11/08/2022, The Midterms, aka build on 2020 aka The Election Thread

[Jinsai]

Fuck Anderson Cooper. When the day comes to vote, I'm going to, and I sure as shit am not going to vote for Trump, nor am I going to forget those 4 hellish years where, after a lifetime of failing upwards, he made life complete hell for anyone with half a brain. I will be desperate to vote. I know he's the front runner. I know there's morons who love him. I know some of those people are family and friends. Fuck them, and fuck him.

I've already lost a friend to Trump and Tucker Carlson. Literally. The guy just ghosted me because he loves Tucker. Whatever. Fuck him.

[allegate]

This is worth watching:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn_BGzra5gQ
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th/id/OIP.vS8lmhEAHRweahG1PR0gHAHaFP?pid=ImgDet&rs=1

Not so much the laugh part, but that's my reaction in general.

[bobbie solo]

He doesn't really have a lot of networks to choose from at this point. He's talked too much shit about Fox News (and cost them money thanks to the whole Dominion lawsuit), so odds are he won't be back on there for a while. He could go to Newsmax, but they don't have the number of viewers that he wants (and far too many nutjobs). MSNBC is never going to happen.

I completely understand your point, but he's been on Fox plenty for a while now. He has sat down with Tucker & Hannity recently for example.

[GulDukat]

Gul Dukat kind of reminds me of a well-spoken, vastly more intelligent version of Trump. I could see those two getting along very well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDpxuWj2A7o

[GulDukat]

Josh Hawley has a new book out titled Manhood: The Masculine Virtues America Needs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsTPtnWIn1c

[versusreality]

DeSantis announcing tomorrow on twitter in a convo with Elon Musk. eff them both.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/benjysarlin/status/1661508642301005824

[GulDukat]

https://twitter.com/benjysarlin/status/1661508642301005824

I saw a clip of it. It turned a non-event into a slightly humorous non-event.

[Khrz]

Well it successfully cemented Twitter as a far right-wing soapbox once and for all, with Elon gladly providing the wobbly footstool.
So there's that.

[GulDukat]

Biden, Trump tied in Michigan: poll (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4053251-biden-trump-tied-in-michigan-poll/)

How is this possible? I just don't get it. I don't understand the world anymore.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/McJesse/status/1673562848377847808

[GulDukat]

Trump could win in 2024:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvkg_8_c39A

[GulDukat]

Vivek Ramaswamy sounds awful. (https://www.axios.com/2023/05/12/vivek-ramaswamy-trump-gop-2024)

He wants to get rid of the FBI, IRS and the Department of Education. He also wants to raise the voting age to 25.

[allegate]

you want to raise it to 25? cool. make a maximum age then, to include who can serve in government.

[BRoswell]

He also wants to raise the voting age to 25.

Can't win the youth vote? Just get rid of it!

[Something Underneath]

Trump could win in 2024:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvkg_8_c39A
Woudn't be shocked in the slightest. There's no real world consequences when it comes to this guy.

[GulDukat]

If Trump does win in 2024, it won't be like Bush in 2000/2004 or even Trump in 2016, it will feel so much worse. And the sad part is, he would likely win while losing the popular vote (again). I just don't understand the world anymore.

[bobbie solo]

No point in even discussing any other Repub candidate unless Trump dies, ends up in the hospital, or gets convicted in one of the more serious cases next year (meaning, not the NY one). He's the candidate.

[M1ke]

I can't live with the anxiety and dread of worrying about him winning right now.

We've got at least another year and a half of Biden, and I can't do anything about what happens after that, but I can at least enjoy this before the world ends (if it does).

[allegate]

special election coming up?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSX-B2UJqmk

[richardp]

I don’t give a fuck, I laughed like a motherfucker when I saw the video of Mitch. Good riddance you evil old fuck.

[BRoswell]

I know this sort of thing can happen at any age (see John Fetterman), but this is why we need term limits. We should not have representatives still serving in their 80s. Doesn't matter what party they're affiliated with.

[marodi]

That awkward moment when someone finds your "off" switch.

[GulDukat]

special election coming up?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSX-B2UJqmk

Looks like a mini-stroke.

[Wretchedest]

Melt faster, bitch!

[versusreality]

The right wing media would be going nuts if this happened to Biden

[chuckrh]

special election coming up?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSX-B2UJqmk
Keeping in mind that he's from Kentucky the replacement could be really fucking scary.

[allegate]

Very true. The governor, who in 99% of states appoints the replacement, is a Democrat but the legislature passed a law stripping him of most of those powers so yeah the replacement could be terrible.

[GulDukat]

Trump and Biden are tied at 43% (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/01/us/politics/biden-trump-poll.html)

Terrifying

The 2024 election (as of now) is a coin toss.

