Korea

[GulDukat]

This is getting really frightening.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/10/trump-north-korea-rhetoric-military-response-241510?cmpid=sf

What a war with North Korea would look like:

http://www.newsweek.com/2017/05/05/what-war-north-korea-looks-588861.html

[Jinsai]

yes, it's terrifying on a million levels.

[theimage13]

Leaked footage of negotiations between Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09m9ltjwuJU

[onthewall2983]

https://twitter.com/AP/status/896016454482632704

[allegro]

And there's this (China warns N Korea that China won't help if NK strikes US first): http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-china-north-korea-20170811-story.html

[thelastdisciple]

I know the chances have definitely been there simmering under the surface for a while but i feel like there's a lot of fear-mongering going on and exaggeration. These asshole leaders and their posturing, the media that almost seems like they're trying to egg it on or make SOMETHING happen with the way they like to string stuff along for ratings/entertainment, making predictions and doomsday scenarios IF something where to happen, shit like that can potentially just add more fuel to the fire can't it? That's what alarms me more than the rhetoric/narrative. I suppose it's all like dominos though, it starts somewhere.

[thevoid99]

This shit is fucking scary. The worse part is that it's two immature and idiotic men that are trading insults and we're the victims.

[elevenism]

I'm concerned about where China stands.
They made clear that they won't back NK up if NK strikes first. I suppose this means that if we launch a preemptive strike, China WILL stand with NK.

[Jinsai]

I'm concerned about where China stands.
They made clear that they won't back NK up if NK strikes first. I suppose this means that if we launch a preemptive strike, China WILL stand with NK.

Pretty much it seems.

[marodi]

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20728066_1467889793300209_2395175719160852882_n.jp g?oh=1b0a49ed96ced68a13c82548bacdd766&oe=5A345A7A

[Deepvoid]

And there's this (China warns N Korea that China won't help if NK strikes US first): http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-china-north-korea-20170811-story.html

But they also said that the would prevent the US and South Korea to attack NK first. It takes away Trump's ability to go ahead with surgical strikes against NK.

[Boots]

This shit is fucking scary. The worse part is that it's two immature and idiotic men that are trading insults and we're the victims.
My thoughts exactly.

[thevoid99]

I'm going to say this in case we get nuked and shit. I really love you guys. You're some of the most sensible people I have met and if we're going to die in the hands of some douchebag, nonsensical, egomaniacal, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, anti-humanist fuckhead. At least I'm happy to know that I have died discovering some great music and great films and all thanks to you. I really mean that.

[onthewall2983]

North Korea now says it won't fire missiles at Guam (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/15/543603140/north-korea-says-it-wont-fire-missiles-at-guam-after-all?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20170815)

[thelastdisciple]

Kimmy with these nuclear tests lately..
https://i.giphy.com/media/ziLadIVnOGCKk/giphy.webp

http://wapo.st/2gu3qcF

[Haysey_Draws]

North Korea threatens to sink Japan and turn US to 'ashes and darkness'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/14/north-korea-threat-sink-japan-us-ashes-darkness

The Korea Asia-Pacific peace committee said, and i quote "The four islands of the [Japanese] archipelago should be sunken into the sea by the nuclear bomb of Juche, Japan is no longer needed to exist near us" and "Let’s reduce the US mainland into ashes and darkness. Let’s vent our spite with mobilisation of all retaliation means which have been prepared till now"

...fucking hell!

[Haysey_Draws]

Trump in a speech to the UN

"have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea"

...well it was nice knowing you all, good luck to everyone in WWIII.

[thevoid99]

Trump in a speech to the UN

"have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea"

...well it was nice knowing you all, good luck to everyone in WWIII.

Yeah, I'll miss you too.

[elevenism]

Yeah, I'll miss you too.Yeah, it's been cool.

