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elevenism
06-18-2014, 03:43 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27897648

I sure hope not.
Why America has to stick its dick in the affairs of a country that poses ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING THREAT TO US WHATSOEVER is beyond me...actually i wish it was beyond me.

But if there's fucking oil on fire, you can bet we're coming to "liberate" some motherfuckers.

Team America, fuck yeah!

I swear to god if i EVER get enough money together to move to canada, i'm OUT OF HERE.

Ryan
06-18-2014, 04:46 AM
no.
ten chars

somethingelse
06-18-2014, 04:50 AM
I'm sure if you ask many Iraqis they'll tell you the war never ended.

Fixer808
06-18-2014, 09:19 AM
I swear to god if i EVER get enough money together to move to canada, i'm OUT OF HERE.
Yeah, because our Conservative government is in no way interested in---
http://www.mining.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/countdown-begins-for-decision-on-northern-gateway-pipeline-map.jpg

Well... shit.

Wretchedest
06-18-2014, 10:31 AM
Goddamn, we should not even be thinking about this. It so frustrating how we get fixated on shit going on o. The other side of the world whe. There are enough problems on this continent. Our priorities are so fucked.

elevenism
06-18-2014, 02:24 PM
Yeah, because our Conservative government is in no way interested in---
http://www.mining.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/countdown-begins-for-decision-on-northern-gateway-pipeline-map.jpg

Well... shit.

well fuck me. it seems like the whole world is....fuck. i give up.

Sallos
06-18-2014, 07:32 PM
Send the drones to decapitate ISAS's heads off. Though terrorist's are pretty much like Hydra.

allegro
06-18-2014, 08:16 PM
https://fbcdn-photos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-0/10457956_10152463159457908_8836399077150889504_n.p ng

Space Suicide
06-19-2014, 05:03 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27897648

I sure hope not.
Why America has to stick its dick in the affairs of a country that poses ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING THREAT TO US WHATSOEVER is beyond me...actually i wish it was beyond me.

But if there's fucking oil on fire, you can bet we're coming to "liberate" some motherfuckers.

Team America, fuck yeah!

I swear to god if i EVER get enough money together to move to canada, i'm OUT OF HERE.

Such a "War on Terrorism" will never end. As a quote I once heard fits perfectly for the US' Middle Eastern Conflicts:

"You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea."

So much truth in that quote it's unreal. You can try to stop Terrorism groups and Al Qaeda (if even a threat these days) but the ideology and ethics of the group will never disappear and will be followed by others, always.

The US needs to stop being the World Police, no one gives a fuck for the US because of it and no one else has that responsibility so why do we? So many lives and resources have been wasted and lost in Afghanistan and Iraq, is it even worth it?

Clownboat
06-20-2014, 10:32 AM
How is this in any way a 3rd Iraq war? The mention of the US being involved is a small snippet in there saying the crisis will be discussed, just like every other major crisis gets discussed. I have no idea why the US being the "world police" is even a relevant discussion topic in this thread right now.

elevenism
06-20-2014, 02:36 PM
@Clownboat (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=24) , because i've been reading headlines like
Iraq urges US airstrikes as insurgents press offensive (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iraq-urges-us-airstrikes-as-insurgents-press-offensive/2014/06/19/51b0ef07-f5cd-4eb5-8260-1ab75c2d2ee4_story.html)

Washington Post-Jun 19, 2014

On Iraq, Echoes of 2003 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/opinion/nicholas-kristof-on-iraq-echoes-of-2003.html)

New York Times-by Nicholas Kristof (https://plus.google.com/102839963139173448834)-22 hours ago

and especially
Obama to Deploy Special Forces to Iraq (http://time.com/2901449/obama-iraq-isis-troops/)

TIME-by Zeke Miller (https://plus.google.com/107881735359078482073)-12 hours ago.

and quotes like

Obama said that if conditions warrant, “we will be prepared to take targeted and precise military action,” noting that he has already ordered the pre-positioning of U.S. assets in the region and “significantly increased” intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance presence.
I didn't, however, mean to imply that another full-scale war had broken out.
But the reason i discussed america as the world police is because, well, that's kinda how we behave.
I can only hope that cooler heads will prevail this time.

