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october_midnight
12-02-2011, 11:17 AM
We need another catch all thread for all the non-news and garbage we all love reading. If you're from the old ETS you know what goes here, RIP posts, gossip, all the news that probably shouldn't be in the legit news thread. I'll start off with Scarlett Johansson apparently wanting to kick Blake Lively's ass. (http://www.wwtdd.com/2011/12/scarlett-johansson-hates-blake-lively/) Because let's be honest...who wouldn't order that on PPV?

thevoid99
12-02-2011, 03:07 PM
I think Scarlett will can definitely take on Blake Lively. Mind you, she was once a great actress years ago.

Corvus T. Cosmonaut
12-02-2011, 09:55 PM
Scarlett Johansson was a great actress?

thevoid99
12-03-2011, 01:28 PM
Yeah, if you counted her early work in films like Manny & Lo, The Horse Whisperer, The Man Who Wasn't There, Ghost World, An American Rhapsody, Girl with a Pearl Earring, and of course, Lost in Translation. After that, things become a mixed bag ranging from decent to just fuckin' awful.

Corvus T. Cosmonaut
12-03-2011, 02:18 PM
Okay. I wouldn't say she was great in any of those. Even the most critically-lauded, Lost in Translation, was carried on the backs of Bill Murray and Sofia Coppolla's direction.

I'm not trying to say she's bad, just unexceptional, adequate, benefiting most from good luck and good looks.

halloween
12-09-2011, 03:32 PM
God is trying to tell you something (stop having so many goddamn kids...)
The Duggars have a miscarriage (http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/09/showbiz/tv/michelle-duggar-miscarries-ppl/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3 A+Top+Stories%29)

october_midnight
12-09-2011, 03:38 PM
Who wants to see Lindsay Lohan's Playboy pics? (http://imgur.com/a/y2PNH#0)

NSFW and probably will make you shudder or wince...just a heads up.

theruiner
12-09-2011, 03:44 PM
God is trying to tell you something (stop having so many goddamn kids...)
The Duggars have a miscarriage (http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/09/showbiz/tv/michelle-duggar-miscarries-ppl/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+(RSS%3A+ Top+Stories))Seriously. You think she'll get it now? Will she see this as a sign from "God" or will she just continue to pump out children?

I feel bad for anyone in that situation, and I do feel bad for her, but she's still an unbelievable moron. Her and her husband.

Elke
12-09-2011, 04:36 PM
Who wants to see Lindsay Lohan's Playboy pics? (http://imgur.com/a/y2PNH#0)

NSFW and probably will make you shudder or wince...just a heads up.

If you don't have actual curves, don't try to pull a Marilyn.

thevoid99
12-09-2011, 10:54 PM
Who wants to see Lindsay Lohan's Playboy pics? (http://imgur.com/a/y2PNH#0)

NSFW and probably will make you shudder or wince...just a heads up.

She's got nice tits but she is not Marilyn Monroe. She's not even in Monroe's league of sexiness or acting talents.

halloween
12-10-2011, 12:48 AM
who wants to see lindsay lohan's playboy pics? (http://imgur.com/a/y2pnh#0)

nsfw and probably will make you shudder or wince...just a heads up.
photoshop hell

Jacob's Ladder
12-10-2011, 01:31 AM
photoshop hellWith that kind of help I could look like a smoking hot babe too.

theruiner
12-10-2011, 01:53 AM
photoshop hellWith that kind of help I could look like a smoking hot babe too.Note to self: pick up Photoshop.

orestes
12-10-2011, 10:24 PM
photoshop hell

Nice of them to airbrush out all the freckles.

heroicraptor
12-10-2011, 10:34 PM
Note to self: pick up Photoshop.

]nsfw: all kinds of awfulness up in the photoshop (http://jezebel.com/5535356/the-labiaplasty-you-never-knew-you-wanted-[nsfw)

halloween
12-11-2011, 11:52 AM
]nsfw: All kinds of awfulness up in the photoshop (http://jezebel.com/5535356/the-labiaplasty-you-never-knew-you-wanted-[nsfw)

i want to kill everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

con4cyn
12-11-2011, 01:34 PM
]nsfw: all kinds of awfulness up in the photoshop (http://jezebel.com/5535356/the-labiaplasty-you-never-knew-you-wanted-[nsfw)

AHHHHHHHHHH! I just needed to see the surgery, and I was DONE.

Dra508
12-15-2011, 10:15 AM
Seriously. You think she'll get it now? Will she see this as a sign from "God" or will she just continue to pump out children?

I feel bad for anyone in that situation, and I do feel bad for her, but she's still an unbelievable moron. Her and her husband.I have to believe that nothing will stay up in that woman's whoo whoo ever again. Let her kids start having the kids and get a hair cut.

I suspect Mr. Duggar is behind this since it they ain't making babies, they ain't having le seks.

Elke
01-03-2012, 05:56 AM
RIP Bob Anderson (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/jan/02/star-wars-swordsman-bob-anderson-dies)
A live well-lived, I'd say.

theruiner
01-08-2012, 03:11 PM
Here's the creepy story to end all creepy stories. David O. Russell accused of touching niece's breasts against her will (http://news-briefs.ew.com/2012/01/06/david-o-russell-groping-event-report/).

