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FULLMETAL
02-25-2014, 10:16 AM
Apologies in advance for omitting Latin America in the thread title. Anyhow, here's a quick overview of the official merchandise available in Tokyo for NIN2014 (for larger images, delete the "l" in the filename before the ".jpg" extension):

http://i.imgur.com/tjB0vBIl.jpg
The hoodie doesn't have any design on the back.

http://i.imgur.com/j9BIssxl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0ZZTQKTl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/uvOCwhxl.jpg
Take note, the posters were numbered xxx/200 dated 2014.

http://i.imgur.com/BWpSaJOl.jpg


Detail from Australia|New Zealand (timdotexe):
http://i.imgur.com/OaYkzcRl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MK4EoJgl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/K6Myy9rl.jpg

Detail from Latin America (OchoBits):
http://i.imgur.com/a3z23dml.jpg


For those folks attending shows, please take pictures of the merch booth as the tour progresses so we can catalog any new items or designs.

ManBurning
02-25-2014, 03:27 PM
With the exception of that weird NIN logo with the red circle in the middle, all the merch is identical to the festival and tension tours. Why didn't they create new designs for this tour? Hmm... Seems like the NIN camp really is burnt out.

That NIN Japan 2014 Banner is pretty wicked though, or is it a scarf? What is that thing?

richardp
02-25-2014, 03:48 PM
With the exception of that weird NIN logo with the red circle in the middle, all the merch is identical to the festival and tension tours. Why didn't they create new designs for this tour? Hmm... Seems like the NIN camp really is burnt out.

That NIN Japan 2014 Banner is pretty wicked though, or is it a scarf? What is that thing?

What's weird about that NIN logo with the red dot? It's just the Chinese Flag dot placed behind the NIN logo.

Also why should they completely change the merch? Just because all of it was sold already here in the states, doesn't mean that anyone over in the rest of the world shouldn't have a chance to buy the exact same designs. New year does not equate to not being part of the same touring cycle.

ManBurning
02-25-2014, 03:50 PM
What's weird about that NIN logo with the red dot? It's just the Chinese Flag dot placed behind the NIN logo.


It's like an optical illusion. I see what your seeing, but I also see a stupid red letter "O" so it reads "NON"
My brain is fucked...

dvdglss
02-25-2014, 04:00 PM
Chinese Flag dot placed behind the NIN logo

...please be joking, please be joking, please be joking... >_<

richardp
02-25-2014, 04:12 PM
...please be joking, please be joking, please be joking... >_<

I guess sarcasm doesn't quite translate well. YES GUYS IT'S JAPAN. Mostly was poking fun at all the people in the speculation thread here.

ninlive
02-25-2014, 07:35 PM
Can someone please pick me up a Japan NIN poster??? Plz. :))))

FULLMETAL
02-25-2014, 07:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOvBgmZXs5Q

Throw in a fiver for the mailing tube when you send back the DATs.

ninlive
02-25-2014, 08:30 PM
greatest video of all time

Throw in a fiver for the mailing tube when you send back the DATs.

Mah dude!!!!! :D I owe you one!!!!

REPLICA
02-25-2014, 09:14 PM
T-SHIRTS! :eek: LOGO WITH RED CIRCLE??? GOD...

spahn
02-25-2014, 10:49 PM
wouldn't mind a japan tour poster as well. PM me if someone can assist with this.

iBoogz
02-26-2014, 02:26 AM
If anyone could grab me the Japan flag shirt in a small, that'd be incredible! Medium works too!

jezstyle
02-26-2014, 03:58 AM
I'd like a Japan poster. PM me plz.

minarets77
02-26-2014, 09:23 AM
http://i.imgur.com/LF7SpaPl.jpg

Uh, where is this merch booth?!

http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/peaks2.jpg

Kenji_Tokyo
02-27-2014, 04:19 AM
What I bought;

t-shirts A, B, C, E and F = 3,500 yen * 5
I didn't buy D=new grey PHM and G that I had bought at Fuji Rock last summer.

beanie = 3,500 yen

zip up hoodie = 7,000 yen

key chain = 1,000 yen

badges = 1,000 yen

I spent 30,000 yen / approximately $300 on merch :(

I may buy towel (1,500 yen) and lithograph (2,000 yen) if not sold out tomorrow.
Yesterday towel was sold out even before the doors opened.
Is towel sold / popular in other countries?

