them by their last name and how silly that scenario seems in my head.

I think I'm more excited for the start of Homeland's next season than I am for Dexter's (even though the latter's new premise seems more promising than anything they've done in a while), but of course Homeland is just starting out so it's a bit of an unfair comparison.

[Dra508]

I think that was his nickname that everyone calls him and probably she's been calling him that since they met.Exactly the case with my brother and his wife. It sounds weird to me, but when she met him he was Sully to everyone so why shouldn't she call him that?

[thelastdisciple]

There was some love for Calgary (where i reside) in the season 2 premiere :D

[Magtig]

I downloaded season one a couple days ago because of this thread, and I'm totally hooked now. I think I'm going to finish it today.

[onthewall2983]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xtJ5lLkW70&list=UUtwMWJr2BFPkuJTnSvCESSQ&index=1&f eature=plcp

[novacide]

Excellent first episode.

[kdrcraig]

Loved the episode. I watched the first season after it had all aired, gonna be rough waiting week to week for episodes this season.

[Mech]

Never watched the 1st season, but after recommendations from my Dad, I checked out the premiere. Really dig it and will probably keep watching!

[thelastdisciple]

HOLY SHIT!

I just realized the guy playing Saul is fucking INIGO MONTOYA FROM THE PRINCESS BRIDE!

My mind has been blown.

[kdrcraig]

HOLY SHIT!

I just realized the guy playing Saul is fucking INIGO MONTOYA FROM THE PRINCESS BRIDE!

My mind has been blown.

Haha I just realized that yesterday too because I saw an article about a reunion for the cast of that movie.

[littlemonkey613]

Pretty much watched this all the last 40 hours....just finished second episode of season 2. What a show... like I literally did not stop watching..

Danes' character is so brilliant. How many highly emotional (and emotionally unstable), erratic, female expert CIA agents are there on television??

[Michalrose]

First two eps of the season have been excellent. Such an exciting show. I love The Carrie character, she is brilliantly fucked up.

[kdrcraig]

The end of the second episode...holy shit

[novacide]

That ending was very 24-like.

[BrokenSpiral]

That was a great ending. It's got me so excited for this weeks episode

[WorzelG]

Just watched this in the UK - wow, now I'm desperate to know what the hell happens now

[onthewall2983]

How far in are you?

[WorzelG]

2nd episode, so I'm going to have to avoid this thread in case of spoilers!

[thelastdisciple]

3rd episode while good i felt was a bit slow but maybe this was because i wanted Saul to get his ass over to Carrie's fucking PRONTO to show her the intel that was found and let her know that she was right...

Still loved the scenes with Brody in this ep though, shit has really been hitting the fan for him and it's only going to get worse..

[littlemonkey613]

God fucking fuck.

[onthewall2983]

2nd episode, so I'm going to have to avoid this thread in case of spoilers!

1st season?

[WorzelG]

We're on the second season but I think we're a week behind the US

[kdrcraig]

So I'm guessing this show isn't going farther than this season with what has already happened in this one

Unless they turn Brody into giving them information about what the terrorists are telling him. I just don't see how it can go farther than this season now that the CIA knows he was turned

[Dra508]

We all thought Carrie didn't have a shot at coming back and now look at her. That slightly crazed 'I'm going to fuck your eyes out" look on her face in the next episode preview was pretty good, I must say.

[Dra508]

Holy crap!

[onthewall2983]

The episode was total win.

[imail724]

So is this gonna be a two season show?

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[WorzelG]

So is this gonna be a two season show?

I've just seen episode 3 and I don't see how they can spin this out after this season unless Brody goes on the run or something?

Does anyone else think there is an element of black comedy in this series? - I hope it wasn't just me who found some dark humour in Brody's attempts to silence the tailor when Jess is on the phone

[littlemonkey613]

All the awards.

[WorzelG]

Just saw episode 4 here - Carrie totally owned Brody in the last scene - but I can't help myself, I still feel sorry for Brody - I just want him to come good in the end

[Dra508]

Just saw episode 4 here - Carrie totally owned Brody in the last scene - but I can't help myself, I still feel sorry for Brody - I just want him to come good in the endI think Carrie wants that too.

[Magtig]

No admission from Brody that he stole the list!? Is he really on board or playing both sides?

[littlemonkey613]

My guess is he's playing both sides, but still really does care for Carrie. Also Carrie knows hes not completely onboard and but still has romantic chemistry with him. However I would say of the two Carrie is the most in control and calculative (though people judge her as contrary to that because of her emotional instability). She's like a CIA superhero or something. Pretty much all of her moves that can be judged as irrational and crazy are the exact ones that led to finding something out about Brody or Abu Nazir. Also that one time she single-handedly stopped a terrorist bombing by "harassing" his family. But yeah Brody definitely cannot be trusted and I think Carrie knows this full heartedly. I love that line in the first season when shes like "I'm always working". I think always really means always, even when she says some of it is real, which it might be, she's still in work mode fundamentally.

[Dra508]

As of last episode, I don't think Brody has feelings for Carrie. I think he's a confused dude, for sure.

I can't believe that guy stabbed him in the hand!

[peter]

Did nobody watch last sunday's episode?

Because HOLY FUCKING SHIT the pseudo-swat team killing 7 CIA-officers, among them Galvez, that was fucking intense!

[kdrcraig]

^ Yeah that shit was crazy, wasn't real sure I was understanding what I was seeing.

[Michalrose]

Yes! and as always I was on the edge of my seat. This show hasn't let me down yet.

[profane]

What a show, they bring everything together brilliantly.

[thelastdisciple]

I'm shaking like a leaf.

Damn this show is so good.

I. CAN'T. EVEN!

[littlemonkey613]

HOW? Every fucking scene caught me off guard and traumatized me. This show tho.
Also statistically no one should ever question Carries hunches about anything ever. She should be considered infallible based on her record.

[Dra508]

Carrie does take her work very seriously...Going above and beyond the call of duty.


Not sure who's playing who at this point.