[Bachy]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-27-2016/X_35Ug.gif

[elevenism]

So B1 bombers flying over the DMZ todayhttp://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/09/bombers-fly-close-north-korea-show-force-170923180826244.html

[elevenism]

so NK just released these doctored photos showing attacks on us targets http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-korea-us-bomber-pyongyang-propaganda-photos-donald-trump-a7964026.html

[Haysey_Draws]

North Korea accuses US of declaring war
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41391978

...well this is going exactly how i thought it would :(

[marodi]

North Korea accuses US of declaring war


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41391978

...well this is going exactly how i thought it would :(
allegro Remember when the Soviets shot down Korean Air Lines Flight 007 in 1983, at the height of the Cold War, when Reagan the Cowboy was in the White House? Even he was smart enough not to start WW3.

That headline gave me flashback of that (even though no planes are being shot down yet) and with the idiots now involved, there is a very real chance we are all going to die. I hope otters will survive and take over the Earth.

I'm going to go eat tons of poutine now. It was nice knowing you all.

[Dryalex12]

I'm assuming I'm the only one here remaining optimistic

[richardp]

I'm assuming I'm the only one here remaining optimistic

Probably. I sure know that I genuinely wake up every morning knowing there's a 50/50 chance that today could be the first day of a nuclear winter. I don't personally understand how anyone can be optimistic at this point that nothing will actually happen.

[Dryalex12]

Probably. I sure know that I genuinely wake up every morning knowing there's a 50/50 chance that today could be the first day of a nuclear winter. I don't personally understand how anyone can be optimistic at this point that nothing will actually happen.

This isn't the first time NK has "declared" war on us. Too much unnecessary stress and fear leads to bad things happening, regardless of who you are. Most of the time, all these articles and news reports are intentionally leaving out important details, creating more panic then there already is. Yes, it is a scary thought of this going to shit, so far, the missiles can't even reach the west coast.

It's sorta disheartening to see you guys just give up like that, but we also have no idea what the missile or even the bombs actually do. For all we know, they are just pulling everything out their asses, but then again I have no idea what the fuck I'm even talking about so how would I know what to do. I Just don't enjoy you all saying "welp, we are fucked, nothing we can do now, nice seeing you". I'm not saying this situation is down the shitter, but that's not to say it can't ever get any better.

Take my opinion with a grain of salt, it's just my opinion, not a fact

[Exocet]

@allegro (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76) Remember when the Soviets shot down Korean Air Lines Flight 007 in 1983, at the height of the Cold War, when Reagan the Cowboy was in the White House? Even he was smart enough not to start WW3.

That headline gave me flashback of that (even though no planes are being shot down yet) and with the idiots now involved, there is a very real chance we are all going to die. I hope otters will survive and take over the Earth.

I'm going to go eat tons of poutine now. It was nice knowing you all.

North Korea aint the Soviet Union they had 10.000 Hydrogen bombs, NK is pathetic and one of the poorest places on earth,however I do agree this Korea situation is getting really dangerous.
When Trump is threatening to destroy NK he is talking to China, telling China they have had enough of their bullshit, I think its actually really scaring China now.

[onthewall2983]

BBC: How worried should you be? (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40882877)

[elevenism]

It might get really interesting, like, walking dead level interesting.

[Haysey_Draws]

I wouldn't say i've given up (take any post i make as a slightly pessimistic/dark humor kind of way) but yeah the situation is very worrying, especially given how the current "leaders" are just having a very public dick measuring contest (i use the term "leaders" loosely here as they are anything but)

...still it's all pretty grim.

[elevenism]

Oh shit. Here we go. The Pentagon is calling for a ground invasion. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ground-invasion-only-way-destroy-north-korea-s-nuclear-arsenal-n817651

Edit: I misunderstood the article. The Pentagon isn't CALLING for a ground invasion. Rather, they are saying that a ground invasion would be the only way to completely wipe out North Korea's nuclear capabilities.
They made this grim assessment in response to Democratic senators asking about potential casualties in a theoretical conflict between the U.S. and North Korea.