Though I can help people who want Japan tour merch, as I live in Tokyo international shipping is expensive.
If you can rely on people who came from abroad and will go back to their home country, cost-wise it's much more reasonable.
If you're OK with high shipping fee, please PM me ASAP.
FYI, our local time is GMT + 9 hours.

jessamineny
02-27-2014, 08:04 AM
IIRC, the towels have always been exclusive to Japan in past tours.

Kenji_Tokyo
02-27-2014, 08:43 AM
IIRC, the towels have always been exclusive to Japan in past tours.

I've seen many international bands selling towels at shows in Japan. Didn't know it's peculiar. Thanks for info.

fwhunnercun
02-27-2014, 09:16 AM
I know it's only two shows, but these set lists have been uninspired and boring. It's OK to take Piggy out of the set list. It's OK to take Terrible Lie out. It's OK not to play March of the Pigs every night - it really is. I'm hoping I'm just being a little premature in my evaluation of these shows. Also, the 4 piece just ain't doing it for me. At least with 5 people there is the illusion that not everything is pre-recorded. I like the flexibility that the 4 piece offers in terms of set list (Wave Goodbye tour), but I'm sure this can be achieved with 5 members in the band. This is my bitch-fest. I don't post often but I'm really "disappointed" that NIN has such a huge back catalog that never sees the light of day in a live setting. That being said, I'm still be a huge fan and will pay good $$ to see them again (for the 11th time) when they tour anywhere within a 300 mile radius of me.

FW Hunnercun

Rdm
02-28-2014, 12:52 AM
That poster is really awesome

Kenji_Tokyo
02-28-2014, 01:27 AM
If you're OK with high shipping fee, please PM me ASAP.

I've received no PM. no reply and have to leave home now, so please forget about Japan tour merch.

Freshcat
03-04-2014, 04:36 AM
Hoping for a nice poster at the Australian shows.
2 weeks!

hani
03-04-2014, 09:59 AM
I'm hoping there will be some XXL merch in Poland for my fat ass

Flashheart
03-06-2014, 07:49 AM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/06/taheny6y.jpg
Only angle I could take a photo from (I was too busy to take one when I was actually purchasing my merch, but I might take photos of what I bought). I thought it was weird they were selling a poster with North American dates on it but no poster for Australian dates, but cool that they've made that available to collectors here.

tony.parente
03-06-2014, 01:08 PM
Little late to the party but i'm happy to see their merch is just as shitty as the US run.

SarahConnor
03-06-2014, 03:12 PM
I suppose I'm uninterested in the contemporary merch.
It's only tasteful, sans serif typography.

Flashheart
03-06-2014, 10:43 PM
Most of it seems to be exactly the same stuff. The only items specific to the Australian tour are the two shirts with dates on the back.

jessamineny
03-07-2014, 07:43 AM
Well, at least the shirts don't have North American dates on them. :D

icklekitty
03-07-2014, 09:09 AM
Which of this is for girls? They're disgusting shirts, but I'm still curious.

Flashheart
03-07-2014, 09:35 AM
There was a girl shirt. I forget what it looked like...I guess generic....black with logo and some blue on it maybe? I should have taken more photos since when I went to the merch this time around, most people had already gone, so I had a clearer view, space, as well as time. I guess if the same thing happens tomorrow night I will take more photos.

Jerry450
03-08-2014, 11:35 AM
I would love to get shirts A & F in size XL, pm me if anyone can make it happen please, cheers and thanks

nothing8
03-08-2014, 07:38 PM
I was pretty pissed that they only had that one poster with the American tour dates on it. So I just picked up one of the tour date shirts (with the NIN box logo on the front) and the Hesitation Marks poster. I ALMOST paid $15 for a keychain, but then I thought to myself “...what the fuck" and ended up ditching it.

m0reta
03-09-2014, 03:45 AM
http://i.imgur.com/RACzjvh.jpg

Son of a bitch!

