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elevenism
07-02-2015, 02:31 AM
LOLOL Christie. Just in general.

But especially Santorum. :)

Anyway, now that i've got that out of my system, i just heard on the news that FUCKING DONALD TRUMP is in SECOND place in the polls right now.

I assured my horrified mother that it has to be that he's gotten a spike in popularity because he said some racist ass shit, and all the racist assholes are applauding him now.

There's no way he will get the nod. No fucking chance.

Also, i don't thunk there's much chance that a republican is going to win in 2016.

Now keep in mind, that doesn't mean that a democrat isn't going do shady evil shit to us (see TPP, what ever the fuck jade helm really is, etc...but that's a different thread)

GulDukat
07-02-2015, 07:53 AM
It's going to be Bush and Clinton, and Clinton will win. I'm calling it now. :p

Deepvoid
07-02-2015, 08:23 AM
Trump is now polling 2nd nationwide according to new CNN poll. (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/01/politics/iowa-poll-donald-trump-scott-walker/)

GulDukat
07-02-2015, 07:44 PM
Trump is now polling 2nd nationwide according to new CNN poll. (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/01/politics/iowa-poll-donald-trump-scott-walker/)
Sad. What a party.

Jim Webb is now running.

Baphomette
07-04-2015, 06:47 PM
Trump is now polling 2nd nationwide according to new CNN poll. (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/01/politics/iowa-poll-donald-trump-scott-walker/)Poll results always make me laugh. Let's see... They surveyed 1,017 people (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/06/30/trumpbushclinton.pdf), none of which were Latino (Gee, I wonder why).

After everything that happened this week, I would LOVE to see him come out as the GOP candidate, especially if he ran against Sanders. Bernie would have the presidency handed to him with some tamales and a big glass of horchata.

Deepvoid
07-04-2015, 07:30 PM
Obviously, polls this early on mean nothing but it blows my mind that Donald fucking Trump is polling higher than someone like Ted Cruz. It Donald Trump for christ's sake.

GulDukat
07-05-2015, 10:01 AM
Obviously, polls this early on mean nothing but it blows my mind that Donald fucking Trump is polling higher than someone like Ted Cruz. It Donald Trump for christ's sake.
Is one any better than the other?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K0sRkvX4KE

Deepvoid
07-05-2015, 01:08 PM
As much as I think Cruz is a nutjob, I see him as a more serious candidate. I just cannot take Trump seriously as a politician. How insulting it must be for these senators and governors that Trump, Celebrity Apprentice host, is polling higher than all of them.

cynicmuse
07-05-2015, 02:36 PM
As much as I think Cruz is a nutjob, I see him as a more serious candidate. I just cannot take Trump seriously as a politician. How insulting it must be for these senators and governors that Trump, Celebrity Apprentice host, is polling higher than all of them.
Trump got a post-annoucement bump. Also, Bush, Carson, Cruz, Paul, and Rubio are all within in the margin of error for second place. This poll is only useful in estimating who will be at the first "debate". Also, I can never take Trump seriously. All I can think of when I see him is the old "Trump or Monkey?" segment that David Letterman did. The Monmouth poll (http://www.monmouth.edu/university/monmouth-university-poll-reports.aspx) taken on June 15th, before he declared his candidacy had him barely polling at 2%... the end of the pack. Who ends up in the debate really depends upon which polls Fox News uses, and they haven't shared that information yet.

elevenism
07-06-2015, 12:05 PM
Trump got a more SIGNIFICANT bump for saying RACIST ASS SHIT.

People on the right are a hell of a lot more racist than they will admit out in the open.

Actually, people in GENERAL are that way.

People who don't know the difference between the left and the right will now approve of trump because he is a fucking racist.
allegro, in the other thread, i was thinking all the way back to the first iraq war.
And i am aware of John Mc's urging obama.

Which brings me to this.
I will still vote democratic, but every year i am feeling more and more an "us" and "them" mentality-as in we the people and THEM, the political insiders. And i'm not talking about all politicians, mind you. I think that Sanders and Paul are us. But they will never let them near the white house.

It goes back to the corporate oligarchy thing we've talked about before. More and more, i'm thinking that things are pre-planned, and that we are either being lied to more, or i'm just starting to notice it more.

I'm really disgusted with it lately.

Khrz
07-07-2015, 08:56 AM
Or is [Donald Trump] there for the money and publicity, and to make sure (willingly or not) that all the other republican candidates will look level-headed, compassionate and educated in comparison, while distracting the democrats and their supporters ?


Yeah I... I retract that statement (http://www.politicususa.com/2015/07/06/republicans-meltdown-donald-trump-calls-jeb-bushs-wife-illegal-mexican.html). There is no strategy, no shrewd sleight of hand at work. I find it amazing that the republicans wouldn't know how to react to the constant shitmist this guy generates.
Well, no, thinking about it, I don't. We have (very roughly) the same kind of right wing, desperately trying to win back the extreme right voters. Racists are people too !

Deepvoid
07-07-2015, 09:26 AM
According to The Hill, the following candidates will likely participate in the first debate.

Bush
Walker
Carson
Rubio
Huckabee
Paul
Trump
Cruz
Perry
Christie

That leaves Santorum, Fiorina, Jindal, Graham, Kasich and Pataki out.

allegro
07-07-2015, 10:21 AM
Yeah I... I retract that statement (http://www.politicususa.com/2015/07/06/republicans-meltdown-donald-trump-calls-jeb-bushs-wife-illegal-mexican.html). There is no strategy, no shrewd sleight of hand at work. I find it amazing that the republicans wouldn't know how to react to the constant shitmist this guy generates.
Well, no, thinking about it, I don't. We have (very roughly) the same kind of right wing, desperately trying to win back the extreme right voters. Racists are people too !
Trump isn't racist, he really believes that the Mexican Government is cleaning out its country, ridding it of the "bad people" by shipping criminals into the U.S. He believes that "some" of the illegal immigrants coming from Mexico are "good people" but the vast majority are part of this evil Mexican Government Plot to rid Mexico of criminals by shipping them to the U.S.

I am not sure if he really believes this shit or if he knows that the American public really thinks this shit is true so he's telling them what he thinks they want to hear. He's rolling the dice with the minority vote in the general election, though. Because the minorities add up to be a LOT of voters in the big electoral states, and young voters tend to align themselves with minorities.

Khrz
07-07-2015, 11:42 AM
[QUOTE=allegro;261251]Trump isn't racist/QUOTE]

Fair enough, I'm not going to pretend that I know your politicians better than you do :)
But the people who react to that kind of discourse are, that's what I was talking about with my "racists are people too" half-joke.
And the rest of the Republican candidates find themselves, apparently, in the difficult position of either contradicting him on this terrain and lose the baser voters, or to agree passively and to implicitly validate such bullshit...

allegro
07-07-2015, 11:44 AM
And the rest of the Republican candidates find themselves, apparently, in the difficult position of either contradicting him on this terrain and lose the baser voters, or to agree passively and to implicitly validate such bullshit...
well, and now there's this:

http://i2.wp.com/www.politicususa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/trump-tweet.jpg?resize=477%2C554

Khrz
07-07-2015, 12:57 PM
Yeah that's what led me to that post on the top of the page :)

thevoid99
07-07-2015, 02:57 PM
well, and now there's this:

http://i2.wp.com/www.politicususa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/trump-tweet.jpg?resize=477%2C554


Oh shit. Trump is going to die for that.

allegro
07-07-2015, 04:00 PM
Yeah that's what led me to that post on the top of the page :)
When I clicked on your link, the site was so overloaded it was rejecting people with 404 messages LOL.

Mantra
07-08-2015, 11:23 AM
Trump isn't racist, he really believes that the Mexican Government is cleaning out its country, ridding it of the "bad people" by shipping criminals into the U.S. He believes that "some" of the illegal immigrants coming from Mexico are "good people" but the vast majority are part of this evil Mexican Government Plot to rid Mexico of criminals by shipping them to the U.S.

Of course Trump is a racist, lol.

Labeling an entire population of people as rapists/criminals = incredibly racist.

There is literally no way to make a statement like "tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border" and not be a huge racist. Jesus, come on now.

allegro
07-08-2015, 06:01 PM
Of course Trump is a racist, lol.

Labeling an entire population of people as rapists/criminals = incredibly racist.

There is literally no way to make a statement like "tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border" and not be a huge racist. Jesus, come on now.

He didn't do that; look, I can't fucking stand Trump, his ego is inflated and he's fucking delusional dickhead, but read his entire quote (and mine); he thinks the Mexican GOVERNMENT is shipping convicted felons out of Mexico and into the US to rid Mexico of "bad people" (which is a ridiculous assertion). Also, he's clearly sucking up to anti-Mexican immigrant voters in this country, AND THERE ARE A SHITLOAD OF THESE VOTERS who think Mexico is taking over Merika.

See this:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-trump-mexican-immigrants-20150706-story.html

"To the citizens of the United States, who I will represent far better than anyone else as president, the Mexican government is not our friend … and why should they be when the relationship is totally one-sided in their favor on both illegal immigration and trade,”

Trump is a typical right-wing Nationalist. He only likes American Citizens who wave American flags and sing the National Anthem every morning and recite the Pledge of Allegiance at breakfast and are preferably rich.

I'm still waiting for him to set his Birther sights on Ted Cruz.

GulDukat
07-08-2015, 07:16 PM
Watching Trump on TV now. Still a birther.

Baphomette
07-08-2015, 08:40 PM
See this:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-trump-mexican-immigrants-20150706-story.html

from LA Times article:

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you,” he said to the audience in June. “They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

“It’s coming from more than Mexico,” he added. “It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably — probably — from the Middle East.”

The statement released Monday cited those original comments but added a parenthetical explanation to the first clause: “(meaning the Mexican government).”"

I don't care how many (()) are added due to hindsight - the man is a fucking racist shitbag.

GulDukat
07-08-2015, 09:07 PM
Anyone see Trump's interview on NBC? Wow.

allegro
07-08-2015, 10:02 PM
from LA Times article:


I don't care how many (()) are added due to hindsight - the man is a fucking racist shitbag.

The guy hates everybody who's not an American-flag-waiving American citizen. He's why I can't stand nationalism. He's probably also a racist, but EVEN WORSE he's mostly a shitbag nationalist who thinks every other country and every person from every other country is substandard. He's also a fucking moron. Nothing he says makes any sense.

His level of nationalism is very very dangerous.

allegro
07-08-2015, 10:05 PM
Anyone see Trump's interview on NBC? Wow.

Did you see Cruz on Meet the Press? Ugh.

I can't believe these assholes are getting TV time.

orestes
07-08-2015, 10:32 PM
Trump is like a YouTube comment thread that achieved sentience.

allegro
07-08-2015, 10:42 PM
Meanwhile, Jeb Bush mostly speaks Spanish at home (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jeb-bush-speaks-spanish-english-home/story?id=31861226).

Baphomette
07-08-2015, 11:03 PM
Meanwhile, Jeb Bush mostly speaks Spanish at home (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jeb-bush-speaks-spanish-english-home/story?id=31861226).Damn. That gringo speaks it better than my brother.

GulDukat
07-08-2015, 11:09 PM
Trump is like a YouTube comment thread that achieved sentience.
Well played. Quote of the year.

Deepvoid
07-09-2015, 10:51 AM
Speaking of Jeb Bush. Here's his solution to increasing family income.

"People should work longer hours." (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/jeb-bush-people-should-work-longer-hours-119884.html)

GulDukat
07-09-2015, 11:01 AM
Speaking of Jeb Bush. Here's his solution to increasing family income.

