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sheepdean
12-08-2016, 06:15 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/music/hbo-sets-dr-dre-jimmy-iovine-documentary-2017-205536767.html

“The Defiant Ones” is a Silverback 5150 Pictures Production in association with Alcon Television Group. Executive producers are Allen Hughes, Doug Pray, Andrew Kosove, Broderick Johnson, Laura Lancaster, Jerry Longarzo, Michael Lombardo and Gene Kirkwood. It is written by Allen Hughes, Lasse Jarvi, Doug Pray; edited by Lasse Jarvi and Doug Pray. Music is composed by Atticus Ross, Leopold Ross, Claudia Sarne. Steven Williams serves as producer.

Toadflax
07-09-2017, 09:05 PM
All four parts streaming now!

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19959350_10105420800723773_9110533582842611981_n.j pg?oh=39fe8befd5533387f3b6c3aba9867acd&oe=5A0F6C47

Toadflax
07-09-2017, 09:07 PM
A Trent smile two minutes in, and The Mark Has Been Made 2.5 minutes in. I think I'm going to like this.

thevoid99
07-09-2017, 10:45 PM
I just watched the first part and that track is there early in the film as it relates to Apple purchasing Beats.

Toadflax
07-10-2017, 12:00 AM
I just watched the first part and that track is there early in the film as it relates to Apple purchasing Beats.

The way it amps up at the right moment is so fucking good. I am loving this. About to start episode two!

Bachy
07-10-2017, 12:58 AM
"The Mark Has Been Made" used to perfection.

Toadflax
07-10-2017, 01:32 AM
Episode 2 includes 9 Ghosts I and Kathleen from Broken City.

pushingreality
07-10-2017, 01:44 AM
For anyone who just wants to cut to the real meat/focus of NIN in this: episode 3, ~13 minutes. A really great overview of Iovine's role in breaking Trent off TVT and the creation of Nothing Records. Excellent use of the Still version of TDTWWA. Really fascinating to see Iovine's enthusiasm for Trent and the desire to see him succeed, suddenly makes sense as to why they ended up working together for Beats/Apple Music.

(I've been binging this whole thing, the entire thing is worth watching through)

EDIT: And 34:36 for a Manson/1994 overview that's really well edited

WorzelG
07-10-2017, 03:33 AM
Is there any way you can pay to just stream this on its own?

Toadflax
07-10-2017, 01:46 PM
First, The Mark Has Been Made underscores the Tyrese/Dre video, and then in episode 3, Snoop's Gz and Hustlas kicks off a piece about Trent & Manson- eventually turning into a Closer mashup. Fuck, I love this thing.

EDIT: And then a story about Tupac cut to The Beautiful People interspersed with shots from the Happiness In Slavery video.

Toadflax
07-10-2017, 02:56 PM
sheepdean Unrelated, but it seems Atticus' relationship with the Hughes brothers is primarily with Allen, right? I just got invited to participate in a Q&A for Albert Hughes' new film. No composer has been announced yet, and I'm wondering what the chances are that Atticus scores it. If nothing else, I know what my first question will be!

Deadpool
07-10-2017, 05:36 PM
"Leaving Hope" (probably my favorite song ever) is used very well during a pivotal sequence. There's almost too much NIN music to count!

Anyway, I loved this whole series. Highly recommended. I hope they release The Family Ross's original score. Speaking of which, I had no idea Iovine was married to Liberty Ross. His in-laws literally scored this show! :D

Toadflax
07-10-2017, 06:23 PM
Neat.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170710/7208cd5a8d7f768cc06b8561878de522.png

sheepdean
07-10-2017, 06:36 PM
@sheepdean (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=350) Unrelated, but it seems Atticus' relationship with the Hughes brothers is primarily with Allen, right? I just got invited to participate in a Q&A for Albert Hughes' new film. No composer has been announced yet, and I'm wondering what the chances are that Atticus scores it. If nothing else, I know what my first question will be!
Pretty much - he even scored the opening of a music video Allen did, though I'm sure he's still bros with Albert