We ARE apparently sending military personnel to iraq again, even though it's supposedly only 300 special forces for now...to participate in their fucking civil war that we halfway started. That's why i am concerned about a larger conflict involving the US.

allegro
06-20-2014, 02:41 PM
Clownboat are you still in the military?

orestes
06-21-2014, 08:08 AM
@Clownboat (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=24) , because i've been reading headlines like
Iraq urges US airstrikes as insurgents press offensive (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iraq-urges-us-airstrikes-as-insurgents-press-offensive/2014/06/19/51b0ef07-f5cd-4eb5-8260-1ab75c2d2ee4_story.html)

Washington Post-Jun 19, 2014

On Iraq, Echoes of 2003 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/opinion/nicholas-kristof-on-iraq-echoes-of-2003.html)

New York Times-by Nicholas Kristof (https://plus.google.com/102839963139173448834)-22 hours ago

and especially
Obama to Deploy Special Forces to Iraq (http://time.com/2901449/obama-iraq-isis-troops/)

TIME-by Zeke Miller (https://plus.google.com/107881735359078482073)-12 hours ago.

and quotes like

I didn't, however, mean to imply that another full-scale war had broken out.
But the reason i discussed america as the world police is because, well, that's kinda how we behave.
I can only hope that cooler heads will prevail this time.

We ARE apparently sending military personnel to iraq again, even though it's supposedly only 300 special forces for now...to participate in their fucking civil war that we halfway started. That's why i am concerned about a larger conflict involving the US.

Eh, you might want to consider sources other than war hawks who got *everything* wrong about Iraq in the first place.

Clownboat
06-21-2014, 11:47 AM
@Clownboat (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=24) are you still in the military?
Nope. Got out in 2011.

StillWill
06-23-2014, 01:53 AM
well fuck me. it seems like the whole world is....fuck. i give up.


Don't worry about it. This provides jobs for thousands and more, directly and indirectly. Keeps the Canadian economy going. Nothing wrong about it.
America can have it's "Blood Oil" from Iraq if it wants. It's more expensive and its also at the cost of thousands of lives.

allegro
06-23-2014, 11:32 AM
Don't worry about it. This provides jobs for thousands and more, directly and indirectly. Keeps the Canadian economy going. Nothing wrong about it.
America can have it's "Blood Oil" from Iraq if it wants. It's more expensive and its also at the cost of thousands of lives.

Here is where the U.S. gets its oil (http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/imports/companylevel/)

StillWill
06-23-2014, 12:49 PM
Here is where the U.S. gets its oil (http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/imports/companylevel/)

Well thats nice. Guess by the numbers did it prove that Iraq oil is not worth it.

elevenism
06-23-2014, 06:43 PM
Here is where the U.S. gets its oil (http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/imports/companylevel/) @allegro (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76) , what in the holy hell were we doing in iraq? it boggles my mind!
190,000 lives (134,000 of those being civilians.)
2 TRILLION us dollars spent.
Iraq's healthcare infrastructure destroyed.
Extremism spread like wild fire throughout the region.
60 billion us dollars spent on "reconstruction," which for some reason means buying more police, NOT paying to repair the infrastructure we fucking ruined.
PRICELESS loss of US prestige on the world stage.
@allegro (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76) , i always thought it was about oil, but you shot that theory down.
I DAMN sure don't buy the damn WMD bullshit...plus, even if they HAD wmds , they most CERTAINLY didn't posses a missile capable of delivering a payload to much of ANYONE in the world.
I've heard of the "vendetta" idea. But i just can't buy that either. I'm gonna get you cause you pissed my daddy off on THIS scale?

Which leaves one thing...http://i.imgur.com/Bg2ExR7.jpg

A multitude of massive PERMANENT us Military Bases in Iraq, giving us a place from which to attack anyone in the middle east...like, for instance, Iran.
This is all i can figure.
Does anyone else have any ideas?

Fixer808
06-24-2014, 05:23 AM
Here is where the U.S. gets its oil (http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/imports/companylevel/)

KEEP THAT SHIT QUIET!! I don't have time to go "Red Dawn" on the US when you invade Alberta!

ibanez33
06-24-2014, 05:44 AM
KEEP THAT SHIT QUIET!! I don't have time to go "Red Dawn" on the US when you invade Alberta!

