(Real) Lights In The Sky

[elevenism]

I don't know if i believe in space aliens are visiting earth or not. To me, it seems like they wouldn't come all this way unless they were, say, out of water. And in that case, i doubt that they would be friendly.
That being said, i do believe that there is other life in the universe. Some of the greatest minds in the world (Michio Kaku, NOT the dude from ancient aliens) say that the chance of intelligent extraterrestrial life existing is 100%.

This field of study is damn near a waste of time because you never know when what you're watching/reading is disinformation from the government, which they have ADMITTEDLY done EXTENSIVELY in the US, ostensibly to confuse folk who have seen top secret weapon technologies, driving one of them to commit suicide (see Mirage Men.)

BUT-you can't "disbelieve" the existence of unidentified flying objects. They don't have to be aliens. Many so called sightings are easily debunked, or their authenticity is up in the air.

In the past few years however, there have been strange things in the sky captured from multiple angles and seen by hundreds or even thousands of people.

So. Here's my question. What the FUCK is this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suJlDRoahLA

Is it a spaceship? A rip in the fabric of space and time? Are we talking Project Bluebeam?

There are more crazy, baffling shits like this on youtube. More and more they are making it onto the evening news.

Have the lights in the sky finally arrived? What the fuck does it all mean?

[Ryan]

lol at those lights

"hai guys I'm gonna float here for a bit then vanish for no apparent reason"

go home lights in the sky, you're drunk

[ldopa]

i think it's ball lightning. a perfectly explicable weather phenom. or st elmo's fire.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Elmo's_fire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Elmo's_fire)

[elevenism]

i think it's ball lightning. a perfectly explicable weather phenom. or st elmo's fire.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Elmo's_fire)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Elmo's_fire

and then what the fuck is THIS shit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIg5eczY5Ms

i think they are probably military tests...or wormholes of some kind.

[tony.parente]

Back in biblical times we thought stars, the northern lights and other astrological phenomenon were gods and angels. As science grew and the scope of the unknown has shrunk we now think they're aliens for some reason.

[Sarah K]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4a/7c/49/4a7c499bfafbc48a1d287090b9bb1710.jpg

[Archive_Reports]

All I'm saying is that Hazekiah gets a lot of shit because of post formatting and his love for less-than-critically-acclaimed movies...

[elevenism]

Back in biblical times we thought stars, the northern lights and other astrological phenomenon were gods and angels. As science grew and the scope of the unknown has shrunk we now think they're aliens for some reason.
But what in the fuck are they tony.parente ?

There are several more like this. These are the kind that interest me. They are witnessed by hundreds of people, they are captured from multiple angles, they come on the mainstream news, and they baffle science.

Personally, i don't think they have anything to do with aliens, and as a matter of fact, they might fit very neatly into the realm of science.
I think there's a damn good chance that they are interdimensional "bleedthrough." Multiverse theory is becoming more and more widely accepted. Why wouldn't things "slip through" from time to time?
For what it's worth, i think that my theory on this covers "ghosts" too. I've SEEN the motherfuckers. I've seen them WITH my wife, WITH my brother, etc.
But the idea of them being disembodied human spirits doesn't sound right to me.

ANYWAY, here's another one that fits my parameters.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx46e59Xwvg

[elevenism]

All I'm saying is that @Hazekiah (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1162) gets a lot of shit because of post formatting and his love for less-than-critically-acclaimed movies...
also...what?
i'm confused. Is @Hazekiah (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1162) a Space Alien?

Edit: Hey, Everbody, check THIS shit out. It's several of them. "mass sightings." Multiple witnesses, multiple camera angles, made the news-NOT the kind that one cat can fake with a computer program.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjGYSGbAEUM

Here's another possible explanation-advanced weapon technology. The US government has OPENLY talked about a psyop where they would project an image of Allah over Iraq. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm)
If these sightings, especially the really spectacular ones, are examples of that sort of thing (some believe it to be called Project Bluebeam,) imagine the fucking POWER it grants those who would use it to manipulate people.

[Archive_Reports]

also...what?
i'm confused. Is @Hazekiah (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1162) a Space Alien?

Some people act like he is, yes.

What I meant was that Haz takes a ton of shit and has to defend (well he doesn't have to but, God love him, he does) in certain threads while threads like the this and the conspiracy thread run unchecked and without scrutiny. Just seems strange to me. To each their own though.

[elevenism]

Some people act like he is, yes.

What I meant was that Haz takes a ton of shit and has to defend (well he doesn't have to but, God love him, he does) in certain threads while threads like the this and the conspiracy thread run unchecked and without scrutiny. Just seems strange to me. To each their own though.
Oh no dude. I take a LOT of shit for my conspiracy "theories."
Look at the thread for fuck's sake.
And this thread, well dude, what can i say? This shit IS HAPPENING. There's no debate over whether or not it's happening. Things are appearing in the sky, hundreds of people are seeing them and filming them from multiple angles, scientists are baffled. Those are HARD FACTS, not theories.
So what's wrong with a thread about it? Are you saying that the moderator should, what, deny that it was on the news or something?

As for me, i don't give people shit.

[Archive_Reports]

Oh no dude. I take a LOT of shit for my conspiracy "theories."
Look at the thread for fuck's sake.
And this thread, well dude, what can i say? This shit IS HAPPENING. There's no debate over whether or not it's happening. Things are appearing in the sky, hundreds of people are seeing them and filming them from multiple angles, scientists are baffled. Those are HARD FACTS, not theories.
So what's wrong with a thread about it? Are you saying that the moderator should, what, deny that it was on the news or something?

As for me, i don't give people shit.

Not saying you do specifically. As for the videos posted above, the "Area 51" guy was an admitted hoax (and sampled by The Faceless). I'm not not seeing these things in the videos, but c'mon. Things falling from the sky? Could easily be space junk or meteors (meteoroid?) entering the atmosphere. Floating orbs? A lit drone. Those things flying upward with huge tails? Government experimentation (weapons, rockets, etc.). Just because it's weird doesn't make it alien. Not saying there isn't alien life, but if it were that readily apparent I think we'd see some trustworthy people come forward with some info instead of a bunch of clips (from Fox News...really?) uploaded to Info Wars or whatever.

[elevenism]

Not saying you do specifically. As for the videos posted above, the "Area 51" guy was an admitted hoax (and sampled by The Faceless). I'm not not seeing these things in the videos, but c'mon. Things falling from the sky? Could easily be space junk or meteors (meteoroid?) entering the atmosphere. Floating orbs? A lit drone. Those things flying upward with huge tails? Government experimentation (weapons, rockets, etc.). Just because it's weird doesn't make it alien. Not saying there isn't alien life, but if it were that readily apparent I think we'd see some trustworthy people come forward with some info instead of a bunch of clips (from Fox News...really?) uploaded to Info Wars or whatever.
Dude, i never said they were aliens. In fact, the first thing i said was that "i don't know if i believe in aliens visiting earth."
annnnnd i didn't post a video about the Art Bell show caller.

Tell me what that norway spiral is.

My point is that these things are happening on a massive scale and being witnessed and captured by shitloads of people.

And my money is on holographic projection (as in weapons testing,) not aliens. My second theory is interdimensional "bleedthrough."

But, dude. I already said all that shit.

"Personally, i don't think they have anything to do with aliens, and as a matter of fact, they might fit very neatly into the realm of science."
(that's from the eighth post in this thread.)

I strongly doubt that they are aliens, but they ARE very bizarre, interesting, and potentially frightening.

[Archive_Reports]

Dude, i never said they were aliens. In fact, the first thing i said was that "i don't know if i believe in aliens visiting earth."
annnnnd i didn't post a video about the Art Bell show caller.

Tell me what that norway spiral is.

My point is that these things are happening on a massive scale and being witnessed and captured my shitloads of people.

And my money is on holographic projection, not aliens.

Yes, you did. It's about 8:15 into the last video you posted.

Sky projections is perfectly reasonable, but who the hell cares? Having a giant light doesn't grant anyone powers. Shit, the local high school has one of those that they use for football games.

[elevenism]

Yes, you did. It's about 8:15 into the last video you posted.

Sky projections is perfectly reasonable, but who the hell cares? Having a giant light doesn't grant anyone powers. Shit, the local high school has one of those that they use for football games.

well fuck me. i didn't realize that about the art bell caller. And yes, i know that's a hoax. Also, being a long time paranormal researcher, if i have to hear that art bell call ONE MORE FUCKING TIME, i'm gonna kill myself. :p

As far as sky projection, i'm not talking spotlights here. I'm talking about 3 dimensional holograms that could cause people to believe things are there that AREN'T there.