It's pretty bad when your response to, "Hey, you sexually assaulted your niece" isn't "Oh, dear God, of course I didn't" but "It was consensual! She wanted me to touch her breasts!" Um...ok, David.

orestes
01-08-2012, 06:29 PM
I think this is the only proper response.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4uTGvTFzyQ

Vertigo
01-08-2012, 06:48 PM
Here's the creepy story to end all creepy stories. David O. Russell accused of touching niece's breasts against her will (http://news-briefs.ew.com/2012/01/06/david-o-russell-groping-event-report/).

It's pretty bad when your response to, "Hey, you sexually assaulted your niece" isn't "Oh, dear God, of course I didn't" but "It was consensual! She wanted me to touch her breasts!" Um...ok, David.

Oh jesus. I feel so dirty for loving The Fighter so much...

allegro
01-19-2012, 06:30 PM
Happy belated 68th birthday (Jan 9), Jimmy Page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODidAgdL40Y

frankie teardrop
01-20-2012, 11:02 AM
awww, RIP etta james:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/20/showbiz/etta-james-obit/?hpt=hp_t1

october_midnight
01-27-2012, 02:27 PM
Demi Moore's 911 call. (http://www.straight.com/article-593941/vancouver/demi-moore-emergency-call-makes-you-want-avoid-health-problems-los-angeles?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

Posted mostly just so you can hear how fuckin' long it takes for the address to get sorted out. WTF.

slave2thewage
01-27-2012, 03:17 PM
Demi's my call for the dead pool this year.

Elke
01-28-2012, 08:38 AM
I couldn't listen for longer than a minute to be honest, because a) I felt like a voyeur and b) it made me physically ill to listen to that guy. Even I got the address after two times, and I'm not even a native English speaker.

Dra508
01-28-2012, 10:45 AM
You have to remember that people in the room are all excited, but the 911 guy has to make sure he gets all information. This is how they are trained. It's happened that ambulances have shown up Unfortunately, E911 doesn't work as well anymore since everyone uses their mobile phone now. In the past, calling from a landline made it easy. In the reverse, if they used position, we'd all get freaked out by invasion of privacy. If you kept listening (and I agree I felt like a voyeur) but things do settle down quite a lot.

I don't put Demi in the dead pool. That'd be Heather Locklear. She declined re-hab, never a good sign right?

*waits for "who the fuck is Heather Locklear comment.

Elke
01-28-2012, 10:57 AM
Yeah, I really had to switch it off after a minute, because I felt like a creep. You know, I think it's rather sad that someone can't have a problem of any kind without it being smeared out all over the press just because they're famous. Or, I should say: that they have to be judged for having a problem. I know, jealousy and blah blah, but still... Sad.

allegro
02-01-2012, 09:03 AM
R.I.P. Don Cornelius :-(

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/02/soul-train-creator-don-cornelius-dead-in-apparent-suicide.html



We watched Soul Train every Saturday during my childhood. It was the hippest trip in America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zpGfxgPEQY

october_midnight
02-01-2012, 09:03 AM
Soul Train creator Don Cornelius found dead in apparent suicide. (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/02/soul-train-creator-don-cornelius-dead-in-apparent-suicide.html)

allegro
02-01-2012, 09:10 AM
^^ Ha, wow, in sync (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/286-Random-Celebrity-Headlines?p=16729#post16729).

Conan The Barbarian
02-01-2012, 11:07 AM
That shit is fucking nuts.

thevoid99
02-01-2012, 02:38 PM
Man, the world won't be the same w/o Don Cornelius. If it wasn't for him, parties wouldn't have the Soul Train line while giving us some of the best soul music of the 70s.

Conan The Barbarian
02-01-2012, 05:04 PM
And, we wouldn't have had that awesome Fresh Prince episode.

allegro
02-01-2012, 10:46 PM
Soul Train really was the Black American Bandstand. The dancers were, of course, WAY better than on AB. (And, PROFESSIONAL.)

october_midnight
02-06-2012, 04:53 PM
Wow. Aguilera reeeaaally let herself go.

http://cdn.wwtdd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/christina_aguilera_the_voice.jpg

october_midnight
02-09-2012, 03:41 PM
Macaulay Culkin has lost an insane amount of weight. (http://movies.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-macaulay-culkins-gaunt-photo-142800888.html)

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/pztt3N2KCfbjLfImA0OcQA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7aD0zNzU7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/News/ETOnline/640_macaulay_culkin_gaunt_inf.jpg

Wonder what it is...

theruiner
02-09-2012, 05:05 PM
Wow. Yeah, something's definitely going on there. Isn't he, like, in his early 30s? I think he's only a couple years older than me. I'm not even going to make fun; I just hope he deals with whatever it is, because he looks very unhealthy.

Fixer808
02-09-2012, 06:41 PM
Macaulay Culkin has lost an insane amount of weight. (http://movies.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-macaulay-culkins-gaunt-photo-142800888.html)

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/pztt3N2KCfbjLfImA0OcQA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7aD0zNzU7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/News/ETOnline/640_macaulay_culkin_gaunt_inf.jpg

Wonder what it is...