[chuckrh]

Trump and Biden are tied at 43% (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/01/us/politics/biden-trump-poll.html)

Terrifying

The 2024 election (as of now) is a coin toss.

You want to get really scary? How about Trump running with Marjorie Taylor-Greene for VP. Trump kicks (statisically likely) & she ends up president. We're talking the end of days here....

[GulDukat]

You want to get really scary? How about Trump running with Marjorie Taylor-Greene for VP. Trump kicks (statisically likely) & she ends up president. We're talking the end of days here....

I'm thinking Trump (if he is the nominee) runs with someone from PA.

[allegate]

Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy raps to Eminem’s “Lose Yourself” at the Iowa State Fair on August 12, 2023. (Chip Somodevilla / Getty)

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/6ii0Rt77aNIL4GhGkXvPWghJWQ0=/700x467/media/newsletters/2023/08/GettyImages_1610282769-1/original.jpg

wtf

[GulDukat]

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/6ii0Rt77aNIL4GhGkXvPWghJWQ0=/700x467/media/newsletters/2023/08/GettyImages_1610282769-1/original.jpg

wtf


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMin0i_h8PI

[GulDukat]

Republican voters think Trump is electable. They may be right (https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/19/politics/trump-polling-indictments-republican-primary-biden/index.html)

Scary.

[GulDukat]

Most recent Yougov poll: Trump 44% Biden 43%
(https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/)
What the hell?

[allegro]

Most recent Yougov poll: Trump 44% Biden 43%
(https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/)
What the hell?

I used to gather and analyze data for a living for several years. And it bugs me when the media cherry-picks data re elections, not to report the data but to INFLUENCE the election results; because the latter is what they’ve been attempting, for many years.

This poll sample: 1500 U.S. Adult citizens (1303 registered voters)

(Number of voters in 2020 U.S. Presidential Election: 154.6 million)

Survey Mode: Web-based interviews

Look at all of the answers to the questions in the poll.

2. Do you have a favorable or an unfavorable opinion of the following people?

Donald Trump: Very Unfavorable: 46%, Very Favorable: 24%

Joe Biden: Very Unfavorable: 44%, Very Favorable: 17%, Somewhat Favorable: 24%

Look at Number 9 on this poll.

If election for president were held today, who would you vote for:
The Democratic Party candidate: 42%
The Republican Party candidate: 41%

The people in this poll aren’t serious people; their answers are all over the place. If you truly analyze their answers, they’re far too inconsistent to take seriously.

Remember the 2012 Presidential Election? Romney’s people were SO confident in national polls and in their own polling, they went out and spent a small fortune in fireworks for the celebration that never happened.

We have to try our best to not be frightened or influenced by the media pumping out what amounts to propaganda, especially via these cherry-picked polls. Democrats and Independents just need to show up, en masse, regardless of any crap the media is spewing.

Sorry for long post. :/

[allegate]

Mitch McConnell freezes, struggles to speak in second incident this summer (https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/30/mitch-mcconnell-freezes-struggles-to-speak-in-second-incident-this-summer.html)

Maybe the governor should have a talk with him about retiring? ha!

oh I made myself sad.

[BRoswell]

I see there's still some issues with the McConnellBot 3000.

[Wretchedest]

It's better than the headlines can do justice. The question was: are you planning to run for reelection in 2026? That's when the robot turns off. Amazing

[GulDukat]

I used to gather and analyze data for a living for several years. And it bugs me when the media cherry-picks data re elections, not to report the data but to INFLUENCE the election results; because the latter is what they’ve been attempting, for many years.

This poll sample: 1500 U.S. Adult citizens (1303 registered voters)

(Number of voters in 2020 U.S. Presidential Election: 154.6 million)

Survey Mode: Web-based interviews

Look at all of the answers to the questions in the poll.

2. Do you have a favorable or an unfavorable opinion of the following people?

Donald Trump: Very Unfavorable: 46%, Very Favorable: 24%

Joe Biden: Very Unfavorable: 44%, Very Favorable: 17%, Somewhat Favorable: 24%

Look at Number 9 on this poll.

If election for president were held today, who would you vote for:
The Democratic Party candidate: 42%
The Republican Party candidate: 41%

The people in this poll aren’t serious people; their answers are all over the place. If you truly analyze their answers, they’re far too inconsistent to take seriously.

Remember the 2012 Presidential Election? Romney’s people were SO confident in national polls and in their own polling, they went out and spent a small fortune in fireworks for the celebration that never happened.

We have to try our best to not be frightened or influenced by the media pumping out what amounts to propaganda, especially via these cherry-picked polls. Democrats and Independents just need to show up, en masse, regardless of any crap the media is spewing.