Think about the ramifications.

Think about 100 million rednecks thinking that Jesus was back, ready to do his divine will...

[Wolfkiller]

My skeptical nature makes it hard for me to take UFO stuff too seriously, but it is really interesting to read about some of the theories and the strange happenings and coincidences surrounding them.
Check out all the stuff connected to WWII and the nazis. The Vril women, operation highjump, etc... some of it gets a little spooky.

[Sarah K]

Drugs are amazing and can make all kinds of wacky ass shit sound reasonable.

[ldopa]

northern lights, (as i mentioned) st elm's and ball lightning, sky sprites, weapon testing, space satellites, missile debris, bat signal...
sky shit!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS!

i watch the night sky as often as possible. i've seen some shit. but there is always an explanation. even though it's wonderful, fun, and exciting for there not to be one.

from a technical standpoint, roswell was merely testing drones (per se)

TRIPLE EDIT: LMAO ART BELL!!! MY TWEEKER MOM LOVED HIM!!!!

QUAD EDIT: THE SECRET TRACK ON LATERALUS!!!!!!!!!

i'm so sorry, aliens and such are not very serious subjects to me.

[allegro]

Drugs are amazing and can make all kinds of wacky ass shit sound reasonable.

True dat, me and my friend saw beautiful pink lights coming out of the sky one night but we had eaten some purple microdot.

[halloween]

Norway Spiral from 2009 "At least this failed test made some nice fireworks for the Norwegians." It was apparently Russian military missile tests: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Norwegian_spiral_anomaly

In case there are too many words there for people to digest in the wiki article, here's a bit of explanation " Prior to the Russian statement, Jonathan McDowell, an astrophysicist at the Harvard–Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, had already suggested that the unusual light display occurred when the missile's third stage nozzle was damaged, causing the exhaust to come out sideways and sending the missile into a spin."

[Timinator]

This conversation (at least the part by @elevenism (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2475) ) is proof against Intelligent Design.

Humans are pattern-matchers. We have big brains, and we're hard-wired to figure things out. We try to make sense of data we gather, and make it fit so that we can understand things. When it comes to creating fire, or avoiding being trampled by a mammoth, or designing a silicon integrated circuit, this is a very good skill to have. It's made us very successful.

But it also means that we have a tendency to force-fit explanations, or try for explanations even when we have insufficient facts to do so. So, like, if there are lights in the sky and no current explanation seems to fit, then we say it's God or aliens or interdimensional gloryholes.

Occam's Razor says that it's much more likely to be explained by something we know currently but we're just missing some facts, or we got some facts wrong. A proper scientific position is to just say we don't know what the fuck it is and suspend judgment until we know more. It's OK not to know things yet.

EDIT: For example: Fireballs in skies were Atlas V rocket breaking up on reentry (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/fireballs-actually-rockets-reentering-atmosphere-1.3354598).

[Archive_Reports]

Norway Spiral from 2009 "At least this failed test made some nice fireworks for the Norwegians." It was apparently Russian military missile tests: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Norwegian_spiral_anomaly

In case there are too many words there for people to digest in the wiki article, here's a bit of explanation " Prior to the Russian statement, Jonathan McDowell, an astrophysicist at the Harvard–Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, had already suggested that the unusual light display occurred when the missile's third stage nozzle was damaged, causing the exhaust to come out sideways and sending the missile into a spin."

That's just, like, what they want you to believe.


interdimensional gloryholes

There's my new black metal band name.

[elevenism]

This conversation (at least the part by @elevenism (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2475) ) is proof against Intelligent Design.

Humans are pattern-matchers. We have big brains, and we're hard-wired to figure things out. We try to make sense of data we gather, and make it fit so that we can understand things. When it comes to creating fire, or avoiding being trampled by a mammoth, or designing a silicon integrated circuit, this is a very good skill to have. It's made us very successful.

But it also means that we have a tendency to force-fit explanations, or try for explanations even when we have insufficient facts to do so. So, like, if there are lights in the sky and no current explanation seems to fit, then we say it's God or aliens or interdimensional gloryholes.

Occam's Razor says that it's much more likely to be explained by something we know currently but we're just missing some facts, or we got some facts wrong. A proper scientific position is to just say we don't know what the fuck it is and suspend judgment until we know more. It's OK not to know things yet.

EDIT: For example: Fireballs in skies were Atlas V rocket breaking up on reentry (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/fireballs-actually-rockets-reentering-atmosphere-1.3354598).
Well said.

my whole life, i've been interested in high strangeness and mysteries.

And now we are living in a time where these "lights in the sky" can be captured and scrutinized from multiple angles. and the ones that can be debunked are debunked. what is left are the things that are truly odd or heretofore unknown.

and i think that's pretty bad ass. i, for one, am not, however, trying to force fit an explanation (although i do have my theories, gvmt testing of holographic projection operations being the top one.)

Ultimately, though, the beauty for me is in the NOT knowing. :)

[Timinator]

i, for one, am not, however, trying to force fit an explanation (although i do have my theories, gvmt testing of holographic projection operations being the top one.)Yesssss...

[Jinsai]

and then what the fuck is THIS shit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIg5eczY5Ms

i think they are probably military tests...or wormholes of some kind.


it kind of looks like that time I first tried messing around with the fx in Photoshop

i mean... We ARE also "living in the time" of trolls and kids with cracked versions of software

[elevenism]

it kind of looks like that time I first tried messing around with the fx in Photoshop

i mean... We ARE also "living in the time" of trolls and kids with cracked versions of software
true
but it was caught from so many different angles and seen by so many people.
halloween found that the norway spiral was a failed russian missile test though.

[elevenism]

Yesssss...

they've been talking about doing it for a LONG time.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

This is from 1999, when the US was toying with the idea of projecting an image of Allah over Iraq.
I have a feeling that we have worked on this technology, and that some of these "mass sightings" might be tests of such technology, which could be wielded as a powerful psychological weapon.

[halloween]

That first picture made me think of photoshop too, but after reading about the failed mission test and looking at the other pictures, you can see how it's smoke.

[WorzelG]

This is from 1999, when the US was toying with the idea of projecting an image of Allah over Iraq.
This could have backfired as images of God are absolutely forbidden in Islam
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniconism_in_Islam

[elevenism]

This could have backfired as images of God are absolutely forbidden in Islam
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniconism_in_Islam
they're TECHNICALLY forbidden in Christianity and Judaism too, if you think about it.

But the idea was to make them think that it wasn't an IMAGE, rather, that it was God himself, telling the Iraqis what to do (surrender to the US of course.)

Some people think they went forward with this type of experimentation and are still testing and perfecting it today under the code name "Project Bluebeam," but evidence is spurious at best.
It WOULD explain a LOT about the UFO phenomenon,
especially coupled with the active (now declassified) US misinformation campaigns to make people who had seen to secret military planes think that they were in contact with alien intelligence.

[elevenism]

Yesssss...
just so we're clear, this is you demonstrating me putting my foot in my mouth and proving your point, right? ;)

BTW Timinator . You study or studied physics, right?

Why AREN'T there interdimensional glory holes?

[Timinator]

just so we're clear, this is you demonstrating me putting my foot in my mouth and proving your point, right? ;)

BTW Timinator . You study or studied physics, right?

Why AREN'T there interdimensional glory holes?
Yes, I thought your thoughts seemed at odds with each other.

Yes, I studied physics.

"Why are there no interdimensional glory holes," is a bad question. That's not how you do science. We don't know if there are other dimensions, and if there are we don't know if there are (or are not) connections between them. You're supposing lots of things in your question and are putting the cart well ahead of the horse.

[Hazekiah]

All I'm saying is that @Hazekiah (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1162) gets a lot of shit because of post formatting and his love for less-than-critically-acclaimed movies...


also...what?
i'm confused. Is @Hazekiah (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1162) a Space Alien?

Edit: Hey, Everbody, check THIS shit out. It's several of them. "mass sightings." Multiple witnesses, multiple camera angles, made the news-NOT the kind that one cat can fake with a computer program.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjGYSGbAEUM

Here's another possible explanation-advanced weapon technology. The US government has OPENLY talked about a psyop where they would project an image of Allah over Iraq. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm)
If these sightings, especially the really spectacular ones, are examples of that sort of thing (some believe it to be called Project Bluebeam,) imagine the fucking POWER it grants those who would use it to manipulate people.


