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DigitalChaos
10-08-2015, 02:08 PM
http://dandygoat.com/hillary-adopts-new-goth-look-to-appeal-to-youth

http://i.imgur.com/nqyJmc9.png

Dra508
10-08-2015, 06:25 PM
Repub Party imploding on The Hill today, no reason to not believe Madam Secretary can't win The White House.

GulDukat
10-11-2015, 10:37 AM
Democratic debate on Tuesday.

GulDukat
10-13-2015, 08:59 PM
Bernie Sanders opening remarks...wow. Pretty damn impressive. I like all five candidates, tbh.

Piko
10-13-2015, 09:26 PM
It's going to end up being between Bernie and Hilary, I think. All five do have potential though. It's going to be a very interesting race.

GulDukat
10-13-2015, 09:32 PM
It's going to end up being between Bernie and Hilary, I think. All five do have potential though. It's going to be a very interesting race.
I like Lincoln Chafee, always found him to be impressive. He was the only Republican senator to vote against the Iraq War.

Piko
10-13-2015, 09:35 PM
I like Lincoln Chafee, always found him to be impressive. He was the only Republican senator to vote against the Iraq War.

He seems fine. But, I get the vibe that everyone else is going to get overshadowed by Bernie and Hilary. All five are doing great. But, it's probably going to come down to who stands out the most.

GulDukat
10-13-2015, 09:42 PM
He seems fine. But, I get the vibe that everyone else is going to get overshadowed by Bernie and Hilary. All five are doing great. But, it's probably going to come down to who stands out the most.
They are all better than any of the Rebublicans, that's for sure.

Piko
10-13-2015, 09:50 PM
They are all better than any of the Rebublicans, that's for sure.

That's not saying much, haha. But yeah, definitely.

GulDukat
10-13-2015, 09:54 PM
"The American public are sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails!" Best line of tonight's debate.

Piko
10-13-2015, 10:01 PM
That was great! Loved the response it got from thr audience as well.

allegro
10-13-2015, 10:50 PM
Man, this is great. They're AGREEING with each other!

Piko
10-13-2015, 10:57 PM
Kinda hard not to agree or acknowledge the problems we have. Pretty good debate. I only planned on watching a little bit. Ended up watching the the entire thing.

Edit:

Loved O'Malley's closing statement.

Fifey
10-13-2015, 11:03 PM
O'Malley will make a great VP for either Sanders or Clinton.

allegro
10-13-2015, 11:04 PM
Loved O'Malley's closing statement.
ME, TOO!!!! It made me tear up a little!!

Best debaters were Clinton, Sanders and O'Malley.

Webb and Chafee whined too much about not getting enough time; if they wanted more time, they should have been more assertive.

Chafee won't get much farther; he has good ideas but doesn't come across as Presidential Material. He's kind of shy and bumbly.

Piko
10-13-2015, 11:04 PM
O'Malley will make a great VP for either Sanders or Clinton.

He should definitely get a job somewhere, if not VP.

GulDukat
10-13-2015, 11:05 PM
O'Malley will make a great VP for either Sanders or Clinton.
Just thinking the same thing.

cynicmuse
10-13-2015, 11:05 PM
It was nice to have a debate without bad comb over dude. I don't like Webb. He kept trying to get the spotlight and Anderson Cooper kept giving him a verbal smack down. His answer for proudest enemy (soldier who threw a grenade at him) seemed tone deaf. It's in keeping with his chief selling point, which seems to be his military service. Also, his white shirt and pinkish salmon tie combo drove me nuts; he would have looked so much better in a pale colored shirt (yes, I know that this is the equivalent of criticizing Hilary's hair or pantsuit, but a white shirt is really hard to do well on TV).

Edit: Bernie Sanders just described the Republican debates as a food fight!

Piko
10-13-2015, 11:12 PM
Webb had some decent ideas, but I don't see him lasting too long. Seemed a little too laid back. I don't know how far Chafey will get either. But, it was a reasonable debate that was to the point. Like O'Malley said, it was nothing hateful and it was civil. The Republican debates have been nothing more than a circus. I have a good feeling cooler heads will prevail next year (like the last two elections).

Clinton definitely showed her experience tonight. Sanders kept up, with O'Malley not far behind.

allegro
10-13-2015, 11:16 PM
[Webb's] answer for proudest enemy (soldier who threw a grenade at him) seemed tone deaf. It's in keeping with his chief selling point, which seems to be his military service. Also, his white shirt and pinkish salmon tie combo drove me nuts; he would have looked so much better in a pale colored shirt (yes, I know that this is the equivalent of criticizing Hilary's hair or pantsuit, but a white shirt is really hard to do well on TV).

Edit: Bernie Sanders just described the Republican debates as a food fight!

I totally agree. And attire means A LOT!!! (See studies about the televised JFK Nixon debate.) http://www.bodylanguagesuccess.com/2011/01/watershed-body-language-moment-nixon.html?m=1

Webb's military experience should have helped him but it just made him seem weird.


re Republican debate "food fight" - everybody was calling it that: http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/692116

allegro
10-13-2015, 11:35 PM
Biggest surprise: Chafee's response as to why he voted for the repeal of Glass-Steagall in 1999.

That was weird.

Also, kudos to Anderson Cooper.

DigitalChaos
10-14-2015, 01:33 AM
Sanders was the only one with a tolerable answer on the NSA/Snowden topic.

Hillary and OMalley went as far as repeating outright lies to defend their own stance. Lying, deceitful, fucks.

- "whistle blower protections" - A headline that's been repeatedly shown to be non existent for Snowden because of various things, such as him being a contractor.

- "gave info to the enemy" - Another headline that has zero support. Everything we know shows that he did not give any info to the enemy (russia etc). Further, he couldn't have even accidentally given the info to anyone else because he stopped possessing it after handing it off to the journalists. He had nothing by the time he got to Russia.

- "ran to russsia to hide" - Another headline trying to make Snowden look bad. The reality is that the US put him there. Russia was where he was catching a connecting flight. The US decided to revoke his passport before he could catch the connection. That's why he got stuck there.

DigitalChaos
10-14-2015, 01:58 AM
Biggest surprise: Chafee's response as to why he voted for the repeal of Glass-Steagall in 1999.

That was weird.



"I just got the job and my dad died"
#FeelTheChafe

what the fuck?! Just fucking say "i was wrong" that's all you gotta do. Instead you look like someone who's decisions are easily influenced in bad ways, aka someone who shouldn't have lots of power.

GulDukat
10-14-2015, 07:06 AM
"I just got the job and my dad died"
#FeelTheChafe

what the fuck?! Just fucking say "i was wrong" that's all you gotta do. Instead you look like someone who's decisions are easily influenced in bad ways, aka someone who shouldn't have lots of power.
Yeah, not his strongest moment.

onthewall2983
10-14-2015, 02:11 PM
It's almost funny that the most offensive conservative response from this came from Curt Schilling.

allegro
10-14-2015, 02:58 PM
LOL, yeah, wtf

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Screen-Shot-2015-10-13-at-10.05.37-PM.png-620x367.jpeg

DigitalChaos
10-14-2015, 04:12 PM
Watch MSNBC and CNN edit out what Sanders had to say in the "damn emails" segment.

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/14/cable-news-edits-out-rousing-sanders-attack-on-vapid-media-coverage/

"Wealth inequality? Fuck that noise! We just want to show Sanders backing Hillary!"

Dra508
10-14-2015, 05:41 PM
LOL, yeah, wtf

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Screen-Shot-2015-10-13-at-10.05.37-PM.png-620x367.jpeg
What a twit. He's probably in Connecticut still trying to get his job back with ESPN. http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/25/us/curt-schilling-insensitive-tweet/

allegro
10-14-2015, 08:23 PM
Watch MSNBC and CNN edit out what Sanders had to say in the "damn emails" segment.

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/14/cable-news-edits-out-rousing-sanders-attack-on-vapid-media-coverage/

"Wealth inequality? Fuck that noise! We just want to show Sanders backing Hillary!"
That's so goofy. The Hillary emails shit is all Republican-generated slander and Sanders is right: STFU, WE DON'T FUCKING CARE, THAT IS A BUNCH OF REPUBLICAN SHIT, ANDERSON, SAVE IT FOR THE REPUBLICAN DEBATE.

The fucking OPM isn't fucking SECURE so WHO FUCKING CARES.

Piko
10-14-2015, 08:37 PM
Just the Republicans trying to win a dirty way instead of doing what the Democrats are, talking about the actual issues. All they have to fall back on is bengazi, emails, or something bigoted. It's uncommon for Democrats to win three elections in a row. But, I can't imagine how they can lose, considering what they're up against.

DigitalChaos
10-14-2015, 08:47 PM
That's so goofy. The Hillary emails shit is all Republican-generated slander and Sanders is right: STFU, WE DON'T FUCKING CARE, THAT IS A BUNCH OF REPUBLICAN SHIT, ANDERSON, SAVE IT FOR THE REPUBLICAN DEBATE.

Well, *IF* she mishandled classified info, that's a big deal... Especially for her job. Especially with all the judgement she throws at Snowden. The FBI investigation will hopefully sort that out. That's the key. Let the investigation happen. I thought Sanders was actually a bit too dismissive.

No doubt the GOP is clinging to it because their goal is to hurt Hillary (vs for legal justice). It's their new Benghazi and it's made the email topic equally as toxic. I wasn't kidding when I said that I hoped the MSF bombing couldn't be tied to Hillary. If it were, it'd probably get buried under GOP desperation.

allegro
10-14-2015, 09:13 PM
Well, *IF* she mishandled classified info, that's a big deal... Especially for her job. Especially with all the judgement she throws at Snowden. The FBI investigation will hopefully sort that out. That's the key. Let the investigation happen. I thought Sanders was actually a bit too dismissive.

No doubt the GOP is clinging to it because their goal is to hurt Hillary (vs for legal justice). It's their new Benghazi and it's made the email topic equally as toxic. I wasn't kidding when I said that I hoped the MSF bombing couldn't be tied to Hillary. If it were, it'd probably get buried under GOP desperation.
I didn't take her or Sanders' "Snowden broke the law" judgement so seriously. You have to remember that they can't be appealing ONLY to their own fans; they need to appeal to independents or even disgruntled crossover voters. And Snowden did technically break laws with what he did. Sorry, but he did. Yes, he brought out stupid illegal shit our government is doing but THIS IS A CAMPAIGN, HERE, AND IT'S ABOUT WINNING.

Right now, a shitload of American "Patriots" cheer Republicans who think Snowden should be extradited and sentenced to death for treason (http://www.infowars.com/flashback-donald-trump-calls-for-execution-of-edward-snowden/).

Clinton is not known to have "mishandled" anything; she just did not use their servers for her emails, which could have been a potential security risk but knowing the fucking lack of security the FBI has on their own fucking servers, mishandling extremely confidential info of over 22 million people (INCLUDING ME), yeah, whatever. The FBI can't grab their own ass.

DigitalChaos
10-14-2015, 09:28 PM
Well like I said earlier, the comments from Sanders on Snowden was pretty solid. It's also drastically different from Hillary's stance. He's doing just fine in his campaign :)

In my last post, when I said Sanders was a little too dismissive, I was referring to how he responded to Hillary's email.

There are a lot of people on both sides who hate Snowden. The Sanders stance is a minority view. On the GOP side, you have people like Paul, Amash, and Massie who hold a similar stance to Sanders.

allegro
10-14-2015, 09:33 PM
Well like I said earlier, the comments from Sanders on Snowden was pretty solid. It's also drastically different from Hillary's stance. He's doing just fine in his campaign :)
I am a big Bernie fan but his response was not much different than Hillary's, except he hates the NSA and Hillary isn't totally clear about that. But Bernie said Snowden broke the law.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/14/clinton-and-sanders-snowden-should-face-prosecution/

When she said info has "fallen into the wrong hands," she means literally -- confidential info went to journalists -- the wrong hands.

DigitalChaos
10-14-2015, 10:08 PM
missed your edit:


Clinton is not known to have "mishandled" anything; she just did not use their servers for her emails, which could have been a potential security risk but knowing the fucking lack of security the FBI has on their own fucking servers, mishandling extremely confidential info of over 22 million people (INCLUDING ME), yeah, whatever. The FBI can't grab their own ass.

I think this demonstrates exactly how toxic the GOP's desperation is to an issue. You, and many others, have completely binned this as a non-issue before an investigation is complete.

This is a very short article by Glenn Greenwald about the conflict between Hillary's stance on punishing people like Manning and Snowden against her email situation.
https://theintercept.com/2015/08/12/hillary-clinton-sanctity-protecting-classified-information/

The very first sentence is something most people seem to not even be aware of: "It turns out that at least two of the emails which traversed Hillary Clinton’s personal email account and server were “top secret,” "

DigitalChaos
10-14-2015, 10:31 PM
I am a big Bernie fan but his response was not much different than Hillary's, except he hates the NSA and Hillary isn't totally clear about that. But Bernie said Snowden broke the law.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/14/clinton-and-sanders-snowden-should-face-prosecution/

When she said info has "fallen into the wrong hands," she means literally -- confidential info went to journalists -- the wrong hands.

The only reason you can argue that "wrong hands" could mean "journalists" is because Hillary was slightly vague. Just about everyone (https://theintercept.com/2015/10/14/what-did-clinton-mean-when-she-said-snowden-files-fell-into-the-wrong-hands/), including the article you are linking to, is interpreting her statement as alluding to Russia and/or China as the "wrong hands." As your article states, that's completely unsubstantiated. I'd love to hear her clarify and actually say that the journalists are the wrong hands. That's help her polling out a lot! /s

She also downplayed his actions with the "He could have gotten all of the protections of being a whistleblower" line that is much less vague and much harder to argue that it is anything but false.

Meanwhile. Sanders had good things to say about Snowden whereas Hillary had none.