Sorry for long post. :/

But most national polls have Trump and Biden in a statistical tie (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/).

The Trump-Biden voter in a handful of purple states could easily swing back to Trump in 2024.

If it is a Trump-Biden rematch, it will be a coin toss.

[allegro]

But most national polls have Trump and Biden in a statistical tie (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/).

The Trump-Biden voter in a handful of purple states could easily swing back to Trump in 2024.

If it is a Trump-Biden rematch, it will be a coin toss.

Trump’s January 6 Federal trial is set to start in March of 2024. There are states already fighting to keep Trump off the ballot in 2024 based on his violating the 14th amendment.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4171623-florida-lawyer-files-challenge-to-disqualify-trump-from-2024-race-citing-14th-amendment/amp/.

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4155537-the-constitution-bars-trump-from-holding-public-office-ever-again/amp/


Biden creamed Trump in 2020, by a HUGE margin. Black voters showed up, and so did women who support black voters. I hope Trump is the candidate, because he’s easier to beat. He’s polarizing. People hate him. He gets people who hate him to the polls. The only thing better would be if Trump loses the primary then runs as an independent and bleeds off Republican votes so they lose. I hope there’s a brokered GOP convention, and Trump loses and he starts his own party and takes Vivek with him. And, that Liz Cheney runs as an independent and bleeds off some Republican votes.

[GulDukat]

Be careful what you wish for.

[allegro]

Be careful what you wish for.

What if it’s Nikki Haley? We have ZERO idea how Haley would perform in a national election. Especially against Biden. She has a lot of foreign policy experience. She was the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations. She was also a Governor. And she’s a POC (Indian American). She’s won MANY awards. She’s a 4th-level black belt in taekwondo.

I hope SHE doesn’t win the nomination. (Although, she’s a lot less scary than a lot of those OTHER awful Republicans.)

Let’s look at some prior polling:

Here’s 2007, Clinton was “the favorite” to win the primary according to all polls: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_2008_Democratic _Party_presidential_primaries#2007

https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/fivethirtyeight-0404-ep_dem08-blog4801.png?w=1424

Here’s 1991:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/fivethirtyeight-0404-ep_dem92-blog4801.png?w=1424

[Jinsai]

All I know is I'm going to vote, and I'm not voting for Trump, and I'm sad my vote won't matter, but that's how it is if you live in California.

[GulDukat]

All of the Republican candidates are awful. Asa Hutchinson is probably the least worst.

[allegro]

All I know is I'm going to vote, and I'm not voting for Trump, and I'm sad my vote won't matter, but that's how it is if you live in California.

Your vote absolutely matters, 100%.

California chose Nixon (twice), George HW Bush, and Reagan (twice).

In the Presidential race, when you vote for a Presidential candidate you are actually voting for your candidate's preferred electors.

If enough people think their vote doesn’t matter and they stay home? The state flips red.


All of the Republican candidates are awful. Asa Hutchinson is probably the least worst.

Ugh, he’s awful, too. Pandering right-wing weirdo. They’re ALL awful extremists. It’s, like, how bad a Nazi do we get if enough of our side doesn’t get to the polls?

And we can’t ONLY focus on the Presidential race; Congressional races are equally important. So are state races (probably MORE).

[GulDukat]

I'm in MA and my vote is worthless. There are 5-6 states that will determine the election. They might as well only have the election in those states, and the winner of the popular vote becomes president. It's basically what he have now.

Nixon and Reagan were a long, long time ago. Trump ain't winning CA.

[Jinsai]

I agree with your sentiment @allegro (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76), but the end truth is that the presidential vote in CA at this point is predetermined. That doesn't mean it won't change though. After all, this entire country once voted for Reagan.

[allegro]

I agree with your sentiment @allegro (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76), but the end truth is that the presidential vote in CA at this point is predetermined. That doesn't mean it won't change though. After all, this entire country once voted for Reagan.

A lot of the country voted for Reagan because they bought his bullshit and he CHEATED with the Iran hostages. That’s now been PROVEN.

Carter was WAY ahead of his time. Reagan, obviously, was a total piece of shit; a former union rep who sold blue collar workers a bunch of dreamy shit, then fucked them all over for generations.

Nobody is saying that Trump will win California; all I’m saying is, don’t let your guard down. I grew up in Michigan, which has been totally blue since Reagan; then Michigan voted for Trump - WHICH WAS PRETTY FUCKING SHOCKING. I believe this was due to people not showing up (vs. pro-Trump people in Michigan). It didn’t help that a lot of voting machines broke down in Detroit on election night in 2016.