Some people act like he is, yes.

What I meant was that Haz takes a ton of shit and has to defend (well he doesn't have to but, God love him, he does) in certain threads while threads like the this and the conspiracy thread run unchecked and without scrutiny. Just seems strange to me. To each their own though.

I'm actually a Zortanian from the planet Zort, as documented by the art books of Ed Emberley. That "snout" is actually a 3D concert bootlegging lens, the bugged-out eyes help camouflage me among the druggies in the front row (as does the green skin), and my "third leg" really helps steady the shots with my "tripod," ifyouknowumsayin'.

But it's w/e.
http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrumb0BnI81qa3nkyo1_1280.png

[elevenism]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJWro9Ox8ss
so this weird ass thing filmed near an Ohio military base has been making the rounds on the internet and the news. It's another case with multiple sightings.
i wonder what in the fuck it is? Things like this always fire my imagination regarding what stunning new technology our
military could be working on.

Regarding all the ridicule i received upon starting this thread, i guess it's to be expected. We have been conditioned for years to disregard strange things in the sky and laugh at the people who see them, because the military goes to great lengths to keep its secret projects secret (see Mirage Men on netflix for a great explanation of this-government agents telling people that what they saw WAS an alien craft, and in one case, quite literally driving a person crazy with disinformation, all because he saw a secret jet he wasn't supposed to see.)

My point in creating this thread wasn't ZOMG ALIENS ARE INVADING THE EARTH BRAH!

The fact is that strange things appear in the sky, regularly, and are often observed by multiple witnesses.
And seeing as how most people carry pretty damn good recording devices in their pockets,
more and more of these strange things are being filmed.

And i, for one, find these things very interesting-especially
the ones that can't be easily explained away and are seen/filmed by multiple sources.

[theimage13]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJWro9Ox8ss
The fact is that strange things appear in the sky, regularly, and are often observed by multiple witnesses.
And seeing as how most people carry pretty damn good recording devices in their pockets,
more and more of these strange things are being filmed.

And seeing as how Hollywood grade editing software is available to anyone with a computer (and that's everyone), more and more of these things are being very convincingly faked. Multiple witnesses / angles? Eh, so the editor got some people to play along.

I'm not saying this to say that I absolutely 100% disbelieve everything I see. The video above, for example, has very much piqued my curiosity and if it is in fact genuine I would love to know what the hell it is we're seeing - even if it turns out to be something "boring". I'm simply saying this to remind people to take what you see on the internet with a grain of salt.

[elevenism]

And seeing as how Hollywood grade editing software is available to anyone with a computer (and that's everyone), more and more of these things are being very convincingly faked. Multiple witnesses / angles? Eh, so the editor got some people to play along.

I'm not saying this to say that I absolutely 100% disbelieve everything I see. The video above, for example, has very much piqued my curiosity and if it is in fact genuine I would love to know what the hell it is we're seeing - even if it turns out to be something "boring". I'm simply saying this to remind people to take what you see on the internet with a grain of salt.

99.9% of UFO/paranormal "evidence" is easily debunked or purposely faked, and faking such things is a degree of assholery that i utterly detest.
And being an enthusiast of "high strangeness" means digging through mountains of horseshit (or being the type of moron who believes everything he sees.)
But the .1% that turn out to be genuine mysteries are solid gold, and make the digging worth it.
This is why, to me, the very best supernatural/ufo information comes from skeptics.
Check out, for instance, this list of world mysteries from noted atheist and skeptic Acharya S. (http://www.truthbeknown.com/mysteries.htm)
It's when things CAN'T be debunked that shit gets truly interesting. That's the stuff that makes me tick.

[Your Name Here]

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[theimage13]

I swore this thread existed, but try searching for Lights in the Sky on this site, and...yeah.

Anywho...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/groundbreaking-ufo-video-just-released-from-chilean_us_586d37bce4b014e7c72ee56b

[elevenism]

I swore this thread existed, but try searching for Lights in the Sky on this site, and...yeah.

Anywho...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/groundbreaking-ufo-video-just-released-from-chilean_us_586d37bce4b014e7c72ee56b

man i just came here to post that.
pretty fucking weird, isn't it? what in the hell do you think it is?!


So, in short, the CEFAA (Committee For Studies of Aerial Anomalies is my rough translation) has, after a two year investigation, declassified this bizarre video of an unknown aerial craft appearing to dump some type of dense gas into the sky. It was captured by a Chilean Navy helicopter pilot, who reportedly made several unsuccessful attempts to communicate with the object, which did not respond, and was also undetectable by radar. Whatever this thing was, it was flying in controlled airspace. The video was captured on 11.11 ( :) ) 2014

The video alone looks like a hoax or a viral marketing campaign, but what makes it crazy is the source. The CEFAA is an actual branch of the Chilean Millitary and they have had all kinds of experts investigate it. They have ruled out any natural explanation and the lack of the object appearing on radar seems to rule out the idea that it could be a civilian drone.




Here is the thing releasing the gas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOLpeBp9m1Y

This is the type of "UFO sighting" that interests me. It comes from a highly credible source that spent over 2 years trying to debunk it.

What in the hell do you guys think this is?
My guess is some type of experimental american aircraft, with part of the experiment being to make sure it doesn't appear on radar, but that's obviously just a guess.

[theimage13]

Don't have a clue, but just like you said, this is exactly the kind of thing that I'm actually interested in. I was raised to be open, but skeptical. So for soooo many "sightings" I simply roll my eyes and chalk it up to any number of things, including people just plain lying.

But this? Military origin with absolutely no agenda behind it, years of experts from various fields weighing in, and still no one can explain it fully. Gives me goosebumps.

[elevenism]

did you guys catch wind of this?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html

[theimage13]

Yeah, that's freaking crazy. Regardless of what it actually is, I love that no one has any explanation for it.

[elevenism]

Yeah, that's freaking crazy. Regardless of what it actually is, I love that no one has any explanation for it.well I don't just mean the video.
I mean the fact that the Pentagon was spending millions of dollars on investigating these things in the name of national security.

[theimage13]

well I don't just mean the video.
I mean the fact that the Pentagon was spending millions of dollars on investigating these things in the name of national security.

~$5.5 million a year to figure out whether shit that we can't identify in the sky could be a threat and how to make sure we're safe if it is
~$3.5 million a year to give around 50,000 active duty soldiers a hard on

I'm honestly not concerned about the former when viewed against the latter. We spend money on some pretty stupid shit. I don't have a tremendous problem with some of that going to researching potential encounters with outside life (which could also end up also being tech from other nations that is just waaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of ours).

[cashpiles (closed)]

I’m quite sure these are either alien probes just passing through our system, or long-term alien observers.

Actually I have no idea, but it’s definitely some hardcore alien shit.

Now I believe more strongly that my abduction experiences throughout highschool were real.

[elevenism]

Oh don't get me wrong. It's not that I think it's stupid. I'm wondering what in the fuck they might know now.

Like I don't think we're alone in the universe but have always doubted that we'd been visited.
This shit makes me wonder

[theimage13]

Oh don't get me wrong. It's not that I think it's stupid. I'm wondering what in the fuck they might know now.

Like I don't think we're alone in the universe but have always doubted that we'd been visited.
This shit makes me wonder

Have you ever watched the show People of Earth? Highly, highly recommend it if you haven't. It's a comedy, not a non-fiction. But it's on this subject matter and I loved the first two seasons.

[NotoriousTIMP]

anyone else catch the SpaceX launch last night?

https://www.facebook.com/scweatherforce/?hc_ref=ARThgV1-QA7N7BZLOMZ4blO1D88mdrKp7oFlohb5prmNmqH_DvwJLi_sFu EJPTGGTWQ

[elevenism]

Ok so I was driving down the street yesterday morning. It was still dark.
I was stunned to see this brilliantly bright light fall from the sky to the ground. It was fucking stunning. It was CLOSE too.
All I can figure is that it was a little piece of a meteor.

If I still lived in a big city, there are all kinds of possibilities as to what it could have been, but remember, I now live in a tiny, isolated farming community.
I've been looking at images of meteorites falling to earth and I'm like 99% sure that's what it was.

Edit: HOLY FUCK. I just looked at this "fireball report" website where meteors are reported and it's on there! Stratford, Tx, with the right date and time! I just got goosebumps!

[theimage13]

That's awesome!! I just saw the report about the one over Michigan and Canada that came with a boom loud enough to register as seismic activity. My only thought was "if I just watched a fireball accompanied with a loud booming noise, I don't think my first reaction in this era would be 'oooooh, meteor!'"