Fuck it, let 'em take Alberta. Just a bunch of cows and dirt, anyway. Then we can get Washington and Oregon and revive the "Cascadia" movement from a few years back! We'd have to take johnbron with it but it's a small price to pay.

allegro
06-24-2014, 12:00 PM
@allegro (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76) , what in the holy hell were we doing in iraq? it boggles my mind!
190,000 lives (134,000 of those being civilians.)
2 TRILLION us dollars spent.
Iraq's healthcare infrastructure destroyed.
Extremism spread like wild fire throughout the region.
60 billion us dollars spent on "reconstruction," which for some reason means buying more police, NOT paying to repair the infrastructure we fucking ruined.
PRICELESS loss of US prestige on the world stage.
@allegro (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76) , i always thought it was about oil, but you shot that theory down.
I DAMN sure don't buy the damn WMD bullshit...plus, even if they HAD wmds , they most CERTAINLY didn't posses a missile capable of delivering a payload to much of ANYONE in the world.
I've heard of the "vendetta" idea. But i just can't buy that either. I'm gonna get you cause you pissed my daddy off on THIS scale?

Which leaves one thing...

A multitude of massive PERMANENT us Military Bases in Iraq, giving us a place from which to attack anyone in the middle east...like, for instance, Iran.
This is all i can figure.
Does anyone else have any ideas?

There weren't any WMDs but that doesn't mean that wasn't the reason why the U.S. invaded Iraq. It was. With full Congressional approval. Because Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Ashcroft convinced Congress that there were WMDs.

George W. Bush made an agreement with the government of Iraq that the U.S. would NOT occupy the country of Iraq and would be out of Iraq by 2011. The country and people of Iraq do NOT want U.S. occupation, so the whole idea of the U.S. using Iraq as a strategic area on its Risk board won't work. And Cheney coming forward now saying that Obama fucked this up, when Cheney is completely forgetting the whole load of bullshit that went on before Obama, is hilarious.

Anyway, I highly recommend this documentary. G and I saw it at the theater when it was out. Below is the documentary, now on YouTube in its entirety. i think you may also be able to see it on Netflix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykpf5nDIs9M&noredirect=1

allegro
06-24-2014, 06:29 PM
Jon Stewart on Dick Cheney's hypocrisy (http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/5fyk9e/mess-o-potamia---300).

elevenism
06-25-2014, 09:49 PM
Because Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Ashcroft convinced Congress that there were WMDs. allegro , i think i'm going to watch this documentary tonight.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft...the four horseman of the apocalypse.

I don't want to get into foil hat territory here, but i REALLY believe, in my heart of hearts, that 9/11 was used as a pretext to go to war with Iraq. And i think there was something damned fishy about 9/11. Have you seen any of the Lose Change films? There is enough in those documentaries to convince damn near anyone that SOMETHING wasn't right about it.

And then we scrambled to connect it to Iraq. If we really planned to, or did, pull everyone out by 2011, what was the point?
Remember the "axis of evil?"
We know for DAMN SURE that North Korea has a WMD program and they are damned proud of it...so does Iran...but we don't go charging in there.
The Iraq thing just blows my mind. If it isn't the "global chessboard" thing, and it isn't about oil, then why in the hell did we do it, and why in the holy hell are we poised to do it again?
perhaps because we armed these fuckers? and for god's sake, didn't we arm the Sunni and then change our minds and arm the Shi'ite? so do we now feel responsible?

i watched the news tonight and the Iraqi gvmnt is begging for us to conduct airstrikes.
And what strange bedfellows we have over there...Iran and Syria are working WITH U.S. forces to fight off the insurgency.

I will watch the documentary tonight.

allegro
06-25-2014, 10:04 PM
And then we scrambled to connect it to Iraq. If we really planned to, or did, pull everyone out by 2011, what was the point?
Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft and Rumsfeld knew that the American public was still full of fear after 9/11 and needed a scapegoat for 9/11, somebody to pin the blame on, somebody to take their anger out on. Enter Saddam Hussein. Saddam Hussein and WMDs were nothing more than a scapegoat, a way to make the American people feel warm and fuzzy, kind of like how the police force in urban areas will pin the blame on any black person, whether they're guilty or not, just to find somebody who's guilty so they can "solve the crime" and make the public feel "safe" again.

elevenism
06-26-2014, 01:45 AM
Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft and Rumsfeld knew that the American public was still full of fear after 9/11 and needed a scapegoat for 9/11, somebody to pin the blame on, somebody to take their anger out on. Enter Saddam Hussein. Saddam Hussein and WMDs were nothing more than a scapegoat, a way to make the American people feel warm and fuzzy, kind of like how the police force in urban areas will pin the blame on any black person, whether they're guilty or not, just to find somebody who's guilty so they can "solve the crime" and make the public feel "safe" again.
i've always had a gut feeling that it was something more sinister, that we intended to go to war with iraq long before it went down, and i've never been able to wrap my mind around it. but you certainly may be right.
i'm about to watch No End In Sight.