[Dryalex12]

https://news.sky.com/story/north-korea-calls-for-reunification-with-south-korea-11221519

Bet no one saw this comming

[thevoid99]

https://news.sky.com/story/north-korea-calls-for-reunification-with-south-korea-11221519

Bet no one saw this comming

I heard about this and.... I don't think it's a good idea.

[Dryalex12]

I heard about this and.... I don't think it's a good idea.

Are you high? Are you just never happy? This great progress for Korea, they talking, working this out...and you dont want that?

[thevoid99]

Are you high? Are you just never happy? This great progress for Korea, they talking, working this out...and you dont want that?

This is from North Korea that wants the reunification. We all know that they'll use South Korea and go completely ape shit. Plus, it might lead into total chaos and maybe Korean War II.

[Demogorgon]

thevoid99 has a point. North Korea has wanted "reunification" ever since the Korean War concluded, because they still feel that South Korea is a bunch of rebels who need brought to heel and controlled. I for one would be EXTREMELY skeptical of any reunification plan proposed by North Korea.

[Dryalex12]

Well with pessimists like this, we are never gonna move forward, we didn't solve shit by having no hope, that fact they are willing, be it for good or bad, is still a step forward. Honestly, you people need a little bit of optimism

[theimage13]

North Korea Say it Will Suspend Nuclear and Missile Tests; Shut Down Test Site (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/north-korean-leader-suspends-nuclear-and-missile-tests-shuts-down-test-site/2018/04/20/71ff2eea-44e7-11e8-baaf-8b3c5a3da888_story.html?utm_term=.87a1724218d6)

[theimage13]

We're not talking about this? I mean, it's still very much in an "I'll believe it when I see it" state for me, but this seems like the kind of thing that kids might be reading about in high school history textbooks some day.

Full text of the Panmunjeom Declaration (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/04/27/the-panmmunjom-declaration-full-text-of-agreement-between-north-korea-and-south-korea/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7d7ff3578641)

Here's how it starts off:


During this momentous period of historical transformation on the Korean Peninsula, reflecting the enduring aspiration of the Korean people for peace, prosperity and unification, President Moon Jae-in of the Republic of Korea and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea held an Inter-Korean Summit Meeting at the ‘Peace House’ at Panmunjeom on April 27, 2018.

The two leaders solemnly declared before the 80 million Korean people and the whole world that there will be no more war on the Korean Peninsula and thus a new era of peace has begun.

The two leaders, sharing the firm commitment to bring a swift end to the Cold War relic of longstanding division and confrontation, to boldly approach a new era of national reconciliation, peace and prosperity, and to improve and cultivate inter-Korean relations in a more active manner, declared at this historic site of Panmunjeom as follows:

[M1ke]

I saw it this morning....it seems so out of the blue to me.

Such a short period of time ago Trump was threatening to blow up North Korea, and North Korea was threatening to launch nukes at the mainland US, and now suddenly they're going to dismantle their nuclear program?

It's great if it's real, but it seems very out of the blue.

[Demogorgon]

It's interesting to note that South Korea's leadership credited Trump with bringing everyone to the table to begin with. And about a week ago, when Trump said that NK was willing to completely denuclearize, nearly every major media outlet said he was exaggerating at best and flat out lying at worst. yet, here we are. It's crazy to think that the one thing Trump got right is preventing a potential nuclear war.

[Leviathant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_gwnFSFzv0

[ricardo]

Why do I feel this would have never happened under Obama?

[theimage13]

Why do I feel this would have never happened under Obama?

NBC has an opinion piece you might like.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/north-korea-s-nuclear-ambitions-met-their-match-president-donald-ncna868831

[Demogorgon]

Why do I feel this would have never happened under Obama?

I don't know about that, there was always potential, but I do think Obama's mostly hands-off/let the sanctions do the work strategy was pretty much going nowhere.