How sad is it that that's the world we live in now?

https://www.space.com/39403-michigan-meteor-fireball-earthquake.html

[theimage13]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljLoCFn9d7A

[elevenism]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljLoCFn9d7A
Holy shit.
Dude, I wonder what the government knows. I mean, all the disinformation campaigns make me think they know SOMETHING.

[xfocalinx]

I've seen so many things in the sky that i'm starting to question my own sanity..

HOWEVER..EVERY thing I've seen has been with another person.

[elevenism]

I've seen so many things in the sky that i'm starting to question my own sanity..

HOWEVER..EVERY thing I've seen has been with another person.I've only ever seen two, but they were also both with another person.

You're not crazy: there's all kinds of shit up there, taking into account experimental aircraft alone.

There's no fucking telling what sorts of black projects our millitary is working on.

IN FACT, something just occurred to me. Those ufo videos being released by the government could TOTALLY be videos of secret aircraft being developed, and they're being released so that if anyone sees them, they will think they are UFOs.

The govmt has and does go to such lengths to keep top secret projects under wraps. They've hired full time disinformation agents in the past; this is part of why ufo phenomena are constantly ridiculed. It's by design.

Anyone interested in the disinformation subject should watch Mirage Men on netflix. It's fucking jaw dropping.

[elevenism]

Are any of you guys stargazers?
There is basically NO light pollution where I live, and a couple of nights ago i saw something unusual in the sky: it really looked like a planet and it was reddish.
I think it's fucking Mars!
I've gone and looked at it each of the following nights.

I looked online and apparently Mars is closer to the earth than it has been in a long, long time.
I'm pretty damn sure it's mars. It is stunning to behold.

Edit: oh shit. It's definitely Mars. http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/why-is-mars-sometimes-bright-and-sometimes-faint

Here is a picture of it. This is definitely what I'm seeing http://en.es-static.us/upl/2018/07/mars-7-8-2018-Dennish-Chabot-e1531167431579.jpg

[theimage13]

Well, now that we've identified it, I guess it's not a UFO :P

[elevenism]

Well, now that we've identified it, I guess it's not a UFO :Pnah it's certainly not a ufo but it sure is cool to look at.
It made me more aware of the solar system and our place in it than I've ever been. I really don't know how to describe the feeling.

[theimage13]

I get it. I was out way past my bedtime in Germany the other night and happened to look up, and there was Mars, shining brighter than any other star in the sky. Spent a staggering amount of time staring at it before moving on.

edit: phrasing makes it sound like I think Mars is a star. I may be American, but I'm not that dumb ;)

[Substance242]

Recent Lunar eclipse reminded me how... limited (?) I am despite long fascination by the universe and all the documentaries... because I confess I was expecting the shadow going from right to left (I am at northern hemisphere, Europe). Silly me, right? Of course Moon is going to the east, same direction as we're rotating but slower, so it was from left to right... Still have trouble imagining these movements in my head. :-) And that made me thinking "how often is Moon in exactly the same spot" and I found myself reading about metonic cycle and on and on... And yes Mars is beautiful nowada... nowanights? :-) Damn, word "nowanights" in fact does exist, the older I get the less I know!

[elevenism]

Yeah, everyone should look at mars. It's just mind blowing.
I mean, ok. We all know Mars EXISTS. But I had never seen it.
So it exists, for me, like an atom or a photon, for instance. We know they're REAL, but have certainly never seen them with our own eyes.

And then, THERE IT IS! Right over there! You can point at it.

I don't know if I'm describing the feeling properly, but for me, it was dizzying.

[kel]

hasn't it been visible to the naked eye, like, forever? i can see it every night, easily. in fact, in the fall of 2003 it looked realitively large, a sizeable red ball, for months. like hale bopp, kind of. i remember well because i had friends who thought it being so close was fucking with their lives. like a full moon or something (dumb, but we were in our early 20's).

elevenism download google sky map. last night saturn was bright af.

(this is much more appropriate for the spaaaaaaace thread)

[elevenism]

hasn't it been visible to the naked eye, like, forever? i can see it every night, easily. in fact, in the fall of 2003 it looked realitively large, a sizeable red ball, for months. like hale bopp, kind of. i remember well because i had friends who thought it being so close was fucking with their lives. like a full moon or something (dumb, but we were in our early 20's).

@elevenism (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2475) download google sky map. last night saturn was bright af.

(this is much more appropriate for the spaaaaaaace thread) NO shit.
I never knew man.

[IwakuraLain]

Project Blue Beam Holographic projections, yes the technology exists and I believe it was used on me two separate times during early childhood. I can go into detail on what I saw if you want. Anyhoo, it's likely that TPTB will stage an event that will seem as though aliens are making contact with us, but really it's just their techno trickery, they'll come up with some kind of excuse as to why we should accept the NWO and hand over our sovereignty to them and join the one world government. If you ever see a "UFO", or hear about it, it is ALWAYS just human driven technology and run by some secret agency or whatever you would describe these types. Actual, real "aliens" would have no use for trolling us with crop circles, abductions by cartoony grey aliens or any of that other CIA glow in the dark hollywood nonsense. Aliens that could travel here wouldn't come via a space ship, they could just materialize themselves here in an instant and at that point in technological sophistication why would they come here at all?

[elevenism]

Project Blue Beam Holographic projections, yes the technology exists and I believe it was used on me two separate times during early childhood. I can go into detail on what I saw if you want. Anyhoo, it's likely that TPTB will stage an event that will seem as though aliens are making contact with us, but really it's just their techno trickery, they'll come up with some kind of excuse as to why we should accept the NWO and hand over our sovereignty to them and join the one world government. If you ever see a "UFO", or hear about it, it is ALWAYS just human driven technology and run by some secret agency or whatever you would describe these types. Actual, real "aliens" would have no use for trolling us with crop circles, abductions by cartoony grey aliens or any of that other CIA glow in the dark hollywood nonsense. Aliens that could travel here wouldn't come via a space ship, they could just materialize themselves here in an instant and at that point in technological sophistication why would they come here at all? ummm...
I don't know about all THAT, the NWO business I mean.

This thread was never intended to be pro or anti alien. I just wanted to discuss anomalies in the sky.

It IS true that the gvmt has tricked people into thinking they've seen aliens after said people saw experimental aircraft they weren't supposed to see: some of this is declassified.

The same goes for plans to project "God" into the sky during the first Iraq war: this is also declassified.

So while Bluebeam exists (although that might not be what it's actually called,) I damn sure wouldn't hold my breath for a One World Government false flag alien event there, chief.

Edit: don't believe every bat shit crazy thing you see on youtube.

[IwakuraLain]

ummm... I don't know about all THAT, the NWO business I mean. This thread was never intended to be pro or anti alien. I just wanted to discuss anomalies in the sky. It IS true that the gvmt has tricked people into thinking they've seen aliens after said people saw experimental aircraft they weren't supposed to see: some of this is declassified. The same goes for plans to project "God" into the sky during the first Iraq war: this is also declassified. So while Bluebeam exists (although that might not be what it's actually called,) I damn sure wouldn't hold my breath for a One World Government false flag alien event there, chief. Edit: don't believe every bat shit crazy thing you see on youtube. B-but George Bush Sr. spoke of the NWO and an alien invasion in one of his speeches, predictive programming. I was thinking about aliens last night and I came to the conclusion (and I read something similar to this one the net once) that we're inside a bubble universe, or maybe some sort of simulation created by an ancestor civilization. If we were in a "free" universe with millions or thousands of other "alien" civilizations in the same universe then they would have killed each other off (including us) by now. The people who destroyed the twin towers using directed energy weapons probably already sent people (Robert David Steele says they sent people to mars already) to various planets and colonized them, they probably have FLT technology and who KNOWS what else has been created by now in secret, thus beings that descended from earth probably already have managed to "evolve" to the point where they basically have mastered this universe, so if there were other civilizations at a similar level of development then either they would have had us assimilate with a galactic community by now (the peaceful route) or we would all be dead (the route that earth-beings usually take, the path of force aka might makes right). So how do we break free from the bubble reality and explore other avenues of reality, or are we forever stuck in this chinese doll of reality.