[Magtig]

I think Carrie's emotions are real, but she's so dedicated to national security that she consciously uses them to get information. With Brody she realized she was in love, and told him in a very honest way about it. Then she used their human connection to collect intel. She's not just manipulating the people in the field, she's manipulating herself along with them.

[littlemonkey613]

I think Carrie's emotions are real, but she's so dedicated to national security that she consciously uses them to get information. With Brody she realized she was in love, and told him in a very honest way about it. Then she used their human connection to collect intel. She's not just manipulating the people in the field, she's manipulating herself along with them.

Exactly. That's why she gets so insulted when they question her. She's so good she has her own colleagues fooled and sometimes even herself.

[Dra508]

I gotta say, this show keeps on going and going. F. Murray Abraham in the next episode!!

[Michalrose]

The story line keeps surprising me. I never see the twists and turns coming. Excellent!

[DVYDRNS]

Carrie drives me insane!!!

[Dra508]

I thought for sure Carrie was going to tell Brody she's was just doing her job.

I just don't see another season. I know they will though.

[thelastdisciple]

Fuck me sideways!

Ahhh this wait for season 3 is going to be the most unbearable thing ever.

Bad enough it feels like it's been years since Game of Thrones was on.

Ugh....

Damn these short ass seasons to hell!

[onthewall2983]

That was an impressive finale. I love it when the commercials prove me right by saying you don't see it coming.

[DVYDRNS]

oh man...

I think the sniper dude kept him alive because he's the mole and they needed brody to be the fall guy.

[Dra508]

I'm so confused.

[onthewall2983]

oh man...

I think the sniper dude kept him alive because he's the mole and they needed brody to be the fall guy.

I'm not so sure. He wouldn't have followed him and Carrie to the log cabin if he really wasn't going to kill him.

[LaneSax]

Season 3 is gonna be something to look forward to.

Best show in a long long time.

[WorzelG]

oh man...

I think the sniper dude kept him alive because he's the mole and they needed brody to be the fall guy.

Personally I think the Brody part of season 3 is going to be cat and mouse with Quinn who feels guilty for keeping Brody alive and killing Estes

[Dra508]

Personally I think the Brody part of season 3 is going to be cat and mouse with Quinn who feels guilty for keeping Brody alive and killing Estes

I don't think Quinn did the bombing. I don't think Quinn has guilt. Well, maybe.

[WorzelG]

I don't think Quinn did the bombing. I don't think Quinn has guilt. Well, maybe.

No I don't think Quinn did the bombing, but I think since everyone now believes it was Brody, he will feel guilty for not killing him when he had the chance thus preventing 200 deaths (including Estes)

[Dra508]

Ahh. They definitely did set them up for a whole new story arc next season. I wonder if the wife and kids fade into the wood work.

[onthewall2983]

I wonder if the wife and kids fade into the wood work.

I hope not. The Hell they'll be facing from all directions (and within) will make for some good TV.

[DVYDRNS]

If they get rid of the wife the show loses the sex appeal. Because I do not care about Claire Danes sex scenes.

[thelastdisciple]

Speaking of the females in this show, does anyone else get annoyed by Dana's constantly cocking eyebrows....? is it an involuntary tick or what the hell is it? drives me nuts.

[r_z]

It's called a teenager.

[thelastdisciple]

It's called a teenager.
lol i know!!!

but seriously.


http://youtu.be/gEemh4iKr4w

[onthewall2983]

If they get rid of the wife the show loses the sex appeal. Because I do not care about Claire Danes sex scenes.

If you're saying that because you don't find her attractive, you should get your eyes checked. If you're saying it because her sex scenes are kind of awful from an acting perspective, you're probably right.

[WorzelG]

Yeah but whenever Jess has sex with someone I expect her to reveal a big lizard tail and disembowel them

[Mech]

I wouldn't care if the wife wasn't around. I still only see her as the alien chick from that crappy V tv series that got cancelled.

[DVYDRNS]

Yeah but whenever Jess has sex with someone I expect her to reveal a big lizard tail and disembowel them

What a way to go tho.

[sa_nick]

I wouldn't care if the wife wasn't around. I still only see her as the alien chick from that crappy V tv series that got cancelled.

That's my problem with this show, something about it screams "you're watching people act!". That's why i hated it winning big in the emmy's, i enjoyed the show for sure but man i was surprised when it even got nominated for some of those categories. In my opinion it just didn't deserve what it won, it's not high class television like all (or most) the other shows that were nominated.

[blackholesun]

Just watched the two seasons over the last few days. Haven't been hooked on a show like this in a long time (probably since Breaking Bad or The Wire). Gonna suck waiting for the third season.

I love the twists in this show. Sometimes it gets a little too like 24 for my tastes, but they really keep taking the show in different places that I would have never guessed.

[Dra508]

Just watched the two seasons over the last few days. Haven't been hooked on a show like this in a long time (probably since Breaking Bad or The Wire). Gonna suck waiting for the third season.

I love the twists in this show. Sometimes it gets a little too like 24 for my tastes, but they really keep taking the show in different places that I would have never guessed.

I did the same thing, watched season 1 all in a few days. I might have to re-watch season 2 together. I'm sure I missed some things.

Also, I think some of the writers of this show wrote for 24 too.

[thelastdisciple]

Nice to see Damian Lewis get his Golden Globe this year since he missed it the last time, that guy is a class act.

Loved him ever since Band of Brothers.

[mfte]

The first season was kinda cool..... gripping.... lots of twists.

BUT then the season finale happened. What a disappointment that eventually led to the wank fest that is season 2.

If they had the guts for Brody to actually carry out his mission, this show would've been talked about for ages. Instead they pulled the emotion card and did what they did. What a shame.

AND why the hell does the wife call her husband Brody?

[WorzelG]

The first season was kinda cool..... gripping.... lots of twists.

BUT then the season finale happened. What a disappointment that eventually led to the wank fest that is season 2.

If they had the guts for Brody to actually carry out his mission, this show would've been talked about for ages. Instead they pulled the emotion card and did what they did. What a shame.