And yes, Sanders hates the NSA while Hillary loves it. That's a huge positive for Sanders on this topic.

allegro
10-14-2015, 10:41 PM
The only reason you can argue that "wrong hands" could mean "journalists" is because Hillary was slightly vague. Just about everyone (https://theintercept.com/2015/10/14/what-did-clinton-mean-when-she-said-snowden-files-fell-into-the-wrong-hands/), including the article you are linking to, is interpreting her statement as alluding to Russia and/or China as the "wrong hands." As your article states, that's completely unsubstantiated. I'd love to hear her clarify and actually say that the journalists are the wrong hands. That's help her polling out a lot! /s
.
look, the info he gave out was distributed by journalists so, by default, it also got into "THOSE HANDS" (other countries). It went wide. Let's not be naive, here. Although, I am pretty certain China already got enough info in lots of other ways. The very fact that the NSA *exists* (and he told everybody that we are spying on Germany) was enough.

allegro
10-14-2015, 10:50 PM
missed your edit:


I think this demonstrates exactly how toxic the GOP's desperation is to an issue. You, and many others, have completely binned this as a non-issue before an investigation is complete.

This is a very short article by Glenn Greenwald about the conflict between Hillary's stance on punishing people like Manning and Snowden against her email situation.
https://theintercept.com/2015/08/12/hillary-clinton-sanctity-protecting-classified-information/

The very first sentence is something most people seem to not even be aware of: "It turns out that at least two of the emails which traversed Hillary Clinton’s personal email account and server were “top secret,” "

That is a load of crap.

Compare that to the OPM "investigation" and the entire system being TOP SECRET and none of it being encrypted. And all of it now being ripe for espionage blackmail.

Oh, but wait!! Employees and their minor kids (but not spouses) get one whole year of free "identity protection services!" Lol lol lol.

Clinton apologized for not using the .gov server, but there is only so long we can beat her for that when 22 million Americans have been terribly violated on an FBI .gov server with top security (NORAD!!) clearance, none of which was encrypted.

If nobody knows about her own server, it's less likely to be a target than the idiots behind .gov (which has a giant neon orange target on it, and is about as "secure" as an unlocked Ferrari in a ghetto).

It isn't like she was using AOL for Christ sake.

People are just pissed at her like she was using a vanity site, like "oh, fuck that .gov shit, I want to use Hillary@hillaryrocksmyass.com. Because I am Hillary." Which is a bunch of shit. Ultimately, it's just more sexist shit.

Her server was only unencrypted for the first 3 months: http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2015/03/11/researchers-say-clintons-email-server-had-no-encryption-for-her-first-three-months-in-office/

DigitalChaos
10-15-2015, 11:11 AM
I disagree that any of that makes it ok. If it did, you could ignore every leak of data, including Snowden.

Also, from a pure election standpoint, anyone who wants to give Sanders a better chance at a win should be pushing the email story. http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/did-the-democratic-debate-change-the-odds/

DigitalChaos
10-15-2015, 11:16 AM
Supposedly, CNN deleted their online debate poll where Sanders had 82% of the votes.
http://m.imgur.com/gallery/D4PINyz

How many more things like this will the media keep doing to hurt Sanders/help Hillary?

allegro
10-15-2015, 01:29 PM
Supposedly, CNN deleted their online debate poll where Sanders had 82% of the votes.
http://m.imgur.com/gallery/D4PINyz

How many more things like this will the media keep doing to hurt Sanders/help Hillary?
After watching that, does it SURPRISE you? Come on, that was the Hillary show. With Sanders a close second. CNN isn't "news." It's just "entertainment."

Just like Fox's debates are just the "Trump Show."

The thing is, as much as I love Bernie, Bernie does not stand a CHANCE against Trump. And right now, as crazy as it seems, it looks like Trump is the frontrunner in the Republican side. And I just don't see a whole hell of a lot of people going "hmmmmm ... Trump or Sanders? Trump or Sanders?" Sanders is, unfortunately, just too "Socialist" for this totally "anti-Socialist" and mostly "Pro-Capitalist" country.

Those Revolutionary people he courts are mostly too fucking lazy to get off their asses and VOTE and get rid of those crazy Tea Party assholes who are currently too much in control.

But, you know what's weird? G and I have met a few Trump fans who actually SAID: "But, you know, I like Biden."

Go ahead and vote for your own principles, but then watch what happens to this country for the next four fucking years of Trump hell.

You can root for the Revolutionary or you can vote for the one who actually has a chance of winning the general election.

My Mom is telling everybody that she is moving to Canada.

allegro
10-15-2015, 01:39 PM
I disagree that any of that makes it ok. If it did, you could ignore every leak of data, including Snowden.

I'm not saying anything is "okay" (although Hillary's team did not intentionally and deliberately leak data) but I'm saying that she was misadvised, and that the Republicans have already said it was a witch-hunt that was devised to bring her down so they could win. But, also, Bernie is right: Americans don't give a fucking shit about this as an "issue." Americans care about Wall Street, about GE not paying any fucking taxes and we are paying a lot, about the Cayman Islands being tax shelters, about Too Big to Jail, about TWO YEARS OF FREE COLLEGE FOR STATE COLLEGE STUDENTS (while these fucking state college board presidents are getting paid $400,000 per year), about shitty trade agreements that fuck us, about Social Security and removing the wage cap and chained CPI, about a fair minimum wage, etc. etc.

WHAT BERNIE SANDERS WANTS (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/bernie-sanders-believe-candidate-stands-10-issues/)

DigitalChaos
10-15-2015, 03:59 PM
It doesn't surprise me. I just think it's really important to show the corruption, especially to Sanders fans who are more politically aware of problems of the system. Regardless of each candidate's chances, this kind of thing does NOT help. It should be actively called out when it happens.


In addition to
- CNN & MSNBC editing out Sanders debate commentary to focus on supporting Hillary, and
- the deletion of online polls showing Sanders winning...

There is the disturbingly corrupt state of the DNC. The head of the DNC, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, is likely doing some dirty shit. Hillary is her preferred candidate, she even ran Hillary's national campaign previously.
- The number of debates has been restricted to an unprecedentedly small number. It's a benefit to Hillary. OMalley and Sanders have been complaining about it, going as far as calling it rigged. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democratic-challengers-launch-attacks-against-clinton-party-leadership/2015/08/28/722bc1c6-4d9b-11e5-84df-923b3ef1a64b_story.html)
- Lessig, a dem candidate who is entirely about getting money out of politics, is being excluded from the debates despite polling higher and gaining donations faster than several of the candidates who were on the stage.

allegro
10-15-2015, 04:16 PM
It doesn't surprise me. I just think it's really important to show the corruption, especially to Sanders fans who are more politically aware of problems of the system. Regardless of each candidate's chances, this kind of thing does NOT help. It should be actively called out when it happens.

I don't think it's corruption, I think it's just ad-selling. TV is all about one thing: money and ads. CNN is not beholden to the DNC; it only cares about advertisers' money. Hillary isn't even paying for any ads, yet.



In addition to
- CNN & MSNBC editing out Sanders debate commentary to focus on supporting Hillary, and
- the deletion of online polls showing Sanders winning...
Again, there is zero evidence that this has any affect on anything related to actual votes. Like, for instance, remember this (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/06/rep-eric-cantor-absolutely-shocked-by-primary-loss/).

O'Malley and Sanders didn't say THAT DEBATE was rigged; they said the entire PROCESS was rigged.


Speaking from the dais, with DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz sitting a few feet away, O’Malley blasted the party’s limited number of sanctioned debates as a process “rigged” in favor of the front-runner. The DNC is holding six debates, only four before February’s first caucuses in Iowa, which O’Malley argued is a disadvantage for all the candidates and a disservice to Democrats generally.

“This sort of rigged process has never been attempted before,” said O’Malley, who has struggled to gain traction in the polls. He added: “We are the Democratic Party, not the undemocratic party.”

But, again, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY. Are you fucking kidding me? Is O'Malley seriously thinking that the process was ever "fair" and that the DNC (or even the RNC) lets "voters" pick whomever the fuck they want? Or let DEBATES or POLLS choose a candidate? WHAT THE FUCK IS HE SMOKING???

And does he REALLY think that voters WANT to see or even CARE ABOUT SEEING 25 fucking debates, like last time? NO NO NO NO NO.

Meanwhile, there's this (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/12/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-debate/). And this (http://www.politicususa.com/2015/10/14/cnn-focus-group-bernie-sanders-won-democratic-debate.html).

AND IT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING except hit-bait for CNN.


Lessig
Who?

DigitalChaos
10-16-2015, 07:03 PM
https://theintercept.com/2015/10/16/snowden-says-hillary-clintons-bogus-statements-show-a-lack-of-political-courage/

“Hilary Clinton is wrong and misinformed,”

"But I would actually argue that [the debate was] an extraordinary leap forward in terms of recognition by the establishment that the actions of 2013 were not so harmful as originally claimed.”

DigitalChaos
10-19-2015, 04:23 PM
CNN did not delete the Sanders poll? http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/19/nowthis/no-internet-cnn-did-not-delete-its-poll-showing-be/

im nearly certain I saw the poll directly on the CNN site (not just their facebook shit) but whatever.

cynicmuse
10-20-2015, 10:53 PM
Webb is out (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/20/politics/jim-webb-2016-election-drops-out/). I wonder if some of the lower tier Republicans will give up soon.

allegro
10-22-2015, 09:25 AM
Biden not running, this is not a huge shock and is actually a relief since the Dems don't need to become the clusterfuck that is the current Republican race.

DigitalChaos
10-22-2015, 03:45 PM
Biden running would have been a huge benefit to Sanders. Too bad.

allegro
10-23-2015, 09:25 AM
Now Chafee's out, too.

GulDukat
10-23-2015, 01:04 PM
The Benghazi hearing....what a bunch of shit. Hopefully it will help Clinton as it truly exposed it for the partisan which hunt that it is.

GulDukat
10-23-2015, 01:04 PM
Now Chafee's out, too.
I like him, but that's no big surprise.

DigitalChaos
10-23-2015, 09:15 PM
The Benghazi hearing....what a bunch of shit. Hopefully it will help Clinton as it truly exposed it for the partisan which hunt that it is.
How would it help Clinton though? It's not like there are some GOP holdouts who were avoiding voting for Hillary until the Benghazi thing was settled. It was purely an attack on her in hopes of costing her the dem nomination. There really isn't any loss to the GOP if there is not evidence of wrongdoing by Hillary.

emptydesk
10-23-2015, 09:34 PM
The GOP fucked up massively and handed Hillary an 11 hour campaign commercial.

I think to the average voter, of which more than half are women, it looked like a bunch of angry middle management men yelling at a sympathetic professional woman who kept her composure. She looked professional and presidential, while they looked like they were throwing a tantrum.

I'm not even a Hillary voter, but the optics of it are undeniable.

GulDukat
10-23-2015, 09:48 PM
. Double post.

GulDukat
10-23-2015, 09:49 PM
The GOP fucked up massively and handed Hillary an 11 hour campaign commercial.

I think to the average voter, of which more than half are women, it looked like a bunch of angry middle management men yelling at a sympathetic professional woman who kept her composure. She looked professional and presidential, while they looked like they were throwing a tantrum.

I'm not even a Hillary voter, but the optics of it are undeniable.
Well said.

allegro
10-24-2015, 12:43 AM
You can unfacepalm by touching it twice.

allegro
10-24-2015, 12:46 AM
The GOP fucked up massively and handed Hillary an 11 hour campaign commercial.

I think to the average voter, of which more than half are women, it looked like a bunch of angry middle management men yelling at a sympathetic professional woman who kept her composure. She looked professional and presidential, while they looked like they were throwing a tantrum.

I'm not even a Hillary voter, but the optics of it are undeniable.
All that bullshit about "go ahead and look at your notes" while throwing shade made my fucking blood boil, and made me want to vote for her just to spite those stupid misogynist fuckers.

GulDukat
10-24-2015, 01:25 AM
You can unfacepalm by touching it twice.
Yeah, didn't notice that. Small screen. Thanks.

allegro
10-24-2015, 01:28 AM
Yeah, didn't notice that. Small screen. Thanks.

De nada bro

elevenism
10-24-2015, 02:15 AM
Ben Carson wants to abolish medicare and medicaid. (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/ben-carson-medicare-medicaid-215055)
I don't give a shit what his proposals are in terms of replacing it. The headline is out there and the damage is done.

It has gotten to the point where he was the only candidate that i thought MIGHT have a chance of beating Trump. What Carson said scares the shit out of people, and this comes in the wake of his SUPER classy comments on the Oregon shooting. I think these two things are the last two straws.
I am predicting that Trump will get the nod. THis means i will have to eat my hat. I hope no one actually holds me to it.

The republican party is xenophobic and won't be getting the latino vote.
Also, the party is split, with all of this "freedom caucus" bullshit. Will moderate republican voters support Trump if he wins the nomination? I just don't see it happening. Furthermore, the Dems have a sheer numerical advantage in the electoral college when it comes to red vs blue states (i heard that on the news today anyway.)
I thought, that with all of the backlash over Obama's presidency, we would see this country make a hard right turn.
But it has instead slowly eased to the left.

I wish i could be more excited. The problem is that it has slowly become apparent to me that this country has evolved from a constitutional republic to an actual corporate fucking oligarchy. J (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/videos/jimmy-carter-u-s-is-an-oligarchy-with-unlimited-political-bribery-20150731)immy Carter agrees with me, as he made clear in a recent issue of rolling stone. (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/videos/jimmy-carter-u-s-is-an-oligarchy-with-unlimited-political-bribery-20150731)

I thought that Obama would bring real change to this country. I really, truly did. I honestly SOBBED when he was inaugurated. But to me it looks like he is beholden to the same corporate interests as Dubya was, and Hillary will bring more of the same.

We need campaign finance reform. We need REAL universal healthcare. We need to rejuvenate the middle class. We need to stop with the fucking domestic spying. We need REAL change.

I would bet quite a bit of money that, barring some massive natural disaster or terror attack, Hillary Clinton will CERTAINLY be the next president of the United States.
But for me, it's a hollow victory.

Wolfkiller
10-24-2015, 02:41 AM
Bernie was in a theater here tonight and I knew nothing about it until it was too late. That's what happens when you delete your facebook.

allegro
10-24-2015, 10:01 AM
I thought that Obama would bring real change to this country. I really, truly did. I honestly SOBBED when he was inaugurated. But to me it looks like he is beholden to the same corporate interests as Dubya was, and Hillary will bring more of the same.