That's not Tilda Swinton?!

Dra508
02-10-2012, 07:40 AM
He looks 60 not 30. Open your mouth Macaulay - let's see your teeth.

sentient02970
02-10-2012, 12:24 PM
"gaunt" doesn't even begin to describe it. Yikes.

leo3375
02-10-2012, 09:29 PM
Either he's slimming down dramatically for a film role, or he's got some serious drug issues, or he has an eating disorder of some kind. I seriously hope it's my first guess.

nvr_mind
02-10-2012, 11:51 PM
He almost looks like Cricket from It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia

allegro
02-11-2012, 12:03 AM
He looks like he has cancer or AIDS :-(

Corvus T. Cosmonaut
02-11-2012, 01:48 AM
He looks like Falcor.

Dra508
02-11-2012, 06:47 PM
He looks like he has cancer or AIDS :-(I think you might have hit the nail on the head there - it's the eyes. Nearly the look of death. Poor kid.

PQHooligan
02-11-2012, 06:54 PM
I recommend checking him out in this video - looks the same - it's just the camera angle people:

http://youtu.be/F4fQOte_6S0?t=26s

27 seconds in

onthewall2983
02-11-2012, 07:10 PM
Whitney Houston is dead according to Yahoo. No article, just a confirmation from her publicist.

orestes
02-11-2012, 07:10 PM
Crack is whack. (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/46355454#.TzcRhphA9SU)

theruiner
02-11-2012, 07:22 PM
I don't know why I was so shocked by that, but I was. That's a damn shame.

allegro
02-11-2012, 07:26 PM
Everything started going downhill for her after she hooked up with Bobby Brown.

Very sad, she had such talent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHmdu_I_0zI

october_midnight
02-11-2012, 07:34 PM
Yeah just saw this. Holy shit, pretty sad. RIP

miss k bee
02-11-2012, 08:55 PM
wtf! totally shocked about Whitney Houston, shame.

halloween
02-11-2012, 09:02 PM
Oh man, i just came here to post about her. RIP!

Elke
02-12-2012, 03:16 AM
Not that big a surprise, but very sad all the same... RIP Whitney.

botley
02-12-2012, 07:27 AM
A sad story — she had such a beautiful gift. I was at a seminar on engineering pop records once, and the guy who mixed "I Will Always Love You" told us he knew it was done after his first rough version. That's how powerful her voice was.

Space Suicide
02-12-2012, 08:46 AM
Time for lame brains that never gave a shit to talk and post about her for awhile now. (Not talking about any of you lot)

Dra508
02-12-2012, 12:18 PM
Time for lame brains that never gave a shit to talk and post about her for awhile now. (Not talking about any of you lot)Dude - that is how it works. Especially someone who's been out of the spot light for awhile. Based on these photos, I say she OD'd. She looks pretty good, pretty pissed, but relatively healthy. (http://www.buzzfeed.com/abrams/whitney-houston-left-hollywood-club-thursday-belli)

miss k bee
02-12-2012, 01:38 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/12/whitney-houston-dead-bobbi-kristina-hospital/

allegro
02-12-2012, 05:00 PM
Based on these photos, I say she OD'd. She looks pretty good, pretty pissed, but relatively healthy. (http://www.buzzfeed.com/abrams/whitney-houston-left-hollywood-club-thursday-belli)
Oh wow, my mom was telling me about those photos last night, she's bleeding and looks pretty fucked up.

Look at this, ugh, wow, she seems to be pretty high, and she's wearing sunglasses.
http://www.eonline.com/redcarpet/2012/grammys/news/whitney-houston-s-final-interview-with-e-watch-now/293571

G said he saw a report that she was found dead in the bathtub.

allegro
02-12-2012, 05:10 PM
On a lighter note, Blue Ivy Carter has her own Tumblr page:
http://helloblueivycarter.tumblr.com/

Probably in attempt to be cuter than Mariah Carey's and Nick Cannon's twins (which is not possible!)
http://www.dembabies.com/

brightshadow
02-13-2012, 03:17 AM
Oh wow, my mom was telling me about those photos last night, she's bleeding and looks pretty fucked up.

Look at this, ugh, wow, she seems to be pretty high, and she's wearing sunglasses.
http://www.eonline.com/redcarpet/2012/grammys/news/whitney-houston-s-final-interview-with-e-watch-now/293571

G said he saw a report that she was found dead in the bathtub.

Probably a drowning with some other contributing factor, l most likely drugs or even an MI. What a waste of such a talented lady.

allegro
02-13-2012, 09:18 AM
I'm voting more like Elvis ... heart attack.

Edit: Well, now I dunno, the police report that she was found underwater and dead.

miss k bee
02-13-2012, 10:55 AM
Nicki Minaj looked like a hot mess at the Grammys, she seemed to be channeling Lady Gaga who was watching in the audience and prob thinking 'bitch please'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2100373/Grammys-worst-dressed-Exposed-underwear-platform-work-boots-Pope.html

theruiner
02-16-2012, 10:36 PM
Breaking news: actor Neil Hope, of Degrassi fame, died...four years ago. (http://www.avclub.com/toronto/articles/neil-hope-degrassis-wheels-has-apparently-been-dea,69449/)

Um...what.