See the whole thing here: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiQRgHeCIAAeFsm.jpg:large

Tweet here: https://twitter.com/nineinchnails/status/442497906843459584

Flashheart
03-09-2014, 08:08 AM
Which of this is for girls? They're disgusting shirts, but I'm still curious.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/09/vusu9y3a.jpg
This is the best photo I could get of the merch, including the girl's shirt.

Flashheart
03-09-2014, 08:15 AM
http://i.imgur.com/RACzjvh.jpg

Son of a bitch!

Motherfuckers! Grrr...

jessamineny
03-09-2014, 09:02 AM
NIN did randomly signed posters during the North American tour, too.

m33k
03-09-2014, 01:54 PM
NIN did randomly signed posters during the North American tour, too.

Yeah... those "limited edition art prints" that also made their way to AUS.

Why NIN, with all their resources, haven't consistently done one-off show prints is something I haven't been able to understand. It really seemed, by the rhetoric in the presale emails, that was what they meant by "limited edition art prints". Or at least that it implied that "limited edition art print" didn't mean "left over promo posters from 'Hesitation Marks' that we won't reprint once we've sold the huge lot that we've got left over". The only reason I even bought one was the chance that it may have been signed, which it wasn't, and which is why it sits in a tube in my closet.

I was pretty disappointed with the Tension2013 merch situation, as a lot of people were, and that whole poster debacle was the pinnacle of it all.

richardp
03-09-2014, 07:09 PM
I was a bit surprised that the Tension tour didn't feature the same poster situation as the HTDA tour, with the signed posters being sold first to .Com presales, and switched out every 6 nights. But I guess that probably would have been a lot of extra work too, for such a big tour.

draven
03-17-2014, 11:37 PM
anyone else consider that maybe the girls portrayed in these posters might be a reference to mariqueen & brody?

http://www.beyondthepale.com.au/_prodimgs/649.jpg http://www.beyondthepale.com.au/_prodimgs/648.jpg

barkhammer
03-18-2014, 12:23 AM
anyone else consider that maybe the girls portrayed in these posters might be a reference to mariqueen & brody?

http://www.beyondthepale.com.au/_prodimgs/649.jpg http://www.beyondthepale.com.au/_prodimgs/648.jpg

Yeah, that or True Detective!

Black Sabbath
03-18-2014, 03:52 PM
Soundgarden does show-specific posters, so with any luck they'll continue them with this tour and have some awesome looking NIN/SG fused posters.

Freshcat
03-19-2014, 06:49 AM
anyone else consider that maybe the girls portrayed in these posters might be a reference to mariqueen & brody?

http://www.beyondthepale.com.au/_prodimgs/649.jpg http://www.beyondthepale.com.au/_prodimgs/648.jpg

Got both of these too! Can't wait to frame and put them up!

FULLMETAL
04-07-2014, 04:04 PM
Latin America only had two official designs available. Detail (along with Australia) has been added to the first post.
http://i.imgur.com/9DRTpOal.jpg
Next up will be the Europe/UK leg of the tour, so please be sure to take some pics of the merch booth so we can catalog any new additions.

baeny
04-16-2014, 01:23 PM
I was fortunate enough to get one of these from the Christchurch, New Zealand show. Quite nerve racking holding onto it during the show knowing it was signed and not being able to tell anyone for fear of it being stolen by envious drunken fans.
Pretty cool though! signed by Trent, Robin, Ally, Ilan , Josh , Jon and Troy
http://i.imgur.com/UsR5M3R.jpg

MrSlfDstruct
05-07-2014, 10:53 PM
Any new merch out there for the new leg?

scotty79
05-08-2014, 05:12 PM
Found this, not seen this one before
http://instagram.com/p/nwAuIFhUS0/

sheepdean
05-08-2014, 05:20 PM
Found this, not seen this one before
http://instagram.com/p/nwAuIFhUS0/
Rob: Oh shit Trent, there's a CMYK print error on the new shirt
Trent: Fuck it, they'll buy anything