We need campaign finance reform. We need REAL universal healthcare. We need to rejuvenate the middle class. We need to stop with the fucking domestic spying. We need REAL change.

The President doesn't control everything. The Presidential election isn't the Big Kahuna that people think it is. The oligarchy is controlled by CONGRESS. People have to get WAY more involved in Congressional elections and get those Tea Party and uncooperative assholes out of there. Congresspeople come out as MILLIONAIRES from all their new affiliations and investments. Congress should represent WE, THE PEOPLE, and not be controlled by lobbyists from companies like Monsanto.

Unfortunately, most people don't even know who their Senators are or the name of their Representative.

GulDukat
10-24-2015, 12:11 PM
I always thought Obama would be a middle-of-the-road Democratic president, so I never felt let down.

Dra508
10-25-2015, 11:48 AM
All that bullshit about "go ahead and look at your notes" while throwing shade made my fucking blood boil, and made me want to vote for her just to spite those stupid misogynist fuckers.

I haven't had a chance to see even the highlights of the eleven hours, but what I've read and even the memes that have come out, it was pretty naive of that committee to think they could break Hillary (remember Tammy Wynette). Like anyone with more years of interviewing, testifying, and plenty of media consultants at her disposal. Clinton is arrogant, but not stupid. I had no desire to vote for her last time, but now I thinking about all the things she has done since then. Even having Bernie Sanders up here hammering away at real issues. She has only done things to improve her self and her ability to lead. I much prefer this process than her just getting blessed by the party, giving voters little choice. Now if she could just keep Bubba quiet just a little while longer, she could leverage this win into the elections.

allegro
10-25-2015, 11:54 AM
Now if she could just keep Bubba quiet just a little while longer, she could leverage this win into the elections.
Actually, the times I've seen Bubba interviewed recently, he should be stumping MORE for her!

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/09/26/exp-gps-clinton-sot-trump.cnn

Dra508
10-25-2015, 01:58 PM
Actually, the times I've seen Bubba interviewed recently, he should be stumping MORE for her!

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/09/26/exp-gps-clinton-sot-trump.cnn

I saw him on one of the late night talk shows too, he was good, but they shouldn't put him out so much that voters feel like they'd be getting him instead of her. Or maybe we should believe we've already had her [emoji6]

GulDukat
10-25-2015, 03:47 PM
I agree, Bill is an asset.

elevenism
10-26-2015, 09:14 PM
I agree, Bill is an asset.
No doubt.
And think about it. These two are apparently still close, so they will presumably be sharing a bed.
I can just imagine them talking policy issues into the wee hours. So in a way, we will be getting BOTH of them.

Now if i can just warm up to Hillary. Something about her just doesn't seem right.
But, as always, i will proudly endorse her, as i am a yellow dog democrat.

allegro
10-27-2015, 12:05 AM
No doubt.
And think about it. These two are apparently still close, so they will presumably be sharing a bed.
I can just imagine them talking policy issues into the wee hours. So in a way, we will be getting BOTH of them.
We meant *campaign* asset.

I think Bill zonks out at 9. He looks like he can barely make it to the News.

And this job will be HER gig, not his.

But, for her campaign, Bill is eloquent and is very good at analysis (like above his summation of Trump's brilliant branding ability).

allegro
10-28-2015, 01:16 AM
Now if i can just warm up to Hillary. Something about her just doesn't seem right.
She's establishment. Business as usual. Zero change.

G and I had dinner and saw a show with an old friend tonight, our favorite revolutionary, I love spending time with him, he always brings us back to reality: The Dems and Repubs haven't been that much different from each other, save for a few social issues, for many years, and the Dems have leaned way right for decades, and the whole Dem/Repub fighting thing is a ruse designed as slight-of-hand so that we don't pay attn to both parties taking millions from lobbyists. (Hillary's main campaign strategist worked as a lobbyist for Monsanto.) Real revolutionaries do not vote for two party candidates, this "lesser of two evils" concept. Real change will come when people stop giving the two parties power (oligarchy).

Deepvoid
10-28-2015, 08:48 AM
I may have asked that question before but would you guys be better off with Carson?
If I had to pick between Trump and Carson, I would pick Trump in a heartbeat.

Piko
10-28-2015, 09:44 AM
I may have asked that question before but would you guys be better off with Carson?
If I had to pick between Trump and Carson, I would pick Trump in a heartbeat.

Trump. The things Carson says is a little much. I'm not sure he even believes the things he says.

onthewall2983
10-28-2015, 02:05 PM
I wonder if Trump slipping in the polls has anything to do with what he said about GWB and 9/11. A lot of the people he's speaking to when he says that likely elected (and more importantly re-elected) him to office.

allegro
10-28-2015, 02:31 PM
I wonder if Trump slipping in the polls has anything to do with what he said about GWB and 9/11. A lot of the people he's speaking to when he says that likely elected (and more importantly re-elected) him to office.

Nah, Bush left office with one of the worst ratings in history. And it just depends on WHICH poll. This combination still has Trump clearly in the lead (http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-gop-primary).

GulDukat
10-29-2015, 09:52 AM
We meant *campaign* asset.

I think Bill zonks out at 9. He looks like he can barely make it to the News.

And this job will be HER gig, not his.

But, for her campaign, Bill is eloquent and is very good at analysis (like above his summation of Trump's brilliant branding ability).

If Hillary is the next president, it will be her gig, and won't be a sort of co-presidency. That said, he will surely be in her inner-circle and one of her most trusted advisors.

RE: Last night's debate. I didn't bother watching it, two was enough. The pundits are saying Bush was terrible and Rubio did a great job. I wouldn't be surprised if Rubio is their nominee, tbh. Do they really want Carson or Trump?

elevenism
10-29-2015, 10:01 AM
She's establishment. Business as usual. Zero change.

The Dems and Repubs haven't been that much different from each other, save for a few social issues, for many years, and the Dems have leaned way right for decades, and the whole Dem/Repub fighting thing is a ruse designed as slight-of-hand so that we don't pay attn to both parties taking millions from lobbyists.

So, so true allegro . I'm not trying to take away from these issues...BUT-they divide us with things like gay marriage and abortion, while on the MASSIVE issues, the TRILLION DOLLAR issues, it's all the same.
(oligarchy)
But as i've often said, politics is kind of like pro wrestling, and i really enjoy watching the fight. So the dem candidate is hulk hogan and the gop is running the iron sheik, and i root for hulk-even though i know that Terry and Hossein are gonna have a beer together after the match.

elevenism
10-29-2015, 10:12 AM
If Hillary is the next president, it will be her gig, and won't be a sort of co-presidency. That said, he will surely be in her inner-circle and one of her most trusted advisors.

RE: Last night's debate. I didn't bother watching it, two was enough. The pundits are saying Bush was terrible and Rubio did a great job. I wouldn't be surprised if Rubio is their nominee, tbh. Do they really want Carson or Trump?
sorry for double post, but it doesnt matter who the PARTY wants.
it's about caucuses and primaries.
at THIS point it sure looks to me like it's gonna be Carson or Trump-look at the polls of caucusgoers

GulDukat
10-29-2015, 10:29 AM
sorry for double post, but it doesnt matter who the PARTY wants.
it's about caucuses and primaries.
at THIS point it sure looks to me like it's gonna be Carson or Trump-look at the polls of caucusgoers
Right now Carson and Trump are leading in the polls, but I wonder if voters don't come to their senses before Iowa. If they go with either of those two, it's over, Hillary WILL be the next president. A Kasich/Rubio or a Rubio/Kasich ticket would be far more competitive. They would have a real chance of winning Ohio and Florida.

elevenism
10-29-2015, 10:40 AM
RhettButler , that's why i said the other day that i feel like it IS over.
They ARE gonna pick trumpv(or maybe carson) and Hillary wins.

GulDukat
10-29-2015, 10:58 AM
@RhettButler (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=3921) , that's why i said the other day that i feel like it IS over.
They ARE gonna pick trumpv(or maybe carson) and Hillary wins.
I hope you're right, but we'll see.

Sarah K
10-29-2015, 11:12 AM
Who the fuck chose those awful moderators last night?

allegro
10-29-2015, 03:32 PM
RhettButler , that's why i said the other day that i feel like it IS over.
They ARE gonna pick trumpv(or maybe carson) and Hillary wins.

I hope it's Trump. As goofy as he is, at least he's entertaining.

And he's totally WIN for me and G, tax-wise.

elevenism
10-29-2015, 08:06 PM
I hope it's Trump. As goofy as he is, at least he's entertaining.

And he's totally WIN for me and G, tax-wise.
whoa whoa whoa goddamn allegro ...
you want trump for PRESIDENT now?
i hope he's the candidate too, but when you start talking about tax policy...

As for me, there's something i like about "JEB!"
idk what it is, but the cat actually seems genuine to me somehow.

On another note, i fear a war with russia. So as much as i want REAL change, if we are gonna fight WW3, i suddenly DO want an establishment candidate.

allegro
10-29-2015, 09:02 PM
whoa whoa whoa goddamn allegro ...
you want trump for PRESIDENT now?
I only said WE (me and G) would totally benefit, tax-wise (Trump would eliminate the AMT).

And Trump is giving the Repubs SO MUCH SHIT, it's fun watching it all. He has NOTHING to lose, so he can say exactly what he believes is the truth and he does not give one fuck about a contributor or donation or any of that shit, and it is oddly refreshing for that kind of "outsider" even though he is still totally big business. He shoots from the lip but is beholden to no Party.

But I don't tell anybody who I vote for; that is private information, the reason why we go into private voting booths.

But, btw, Hillary is more of a war monger than you want, and Russia has zero interest in invading us; they are too broke to invade us. Russia is going to go broke fighting in Syria (and Putin SHOULD control Syria; that shit's a lot closer to him than it is to us).

Jeb does seem like a nice genuine guy, I agree, but he appears to be too nice to win the Repub nom at this point.

DigitalChaos
10-31-2015, 12:07 AM
I've been seeing a LOT of dem voters say that they want Sanders, but if it comes down to Hillary vs Trump... they will vote Trump. Kinda crazy considering how the media frames his character, but many are talking about some of his policy approach being attractive. I haven't given Trump any attention so I have no idea what they are referring to.

Hell, many are really liking his stance on campaign funding. Too bad none of them paid any attention to Lawrence Lessig who was trying to get in the dem debates.

allegro
10-31-2015, 01:27 AM
I've been seeing a LOT of dem voters say that they want Sanders, but if it comes down to Hillary vs Trump... they will vote Trump. Kinda crazy considering how the media frames his character, but many are talking about some of his policy approach being attractive. I haven't given Trump any attention so I have no idea what they are referring to.

Hell, many are really liking his stance on campaign funding. Too bad none of them paid any attention to Lawrence Lessig who was trying to get in the dem debates.

Yeah, well, the so-called progressives aren't mentioning Jill Stein (http://www.jill2016.com/), either, but whatever. Typical two-party brainwashed bullshit.

And Larry Lessig's campaign demise is due to his not connecting to sources like reddit to spark a grassroots movement of small donations that leads to tons of cash and bigger poll numbers and followers, like Sanders. Bernie doesn't need a god damned Dem debate; his followers have seen Bernie debating people for over a year, already. Bernie is a YouTube sensation. Meanwhile nobody but Citizens United followers know who Larry is. You don't get to be President based on one issue.

Look at how a certain unknown Harvard Law grad and a grassroots Internet movement of $10 and $20 donations back in '07 led to that guy in the White House right now. By the time the debates rolled around, he was already the top contender.

I also love how Cantor lost in VA after spending over $5 million and the guy who won had a $200,000 budget (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/2014-virginia-primary-big-money-eric-cantor-107699).


"According to the last campaign finance report, Cantor had raised nearly $5.5 million, of which he spent over $5 million. In contrast, Brat, who had spent $122,000, had raised a total of $206,663. Brat also missed out on the support of outside groups after flaking on meetings with influential Washington conservatives whose support he was hoping to enlist." — The Daily Beast

emptydesk
10-31-2015, 05:28 AM
Trump is not a player in the end game. He will bow out, for whatever reason. The goal for him was to run, not to win.

Let's start dealing with the reality post-Trump, because he never cared about anybody and he's done.

GulDukat
10-31-2015, 06:37 AM
I've been seeing a LOT of dem voters say that they want Sanders, but if it comes down to Hillary vs Trump...will vote Trump.
Seems highly improbable. Do you have any links to any articles that backs up that claim?

Dra508
10-31-2015, 10:51 AM
I've heard Repub voters say they don't like any of the 10+ candidates, including Trump. Makes Sanders look like a viable option for them.

As for Trump saying he'd get rid of the AMT, I call
BS. He can say he'd fight for that if he got into office, but then when he sees the #s if we changed it, he'd stop trying. Kills me some years too. Freaking Nixon put that in place and I don't know, I haven't done my taxes myself in years but it is hitting way more people the originally intended. Well maybe if Trump and Ryan worked together hmmmmm. Nah, they'd rather cut social programs because they don't care about taking care of people, that's for the weak. :/

DigitalChaos
10-31-2015, 02:39 PM
You don't get to be President based on one issue.
No, but you can get to have a voice in the debates. That's what quite a few of the candidates have been doing.

allegro
10-31-2015, 03:45 PM
No, but you can get to have a voice in the debates. That's what quite a few of the candidates have been doing.
There has only been ONE Democratic debate so far, and two noms dropped out after that.

DigitalChaos
11-01-2015, 01:28 PM
Sanders loves to compare his "socialist" ideals alongside countries like Denmark.

Denmark's Prime Minister calls this out with "we aren't socialist, we are far from it. We are a market economy." and "we have a large amount of welfare, but we are a market economy"
http://www.vox.com/2015/10/31/9650030/denmark-prime-minister-bernie-sanders



this just in: nearly everyone in the US has no idea what socialism is! I'd like to now link back to my post about Sanders' horrible grasp of economics. :)

elevenism
11-01-2015, 02:47 PM
Trump is not a player in the end game. He will bow out, for whatever reason. The goal for him was to run, not to win.

Let's start dealing with the reality post-Trump, because he never cared about anybody and he's done.
The "goal?" Please elaborate. I THINK i know where you're going with this....