DF118
02-17-2012, 06:19 AM
Breaking news: actor Neil Hope, of Degrassi fame, died...four years ago. (http://www.avclub.com/toronto/articles/neil-hope-degrassis-wheels-has-apparently-been-dea,69449/)

Um...what.

I'm guessing they've only just found the body.

Delusional
02-17-2012, 08:08 AM
I'm guessing they've only just found the body.

Apparently they found the body four years ago in a boarding house but his family just found out about it.

Fixer808
02-17-2012, 08:59 PM
Bet Kevin Smith is pretty busted up.

theruiner
02-17-2012, 11:42 PM
^^Well, if he is, I sure hope it doesn't affect his impeccable quality.

Baphomette
02-19-2012, 12:23 AM
MC5 bassist, Michael Davis, dead at 68 due to liver failure. (http://http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/bassist-michael-davis-from-influential-60s-band-mc5-dies-at-age-68/2012/02/18/gIQAyIVeMR_story.html)
Thank you for inspiring a generation.

thevoid99
02-19-2012, 01:59 PM
MC5 bassist, Michael Davis, dead at 68 due to liver failure. (http://http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/bassist-michael-davis-from-influential-60s-band-mc5-dies-at-age-68/2012/02/18/gIQAyIVeMR_story.html)
Thank you for inspiring a generation.

And for KICKING OUT THE JAMS MOTHERFUCKER!!!

october_midnight
02-22-2012, 08:30 PM
Seinfeld star Daniel von Bargen survives suicide attempt. (http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/22/super-troopers-daniel-von-bargen-suicide-attempt-shot/)

theruiner
02-22-2012, 09:13 PM
That is so horrible.

october_midnight
02-29-2012, 12:09 PM
RIP Davy Jones (http://blogs.houstonpress.com/rocks/2012/02/rip_davy_jones_monkees_singer.php)

The Monkees always were kinda lame but still, RIP.

onthewall2983
02-29-2012, 12:27 PM
Head made their lame-ness worthwhile

thevoid99
02-29-2012, 03:07 PM
I dig the Monkees man! They had some good tunes. Plus, we should thank Davy Jones for making some other guy named David Jones change his last name to Bowie. If it wasn't for Davy Jones, we wouldn't have the Axl dance!

allegro
03-01-2012, 06:54 AM
All the girls around my age were really bummed out at the news. Back during our childhoods, Davy and Mickey were 100x bigger heartthrobs than Justin Bieber is today. Jones was even on the Brady Bunch, once (remember the one where Davy kissed Marcia's cheek and she said she'd never wash her face again?).

News radio reports yesterday were playing Monkees songs and saying Davy was lead singer and sang on such hits as ... and then they named songs -- including whatever song they played in the background -- and all the songs they played, and named, had MICKEY as the lead singer. Duh.

botley
03-01-2012, 09:31 AM
Ugh. That's the worst. Even if they didn't want to go with Daydream Believer, there are so many awesome songs he sung to choose from: I Wanna Be Free, Look Out Here Comes Tomorrow, A Little Bit You A Little Bit Me, Forget That Girl, She Hangs Out, Cuddly Toy, Star Collector, Valleri, Someday Man...

emptydesk
03-01-2012, 10:06 AM
The Monkees were so awesome, dig up a copy of HEADQUARTERS or PISCES, AQUARIUS, CAPRICORN & JONES, LTD and listen to them before you throw out those old boomer-era tropes about their "legitimacy" or "coolness".

allegro
03-01-2012, 02:10 PM
there are so many awesome songs he sung to choose from: I Wanna Be Free, Look Out Here Comes Tomorrow, A Little Bit You A Little Bit Me, Forget That Girl, She Hangs Out, Cuddly Toy, Star Collector, Valleri, Someday Man...
G was channel-surfing just a few nights ago and I looked up from reading a book and said, "wtf, the MONKEES are on?" and we watched the episode that had Rip Taylor in it and I said to G, "You know, back when we were kids, we thought this show was hilariously funny, but now it's just kinda stupid" but then they did the part of the show where the did a song and they did Cuddly Toy. The lyrics are bizarre. Davy Jones was really short. And he always danced like in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0emLj0d66DQ

Frozen Beach
03-04-2012, 12:24 AM
http://www.justjared.com/2012/03/03/kirk-cameron-homosexuality-is-unnatural-and-destructive/?ref=topposts
What a fucking idiot.

thevoid99
03-04-2012, 02:43 PM
http://www.justjared.com/2012/03/03/kirk-cameron-homosexuality-is-unnatural-and-destructive/?ref=topposts
What a fucking idiot.

Indeed, I hope Jesus bitch-slaps the guy back to hell.