TRM
05-12-2014, 02:03 AM
Merch booth @Stockholm

(http://goo.gl/2IHsqZ)http://img4.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_191762n5IMG20140510174701.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=191762n5IMG20140510174701.jpg)

ophelia_
05-12-2014, 02:50 AM
If I paypal someone money, can you please get me one of those 3D NIN shirts?

m15a
05-12-2014, 03:02 AM
Merch booth @Stockholm

(http://goo.gl/2IHsqZ)http://img4.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_191762n5IMG20140510174701.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=191762n5IMG20140510174701.jpg)

i was only getting to the thumbnail from the link. here's the original: http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/191762n5IMG20140510174701.jpg

Ryan
05-12-2014, 03:32 AM
Are those French fries at the bottom of that NIN poster on the right?!

sheepdean
05-12-2014, 04:10 AM
..wait they're selling Ghosts vinyl? Awesome.

And what's the 7"? A cold cave disc?

witte
05-12-2014, 04:15 AM
included 3D glasses?

Fangster_
05-12-2014, 04:28 AM
Are those French fries at the bottom of that NIN poster on the right?!

A stack of measuring tape. The metallic sort, what's the term? Topped with what looks like a sort of crop. I dunno. Bought the poster myself and it's nice enough, only I noticed last night that one of the colons inbetween the listed cities isn't the same color as others. Something something OCD. Why do I always get the botched merch? Should I get a doctor's note and show it to people before they sell me stuff that'll drive me off the edge?


And what's the 7"? A cold cave disc?

Yup.

FULLMETAL
05-12-2014, 04:38 AM
Saw this posted on the NIN.com forum. It seems there were 5 autographed posters from the Stockholm show:

https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10334426_10152439758371450_3418451469217664443_n.j pg

icklekitty
05-12-2014, 06:31 AM
LMAO they're selling copies of The Slip

Fangster_
05-12-2014, 07:29 AM
LMAO they're selling copies of The Slip

Qué?

What I find funny, are the prices of the vinyl in Swedish crown. All other merch is in direct relation to their euro equilavent with an added 0, but the records cost almost twice what they did in Helsinki.

Sarah K
05-12-2014, 10:47 AM
Oof. I hope that weird 3D/whatever shirt comes to the States.

sheepdean
05-13-2014, 10:55 AM
Are the NIN3D (which is the shirt's official name as of right now because I say so) shirts available in ladies', or just unisex?

slave2thewage
05-13-2014, 11:00 AM
So, a tour shirt is about 30 euro?

gregmac666
05-15-2014, 10:34 AM
Off to Birmingham on Sunday. If shirts are much over £20 I'll be pissed-off. They're not exactly great designs.

Anything on the back of the hoodies? At current conversion rates, that's looking like £55! :o

Think I'll grab a poster at some point & that'll be it.

Digital Twilight
05-15-2014, 06:02 PM
Tour shirts tend to be £25 these days, sometimes £30. I've noticed as the price increases the quality seems to decrease.

Saying that the shirt I bought at the Scala last year is good quality and isn't falling apart after one year's wear and tear.

houndington
05-15-2014, 06:14 PM
Are the NIN3D (which is the shirt's official name as of right now because I say so) shirts available in ladies', or just unisex?

Just unisex

stefler
05-15-2014, 07:38 PM
So, a tour shirt is about 30 euro?

Yes T-Shirts 30€, Hoody 60€, Badge Set 5€, Poster 10€, Cap 25€....

trollmanen
05-15-2014, 10:55 PM
I hope they keep the 3D one around for the summer tour. I didn't get anything at the Tension tour show, but I'd buy that one, simple logo with a twist.

scotty79
05-19-2014, 01:57 AM
Can anyone at the Birmingham show last night tell me the price of the t-shirts please? I'm guessing £25 going by the conversion rates but hoping they'll be a bit cheaper

Witness
05-19-2014, 04:32 AM
Scott - the t-shirts were £25 at Bham. Hoodie £50. Badges £8 (!). Frankly it was all a bit disappointing; small and uninspiring choice.