Deepvoid
11-03-2015, 02:29 PM
Trump now leads only by 1.3% nationwide according to RCP. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html)

It's quite unbelievable that one else has dropped from the race. There's a least 4 candidates that should drop now. Jindal, Pataki, Santorum and Graham.

elevenism
11-03-2015, 02:36 PM
Trump now leads only by 1.3% nationwide according to RCP. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html)

It's quite unbelievable that one else has dropped from the race. There's a least 4 candidates that should drop now. Jindal, Pataki, Santorum and Graham.

some of these candidates are thinking about how early it is. They think there is still a chance for the deck to be "reshuffled."
And they might be right-who knows?
But i certainly agree that those 4 should bow out.

Piko
11-03-2015, 02:38 PM
Jindal doesn't stand a chance. The second his track record comes out on how poorly he's run louisiana, he's done. Failed, and ran the state into the ground. So, if you failed one state, why not try and manage 51?

allegro
11-03-2015, 03:18 PM
Trump now leads only by 1.3% nationwide according to RCP. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html)

HuffPo's collection has a little wider spread (http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-gop-primary)

Timinator
11-03-2015, 03:19 PM
Frankie Boyle makes me laugh. (http://gu.com/p/4dpka)

Timinator
11-03-2015, 08:06 PM
And Trump would be a better outcome than that anti-knowledge advocate Carson (http://billmoyers.com/2015/10/29/the-gop-and-the-rise-of-anti-knowledge/).

Deepvoid
11-04-2015, 08:51 AM
Bush also needs to quit. Jindal is in front of him in Iowa. That's got to be embarrassing.

tony.parente
11-04-2015, 01:59 PM
I just got invited to a Donald trump rally on Monday and I'm devastated I can't go.
God dammit

elevenism
11-05-2015, 04:46 AM
wow. i thought this was a joke at first.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/04/politics/donald-trump-jeb-bush-tweet/

Trump tweeted some pretty racist shit featuring jeb in a sombrero. Keep in mind that Jeb's wife is Mexican.
Granted, it was a "retweet," but good god, isn't someone paying attention to this shit?

This makes me so sick, and this is the third time i've had to edit this post to temper my disgust.

Just...ughhhh.

allegro
11-05-2015, 09:06 AM
I guess he or somebody in his camp retweets anything and everything that somebody tweets with Trump's twitter address mentioned, and he did this himself but didn't look at the image that was attached to the tweet. I believe it, because he is not THAT stupid to intentionally re-tweet something this fucking dumb.

If you are THAT disgusted, you must not hang out on twitter. The place is a cesspool, it's only rivaled by the comments on YouTube.

Remember, Trump has been married several times and only one of the wives was born in the U.S.

cynicmuse
11-06-2015, 06:32 AM
The number of Republicans in the upcoming debate has decreased by two (http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/05/media/fox-business-debate-line-up/index.html). Pataki and Graham are out of the cocktail hour because they didn't meet the 1% threshold. Huckabee and Christie will join Jindal and Santorum for the cocktail hour debate. Hopefully there will be more of debate with eight on the stage instead of ten. They also can't accuse Fox Business of "liberal media bias".

Deepvoid
11-06-2015, 01:33 PM
Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship story. (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598)

Is this the end of Carson?

aggroculture
11-06-2015, 08:44 PM
http://boingboing.net/2015/11/06/republican-debate-with-all-the.html

elevenism
11-06-2015, 10:11 PM
Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship story. (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598)

Is this the end of Carson?

i don't think so

Khrz
11-07-2015, 07:13 AM
Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship story. (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598)

Is this the end of Carson?

Yeah I'm with elevenism on that one. The people behind the guy support him for his mentality, the very few people who will drop out because of his dishonesty are negligible.
At this point, people will only quit supporting a candidate if a major incident makes them nonviable and unredeemable. Think serial murder, child porn or divorce. Being a lying sack of shit isn't a problem, you can always tweak the narrative around it, which is exactly what's happening with Carson right now.

allegro
11-07-2015, 12:18 PM
Trump is hosting SNL tonight (11/7).


https://youtu.be/ehIiDTDzENY

elevenism
11-07-2015, 03:16 PM
Trump is hosting SNL tonight (11/7).


https://youtu.be/ehIiDTDzENY

bad ass. i hate to admit it, but i can't get enough of watching trump.
I honestly wish he was a radical dem.
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GulDukat
11-07-2015, 04:10 PM
From the home of Ben Carson:
http://i1.wp.com/www.addictinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/CarsonJesus.jpg?resize=630%2C358

Yup, Dr. Ben Carson has a picture of himself with Jesus Christ.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/11/07/photos-reveal-ben-carsons-house-is-a-creepy-museum-dedicated-to-himself-images/

elevenism
11-07-2015, 05:34 PM
From the home of Ben Carson:
http://i1.wp.com/www.addictinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/CarsonJesus.jpg?resize=630%2C358

Yup, Dr. Ben Carson has a picture of himself with Jesus Christ.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/11/07/photos-reveal-ben-carsons-house-is-a-creepy-museum-dedicated-to-himself-images/

Wow. His home is a museum on the subject of Ben Carson.
That's REALLY strange.

Of course, if i ever run into Yeshua himself, i will probably get a selfie too.

Khrz
11-07-2015, 05:39 PM
Okay but why were they portrayed in a SPA ?

allegro
11-07-2015, 08:08 PM
Carson thinks the pyramids were built by Joseph as grain silos (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/05/ben-carson-believes-joseph-built-egypts-pyramids-to-store-grain-and-it-just-may-get-him-some-votes/)

(G and I laughed about this for 5 minutes)

halloween
11-07-2015, 08:34 PM
Carson thinks the pyramids were built by Joseph as grain silos (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/05/ben-carson-believes-joseph-built-egypts-pyramids-to-store-grain-and-it-just-may-get-him-some-votes/)

(G and I laughed about this for 5 minutes)

I read that headline and for sure thought it was a joke. Wow.

thevoid99
11-07-2015, 10:08 PM
Carson thinks the pyramids were built by Joseph as grain silos (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/05/ben-carson-believes-joseph-built-egypts-pyramids-to-store-grain-and-it-just-may-get-him-some-votes/)

(G and I laughed about this for 5 minutes)

I told my dad this and he laughed his ass off over how stupid Carson is.

allegro
11-07-2015, 11:30 PM
I told my dad this and he laughed his ass off over how stupid Carson is.

Haaaaaa ha ha haaaa (https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/news/ben-carson-mocked-mercilessly-twitter-bizarre-theory-egyptian-005638789.html)

Sarah K
11-07-2015, 11:53 PM
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12227828_494897604029231_4078514230469242858_n.jpg ?oh=85dd6d0e32c0195472f8a722f7437c3e&oe=56C0D145

allegro
11-08-2015, 01:02 AM
An appearance tonight on SNL by Trump's beautiful and talented daughter, Ivanka.

https://instagram.com/p/9z-JGuCkE9/

thevoid99
11-08-2015, 01:07 AM
I heard the episode was terrible and the one person that saved it was Larry David who called Trump a racist.

Piko
11-08-2015, 01:40 AM
Aside from Larry David, the show sucked.

allegro
11-08-2015, 02:08 AM
I heard the episode was terrible and the one person that saved it was Larry David who called Trump a racist.
Sadly, all SNL shows suck, now. Their writing is terrible. The Drake skit had me dying laughing, though.

GulDukat
11-08-2015, 08:45 AM
Sadly, all SNL shows suck, now. Their writing is terrible. The Drake skit had me dying laughing, though.
SNL is VERY hit-or-miss. Most of it is shit, but once in a while there is a great skit. The show peaked in the early 90's, imho.

Piko
11-08-2015, 10:29 AM
SNL is VERY hit-or-miss. Most of it is shit, but once in a while there is a great skit. The show peaked in the early 90's, imho.

This. And when they finally do something right, they usually run the joke into the ground.

allegro
11-08-2015, 02:34 PM
Here's the one I was talking about:

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/watch-donald-trump-dance-to-drakes-hotline-bling-in-snl-spoof-20151108

thevoid99
11-08-2015, 03:27 PM
Here's the one I was talking about:

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/watch-donald-trump-dance-to-drakes-hotline-bling-in-snl-spoof-20151108

That was the sketch.... that was supposed to be funny?

http://memesvault.com/wp-content/uploads/Double-Facepalm-Meme-03.jpg

allegro
11-08-2015, 08:41 PM
That was the sketch.... that was supposed to be funny?

http://memesvault.com/wp-content/uploads/Double-Facepalm-Meme-03.jpg

Heh. Have you SEEN Drake dance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxpDa-c-4Mc) in that video??

Compared to the rest of the show, that was the only funny bit. The rest was stupid. The writers should be set of fire.

And, no, Larry David wasn't funny. The "racist" comment was followed by "they paid me 5 thousand dollars to say that" so it wasn't funny. The ONLY Larry David line that made me laugh was during his Bernie Sanders bit, and he said "I got 50% of the black vote in Vermont. His name was Marcus."

onthewall2983
11-10-2015, 12:03 AM
https://twitter.com/Seinfeld2000/status/663398271205965824

halloween
11-10-2015, 06:14 AM
I had a dream last night that Bernie Sanders dropped out the race then said something about "never having felt so humiliated in his life." I'm glad it was just a dream.

DigitalChaos
11-10-2015, 02:49 PM
Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship story. (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598)

Is this the end of Carson?

This is the kind of stuff that Brian Williams could make tons of money for. Just branch off into a division of the Onion and write articles every time someone gets caught lying. "My Name is Brian Williams and I was Ben Carson's roommate at West Point" etc.

Deepvoid
11-10-2015, 03:36 PM
This is the kind of stuff that Brian Williams could make tons of money for. Just branch off into a division of the Onion and write articles every time someone gets caught lying. "My Name is Brian Williams and I was Ben Carson's roommate at West Point" etc.

Politico amended their original story.
Carson camp is nitpicking at the terms used. At that point, I don't really care anymore.
We've already moved to the next scandal .... the Starbucks War on Christmas!

cynicmuse
11-10-2015, 08:23 PM
The debate moderators now have a buzzer that they ring when someone goes over. I caught the tail end of the cocktail hour debate and they were once again refusing to answer the questions asked, occasionally en mass. It seemed like the cafeteria food fight, round 7.

aggroculture
11-10-2015, 10:36 PM
I had a dream last night that Bernie Sanders dropped out the race then said something about "never having felt so humiliated in his life." I'm glad it was just a dream.

Last week I dreamed that Trump was sentenced to 90 years in jail for financial crimes. Hillary's response was: I feel lonely now.

elevenism
11-11-2015, 07:16 PM
i'm getting ready to watch last night's debate.
It's funny that as a yellow dog dem, i get WAY more excited about the republican debates.
THis time it's mostly about trump. Last time it was Ron Paul.

Also, we all know Hillary's getting the nomination., so it's less exciting.

cynicmuse
11-14-2015, 11:19 PM
It's nice to have a debate where the moderators don't treat the candidates with kid gloves. I don't understand what the Republicans think will happen next fall when their candidate has to debate a Democrat. O'Malley took a swipe at Trump, though Obama called him a sideshow and carnival barker first. Both descriptions seemed apt after Trump's remarks (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/14/donald-trump-says-tough-gun-control-laws-in-paris-contributed-to-tragedy/) on the attack in Paris. I think that Clinton made a miss-step when she tried to explain away some of her support for Wall Street as part of her response to rebuild NYC after 9/11.

DigitalChaos
11-15-2015, 06:22 PM
i'm getting ready to watch last night's debate.
It's funny that as a yellow dog dem, i get WAY more excited about the republican debates.
THis time it's mostly about trump. Last time it was Ron Paul.

Also, we all know Hillary's getting the nomination., so it's less exciting.

I was told that Rand Paul did some good shit during the last debate. I might have to watch.


But hey, how about Hillary using "women and 9/11" to justify her ties to Wall St? :)


Yellow dog dems don't really have a lot of overlap with the current Dem candidates... so maybe that's why you aren't as excited.

allegro
11-16-2015, 03:30 PM
I thought this Chicago Tribune Opinion piece in yesterday's Sunday paper was really interesting (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/ct-hillary-clinton-barack-obama-bernie-sanders-john-kerry-1115-20151113-column.html). I'll quote it, in case it ends up behind a paywall:


Column: Hillary Clinton's appetite for war; If Hillary wins, Americans can expect many more years of war.
by Steve Chapman, Contact Reporter

The United States has been at war every day since October 2001, when we invaded Afghanistan after the 9/11 attacks. Never in our history have we engaged in hostilities abroad without interruption for so long. But if Americans are weary of it, you can't tell it from our politics.

If they were, Republicans would not be vying to show their willingness to use force against Russia or Syria or Islamic State. More pertinent still, Hillary Clinton would not be the front-runner for the Democratic nomination. Democrats were proud to nominate Barack Obama in 2008 on the strength of his opposition to the Iraq War. But anti-war credentials no longer count for anything in Obama's party.

The president himself is partly to blame, having inured his followers to the notion that the United States can't extricate itself from foreign conflicts (see: Afghanistan). But Obama has also refused to be panicked into reckless military action against Syria, Russia or Iran. Compared with what his critics demand, his steps against Islamic State have been cautious and small-scale.

Obama has been willing to brave criticism for alleged weakness, appeasement and isolationism. As Harvard scholar Stephen Walt wrote for Foreign Policy, he has shown "an appreciation not just of the limits of U.S. power, but also of the limited need to exercise it."

No such restraint can be expected of Clinton. As secretary of state, she pressed for what turned out to be one of Obama's biggest mistakes: the air war against Moammar Gadhafi in Libya, which led to the chaos that has engulfed the country.

She met resistance from then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who told Obama, "I don't think we ought to take on another war" and considered resigning over the decision to intervene.

Back when that intervention looked good, her emails reveal, she was eager to ensure that she got credit. Lately, though, the left-wing In These Times noted, "Clinton has tended to lay the decision to go into Libya squarely at Obama's feet." Admitting she was wrong? That's not happening.

Her hawkish approach has been consistent. Clinton was far less committed than Obama to reaching a nuclear deal with Iran — which was ultimately concluded by her successor, John Kerry. She advocated a bigger surge of troops in Afghanistan in 2009 than Obama finally authorized.