Conan The Barbarian
03-04-2012, 07:21 PM
lol , this coming from a guy who starred in a show with a character named Boner.

onthewall2983
03-04-2012, 07:41 PM
Piers Morgan is equally a waste of space.

thevoid99
03-04-2012, 08:02 PM
Piers Morgan is equally a waste of space.

I can agree to that as well. What a wanker.

Frozen Beach
03-04-2012, 09:43 PM
http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/6521500/From-pop-angel-to-dark-diva
"..I'll be shoe-gazing."
OH GOD, MY SIDES

onthewall2983
03-05-2012, 01:06 PM
I can agree to that as well. What a wanker.

Countryside.

miss k bee
03-05-2012, 05:13 PM
Christina Hendricks phone pics hacked, lawks have mercy!


http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/67058090.html

Fixer808
03-05-2012, 05:36 PM
Eeeeeeeeexcellent.

orestes
03-05-2012, 07:25 PM
Damn you Don Draper pasties.

Hazekiah
03-06-2012, 01:06 AM
RIP Davy Jones (http://blogs.houstonpress.com/rocks/2012/02/rip_davy_jones_monkees_singer.php)

The Monkees always were kinda lame but still, RIP.

Anyone who has movie/video footage in common with NIN, shares a first and last name with David Bowie, and got covered by The Sex Pistols is cool enough for me.

In fact, I loved the re-runs of his TV so much as a kid that my mom took me to see The Monkees reunion at Six Flags when I was in the 4th grade, my first concert ever!

Obviously a looooooongtime habit of mine this guy officially kicked off. Bummer, I was still hoping to bootleg him with The Monkees someday and pay tribute again.

:-\

Fixer808
03-11-2012, 03:17 PM
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW!!! The feet... oh god... And the manic twinkle of crazy in her eyes.
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/VY8.pEcqccyyHK.0RaST3Q--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD05Njk7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/289/2012/03/08/SarahJessicaParker-ParisFashionWEek030712-jpg_233046.jpg

Hazekiah
03-11-2012, 04:30 PM
Yup, SHOCK OF THE CENTURY, people DO occasionally get old sometimes.

Sure beats the alternative!

Just close your eyes, think about the L.A. Story days, and work through it, man...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SGBSXgrLbn0/S_zSlZoixyI/AAAAAAAAANI/ey4DvKjVDAk/s1600/sarah_jessica_parker-1.jpg

theruiner
03-23-2012, 07:21 AM
Larry David: life imitates art. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/21/larry-davids-parking-gara_n_1371113.html)

That really does look like something straight out of a Curb episode.

miss k bee
03-31-2012, 06:19 AM
http://music.uk.msn.com/news/jerry-lee-lewis-in-seventh-marriage

Rock and roll to the soul!!

Fixer808
03-31-2012, 06:24 PM
http://music.uk.msn.com/news/jerry-lee-lewis-in-seventh-marriage

Rock and roll to the soul!!
And how is THIS one related to him?

theruiner
04-12-2012, 07:41 PM
This was kind of amusing: Courney Love accuses Dave Grohl of hitting on Frances Bean; Frances Bean replies, through Grohl's publicist, that Courtney is full of shit. (http://www.avclub.com/articles/frances-bean-cobain-twitter-should-ban-my-mother-a,72361/)

miss k bee
04-14-2012, 02:20 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2129558/Robin-Gibb-news-Bee-Gees-star-coma-doctors-fear-days-live.html

:( Just months ago he said he felt he was winning the battle

thevoid99
04-14-2012, 09:13 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2129558/Robin-Gibb-news-Bee-Gees-star-coma-doctors-fear-days-live.html

:( Just months ago he said he felt he was winning the battle

That will totally suck. I love the Bee Gees! I don't care what anyone says. They were a great group. It's not just the disco stuff that was great. The songs they did in the 60s and early 70s are true standards of pop. If he's going to go, at least there's Maurice and Andy. Soon, Barry will get a chance to join them for the ultimate Bee Gees reunion in the sky.

allegro
04-15-2012, 12:14 AM
aw man that's a bummer :-(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRNTQvXSsfA

imail724
04-17-2012, 08:39 PM
Levon Helm is in the "final stages" of cancer. (http://levonhelm.com) Sad :(

thevoid99
04-17-2012, 09:11 PM
Dammit, he's the one guy in the Band that I love. Much more than the so overrated Robbie Robertson.

PQHooligan
04-18-2012, 03:38 PM
RIP Dick Clark (http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/obit/story/2012-04-18/dick-clark-dies-at-82/54390716/1):(

Fixer808
04-18-2012, 03:47 PM
Levon Helm is in the "final stages" of cancer. (http://levonhelm.com) Sad :(
Oh man, that's shitty. One of the best bands to come out of the 60's!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jREUrbGGrgM&feature=related

marodi
04-18-2012, 04:27 PM
RIP Dick Clark (http://todayentertainment.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/18/11270165-dick-clark-dead-at-82?lite)
:(

Conan The Barbarian
04-18-2012, 04:55 PM
wow holy shit. :(. I will never forget his candid camera shows with Ed McMahon in the 80's.

allegro
04-18-2012, 10:19 PM
I almost entirely remembered him from Bandstand, since I watched it EVERY Saturday for my entire life until it went off the air.