The only one I liked was the nin logo in the centre of a blue circle but then realised to my dismay it was women's fit only :(

First NIN tour ever since 1991 that I didn't buy anything.

scotty79
05-19-2014, 04:43 AM
Thanks, from what I've seen I'm between the 3d and the one with red and the tour dates on the back, may even get both lol

Vrolok1
05-19-2014, 10:28 AM
Anybody has images of the new posters and t shirts?

icklekitty
05-19-2014, 11:10 AM
They're on the last page of this tread. http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/2985-NIN-2014-Japan-Australia-UK-Europe-Official-Tour-Merchandise?p=185206#post185206

AbjectMark
05-19-2014, 12:32 PM
Does anybody know what is on the back of the hoodie?

Witness
05-21-2014, 02:52 AM
Does anybody know what is on the back of the hoodie?

I'm not convinced there was anything on the back...

icklekitty
05-22-2014, 10:31 AM
I can take some more pics tomorrow but really that Stockholm photo shows all there is to show. It's a pretty basic set.

Christo
05-23-2014, 08:35 PM
I bought a T Shirt and Hoodie in Large but realised I will never ever wear them. So if anyone wants to buy them off me, lemme know.

stefler
05-24-2014, 02:16 AM
Does anybody know what is on the back of the hoodie?


I'm not convinced there was anything on the back...

Witness has rigtht. I asked a lady from the merch stand in Berlin an she says there is none on the back of the hoodie - unfortunately.

peanutismint
05-24-2014, 11:59 AM
I wanted to get a particular NiN shirt at their show in Cardiff, Wales last week but they didn't have any left in my size :(

Does anybody know where I might be able to buy any of these online? Do they ever show up in the official merch store? Or might it be a while, like after the tour finishes and they sell off the remainder of stuff that didn't go during the tour?

For reference, the shirt I'm looking for was listed as 'BLK LOGO BOX 2014 T'.....

I'll keep an eye out on eBay etc. but would rather buy one new and from the official merchandiser...

peanutismint
05-25-2014, 03:37 AM
Off to Birmingham on Sunday. If shirts are much over £20 I'll be pissed-off. They're not exactly great designs.

I really wanted to get the one in the centre of the middle board of this pic http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/191...0510174701.jpg (http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/191762n5IMG20140510174701.jpg) at the Cardiff show the other night, but they were £25 (!!) and also didn't have any left in my size....

Unless anyone can suggest a way of getting one, I may well just inspect that design really closely and then make my own for myself!

miss k bee
05-25-2014, 06:15 AM
Charcoal grey tshirt
http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee348/buzzybee77/Mobile%20Uploads/20140525_104723.jpg (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/buzzybee77/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140525_104723.jpg.html)

http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee348/buzzybee77/Mobile%20Uploads/20140525_104641.jpg (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/buzzybee77/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140525_104641.jpg.html)

icklekitty
05-25-2014, 06:56 AM
I really wanted to get the one in the centre of the middle board of this pic http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/191...0510174701.jpg (http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/191762n5IMG20140510174701.jpg) at the Cardiff show the other night, but they were £25 (!!) and also didn't have any left in my size....

Unless anyone can suggest a way of getting one, I may well just inspect that design really closely and then make my own for myself!


NIN shirt prices haven't changed in 10 years. I don't know what you expected.

peanutismint
05-25-2014, 07:22 AM
NIN shirt prices haven't changed in 10 years. I don't know what you expected.


This was my first show so I can't say I had any form of expectations....but thanks for the helpful reply! :)

MacabreMagpie
05-25-2014, 08:35 AM
Charcoal grey tshirt
http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee348/buzzybee77/Mobile%20Uploads/20140525_104723.jpg (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/buzzybee77/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140525_104723.jpg.html)

http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee348/buzzybee77/Mobile%20Uploads/20140525_104641.jpg (http://s534.photobucket.com/user/buzzybee77/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140525_104641.jpg.html)

I spotted that last night, that shirt wasn't at Birmingham or Cardiff. Probably my favourite but I was too skint by that point or I would have gotten it!