After leaving the State Department, she criticized Obama for not doing more to help the rebels in Syria. She also derided the administration's informal foreign policy motto. "Great nations need organizing principles," she insisted, "and 'don't do stupid stuff' is not an organizing principle."

In his 2014 book "Maximalist: America in the World From Truman to Obama," Columbia University professor Stephen Sestanovich (an adviser to Presidents Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton) wrote, approvingly, "Of all those who shaped the Obama administration's international strategy, the secretary of state was most comfortable with the precepts of a traditional maximalism."

Obama's first instinct is to steer clear of foreign conflicts. He can be persuaded to step in, but he needs a good reason. Clinton's first instinct is to intervene, whether through air power or ground troops or weapons. That is often her second and third instinct too.

Obama sees no compelling reason for the U.S. to remain at war indefinitely. Clinton sees no grounds not to. Her basic approach has a lot in common with that of George W. Bush.

It's a measure of how accustomed Americans are to ceaseless war that this worldview is not a liability in the Democratic presidential contest. Both Sen. Bernie Sanders, who voted against the Iraq War, and Martin O'Malley have criticized Clinton for supporting it. How has that line of attack gone down with the party's rank and file? No. One. Cares.

Either most Democrats are comfortable with her approach or they have concluded that more war is inevitable no matter who occupies the White House. That's a radical change from 2008, when Iraq was the defining issue between Clinton and Obama.

The president has drawn some powerful lessons from Iraq and elsewhere about the costs of war, the perils of plunging into places we don't understand and our modest capacity to shape outcomes in foreign crises.

Clinton has not drawn those lessons. She stated a very different credo in 2010, referring to America's role in the world: "We do believe there are no limits on what is possible or what can be achieved."

How long will we be at war if she becomes president? "No limits" is what I heard.

See also this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDn0aGF-i7o

onthewall2983
11-16-2015, 11:53 PM
If the candidates were WWE champions (https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/3t308y/if_the_presidential_candidates_were_wwe_champions/)

DigitalChaos
11-17-2015, 01:48 AM
I thought this Chicago Tribune Opinion piece in yesterday's Sunday paper was really interesting (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/ct-hillary-clinton-barack-obama-bernie-sanders-john-kerry-1115-20151113-column.html). I'll quote it, in case it ends up behind a paywall:



See also this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDn0aGF-i7o

I want to say that all Dems, especially Hillary supports, need to see this... but it won't matter. This quote by Nate Silver about her 9/11 comment sums it up:
"Clinton’s response to that Twitter question on the strange linkage she drew between Wall Street and 9/11 made very little sense, and yet the crowd in Iowa cheered it. Democrats should remember that the next time they jibe a Republican debate audience for cheering a nonsensical applause line from Donald Trump or Ben Carson."

DigitalChaos
11-17-2015, 01:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq2g6UhLbb0

DigitalChaos
11-17-2015, 02:12 AM
Check out this bit from Elizabeth Warren talking about working with Hillary to get a bankruptcy bill (supported heavily by the credit industry) vetoed when she was the first lady. Buuuut when she became Senator, she pushed that bill through.


Sanders called Hillary out for her ties to Wall St. Hillary nonsensically dismissed it. This video (among many other things) proves how right Sanders is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12mJ-U76nfg

allegro
11-18-2015, 12:29 AM
Bobby Jindal is out.

Deepvoid
11-23-2015, 10:31 AM
Trump says the darnest thing. From his claim that Muslims in New Jersey were cheering when the towers collapsed to his comment about the Alabama heckler who deserved a beating.
Not only is he getting away with everything but the people who are supporting him are believing every words that are coming out of his mouth. I think this is dangerous.
He is creating an army of racists, bigots and intolerant people.

allegro
11-23-2015, 11:25 AM
Trump says the darnest thing. From his claim that Muslims in New Jersey were cheering when the towers collapsed to his comment about the Alabama heckler who deserved a beating.
Not only is he getting away with everything but the people who are supporting him are believing every words that are coming out of his mouth. I think this is dangerous.
He is creating an army of racists, bigots and intolerant people.

No, he is not creating an army of those people, those people already exist and his current schtick is that he aims to appeal to those people (he used to be a flaming liberal before the top of his Bucket List became Get Elected President); but the majority of voters in this country are the opposite of those people, and that's why he can't win unless he stops saying that kind of stupid shit. But he has foot-in-mouth disease.

Deepvoid
11-23-2015, 11:53 AM
No, he is not creating an army of those people, those people already exist and his current schtick is that he aims to appeal to those people (he used to be a flaming liberal before the top of his Bucket List became Get Elected President); but the majority of voters in this country are the opposite of those people, and that's why he can't win unless he stops saying that kind of stupid shit. But he has foot-in-mouth disease.

But he's enabling those people.
I agree that they already existed but they were not as vocal because it was not "PC" to say those things. Now that Trump has thrown a wrench into the whole "PC" thing, these people think it's awesome to beat up a heckler or call a Mexican a rapist because it has Trump's seal of approval.
That's why I think the path he's leading, is a dangerous one.

I used to think it'd be funny to see what would happen under a Trump presidency. Not so much now.

allegro
11-23-2015, 01:05 PM
But he's enabling those people.
I agree that they already existed but they were not as vocal because it was not "PC" to say those things. Now that Trump has thrown a wrench into the whole "PC" thing, these people think it's awesome to beat up a heckler or call a Mexican a rapist because it has Trump's seal of approval.
That's why I think the path he's leading, is a dangerous one.

I used to think it'd be funny to see what would happen under a Trump presidency. Not so much now.
It's still not PC to say those things. Even other Republican candidates are saying he's full of shit. He's appealing to crazy hillbillies, xenophobes, etc. He's basically digging his own grave by not giving a shit when his fans beat up a heckler. Look up George Wallace, Trump is a hell of a lot less "dangerous" than a whole SHITLOAD of other candidates in America's history, dude.

And he ain't gonna win when he says this kind of unconstitutional anti-Muslim shit. We may be a country full of nut jobs, but we really value our Constitution and freedom of religion and right to privacy.

I'll say one thing; he's making a lot of people wish they would have let Romney back into the race, LOL.

In the end, it's probably gonna be Rubio, anyway.

allegro
11-23-2015, 02:51 PM
Bernie Sanders' 404 Page? Awesome (https://berniesanders.com/404)

Hillary Clinton's 404 Page? Ugh (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/404)

Marco Rubio's 404 Page? Pretty good (https://marcorubio.com/404)

Chris Christie's 404 Page? A little LARGE, but good (https://www.chrischristie.com/404)

thevoid99
11-23-2015, 03:42 PM
Trump says the darnest thing. From his claim that Muslims in New Jersey were cheering when the towers collapsed to his comment about the Alabama heckler who deserved a beating.
Not only is he getting away with everything but the people who are supporting him are believing every words that are coming out of his mouth. I think this is dangerous.
He is creating an army of racists, bigots and intolerant people.

This shit is wrong. It's as if he's appealing to the lowest common denominator. He is a fucking asshole and it's more likely that if he becomes President, not only will the country be fucked but it will allow all of our enemies the chance to strike at us hard.

allegro
11-23-2015, 03:47 PM
This shit is wrong. It's as if he's appealing to the lowest common denominator. He is a fucking asshole and it's more likely that if he becomes President, not only will the country be fucked but it will allow all of our enemies the chance to strike at us hard.

The sad thing is, this country is FULL OF these kinds of idiots, and it's the common denominator. Remember, during Reagan and the "Moral Majority?" (Wait, you may not actually remember that, LOL.) So "moral" that they basically hated everybody else except their own White Evangelicals?

thevoid99
11-23-2015, 03:52 PM
The sad thing is, this country is FULL OF these kinds of idiots, and it's the common denominator. Remember, during Reagan and the "Moral Majority?" (Wait, you may not actually remember that, LOL.) So "moral" that they basically hated everybody else except their own White Evangelicals?

I probably don't remember that. Then again, I was just a child during Ronald Reagan's term as President but my dad at least had a stable job during that time working as an architect. It was during George H.W. Bush where the company he worked for folded and he got laid off.

allegro
11-23-2015, 04:07 PM
Let's not get ahead of ourselves worrying. I still think that Trump is deliberately making the Republican election a circus and has ZERO intention of winning. Ivanka Trump (a converted religious Orthodox Jew, her husband is very religious, she is pregnant with her 3rd child) is REALLY GOOD FRIENDS with CHELSEA CLINTON (http://www.people.com/article/chelsea-clinton-ivanka-trump-friendship-parents-rivalry) (also married to a Jewish guy, although Chelsea didn't convert). Trump's suddenly converting from uber Liberal to uber stupid right-wing Conservative trying to court Evangelicals makes ZERO sense ... people who really know him, including his family, say he's not THAT big of a mean-spirited dick. So something smells fishy.

allegro
11-23-2015, 04:10 PM
I probably don't remember that. Then again, I was just a child during Ronald Reagan's term as President but my dad at least had a stable job during that time working as an architect. It was during George H.W. Bush where the company he worked for folded and he got laid off.

i was laid off, twice, during the Reagan years. My uncle, who worked for the Big 3 in Detroit, was laid off, and the auto industry took the shitter during the Reagan years (http://www.nytimes.com/1981/12/05/us/a-surge-in-layoffs-lifts-jobless-rate-to-a-six-year-high.html).

See also this (early-80s, over 30,000 jobs):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-sD6boQfvk

Chrysler was facing bankruptcy in the Reagan years until Lee Iacocca was brought in from Ford and saved Chrysler with the K Car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nppKMomMP-4

See also this (http://www.pewresearch.org/2010/12/14/reagans-recession/).

In the October of 1981, mortgage interest rates were 18.5% (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/just-explain-it/why-mortgage-rates-matter-152241574.html).

onthewall2983
11-23-2015, 06:00 PM
Let's not get ahead of ourselves worrying. I still think that Trump is deliberately making the Republican election a circus and has ZERO intention of winning. Ivanka Trump (a converted religious Orthodox Jew, her husband is very religious, she is pregnant with her 3rd child) is REALLY GOOD FRIENDS with CHELSEA CLINTON (http://www.people.com/article/chelsea-clinton-ivanka-trump-friendship-parents-rivalry) (also married to a Jewish guy, although Chelsea didn't convert). Trump's suddenly converting from uber Liberal to uber stupid right-wing Conservative trying to court Evangelicals makes ZERO sense ... people who really know him, including his family, say he's not THAT big of a mean-spirited dick. So something smells fishy.

Part of me really thinks this is some long con, using this campaign to set out and destroy the GOP. And now that he's hinting that he might run independently makes me think that even much more so.

hellospaceboy
11-23-2015, 09:23 PM
Let's not get ahead of ourselves worrying. I still think that Trump is deliberately making the Republican election a circus and has ZERO intention of winning. Ivanka Trump (a converted religious Orthodox Jew, her husband is very religious, she is pregnant with her 3rd child) is REALLY GOOD FRIENDS with CHELSEA CLINTON (http://www.people.com/article/chelsea-clinton-ivanka-trump-friendship-parents-rivalry) (also married to a Jewish guy, although Chelsea didn't convert). Trump's suddenly converting from uber Liberal to uber stupid right-wing Conservative trying to court Evangelicals makes ZERO sense ... people who really know him, including his family, say he's not THAT big of a mean-spirited dick. So something smells fishy.
I really hope you're right, but I feel like the joke's gone too far!
I am really nervous that he makes the otherwise shitty republican candidates (Ted Fuckin' Cruz anyone?!) look reasonable. I mean, 4 years ago Romney lost the election (partly) over his 47% remarks, and Trump blows through degrading comments like that for breakfast and nobody bats an eye anymore.

allegro
11-23-2015, 11:00 PM
I really hope you're right, but I feel like the joke's gone too far!
I am really nervous that he makes the otherwise shitty republican candidates (Ted Fuckin' Cruz anyone?!) look reasonable. I mean, 4 years ago Romney lost the election (partly) over his 47% remarks, and Trump blows through degrading comments like that for breakfast and nobody bats an eye anymore.

We haven't had a PRIMARY yet, let alone an ELECTION. Romney did not know how bad that 47% remark bit him on the ass until election night; he'd already bought the fireworks for the victory celebration.

We still have to get to the Republican National Convention.

aggroculture
11-23-2015, 11:50 PM
i am useless at this (I NEVER would have thought that Bush would have won in 2004) but here goes:

Hillary WILL NOT WIN. EVER. Repubs hate her. Dems Hate her too.
The Republican candidate will win, if Hillary is the Dem nomination (Democrats just don't seem to care who wins and who does not).
So: if the Republican candidate is Trump, it will be President Trump.

allegro
11-24-2015, 12:28 AM
i am useless at this (I NEVER would have thought that Bush would have won in 2004) but here goes:

Hillary WILL NOT WIN. EVER. Repubs hate her. Dems Hate her too.
The Republican candidate will win, if Hillary is the Dem nomination (Democrats just don't seem to care who wins and who does not).
So: if the Republican candidate is Trump, it will be President Trump.
I don't know, I've seen interesting stats showing that more minority voters now control the election and that it's likely we will never see another Republican president until the Republicans deliberately target minority voters (Black and Hispanic) because that plus the votes from liberals, progs and young voters = majority of electoral votes.

aggroculture
11-24-2015, 12:35 AM
i saw a tv program in my hotel room today which said Cruz + Rubio = the future of the republican party, because they are hispanic...

allegro
11-24-2015, 01:04 AM
Cruz is too nuts and religious and Tea Party (and quite possibly not electable because he was born in Canada which might require a SCOTUS decision).

Just because Cruz and Rubio have Hispanic parentage does not mean either of them appeal at ALL to minority voters. Rubio, at least, has a tad better immigration policy for a Republican which makes him like some kind of commie Liberal to his own party but he isn't appealing to Latinos.