But when I watched a tribute, tonight, I'd completely forgotten about the "$10,000 Pyramid" show. Back then, ten grand was evidently a lot of money.

Anyway, my entire childhood died with Dick Clark.

He was innovative and a LOT of musical artists owe their respective careers to him. Godspeed, Mr. Clark. I'll miss you forever.

october_midnight
04-19-2012, 02:51 PM
Levon Helm is in the "final stages" of cancer. (http://levonhelm.com) Sad :(

RIP....... (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/music/levon-helm-drummer-for-the-band-dies-at-71/article2407922/)

thevoid99
04-19-2012, 03:12 PM
RIP....... (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/music/levon-helm-drummer-for-the-band-dies-at-71/article2407922/)

I will play a few Band albums including The Basement Tapes in his honor. He was definitely one of the best drummers ever.

Fixer808
04-19-2012, 05:49 PM
Damn... I'm going to watch The Last Waltz tonight. The Band was such a musical force, and The Last Waltz shows just how much influence they had. That clip of The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down I posted above is so fucking powerful! The show apparently went on for hours, not all of it was recorded, because the crowd WOULDN'T LET THEM LEAVE! So they stayed, and they played, and if I had a time machine and could go to one show I'd say "fuck Woodstock, go to hell Beatles on a roof, suck a dick Nirvana unplugged, I'm seein' The BAND!".

Oh, and in unrelated celebrity news, Mel Gibson is still a crazy person.

theruiner
04-22-2012, 01:59 AM
Robin Gibb has come out of his coma (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2012/04/robin-gibb-wakes-from-coma/1#.T5Or3NlSSCQ)

PQHooligan
04-22-2012, 05:10 PM
Robin Gibb has come out of his coma (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2012/04/robin-gibb-wakes-from-coma/1#.T5Or3NlSSCQ)

I was blasting Nights On Broadway, Love You Inside And Out and other classics by them all night, so this is great news!

allegro
04-26-2012, 10:28 PM
Ends up that Ronnie Montrose commited suicide. :-(

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/10/ronnie-montrose-suicide-death-coroner_n_1416536.html

orestes
05-04-2012, 12:09 PM
*thread crossover*

RIP Adam Yauch. (http://pitchfork.com/news/46406-rip-adam-yauch-of-the-beastie-boys/) :(

I thought he had beat cancer and was in remission but I guess not. Damn.

Conan The Barbarian
05-04-2012, 12:11 PM
Holy shit that sucks.

Fixer808
05-04-2012, 05:16 PM
*thread crossover*

RIP Adam Yauch. (http://pitchfork.com/news/46406-rip-adam-yauch-of-the-beastie-boys/) :(

I thought he had beat cancer and was in remission but I guess not. Damn.
Tragic, fucking cancer. Guy was a true talent.

The only up side is that celebrities die in threes, we're down one Levon and one Yauch, so here's hoping Chad Kroeger is next.

october_midnight
05-04-2012, 06:30 PM
And Ted Nugent walks the earth, feeling well today.

miss k bee
05-04-2012, 06:42 PM
Very sad RIP

frankie teardrop
05-08-2012, 02:02 PM
and another piece of my childhood passes away:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/09/books/maurice-sendak-childrens-author-dies-at-83.html

Dra508
05-11-2012, 05:33 PM
and another piece of my childhood passes away:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/09/books/maurice-sendak-childrens-author-dies-at-83.htmlWhere The Wild Things Are was my favorite book. I could stare at the pages for what felt like hours. In the Night Kitchen just bugged me.

Fixer808
05-12-2012, 03:46 PM
Carroll Shelby, you will live on in the legacy of cars I cannot afford to buy.

october_midnight
05-16-2012, 01:16 PM
Terminator 3 actor Nick Stahl reported missing. (http://www.tmz.com/2012/05/16/nick-stahl-missing-terminator-3/)

marodi
05-16-2012, 02:35 PM
Terminator 3 actor Nick Stahl reported missing. (http://www.tmz.com/2012/05/16/nick-stahl-missing-terminator-3/)

I really hope he'll turn out okay; I've always like him as an actor.

The freakiest thing is that I was watching the trailer of his latest movie yesterday and... well, check out the last scene of it for yourselves:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_UOHrQNTwE

Fixer808
05-16-2012, 07:22 PM
Terminator 3 actor Nick Stahl reported missing. (http://www.tmz.com/2012/05/16/nick-stahl-missing-terminator-3/)
They say it's drugs, and my theory is that he turned to them because people keep remembering he was in Terminator 3.

allegro
05-17-2012, 11:19 AM
TMZ is reporting that Donna Summer is dead at 63 after a battle with cancer. :-(

i didn't even know she was sick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8TBmeK9Abg

frankie teardrop
05-17-2012, 11:31 AM
neither did i, major drag. cranking the original 8 minute morodor mix:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7r83-y3j2A

and let's not forget all 17 minutes of this classic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5AztWseIdU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5AztWseIdU&feature=related)

allegro
05-17-2012, 11:43 AM
Ugh, I hated Love to Love You. But "I Feel Love" was unbelievably awesome.

frankie teardrop
05-17-2012, 11:44 AM
hah, sorry to make that edit there. prefer 'i feel love' but have some uh...childhood memories to 'love to love you baby.'

always loved this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHjgZwRNR9c

miss k bee
05-17-2012, 01:43 PM
TMZ is reporting that Donna Summer is dead at 63 after a battle with cancer. :-(

i didn't even know she was sick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8TBmeK9Abg


Didn't know she was ill either! :(

RIP

Dra508
05-17-2012, 02:00 PM
Nooooooo The queen of disco.

thevoid99
05-17-2012, 03:33 PM
I motherfucking hate you cancer!!!!