if you dig those kinds of documentaries, allegro , you have got to see Dirty Wars. It's on Netlix.

somethingelse
06-26-2014, 04:34 AM
Dirty Wars is very frightening. You will cry many times.

elevenism
06-26-2014, 07:13 AM
Dirty Wars is very frightening. You will cry many times.

wasn't it?
and right after i watched it, Obama was calling for a smaller military and defense budget here.
It makes an eerie kind of sense, doesn't it?

and yes, raygunprimed is right. There SHOULD be a warning with this movie...it's kind of hard to watch.
I realized that when i went back and showed it to my girl...she was kind of like "Jesus, i didn't need to know all that shit!"

Oh, btw, Dirty Wars doesn't necessarily tie in to the current situation in Iraq. It's just in the same category...a military/foreign policy expose (ex-po-ZAY.) I can't find the key for the acento.

GulDukat
06-29-2014, 01:25 AM
This outstanding documentary explains a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbey4hPlrX0

elevenism
06-29-2014, 03:31 AM
This outstanding documentary explains a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbey4hPlrX0

i'm gonna watch it. Thanks, man.

GulDukat
06-29-2014, 06:14 AM
i'm gonna watch it. Thanks, man.
Sure. I'm a big Rachel Maddow fan. She's good at breaking complex things down and explaining them. If you've been following the U.S. invasion of Iraq since it happened, you may not learn anything new in this video, but it's helpful to see everything explained. What the Bush administration did really is quite appalling. Over 100,000 Iraqi dead, nearly 5000 Americans dead, many more injured, families (both Iraqi and American) ruined, over a trillion dollars lost, and for what?

allegro
06-29-2014, 10:42 AM
Our sales guy at the AT&T store last night is Armenian Christian and he and his whole family is from Iraq. Luckily, they all got out as little as three years ago. He said his uncle used to work for Saddam Hussein and Hussein was a jerk but at least Hussein protected the Christians (Assyrians and Armenians); this new ISIS group are killing Christians, beheading them and shit. The Christians can't get out fast enough. He was wondering why the US wouldn't help. He was a cute kid, I said, "honey, I don't think we have enough troops to stop that shit, I sure wish we could stop it." I asked him what he thought would solve the whole thing. He said he thought maybe if Russia got involved. Hell, Russia was already involved in the Middle East, before, and that didn't work out too well, they ain't too excited about doing that shit again.

This guy highly recommended this flick, said it's really true:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlmeHGde874

Deepvoid
06-29-2014, 01:37 PM
You cannot stop wars fought in the name of religion. It's been like that forever and there's no end in sight.

DigitalChaos
06-29-2014, 05:06 PM
There SHOULD be a warning with this movie...it's kind of hard to watch.
I realized that when i went back and showed it to my girl...she was kind of like "Jesus, i didn't need to know all that shit!"

fuck that. Does she pay taxes? If yes, then she sure as hell should know exactly what they are being used for.

DigitalChaos
06-29-2014, 05:08 PM
You cannot stop wars fought in the name of religion. It's been like that forever and there's no end in sight.
right, but if you are on the other end of an attack (aka the war has been brought to you), you sure as fuck need to fight back. It doesn't matter if they are attacking you over religious reasons. Not that the US has been in that position in a very long time.

marodi
06-30-2014, 03:28 PM
This guy highly recommended this flick, said it's really true:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlmeHGde874

I saw this movie a while ago. Uday Hussein was a truly disgusting, despicable human being but there are doubts about the guy who wrote the book from which this is adapted. Still, it's terrifying to think that someone like this had so much power.

On a purely cinematic side, Dominic Cooper is absolutely fantastic in this dual role.

allegro
06-30-2014, 06:11 PM
I saw this movie a while ago. Uday Hussein was a truly disgusting, despicable human being but there are doubts about the guy who wrote the book from which this is adapted. Still, it's terrifying to think that someone like this had so much power.

On a purely cinematic side, Dominic Cooper is absolutely fantastic in this dual role.
It's also sad to see how Iraq has been completely destroyed since then.

elevenism
07-01-2014, 09:22 PM
"President Obama has authorized another 200 U.S. troops to secure the American Embassy in Iraq as well as Baghdad’s international airport, bringing the total U.S. deployments to Iraq this month to 775."