[theimage13]

My own thoughts:

The timing if this is likely the result of a few things.
1) Trump's public "we'll nuke you into the stone ages" rhetoric (vs there just being public statements saying that military options are on the table)
2) Trump's willingness to acknowledge Un at all gives him more credibility as a leader; something he desperately craves. No one else was willing to treat him as such.
3) Knowing that they have the knowledge to make nukes means they're happier to act nicer now...because once you have the knowledge, you can always go back and get it done again later.
4) The Olympics (yes, really)
5) Their primary nuclear test site may be on the brink of collapsing and spewing radiation over the peninsula. (Several experts say this is definitely the status of the site, but at least one has claimed otherwise.)

[theimage13]

Christ on toast, I didn't even know about the Trump tweet. What a moron.

Washington Post, as always, providing a good analysis of the events (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/dont-let-the-korea-summit-hype-fool-you-weve-been-here-before/2018/04/27/d9fad7ba-4a2d-11e8-827e-190efaf1f1ee_story.html?utm_term=.7df006bfcd85).

[GulDukat]

NBC has an opinion piece you might like.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/north-korea-s-nuclear-ambitions-met-their-match-president-donald-ncna868831Oh, FFS.

[WorzelG]

This whole Korea complete sudden capitulation by Kim Jong Un just seems so weird to me, almost scripted

[elevenism]

This whole Korea complete sudden capitulation by Kim Jong Un just seems so weird to me, almost scriptedyeah dude! My sentiments exactly!

It's like "Hey everyone, we were just fucking with you guys! Hahaha! It was pretty funny, right?
So everything is ok now."

I don't trust it AT ALL. Kim Jong Il did something similar in the 90s, if I'm not mistaken, and also signed denuclearization treaties with the US in the 2000's and it was all horse shit.

I hate to be so cynical, but I have a feeling that what Kim REALLY wants here is a united, anti America Korea.

[allegro]

That would not serve him. His country is broke, financially isolated. It’s reportedly been his goal all along to develop a good trade relationship with the U.S., because he HAS TO in order to pull his country out of poverty. China hasn’t been helping him in this regard

Edit: NOTE: Ultimately, though, a final Armistice Agreement MUST include China, it’s required (SK, NK, US, China).

[Aladdinsanity]

South Korea's new president, Moon Jae-in, is a progressive whose campaign largely emphasized making peace with North Korea. He has much more to do with this than Trump does -- a fact that, unfortunately, is going to be completely lost among most of the United States (including those even opposed to Trump).

[allegro]

Moon Jae-in is crediting Trump publicly, though, so that doesn’t help, lol.

[Leviathant]

Moon Jae-in is crediting Trump publicly, though, so that doesn’t help, lol.

On the political stage, when you know someone's weak spot is simple flattery, you'd be a fool not to take advantage of that.

[thevoid99]

I can't fathom the idea of Cheeto-head being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. If that happens, that's when you know the Nobel Prize has jumped the shark.

[Jinsai]

On the political stage, when you know someone's weak spot is simple flattery, you'd be a fool not to take advantage of that.

You know, I tried to come up with a simple way to possibly argue this to not be the case and came up pretty short. When it comes to the real-world concerns of South Korea, it works out diplomatically to give Trump a "win" here.

Which is SO fucked up and frustrating, but whatever at this point I guess.

Though thevoid99 I wouldn't be too worried about him getting a Nobel Peace Prize any time soon.

[allegro]

On the political stage, when you know someone's weak spot is simple flattery, you'd be a fool not to take advantage of that.

I meant it doesn’t “help” that people don’t want to credit Trump. I’m sure that Moon actually believes it to be true, it ain’t just lip service.

CNN was crediting Kim’s sister, and she probably has something to do with it, too; it’s probably a number of things; but, as difficult as it is to admit, Kim allegedly admires guys like Trump, and Trump reached out for a meeting.