"People should work longer hours." (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/jeb-bush-people-should-work-longer-hours-119884.html)

The Republicans aren't off to a very good start, are they? Hilary/Bernie or whomever the Democrats nominate next year and their super PACS already have some great material for their commercials.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-world-map_559c48f3e4b04e28f1e52bb4?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg000 00024
http://img.huffingtonpost.com//asset/scaleFit_960_noupscale/559d19e91300008e10a59e6f.jpeg?cache=3taCaOPPBL

Deepvoid
07-09-2015, 01:29 PM
I know it's just another poll but Trump will have the honor of polling 1st in at least one national poll.

15% or 4 points ahead of Bush (https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/07/09/gop-frontrunner-donald-trump/)

Dra508
07-10-2015, 01:37 PM
I don't know why they'd think this is a conspiracy. The New York Times might be left of The Wall Street Journal, but it's not The Daily Kos FFS.

Ted Cruz's book left off NYT Best Seller's List (http://www.mediaite.com/online/ny-times-ted-cruz-tried-to-cheat-his-way-onto-bestsellers-list/)

allegro
07-12-2015, 06:22 PM
Speaking of Jeb Bush. Here's his solution to increasing family income.

"People should work longer hours." (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/jeb-bush-people-should-work-longer-hours-119884.html)
To be fair, he was talking about tons of people who were forced to take part-time jobs because they couldn't find full-time jobs.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JebBush/status/619085156830314496


How Bernie Sanders plans to win, and change Washington (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-bernie-sanders-plans-win-2016-change-washington/).

Mantra
07-13-2015, 05:55 PM
Walker's in.

GulDukat
07-13-2015, 06:03 PM
Walker's in.
Saw his campaign kickoff speech. Yawn. Typical boilerplate Republican fare.

Mantra
07-13-2015, 06:12 PM
How many of these republican shitbags are running at this point? I feel like it's gotta be at least one third of the entire party.

allegro
07-13-2015, 06:29 PM
Walker's in.

Ugh, God, I really can't stand that guy.

GulDukat
07-13-2015, 08:51 PM
How many of these republican shitbags are running at this point? I feel like it's gotta be at least one third of the entire party.
15, so far.

Dra508
07-13-2015, 10:41 PM
Ugh, God, I really can't stand that guy.

Yeah, he's going to make me hate the Wisconsin accent.

Jinsai
07-14-2015, 12:22 AM
I would prefer any republican candidate over Trump. I know a lot of people think it's hilarious, but I just want him to go away. Fuck off Donald Trump. Seriously.

allegro
07-14-2015, 07:27 AM
Yeah, he's going to make me hate the Wisconsin accent.
It's a Midwest accent. Chicagoans are worse. (Da Jewel is Over Dare, we love Da Bears). Michigan U.P. has some crossover into the Fargo thing which sometimes bleeds down into Detroit, eh?

We have our boat harbored in Kenosha and they fucking love Scott Walker. I just don't get it.

Deepvoid
07-14-2015, 08:56 AM
Trump is causing so much shit within his party. He definitely needs to stay as long as possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSvFIOE5cfs

allegro
07-14-2015, 09:33 AM
I'd pay to see El Chapo do some bad-ass shit to Trump.

GulDukat
07-14-2015, 11:36 AM
Trump is causing so much shit within its party. He definitely needs to stay as long as possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSvFIOE5cfs
Hoping his ego is so big he runs as an independent . It will be great entertainment and ensure a Clinton victory.

telee.kom
07-14-2015, 04:35 PM
I understand that Trump is an idiot, but this is kinda reaching. Media shouldn't overdone this anti campaign. Although I guess it's kinda funny

https://news.vice.com/article/donald-trump-just-tweeted-and-deleted-a-picture-featuring-nazi-ss-soldiers?utm_source=vicenewsfb

Space Suicide
07-14-2015, 04:44 PM
I understand that Trump is an idiot, but this is kinda reaching. Media shouldn't overdone this anti campaign. Although I guess it's kinda funny

https://news.vice.com/article/donald-trump-just-tweeted-and-deleted-a-picture-featuring-nazi-ss-soldiers?utm_source=vicenewsfb

Unprofessional professional "designer" using a stock image of a random soldier scene. I wouldn't grill them too hard over it. I'm a graphic designer and I know shit happens when people don't know what they are doing or observant of the work they create.

It's funny, harmful and incidentally "offensive" but I wouldn't consider it done on purpose.

allegro
07-14-2015, 09:15 PM
Unprofessional professional "designer" using a stock image of a random soldier scene. I wouldn't grill them too hard over it. I'm a graphic designer and I know shit happens when people don't know what they are doing or observant of the work they create.

It's funny, harmful and incidentally "offensive" but I wouldn't consider it done on purpose.

Exactly. Really, there's no fucking way I'd have known those were Nazi SS soldiers had somebody not pointed that out.

sentient02970
07-15-2015, 08:22 AM
I understand that Trump is an idiot, but this is kinda reaching. Media shouldn't overdone this anti campaign. Although I guess it's kinda funny

https://news.vice.com/article/donald-trump-just-tweeted-and-deleted-a-picture-featuring-nazi-ss-soldiers?utm_source=vicenewsfb

Even if they got the "right" image of US soldiers it's still very much a creepy Year Zero sort of vibe. All it's missing are bibles and churches.

DigitalChaos
07-15-2015, 03:54 PM
Nate Silver takes a look at the data around Sanders and Hillary.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bernie-sanders-surge-is-about-bernie-not-hillary/

Quite a dose of reality there.

emptydesk
07-15-2015, 05:13 PM
Progressives poll but they don't vote, unfortunately.

Dra508
07-15-2015, 07:36 PM
Progressives poll but they don't vote, unfortunately.

Vote people! Vote early and often!

Heard Jim Webb on the radio today.
https://thedianerehmshow.org

emptydesk
07-15-2015, 08:17 PM
Nixon was more liberal than Webb.

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/the-bizarre-mystery-of-jim-webbs-presidential-campaign-707

GulDukat
07-15-2015, 08:52 PM
Nixon was more liberal than Webb.

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/the-bizarre-mystery-of-jim-webbs-presidential-campaign-707
On domestic issues, Nixon would be closer to Sanders than any Republican running in 2016.

Mantra
07-15-2015, 09:42 PM
On domestic issues, Nixon would be closer to Sanders than any Republican running in 2016.

which says a lot about the republican party today

allegro
07-15-2015, 09:52 PM
which says a lot about the republican party today

It says a lot about most Dems for the last several decades, too.

allegro
07-15-2015, 09:55 PM
On domestic issues, Nixon would be closer to Sanders than any Republican running in 2016.

On foreign issues, Nixon was radical, too.

Sneaking into Communist China to meet with Mao? Had that not happened, I wouldn't be typing on this smartphone right now.

Dra508
07-16-2015, 08:05 AM
Nixon was more liberal than Webb.

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/the-bizarre-mystery-of-jim-webbs-presidential-campaign-707

True and true to all the comments responding to your post. Thanks for bringing Nixon up. He is a good example of time and space reassigning his story.

I thought for sure Nixon would be stamped a criminal forever and that's it, close the book, but history doesn't forget his contributions. EPA, OSHA, Clean Air and Water. China. Not a perfect president, but we should all be mildly thankful for a few things.

Dra508
07-17-2015, 01:47 PM
Arianna Speaks (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/a-note-about-our-coverage-of-donald-trumps-campaign_55a8fc9ce4b0896514d0fd66)

Huffpo Refuses to Cover Donald Trump (http://www.businessinsider.com/huffington-post-refuses-to-cover-donald-trump-2015-7)

I sort of don't agree with this. Leave Trump in the political coverage so that we readers and voters can get more annoyed with his and a bunch of other pols or wannabe candidates shenanigans. Then maybe you'll answer a poll that puts them in the cellar or don't donate money to add fuel to the asinine fire they try to create.

I was in a book store yesterday and I swear, I think every candidate has a book in the politics section. All their faces staring back at me from the shelf. Aiiiiggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh

cynicmuse
07-19-2015, 12:52 AM
Trump may have stuck his foot (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/us/politics/trump-belittles-mccains-war-record.html) in his mouth in a semi-permanent fashion by going after McCain's war record. Most of the other candidates denounced him over the remarks, except Ted Cruz who "would not say something bad about Donald Trump." Another interesting point in the article was that the evangelical crowd in Iowa was having some doubts his religion. I think that after more people see him in a debate talking about things other than immigration he'll go away.

Deepvoid
07-20-2015, 06:22 PM
I completely agree that after the first debate, he'll be done. Over/under the number of times he calls another candidate "dumb" during the debate?

Sutekh
07-22-2015, 11:51 AM
You can't buy a distinguished service history, so he has to criticise it somehow

I'm guessing most repubs aren't the veteran bashing type... so really how well can he serve their interests if he's that wide of the mark. And if that's what he thinks of McCain, what must he think of the man on the street

Dead in the water

allegro
07-22-2015, 12:04 PM
Dunno, remember the George W Bush vs. John Kerry? Bush, who never served in Vietnam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_military_service_controversy) (or any war), went after Kerry's Vietnam record, especially since Kerry became a vocal anti-war opponent when he returned from the war. People forgot that Kerry SERVED IN THE WAR, WAS ACTUALLY THERE. The dirt that Bush's team dug up was later found to be a bunch of bullshit; nearly all of Kerry's former crewmates have defended Kerry's war record. Kerry was a Vietnam war veteran; Bush didn't go because his family bought his way out. Bush's PR team smeared Kerry's war record. Bush won the election.

We also elected a Hollywood actor who appeared in a picture called "Bedtime for Bonzo." Twice.

Trump is actually starting to scare me. I can't believe people are taking his bait; hook, line and sinker; there really are THAT many stupid Americans. Although, G guessed this morning that Trump is to the Republicans what Bernie Sanders is to the Democrats: The "we're really fucking sick of this same old shit" candidate.

Deepvoid
07-22-2015, 01:15 PM
His polling numbers are baffling but you have to look at the other numbers too.
Trump has the highest unfavorable rating amongst all GOP candidates (41% in latest poll). Every poll has him #1 in that category despite the fact that he is leading in the voting intentions.
So there is mixed signals. I wouldn't worry too much at this point. The first caucuses are in February. Long way to go.

I truly believe that, once they start downsizing the field, Trump is going to vanish slowly but surely.

Sutekh
07-22-2015, 01:22 PM
I thought bedtime for bonzo was funny... do I have to throw out my dead Kennedys records now

cynicmuse
07-23-2015, 05:32 AM
You can't buy a distinguished service history, so he has to criticise it somehow

I'm guessing most repubs aren't the veteran bashing type... so really how well can he serve their interests if he's that wide of the mark. And if that's what he thinks of McCain, what must he think of the man on the street

Dead in the water
Trump performed an even more presidential act (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trump-gives-out-lindsey-grahams-cell-phone-number-120414.html) by giving out Senator Lindsey Graham's cell phone number after the senator told him to "stop being a jackass" (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sen-lindsey-graham-to-donald-trump-stop-being-a-jackass/). That is not how diplomacy works.

Sutekh
07-23-2015, 11:26 AM
He's in his own world if he thinks that is a play... expect to see some skeletons tumbling out of his closet soon

Deepvoid
07-23-2015, 12:12 PM
He's in his own world if he thinks that is a play... expect to see some skeletons tumbling out of his closet soon

He's been in his own world since coming down that escalator if you ask me.