AND why the hell does the wife call her husband Brody?

It would have been talked about, but it would have ended, because Brody would be dead. I agree about a lot of season 2 but I loved the finale and I'm quite excited about how season 3 will pan out

[mfte]

It would have been talked about, but it would have ended, because Brody would be dead. I agree about a lot of season 2 but I loved the finale and I'm quite excited about how season 3 will pan out

Not necessarily. Look at The Wire. Main character died left and right but the show went on.

And I noticed that the internet agrees with me that Brody's son is the biggest pussy willow ever and an all around shitty kid.

[onthewall2983]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ArjvJeI8NgU

[DVYDRNS]

watched the leak. yep gonna be a good season.

[thelastdisciple]

Where the fuck is Nick Brody these last couple of episodes?.... (i know i know, he's on the run) would it have killed them to cut away from Carrie's insanity for two fucking seconds though? a little tease/thrown bone.

I'm much more interested in how he's going to survive all of this as opposed to much else to be honest. The back and forth with Saul and Carrie is starting to get a bit old.

[Dra508]

Where the fuck is Nick Brody these last couple of episodes?.... (i know i know, he's on the run) would it have killed them to cut away from Carrie's insanity for two fucking seconds though? a little tease/thrown bone.

I'm much more interested in how he's going to survive all of this as opposed to much else to be honest. The back and forth with Saul and Carrie is starting to get a bit old.

I sort of like the exploration on Brody's kid.

[blackholesun]

Well, we got our answer where he was...or at least where he is now. Interesting season thus far.

[WorzelG]

I'd like more Quin personally. I thought this series was going to be Quin, feeling guilty he hadn't killed Brody when he had the chance, playing cat and mouse with Brody on the run

[Dra508]

I'd like more Quin personally. I thought this series was going to be Quin, feeling guilty he hadn't killed Brody when he had the chance, playing cat and mouse with Brody on the runI suspect they'll turn back to him. Maybe that'll be next season since they've made Carrie unstable again. I can't see the CIA taking her back again.

Brody with not hair is not a pretty Brody. Just saying I vote for Gingers.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

I suspect they'll turn back to him. Maybe that'll be next season since they've made Carrie unstable again. I can't see the CIA taking her back again.

Brody with not hair is not a pretty Brody. Just saying I vote for Gingers.

Haha, that's what I thought as well about bald Brody. But about Quin.. I really, REALLY liked him more when he met David in the room looking like an agent the show slowly developed on. They did a good job with Quin I think from the small window he has been in on the show. But with David, it showed growth and who Quin really is as a person and that was pretty dam good to watch because you could see how serious he really was and is about his beliefs.. good character development right there so far.. hope he sticks around.

Season is good so far.. really excited to see how Brody's story develops because as of right now, he has absolutely nobody except that new Chica he has been talking to.

[Dra508]

I suspect they'll turn back to him. Maybe that'll be next season since they've made Carrie unstable again. I can't see the CIA taking her back again.

Brody with not hair is not a pretty Brody. Just saying I vote for Gingers.I stand corrected.

Last night, I got caught up on the last two episodes They can't make that senator the director of the CIA - the world will come to an end

I think Quin is in love with Carrie. Heck Saul is in love with Carrie too.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

I want more freaking Brody.

[thelastdisciple]

No kidding, i mean we got a whole episode devoted to him finally but his activities have definitely been sparse.

Damian Lewis is one of my favorite actors ever since Band of Brothers so i get a bit impatient sometimes if his screentime ends up diminished or if he doesn't have a more prominent role.

I know there are a lot of characters on this show integral to the story so I'm not knocking them or anything and it's not like i don't enjoy their parts as well but i would sure like a bit more balance this season..... i mean this isn't Game of Thrones for crying out loud.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

It's hard to understand for me why he has only been in like two episodes. This season has been a mess so far, and all we get is a huge dupe and sappy teenage bullcrap I could care less about.

[baudolino]

lmao http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1zL106SGZ8

[koz-ivan]

I want more freaking Brody.

in all honesty, i think that is the problem with the show. season 1 should have been brody's arc, and then move on. alas, they've kept him around for far too long.

[onthewall2983]

I crammed the first five episodes Friday, and I keep flashing to the third episode. I'm engaged in the other stuff, but at some point in the last two and I'm sure tonight I'll think "how the hell is he going to get out of this".

[LaneSax]

enjoying season 3 so far but damn I wouldn't mind if they just killed off Dana...

[Highly Psychological]

This show is weird, its like its gone in the wrong direction plot wise, sort of dug its own hole, yet despite that its still well written at points and gripping and i really enjopy watching it!
I loved the first season, hated the end of season 1 with Brody in the Bunker, disliked the plot of Season2 yet could not stop watching it? And in the mess of a plot it had some really fine moments.
It would be good if they started again with a new plot possibly got rid of Brody completely. I think Clare Danes is brilliant in this, i really like her charachter and Saul too.

[onthewall2983]

enjoying season 3 so far but damn I wouldn't mind if they just killed off Dana...

I wouldn't mind if they killed off these stupid typical teen plots with boyfriends I barely care about. The actress playing her is actually pretty good in the role, as she had some great scenes with Lewis in the first and second seasons. The mother is more of a teenager than Dana sometimes.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Get rid of Brody?? Honestly.. he was the main reason why I wanted to keep watching this show. Yea Danes is fantastic, but her moods and skanky ways really gets old fast when you are force fed it over and over again. I think the situation Brody is in now is even more intriguing than the first two seasons because you really have no idea what is going to happen to him and he has absolutely nobody to rely on but himself. He brings a different balance to the show so getting rid of him completely really doesn't make sense to me.

[Vertigo]

Her 'moods and skanky ways'? Nice.

Personally, I think Homeland is the best thing on TV now Breaking Bad's gone. Riveting and unpredictable with a fantastic set of characters. I don't think they've dug themselves into a hole at all, I love it every week.
My one irritation at the moment? That the NSA turn against Carrie was a gigantic plot. Stretched credulity somewhat.