Donna Summers was awesome. She made disco OK for rockers to get down. Plus, she inspired this great scene from The Full Monty:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW1-1XAhR6Q&feature=related

october_midnight
05-18-2012, 10:21 PM
Rule #1. Never try to kiss the Fresh Prince. (http://www.wwtdd.com/2012/05/will-smith-slapped-a-reporter/)

Elke
05-19-2012, 06:16 AM
In his defence, if a random person I didn't know and didn't give permission tried to kiss me on the lips, local custom or not, I'd do the exact same thing. Though it does look rather bad.

Jinsai
05-20-2012, 02:17 PM
In his defence, if a random person I didn't know and didn't give permission tried to kiss me on the lips, local custom or not, I'd do the exact same thing. Though it does look rather bad.

According to TMZ, that reporter has already been making a name for himself by trying to kiss famous people. Will Smith annoys the hell out of me in general, but I don't blame him for his reaction here.

hobochic
05-20-2012, 02:45 PM
I don't blame his reaction either. What's freaky is how easily Will Smith turns on his always forced "happy go lucky guy"-schtick when he continues.

october_midnight
05-20-2012, 02:47 PM
I don't blame his reaction either. What's freaky is how easily Will Smith turns on his always forced "happy go lucky guy"-schtick when he continues.

Yeah that weirded me out too.

miss k bee
05-20-2012, 05:35 PM
RIP Robin Gibb, just heard on LBC Radio

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18140862

Just read the drummer from Crowded House died this week as well from cancer as well :(

wtf is going on...

october_midnight
05-20-2012, 05:46 PM
Just read that. Dammit. RIP :(

Sounds weird (and cliche) I know, but so damn young. Sure, we're accustomed to anyone dying in this day and age, but maybe I'm just used to hearing 'Dead at 83.' 'Dead at 91.' Seeing all these fantastic artists pass on in their late 50's/early 60's effing sucks.

thevoid99
05-20-2012, 06:48 PM
Oh man!!! Levon Helm, Donna Summer, Adam "MCA" Yauch, Dick Clark, and now Robin Gibb!!! Dammit!

Conan The Barbarian
05-20-2012, 07:38 PM
RIP Robin Gibb, just heard on LBC Radio

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18140862

Just read the drummer from Crowded House died this week as well from cancer as well :(

wtf is going on...

Yea pretty sad.. Its just their time. Maybe where ever the dead is needed, they are planning some huge party.

butter_hole
05-21-2012, 02:04 AM
I don't blame his reaction either. What's freaky is how easily Will Smith turns on his always forced "happy go lucky guy"-schtick when he continues.
it's almost as if he acts for a living or something

october_midnight
05-21-2012, 01:21 PM
Terminator 3 actor Nick Stahl reported missing. (http://www.tmz.com/2012/05/16/nick-stahl-missing-terminator-3/)

No longer missing; in rehab. (http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=24909&count=0)

miss k bee
05-21-2012, 06:01 PM
Bassist from Booker T and the MG's as well. They must all be having a funky party in heaven. RIP

october_midnight
05-30-2012, 06:12 PM
Dominic Monaghan (LOST's "Charlie") goes on Twitter spree saying that Matthew Fox ("Jack") is a woman beater. (http://www.wwtdd.com/2012/05/dominic-monaghan-says-matthew-fox-beats-women/)

Also from the same article, Fox has apparently spent the past 3 years living off a strict diet of shark blood and HGH in an attempt to condition himself in to a shredded merchant of death. Jesus...

http://cdn.wwtdd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/matthew_fox_alex_cross_movie.jpg

Fixer808
05-30-2012, 06:20 PM
Hope ol' Dom armed himself heavily before that. I mean, if he's seen that photo...

marodi
05-30-2012, 08:02 PM
Kathie Lee Gifford asks Martin Short about the state of his marriage without realizing that his wife died in 2010 (http://www.thewrap.com/tv/article/kathie-lee-gifford-asks-martin-short-about-his-wife-without-realizing-shes-dead-video-42076)

Can you say "awkward"?

theruiner
05-30-2012, 08:11 PM
Oh, yeah. That can be embarrassing. (http://tinyurl.com/6qjzfek)

october_midnight
06-03-2012, 11:53 AM
Original 'Family Feud' host Richard Dawson dies. (http://gawker.com/5915239/richard-dawson-original-family-feud-host-dies-at-79)

RIP you magnificent drunken bastard.

marodi
06-03-2012, 12:37 PM
Original 'Family Feud' host Richard Dawson dies. (http://gawker.com/5915239/richard-dawson-original-family-feud-host-dies-at-79)

RIP you magnificent drunken bastard.