We've been salivating at the idea of a packed GOP clown car since the beginning of the primaries. They decided to bring the whole freak show.
The thing with Trump is that no other candidates can get their message across anymore. The media is only covering Trump. When is the last time you heard about Carson, Huckabee or Cruz?
First debate in two weeks. Tic-Toc ..

GulDukat
07-23-2015, 01:38 PM
So now Trump may run as a third-party candidate? Since Clinton's poll numbers could be better in potential match--ups against Bush and the other top tier candidates, this isn't such a bad thing.

Deepvoid
07-26-2015, 01:34 PM
Trump is speaking his mind and people seem to like it.
Looks like the other candidates will start doing the same thing.

Huckabee on the Iran deal:
“By doing so, he [Obama] will take the Israelis and march them to the door of the oven.”

Damn!

GulDukat
07-26-2015, 07:36 PM
Trump is speaking his mind and people seem to like it.
Looks like the other candidates will start doing the same thing.

Huckabee on the Iran deal:
“By doing so, he [Obama] will take the Israelis and march them to the door of the oven.”

Damn!
Trump is a demigod and an opportunist.

Deepvoid
07-27-2015, 08:57 PM
Someone is doing the raping. It was Trump after all! (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/27/ex-wife-donald-trump-made-feel-violated-during-sex.html)

orestes
07-27-2015, 09:08 PM
Someone is doing the raping. Is was Trump after all! (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/27/ex-wife-donald-trump-made-feel-violated-during-sex.html)


Michael Cohen, special counsel at the Trump Organization, defended his boss, saying, "You're talking about the front-runner for the GOP, presidential candidate, as well as private individual who never raped anybody. And, of course, understand by that very definition, you can't rape your spouse."

Uggggggggh, go fuck yourself.

edit: I like how Trump's M.O. even twenty years ago was to call people losers and unattractive; i.e. not nearly as successful as him.

Khrz
07-27-2015, 09:25 PM
I found the article confusing regarding the chronology of the comments... Who is Cohen talking to, and when did that happen ? Is he threatening the writer of that piece, are those comments 30 years old... ?
Edit : Nevermind, my reading skills are up to par at 4 a.m. Cohen expressly threatens the person interviewing him for the piece.

Nevertheless, profoundly revolting, if not quite surprising as far as I'm concerned.

orestes
07-27-2015, 09:29 PM
Cohen was threatening The Daily Beast.

Khrz
07-27-2015, 09:32 PM
"Not emotionally satisfied" is such a nice way to present it...

Next time I rob a gas station, I'll say the owner wasn't "quite content with the transaction".

DigitalChaos
07-28-2015, 10:09 PM
Sanders' stance on immigration is so fucking bad. He is right next to Trump on that topic. Worse, he straw man's a huge portion of people working on immigration reform as a "Koch brothers plot."
http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/28/on-immigration-bernie-sanders-sounds-lik

allegro
07-29-2015, 03:33 PM
Sanders' stance on immigration is so fucking bad. He is right next to Trump on that topic. Worse, he straw man's a huge portion of people working on immigration reform as a "Koch brothers plot."
http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/28/on-immigration-bernie-sanders-sounds-lik

his stance on immigration "is complicated" (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-and-immigration-its-complicated-119190.html)

telee.kom
08-04-2015, 06:19 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/03/poll-trump-crushes-bush-and-walker-combined-favorability-rockets-to-52/

Deepvoid
08-04-2015, 06:37 AM
I bet you $10 Trump adds his face to Mount Rushmore if he's elected POTUS.

elevenism
08-04-2015, 07:31 AM
So, only fifteen months!

Honestly, i can't BELIEVE that people are taking trump seriously as a candidate.

He's more celebrity than politician, and he's a total asshole! How in the hell can he be LEADING in the polls?!

Does this mean that like, Jay-Z could run?

That being said, i can't WAIT to see him in the debates. Scratch that...i can't wait to see the Republican debates BECAUSE of him.

He is fearless. He is gaff proof because he is already a walking gaff! So he can say anything! And he will!

I can't wait to hear the crazy shit he says, but more than that, i can't wait to see how the other nine respond.

I wish the debate was just trump provoking each candidate and the candidate's reaction, one after another.

Khrz
08-04-2015, 08:51 AM
Does this mean that like, Jay-Z could run?

You've had Ronald Reagan as a president and Arnold Shwarzenegger as a governor. All bets are off.

I'm worried about Trump. I don't think he has a chance, I believe he's reaching a glass ceiling when it comes to supporters. They are vocal right now, but I don't think he has any room for expansion left.
But politics and political communication has been dirty, nasty even for a good while now, and I'm worried this might be the new trend in trash politics. Gather attention and support by being an outrageous asshat, and fuck realism. Why make realistic plans and thought-out speeches when you're getting ten times the attention and interest by saying you should ban all immigrants/jail all bankers ?

Dra508
08-04-2015, 12:06 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/03/poll-trump-crushes-bush-and-walker-combined-favorability-rockets-to-52/Seriously, Breitbart?

Sarah K
08-04-2015, 01:27 PM
I'd vote for Hova over most of these dorks.

Deepvoid
08-04-2015, 06:18 PM
In the first debate:

Trump
Walker
Bush
Carson
Huckabee
Cruz
Paul
Christie
Rubio
Kasich

Dra508
08-04-2015, 09:36 PM
No Perry? HA

onthewall2983
08-06-2015, 04:44 AM
I'd vote for Hova over most of these dorks.

I'd vote for Joe Walsh.

elevenism
08-06-2015, 01:06 PM
i can't fucking wait for tonight :)

GulDukat
08-06-2015, 04:04 PM
No Perry? HA
I read that too, but he's there.

ETA, that was the "happy hour" debate.

Deepvoid
08-07-2015, 08:51 AM
What a shame. It wasn't broadcast in Canada.
The live stream from Skynews was taken down for copyright infringement.

Is it me or does Trump keep saying the same things over and over again. "We're losers, we're stupid". "China is beating us".
Even had to dig up an old feud with Rosie.

I get that people dig the whole "say what's on your mind" thing but it doesn't take a genius to see that there's no substance to Trump.

Sarah K
08-07-2015, 08:58 AM
I couldn't get the debate to load for anything.

binaryhermit
08-08-2015, 10:38 PM
This explains a lot... http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/08/politics/donald-trump-campaign-roger-stone/index.html
For those who don't know, in 2008, Roger Stone was behind an anti-Hitlery PAC called Citizens United Not Timid.

Deepvoid
08-09-2015, 06:18 PM
I said it before and will say it again, Trump will make the GOP implode. Look at what's happening with Fox and now RedState/Erikson feud. It's only been a couple months and the establishment voters are at war with the far-right base with Trump supporters in the middle, trashing everyone who says something bad about their man.

Erik Erikson said he had to move his family out his hotel because he was getting threats and whatnot.

When one of your top conservative pundit is getting pummeled, you know the shit has hit the fan.

And there's still a year left...

GulDukat
08-09-2015, 06:44 PM
Trump is STILL leading in the polls.

As a Clinton supporter, I couldn't be happier.

allegro
08-10-2015, 04:14 PM
Yeah, Trump's latest comments even has Carly Fiorina going after him.

I wish we had a Clinton v. Fiorina race. That'd be awesome.

Baphomette
08-11-2015, 05:43 PM
http://fusion.net/story/179831/presidential-candidate-martin-omalley-slams-feds-immigrant-family-detention/

I'm going with this guy.

allegro
08-11-2015, 07:59 PM
http://fusion.net/story/179831/presidential-candidate-martin-omalley-slams-feds-immigrant-family-detention/

I'm going with this guy.
Me, too!!! Awesome!!

elevenism
08-11-2015, 11:59 PM
there's too much. i can't even begin to discuss all this. i still need time to process it.

I can tell you that Rand Paul is out. I imagined one of those buzzers from a reality show when he started talking shit about NSA spying.
BAAAAAAAAAAA. With the big X. You're out.

One thing i noticed is that some of these "republicans" are pretty goddamn liberal. Did you guys catch that?

Deepvoid
08-12-2015, 08:33 AM
Trump just came out saying that he would fight black lives matter protesters to prevent them from getting his mic.
Called Bernie disgusting and weak for leaving the stage when he got interrupted.

allegro
08-12-2015, 08:09 PM
Trump just came out saying that he would fight black lives matter protesters to prevent them from getting his mic.
Called Bernie disgusting and weak for leaving the stage when he got interrupted.

I don't think The Donald has anything to worry about, LOL.

emptydesk
08-12-2015, 10:08 PM
The GOP does not matter, they do not care about this election cycle.

Sanders is a very nice man, but this is Hillary's election to lose. No Obamas, Cory Booker can't run until he comes out.

Sarah K
08-13-2015, 09:36 AM
BOOKER/DE BLASIO 2024!

I just registered as a member of a party for the first time. Feels weird.

playwithfire
08-16-2015, 10:22 AM
Gaaaaah, I ADORE Cory Booker.

Deepvoid
08-22-2015, 08:52 AM
Trump is now beating Cruz is in own state of Texas. He's also just 5 points shy of Hillary if he was to get the nomination.

Are we witnessing history in the making? The Trump family in the WH?

elevenism
08-22-2015, 03:49 PM
Annnnnd...everything makes sense. The army hiring internment specialists. The military movement. Trump wants to hunt down illegal aliens nazi fucking germany style and I'm scared he could win...in which case we MIGHT be talking civil war.

elevenism
08-22-2015, 03:52 PM
Also who the fuck is Booker. I am so tired of using this phone to try to interweb. I'm missing everything

DigitalChaos
08-22-2015, 08:59 PM
https://i.imgur.com/NI6DSf5.jpg

thevoid99
08-22-2015, 09:14 PM
Please, please, please, please.... I don't want Donald Trump to become President.

allegro
08-22-2015, 11:59 PM
https://i.imgur.com/NI6DSf5.jpg

Oh holy crap.

Baphomette
08-23-2015, 12:06 AM
Why are people so worried about that clown? The GOP will not nominate him. Sheesh.

allegro
08-23-2015, 12:14 AM
Why are people so worried about that clown? The GOP will not nominate him. Sheesh.

That doesn't mean I can't be creeped out by those fucking weirdos at that Trump rally. *shudder* LOOK AT THAT CRAZY CHICK HOLDING THE BABY!

I can't believe these idiots are getting excited over a real estate mogul.

REAL ESTATE. YEAHHHHHHHHH. KISS MY BABY, DONALD.

Baphomette
08-23-2015, 12:20 AM
That doesn't mean I can't be creeped out by those fucking weirdos at that Trump rally. *shudder* LOOK AT THAT CRAZY CHICK HOLDING THE BABY!Of course not. It IS creepy. I meant people in general, not you specifically.


The army hiring internment specialists.They've been recruiting those for years (http://www.wnd.com/2009/08/106304/).

GulDukat
08-23-2015, 05:18 AM
https://i.imgur.com/NI6DSf5.jpg
Ugh.

We'll just see where this goes. He has a ceiling, in terms of his support. I hope he is the Rebublican nominee, it would all but guarantee a Democratic victory.

elevenism
08-23-2015, 05:22 AM
Why are people so worried about that clown? The GOP will not nominate him. Sheesh.