[elevenism]

B-but George Bush Sr. spoke of the NWO and an alien invasion in one of his speeches, predictive programming. I was thinking about aliens last night and I came to the conclusion (and I read something similar to this one the net once) that we're inside a bubble universe, or maybe some sort of simulation created by an ancestor civilization. If we were in a "free" universe with millions or thousands of other "alien" civilizations in the same universe then they would have killed each other off (including us) by now. The people who destroyed the twin towers using directed energy weapons probably already sent people (Robert David Steele says they sent people to mars already) to various planets and colonized them, they probably have FLT technology and who KNOWS what else has been created by now in secret, thus beings that descended from earth probably already have managed to "evolve" to the point where they basically have mastered this universe, so if there were other civilizations at a similar level of development then either they would have had us assimilate with a galactic community by now (the peaceful route) or we would all be dead (the route that earth-beings usually take, the path of force aka might makes right). So how do we break free from the bubble reality and explore other avenues of reality, or are we forever stuck in this chinese doll of reality.
Dude.
I...
You're...

Fuck.

I fought hard to get people to rationally discuss interesting anomalies regarding unidentified flying objects and it eventually happened. We discussed the Chilean video and the mind blowing U.S. footage released a year or two ago.

And here you're going on about "the people who destroyed the twin towers using directed energy weapons colonizing Mars?"

part of me is actually wondering if I'm being trolled here.

[elevenism]

Also, sorry for double post but, @kel (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=420) , I feel pretty stupid for thinking mars was only recently visible to the naked eye considering it was observed by the Sumerians. :p

It's the first time I'VE seen it and known it was visible is what the deal is.

Also, I think the '03 brightness you saw was the "once in a lifetime" viewing condition and it won't be like that again until the early 2200's.

(Trying to find spaaaaaaaace thread but I'm not sure how many a's are in spaaaaaaaaaaace.)

[theimage13]

It IS true that the gvmt has tricked people into thinking they've seen aliens after said people saw experimental aircraft they weren't supposed to see: some of this is declassified.

The same goes for plans to project "God" into the sky during the first Iraq war: this is also declassified.


Okay you can't just post crazy shit like this without links. I feel a good late-night wikipedia rabbit hole coming up.

[elevenism]

Okay you can't just post crazy shit like this without links. I feel a good late-night wikipedia rabbit hole coming up.
Oh man. @theimage13 (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=809) , a GREAT place to start with the disinformation stuff is a documentary called Mirage Men. It WAS on Netflix. It will blow your mind.

Here, too, is an interesting story about alleged disinformation agent Richard Doty (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/alejandro-rojas/exair-force-law-enforceme_b_5312650.html). I might have misremembered when saying the information was declassified: I think it's more like corroborated.
But it's fairly convincing and makes perfect sense. Another interesting thing to research is the history of projects Grudge, Sign and Blue book and the attitudes of those running the programs as well as the (sometimes internal) criticisms leveled at said programs.

As for the holographic projection pysop plans, here's an old story about It from the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm?noredirect=on).

[IwakuraLain]

That WaPo article seems so well written and informative compared to the dribble brainless garbage you'll get today ... and to think this came from the washington post ...

[IwakuraLain]

Also I swear that kind of tech was used on me when I was very young. Both times I saw them were when I was going to bed, the first was a glowing glove on the floor that spoke to me and of course I freaked out, I tried waking up the other two boys near me (my mother's then husband's children) but they just ignored me, then the second time was at my grandparents and I saw some ghostly woman in a dress, all blue and just floating in a corner of the room. Idk why they would choose to experiment on me, so maybe it's possible that I was dreaming ... but I remember being wide awake, like, it wasn't a lucid dream.

[elevenism]

So you are gonna take over this thread with bat shit craziness IwakuraLain ? Dude, please don't.
I, for instance, have seen a FUCKTON of ghosts.
But I have about fifty explanations for it before I get to "being experimented on."

And the first explanation is to question my sanity.

Dude i.feel like your heart is in the right place, but you need to.be more skeptical. There is a LOT of misinformation out there, not to mention theories created by people who are straight up.schizophrenic.

I would like for this thread to be about things that are unimpeachable (like the Pentagon leak,) and, secondly, asking questions about weird shit rather than going full bore into wild (but, to be fair, possible) theories right off the bat.

Dude if you keep going on like this, this thread will become JUST a joke. And some people already think it's a joke. But the shit you're doing will straight up kill it.

PLEASE think about that.

[elevenism]

Ok so. Question. What in the FUCK is this?.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDzAIXOQ1Zs

Is it easily debunked?

I don't believe that space aliens visit earth, although I think believing we are the only life in the universe is absurd and arrogant. But why would they come HERE, from light years away?

So, for me, that's out.

My first guess would be extremely bizarre government experiments (if it isn't a hoax.)

My second would be that it's a portal to a near dimension (if you believe such things exist. I don't exactly BELIEVE, but I wonder.)

The final thing would be actual skinwalkers.

I used to feel like the idea of skinwalkers was just fucking stupid.

But one night, I picked up a homeless Native kid (EDIT: to give him a place to stay for the night. Reading this back, that shit didn't sound right :p) from the Ute tribe (which is where this ranch is.)

And he scared the SHIT out of me talking about skinwalkers. He 100% believes in them as do a lot of people in his tribe.

And the way he talked about it: you could hear the reverence and terror in his voice and see it in his eyes. He claimed to have SEEN the fucking things. (This came up because we had been talking about horror movies and I asked him if he had seen the Skinwalker Ranch movie, which he hadn't.)

THEN the motherfucker told me we had to stop talking about them because they would come find us.

I don't scare easy, but I've gotta be honest: his conviction on this fucking horrified me.

Still, I don't think this explanation is very likely.

SO: what do you guys think? Is this another Amityville style hoax, or.something more?

[eversonpoe]

Dude i.feel like your heart is in the right place...

it's not. look at some of their other posts on the forum. whoever they are, they're a transphobic a-hole.

[elevenism]

it's not. look at some of their other posts on the forum. whoever they are, they're a transphobic a-hole.oh yeah. I forgot about that shit. I meant regarding the subject matter in this thread.
But yeah, I saw those posts and (i think) responded.

[Louie_Cypher]

interesting theory on abductions is people actually being operated on on various levels Anastasia in levels of dream state and memories of their importation when they were "suppose" to be out and our subconscious filling in the blanks which could explain hypnotic recall
-louie

[Louie_Cypher]

so many things have to happen in order make contact first one thing that always fascinates me we view things through our own lens meaning even science fiction we only talk and write within are own comprehension much longer pont maybe later
-louie

[elevenism]

interesting theory on abductions is people actually being operated on on various levels Anastasia in levels of dream state and memories of their importation when they were "suppose" to be out and our subconscious filling in the blanks which could explain hypnotic recall
-louieno doubt.
Also, a lot of this weird stuff could very well be VERY natural, but just a part of the nature of reality we don't understand yet. We are so arrogant. And it's like every generation laughs at beliefs of past society, thinking "we have everything figured out NOW."
But I mean, we don't know much. We don't know, for instance, what consciousness is or how it works or why it exists, or, hell,.why ANYTHING exists.

I expect science to eventually explain a LOT of supernatural phenomena. And, I mean, it already has, continuously. People used to think the mentally ill had some sort of demon in their head for instance, and would.knock a fucking hole in their head to "let it out." And of course it " worked. " like 'oh yeah, I feel WAY better now, you can go ahead and not make the hole bigger or add another one! " :p

[Louie_Cypher]

so where i was going in an earlier post was space is so vast so first a civilization must survive long enough to become space faring a lot of historians believe Egypt is a lot older than we think. 90% of what Lewis and Clark brought with them was supplies like food you don't have ready supplies like that in space. we actually need to think about space ships as little mini planets. one other big issue is communication. so if we ever travel close to fast as light. communication would have to be close behind as Rome expanded there was a big problem if we traveled say 100 light years we could basically lose connection with our civilization and have district 9 situation. this is the same problem as cryogenic status can a number of people basically check out and society be maintained a ship would have to be 100% automated as well as predictive automation.
-louie

[theimage13]

I don't believe that space aliens visit earth, although I think believing we are the only life in the universe is absurd and arrogant. But why would they come HERE, from light years away?


Well...we're looking at planets light years away based on certain criteria (like, could it support our life?). So let's say that some planet out there has life that's more advanced than ours, and not only found out our planet existed, but found a way to get here...is it suddenly so far-fatched that they'd send someone (or something) to come explore? We've dropped numerous explorers onto Mars. Hell, we've dropped a robot onto a damn asteroid. Point being, we've had our reasons to pick out other celestial objects and land on them. If another life-bearing planet found ours and had the means to get here, why not at least try to visit?