[thelastdisciple]

I just found out about this, thought you guys might be interested if you weren't aware of it.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51eBSuUlb5L._SL300_.jpg
Emmy Award-winner Damian Lewis, who stars as Former Congressman and U.S. Marine Sergeant Nicholas Brody in the hit series Homeland, narrates this original Homeland story of Brody's journey into exile. Picking up at the end of Season 2 after he has parted from Carrie at the border, Brody relates, in the form of a letter to Carrie, his desperate escape by sea and land as the world's most-hunted fugitive. Guided off the grid by a former CIA analyst and a battle-scarred French mercenary, he stays in the shadows...both physically and emotionally. But wherever he goes and whoever he meets, he cannot stop thinking about Carrie.
This powerful audio-only story is the perfect complement to your Season 3 viewing, and a great way for current and new fans to get to know what drives one of the most fascinating characters on television.

http://www.audible.com/pd/Arts-Entertainment/Free-Homeland-Phantom-Pain-Audiobook/B00FN4UVF2?ref_=a_hp_c1_all_1_1_ga#publisher-summary

[WorzelG]

^^^thanks for that, there's not enough Brody in this series and FAR too much Dana

[Dra508]

I watching the last two episodes, they've totally redeemed themselves. The plot twists have been great. I'm actually ok with Brody (sign) not being on right now. Carrie isn't overacting and Saul is full on human.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Finalllllyyyyy!! Here we go..

[Magtig]

Is there ever an op in this show where someone doesn't break rank? It's not just that either, everything is starting to feel like the same old shit. Carrie's always about to lose her job (on meds off meds on meds off meds), Saul is having relationship troubles, Dana is Dana, etc.

[Michalrose]

I was a little iffy about this season but at this point in I am finding it very intriguing. The plot thickens! I knew it would have to circle back around to Brody. Looks like it going to get even more interesting.

[thelastdisciple]

FINALLY... this is the Brody I've been waiting the whole damn season for, the one who will do everything he can for redemption...

I'm also really glad they did the 16 days later thing so they didn't drag out his rehabilitation and training over a whole other season. Suit him up and send him out.

Can't wait to see him in action on this op.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

FINALLY... this is the Brody I've been waiting the whole damn season for, the one who will do everything he can for redemption...

I'm also really glad they did the 16 days later thing so they didn't drag out his rehabilitation and training over a whole other season. Suit him up and send him out.

Can't wait to see him in action on this op.

Aaaamen to that! I've been waiting so patiently to have Brody return and as soon as he does.. the whole shows swagger just changes and everything is like 20 times more intense. I can only imagine how much more messed up in the head he will after all of the shit he has been through. To me, it seems like Dana is the only aspect of his life that he actually cares about.

[onthewall2983]

Yeah, his wife and son don't mean shit.

I disagree about the "16 days later" thing. It's an otherwise inferior show, but I thought True Blood did that much better in it's season finale. I would have loved to seen more with Brody and his crew bonding.

[blackholesun]

This season, in spite of starting off really slow, has been better than last season for me. I'm happy they stopped focusing on the Brody family so much. They just didn't matter that much anymore. I'm intrigued by what they are going to do with Nick Brody though. I found it hilarious that he didn't give a shit about his son when visiting Dana last week. Either way, I'll keep tuning in because it has been entertaining...but I wonder what the end game this season (or next season since they've been extended) will be. At least they haven't turned into another 24..yet.

[onthewall2983]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8UPcnM-oXI#t=26

The whole interview was very fascinating, but this bit in particular got my eye. Makes me appreciate and understand Saul more.

[thelastdisciple]

So used to seeing him with a beard on the show not to mention i still find it insane that this is the same guy that played Inigo Montoya in The Princess Bride.

I hadn't seen him in anything else (that i'm aware of) and all of a sudden nearly 30 years later i see him as he is now, hard to believe it's the same person.

[Kodiak33]

So used to seeing him with a beard on the show not to mention i still find it insane that this is the same guy that played Inigo Montoya in The Princess Bride.

I hadn't seen him in anything else (that i'm aware of) and all of a sudden nearly 30 years later i see him as he is now, hard to believe it's the same person.

This may blow your mind, he's also Gimli in Lord of the Rings. I had no idea until a couple of years ago.

[Demogorgon]

This may blow your mind, he's also Gimli in Lord of the Rings. I had no idea until a couple of years ago.

no, he isn't. Gimli was portrayed by John Rhys Davies.

[thelastdisciple]

Yeah lol Gimli was the guy from Sliders and Raiders of the Lost Ark.

[onthewall2983]

Speaking of which... (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/sir-ian-mckellen-hits-back-at-damian-lewis-fruity-claims-8994029.html)

[thelastdisciple]

Speaking of which... (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/sir-ian-mckellen-hits-back-at-damian-lewis-fruity-claims-8994029.html)
He really said that?

Hmm.. well his career is what he makes of it, it's his choice.. who is anyone to fault him of that? I suppose he could have said some things differently so as not to seem like he was taking a dig at other actors and their career choices but I suppose he was just being blunt. I have to believe that he did not mean any offense by the fruity comment, assuming that he just meant silly as opposed to any kind of homophobic slur.

Also if you read the article where it says "Lewis recently commented that when he was in his 20s" i would again assume he was quoting and acknowledging the mindset of his 20 year old self and not necessarily the views of the person he is now.

Kudos to Ian Mckellen for being the stand up guy he is though.

[Kodiak33]

Yeah lol Gimli was the guy from Sliders and Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Oh shit you're right. My bad.

[Dra508]

So used to seeing him with a beard on the show not to mention i still find it insane that this is the same guy that played Inigo Montoya in The Princess Bride.

I hadn't seen him in anything else (that i'm aware of) and all of a sudden nearly 30 years later i see him as he is now, hard to believe it's the same person.

He was the original main dude on Criminal Minds too.

He does theater too. Original broadway production of Evita. Geeze 1980!

Last two episodes have been quite a ride. Many unexpected turn of events.