I said a few weeks ago that I would bet my LIFE that he wouldn't be nominated. But I'm starting to wonder. Look at his momentum. No one else is coming close. People are interested in him. ..lots of people. He has the fucking Mic. This is starting to feel like right wing 07 obama. Also as far as the camps, who's to say that deportation hasn't been a long term plan? I'm not saying it's probable, but it is possible. And since I'm the resident conspiracy theorist, I will go ahead and say what I'm thinking: it would ignite a civil war. They wouldn't call it that, but that's what it would be. And that would be EXACTLY the kind of thing that certain people would LOVe to use to pass bills way more fucked up than the patriot act.

Nyx
08-23-2015, 01:15 PM
Here in Slovenia (where Trump's wife is from) we are strangely uncomfortable observing this, because for once, we hope no one mentions our small insignificant country and if they do, we hope they confuse it with Slovakia... Just..ugh.

Jinsai
08-23-2015, 03:11 PM
That doesn't mean I can't be creeped out by those fucking weirdos at that Trump rally. *shudder* LOOK AT THAT CRAZY CHICK HOLDING THE BABY!

I can't stop laughing at that picture. I look away for a second, try to contain myself, and then look back and I can't keep it together.
Yeah, it's terrifying, but so priceless.

slave2thewage
08-24-2015, 02:47 PM
Christ, it's like she's offering up her baby as a sacrifice.

I'm pretty sure that international relations with pretty much every other country are going tits-up if Trump gets in.

DigitalChaos
08-24-2015, 03:32 PM
Christ, it's like she's offering up her baby as a sacrifice.

http://i.imgur.com/dO9cIt9.jpg

DigitalChaos
08-24-2015, 03:38 PM
And, for the record, I don't give any merit to the Trump situation. I just find the pictures funny as hell. It also makes me disappointed in humans. Also, it actually reminded me a bit of an Obama crowd picture I once saw.


The Trump thing is about the circus. I'd bet good money that he is just riding the attention until the election cycle hits another phase. The guy thrives on polarizing people and getting hate. This is good for his brand. The best he can hope for is a Sarah Palin type run.

But... there is a small part of me that would enjoy him being president. It would bring energy back to the left (remember the Bush years?) and reunify them on topics that matter instead of this silly liberal vs progressive rift that is forming on the dumbest shit possible.

Jinsai
08-24-2015, 03:51 PM
But... there is a small part of me that would enjoy him being president. It would bring energy back to the left (remember the Bush years?)

oh yeah! The Bush Years! That was fucking swell! Nothing brightens my day like reminiscing about the Bush Years!

DigitalChaos
08-24-2015, 03:54 PM
oh yeah! The Bush Years! That was fucking swell! Nothing brightens my day like reminiscing about the Bush Years!
This is EXACTLY my point :)

DF118
08-24-2015, 04:32 PM
Trump's chances would be over if someone tore that fucking stupid toupee from his head, while camera's were rolling. Do you think it's possible that Donald Trump's toupee is running for president without him? A cruel, gnostic puppet-master that's long since supplanted itself as "Trump"? While Donald's own shuttered-in consciousness watches, desperate to be recognized through some kind of sad paralysis?


This picture needs more exposure, from Trump's visit to Scotland in 2012.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/25/article-0-12C341E8000005DC-981_306x493.jpg

Nyx
08-24-2015, 05:09 PM
Ah, but it's not a toupee, you see, it's an elaborate combover.
Which is even worse, somehow.

DF118
08-24-2015, 05:12 PM
Ah, but it's not a toupee, you see, it's an elaborate combover.
Which is even worse, somehow.

You're getting into Lovecraftian territory, there.

orestes
08-24-2015, 05:46 PM
I love how he's been wearing trucker hats on the campaign stump to look more "folksy".

orestes
08-24-2015, 06:26 PM
Oh holy crap.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNB0J3MWwAAdSt8.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNB0MCmW8AA_rW_.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNB0OCKWEAE0HBm.jpg

DF118
08-24-2015, 06:27 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNB0J3MWwAAdSt8.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNB0MCmW8AA_rW_.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNB0OCKWEAE0HBm.jpg

This is how he passes on his "essence".

slave2thewage
08-24-2015, 06:32 PM
This is how he passes on his "essence".

I thought the opposite - he's sucking the "lifeforce" from that infant so he may have another decade or so on this planet. He's existed in many guises - Napoleon, Hitler, Hillary Duff - but they all must feed.

elevenism
08-24-2015, 08:46 PM
This is how he passes on his "essence".

Oh my dear God I can't stop laffing. :)

Jinsai
08-24-2015, 10:14 PM
Am I the only person reading that sign as "Thank you Jesus, for Lord President Trump?"

If you approach it from a color coordinated perspective, it's kind of screaming that. Or is this already obvious?

sentient02970
08-25-2015, 06:19 AM
I have no idea what's going on in that picture but Jesus Year Zero Christ!

Sarah K
08-25-2015, 09:21 AM
Also who the fuck is Booker. I am so tired of using this phone to try to interweb. I'm missing everything

Cory Booker is a pretty fucking rad Senator from New Jersey. Obama offered him a position in 2009, but he declined, stating that he wanted to fulfill his obligation to Newark(he was the mayor at the time).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Booker

Dra508
08-26-2015, 05:24 PM
Jorge Ramos from Univision got thrown out of a Trump press conference, then had his own mic drop outside the room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhZEPmchxCU

I guess I shouldn't be surprised how arrogant, offensive, and presumptuous folks can be. I blame their parents.....


Trump needs to just go away - he's sucking all the air out of the room.

allegro
08-26-2015, 07:59 PM
That's just disgusting, ugh.

GulDukat
08-26-2015, 08:53 PM
Did you see his latest remarks about Asians?

thevoid99
08-26-2015, 10:13 PM
Jorge Ramos from Univision got thrown out of a AssfaceMoneybagsAssfaceMoneybagsAssfaceMoneybagsAs sfaceMoneybagsAssfaceMoneybags press conference, then had his own mic drop outside the room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhZEPmchxCU

I guess I shouldn't be surprised how arrogant, offensive, and presumptuous folks can be. I blame their parents.....


AssfaceMoneybagsAssfaceMoneybagsAssfaceMoneybagsAs sfaceMoneybagsAssfaceMoneybags needs to just go away - he's sucking all the air out of the room.

That does it. As someone who is Hispanic and whose parents are from Central America. I'm going to the polls next year and make fucking sure that fucking pendejo Donald AssfaceMoneybagsAssfaceMoneybagsAssfaceMoneybagsAs sfaceMoneybagsAssfaceMoneybags gets his ass out of this fucking country. He and his supporters crossed the fucking line. I try not to get myself involved with politics as I don't have much faith in democratic process. Now, AssfaceMoneybagsAssfaceMoneybagsAssfaceMoneybagsAs sfaceMoneybagsAssfaceMoneybags made it personal for myself and mi familia. That puta bitch will die.

DF118
08-26-2015, 10:59 PM
Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags.

...

Nice word filter.

Baphomette
08-26-2015, 11:03 PM
That does it.Really? It took this long to wake you up? Better late than never, I guess. ;)

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/71/5b/31/715b31aa6b66d7afba8bc8d033ac9002.jpg

DigitalChaos
08-26-2015, 11:09 PM
That does it. As someone who is Hispanic and whose parents are from Central America. I'm going to the polls next year
You'll have more influence if you vote in the primaries, which probably means you need to register as a republican (depending on your states). Just sayin. I frequently change my registration just for this purpose.

thevoid99
08-26-2015, 11:11 PM
I'm voting as an independent though I know Georgia is a huge conservative state.

DigitalChaos
08-26-2015, 11:23 PM
I'm voting as an independent though I know Georgia is a huge conservative state.
I don't know how GA works, but over here in CA... I can register as GOP, vote in the GOP primary to try and swing the winner in a way I want, then vote in the final election outside of the GOP ticket.

Dra508
08-27-2015, 08:13 AM
Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags.

...

Nice word filter.Awesome. I haven't seen a word filter here since..... I can't even remember. lol*



*fail


EDIT: Maybe pendejo or puta bitch would be more appropriate word filter today and honor thevoid99 for going out to the polls. Get some of your friends there too. Vote early, vote often.

Deepvoid
08-30-2015, 11:47 AM
Scott Walker wants to build a wall between Canada and the US. (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/30/scott-walker-canada-border-wall-immigration-terrorists)

I think it's just a matter of time before a GOP candidate proposes to build a dome on the US.

Exocet
08-30-2015, 07:59 PM
Every up coming election around the world seems so radical at the moment, U.S is a classic example of what is happening everywhere.
This sort of protest vote.. Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags........on the Hardcore Right ...Bernie Sanders on the Far Left. The more traditional (other than her gender) reserved candidates of recent years like Hillary Clinton are boring the shit out of everyone.
In France there is Marine Le Penn on the Far Right, Syriza in Greece, in Britain we have a guy making serious waves...Ultra Left hardcore socalist...Jeremy Corbyn.

People seem to be looking for someone extreme everywhere..I cant pinpoint whats brought this thinking about in the world?

Timinator
08-30-2015, 08:13 PM
Scott Walker wants to build a wall between Canada and the US. (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/30/scott-walker-canada-border-wall-immigration-terrorists)
I think it's just a matter of time before a GOP candidate proposes to build a dome on the US.Seen on Twitter: with all this talk of building massive walls, isn't anyone worried about offending God, Tower-of-Babel-style?

Deepvoid
08-30-2015, 09:57 PM
Kanye West just announced he would be running for POTUS in 2020.

Whether he was kidding or not... Only Kanye knows.
This all Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags's fault.

Dra508
08-31-2015, 08:13 AM
Kanye West just announced he would be running for POTUS in 2020.

Whether he was kidding or not... Only Kanye knows.
This all Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags's fault.I'm declaring my candidacy. It's Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags's fault.

Deepvoid
08-31-2015, 09:09 AM
I'm declaring my candidacy. It's Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags's fault.

My point is that any celebritiy with an ego as big as Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags, which clearly includes Kanye, will now think they have a shot at becoming POTUS since Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags is doing so well in the polls.
Why wouldn't Kanye think he can poll as good as Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags?

It's clear you don't need to have a background in politics to qualified for office in the US.
The top two GOP candidate are a Reality TV host and a surgeon. Just say some random bullshit and outrageous statements and people will support you.

**edit**

As I was saying... Hulk Hogan wants to be Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags's VP. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/29/hulk-hogan-i-want-be-Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybagss-running-mate-vice-pres/)

onthewall2983
08-31-2015, 09:40 AM
Nice bit of word filtering, but may I suggest just paring it down to just 1 MoneybagsAssface? Makes reading this stuff a bit incomprehensible.

aggroculture
08-31-2015, 10:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs

Dra508
08-31-2015, 10:45 AM
It's clear you don't need to have a background in politics to qualified for office in the US.
The top two GOP candidate are a Reality TV host and a surgeon. Just say some random bullshit and outrageous statements and people will support you.

Actually what's clear is that egomaniacs think it's ok to distract from the American democratic process, that money, asshattery, and quick emotion are making a mockery of an electoral process that has mostly worked. I'm starting to think we should limit the length of time that campaigning is allowed. Not as short as some parliamentary republics have done. I recall one that was turned around in a week, can't remember the country. But something that gets this foolishness away. Bernie Sanders is at least a legitimate candidate, been a politician for years, has his own POV that might not be shared by a majority, but could possibly get RATIONAL ENGAGEMENT by the voters. People are angry, but they can't even articulate why. If I see another conservative voter yelling about government spending, and then having their hand out for disaster relief, Imma gonna scream.