And that's just the ones we know about, campers.
I have (and have had) a really bad feeling that this whole thing is going to spiral WAY out of control.

From drones to "advisors" to combat ready troops.
I'm afraid it's on.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-authorizes-200-more-troops-for-iraq/2014/06/30/191fb816-009a-11e4-8572-4b1b969b6322_story.html


(http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-authorizes-200-more-troops-for-iraq/2014/06/30/191fb816-009a-11e4-8572-4b1b969b6322_story.html)

snaapz
07-02-2014, 09:04 AM
Here is where the U.S. gets its oil (http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/imports/companylevel/)

Wait, what? Canada is the top exporter? I live in Canada! Shouldn't I have several highly priced luxury cars that I drive like a maniac....??!! And if Canada has so much petrol/oil then why the fuck am I paying out the ass to fill up my car??

Toronto's gas price (as of this morning) is currently $1.39/L ($4.773/gal)

I'd love a hybrid or all electric car, but they are ripping us off there too. >$30,000 for a small car.... $45,000 for what I'd want.

elevenism
07-02-2014, 08:29 PM
Wait, what? Canada is the top exporter? I live in Canada! Shouldn't I have several highly priced luxury cars that I drive like a maniac....??!! And if Canada has so much petrol/oil then why the fuck am I paying out the ass to fill up my car??

Toronto's gas price (as of this morning) is currently $1.39/L ($4.773/gal)



A. JESUS...that's why i've always been a bus/train guy in dallas and
B. The only thing i can figure is that maybe Canada taxes the gas as part of an environmental concern?
I don't know, you're right...look at Dubai and the UAE. You guys should be rolling in the dough up there and pouring oil on your cereal!

elevenism
08-08-2014, 03:34 AM
I fucking knew it.
Obama Authorizes 'Targeted' Airstrikes Against ISIS in Iraq (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-turmoil/obama-authorizes-targeted-airstrikes-against-isis-iraq-n175201)

I don't know what in the hell the answer is in Iraq.
This comment is very unusual coming from me, but i swear, it seems like SOMEONE is going to have to occupy Iraq to keep the peace.
It's turning into the next Gaza and it breaks my fucking pacifist liberal bleeding heart.

allegro
08-08-2014, 08:35 AM
Saddam was an asshole but he ruled the place with an iron fist and kept things in line. The minute W and his idiots took him out, this was bound to happen. Forever. Until the next Saddam takes over.

elevenism
08-08-2014, 12:52 PM
Saddam was an asshole but he ruled the place with an iron fist and kept things in line. The minute W and his idiots took him out, this was bound to happen. Forever. Until the next Saddam takes over.
these are hard things to say, but i tend to agree.
sigh.

GulDukat
08-09-2014, 07:22 PM
Saddam was an asshole but he ruled the place with an iron fist and kept things in line. The minute W and his idiots took him out, this was bound to happen. Forever. Until the next Saddam takes over.
Yup.

What's going on now is the direct result of the previous administration and at this point there are no good answers.

Jinsai
08-10-2014, 03:38 AM
I wish I hadn't looked at those photos of the massacre currently happening in Iraq.
They're decapitating babies and crucifying people. It's maybe the most disturbing thing I've ever seen.

allegro
08-10-2014, 09:03 AM
those Isis people are killing non-Muslims. I wouldn't look at the vid and photos circulating, now I'm glad I didn't.

Saddam at least protected the Christians (Assyrians), now they're being slaughtered.

botley
08-10-2014, 09:56 AM
The group that Isis is subjecting to genocidal violence are a Shiite sect called the Yezidi (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100282674/death-of-a-religion-isis-and-the-yezidi/). Their branch of religion pre-dates any modern form of Islam or Christianity by thousands of years. They're closer to Zoroastrians than Christians.

allegro
08-10-2014, 10:55 AM
The group that Isis is subjecting to genocidal violence are a Shiite sect called the Yezidi (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100282674/death-of-a-religion-isis-and-the-yezidi/). Their branch of religion pre-dates any modern form of Islam or Christianity by thousands of years. They're closer to Zoroastrians than Christians.
I know Assyrians here in Chicago (http://politics.suntimes.com/article/chicago/chicago-area-assyrians-protest-bloodshed-iraq-and-syria/fri-08082014-539pm)

botley
08-10-2014, 11:37 AM
They're being victimized too, certainly, but it's not just one group Isis is targeting.

allegro
08-10-2014, 12:24 PM
They're being victimized too, certainly, but it's not just one group Isis is targeting.
I didn't say it was, did I? I said Saddam protected the Assyrians.