[onthewall2983]

The actresses who play Dana and Jessica won't return as series regulars next season. (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/homeland-exclusive-two-original-castmembers-not-returning-regulars-014520609.html)

[Vertigo]

I'll miss Jessica and her overwhelming hotness. But while the actress who plays Dana is very talented, I think pretty much everyone has had more than enough of The Adventures Of Dana. That tangent way outstayed its welcome.

[thelastdisciple]

Well I'm done with this show, what a stupid fucking joke of a finale.......and this whole season hasn't even been that great to begin with.

[Broadbent]

Well I'm done with this show, what a stupid fucking joke of a finale.......and this whole season hasn't even been that great to begin with.

I dunno I liked it. But it seemed more like a series finale than a season finale. Saul's out of the CIA, Brodie is dead. And Carrie continues to be a lone wolf and no cliffhanger. The show could have ended there as far as I'm concerned. But I guess we'll have to see what's in store next year.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

I dunno I liked it. But it seemed more like a series finale than a season finale. Saul's out of the CIA, Brodie is dead. And Carrie continues to be a lone wolf and no cliffhanger. The show could have ended there as far as I'm concerned. But I guess we'll have to see what's in store next year.

Totally agree with you here. But for me.. this had to be the most boring season finale I have seen in a long time. When they started putting him up I was like "Is this really happening??". To get rid of a character of that caliber after waiting weeks just to see him on screen.. it really left a sour taste in my mouth. The show to me barely moved on without Brody, and now that he is not in the picture at all??? They have to introduce someone new to the mix or we will have a whole season of Carrie going crazy because she cannot handle the baby nonsense and Saul yelling at her telling her to make the right decisions.

[thelastdisciple]

That's probably how I'll treat it, i mean as a series finale because at this point they don't really have anything to bring the viewer back other than curiosity and the hopes of following up on plot hole or something, i mean i would have been perfectly fine with this as a season finale if this was the Season 1 conclusion...but it's a little late as far as I'm concerned to follow some kind of American Horror Story formula for future seasons or whatever the hell it is they're trying to do when there was this much time invested in that story. I really don't care about when Carrie's next psychotic episode is going to be, maybe this is just me on a premature knee-jerk post season reaction and I'll come around but for fuck sakes.....

EDIT: Also i wasn't expecting them to just go all Hollywood for the finale and swoop in at the last second of Brody hanging there and then cutting him down, that would have been dumb but if his imminent execution was avoided in the first place maybe the character could have been salvaged in a much more interesting way.

[Dra508]

I'm on this same boat. Disappointed in this ending. They had like 5 chances to kill off Brody, but they had to do it that way? I don't know - maybe I'd have preferred a more hollywood death. I guess Carrie witnessing the execution was something

[Michalrose]

I agree this could have been and should have been the series finale. I guess it's the Carrie show after all.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

I agree this could have been and should have been the series finale. I guess it's the Carrie show after all.

That is what I mean.. The Carrie Show. The first two seasons I thought were fantastic and the thrill was there almost entirely. I just feel that this show has always been Carrie and Brody.. the two story lines always balanced each other. As much as we saw Brody's family and what was going on.. Carrie had no idea who they were or met them for a while, even though Brody and her finally joined each other on screen. It was the unknowing of the knowing when it came down to the cast. I feel they could have done so much more with Brody now all on his own and what not.. and what was going on with Carrie.

The entire time I was watching the Carrie story and freaking Dana's story that has absolutely nothing to do about anything.. I was wondering "What is Brody doing, what is up with Brody..". I just feel a bit duped.

[profane]

If the whole season was more focused on the trial like the season premiere and meanwhile tracking down Brody it would've been a lot better. I was ok with it right until the reveal where we learn that Carrie's situation was all part of Saul's plan and it didn't make much sense.

[Michalrose]

For me the connection between Carrie and Brody is what made it most interesting. The push and pull between them, the recognizing in each other their hurt and lost souls. The show will not be the same without Brody. I will watch the new season next year but halfheartedly unless they come up with a story line that equals or surpasses the excitement of season one.

[onthewall2983]

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2014/07/18/Homeland-S4-keyart_612x816.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A6vKiOM0Ws

[BrokenSpiral]

Awesome. Should be interesting. First time it will be a whole new story, pretty much.

[onthewall2983]

Kind of has to now, doesn't it.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

^^^Hah.. definitely does. I wonder if they will bring in another new face in between the season. I really do not know what to think of this yet. It lost some steam in the third season, and we all know who is gone so I am very skeptical how this is going to go.

[thelastdisciple]

What would have been interesting is if Brody was still alive and instead Abu Nazir or whatever his name is or his followers ended up going after his family, could you imagine if he lost his family how his priorities would've changed and maybe he'd undergo an operation for some cold hard revenge. It at least would have eliminated the eventual lame story lines with Dana that we had to suffer through in season 3. Yep it definitely would have been better had the family been killed off instead of Brody imo and to be honest i could never really see the big deal with Claire Danes and her "Carrie" character throughout the run of the show, her over hammed tantrums and psychotic acting always irritated me and i don't why it's her that's been getting all the praise, hell the only person on this show that was acting circles around anyone would have been Mandy Patinkin, at least he's still going to be around. Saul Berenson ftw!

I was sure i was done with this show before, at the moment I'm kinda on the fence though... we'll see i guess.

[LouLou]

I've been back and forth, but firmly back right now. We will see for how long. My son is utterly obssessed. We have been redecorating his room recently, and he has demanded khaki wall paper, and and an army bedspread. We got some cheap bed frames from Zen Bedrooms (http://www.zenbedrooms.com/beds.html) and he has darped over it that netting they used to in Vietnam!? And now he just lies in it all weekend watching old Homeland episodes interspersed with Heart of Darkness! :rolleyes:

[Dra508]

I watched the first two episodes the other day. It's fine. Carrie is still without a soul.

I like the NYT blog. Spoiler alert

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/12/homeland-recap-has-carrie-turned-evil/?