Like, just because Ben Carson is black doesn't mean black people think he's the shizzle.

elevenism
11-24-2015, 06:29 AM
Let's not get ahead of ourselves worrying. I still think that Trump is deliberately making the Republican election a circus and has ZERO intention of winning. Ivanka Trump (a converted religious Orthodox Jew, her husband is very religious, she is pregnant with her 3rd child) is REALLY GOOD FRIENDS with CHELSEA CLINTON (http://www.people.com/article/chelsea-clinton-ivanka-trump-friendship-parents-rivalry) (also married to a Jewish guy, although Chelsea didn't convert). Trump's suddenly converting from uber Liberal to uber stupid right-wing Conservative trying to court Evangelicals makes ZERO sense ... people who really know him, including his family, say he's not THAT big of a mean-spirited dick. So something smells fishy.
i agree, but have yet to bring this up because i've taken enough shit for conspiracy theories.
Trump has donated at LEAST $100,000 to the clinton's foundation and directly donated to Hilary's senate campaigns for years. He also donated to Chuck Schumer as recently as 2010.
And he had a private phone cal with bill clinton (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bill-clinton-called-donald-trump-ahead-of-republicans-2016-launch/2015/08/05/e2b30bb8-3ae3-11e5-b3ac-8a79bc44e5e2_story.html) in late spring, when he was deciding whether or not to run.
I think that his entire campaign just might be a favor to his good friends Hillary and Bill.

Deepvoid
11-24-2015, 07:25 AM
New Iowa poll (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/261154-poll-cruz-breathing-down-trumps-neck-in-iowa):

Trump 25%
Cruz 23%
Carson 18%
Rubio 13%

Trump is a gold mine of hilarious quote. He now wants an apology from the people who criticize his claim that Muslims in Jersey cheered when the towers came down.

"“I want an apology,” he tweeted (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/261118-trump-i-want-an-apology-from-my-9-11-critics). "Many people have tweeted that I am right.”"

Oh well! If many people tweeted that he's right that pretty much seals the deal.
This guys is hilarious.

allegro
11-24-2015, 09:10 AM
i agree, but have yet to bring this up because i've taken enough shit for conspiracy theories.
Trump has donated at LEAST $100,000 to the clinton's foundation and directly donated to Hilary's senate campaigns for years. He also donated to Chuck Schumer as recently as 2010.
And he had a private phone cal with bill clinton (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bill-clinton-called-donald-trump-ahead-of-republicans-2016-launch/2015/08/05/e2b30bb8-3ae3-11e5-b3ac-8a79bc44e5e2_story.html) in late spring, when he was deciding whether or not to run.
I think that his entire campaign just might be a favor to his good friends Hillary and Bill.
Everybody knows that he has donated lots of money to The Clinton Foundation; everybody knows that the Clintons attended Trump's most recent wedding; everybody knows they're pretty much still friends (see Trump's Twitter feed for video clips of Bill's albeit perhaps unintended Trump endorsements). A favor to help Hill win, possibly. It is what many suspect at this point, but it may not work. At any rate, he is making a total mess of the Republican side.

Ted Cruz scares me a HELL of a lot more than Trump.

elevenism
11-24-2015, 10:25 AM
allegro Ted Cruz sickens me. He's like some kind of goblin creature spouting nonsense, but it's dangerous nonsense.

Likewise Ben Carson (minus the goblin look.) HE started out as a fairly affable, reasonable character until he, too, started spewing insanity.

Marco Rubio strikes me as just being a right wing asshole...not quite as crazy, and i think he's actually the one with the best chance.

The only one i have an ounce of respect for is Rand Paul.

I didn't even maind "Jeb!" until he made that statement about letting in christian refugees and not muslims.

onthewall2983
11-24-2015, 10:41 AM
Carson took quite the tumble. Wasn't he tied or even above Trump in the last Iowa poll?

Deepvoid
11-24-2015, 11:51 AM
Ben Carson is apologizing (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/23/3725175/ben-carson-cheering-9-11-video/) for the 9/11 Muslims comments (he was backing Trump basically).

"Carson's campaign told ABC News (https://twitter.com/KFaulders/status/668924301953798144) on Monday that he had been thinking of celebrations in the Middle East (not New Jersey) and apologized for his earlier comments."

They are practically neighbors. Anyone could have made that mistake! lol
These guys are unbelievable.

elevenism
11-24-2015, 01:02 PM
Carson took quite the tumble. Wasn't he tied or even above Trump in the last Iowa poll?
i think i was ahead for a bit.
and i loved his movie, Gifted Hands, which i watched after his first debate performance.

but good god, he's made an ass of himself, hasn't he?

allegro
11-24-2015, 01:15 PM
i think i was ahead for a bit.
and i loved his movie, Gifted Hands, which i watched after his first debate performance.

but good god, he's made an ass of himself, hasn't he?
He IS an ass. He's a CREATIONIST!!!! He really believes all that shit! And go look up his medical history; Trump's right, he wasn't all that great. Although, really, neurosurgery is not an exact science and is highly risky. Either way, he's a Creationist. End of story.

DigitalChaos
11-24-2015, 01:48 PM
http://i.imgur.com/J7uQ11E.jpg

elevenism
11-25-2015, 09:57 AM
He IS an ass. He's a CREATIONIST!!!! He really believes all that shit! And go look up his medical history; Trump's right, he wasn't all that great. Although, really, neurosurgery is not an exact science and is highly risky. Either way, he's a Creationist. End of story.
i've been really baffled by someone with the intelligence to perform fucking BRAIN SURGERY and at the same time, believing the bible to be a history book.
I just don't get it. I guess that there are different kinds of intelligence.
But yeah he goes on and on about applying logic and reason and then...yeah.
Fucking terrifying.

elevenism
11-25-2015, 10:15 AM
https://verminsupreme2016.wordpress.com/

sorry for double post but you gotta see this.

"In New Hampshire today, a man calling himself Vermin Supreme filed for the presidential primary. He said in his administration, every American will receive a pony. He also plans to defeat ISIS by going back in time. Oh, and he wears a large boot on his head."

RIDING OUR PONIES INTO A ZOMBIE POWERED FUTURE

DF118
11-25-2015, 12:27 PM
This is a portrait Ben Carson has hanging up in his house. It's of Jesus with his hand on Ben Carson's shoulder.

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2015/news/151123/ben-carson-800.jpg

allegro
11-25-2015, 01:08 PM
This is a portrait Ben Carson has hanging up in his house. It's of Jesus with his hand on Ben Carson's shoulder.
Yeah, this made the rounds three pages ago (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/3669-2016-Presidential-Election?p=275650#post275650). That guy is a weirdo.

elevenism
11-25-2015, 01:56 PM
Is it some sort of gnostic ritual?
honestly, i think it implies that Jesus Christ himself has physically BATHED Carson.
This makes him a goddamn megalomaniac.
i identify as a Christian as you guys know, and shit like that gives us a bad name.

Sarah K
11-25-2015, 02:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIdejmGCKEs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIdejmGCKEs)

allegro
11-25-2015, 03:46 PM
i identify as a Christian as you guys know, and shit like that gives us a bad name.
oh bullshit, I'm a Christian, too, I was Christened and raised as Catholic, but that doesn't mean I lump myself in with every fucking Christian out there, that's just stupid. I mean, I don't associate myself with Kim Davis for fuck's sake. And I don't think any intelligent person lumps all Christians, all Jews, all Muslims in together.

And I don't know wtf that painting means, but whatever, maybe it means that he thinks Jesus is on his shoulder or behind his medical career. It's more of a testament to Ben Carson's big fucking EGO than anything else. Jesus is not wearing a bathrobe, he's just wearing a robe. (It's a shitty painting because it looks kinda like a marshall arts gi.) Carson is wearing a suit.

DigitalChaos
11-25-2015, 04:25 PM
That's true, but you know the majority of public rhetoric is about stereotyping against a popular label.
All Republicans are religious
All Libertarians praise Ayn Rand
All Democrats hate guns
All Christians oppose gay marriage



It's not true, but when you see a repetition underneath a label you start building a stereotype attached to that label. So, you gain the negativity that is attached to those labels when others tarnish it. Hell, I'm a pre-Tea Party libertarian. I know all about it!

DigitalChaos
11-25-2015, 04:28 PM
Have I told you guy's I'm a libertarian before?

how can you identify a libertarian? They will tell you, constantly. ALL libertarians.

elevenism
11-25-2015, 11:07 PM
oh bullshit, I'm a Christian, too, I was Christened and raised as Catholic, but that doesn't mean I lump myself in with every fucking Christian out there, that's just stupid. I mean, I don't associate myself with Kim Davis for fuck's sake. And I don't think any intelligent person lumps all Christians, all Jews, all Muslims in together..

But people aren't intelligent. You are overestimating the intellect of the masses.
If you say you are a christian these days, people DO associate you with all of the stupidity and nasty offensive shit that goes down.
It doesn't matter if YOU don't lump yourself. Trendy atheists go ahead and do the lumping for you.

And yes, the painting is about his ego.
That's why i called him a megalomaniac.

Edit: Also, what DigitalChaos said

allegro
11-25-2015, 11:22 PM
Have I told you guy's I'm a libertarian before?
At least 500 times.



But people aren't intelligent. You are overestimating the intellect of the masses.
If you say you are a christian these days, people DO associate you with all of the stupidity and nasty offensive shit that goes down.
It doesn't matter if YOU don't lump yourself. Trendy atheists go ahead and do the lumping for you.

And yes, the painting is about his ego.
That's why i called him a megalomaniac.

Edit: Also, what DigitalChaos said

But the atheists are the really intelligent ones, so they'll know it's just Carson's ego (and really horrible taste in art), not "oh, all Christians must have paintings of themselves with Jesus in their homes." I have one of myself hanging in my livingroom; with me, the Pope and Jesus on my yacht, drinking wine. Jesus is passing some cheese to the Pope. G is driving the boat because he's atheist.

This country is still inhabited by the Christian majority, dude (http://www.gallup.com/poll/159548/identify-christian.aspx). Unfortunately. It's SUPPOSED to be a secular state, but it's not.

It's a stupid painting of a REALLY RELIGIOUS EVANGELICAL (he's a 7th Day Adventist) running for President. A megalomaniac's main concern is power and control. A portrait of yourself with Jesus just shows you think Jesus is your homey or, at least, is responsible for your success, which in itself is not beyond Christian values but commissioning a portrait is a tad tacky and over-the-top (could be worse, it could be on black velvet). But it doesn't go much beyond that.

And, it DOESN'T HOLD A CANDLE TO ANY OF THESE (http://blazepress.com/2014/02/29-awkward-family-photos-ever/).

This one's my favorite:
http://a4.files.blazepress.com/image/upload/c_fit,cs_srgb,dpr_3.0,q_40,w_320/MTI4OTg2MDMyOTAwMTU2MDM1.jpg

Oh, hey, CHECK THIS OUT (http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/omeoflittlefaith/2010/06/family-portraits-with-jesus.html)!! NOW I KNOW WHAT G IS GETTING FOR CHRISTMAS!! BUT I GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THE CATS TO SIT STILL LONG ENOUGH NEXT TO JESUS!!#

OH WOW THIS IS A TACKY ART TREND THAT COULD RIVAL THAT 3D DOLPHIN THING OF THE 90S!!!! (http://www.goodsalt.com/search/jesus_with_family.html)

Jinsai
11-26-2015, 02:10 AM
Ben Carson is so strange... he's got that neurosurgeon background, so you imagine it's somebody really intelligent, and then he opens his mouth and says the craziest, most moronic shit.

I don't know why he hung that (really shitty) painting on his wall... it exhibits a lack of political maneuvering tact to have that up there while you're showing journalists and photographers your home if you're running for president.

Then again, I don't get what people like about him. I want to assume it's more than white people desperate to absolve themselves of claims of racism by backing a black candidate who identifies with a political ideology commonly associated with racism. 7th Day Adventists aren't exactly a popular group in this country, so it can't be that...

He quotes biblical stories which couldn't have ever been intended to be literally interpreted as "arguments" against his lack of experience. He has exhibited a frighteningly low level understanding of American politics, stands for vague concepts, and doesn't seem to even have a basic grasp of our local geography.

I've tried to google it up and find people who can even demonstrate what they find so appealing about him from comments from his supporters. It's all a dead end. It makes almost no sense why he was surging in popularity for so long. Maybe it was a counter-trump gesture?

Wolfkiller
11-26-2015, 02:22 AM
I think a large part is that any branch of Christianity is your ally against the godless liberals. Well, maybe not the Mormons. So they support anyone spouting off about Jesus regardless of denomination. And brain washing about how they feel regarding issues like gay rights, evolution, abortion, etc...

elevenism
11-26-2015, 06:47 AM
I was just talking with my mom today about the nasty pill you are expected to swallow if you call yourself a christian.
For most people, it seems to come with a certain set of downright mean positions on a whole host of things in life, and ironically, these views are FUCKING DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED to Christianity.
It doesn't make any fucking sense to me.

-When it comes to getting the votes-
It's definitely like @Wolfkiller (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=675) said. I saw this documentary, and i wish to GOD i could remember the name of it. They were in some redneck place with a bunch of farm people and Sarah Palin was appearing. These people were saying that they supported the republican party because McCain and Palin were filled with the holy spirit and Barack Obama was the antichrist. Literally. And Palin went right along with it.
The documentarian also went on to demonstrate that these people didn't really understand many of the policies, and, were in fact, supporting a platform that would be directly detrimental to their lives.
They use issues like gay rights and abortion to get poor people of faith to fuck themselves over by thinking that they are right wing.
It sickens me.
But you never know. Maybe Ben Carson HAS kicked it with jesus. Hell, he might have even bathed Him.
@allegro (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76), thanks for the lolz in your last post.
For the record, i do believe that saturday is the sabbath. It was changed by constantine in 321 in an act of conscious religious syncretism and is on par with the paganism of xmas and easter.
But those churches...well, especially the Church of God...they are fucking insane and it's pretty much a cult. I don't know if Seventh Day Adventists are the same...but since my only reference point on that one is Ben Carson, i'm going to assume that it's pretty fucked up.

allegro
11-26-2015, 10:18 AM
Look, the Republican religious right HAS to spin the liberal as the Godless people because otherwise there would be not a lot of difference. But there's just as much Christianity and Judaism driving the Democratic party as the Evangelicals driving the Republican party. Dude, BLACK PEOPLE ARE MOSTLY RELIGIOUS. Are they Republican? No. They're mostly Baptist, some are Catholic. And they tend to be Democrat. One documentary doesn't tell the whole picture, of course. Women in this country wishing to use their right to free birth control or their right to an abortion certainly do see the obvious control of the Christian conservatives in this country. But there are lots of practicing Catholics who sneak and still use birth control.