Jinsai
08-10-2014, 01:50 PM
ISIS has also captured the Mosul Dam... which, if it is not properly maintained (or if it is deliberately destroyed), could create a 60+ ft wave that could immediately kill hundreds of thousands of people. The fallout would also restrict access to clean water and power to millions.

Apparently this dam was already in a state of disrepair that requires constant upkeep to maintain it. They don't even need to intentionally blow it up.

ISIS is evil. They're cutting the heads of babies and small children in front of their parents, and putting them on spikes for public display. Now they're directly threatening the lives of potentially millions of people. What are they doing this for? What do they hope to achieve?

elevenism
08-11-2014, 12:16 AM
THis is fucking terrible.
I'm a pacifist, but THIS is where we step in, damnit.

Jinsai
08-11-2014, 01:22 AM
I know that this is more than religion, but religion facilitates this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsCZzpmbEcs

Satyr
08-11-2014, 04:17 AM
It's just funny that nobody cares about atrocities unless there is a lot of money on the line and crazy terrorists are tweeting about it....#AfricaIsWorse

allegro
08-11-2014, 08:23 AM
There isn't money on the line for us. yes there are equally fucked up places but we'd already created this mess.

elevenism
08-11-2014, 03:09 PM
allegro , didn't we arm the Sunni in 2003, and later arm the Shiites, or vice-versa?
It was some insanity like that.
I really hope and pray that Obama can handle this better than W and Co did.
Jinsai , i tend to agree with you. Religion has facilitated a RIDICULOUS amount of bloodshed and will continue to do so. Muslims argue about which Caliphs were legitimate, right? As far as i can tell, they are about as different as Catholics and Protestants...and people have been willing to die for that too.
I identify as christian as you know, but not the kind who takes the bible literally or believes the earth is young or thinks we are going to be "raptured."
It's people who...how do i put this...people who believe everything about their religions' text is literal and then misinterpret some of the text to suggest that they kill and die over it.
Actually, you don't have to misinterpret it...look at some of the crazy shit in exodus and leviticus. One verse that was responsible for a LOT of bloodshed was a verse that instructed jews and christians to, if they found a city in which another god was worshiped, kill all men, women, children and animals and then burn the motherfucker down.
And a lot of people did just that. Many christians will have you believe that WAY more of them were martyred than actually were and conveniently leave out the part where we have killed literally millions of people.
Sigh. I am ashamed of that part of our history.
Religion, in the wrong hands, is a VERY dangerous thing.
I haven't watched your video yet, i will watch it after i take a shower.

If you get a chance, check out this site (http://www.truthbeknown.com/).
Acharya S. is a fascinating author, thinker and speaker who has popularized the term and idea of "astrotheology," which is the belief that all religions ultimately stem from the sun, moon and stars. She regularly sheds light on atrocities committed in the name of god,

Deepvoid
08-19-2014, 07:19 PM
ISIS released a video which, if authentic, shows the beheading of an American journalist.
I just watched the thing and I'm fucking boiling on the inside. I would drop a nuke on these fuckers right now.

Deepvoid
09-11-2014, 11:48 AM
Is that it? Is POTUS's speech the announcement of the third Iraq war?
He's sending more "advisers" on the ground, expending airstrikes. Sure sounds like a new war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUqN8rMyDgM

Sutekh
09-11-2014, 11:52 AM
I don't think it will, it will just end up a cold war style semi-proxy conflict. Support will haemorrage further when kurdish and iraqi forces begin committing revenge atrocities (just wait)

Deepvoid
09-12-2014, 05:47 PM
So is it officially a "war" but not against Iraq per say. Close enough for me. (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/white-house-isil-war-110906.html?hp=l1)

Deepvoid
09-24-2014, 08:05 AM
Damn I love Jon Stewart. That bit was hilarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCWdSRjUnao

elevenism
10-29-2014, 06:42 AM
I don't think it will, it will just end up a cold war style semi-proxy conflict. Support will haemorrage further when kurdish and iraqi forces begin committing revenge atrocities (just wait)

i bet you're right about the revenge...just like when we backed opposing groups in a cyclical fashion before.