FULLMETAL
05-25-2014, 02:14 PM
Does anybody know where I might be able to buy any of these online? Do they ever show up in the official merch store? Or might it be a while, like after the tour finishes and they sell off the remainder of stuff that didn't go during the tour?


Surprisingly, the only 2013 tour shirts available on NIN's merch store were from the festival run (fractured NIN logo & x-ray) and the exclusive Troubadour show. None of the Tension specific merchandise was made available online, which was irritating as some items were only available at later dates on the tour. I believe some of the Tension posters were available during the Australian dates this year.

It's possible once this tour cycle is finished (presumably after the Soundgarden dates) excess inventory from Tension & the 2014 tour will be available online, but I wouldn't count on it.

Perhaps if you ask nicely, a kind soul might offer to get a shirt from an upcoming date if you PayPal them. Otherwise, check eBay and hope you aren't gouged on the price & shipping.

Good luck!

kleiner
05-25-2014, 02:31 PM
I know most people hated the designs, but there definitely were a few Tension shirts I really enjoyed that I couldn't get my hands on, and considering it was my first NIN tour I really want to have as many memories/pieces of memorabilia as I can (I didn't get one of the posters, and I've regretted not doing that for a while; instead I got a women's shirt whose cut is so impractical that I'll never be able to wear it; apparently an extra large woman is still tiny). I'm really hoping after the SG tour a lot of stuff goes up on the site, as I know it would clean out my bank account and I'd be okay with it.

Witness
05-25-2014, 02:40 PM
I spotted that last night, that shirt wasn't at Birmingham or Cardiff. Probably my favourite but I was too skint by that point or I would have gotten it!

Yes I was after this one but the rubbish merch stall at Nottingham only had small left - which of course we all know is the perfect size for the majority of NIN fans....NOT :mad: FFS.

furrybum
05-27-2014, 02:31 AM
Just out of interest, do tour shirts normally end up being sold online? I've seen some of last years but none for this tour so far. Missed out at the Nottingham gig!

gregmac666
05-28-2014, 05:36 AM
They had them at Manchester in all sizes, which pleased me because I had also been at the Notts gig & they had sold out of my size at that time.

The shirt will probably be available at the other Euro dates, and then in the future will be sold online in whatever sizes they have left.


Yes I was after this one but the rubbish merch stall at Nottingham only had small left - which of course we all know is the perfect size for the majority of NIN fans....NOT :mad: FFS.

snorkmaiden
05-28-2014, 06:29 PM
Hello! I was wondering if anyone would be able to pick me up a European tour shirt over the next few days and ship it to England (pretty pretty please!) I'd give the money for the shirt and shipping through paypal, and I'd be ridiculously grateful! (I was at the Nottingham show and didn't have the money to get one at the time :( )
My preferences are the grey logo/tour dates on the back shirt first (size small), the 3D logo one second (size small), then the women's fit one with the circle on the front third (size small or medium).
If anyone's willing to do this then drop me a PM and we can sort something :)

filmfanb
06-13-2014, 10:28 AM
hey guys, i know its weird to ask but i have gotten the european poster and i want to go out and buy a frame. im at work and I have no idea what the size of the fucking thing is. anyone know the sizes of it ? ? ? ?

ninlive
06-13-2014, 04:06 PM
hey guys, i know its weird to ask but i have gotten the european poster and i want to go out and buy a frame. im at work and I have no idea what the size of the fucking thing is. anyone know the sizes of it ? ? ? ?

More than likely 11x17

otnavuskire
06-13-2014, 05:18 PM
The US ones are typically 18x24.

mel_zombie
07-03-2014, 10:37 PM
didn't they have a poster with all the tour dates on them????

niggo
08-08-2014, 06:52 PM
I know it's a long shot, but I'm desperately looking for a poster from the European leg. Does anyone have one that he would be willing to sell?

Black Sabbath
09-03-2014, 12:37 PM
Sorry to bump this thread, but I have a Large NIN3D shirt that I'd be looking to sell or trade, but I'm looking for an XL of the same shirt preferably. These shirts run a little small, especially after you wash them so it doesn't fit like my other larges.