I'm not saying it's happened. I'm not saying it hasn't. Just saying...we're all about exploring space and finding planets like ours, so maybe another planet is doing the same and just made more progress than we have.

[elevenism]

Well...we're looking at planets light years away based on certain criteria (like, could it support our life?). So let's say that some planet out there has life that's more advanced than ours, and not only found out our planet existed, but found a way to get here...is it suddenly so far-fatched that they'd send someone (or something) to come explore? We've dropped numerous explorers onto Mars. Hell, we've dropped a robot onto a damn asteroid. Point being, we've had our reasons to pick out other celestial objects and land on them. If another life-bearing planet found ours and had the means to get here, why not at least try to visit?

I'm not saying it's happened. I'm not saying it hasn't. Just saying...we're all about exploring space and finding planets like ours, so maybe another planet is doing the same and just made more progress than we have.
here's my thing:
but like Mars is fucking relatively CLOSE.
There doesn't appear to be any intelligent life in our neighborhood. Calling what we have HERE intelligent is a stretch, but hey, it's who we are i guess.

if they are advanced enough to have mastered interstellar travel, what could possibly bring them here?

It's DAMN sure possible; i would just expect more evidence. I just kind of generally operate on the idea that it isn't happening (but i GODDAMN SURE HOPE it is :) i have a shirt with agent mulder's I WANT TO BELIEVE poster on it. :P)

i personally think most ufo phenomena are military projects or, (and here's where it, and i, get crazy,) possibly interdimensional.

[elevenism]

have you seen this yet theimage13 ? This is BY FAR the most important UFO/paranormal doc i've ever seen and it totally changed the way i see all of this shit.
it's mind blowing.
you've got high level air force operatives admitting to disseminating misinformation.
it's changed the way i've seen all this shit forever


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfR18lm4ADs

[Louie_Cypher]

again it's very hard to get away from our own human perspective. given the vast size of our universe and our tiny understanding it of my guess is ET's will fall into the category of life after death existence of god and other great mysteries and as with the others keep an open mind continue to explore and expand your knowledge and whatever makes you feel good and alive
-louie

[theimage13]

Well, just in time for the revival of this thread:

https://gizmodo.com/this-is-how-it-starts-fbi-suspiciously-locks-down-eva-1829012554

[Louie_Cypher]

this is pretty good although his Elmer fudd lisp can be distracting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDPj5zI66LA

-louie

[elevenism]

Louie_Cypher great minds think alike. I was just looking at this thread when you posted that. :p

[elevenism]

Ok so here's something that has crossed my mind a lot: isn't it possible that there are other life forms that are NOT carbon based? Couldn't it be that life has evolved differently elsewhere, and that, somewhere in the universe, there are life forms that drink liquid potassium or something, and need to breathe methane?

I got to thinking about this when, a few years back, science was baffled to discover some sort of life form that lives entirely off of arsenic.

Edit: here is an article about it that kind of goes on the same place in going with this https://www.livescience.com/9046-microbe-eats-arsenic.html

[Louie_Cypher]

Ok so here's something that has crossed my mind a lot: isn't it possible that there are other life forms that are NOT carbon based? Couldn't it be that life has evolved differently elsewhere, and that, somewhere in the universe, there are life forms that drink liquid potassium or something, and need to breathe methane?

I got to thinking about this when, a few years back, science was baffled to discover some sort of life form that lives entirely off of arsenic.

Edit: here is an article about it that kind of goes on the same place in going with this https://www.livescience.com/9046-microbe-eats-arsenic.htmlit does beg the question of what we consider to be life we also assume a certain level of intelligence, again we only have ourselves to reflect on, again all of this is assumption like the have to have a level of intelligence level of civilization, ok they would have to be space faring which adain assumes a bunch of things most of these things are a reflection of ourselves progression same as us tools same as us, opposable thumbs appendages same us were all we know but there is a lot assumption
-louie

[theimage13]

Ok so here's something that has crossed my mind a lot: isn't it possible that there are other life forms that are NOT carbon based? Couldn't it be that life has evolved differently elsewhere, and that, somewhere in the universe, there are life forms that drink liquid potassium or something, and need to breathe methane?

I got to thinking about this when, a few years back, science was baffled to discover some sort of life form that lives entirely off of arsenic.

Edit: here is an article about it that kind of goes on the same place in going with this https://www.livescience.com/9046-microbe-eats-arsenic.html

I don't think I ever imagined it any differently. I mean, a big thing in sci-fi is the whole "is the atmosphere safe" question. I think I always assumed that life on other planets would have an entirely different set of needs.

Kind of goes along the lines of everything we've ever done to attempt to leave our mark in the universe. If anything we ever shot into space (be it physical objects or radio waves) ever actually made contact with another form of intelligent life, I feel like the odds of them even beginning to understand it are even smaller than the odds of their receiving the message in the first place.

[elevenism]

it does beg the question of what we consider to be life we also assume a certain level of intelligence, again we only have ourselves to reflect on, again all of this is assumption like the have to have a level of intelligence level of civilization, ok they would have to be space faring which adain assumes a bunch of things most of these things are a reflection of ourselves progression same as us tools same as us, opposable thumbs appendages same us were all we know but there is a lot assumption
-louie
Right. And these are ARROGANT assumptions.
@theimage13 (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=809) , hell yes. That Amy Adams movie comes to mind.

Intelligent life could mean all KINDS of shit.
It could be hyper intelligent telekinetic fungi, with one consciousness and no language, capable of self awareness/reflection, covering an entire planet.

But we only look for life in "goldilocks zones" and get all excited about water.

While i think it's likely that there IS an earthlike planet with beings like us SOMEWHERE, I HIGHLY doubt that this is the norm. I would imagine that life that is utterly bizarre to us is like a million times more common.

Also, I mean a million literally. I think the universe is probably FULL of life.

The idea that we are alone in the universe is fucking laughable to me. And it really cracks me up that the origin of such an idea is likely left over from the early days of Christianity, and meanwhile, it seems like most atheists seem to adhere to it.

Edit: also, yeah man. You said a mouthful. There's likely intelligent life that doesn't give a fuck about space exploration. And god only knows what sort of values/customs interstellar societies might have, even if they ARE somehow similar to us.

[Substance242]

The idea that we are alone in the universe is fucking laughable to me.

Enjoy the fun, but it's still possible.

[theimage13]

Enjoy the fun, but it's still possible.

Yeah, and it's possible that an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters will compose the complete works of Shakespeare. I think the idea that it WOULD happen is laughable.

[zero]

Yeah, and it's possible that an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters will compose the complete works of Shakespeare. I think the idea that it WOULD happen is laughable.

Everything is possible, few things are probable. If we trap ourselves in the probable then our possibilities are very limited.

[theimage13]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46181662

[allegro]

What the fuck.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/nasa-learns-more-about-interstellar-visitor-oumuamua


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N-3cy_Pbx1M&feature=youtu.be

[elevenism]

What the fuck.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N-3cy_Pbx1M&feature=youtu.beoh jesus. yeah, that's slightly frightening.

Why in the hell was it given such a bizarre, creepy sounding name? It sounds like the name of some type of cold, uncaring Sumerian god or some shit. I understand the Hawaii thing, but still.

Jesus. is this thing a machine?

[theimage13]

Time for an update!

https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/what-we-know-about-the-navy-s-ufo-problem-1835071834

[Substance242]

From comments: "My vote? Time-traveling tourists. Sightings are increasing because we’re getting closer to WWIII, a popular destination in time for history buffs." Wow, that's... interesting idea.

[elevenism]

From comments: "My vote? Time-traveling tourists. Sightings are increasing because we’re getting closer to WWIII, a popular destination in time for history buffs." Wow, that's... interesting idea.this is obviously the likeliest explanation ;)

[theimage13]

https://www.livescience.com/navy-ufo-videos-authentic-classified.html

[Erneuert]

elevenism Have you checked this out?

From 6:30 it starts getting into it. He doesn’t sound dishonest either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnIG-i2WCfg (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CnIG-i2WCfg)

[elevenism]

@elevenism (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2475) Have you checked this out?

From 6:30 it starts getting into it. He doesn’t sound dishonest either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnIG-i2WCfg (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CnIG-i2WCfg)furthermore, the fucking MILITARY itself has come out and said that UFOs are legit. Strange times, man.

[elevenism]

@elevenism (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2475) Have you checked this out?