[koz-ivan]

Whomever did the baby casting is a freaking genius, I totally buy that kid as Brody's.

This season hasn't grabbed me yet, I hope that once the band gets back together or somebody steps up to fill Brody's (and family) screen time, that things will pick up a bit.

[Magtig]

Ew. That makeout scene has to be one of the most awkward and gross things I've ever seen. This show continues it's downward descent (heh, had to avoid 'downward spiral' there). Once again I can't figure out why I'm still watching.

When does The Americans start up again?

[Dra508]

Ew. That makeout scene has to be one of the most awkward and gross things I've ever seen. This show continues it's downward descent (heh, had to avoid 'downward spiral' there). Once again I can't figure out why I'm still watching.

When does The Americans start up again?

I really don't have a problem with Carrie doing everything, ethically or cringeworthy, to get her way. What she perceives as what is right. Character wise, I think we all might be bothered if it was Saul who made some of these choices.

I agree the show has run its course. Two seasons would have been enough. Like an extended mini series.

[Magtig]

I'm having a hard time putting my finger on what exactly bothers me about it so much. I don't think it's even a character thing so much as it just seems like godawful writing. I'd say cheap, but it seems an inadequate.

[littlemonkey613]

I'm having a hard time putting my finger on what exactly bothers me about it so much. I don't think it's even a character thing so much as it just seems like godawful writing. I'd say cheap, but it seems an inadequate.

I thought it made sense. She needs him under her complete control and he is vulnerable as fuck. She has no ethics in general, which I think this season has started to explore a lot (finally). I knew she was going to do that as soon as she found out about him as a power play, especially after she told the girl who works for her that touching his shoulder and stuff would make him more compliant.

[Dra508]

Ironic that Quinn becomes the moral compass of this show. Wasn't he introduced as CIA assassin? I will say, he does put on one of the better American accents.

[Rabbit]

i'm on season 3. i'm ready to fucking kick Clair danes in the fucking face. all she does is cry, literally she has cried in every single goddamn episode.
at this point i'm so far in there's no point in stopping but honestly i wish i never started.

[Dra508]

i'm on season 3. i'm ready to fucking kick Clair danes in the fucking face. all she does is cry, literally she has cried in every single goddamn episode.
at this point i'm so far in there's no point in stopping but honestly i wish i never started.Keep plugging along. This season all Carrie wants to do is fuck and kill.

[Dra508]

Mind meld.......

[blackholesun]

Pretty crazy cliffhanger/twist at the end of the most recent episode. I'm not 100% sure what to think, but it has been the most entertaining season since season 1 for sure.

[blackholesun]

Another great, suspenseful episode, sets up the last 2 episodes nicely. Goddamnit, Claire Danes can act.

[Dra508]

Another great, suspenseful episode, sets up the last 2 episodes nicely. Goddamnit, Claire Danes can act.

No the ambassador handing a belt to her husband can act.

Great episode. Looking forward to Sunday.

[thelastdisciple]

I haven't watched this latest season at all and i doubt that I'm going to but i heard Fara got killed off, that's super shitty :(

[blackholesun]

I haven't watched this latest season at all and i doubt that I'm going to but i heard Fara got killed off, that's super shitty :(

I can confirm your spoiler. I agree :(

This has been by far the best season of the show since the first. It's gone a little more 24ish, but I'll take that over the Brody Bunch anytime.

[Dra508]

I'm so confused by this week's last scene. [emoji53]

[jessamineny]

Yeah, I had to go to reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/homeland/comments/2pbl1i/spoiler_s4e11_who_was_in_the_car_with_him/)to find out who it was, and what it might mean.

[Dra508]

Yeah, I had to go to reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/homeland/comments/2pbl1i/spoiler_s4e11_who_was_in_the_car_with_him/)to find out who it was, and what it might mean.Oh, I knew who it was! Good job cliffhanging the episode with me saying to myself "what the fuck is he doing in that car?"

I gotta say, the writing is so up and down per episode. Isn't there someone who works on continuity? Carrie is rogue, Carrie isn't rogue. Quinn kills as he is told, Quinn wants to quit, Quinn is boring, Quinn goes rogue, Quinn has morals. Make up your freaking mind.

I want Saul back :(

[Dra508]

Apparently, the interweb is getting their panties in a bunch because of the finale was home, please. It was fine,

[thelastdisciple]

Wait..... what happened to Saul? they kill off yet another of the only good characters on this freaking show?

[LOVEANDZOMBIES]

No. Saul is fine.

As for what else is being said: These are complicated characters. As Quinn's ex mentioned, Quinn goes through phases of trying or at least longing to quit in order to maintain a sense that he's a good guy at the end of the day. But in reality, it's all he knows and he goes right back to it - much like an addict.

The guy in the back of the car, should have been quite evident to any longtime fan of the show. What it means? Regardless of what Dar says was the reason for his being there, the show is clearly giving him a more villainous role in the next season. When Quinn finds out he's going to flip his lid. As for Saul and Carries the tables are turning yet again. Dar as Saul in his corner, because like Quinn this is all Saul knows or wants to do. This season spoke to how miserable Saul's life has become, and he's now chomping at the bit, even making deals with the devil to get back where he wants to be.

Though the finale was strange for Carrie, in that she's now confronted and clearly occupied with a number of personal issues. But I think dealing with these issues, will allow the other developments in CIA and beyond to fester and grow into a formidable storyline which will cause Carrie to return to the fold.. Most likely by smacking her in the face.

I think the adversaries set up in this season were strong. We didn't get so the ISI woman throw down with Carrie per se, but we did get to see her towering over her on television while Carrie was completely out of the picture. The new ally in the ISI was cool, and the head terrorist in Islamabad wasn't one dimensional. As Dar said, they're looking at grooming him for political power of the region. I have a feeling they'll all be back.

[Dra508]

^^^Excellent assessment of the season LOVEANDZOMBIES. I think Saul was essentially blackmailed by Dar. Saul will get his power back, but now Dar will call all the shots. Maybe I missed something from previous seasons, but why doesn't DAR just go for the top job? Is the THAT spooky?