And Ben Carson is not taking a bath in that awful painting; he's wearing a tacky Isaac Hayes heavenly white suit.

Deepvoid
11-26-2015, 10:43 AM
W. gave us tons of awesome youtube clips. From the the blind guy and his sunglasses to trying to open a locked door.
Trump would put W. to shame.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA

Jinsai
11-26-2015, 02:35 PM
And Ben Carson is not taking a bath in that awful painting; he's wearing a tacky Isaac Hayes heavenly white suit.

Until he clears it up himself, I'm saying it's sexy savior sauna time.

thevoid99
11-26-2015, 02:40 PM
W. gave us tons of awesome youtube clips. From the the blind guy and his sunglasses to trying to open a locked door.
Trump would put W. to shame.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA

So, should we put a bounty on this man's head?

Deepvoid
11-26-2015, 03:11 PM
So, should we put a bounty on this man's head?

The whole thing is fucking surreal. The reporter in question suffers from a congenital condition affecting joint movement.
Name me one freaking head of state that would get a pass mocking someone like that? One CEO?

When it comes to Trump, he gets a bump in the polls.
Surreal I tell you ...

allegro
11-26-2015, 11:38 PM
I don't trust polls.

allegro
11-26-2015, 11:40 PM
Until he clears it up himself, I'm saying it's sexy savior sauna time.

Shvitzing with Jesus. I think the Apostles did that.

Deepvoid
11-27-2015, 09:15 AM
I don't trust polls.

You really don't think Trump has a legitimate shot at winning the nomination?
What do you think will make him crash?

allegro
11-27-2015, 04:19 PM
You really don't think Trump has a legitimate shot at winning the nomination?
What do you think will make him crash?

The Republican Primaries and the Republican National Convention.

onthewall2983
11-27-2015, 09:23 PM
His voter support dropped 12 points from last week (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/27/us-election-trump-idUSKBN0TG2AN20151127?utm_source=Facebook). They're saying it's fallout from his comments on Paris, so I imagine his recent kerfuffle will hit him a bit more. I hope so at least.

onthewall2983
11-29-2015, 07:38 PM
I normally can't stand on anything he says, but good on Mike Huckabee for calling the Colorado shooter a terrorist.

Exocet
11-29-2015, 09:05 PM
Is it pretty much safe to say Hillary Clinton will be the next president of the U.S ?....i know its a year away. But i cant really see it being any one else.

Donald Trump will never win...lets face it... i think Hillary can be boring...but Hillary has by far the most experience, she is not radical or anything...but she is very smart plus i think a lot of Americans feel a level of familiarity and security with her.

I just look at the middle east and the thought of someone like Ben Carson or Trump leading....its just apocalyptic visions...
Hilary is safe.and stable...she would be great on foreign policy.

allegro
11-30-2015, 01:41 AM
Trump swears he remembers dancing Muslims on TV on 9-11, but those were dancing Israelis (http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885).

More here (http://www.globalresearch.ca/israelis-not-muslims-cheered-in-jersey-city-on-911/5491920).

More here (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/trump-almost-got-it-right-some-people-were-arrested-for-celebrating-911-but-they-were-israeli/).

What a dumbass gaff.

aggroculture
11-30-2015, 01:26 PM
Is it pretty much safe to say Hillary Clinton will be the next president of the U.S ?....i know its a year away. But i cant really see it being any one else.

It is this very sense of inevitability that will lose the Dems this election. They believe they have this one in the bag, and so they basically feel they don't need to lift a finger to make it happen. Hillary will be the next president: next! Wrong. Obama had a huge groundswell of young people and minorities support, a huge momentum of emotion and enthusiasm after 8 years of Bush, that shoved him into the White House. He promised change and a lot of people bought that narrative. He was a hip, sexy candidate: a bit like Tony Blair or even Bill Clinton two decades ago. But even more so: the excitement of the first black president! Hillary has no such movement propelling her: she is same old, same old. The Repubs probably have a better chance with Rubio, I believe the fresh young face approach that worked for Obama, might work for them. I think Hillary's best shot is to choose Bernie as her running mate; of course she won't, too much hubris.

allegro
11-30-2015, 04:01 PM
It is this very sense of inevitability that will lose the Dems this election. They believe they have this one in the bag, and so they basically feel they don't need to lift a finger to make it happen. Hillary will be the next president: next! Wrong. Obama had a huge groundswell of young people and minorities support, a huge momentum of emotion and enthusiasm after 8 years of Bush, that shoved him into the White House. He promised change and a lot of people bought that narrative. He was a hip, sexy candidate: a bit like Tony Blair or even Bill Clinton two decades ago. But even more so: the excitement of the first black president! Hillary has no such movement propelling her: she is same old, same old. The Repubs probably have a better chance with Rubio, I believe the fresh young face approach that worked for Obama, might work for them. I think Hillary's best shot is to choose Bernie as her running mate; of course she won't, too much hubris.
Have you seen this? (http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-latina-voters-2015-11)

elevenism
11-30-2015, 04:18 PM
Trump swears he remembers dancing Muslims on TV on 9-11, but those were dancing Israelis (http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885).

More here (http://www.globalresearch.ca/israelis-not-muslims-cheered-in-jersey-city-on-911/5491920).

More here (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/trump-almost-got-it-right-some-people-were-arrested-for-celebrating-911-but-they-were-israeli/).

What a dumbass gaff.
Yes, i remember these dancing isralelis, who failed lie detector tests about their reasons for being here, etc?
And it's one of the lingering fishy things about 9/11.
But i don't think it was a gaffe. Trump's not THAT stupid, you know?
And trump making fun of the disabled reporter-that's where i draw the fucking line.
NO ONE is that stupid, to act that callously in a presidential bid.
I'm now 100 percent convinced that his run has been an elaborate ruse, and he is probably laughing his ass off at his supporters.

DigitalChaos
12-01-2015, 12:36 PM
I just look at the middle east and the thought of someone like Ben Carson or Trump leading....its just apocalyptic visions...
Hilary is safe.and stable...she would be great on foreign policy.
hahahaha
this is sarcasm, right? There is no way someone can say this in 2015 unless they enjoyed the foreign policy of the Bush years. Her hawkish foreign policy is one of the very few things she actually holds a firm stance on.

allegro
12-01-2015, 01:17 PM
hahahaha
this is sarcasm, right? There is no way someone can say this in 2015 unless they enjoyed the foreign policy of the Bush years. Her hawkish foreign policy is one of the very few things she actually holds a firm stance on.

Yup. See also this (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/stop-calling-hillary-clintons-foreign-policy-tough-and-muscular/404608/).

Jinsai
12-02-2015, 12:32 AM
Trump's not THAT stupid, you know?

No, he really is that stupid. I'm a little tired of the people who seem amused by how clownish he is. The time for laughing about it is done. God I hate Trump so much.

I really hope that Hillary Clinton isn't the only real alternative. That's such a nightmarish choice.

Deepvoid
12-02-2015, 07:28 AM
No, he really is that stupid. I'm a little tired of the people who seem amused by how clownish he is. The time for laughing about it is done. God I hate Trump so much.

I really hope that Hillary Clinton isn't the only real alternative. That's such a nightmarish choice.

The thing is that she is.
The reality is that your next President will either be Clinton, Rubio, Cruz or Trump.

allegro
12-02-2015, 11:21 AM
No, he really is that stupid.
Yes, he is. He's not as brilliant as people are making him out to be. He has blurt-itis. He talks first, thinks later. Which isn't the hallmark of a good leader. It's barely the hallmark of a good businessman. Which is why he's made a bunch of business mistakes. But he's from old money and has had plenty of people and his late father behind him to back him up when he fell down. He was always been a spoiled brat, which is how he still acts when anybody crosses him.

aggroculture
12-02-2015, 11:27 AM
Cruz is deeply scary: a real sociopathic piece of shit. Who has gone far and will go further.
Not content to spread bullshit lies about the Colorado shooter being a "transgender leftist activist", his website STILL promotes the lie that Planned Parenthood sells baby body parts: https://www.tedcruz.org/l/defund-planned-parenthood/
If you promote lies around and inflame such a charged topic, and people get killed partly as a result of your lies, yes, you have blood on your hands.
Cruz should step down from the presidential race in shame.

Jinsai
12-02-2015, 04:35 PM
The reality is that your next President will either be Clinton, Rubio, Cruz or Trump.

And if that's the case, I'll be Clinton 100%. So depressing.

I'm still holding out hope that Bernie Sanders can pull ahead of her. At first I didn't think he had a chance in hell, but lately it's actually seeming like there's a slim possibility he'll make it.


Cruz is deeply scary: a real sociopathic piece of shit.

...with the punchable face of a greek drama mask
I'm seriously considering moving to Canada.

allegro
12-02-2015, 09:48 PM
I'm seriously considering moving to Canada.
My husband and I say that a lot, lately. But as we reach retirement, Canada is pretty picky about whether or not they WANT us, LOL.

Jinsai
12-03-2015, 04:09 AM
My husband and I say that a lot, lately. But as we reach retirement, Canada is pretty picky about whether or not they WANT us, LOL.

I've got dual citizenship, and I really am considering it. I cannot even handle the thought of living under a Trump presidency.

elevenism
12-04-2015, 12:13 AM
Surely, SURELY, NO ONE is stupid enough to make fun of the disabled.
I'm still going with the idea that Trump's campaign is an elaborate ruse and that this is part of it.

Clinton WILL be the next president, and this is by design. She's the face of the corporate oligarchy that we call a republic. Oh wait, we call it a "democracy" for some reason.

Nothing changes. Obama is Bush part 2 (spying, endless war, corruption, secrecy, lies...)

"THEY" put a black "liberal" face on the agenda when the anti-bush sentiment swelled to unmanageable levels.

Now Trump is doing his job, making a mockery of the republican party and splitting it in two.

The social zeitgeist has slid to the left-otherwise, there would he deception at work to insure that our president came from the "right."

Ultimately, the left/right dichotomy is an illusion. I've said it once and i'll say it again.
They will keep dividing us with moral and sexual issues while continuing to drive us down precisely the same path when it comes to the MASSIVE issues, the monetary issues, the foreign policy issues.

Yes, i'm getting very cynical.
(gets off soapbox. i had a lot more to say, but i don't like the taste of venom.)
allegro and Jinsai , Sheap and i TRIED to get into Canada, but they don't want us.

Jinsai
12-04-2015, 06:48 AM
well, I have dual-citizenship so I've been considering jumping out of the clown car and just migrating north to Canada
every day I find I have fewer reasons to stick around here. Nowhere is perfect, but I feel sick when I think about the things that piss me off about America, especially when I realize that it's almost certainly only going to get worse. You're powerless and fucked, and everyone around you is blathering about stupid shit that doesn't matter... and then, all of a sudden, some shitty trust fund fuck has gone from joke to viable presidential candidate, and you can't even vote.

The electoral college makes sure that even if you bother to vote, your vote is bullshit unless you live in Ohio.
And the worst part is that more than half of the time you bring up something like that with anyone, even in a "liberal" city like Los Angeles, you get into an argument... they'll concede that it's obvious that the president is basically elected by a handful of swing states with a comparably minuscule population to the total vote... they'll admit that the states that have that perception of voter significance pull in a larger percentage of the state population to actually go out and vote... they'll admit that if you live in a place like Texas or California or New York, you might as well stay at home... but they'll defend it, because they think it makes it more likely that their "home team" will win.

I don't know if we were always this stupid, but I know that when I get a moment to breathe outside of this country, I feel like I just escaped a fucking cult.

DigitalChaos
12-04-2015, 03:54 PM
Hillary LOVES to use her gender as a selling point. It's great to see more people see through that line of bullshit. I'm posting here for the political/electoral angle, but i've also place this in the feminism thread as there is a lot on that angle too.


My Kind of Misogyny (http://thebaffler.com/blog/my-kind-misogyny)

"The left feminist critique of Hillary Clinton is being intentionally ignored by high-profile feminists because its very existence contradicts a thesis they hold dear: that criticism of Hillary Clinton—even from the left—is primarily the domain of misogynistic men who hate to see a strong woman succeed."


"We know that Bernie has more women donors than Hillary, that women make up 47.8% of Bernie’s supporters, and that the biggest divide between Bernie’s camp and Hillary’s is age, not gender."


"It’s not that critics of Hillary are largely misogynist or even that they’re obsessed with political purity. It’s that she’s a proven neoliberal warhawk, a Wall Street sycophant, and a consistent enemy of the poor. It’s a strange sort of “misogynist” who condemns Clinton for her endorsement of “welfare reform,” which eviscerated a social safety net that primarily benefited women and children. And who are these misogynists who question Clinton’s time on the board of Walmart, a company known for its mass exploitation, particularly of women? What a misogyny that decrees the women of Iraq deserve lives free of American war! There’s a misogyny that advocates for childcare, healthcare, free university parental leave? O brave new world, that has such misogynists in it!"

allegro
12-04-2015, 11:04 PM
Trump on Letterman in 1988 (jump to 16:00)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GmNN2MCJ-7U

elevenism
12-05-2015, 12:19 AM
well, I have dual-citizenship so I've been considering jumping out of the clown car and just migrating north to Canada
every day I find I have fewer reasons to stick around here.
DO IT.
Go get you some of that clean air, universal healthcare, and opportunity for upward mobility.
They don't want me because i've been charged with a couple of violent felonies (even though one was reduced to a misdemeanor and the other one "died on the vine,") and a DWI.

Jesus Murphy! You could stand on queue to spend yer loonies on a couple of two fours, and if you drink too much, you can throw up in the biffy.
I could come visit and crash on your chesterfield and watch out for hosers who think i'm a gorby.