Toadflax
07-10-2017, 06:55 PM
Pretty much - he even scored the opening of a music video Allen did, though I'm sure he's still bros with Albert

I think I remember hearing that Jimmy Iovine and Allen but not Albert attended his master class thingy, not that Albert's absence means anything, of course. I went online looking for info and found myself in a Getty Image. I'm at the bottom right leaning forward to make sure my phone's optimally placed and recording for ninlive. :)

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/general-view-of-the-atmosphere-at-master-class-music-and-film-with-picture-id450592362

Toadflax
07-10-2017, 11:17 PM
Wait. Holy shit. Is that Jimmy Iovine sitting five seats away from me??? Bottom center in the hat?

EDIT: And Liberty Ross next to him?

bobbie solo
07-11-2017, 02:07 AM
Finished the 1st three episodes. Starts off a bit slow for me, but starts to get real good halfway through the first episode. Great footage, great NIN music usage as has been said. I imagine this doc is even better if you aren't already very familiar with all of the drama surrounding Dre/NWA/Tupac/Death Row etc. Even still, this has been gold thus far.

sheepdean
07-11-2017, 05:40 AM
Wait. Holy shit. Is that Jimmy Iovine sitting five seats away from me??? Bottom center in the hat?

EDIT: And Liberty Ross next to him?
That's Jimmy for sure, can't tell if it's Liberty through the watermark

Winter Is Coming
07-11-2017, 10:32 PM
Loved all 3 I've watched so far. Part 3 especially is fantastic, and not just because of the nine inch nails parts.

TCMD
07-11-2017, 10:36 PM
really great documentary. i think part 3 was the most interesting because of the 90's drama. i love the parallel's between manson and tupac.

dre telling the car chase story with closer playing in the background was really well done.

thevoid99
07-11-2017, 11:38 PM
Just watched the 2nd part as "9 Ghosts I" is there late in that segment. I'll finish the rest during the week as I got other films to see.

Prettybrokenspiral
07-12-2017, 06:18 AM
Part 3 is probably my favorite part of the whole thing so far, but not without some reservations. You really want me to believe that Jimmy locked himself in his bathroom every day for a year trying to coax NIN off TVT, and that smarmy douche Steve Gottleib just eventually handed over Trent's contract to Interscope? Get real. I get that the guy is a workaholic and is very driven, but that would never happen in reality.

Speaking of smarmy douches, Puff Diddy makes my skin crawl and watching his ego practically fill the room he's being interviewed in just makes me want to smack him upside his big goofy head a couple dozen times.

On a more positive note, that intense montage of NIN, Manson and Tupac is fantastic, and the way they get in-depth about the whole East Coast – West Coast feud is killer, too..

I miss the 90s so much. Best decade ever, on so many different levels.

thevoid99
07-12-2017, 04:41 PM
Part 3 is probably my favorite part of the whole thing so far, but not without some reservations. You really want me to believe that Jimmy locked himself in his bathroom every day for a year trying to coax NIN off TVT, and that smarmy douche Steve Gottleib just eventually handed over Trent's contract to Interscope? Get real. I get that the guy is a workaholic and is very driven, but that would never happen in reality.

Speaking of smarmy douches, Puff Diddy makes my skin crawl and watching his ego practically fill the room he's being interviewed in just makes me want to smack him upside his big goofy head a couple dozen times.

On a more positive note, that intense montage of NIN, Manson and Tupac is fantastic, and the way they get in-depth about the whole East Coast – West Coast feud is killer, too..

I miss the 90s so much. Best decade ever, on so many different levels.

Same here. I saw it last night as Gottlieb looks like more of a fucking douche than he ever was. I think that story about Jimmy Iovine locking himself in the bathroom to try and get Trent to Interscope I think is really just an exaggeration.

Yeah, Poo Doody is full of himself and I would so love to go to one of his parties and piss on his fucking tower of champagne.

Yes, the stuff about NIN, Manson, Dre, Snoop, 2Pac. Man, those were fucking good times. That was the kind of shit my parents didn't want me to listen to. Nowadays. Whoa... they're like "and we thought what you were listening to was bad but this... puta-madre".