/rant.

allegro
08-31-2015, 11:28 AM
a Reality TV host
Not to defend him, but he's not a reality TV host, the guy has been well-known (and infamous) in American real estate since the 70s. His NYC tower was built in 1983 (I've been in it several times, it's grand, LOL). He has another one in Chicago. The TV host thing didn't come until WAY later and only happened BECAUSE of his career in real estate development (and casinos).

This isn't the first time this has happened, though. See, for instance, Ross Perot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot).

There was also Ronald Reagan, who was the Governor of California (many Governors became Presidents), but who was also a Hollywood actor. (Ahnold can't run for President because he wasn't born in the U.S.)

onthewall2983
08-31-2015, 11:37 AM
Yeah, but he was in politics for a long long time by the time he was elected. He ran a couple of times in the 60's, and failed miserably.

skullboy0
08-31-2015, 12:19 PM
As I was saying... Hulk Hogan wants to be Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags's VP. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/29/hulk-hogan-i-want-be-Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybagss-running-mate-vice-pres/)

http://i315.photobucket.com/albums/ll480/skullboy0/AD05F560-DB93-499B-941C-60B3BC1B22B3.jpg

Jinsai
08-31-2015, 03:55 PM
Every up coming election around the world seems so radical at the moment, U.S is a classic example of what is happening everywhere.
This sort of protest vote.. Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags........on the Hardcore Right ...Bernie Sanders on the Far Left. The more traditional (other than her gender) reserved candidates of recent years like Hillary Clinton are boring the shit out of everyone.
In France there is Marine Le Penn on the Far Right, Syriza in Greece, in Britain we have a guy making serious waves...Ultra Left hardcore socalist...Jeremy Corbyn.

People seem to be looking for someone extreme everywhere..I cant pinpoint whats brought this thinking about in the world?

The direct line of sensationalist bullshit and the concept of political issues being reduced to the sort of mindless loyal affiliation you'd expect from someone defending their hometown football team is tough to track. Most people trying to make a deeply felt point about politics wind up being about as sensible as someone trying to explain why The Patriots totally ARE the best football team, even though they're losing, they're the best. THE BEST. Everyone else sucks but The Patriots! Fuck the haters! Woo hoooooooo. If the Patriots are losing, it's not the team's fault!!!!

That's what I think political involvement consists of for the average American, and the easiest and most direct (best!) way to appeal to the average fucking idiot is by being as "extreme" as possible.

Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags is the Honey Boo Boo of presidential candidates... and every fucking moron in the country is loving it and thinking he's so great and entertaining, and it's going to be just hilarious until either people are somehow woken up to the truly tragic fuck that he is, or he actually gets elected and starts World War III.

allegro
08-31-2015, 04:34 PM
The sad thing is that he just represents "The Voice of Reason" for a lot of Americans out there, and he knows that he is just telling them what they want to hear, shit that is music to their fearful ears, because they are afraid that immigrants are taking over this country and that China is going to ruin this country and dumb shit like that, and they love to hear Nationalist bullshit like "make this country GREAT again" and they think that everyday same-old "politicians" are wrecking things but a SUCCESSFUL AMERICAN CAPITALIST BUSINESSMAN like him ... HE CAN FIX THINGS!!

DigitalChaos
08-31-2015, 04:44 PM
The sad thing is that he just represents "The Voice of Reason" for a lot of Americans out there, and he knows that he is just telling them what they want to hear

welcome to almost every political candidate EVER.
You think Sanders doesnt fit that? Of course, if you like Sanders, then you will refuse to admit it. Same as if you like Truump

allegro
08-31-2015, 05:32 PM
welcome to almost every political candidate EVER.
You think Sanders doesnt fit that? Of course, if you like Sanders, then you will refuse to admit it. Same as if you like Truump
Well, but Sanders is only fitting a small "Socialist" demographic and of course he is doing that; hardly anything he says he can actually accomplish, not with a Republican-controlled Congress. It's just lip service.

It doesn't matter if they were always a politician or they just became a politician; they're all full of shit.

Like I said that G said, about 5 pages ago: Truump is to disillusioned Republicans what Sanders is to disillusioned Democrats.

Remember this guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPIVI0CbCmg

He financially helped out this guy:

http://archive.fortune.com/assets/i2.cdn.turner.com/money/galleries/2009/fortune/0906/gallery.steve_jobs_career_timeline.fortune/images/1987_jobs_with_perot.jpg

He was known for founding this company (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Data_Systems). He ran for President in 1992 and in 1996.

DigitalChaos
08-31-2015, 06:34 PM
There is not a damn thing in your post I can disagree with. In fact, I love it. So I'll add to it:
This goes right alongside "Commonsense <fill in the blank> legislation" rhetoric too. That shit almost never follows common sense and only follows popular opinion of a subset of voters.

DigitalChaos
08-31-2015, 06:38 PM
Perot was either really good and/or his run was at the right time in history. He did really well for an independent of our current time.

onthewall2983
09-01-2015, 08:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=424&amp;v=eCSnWL3Der0

DigitalChaos
09-02-2015, 12:04 AM
^ oh god, Sanders believes the whole "gun show loophole" bullshit? christ...

edit: This is not a comment on his views on gun control but rather his willingness to parrot intentionally dishonest partisan rhetoric.


fyi - there no "gun show loophole." There is nothing legally special about gun shows. What they are referring to is the lack of regulation on ALL private transfers of guns... on the internet, in person, at gun shows, etc. Licensed firearms dealers make up the majority of sales at gun shows and they all have to run background checks just like when they are outside a gun show. Why people don't call this the "private sale loophole" is probably because they are only interested in damaging gun shows instead of placing meaningful regulation on the entire scope of private sales.

cynicmuse
09-02-2015, 03:29 AM
So CNN has changed (http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/01/politics/cnn-debate-criteria-amendment/) the qualifications for their debate because there weren't enough polls between the previous debate and the upcoming debate. If the candidate makes it into the top ten for a poll between the two debates, said candidate will be in the debate. I think that this translates into Fiorina making it into the debate.

Jinsai
09-02-2015, 04:28 AM
^ oh god, Sanders believes the whole "gun show loophole" bullshit? christ...

edit: This is not a comment on his views on gun control but rather his willingness to parrot intentionally dishonest partisan rhetoric.


fyi - there no "gun show loophole." There is nothing legally special about gun shows. What they are referring to is the lack of regulation on ALL private transfers of guns... on the internet, in person, at gun shows, etc. Licensed firearms dealers make up the majority of sales at gun shows and they all have to run background checks just like when they are outside a gun show. Why people don't call this the "private sale loophole" is probably because they are only interested in damaging gun shows instead of placing meaningful regulation on the entire scope of private sales.

semantic. bullshit.

If they wanted to go after gun shows, that's what they'd be actually going after. They're using a term because it has traction, and changing it to "private sale loophole" loses that traction. You're venturing into conspiracy theorist territory.

See what happened when they tried to clarify the concept of "global warming" by saying "well, let's actually call it climate change, just for the people who aren't paying attention and are throwing out stupid uninformed arguments."

Why do you care even? I know you want your gun shows, and since this isn't actually planning to shut down anything related to gun shows, but instead actually implement something that is probably a pretty goddamn good idea, why is your biggest problem the wording? My biggest problem with The Patriot Act wasn't that they called it the Patriot Act, it was that it was fucking terrifying. Who cares what they call it if you don't have a problem with the concept? They can call it the "The Air Conditioning Bathtub Act" for all I care.

Whatever. I give up. I don't care. Guns for everyone. Let's talk about something/anything else. Nothing's going to change. Gun laws are going to stay the same, and every month or so some horrible shit is going to happen, and then we get over it, and then it happens again. I guess that's just part of American culture now, and it is uniquely American. But whatever, let's not explore ways to change it, let's just say fuck it, because talking about the issue with gun enthusiasts is like smashing your head against a wall.

DigitalChaos
09-02-2015, 08:24 AM
semantic. bullshit.

If they wanted to go after gun shows, that's what they'd be actually going after. They're using a term because it has traction, and changing it to "private sale loophole" loses that traction. You're venturing into conspiracy theorist territory.

See what happened when they tried to clarify the concept of "global warming" by saying "well, let's actually call it climate change, just for the people who aren't paying attention and are throwing out stupid uninformed arguments."

Why do you care even? I know you want your gun shows, and since this isn't actually planning to shut down anything related to gun shows, but instead actually implement something that is probably a pretty goddamn good idea, why is your biggest problem the wording? My biggest problem with The Patriot Act wasn't that they called it the Patriot Act, it was that it was fucking terrifying. Who cares what they call it if you don't have a problem with the concept? They can call it the "The Air Conditioning Bathtub Act" for all I care.

Whatever. I give up. I don't care. Guns for everyone. Let's talk about something/anything else. Nothing's going to change. Gun laws are going to stay the same, and every month or so some horrible shit is going to happen, and then we get over it, and then it happens again. I guess that's just part of American culture now, and it is uniquely American. But whatever, let's not explore ways to change it, let's just say fuck it, because talking about the issue with gun enthusiasts is like smashing your head against a wall.

I'm quoting every bit of this because your lack of awareness is laughably predictable. You have no idea what you are talking about but will always jump at a chance to defend any sort of gun control without even trying to research it.


Here you go, the bare minimum research possible: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole

Every single bit of federally proposed legislation targets gun shows and only gun shows. Explain how that is just "semantics" of the term. No other private sales are touched by the laws. That's either intentional, or a complete failure to understand the scope of existing private transfer law.

And I've never been to a gun show nor do I plan on going. Again, my issue is about politicians who use blatantly dishonest rhetoric. Meanwhile, people like you don't pause before accepting every bit of it. It's just like Truump supporters. The best part is that you are literally arguing for less gun control just so you can pretend that this is just "semantics."

Jinsai
09-02-2015, 12:09 PM
I've been hearing a lot of talk specifically stressing the need to reform the law to address private gun sales (http://smartgunlaws.org/universal-gun-background-checks-policy-summary/)

Like I said. I don't care anymore.
I'd actually like to hear the gun enthusiasts for once actually propose solutions, and suggest gun control laws they think are reasonable. Instead, all you hear is them decrying every single proposal. The NRA can glibly mock any talk about laws restricting private sales and gun show loopholes, because they know they've got this.

Until you start hearing the pro-gun crowd actually entering the discussion instead of just working to shut it down, nothing's going to change.

DigitalChaos
09-02-2015, 04:20 PM
So then Sanders hasn't caught up with "a lot of talk" that you've been hearing and is still spouting the same old dishonest/incomplete rhetoric from the last decade. My point stands :)

If you want to chat about gun control, i'd recommend the gun talk thread.

allegro
09-02-2015, 04:29 PM
So then Sanders hasn't caught up with "a lot of talk" that you've been hearing and is still spouting the same old dishonest/incomplete rhetoric from the last decade. My point stands :)

If you want to chat about gun control, i'd recommend the gun talk thread.
Dude, I've actually been to gun shows, LOL (they're cheesier than swap meets and there's a lot more shit there than guns, including fur-lined handcuffs). 33 states do not restrict private sales of firearms at gun shows, meaning no background checks or permits are required by those private sellers at those gun shows. That's the "loophole" that people are talking about; those 33 states. Private sales other than gun shows make up, like, zero percent of gun sales except the black market which nobody can trace, anyway.

Dra508
09-02-2015, 04:44 PM
IAgain, my issue is about politicians who use blatantly dishonest rhetoric. Don't you think that is just about ever politician working their position and fitting into the tiny soundbites we all are only capable of hearing these days?

Your head must hurt from banking against a wall on this one.