(i love Canadian slang)

I have a Texas friend who moved out that way, and she said it's really cool to listen to Boards of Canada IN Canada.

hellospaceboy
12-06-2015, 09:22 PM
Three years ago I said that Rubio has a real chance at winning at least the GOP nomination, if he positions himself as the moderate/center conservative. That's when the GOP was doing the post-Romney "autopsy" and decided that it needed to reach Hispanic voters if they ever wanted to get into the White House again. Well, Rubio managed to fuck it up, playing the same primaries game as the others (sliding more and more to the right), so he's not going to save the Republican party for self destruction. Which is okay by me.

I know everyone on the left loves Bernie, and I do to, but it's a fuckin' stretch to see him winning the national elections, I'm sorry, but I think it is going to be Hillary.

And, just for the record, I will be so happy if she wins, because I really don't want Cruz or Carson or Trump there. I have to say, the GOP has some really weak candidates this time around. If I was into politics (and if I was a natural born US citizen, which I'm not) I would take a very close look at this and see a clear opening for a reasonable human being to go in there and shine.

DigitalChaos
12-09-2015, 03:59 PM
http://i.imgur.com/8Tp7a1O.gif

Exocet
12-10-2015, 01:11 AM
Oh man the UK media really does not like Donald Trump, the BBC is going overdrive to destroy him, using all their contacts around the world ..they fucking hate him
He attended an IRA conference in 1995 too...cunt

onthewall2983
12-10-2015, 01:23 AM
http://i.imgur.com/8Tp7a1O.gif

I can't get enough of this.

Jinsai
12-10-2015, 02:41 AM
what's the story with this photo of Trump with the eagle?

elevenism
12-10-2015, 04:30 AM
Good god, i was listening to Cruz and he sounds like he REALLY wants a religious war. I will find the clip later.

He's really starting to scare me. And trump is reminding me more and more of hitler

Jinsai
12-10-2015, 06:32 AM
Good god, i was listening to Cruz and he sounds like he REALLY wants a religious war. I will find the clip later.

He's really starting to scare me. And trump is reminding me more and more of hitler

As much as I hate Trump, he's nowhere near as scary as the idea of Cruz or Huckabee (who thankfully has NO chance at this point) in the white house. I think Trump is a complete dumbfuck, but I think he's also playing a character, and I think as dumb as he is, he's smart enough to know he doesn't have a chance in hell of winning this election. Cruz is not. He is truly an idiot, and I think he actually believes the insane stuff he says.

miss k bee
12-10-2015, 10:54 AM
Oh man the UK media really does not like Donald Trump, the BBC is going overdrive to destroy him, using all their contacts around the world ..they fucking hate him
He attended an IRA conference in 1995 too...cunt

Well he is a twit. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35052505

And calling Katie Hopkins a 'respected columnist' ha haaa!

WorzelG
12-11-2015, 03:46 AM
This mash up of Donald Trump insults is really funny

http://www.vulture.com/2015/12/watch-this-supercut-of-midnights-trump-insults.html?mid=twitter_vulture

hellospaceboy
12-11-2015, 08:44 AM
This is pure gold:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU_Jdts5rL0

hellospaceboy
12-11-2015, 08:49 AM
...but on a serious note, this is what I feared: I already hear people embrace Cruz as the suitable alternative to Trump, and he is NOT, but I think the republican establishment is so desperate at this point to not have Trump that they'll take anyone.

Also, my big fear is that somehow Trump ends up winning the presidency. I know everybody's saying that it's not going to happen, but at this point that "what if?" is certainly there. He's not slowing down, the republican base seems to love him, the more racist he comes off the better his poll numbers are.

aggroculture
12-11-2015, 11:28 AM
Yeah, Cruz is positioning himself to receive Trump's votes when Trump is ousted: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/a-senate-test-vote-on-donald-trumps-religious-test/419997/?utm_source=SFFB

Also, the Republican party is so so full of shit: all these guys crawling out the woodwork to make themselves look good by condemning him. Trump is merely a more clownish version of them: I mean, who is worse, a random blowhard like Trump, or a man like Cheney who has killed hundreds of thousands of people?
If they wanted Trump out they could simply vote to eject him from the party; but they're not even saying they won't back him if he's the nominee, thus demonstrating themselves willing to throw all morals under the bus as long as they get back in power. I think those guys secretly love Trump and applaud him, and wish they could say those things too. He appeals to violent tendencies, and...well we've all got them. And right now it seems like a lot of people just want to indulge them instead of reining them in. He cuts through this facade of fake politeness and civility that politicians wear, and is open about embracing the violence of US society and foreign policy and that's partly why he is loved/hated - same thing really.

I totally see Trump winning the presidency. It's so far-fetched to be possible. People want a president they can get excited about, one way or the other, and Trump fits that bill. The USA acts like it's out of control right now, at home and abroad, and he embodies that chaos perfectly.

allegro
12-11-2015, 11:52 AM
He appeals to violent tendencies
The thing is, he's the only anti-war guy in the bunch. He's saying we should stay out of Syria, he's saying we shouldn't get involved in various conflicts, he's pretty much the anti-hawk, because he thinks it costs the country way too much money; that's why he's been ragging on those who voted to go into Iraq after 9/11 (like he's been ragging on Jeb about his brother, W). Trump is really fucking stupid with this "ban all Muslims from coming into the U.S." thing, and he sounds like somebody from the 1940s, or maybe even like Hitler, and the other Republican candidates have been calling him out on that shit, very publicly. But I still don't trust these "polls." I was in marketing for far too long to see how those numbers can be based on not nearly enough sampling. It's FAR too early in the game to be declaring any obvious Republican winner at this point.

University with 100% accuracy predicts that Bernie Sanders will be next President (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/8/1447235/-Bernie-Sanders-Wins-100-Accurate-Mock-Election).

aggroculture
12-11-2015, 12:00 PM
You mean apart from the bombing the shit out of ISIS stuff?

But yeah I totally buy that his influence and popularity are inflated by the media, and I do also feel that conscious or not, deliberate or not, his effect is to make the other republicans look good.

elevenism
12-13-2015, 02:42 PM
Meanwhile, NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Ted Cruz Takes the Lead in Iowa (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ted-cruz-donald-trump-ben-carson-iowa-poll/)

GulDukat
12-15-2015, 10:09 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/upshot/how-trump-could-win-and-why-he-probably-wont.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Good article on why Trump is unlikely to be the Rebublican nominee, but how it could still happn.

cynicmuse
12-15-2015, 11:16 PM
This seemed to be a better debate than previous Republican debates, but Trump was mostly contained. The moderators also went after him for the shut down the internet comment. Bush finally manged to get a zinger on Trump after too many tries, but he stumbled in both his opening and his closing, which seemed a little strange. It was funny how they all kept saying modernize the B-52. The government has tried (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/b-52s-us-air-force-bombers.html) to replace BUFF more than once in the last 50 years and failed (B-1 and B-2). They're trying to replace it now with LRS-B, but that won't be flying for another 15-20 years. Cruz kept trying to talk over the moderators and kept getting smacked down. Cruz and Rubio seemed to have their own private death match going on during the debate.

DigitalChaos
12-16-2015, 01:33 AM
This was awesome. It's why I would love to see a Rand Paul vs Bernie Sanders debate.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nldU_cfflVQ

DigitalChaos
12-16-2015, 01:34 AM
& #2 because you can't embed more than 1 video per post :rolleyes:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqC8wmwYtUE

DigitalChaos
12-16-2015, 02:20 AM
I can't get enough of this.
I've never felt more patriotic than when I look at this gif. The bird's name is Uncle Sam for fucks sake!


what's the story with this photo of Trump with the eagle?

TIME did a photoshoot with him earlier this year and just released some footage of it. There is a video here with a few more incidents where the bird kept fucking with Trump. By the end, Trump was afraid of the bird and refused to do more, from the sounds of it. So much for the tough guy image!
http://time.com/4141783/time-person-of-the-year-runner-up-donald-trump-eagle-gif/

Jinsai
12-16-2015, 02:53 PM
The thing is, he's the only anti-war guy in the bunch. He's saying we should stay out of Syria, he's saying we shouldn't get involved in various conflicts, he's pretty much the anti-hawk, because he thinks it costs the country way too much money; that's why he's been ragging on those who voted to go into Iraq after 9/11 (like he's been ragging on Jeb about his brother, W). Trump is really fucking stupid with this "ban all Muslims from coming into the U.S." thing, and he sounds like somebody from the 1940s, or maybe even like Hitler, and the other Republican candidates have been calling him out on that shit, very publicly. But I still don't trust these "polls." I was in marketing for far too long to see how those numbers can be based on not nearly enough sampling. It's FAR too early in the game to be declaring any obvious Republican winner at this point.

University with 100% accuracy predicts that Bernie Sanders will be next President (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/8/1447235/-Bernie-Sanders-Wins-100-Accurate-Mock-Election).

i have a hard time buying into any prediction that says sanders is going to win Mississippi

DigitalChaos
12-18-2015, 01:12 AM
The DNC is effectively freezing Bernie's campaign at a critical time. This reads a lot like someone found a security vulnerability and is getting punished for disclosing it. If so, it's pretty messed up that someone was fired and then a candidate gets totally screwed.


http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/bernie-sanders-campaign-accessed-confidential-clinton-data

ziltoid
12-18-2015, 11:02 AM
The DNC is effectively freezing Bernie's campaign at a critical time. This reads a lot like someone found a security vulnerability and is getting punished for disclosing it. If so, it's pretty messed up that someone was fired and then a candidate gets totally screwed.


http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/bernie-sanders-campaign-accessed-confidential-clinton-data

I was just going to post about this.
As far as petitions go I doubt it will make a difference but I signed it at the bottom of this page: http://usuncut.com/politics/dnc-sabotages-bernie/

Voters eager to pressure Debbie Wasserman Schultz to reverse her decision can call her office at 202-225-7931, and send emails to info@democrats.org.

(http://usuncut.com/politics/dnc-sabotages-bernie/)

orestes
12-18-2015, 11:07 AM
Debbie Wasserman Schultz needs to step down as DNC chairwoman. She's been a pretty ineffective leader for some time now, but the fact that she's a known Clinton supporter makes her actions questionable, at the very least.

DigitalChaos
12-18-2015, 11:23 AM
Yeah, no way that petition will help. The DNC, especially Wasserman, is so deeply involved with Hillary. They aren't going to back off of this any sooner than they want, especially for Bernie who isn't even a Democrat and is hurting Hillary. What are dem voters going to do... vote republican? lol

There is one way for this to be fixed fast: when it starts hurting Hillary. There are ways it can cast her in negative light. Especially if Sanders looks like a victim. That's up to his campaign and social media to make happen.

cynicmuse
12-19-2015, 06:51 PM
Bernie Sanders sued and got access to the data again (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-threatens-to-sue-dnc-if-access-to-voter-list-isnt-restored/2015/12/18/fa8d6df8-a5a2-11e5-ad3f-991ce3374e23_story.html). I think that his cause was helped by the media attention and by the fact that there's another debate tonight. Frankly, I'd want someone's head on a platter from NGP-VAN. This isn't the first time that they've had a breach (http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/sanders-dnc-data-breach-josh-uretsky/) in the last three months. This is what testing servers are for... testing changes before you put them into production. Big data (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-how-obama-trumped-romney-with-big-data/2012/11/12/6fa599da-2cd4-11e2-89d4-040c9330702a_story.html) made a difference during the last election, especially because Mitt Romney's system, ORCA, didn't work on election day.

DigitalChaos
12-20-2015, 05:25 PM
Bernie Sanders sued and got access to the data again (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-threatens-to-sue-dnc-if-access-to-voter-list-isnt-restored/2015/12/18/fa8d6df8-a5a2-11e5-ad3f-991ce3374e23_story.html). I think that his cause was helped by the media attention and by the fact that there's another debate tonight. Frankly, I'd want someone's head on a platter from NGP-VAN. This isn't the first time that they've had a breach (http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/sanders-dnc-data-breach-josh-uretsky/) in the last three months. This is what testing servers are for... testing changes before you put them into production. Big data (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-how-obama-trumped-romney-with-big-data/2012/11/12/6fa599da-2cd4-11e2-89d4-040c9330702a_story.html) made a difference during the last election, especially because Mitt Romney's system, ORCA, didn't work on election day.

I do hope this doesn't fade from public attention before the full story can come out. I have a friend who is extremely familiar with NGPVAN and has worked on it for Dem campaigning. The DNC seems to be deliberately using double-language to mislead the public. Things like "export" and "delete" have very clear definitions to basically everyone. But in NGPVAN terminology, they are very different. Sadly, not a single portion of the media has talked to someone familiar with the system. There was some blog by a guy claiming experience, but he also maintains the double-language.

I've got a few press contacts interested and am chatting with them about it. With any luck, this can get some attention... but journalists are fickle when it comes to timing and popularity of a topic. Fingers crossed...

Deepvoid
12-21-2015, 10:54 AM
Another one bites the dust...

Lindsey Graham.

DigitalChaos
12-27-2015, 07:18 PM
Another one bites the dust...

Lindsey Graham.
Man... Yours is the first post on the page and I thought I clicked the Dead Souls thread.
i was like :eek: and then I was like :|

Deepvoid
12-29-2015, 09:40 PM
Down goes Pataki!

DigitalChaos
12-31-2015, 08:30 PM
A friend of mine made a silly little plugin for Chrome called the Trump Filter. It's getting a bunch of press right now.


http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/30/news/donald-trump-filter-google-chrome/index.html


You can get it here: http://trumpfilter.com/

I might tweak it to also do Hillary... or maybe swap their names and see if it makes any difference.

Dra508
12-31-2015, 10:11 PM
Down goes Pataki!

I'm so unclear on why this dude got in the race in the first place..

Next up, Carson? Bush?

allegro
12-31-2015, 11:15 PM
I'm so unclear on why this dude got in the race in the first place..

Next up, Carson? Bush?

Santorum ...

DigitalChaos
01-01-2016, 01:38 AM
Feel the Bush!
christ

onthewall2983
01-07-2016, 12:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucyVC1Q7F9A

halloween
01-07-2016, 07:03 PM
Trump is currently in Burlington, VT. I wonder what's going down...

GulDukat
01-08-2016, 02:42 AM
Trump is currently in Burlington, VT. I wonder what's going down...
Watching it now. People were asked at the door if the were Trump supporters and asked to leave if they weren't. Fascist.