From 6:30 it starts getting into it. He doesn’t sound dishonest either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnIG-i2WCfg (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CnIG-i2WCfg)furthermore, the fucking MILITARY itself has come out and said that UFOs are legit. Strange times, man.

[Bachy]

For the second night in a row we've had this twinkling light far in the sky outside the front of our house. I first thought star or planet when I saw it last night but it started very subtly moving and changing colors. I took some video tonight. Apologies for filming vertically >.<. For my own sense of sanity, can anyone tell me what this is?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57DqUsZXENc

I'm shocked my phone was able to pick it up. You can't tell in the video but it is a very clear starry night. This is the only light it could pick-up in the sky.

[Bachy]

So I've had four straight nights of sightings. Last night I witnessed something rather massive. Below is a video I shot of the lights in the sky outside our house again:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooykE8O5dw0

[Jon]

So I've had four straight nights of sightings. Last night I witnessed something rather massive. Below is a video I shot of the lights in the sky outside our house again:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooykE8O5dw0

Your videos look like satellites. The flashing occurs when light reflects off the object during its rotational axis.

This website, Heavens-Above (https://www.heavens-above.com/), is a great resource for finding objects in the sky. See if there's a satellite on the list which matches your location. There is a satellite which orbits around here that looks red/orange.

[Bachy]

Your videos look like satellites. The flashing occurs when light reflects off the object during its rotational axis.

This website, Heavens-Above (https://www.heavens-above.com/), is a great resource for finding objects in the sky. See if there's a satellite on the list which matches your location. There is a satellite which orbits around here that looks red/orange.

Thank you for this. I’m gonna check this out further since sattelites would be the only plausible explanation that I could think of, because they’re definitely not planes. I finally found the pieces to our telescope and got a look at a few of these things. All I can say is in the scope they appear to be moving/vibrating/rotating or something and there’s a very bright white glow. Almost like looking at an LED flashlight. The shape to me has looked curved, almost like a boomerang. What makes me skeptical about a sattelite is these lights are in different spots each night and they usually stay in those spots or thereabouts for hours on end. I really know nothing about sattelites. I had thought they are constantly orbiting so I would figure we’d see it moving across the sky or something.

[Erneuert]

elevenism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRo3YXCvgPI (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BRo3YXCvgPI)

[theimage13]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pentagon-declassifies-navy-videos-purportedly-show-ufos/story?id=70364183

Oh hey, UFO videos from the Pentagon

[Jon]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pentagon-declassifies-navy-videos-purportedly-show-ufos/story?id=70364183

Oh hey, UFO videos from the Pentagon

Here's the FOIA page the Naval Air Systems Command set up for the documents and video. Took awhile to load from my end:

https://www.navair.navy.mil/foia/documents

[elevenism]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pentagon-declassifies-navy-videos-purportedly-show-ufos/story?id=70364183

Oh hey, UFO videos from the Pentagon

What I wanna know is WHY.

WHY is the Pentagon doing this declassification NOW?

Before, they've always seemed to want to cover it up, ala Bluebook and Grudge.

[Archive_Reports]

What I wanna know is WHY.

WHY is the Pentagon doing this declassification NOW?

Before, they've always seemed to want to cover it up, ala Bluebook and Grudge.

In an attempt to distract from the colossal mishandling of the pandemic. Didn't work.

[theimage13]

In an attempt to distract from the colossal mishandling of the pandemic. Didn't work.

I don't know...I feel like anyone with a shred of IQ (which I feel like most people at the Pentagon at least have still) would know this wouldn't work. My money is on "we really just don't feel like talking about this at all, but there's no legal justification for ignoring the requests for the intel. So if we put it out there now, no one's gonna give a shit and ask us dumb questions about it."

[Archive_Reports]

I don't know...I feel like anyone with a shred of IQ (which I feel like most people at the Pentagon at least have still) would know this wouldn't work. My money is on "we really just don't feel like talking about this at all, but there's no legal justification for ignoring the requests for the intel. So if we put it out there now, no one's gonna give a shit and ask us dumb questions about it."

Both may be true, honestly.

[elevenism]

Both may be true, honestly.

i started this thread, and i fought hard for its existence.

people thought i was some sort of lunatic. Archive_Reports , much love, you've become one of my favorite posters here, but you subtly suggested i should be banned, if Haz (who i love, and with whom i've kept up on facebook) was banned.


my point, was that strange lights appear in the sky. period.

furthermore, my idea, as stated in the first fucking post, was that other life existed in the universe, but, that i doubted it would come HERE. It's just too fucking FAR.

With these videos, my mind is STARTING to change. I'm damn sure not all the way there. i'm not sure these vids are as "real" as the gvmt would have us believe. i just don't know.

i don't know what to think.

But, these videos...

[Archive_Reports]

elevenism It was more in defense of some of Haz's posts than anything else, but point taken.

[botley]

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/a-word-about-those-ufo-videos/

[theimage13]

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/a-word-about-those-ufo-videos/

Buzzkill :P

I understand the part of her explanation that she wouldn't be qualified to debunk what is displayed in the video because she's not an expert in military image capture, electrical engineering, etc. But that seems to wholly gloss over the fact that the pilots witnessed this with their own eyes - the capture is just secondary evidence. So I think you have to ignore that point because we already know that what was observed on camera was observed in person by the pilots.

I think - understandably - that her take on this is a much more pragmatic one, and grounded in the fact that she knows WAY more about space than we do. So I admit it would seem kind of foolish for me to write off her opinion entirely. But I feel like I find it a little less unlikely than she does. Maybe, as she said, the jump from "WTF is that" to "aliens!" is based entirely on scifi, and I just enjoy that explanation more than whatever "trick of the light" explanation might really exist.

[botley]

i just enjoy that explanation more
ding ding ding

[theimage13]

ding ding ding

But I wonder if she makes the same argument for faith. I know a number of amazing scientists in various fields who are also devoutly religious. But I would have a hard time accepting anyone's justification of "well our minds only go to aliens because we want it to go there and it's almost assuredly not aliens", but who then also say "oh yeah, God and miracles are totally real". Sorry, veering a bit.

[allegate]

But I wonder if she makes the same argument for faith. I know a number of amazing scientists in various fields who are also devoutly religious. But I would have a hard time accepting anyone's justification of "well our minds only go to aliens because we want it to go there and it's almost assuredly not aliens", but who then also say "oh yeah, God and miracles are totally real". Sorry, veering a bit.
I'm so sorry, but I had to share the train of thought that just tore through my head:

https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/jesus%20take%20the%20wheel.png?t=5C3321

[botley]

But I wonder if she makes the same argument for faith. I know a number of amazing scientists in various fields who are also devoutly religious. But I would have a hard time accepting anyone's justification of "well our minds only go to aliens because we want it to go there and it's almost assuredly not aliens", but who then also say "oh yeah, God and miracles are totally real". Sorry, veering a bit.
Pretty sure in this case she would not (https://www.wunc.org/post/scientist-who-found-her-faith-physics-meet-katie-mack-aka-astrokatie).

[elevenism]

Ok, I've got my theory.

These things are OURS, and the Pentagon doesn't want us in the us, or especially, any other country, knowing we have such technology.

That's my theory on the declassified vids.

[elevenism]

And, we've got another hot one.


https://youtu.be/TVL6jv-h1W0
Leviathant , should we merge the new UFO thread with this one?

[neorev]

Or our government is gonna blame a certain "enemy" country being involved so we go to war with them.

[allegate]

The biggest blow against those things being aliens is that the former guy wouldn't have been able to keep his mouth shut about it. Not for the notoriety, not for the AMAZING counter-programming that would have afforded him when shit went (and just kept going) south, and certainly not for the "ratings" that such a press briefing would have afforded him. Any of those would have been h(y)uge for him and yet they did not happen.

[fillow]

https://youtu.be/-r2oaQWmqkk

[Erneuert]

https://7news.com.au/spotlight/spotlight-exclusives/7news-spotlight-special-the-phenomenon-reveals-the-truth-about-ufos-c-2945045


SPOTLIGHT EXCLUSIVES (https://7news.com.au/spotlight/spotlight-exclusives)


7NEWS Spotlight special The Phenomenon reveals the truth about UFOs

Forget everything you’ve ever been told about UFOs - they are real.
The ridicule directed at flying saucers, Unidentified Flying Objects and UAPs for the past half century is well and truly over.
Five-time Walkley Award-winning investigative journalist Ross Coulthart and the 7NEWS Spotlight (https://7news.com.au/spotlight) team journey around the world in this special investigation into the UFO phenomenon (https://7news.com.au/technology/space/pentagon-spokesperson-confirms-leaked-ufo-images-video-is-real-c-2584039).