I do like how they wrapped Quinn's character development up. I agree with you about his feeling unable to quit on his own. He tried to "recruit" Carrie, but I think he figured out THAT wasn't going to work... Overall, a quiet end to a really violent season, but more open roads for just about all the main characters. Though, I'm not sure why Saul or Dar would want Carrie hanging around. She is the proverbial wild card.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

This season, I really didn't know what the expect after getting off the Brody story line and the show going in a new direction, but they really pulled it off. There was a lot going on, and it really kept you at the edge of your seat wanting the next episode as the last one ended (At least that is how I felt). After coming off such an extreme last couple of episodes, it was kind of erie for the characters to be back in regular life for a bit and it sure felt weird to me. Seeing Lockhart sitting down toasting was a bit odd I must say, but the way it ended... it somehow balanced everything out to set the story up for season 5. Season 3 was just very frustrating.

[Vic]

When they revealed why her mom had left them and what kind of behavior she had while she was married, I couldn't help but to think: "Well, that explains a lot."

I hope not to sound excessively sexist, but you know what I mean. :p

I don't know what to think about this season, the finale confused me, it seems like if the bad guys just won and Saul just betrayed himself and Carrie and all the people who died in Pakistan, I didn't understand it when they did something similar in season 3, but it was ultimately revealed that he was just pretending because they had a plan, however here he was decided to die before letting the terrorists win and now it seems like if he is going to accept a deal with the terrorists just to get his job at the CIA back, I just don't understand it.

Also, Quinn seems to be too impatient just for the drama, Carrie just asked him to wait a few days, if he really wanted to quit his job he could have waited, I know it has been said during the season that he has talked about quitting many times and he always returns, but it seems like if this time everything was just too rushed for the shake of the plot, he just kissed her and in a matter of hours she has to leave her whole life behind and run to his arms or otherwise he just leaves in a last minute convenient for the plot surprise suicide mission.

Also, the people of Pakistan seemed to be really pissed with the description of their country during this season, specially Islamabad, that seems to be very different to how it was portrayed in the show (I know something similar happened with other countries in past seasons), but after the recent terrorist attacks where so many kids were killed, I can't imagine how mad they can be when in this show they are protrayed as terrorist collaborators.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Peshawar_school_massacre

[onthewall2983]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtF2gRfgVmc

Finally got around to watching season 4. Much better than even this apologist for the show was expecting.

[october_midnight]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yBHxsTnIXg

[Dra508]

^^ Looks pretty good. I am hopeful.

[Dra508]

Watched the season premiere. I really do like Mandy Patankin's character. Like in that he isn't one dimensional.

I also like this show since they do location shoot - they maybe faking places for other places, but at least it doesn't all feel like it's on a sound stage.

[onthewall2983]

I also like this show since they do location shoot - they maybe faking places for other places, but at least it doesn't all feel like it's on a sound stage.

Most of season 4 was shot in South Africa, including interior stuff set in D.C.

The whole of the new season is being shot in Berlin, being the first American show to do so.

[Dra508]

Past episode- pretty good until the last scene. Meh.

[Dra508]

Resurrection: I'm enjoying this season. Mostly because it's in NY and Shaun Toub is in it.


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[onthewall2983]

I've enjoyed it too. I think they're building a good path to what will be their 8th and final season. I'm glad that for once, a Showtime program is planning their exit this early.

[WorzelG]

This series has been absolutely amazing so far, so on point politically. I guess knowledge of this fake news stuff has been out there before this past election made it common knowledge

[Dra508]

This series has been absolutely amazing so far, so on point politically. I guess knowledge of this fake news stuff has been out there before this past election made it common knowledgeAgreed. Hearing F. Murray Abraham say "For fuck sake" made my night. I'm at a lost as to who the actually bad guys are any more. Really.


For any of you who haven't watched this show in a couple of seasons, I think you can watch this season on it's own and be horrified and entertained at the same time.

Also Jeremy Scahill and Gil Scott Heron's voices in the opening credit is just the shizzle.

[WorzelG]

Agreed. Hearing F. Murray Abraham say "For fuck sake" made my night. I'm at a lost as to who the actually bad guys are any more. Really.


For any of you who haven't watched this show in a couple of seasons, I think you can watch this season on it's own and be horrified and entertained at the same time.

Also Jeremy Scahill and Gil Scott Heron's voices in the opening credit is just the shizzle.
When it first began with the female president I was thinking they'd dropped the ball a bit but she was nothing like Hillary Clinton and I was thinking about how bad it would be if they'd actually gone with reality and had a Trump like president, the show would have lost all its gravitas because he is such a buffoon. I'm not sure there's any way of seriously dramitising him and have it not be satire

[Dra508]

Ummm, I don't know, maybe, could it be real, what the fuck.

[onthewall2983]

Fuck the AV Club for giving this season a rather tepid review. Last night's episode was one of their best finales, and the first half was probably just as intense as the first season's finale.

[Bachy]

I didn't like how they killed off Quinn. If his ultimate fate in this show was to die, I would have preferred they did it last season. They gave him a real nice send-off in that particular finale. It feels like they barely acknowledged his death which is a real shame for a character of that magnitude. I'm curious to see where this show goes now. Quinn was basically carrying it since Brody's death.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

**SPOILERS**


Finally was able to catch up on the last season so I could be in time for the premiere tonight, and holy shit did it deliver. Season 6 took awhile to get off the ground, but it wound up being really solid. The only real reason I was so engaged was the performance of Rupert Friend as everyone's favorite character on the show, Peter Quinn. At first I was really pissed on how they turned his character into a barely functioning cripple in the beginning, but after finding out that he still had his wit made me really happy and excited to see what was coming next from him. Fuck though, it was so depressing at times seeing him struggle with his demons and what he became after his stroke and it was so freaking powerful, I am surprised that he didn't get more recognition for that performance he put on the screen. I agree as well his death was not handled the way I thought the show would have instead we got a mention of his memorial and that is about it. Overall, it was probably my least favorite season, and Friend definitely carried the season and much of the past seasons to be honest.