Jinsai, if Trump can negotiate a way to keep U.S. troops in SK, get NK to denuclearize and open itself for inspection, get China and everyone to agree to a peace agreement (and possibly get Kim to return the Japanese people in NK to Japan), and all of this wouldn’t jeopardize our relationship with Japan, then he’d DESERVE the Nobel. But it ain’t likely to happen. As was pointed out on Meet the Press this morning, Kim’s grandfather snookered Clinton, Kim’s father snookered George W Bush, and there’s no reason to believe this Kim won’t do the same to Trump. Kim has starved thousands of his own people, killed his own family members, and recently murdered an American citizen.

[Mantra]

I can't fathom the idea of Cheeto-head being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. If that happens, that's when you know the Nobel Prize has jumped the shark.

The nihilist in me wants this to happen.

[thevoid99]

The nihilist in me wants this to happen.

That's just wrong Thanos.

[onthewall2983]

Henry Kissinger won one. It's already soiled.

[thevoid99]

Henry Kissinger won one. It's already soiled.

But... what about the time he did this....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgCcpjr59QI

[ricardo]

It's fun to see the press in my country going nuts having to report SK's president giving credit to Trump. It's like they can't accept it. They want Trump to be evil, to be the villain. So they come up with conspiracies, excuses, fake news and hatred towards the man instead of recognizing the guy did something good. All this hate will end up consuming the left sooner or later so it's all good to me. Let them cry while the world gets better not thanks to them.

[thelastdisciple]

Nobody WANTS Trump to be evil but he DOES have a fantastically shitty track record, so you can kind of understand a bit of skepticism and reluctance to give him some credit where it's due. Even if he gets some good things accomplished, it does not absolve him of all the other bullshit he's responsible for. If from here on out he was magically able prove himself to be morally fit for the U.S. Presidency and reversed some of his positions and policies.. it might be a start but at this point so much damage has been done. We'd be kidding ourselves to think he'd ever change, he won't change because being horrible is in his DNA and his White House administration is one of the most incompetent groups of people in U.S. politics I've ever seen.

[theimage13]

What? The meeting is off? (https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/24/613962300/north-korea-threatens-to-scuttle-summit-saying-it-wont-beg-the-u-s-for-dialogue)

Shocker.

I'm so glad he spent taxpayer dollars on 250 of these fucking things.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_EK0yQo8CaTEGojJz0vFrakdnKVt2d T0sGknwhvnXnk-ah7n0

[Louie_Cypher]

like everything else he finally realized he was in way over his head, again this guy is an idiot, look he is no great deal maker, i don't recommend it but read "art of the deal" there is not one deal mentioned in the book, he's a good hype man that is it!
-louie

[GulDukat]

And yeah, Trump didn't write that letter.

[allegro]

Bumping this thread because I couldn’t even find it.

South Korea says they know where Kim Jong Un is. They’re not confirming HOW he is.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-28/south-korean-ministers-say-they-know-kim-jong-un-s-location

[theimage13]

Bumping this thread because I couldn’t even find it.

South Korea says they know where Kim Jong Un is. They’re not confirming HOW he is.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-28/south-korean-ministers-say-they-know-kim-jong-un-s-location

It was linked in the dead souls thread, because people wouldn't stop posting about him in there ;)

As for his whereabouts, all credible speculation based on satellite imagery currently points to his luxury villa in Wonsan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/wheres-north-koreas-kim-lets-see-what-the-satellites-say/2020/04/29/7aa69e6a-8a0a-11ea-80df-d24b35a568ae_story.html

[allegro]

It was linked in the dead souls thread, because people wouldn't stop posting about him in there ;)

Yeah, that’s where I found it! :D

[theimage13]

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/01/849372365/north-koreas-kim-reportedly-reappears-in-public-after-speculation-about-his-heal

[botley]

O hai

[Jinsai]

and his hair is still immaculately coifed into a perfect Spongebob

[Space Suicide]

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/01/849372365/north-koreas-kim-reportedly-reappears-in-public-after-speculation-about-his-heal

Not surprised, never believed the rumors anyways.