DigitalChaos
09-02-2015, 05:14 PM
Private sales other than gun shows make up, like, zero percent of gun sales except the black market which nobody can trace, anyway.
I'm calling bullshit on that. There are so many resources (online and offline) to connect private sellers to buyers.
Hell, I got a call from someone in PA who had the wrong number a couple weeks ago. He was looking to do a private gun sale with some dude named Chuck.





Don't you think that is just about ever politician working their position and fitting into the tiny soundbites we all are only capable of hearing these days?

Your head must hurt from banking against a wall on this one.
Sure, most do. You'll find me calling it out quite a bit on here. There are a handful who claim to break away from the partisan bullshit and follow intelligently discussed/researched beliefs. Sanders presents himself as one of them. But hey, if we are all going to say that Sanders is just like every politician out there... then I guess it doesn't matter.


Also, again... when the legislation also matches the "tiny soundbites" ... you can't pretend that its an abbreviation for something much more complex.

allegro
09-02-2015, 06:00 PM
I'm calling bullshit on that. There are so many resources (online and offline) to connect private sellers to buyers.
Hell, I got a call from someone in PA who had the wrong number a couple weeks ago. He was looking to do a private gun sale with some dude named Chuck.
I just read some really big extensive articles in the Chicago Tribune about this. I'll try to find the articles. Private sellers still have to follow the licensing and permit laws of that state.

For instance, in Illinois: http://smartgunlaws.org/private-sales-in-illinois/

It's such a PITA, people just sell to a gun store or some just do it illegally. There was a big article about where gangs are getting guns; since most have felony convictions, they can't have FOID cards so they can't buy from stores or privately so they use strawmen, or they buy black market stolen guns w scraped serial numbers so crimes commited w the guns can't be traced back to them. Really, we need to require even online private sellers to require background checks so that convicted felons (and strawmen) aren't getting these guns.

Bottom line is that Sanders knows this is something that is important to a certain demographic so he is reaching out to that demographic, trying to get their votes. No big surprise, there.

DigitalChaos
09-02-2015, 08:04 PM
Private sellers still have to follow the licensing and permit laws of that state.

exactly! And this requirement exists in and out of gun shows. Any perceived loophole inside a gun show exists within the private sale of guns, and that is a "loophole" that exists EVERYWHERE that private parties sell guns.



I'd be curious in reading the article about gang acquisition of guns if you can find it. That kind of stuff is absolutely fascinating. There is some really interesting stuff surrounding the black market too. Lots of cat & mouse technology related to tracking weapons. There is even an entire line of forensics connected to specific techniques that criminals use to change/remove serial numbers on guns, for instance.




Bottom line is that Sanders knows this is something that is important to a certain demographic so he is reaching out to that demographic, trying to get their votes. No big surprise, there.

aaaaaabsolutely! Sanders seems to present himself as someone above the partisan bullshit though. He also frequently talks about how ideas need to be debated and discussed. So, here I am debating some of his :). If he said "private sale loophole" instead, I wouldn't have taken an issue with it being dishonest. THAT would be something where only semantics come into play (people will debate whether it's a loophole or not). He has a LOT of gun control ideas that I disagree with (like the idea that you should only have guns intended for hunting). This is the only one where I've felt he needs to be called out for deviating from the standard he and his supporters seems to have set for himself.

DigitalChaos
09-02-2015, 08:08 PM
Also, someone should seriously make a http://www.ontheissues.org/ type site, but a list splitting a candidates proposals into a column for what they could actually accomplish under the powers of the president, and a column for things that need to be done through Congress instead. This has always been a problem, but it seems to be much bigger this time around.

Baphomette
09-02-2015, 09:06 PM
The myth of the Presidential Magic Wand drives me bonkers.

DigitalChaos
09-03-2015, 12:05 PM
So, some "hacker" claims to have all of Hillary's sent email. Whoever deleted all her email failed to scrub her sent messages. Whoops! They are trying to sell it for $500k
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/hillary-clinton-hacked-emails-sale/

So, will a GOP hopeful try and purchase these emails? Will they risk the legal consequences around purchasing stollen, and possibly classified, information?

elevenism
09-04-2015, 01:45 AM
Honestly, i can't BELIEVE that people are taking Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags seriously as a candidate.

He's more celebrity than politician, and he's a total asshole! How in the hell can he be LEADING in the polls?!

Does this mean that like, Jay-Z could run?



ANNNNNNNNNND....

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/aug/31/vmas-2015-kanye-west-announces-2020-run-for-us-president-seriously

well...i was close.
It was the OTHER member of Watch the Throne.

:p

So glad to see ben carson gaining on the Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags, and bernie gaining on clinton. I don't believe in reptilian aliens, but if there's ONE of them, it's probably her. :p

binaryhermit
09-06-2015, 02:01 AM
I assume "Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags" is Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags Assface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface MoneybagsAssface Moneybags?

EDIT: I think one "Assface Moneybags" would do the trick

orestes
09-06-2015, 06:21 AM
There's a glitch in the matrix.

DigitalChaos
09-08-2015, 10:01 PM
Holy shit. John Mcafee is running now. GOODBYE TRUUMP

http://www.wired.com/2015/09/john-mcafee-want-run-president/

http://i.imgur.com/Iqt2CAc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/NjK9ZvG.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/7yWQBUn.jpg

allegro
09-08-2015, 10:12 PM
Wait, he says he is THINKING ABOUT running?

Would this mean we would all get free anti-virus software?? :P


But McAfee says he does believe the government is broken, largely because its leaders don’t understand technology as well as, well, he does. He points to the recent hacks of the U.S. Office of Personnel Management and Homeland Security as proof.

“Things like this cannot happen or should not happen,” he says. “It’s clear that the leadership of our country is illiterate on the fundamental technology that supports everything in life for us now, that is cyber science, our smartphones, our military hardware, our communications.”
Oh, yeah, tell me about it, baby.

Jinsai
09-08-2015, 11:19 PM
My friend made this video replacing the audio from the Kim Davis fiasco (featuring an appearance by "candidate" Mike Huckabee), and it's the best and most amazing thing you'll see on the internet today.

http://vmashup.com/TtQANSd4

slave2thewage
09-09-2015, 03:01 AM
my friend made this video replacing the audio from the kim davis fiasco (featuring an appearance by "candidate" mike huckabee), and it's the best and most amazing thing you'll see on the internet today.

http://vmashup.com/ttqansd4

SHRIEKING.

/caps

DF118
09-09-2015, 11:01 AM
Rather hilariously, Survivor have basically told Kim Davis to get fucked. (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/survivor-happy-eye-tiger-kim-davis-rally/story?id=33625236)

Deepvoid
09-09-2015, 11:39 AM
I can't believe some Conservatives are comparing her to MLK. On what fucking planet are those people living on?

***

Lawrence Lessig is the latest candidate on the Democratic side.

DF118
09-09-2015, 06:00 PM
Mike Huckabee just said this:

"If somebody needs to go to jail, I'm willing to go in her place. And I mean that, because I'm tired of watching people being harassed because they believe something of their faith.”

I don't pretend to be an expert on US Law, but isn't it usually the criminal who goes to jail for the crime? Because they did it?

These people are imbeciles. Wait a couple of weeks then throw her back in the slammer.

Deepvoid
09-09-2015, 07:42 PM
You want imbecile, try Sarah Palin. She's gunning for the Department of Energy ... slight problem though.
Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/g1yAEHc6AlA

DF118
09-09-2015, 07:56 PM
You want imbecile, try Sarah Palin. She's gunning for the Department of Energy ... slight problem though.
Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/g1yAEHc6AlA

I'm increasingly convinced she has a serious neurological problem. I wouldn't be surprised if she had a brain tumor.

DigitalChaos
09-09-2015, 08:24 PM
I was expecting to be trolled. He even used the same background as the "how to uninstall Mcafee" video .... but he seems serious!

http://mcafee16.com/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMz6GV3b1ys

DigitalChaos
09-09-2015, 09:31 PM
In addition to Mcafee mentioning his "large underground following" (probably an allusion to hackers willing to manipulate his vote) there is another fun bit of info that will drive certain people nuts: all the Diebold voting machines run Mcafee antivirus. Let the vote manipulation conspiracy theories start!

Deepvoid
09-10-2015, 09:12 AM
So Carson questioned Trump's faith yesterday and Trump hit him back saying Carson was an "ok" doctor, not a great one.

Then Trump had this to say about Carly Fiorina:

“Look at that face!” Trump was quoted as saying in a Rolling Stone interview published on Wednesday.“Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?” he reportedly said while watching a news report about the ex-businesswoman.

Today, Trump specified (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/253186-trump-i-was-talking-about-fiorinas-persona-not-looks) that he was actually talking about her "persona" and not her "look".
Sure Donald ...

I guess he'll get a 3% bump in the polls.

aggroculture
09-10-2015, 01:45 PM
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/273273369d/mexican-donald-trump-runs-for-president?_cc=__d___&_ccid=izo6y6.nuh5ek

thevoid99
09-10-2015, 02:23 PM
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/273273369d/mexican-donald-trump-runs-for-president?_cc=__d___&_ccid=izo6y6.nuh5ek

Ay caramba! That shit is funny.

Deepvoid
09-11-2015, 08:21 AM
Bernie has taken the lead in Iowa and N.H. (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/qpoll-iowa-213462)

**edit**

And we have our first victim. Rick Perry is dropping out of the race.

Sarah K
09-11-2015, 06:16 PM
That Biden/Colbert interview... :(

GulDukat
09-11-2015, 06:25 PM
That Biden/Colbert interview... :(
I just saw that, one of the best interviews that I've ever seen. It was hard not to get misty eyed.

Dra508
09-16-2015, 10:28 PM
No one watched the republican debate? I only caught ten minutes, but was impressed on the amount of folks huddled around the tv in the hotel bar.

Jinsai
09-16-2015, 10:46 PM
No one watched the republican debate? I only caught ten minutes, but was impressed on the amount of folks huddled around the tv in the hotel bar.

The problem is they're all just waiting around for Trump to say something stupid.

I'm not interested in anything any of them have to say at this point. If one of them actually offers an opinion that isn't firmly in line with the lunacy that's come to dominate the Republican party, I'm sure it will make the news.

Though, the sad thing is, I'm sure it'll be one of the candidates lagging in the polls, and the only reason they pulled it out to begin with was to hopefully "trend" in some way.

allegro
09-16-2015, 10:54 PM
I kinda wish Mitt Romney would come back in and try to get rid of Trump.

cynicmuse
09-16-2015, 11:05 PM
No one watched the republican debate? I only caught ten minutes, but was impressed on the amount of folks huddled around the tv in the hotel bar.
The main problem is that it's not a debate. There are too many candidates up there. I'd like to vote Huckabee, Christie, and Rand Paul off the island. A few of them took swipes at Trump; Fiorina was quite successful. Jeb Bush admitted to smoking pot on live TV and followed with a comment that his mother wouldn't be happy. Trump tried to link vaccines to autism and then Carson said that not all vaccines are important and that he supported a delayed vaccine schedule and then a few other tried to turn it into a citizens' rights issue (aka Rand Paul). That shit drives me nuts. I live in SoCal where we've had both whooping cough and measles outbreaks.

Overall, it was better than the last debate. Trump still gave answers that amounted to non-answers, but the others were less hesitant to go after him and they pointed out when he was saying nonsense. It also seems like Jindal is the designated attack dog, since he went after Trump a bunch during the cocktail hour debate.

Edit: I want some of whatever the readers of drudge are taking. Trump is in the lead with 59% of the poll for "who won the debate." Fiorina is in second place with 16%.