As for the premiere.... WOW. Not only did it have my anxiety driven right away, but Carrie seems to be back in her own skin and I love it. Very strong way to open the new season and keep the audience on it's heels with this whole Elizabeth nightmare. Cannot wait to see where this season takes us, because everything is literally up in the air and this is only the first episode.

[ItsChrisRoss]

**SPOILERS**


Finally was able to catch up on the last season so I could be in time for the premiere tonight, and holy shit did it deliver. Season 6 took awhile to get off the ground, but it wound up being really solid. The only real reason I was so engaged was the performance of Rupert Friend as everyone's favorite character on the show, Peter Quinn. At first I was really pissed on how they turned his character into a barely functioning cripple in the beginning, but after finding out that he still had his wit made me really happy and excited to see what was coming next from him. Fuck though, it was so depressing at times seeing him struggle with his demons and what he became after his stroke and it was so freaking powerful, I am surprised that he didn't get more recognition for that performance he put on the screen. I agree as well his death was not handled the way I thought the show would have instead we got a mention of his memorial and that is about it. Overall, it was probably my least favorite season, and Friend definitely carried the season and much of the past seasons to be honest.

As for the premiere.... WOW. Not only did it have my anxiety driven right away, but Carrie seems to be back in her own skin and I love it. Very strong way to open the new season and keep the audience on it's heels with this whole Elizabeth nightmare. Cannot wait to see where this season takes us, because everything is literally up in the air and this is only the first episode.

First three seasons were the best IMO. Once Brody died, it seemed like the show couldnt find its purpose, but then did again with Quinn. Now that Quinn is gone, the biggest question I keep asking myself is how long can this show go on, and where can it go? They keep killing off the most interesting characters, and each season comes back to the fact that Carrie is biopolar. How many times can they use that as part of the storyline? I will keep watching because I love the show, but I would be shocked if next season (Season 8) is its last. Usually 8-9 seasons is the average shelf life for a series nowadays.

[ItsChrisRoss]

I didn't like how they killed off Quinn. If his ultimate fate in this show was to die, I would have preferred they did it last season. They gave him a real nice send-off in that particular finale. It feels like they barely acknowledged his death which is a real shame for a character of that magnitude. I'm curious to see where this show goes now. Quinn was basically carrying it since Brody's death.

I agree with everything in this statement.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

First three seasons were the best IMO. Once Brody died, it seemed like the show couldnt find its purpose, but then did again with Quinn. Now that Quinn is gone, the biggest question I keep asking myself is how long can this show go on, and where can it go? They keep killing off the most interesting characters, and each season comes back to the fact that Carrie is biopolar. How many times can they use that as part of the storyline? I will keep watching because I love the show, but I would be shocked if next season (Season 8) is its last. Usually 8-9 seasons is the average shelf life for a series nowadays.

I respectfully disagree. Carrie's bipolar problem is a major factor of who she is... It is a part of her. So her living with her sister and her family, it makes sense that this would come back up in any form in the future after she literally brings her kid and her sisters kid in the middle of all her crap. Her being on and off her meds was a pretty chilling part of the series when she was locking herself up in rooms because at that point in the series, she was able to work better off of them. It really hasn't been a focal point in the series for quite some time, so juxtaposing her behavior when she is off her meds is valid because she has a addictive personality with or without them. We knew this already yes, but it's a big deal when she really puts the country over literally anything.

I find it amazing that Quinn even lasted as long as he did with the situations he was thrown into since him and Carrie first met way back, as for the other characters like Dal. Every character in Homeland has been expendable, and now I see it as catching up to all of them. However, I do agree that the next season should be it's last... But who knows where this season will take us. It's off to a great start.

[DVYDRNS]

The finale was great. I can’t believe nobody is talking about it! Goodbye to the best show on television of this past decade.

[ekrekel]

The finale was great. I can’t believe nobody is talking about it! Goodbye to the best show on television of this past decade.

I came here to find folks talking about this yesterday, but it hadn't floated to the top. I agree, it was good.

I don't understand why Carrie didn't realize she had enough info on the Russian Asset for the Kremlin folks to figure it out before going after Saul. I'm certain if she described the spy as a female English teacher in the Berlin academy ~1985 the GRU would have figured it out. Unless of course she wanted to give the asset a chance of surviving, but that short of Carrie getting the facilitator lady to call off the kill team early enough for Saul to make the call. That seems like a real stretch.

Biggest issue with the episode was when Saul's sister tells Carrie her front door locks automatically when you close it. They go in and out that door from both sides 4-5 times after that. I guess the continuity review team bailed out early.

If you've not checked out homeland it's a solid binge candidate.

[DVYDRNS]

yea that door detail seems like a detail that was added for no reason. maybe things took a different turn in the edit.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Little details like that didn't derail me from enjoying this send-off. In the end, Carrie is better off away from the people she is closest too, with her and Saul's relationship literally coming full circle. Saul's face at the end and even Carrie's is such a subtle but powerful way to show that they will always need each other in some form and that the race will never end.

Starting the episode with Brody's message and ending it off with the jazz music... Ugh... So so good.

[WorzelG]

Not read any details or spoilers but I’m 2 episodes off the end and am definitely on the Homeland train this season. Started this season just wanting Carrie to get revenge on Yevgeny and now I don’t know what to think, it never gives you what you want does it?

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Not read any details or spoilers but I’m 2 episodes off the end and am definitely on the Homeland train this season. Started this season just wanting Carrie to get revenge on Yevgeny and now I don’t know what to think, it never gives you what you want does it?

It really doesn't and that is what I love about the show. Total return to form for season 7 and 8.

[onthewall2983]

Binged the last two seasons this weekend. They stuck the landing, something nearly impossible if a show goes on that long. I was encouraged by hearing that the series was finishing up with an 8th season, before the 7th started. Showtime has notoriously let shows go on for far too long, but because of the prescient nature of this, it made sense that they went the distance.