In the recent midterms, Michigan flipped the entire legislature totally blue, and the governor retained her seat. Because blue voters SHOWED THE FUCK UP. They weren’t letting 2016 happen again. Look what happened with the state Supreme Court seat in Wisconsin, recently. The blue voters SHOWED THE FUCK UP, EN MASSE! And flipped the Wisconsin Supreme Court to liberal. This is HUGE, because the court can now rule on the state’s bullshit gerrymandering that’s made the state’s legislature totally red, even though its largest populated areas are totally blue.

The national Democratic primaries switched the order, and the first primary is now in SC (instead of those bullshit caucuses in Iowa and the useless primary in New Hampshire). EVERY state’s Electoral Vote counts. ESPECIALLY California’s. They all have to add up to a majority of 270. Dems would be fucked if it wasn’t for California’s votes.

Obviously, I hate the EC and want to get rid of it. But an Amendment to the Constitution in THIS political climate is damned near impossible (see requirements for a Constitutional Amendment).

Sorry for long post again :/

[Jinsai]

Reagan, obviously, was a total piece of shit; a former union rep who sold blue collar workers a bunch of dreamy shit, then fucked them all over for generations.

Throw in his religious pandering and there you have the reason the GOP was lionizing him before they jumped on the desperate Trump train.

[allegro]

Throw in his religious pandering and there you have the reason the GOP was lionizing him before they jumped on the desperate Trump train.
Yes, and look how very different the two of them are. Sure, they’re both awful. But, Trump somehow makes Reagan look LESS awful and I didn’t even think that was fucking POSSIBLE.

I guess it shows us how much more far right the country has gone since Reagan, and maybe how much dumber they’ve gotten? How much more selfish and capitalistic they’ve gotten? It’s just so much fucking worse. Trump’s been INDICTED 4x! And they still love him! The Republicans are SUPPORTING him! They’re equally criminal! It’s insane!

[GulDukat]

"In 2016 (https://www.rawstory.com/trump-history-dictator/), I declared, I am your voice," said Trump (https://www.rawstory.com/trump-news/?utm_campaign=SmartLinks) in one clip. "Today, I add that I am your warrior, I am your justice, and for those who have been wronged and been betrayed, I am your retribution. In the end, they're not coming after me, they're coming after you, and I am just standing in their way. Here I am, standing in their way." In a second clip he said, "Every time the radical left Democrats, Marxists, communists, fascists indict me, I consider it a great, great, great badge of honor ... because I am being indicted for you."

This shit is getting scary.

I live in a suburb of Boston, and on my jog today I saw three houses with Trump flags and homemade banners. It's just anecdotal, but I think it points to something--people are angry and frustrated and going to Trump. I am afraid.

"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross"?--Sinclair Lewis

[BRoswell]

This shit is getting scary.

It's always been scary, but the amount of people who see Trump as a modern day Jesus is incredibly disturbing. As a child, my father always warned me to look out for false prophets that would lead me astray. Now he's part of the Trump cult. It's a shame that a lot of people who believe that can't see the false prophet that's right in front of them.

[GulDukat]

"Every time the radical left Democrats, Marxists, communists, fascists indict me, I consider it a great, great, great badge of honor ... because I am being indicted for you."

[allegate]

I'm so worried that the first thing that came to mind is "indict me harder daddy"

[GulDukat]

Why Biden Just Can’t Shake Trump in the Polls (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/why-biden-just-can-t-shake-trump-in-the-polls/ar-AA1g8GO2)

[allegate]

How the Electoral College Was Nearly Abolished in 1970 (https://www.history.com/news/electoral-college-nearly-abolished-thurmond)


Thurmond sent personal telegrams to Black and Jewish leaders in New York, Chicago and Detroit, explaining that a direct popular vote would erode their political influence. If minority voting blocs could no longer ensure a winner-take-all electoral victory, they would risk losing their seat at the table.

To Bayh’s dismay, a group of NAACP lobbyists came into his Senate office in 1970 and asked him to drop the amendment.

“I said, ‘Look, I busted my tail to see that each of you and your constituencies got one person, one vote,’” recalled Bayh in a 2009 interview. “‘Now you’re telling me that if you have 1.01, you want to keep it? Get your rear ends out of my office and don’t come back.’”Strom Thurmond and the NAACP(?!) combined to get this cancelled. WTAF.

[allegate]

https://assets.amuniversal.com/ecb0b13028ca013c140c005056a9545d

[Jinsai]

well he is good at crying about shit and getting attention

[GulDukat]

https://assets.amuniversal.com/ecb0b13028ca013c140c005056a9545d

People blame Biden for inflation and gas prices and buy the narrative that Republicans are better at handling the economy.

[Space Suicide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRCtaDfwm7c

I'm dying of laughter.

[poinoup]

Lindell went full lumpy pillow. You never go full lumpy pillow.