DF118
09-16-2015, 11:10 PM
Did any of them actually talk properly about policies?

cynicmuse
09-16-2015, 11:19 PM
Did any of them actually talk properly about policies?
Not really. Just the standard cut all funding to Planned Parenthood, somehow abrogate the Iran deal on candidate's first day in office, and magically remove all undocumented immigrants in a short span of time (that would be Trump). There was also some talk of a flat tax and varying views on the legalization of marijuana (Paul turned that into a state's rights issue again) and drug policy in general.

Edit: I don't expect there to be any true policy talk until there are a fewer number of candidates, probably 3-4. Then, there is sufficient time for an actual debate.

Jinsai
09-16-2015, 11:22 PM
The main problem is that it's not a debate. There are too many candidates up there. I'd like to vote Huckabee, Christie, and Rand Paul off the island. A few of them took swipes at Trump; Fiorina was quite successful. Jeb Bush admitted to smoking pot on live TV and followed with a comment that his mother wouldn't be happy. Trump tried to link vaccines to autism and then Carson said that not all vaccines are important and that he supported a delayed vaccine schedule and then a few other tried to turn it into a citizens' rights issue (aka Rand Paul). That shit drives me nuts. I live in SoCal where we've had both whooping cough and measles outbreaks.

Overall, it was better than the last debate. Trump still gave answers that amounted to non-answers, but the others were less hesitant to go after him and they pointed out when he was saying nonsense. It also seems like Jindal is the designated attack dog, since he went after Trump a bunch during the cocktail hour debate.

Edit: I want some of whatever the readers of drudge are taking. Trump is in the lead with 59% of the poll for "who won the debate." Fiorina is in second place with 16%.

agreed on the anti-vaxx movement. I also live in SoCal, and a friend of mine's son contracted measles. Her situation became a story that got traction and was brought up in a lot of these discussions, and I couldn't believe the insanity the anti-vaxx people were throwing at her. There were people insisting she wasn't a real person, etc etc...

For any "serious" political contender to be catering to that crowd is so bizarre and perhaps the worst sort of pandering.

The only "sane" reason to support a Trump presidency is if you want this partisan bickering shit-show to get 1000x worse.

Deepvoid
09-17-2015, 06:27 AM
This was not a debate.
I was watching TYT, since they were doing live commentary. They nailed it when they said that it was a high school food fight.
Most questions were starting like "Trump said this about you, how would you respond" "Bush made this comment about you, what you would say to him".
This and the fact that it was mostly 3 hours of Republican propaganda. Tapper allowed everyone to lie about the Iran deal, Planned Parenthood etc...
Whoever said Planned Parenthood admitted to felonies, it was a blatant lie.

Trump on foreign policy is a joke. Actually, I still think Trump as the front runner is an even bigger joke but it doesn't look like he's going anywhere. If he is, you end up with Carson, which I actually think is worse.

I had to stop watching after 1h15. I also agree that people need to start dropping out of this race. There's just too many candidates. The whole thing looked like a freak show.
Everything that was said, you could've read on RedState, BreitBart or RightScoop over the past couple months.

GulDukat
09-17-2015, 07:16 AM
Saw the first half and wasn't impressed. Then again, I'd never vote for any Republican.

Archive_Reports
09-17-2015, 08:46 AM
Saw the first half and wasn't impressed. Then again, I'd never vote for any Republican.

This is a problem though, isn't it? Staunchly refusing to vote for a specific party - no matter what and on whichever side - is just divisive and leads to people blindly following based solely on party.

GulDukat
09-17-2015, 09:43 AM
This is a problem though, isn't it? Staunchly refusing to vote for a specific party - no matter what and on whichever side - is just divisive and leads to people blindly following based solely on party.
No, not really. One party is hostile to women's rights, wants to turn medicare into a voucher system, start more wars, etc. and one party doesn't.

allegro
09-17-2015, 10:16 AM
Saw the first half and wasn't impressed. Then again, I'd never vote for any Republican.
Well, I wouldn't FOR PRESIDENT. I vote in a shitload of other elections, though, and this Presidential election is the worst ever, and I've been voting since 1980 (and that one had REAGAN VS CARTER, egad).

I haven't watched ONE of these Republican debates; too much of a shit show, zero interest.

GulDukat
09-17-2015, 10:25 AM
I would also add that the Supreme Court Justices are not getting any younger. Do you really want Jeb Bush, Walker, etc. appointing judges to the Supreme Court? Replace one liberal judge with a conservative and it will spell disaster for years to come.

allegro
09-17-2015, 10:29 AM
Well, it depends. Roberts has actually leaned moderate with several of his last decisions. Kennedy was the tie breaker for gay marriage. And remember that retired Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, the first female Supreme Court Justice, turned out to be a moderate and the swing opinion, was a REAGAN appointee.

I really hope that Joe Biden jumps into the race at some point.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/16/suzanne-fields-joe-biden-might-be-the-right-man-fo/?

Deepvoid
09-17-2015, 12:30 PM
I really hope that Joe Biden jumps into the race at some point.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/16/suzanne-fields-joe-biden-might-be-the-right-man-fo/?

Biden could split the Clinton votes, which would allow Sanders to sneak past them.

allegro
09-17-2015, 01:54 PM
Biden could split the Clinton votes, which would allow Sanders to sneak past them.
I don't think that will be how it works, really. There will be two strong candidates who come out of the early primaries in New Hampshire and Iowa and, ultimately, ONE candidate at that Convention.

allegro
09-18-2015, 09:35 AM
Joe Biden 100% running for President says advisor talking too loud on Amtrak (http://gawker.com/joe-biden-is-100-running-for-president-says-advisor-1731501196)

Sarah K
09-18-2015, 10:11 AM
Oh shit. That would really shake shit up. That would put Hillary in third place for me.

elevenism
09-18-2015, 05:06 PM
I haven't watched ONE of these Republican debates; too much of a shit show, zero interest.
oh but it's SO fucking entertaining!
These motherfuckers.
With Trump at the helm-i've never seen anything like it.

Deepvoid
09-21-2015, 02:30 PM
I don't think that will be how it works, really. There will be two strong candidates who come out of the early primaries in New Hampshire and Iowa and, ultimately, ONE candidate at that Convention.

Indeed, it doesn't look like Sanders would benefit from Biden.
In fact, new CNN national poll (http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/21/politics/hillary-clinton-leads-bernie-sanders-2016/index.html) has Hilary at 42%, Sanders at 24% and Biden at 22%.
If you take Biden out, results are Hilary 57% to Sanders' 28%.

GulDukat
09-21-2015, 03:13 PM
Indeed, it doesn't look like Sanders would benefit from Biden.
In fact, new CNN national poll (http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/21/politics/hillary-clinton-leads-bernie-sanders-2016/index.html) has Hilary at 42%, Sanders at 24% and Biden at 22%.
If you take Biden out, results are Hilary 57% to Sanders' 28%.

Love Sanders, but I never thought he would be the nominee. I've always thought that voters will be pragmatic and vote for a centrist Democrat. But we will see. Looking forward to their first debate.

allegro
09-21-2015, 04:19 PM
Indeed, it doesn't look like Sanders would benefit from Biden.
It's nearly always the two winners in the early primaries that come out on top and then the rest of the time is just those two debating until the convention.

Meanwhile, SCOTT WALKER JUST DROPPED OUT, AND THAT JUST MADE MY DAY, BYE BYE ASSHOLE!!!!

elevenism
09-21-2015, 05:57 PM
So are we really, seriously looking at Trump getting the Republican nod?

How many of us have said we'd "guarantee" or even "bet our lives" that he wouldn't?

It's fucking crazy. I "bet my life" that the trump thing would be over by summer. I heard multiple tv and radio pundits make similar assertions.

Somehow, this terrible bastard is gaffe proof. I really, really don't get it. I mean, he's certainly not Joe the fucking Plumber. It's not like he's the face of the lower or middle class.

There's the fact that he is a political outsider, and there's the racism.

But maybe the sad truth is that people like him because he was on a reality show. And THAT shit bodes pretty damn poorly for the future of this country.

Deepvoid
09-21-2015, 06:51 PM
I still don't think he's going to get the nod.
Walker just dropped out. Who do you think his voters will go now?
If Fiorina drops out, I doubt her voters would go over to Trump.

There's still too many candidates. He is in a good position though. That I'll admit.

allegro
09-21-2015, 07:51 PM
But maybe the sad truth is that people like him because he was on a reality show. And THAT shit bodes pretty damn poorly for the future of this country.
No, they like him for the same reason they liked Romney: He's a successful billionaire and he claims he can use that same business knowledge and use it to "make this country great again." (whatever that means)

As I've already stated in this thread, Trump isn't known for being "on a reality show." Trump is known for being a successful commercial real estate developer, since the early-80s. He owns huge real estate developments, hotels, etc. Fiorina is wrong, Trump never personally filed for bankruptcy; a few of his investments filed for Chapter 11 re-orgs, which is not at all unusual in the business world. See this: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/21/carly-fiorina/trumps-four-bankruptcies/

Here's the Trump Real Estate Portfolio (http://www.trump.com/real-estate-portfolio/) (NOTE THAT HE ONCE OWNED THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING

Here's his portfolio of golf courses (http://www.trump.com/golf/)

His daughter Ivanka is the head of acquisitions and development for her dad's company (http://www.racked.com/2015/1/21/7998507/ivanka-trump-on-working-with-family-and-breaking-into-fashion).

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/J6amYFIRUaM3RX9SfBIKaa5whHE=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3387554/ivanka-trump-2.0.jpg

Trump's also written a lot of books (http://www.trump.com/publications/) (most of his recent books have chapters that are only 2 pages long), including the 1987 bestseller "The Art of the Deal (http://www.amazon.com/Trump-Art-Deal-Donald%20J/dp/0345479173/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/002-2693390-6511246?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192593684&sr=1-3)"

He's such a successful New York businessman, the Clintons were at his third wedding:
http://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.jpg

(I've been in real estate for a long long long time so us real estate geeks know a lot about Trump.)

Piko
09-21-2015, 08:05 PM
I think they like him because he's ballsy. Something candidates lack these days. I don't agree with him on anything. I find his campaign comedic. But, he's leading. He's not pulling punch either. Everyone else just pussy foots around him.

allegro
09-21-2015, 11:39 PM
I have to admit, he cracks me up. Him pointing at Rand Paul at the last debate, "why is HE even here, he only got 2% in the polls" cracks me up.

elevenism
09-22-2015, 04:10 AM
he cracks me up too, and he's not afraid to say ANYTHING.

He came out of the gate saying highly offensive shit.

if only we had a highly visible, balls-to-the walls LEFT wing billionaire with a tv show

I hate to admit that i am more interested in hearing him talk than hearing anyone else in the race.

onthewall2983
09-22-2015, 04:34 AM
And now he's declaring war on Fox News (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-fox-news_5600cfd0e4b08820d919f7f5?ir=Entertainment&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000024). Honestly if he does go all the way with this, it would be funny in a godawful way if he was actually effective as president.

cynicmuse
09-22-2015, 04:47 AM
There's still too many candidates. He is in a good position though. That I'll admit.
And there in lies the problem. If Trump can hold on until the primaries, he has a good shot at winning due to changes that the Republicans made after their last primary season that dragged on forever. It swung Romney to the right and depleted his finances for the main event. This NYT article (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/20/us/new-party-rules-fail-to-speed-up-republican-race.html) describes the changes. It will be a shorter primary and they're also allowing states to give all of the state's votes to anyone who gets 30% of the primary vote. In the current fractured field, Trump could probably do this. Since the party can't seem to get rid of Trump, I wonder if they'll go after the less than 2 percent crowd in an effort to start winnowing the field.

elevenism
09-22-2015, 04:49 AM
I still don't think he's going to get the nod.
Walker just dropped out. Who do you think his voters will go now?
If Fiorina drops out, I doubt her voters would go over to Trump.