Featuring interviews with the highest echelons of military defence and intelligence officials (https://7news.com.au/technology/aliens/ufos-are-about-to-make-their-way-to-the-us-senate-heres-what-to-know-c-2889496), leading researchers, scientists and witnesses in America and Australia, this mind-blowing documentary, years in the making, seeks to answer the most fundamental question there is: are we alone?

[Erneuert]

https://7news.com.au/spotlight/spotlight-exclusives/7news-spotlight-special-the-phenomenon-reveals-the-truth-about-ufos-c-2945045


SPOTLIGHT EXCLUSIVES (https://7news.com.au/spotlight/spotlight-exclusives)


7NEWS Spotlight special The Phenomenon reveals the truth about UFOs



Forget everything you’ve ever been told about UFOs - they are real.
The ridicule directed at flying saucers, Unidentified Flying Objects and UAPs for the past half century is well and truly over.
Five-time Walkley Award-winning investigative journalist Ross Coulthart and the 7NEWS Spotlight (https://7news.com.au/spotlight) team journey around the world in this special investigation into the UFO phenomenon (https://7news.com.au/technology/space/pentagon-spokesperson-confirms-leaked-ufo-images-video-is-real-c-2584039).


Featuring interviews with the highest echelons of military defence and intelligence officials (https://7news.com.au/technology/aliens/ufos-are-about-to-make-their-way-to-the-us-senate-heres-what-to-know-c-2889496), leading researchers, scientists and witnesses in America and Australia, this mind-blowing documentary, years in the making, seeks to answer the most fundamental question there is: are we alone?







Click the link and watch the trailer/preview. Looks like it’s airing here in Australia soon. An Australian/US combined effort years in the making by the looks of it. elevenism

[allegate]

The 'best ever' picture of a UFO has been restored after 50 years (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-best-ever-picture-of-a-ufo-has-been-restored-after-50-years/ar-AAX4C2R?ocid=uxbndlbing)
The original photo was taken in 1971 by a mapmaker named Sergio Loaiza who was flying over Costa Rica photographing the rainforest below for a hydroelectric project.

Loaiza took the image as he flew over Lake Cote, capturing the rainforest in 20-second intervals for The National Geographic Institute of Costa Rica.

The picture – taken from 10,000 feet – appears to show a metallic disc flying lower over the land.

The unidentified object was only spotted a decade later in the 80s when the negatives were studied for potential ways to connect Lake Cote with the nearby Arenal Lagoon.

Out of all the pictures, only a single frame, time-stamped at 8.25 am, contains the metal disc in it. Over the years, the object’s size has been estimated to be between 120-220 feet in diameter.

[Corona Radiata]

I will say this. People do actually witness these “aliens” (I don’t like to assume without proof they are from another planet).

I have seen them. Clear as day. Right in front of me.

What was actually happening? Where they actually really there? What does “really there” even mean? Those are unanswered questions but many of the people who claim to see or experience them are not lying.

My friend does a little podcast every weekend and on occasion I join him. It’s just a small thing for a specific sub-community of Guns N’ Roses fans. We had a paranormal podcast for Halloween and I spoke about my encounter if anyone is interested. (It’s not particularly exciting though, just so you know in advance.) I talk about it at 2:07:30 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HGHpauU5yMY

My mother has met the man who used to run the UFO program for the UK Ministry Of Defense multiple times. She had dinner with him a few days ago. Either there is a global conspiracy to convince us all that aliens are real and he’s part of it, or aliens are real. Maybe there is another option I’m not considering.

[elevenism]

I will say this. People do actually witness these “aliens” (I don’t like to assume without proof they are from another planet).

I have seen them. Clear as day. Right in front of me...

WHOA whoa whoa there, hoss.
You're saying you see aliens like... walking around?
So .are you serious? Or do you just want me to check out the podcast?

I have a dear friend who made money as a model, and she spent it all on about nine too many of those ayahuasca and toad venom ceremonies in south america

Now she's telling me that her girlfriend is 50% alien. But, sadly, she herself is only 15%.

Don't forget though, Andre Benjamin DID tell us "alien can blend right on in with your kin look again cause I swear I spot one every now and then"
:/

[Corona Radiata]

WHOA whoa whoa there, hoss.
You're saying you see aliens like... walking around?
So .are you serious? Or do you just want me to check out the podcast?

I have a dear friend who made money as a model, and she spent it all on about nine too many of those ayahuasca and toad venom ceremonies in south america

Now she's telling me that her girlfriend is 50% alien. But, sadly, she herself is only 15%.

Don't forget though, Andre Benjamin DID tell us "alien can blend right on in with your kin look again cause I swear I spot one every now and then"
:/

Sorry I did not mean for that to come off like an advertisement for a podcast. I just thought it was something better explained verbally. I don’t make any money off that podcast. I don’t think anyone does actually.

I had one experience where I saw stereotypical “aliens”. It’s not a regular occurrence.

[elevenism]

Sorry I did not mean for that to come off like an advertisement for a podcast. I just thought it was something better explained verbally. I don’t make any money off that podcast. I don’t think anyone does actually.

I had one experience where I saw stereotypical “aliens”. It’s not a regular occurrence.

Ok so.now I'm interested.

What were the circumstances of this encounter? What exactly did you see, where did you see it, and for how long?

You certainly wouldn't be the first to make such a claim.

[Erneuert]

elevenism

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/space/the-calvine-photo-worlds-best-ever-ufo-image-revealed-after-30-years/news-story/71bb03c3aef016ffbfab895cbdde3c25

The Calvine Photo: World’s ‘best ever’ UFO image revealed after 30 yearsFor more than 30 years, the “elusive” picture has remained a secret, yet it forms one of the “biggest mysteries” in UFO history.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/rosscoulthart/status/1561921974175010816

[elevenism]

Yeezus wept.

I thought this was a hoax, but I guess it's real?


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AWs07SR3GT8

[Erneuert]

Yeezus wept.

I thought this was a hoax, but I guess it's real?


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AWs07SR3GT8


Feels like a 1990s resurgence. Time to bring back The X-Files, Chris Carter. I mean it.

[elevenism]

Feels like a 1990s resurgence. Time to bring back The X-Files, Chris Carter. I mean it.

NO! As good NIN fans/ atheists (despite songs like Terrible Lie and Find My Way, its IMPORTANT to hold on to a medieval Christian mindset, here.

I mean, we're OBVIOUSLY the only forms of life in the 93 billion LIGHT YEARS of observable existence, right?

Because, you know, that's what our five major religions sa...wait, I mean, that's an important tenet of pure atheism.

[elevenism]

Anyway, so, hey...

This is PRETTY fucking weird.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q38TFmg6jDo

My guess?
This dude had been filming top secret weapons, like the hypersonic missiles we 'don't have,' or, perhaps, the launch of one of our Death Stars.

Still pretty goddamn weird, this incident..

I DO.believe that this will be discussed for..decades.

[Erneuert]

elevenism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHAm0wWiJA0 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WHAm0wWiJA0)

[Erneuert]

elevenism that “dark forest” theory at about the 4 minute mark is interesting.

[elevenism]

@elevenism (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2475)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHAm0wWiJA0 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WHAm0wWiJA0)
I'll watch it on the ole' big screen!

I'll tell you one thing, though.
I've LONG thought that these sightings...the few that I didn't dismiss as hoaxes...that if they're crafts of any kind, they're not just interstellar: rather, they are interDIMENSIONAL. They often seem to blink in and out of existence.

They could be SOLELY interdimensional beings, OR, perhaps they're from unimaginable distances in THIS universe, but jumping into a near dimension is part of their mode of travel.

I'll tell you one fucking thing, though: now that we know that world gvmts are ostensibly SERIOUSLY looking into this shit, I'm not so quick to dismiss everything as hoaxes.

The most important thing, though, Erneuert , is that the lights in the sky have finally arrived...and I am sitting right beside you (in time).

[GulDukat]

UFO whistleblower alleges 'non-human' biologics found at crash sites (https://www.nbcnews.com/video/ufo-whistleblower-admits-to-the-existence-of-non-human-biologics-189331013801)

[GulDukat]

'Alien' bodies with three-fingered hands, 'unknown DNA and eggs inside' are presented by UFO expert at Mexican congress - with the 'non-humans' found in Peru said to be 1,000 years old (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12512509/alien-mexico-congress-corpses.html)