Swykk
07-12-2017, 06:27 PM
Anyone by chance know the song that's playing during episode four's Beats Music part (where Jimmy and Trent are talking about going to Apple)?

I'm guessing it's part of the score (not available yet) but wanted to make sure.

sheepdean
07-27-2017, 06:46 PM
Woop woop woop, soundtrack release! Didn't really expect one
http://filmmusicreporter.com/2017/07/27/soundtrack-for-hbos-the-defiant-ones-to-be-released/

Ruined
07-28-2017, 01:08 PM
Woop woop woop, soundtrack release! Didn't really expect one
http://filmmusicreporter.com/2017/07/27/soundtrack-for-hbos-the-defiant-ones-to-be-released/

I was pleasantly surprised to see that. Since most of the doco soundtrack used NIN, and other Interscope artists, I just assumed the rest was from Ghosts. I was going to check which tracks were used since I liked a lot of them. Looks like I'll need to buy this one.

howisya
07-28-2017, 01:41 PM
i thought interscope shelved the last 12 rounds album.

WorzelG
07-28-2017, 02:21 PM
Anyone know if this is ever going to be released on DVD? (I mean the actual documentary)

sheepdean
07-28-2017, 04:28 PM
i thought interscope shelved the last 12 rounds album.
Do you really want to get me started on my feelings about that album still not being out

sheepdean
07-28-2017, 05:06 PM
It's out btw
http://amzn.to/2vf1ZZA

Erik
07-28-2017, 08:37 PM
Do you really want to get me started on my feelings about that album still not being out

Never say never.

howisya
07-28-2017, 08:44 PM
just sayin', must have been bittersweet to score a 4-part glorification of the guy who wouldn't release their last album and effectively ended their career as a band. oh, to be a fly on the wall...

neorev
07-28-2017, 09:00 PM
It's out btw
http://amzn.to/2vf1ZZA

What a crap cover

sheepdean
07-29-2017, 05:28 AM
just sayin', must have been bittersweet to score a 4-part glorification of the guy who wouldn't release their last album and effectively ended their career as a band. oh, to be a fly on the wall...
And then married his sister - I assume that probably puts things in his favour :P

howisya
07-29-2017, 08:01 AM
And then married his sister - I assume that probably puts things in his favour :P

that first thanksgiving dinner must have been interesting at least! :rolleyes:

to be fair, when i think of jimmy iovine, i don't just think about how he screwed over artists on nothing records or made trent change bleedthrough to with teeth. i think of a lot of great music he has brought me over my lifetime either behind the boards or through interscope.

the trent & dre demos should have been on the soundtrack.

niggo
07-29-2017, 09:42 AM
Awesome awesome score. Wow. I feel like this doesn't get enough attention.

sheepdean
07-29-2017, 10:08 AM
Awesome awesome score. Wow. I feel like this doesn't get enough attention.
Dude, you think this is bad at least it got some press, I'm not sure anyone would've known about Days of Grace if I didn't literally just tell people

kargath
07-29-2017, 12:48 PM
It's up on Google play music for any subscribers that want to give it a listen without purchasing mp3s from Amazon. https://play.google.com/music/m/Bdnn2k247vlw5trkl4wadqgp6eu?t=The_Defiant_Ones_Ori ginal_Score_-_Atticus_Ross

Toadflax
09-01-2017, 05:03 PM
This shit is so good. That is all.

ChipRock
03-06-2019, 05:23 AM
And so, a million years later... I finally saw The Defiant Ones after it aired on BBC here in the UK. Loved the whole thing from beginning to end. Some, uh, fascinating characters there. Always pictured Interscope as just some big name label so never really paid attention to who was with them until seeing this. Impressive, even if it's not all my cup of tea.
Episodes 4, 5 and 6 are still on iPlayer for anyone who has access and wants to catch up. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/m0002j6c
I'm definitely going to pick up a copy of the score at some point. Maybe someone said already, but there's a Spotify playlist up here: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5xOuogihYni1imMlBa7vjq