There's still too many candidates. He is in a good position though. That I'll admit.

I'm starting to REALLY think that he's gonna get it.
@allegro (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76) , i think that you are vastly overestimating the intellectual capacity of Trump's supporters, and of people in general.
Remember, we are talking about people who consistently vote for candidates who TELL them that they will be enacting policies which will be directly detrimental to their (the voters') well being.

So yeah, some people may like Trump for his business acumen. But i think as many (if not more) people like him because he's a racist asshole, and they too, are racist assholes. Hell, they may not even be assholes. They may just be bigots by default, due to ignorance, geography, and socioeconomic status.

I wish you would come to the texas panhandle and get a load of the majority of the people you meet out here. And they fucking LOVE him ;)http://i.imgur.com/9baybEX.jpg

allegro
09-22-2015, 06:43 AM
He is not the only xenophobic Republican candidate; nearly all of them are (except maybe Jeb). His main message is, "I'm not a politician, I'm a businessman."

Choosing a candidate for his (alleged) business acumen is the same reason people elected George W Bush. "If he can run a business, he can run a country." As Plato said, pretty much all voters are too stupid to vote.

Piko
09-22-2015, 08:37 AM
What's his stance on gay marriage? Haven't heard about that one yet. Does it go hand in hand with his "love" of Mexicans and Muslims. At the end of the day, his ideology is VERY republican. He's just extremely unapologetic about it unlike the other guys who are still clear bigots, but try to at least sugarcoat it. Trump will straight up say what he wants to say. And unfortunately, he seems to be the guy, that breath of fresh air, that Washington needs; not because he would do a good job. But, because he says what he wants to say, and seems like he genuinely means it. You don't see that kind of thing anymore. Now, it's normally fake, uncomfortable smiles, and awkward laughs when either doing something bigoted. Or, avoiding a subject altogether.

If more of candidates showed more backbone, I highly doubt Trump would be as much of a factor. He's a gimmick that feeds off of people wanting change in how things are done, and it's working.

allegro
09-22-2015, 09:19 AM
He's a gimmick that feeds off of people wanting change in how things are done, and it's working.
Exactly. He's always been a Democrat (or, at least, an Independent) up until now (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/donald-trump-election-democrat/).

He's always been pro-LGBT work rights and non-discrimination but he's been against gay marriage, even when he was a Democrat (he's old generation, and old generation are often slow to change, e.g. Bill Clinton). But he's recently said that gay marriage is a "dead issue" since it has already been decided. He was always pro-choice but conveniently changed his stance for this election. Of course. He's not too far from Bernie Sanders re immigration in that he thinks that illegal immigrants are bringing down the overall wages in the U.S. Overall, his main concern is Capitalism, money, and money. And he's ridiculously Nationalist. Yet he's married to a woman born in Slovenia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melania_Trump). His first wife was born in the Czech Republic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivana_Trump).

seasonsinthesky
09-22-2015, 10:26 AM
if only we had a highly visible, balls-to-the walls LEFT wing billionaire with a tv show
Imagine!

ten chars

allegro
09-22-2015, 11:02 AM
And now he's declaring war on Fox News (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-fox-news_5600cfd0e4b08820d919f7f5?ir=Entertainment&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000024). Honestly if he does go all the way with this, it would be funny in a godawful way if he was actually effective as president.

This is just friggin' golden, he's going after O'REILLY?!?!? That's SUITABLE FOR FRAMING!! hahahahahahaaaaaaaa! Ah god I love it.

elevenism
09-22-2015, 07:46 PM
He is not the only xenophobic Republican candidate; nearly all of them are (except maybe Jeb). His main message is, "I'm not a politician, I'm a businessman."

Very true.
but romney didn't have this kind of circus around him, nor did W.
I can't put my finger on what it is about this guy that gets people so fired up.
I guess it's just a perfect combination of things.

All i can figure after you pointing out that all of the candidates are xenophobes is that people feel that if he is elected, it will be FAR from business as usual in washington. And i think that's probably very true in his case. It's kinda the same way i felt about Obama (not gonna fall for THAT shit again though)

People in general, not just gun toting racists, are very sick of business as usual i think.
The thing is, the establishment doesnt let these people NEAR the white house.
But there's gonna come a time when they will either have to, or somehow flat out tell candidates that they can't be nominated.
Because i think we're going to see more and more wildly pobular anti-establishment candidates as the century wears on.

Hell, three of the top four candidates in the country this time around are anti-establishment, with two of them having had no government experience.

DigitalChaos
09-23-2015, 03:11 PM
I have to admit, he cracks me up. Him pointing at Rand Paul at the last debate, "why is HE even here, he only got 2% in the polls" cracks me up.
the best was probably when Rand called him sophomoric and Trump responded with "you're ugly"

Deepvoid
09-24-2015, 11:32 AM
I don't know if we need to thank Scott Walker for that but 4 out of 10 Americans want a wall on the Canadian borders (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/four-in-10-americans-want-wall-on-canadian-border/article26513258/).

That's surprisingly high. This is actually quite depressing. Is this the result of misinformation? Propaganda?
Why would 40% of American want a wall between Canada and the US? That makes little sense to me.

Jinsai
09-24-2015, 11:37 AM
I don't know if we need to thank Scott Walker for that but 4 out of 10 Americans want a wall on the Canadian borders (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/four-in-10-americans-want-wall-on-canadian-border/article26513258/).

That's surprisingly high. This is actually quite depressing. Is this the result of misinformation? Propaganda?
Why would 40% of American want a wall between Canada and the US? That makes little sense to me.

Because they want to justify their reasons for wanting a border wall on the Mexico border, in a "see, I'm not being racist!!!! I've got nothing against Mexicans!" kind of way. Ask that 40% which wall they want to build first.

Deepvoid
09-24-2015, 11:43 AM
Because they want to justify their reasons for wanting a border wall on the Mexico border, in a "see, I'm not being racist!!!! I've got nothing against Mexicans!" kind of way. Ask that 40% which wall they want to build first.

Good point. We know they're gonna point at the south border first. That's for sure.

allegro
09-24-2015, 11:54 AM
There's already a Mexican-American 'wall' being built, but it's high-tech digital (http://gizmodo.com/americas-already-building-a-wall-on-the-mexican-border-1728007994).

GulDukat
09-25-2015, 06:43 AM
A must read:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/22/opinion/joe-nocera-trump-vs-fiorina.html?_r=0

onthewall2983
09-25-2015, 07:34 AM
https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10989470_10156044809480290_8936049774812994983_n.j pg?oh=1c4b547b837ee553eb372512acc9be06&oe=56A5B202

elevenism
09-25-2015, 05:04 PM
i guess this doesn't have much bearing on the election in and of itself, but it speaks to the increasingly divided nature of the GOP: Rep. John Boner is stepping down as Speaker of the House (http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/politics/john-boehner-resigning-as-speaker/)

littlemonkey613
09-25-2015, 06:30 PM
i guess this doesn't have much bearing on the election in and of itself, but it speaks to the increasingly divided nature of the GOP: Rep. John Boner is stepping down as Speaker of the House (http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/politics/john-boehner-resigning-as-speaker/)

Right? okay this proves more than anything that before coming to be more pragmatic and actually trying to win an election outside of cheating (oops i mean jerrymandering) midterms the GOP is going to keep doubling down on the cray until it faces a defeat in 2016 so embarrassing they will have no choice but to actually self examine. I thought they would do this after the last election! This party has been so thoroughly hijacked by the batshit it thought it could rely on to help them win in numbers, im so taken aback by it. They created a monster they cant control.

Fox News is going through the same thing completely at a loss at how to deal with the ensured defeat they created by molding a climate in which there are enough people in your party to actually support Trump or whatever. He may not win the nomination but the loud message his association is sending to moderate America is loud and clear, and tbh most the other candidates don't have views that are too far off from his.. This is why catering to batshit is dangerous... you can't hope to retain control if they choose to turn on you.

Yes they are loud, yes there are enough of them to cause serious concern for anyone less mean and smart who lives in this country, but no they simply do not have the numbers to win a presidency. The conservative/ moderate white vote is simply not enough to win. I just feel so fucking bad for anyone who lives in states where they are represented and governed by nutjobs. *insert prayer emoji

What a shit show.

allegro
09-25-2015, 09:56 PM
I've been watching CNN and all kinds of local Pope coverage on and off all day, and apparently (seriously), Boehner had tried to get a Pontiff to address Congress for more than 20 years; and then yesterday, it happened, for the first time in history, and then Boehner had a personal audience with the Pope ... not just the Pope but THIS Pope, Francis, who is a really cool dude (and whom a lot of the Republicans in Congress treated with cold disdain) and this Pope (according to a few guys at CNN who spoke to Boehner directly after his meeting with Pope Francis) had a huge affect on Boehner, and the CNN guys said they knew then it was obvious that Boehner was a changed man.

Also, political strategists are saying that no government shutdown is now possible because Boehner "fell on his sword."

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/boehner-falls-on-his-sword-but-likely-129855283786.html

Meanwhile, tonight on CNN, I saw clips of an upcoming interview with Bill Clinton, where he is asked if he thinks Trump can win the Republican nomination, and Bill says "I think so."

But, with caveats as to the Republicans' dirt-digging, one liners, etc.; watch the interview, it's great from the parts I've seen, I'm looking forward to it.

binaryhermit
09-25-2015, 10:22 PM
Jeb Bush is racist.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/politics/jeb-bush-free-stuff-black-voters/index.html

GulDukat
09-25-2015, 10:52 PM
Jeb Bush is racist.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/politics/jeb-bush-free-stuff-black-voters/index.html
What a party...

Deepvoid
09-26-2015, 07:58 AM
Trump wants to break or renegotiate NAFTA. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/nafta-a-disaster-and-i-ll-renegotiate-says-donald-trump-1.3244280)

"It's a disaster".

aggroculture
09-26-2015, 10:32 AM
http://boingboing.net/2015/09/25/trump-debates-trump.html

GulDukat
09-26-2015, 12:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC2tYqIapg4

elevenism
09-26-2015, 01:22 PM
allegro , are you suggesting that Boehner's visit with the very progressive current Pope caused him to have a change of heart that made him question his entire neo-con ethos?

If so, that's kind of moving.

For the record, i still think it's funny to call him Boner...

Piko
09-26-2015, 10:25 PM
It is pretty coincidental that he meets with the pope, then resigns the next day. I think there's definitely other factors involved of him leaving. I think his meeting with Pope sped things up.

allegro
09-27-2015, 10:37 AM
allegro , are you suggesting that Boehner's visit with the very progressive current Pope caused him to have a change of heart that made him question his entire neo-con ethos?
Read my post again. I did not speculate, I do not live in DC (anymore). DC wonks, CNN guys, etc. speculated. Also, Boehner is expected to take Hastert's place as Washington's corporate lobbyist kingpin, so Boehner's career is moving up.

Here's an OpEd piece from today's Chicago Sun-Times (http://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/7/71/990491/editorial-boehner-stayed-fought)


Edit; the Sun-Times' Lynn Sweet says that Newt Gingrich told her that Boehner quit because he was "tired and fed up."