RIP Richard. You were awesome.

thevoid99
06-03-2012, 02:34 PM
Original 'Family Feud' host Richard Dawson dies. (http://gawker.com/5915239/richard-dawson-original-family-feud-host-dies-at-79)

RIP you magnificent drunken bastard.

I love that guy. He was awesome. Flirting with all of the women on the show while being drunk. He was also great in The Running Man, a very underrated film.

miss k bee
06-03-2012, 06:33 PM
Desperate Housewives star dies aged 72

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/s21/desperate-housewives/news/a385096/desperate-housewives-star-kathryn-joosten-dies-aged-72.html

allegro
06-03-2012, 06:46 PM
I love that guy. He was awesome. Flirting with all of the women on the show while being drunk. He was also great in The Running Man, a very underrated film.

Loved him on Feud but he was also great on Hogan's Heroes and Match Game! RIP :-(

Dra508
06-04-2012, 05:28 PM
Loved him on Feud but he was also great on Hogan's Heroes and Match Game! RIP :-(Match game! loved that show. God knows why - it was so silly. Bunch of has-beens sitting around like they were at a cocktail party - smoking and drinking and writing with giant markers.
Saw this one get posted yesterday: http://youtu.be/lpSbeiPLB30

PQHooligan
06-04-2012, 06:24 PM
^^ one of the greatest game show moments (at least one of my favorites) ever.

Sutekh
06-05-2012, 05:55 AM
Dull to be twinned with boring? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-18322606

Highly Psychological
06-06-2012, 12:23 AM
Horror legend Clive Barker is being accused by his ex Boyfriend of giving him HIV and then dumping him....and being addicted to Crystal Meth, Oxycontin, Percocet, Vicodin and Cocaine.
Also mentions that he shared intravenous needles with his cousin whilst involved in a sexual relationship that involved sadomasochism.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/06/05/clive-barker-candyman-hellraiser-lawsuit-hiv-gay/4/#comments-anchor

He is a terrifying writer with a brilliant disturbing mind......but If you have read some of his material....this story probably wont shock you.

Elke
06-06-2012, 09:46 AM
Armstrong claims he was a partner in Barker's business ventures and is entitled to a cut of the profits. He also says he was promised support for life.

Aha. Et voilą, the true reason for the lawsuit. Because really, he gave me AIDS? It's only a crime if you infect someone knowingly, or force someone to engage in unprotected sex with you.

allegro
06-06-2012, 10:22 AM
Match game! loved that show. God knows why - it was so silly. Bunch of has-beens sitting around like they were at a cocktail party - smoking and drinking and writing with giant markers.
So true!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOmL3JGWSVI

october_midnight
06-06-2012, 10:33 AM
RIP Ray Bradbury (http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/story/2012-06-06/ray-bradbury-dies/55417888/1)

darktemplar007
06-06-2012, 11:10 PM
RIP Ray Bradbury (http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/story/2012-06-06/ray-bradbury-dies/55417888/1)
So bummed about this. RIP.
:(

Frozen Beach
06-11-2012, 01:34 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-tommy-chong-battling-prostate-cancer-20120610,0,6796187.story
Fuck cancer.

slave2thewage
06-11-2012, 02:02 AM
Clive Barker was giving a talk over here last year. I was gonna go and even though he's WAY over my age limit, I would've put out for him. Good thing I didn't go then.

Conan The Barbarian
06-11-2012, 06:36 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-tommy-chong-battling-prostate-cancer-20120610,0,6796187.story
fuck cancer.


nnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thevoid99
06-11-2012, 02:08 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-tommy-chong-battling-prostate-cancer-20120610,0,6796187.story
Fuck cancer.

I hate you cancer. You took away my grandmother.

theruiner
06-15-2012, 11:12 PM
Giancarlo Esposito was stopped by police (while leaving a play...that he was in!) because he supposedly matched the description of a suspect. (http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2012/06/15/500200/this-fathers-day-a-salute-to-louis-ck-the-best-dad-on-television/)

That's pretty messed up.

...And, you know...they have no idea who they're messing with. ;)


Sorry. I couldn't resist.

october_midnight
06-18-2012, 09:31 PM
Jack Osbourne diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/jack-osbourne-diagnosed-multiple-sclerosis-26/story?id=16597252#.T9_kQJFtJoU)

onthewall2983
06-18-2012, 09:50 PM
The real bitch of that is that he discovered it right when his child was born. That sucks :(

Goldfoot
06-18-2012, 10:20 PM
The real bitch of that is that he discovered it right when his child was born. That sucks :(

It's not a hereditary disease. Having it in your family does increase the chance of getting it, but it is by no means an assurance that his daughter will get it. My grandma has had it nearly all of her life, and yet neither my mom and aunt show no signs of it (both in their 40s), nor do my sisters, cousin, or myself.

october_midnight
06-19-2012, 05:17 PM
No longer missing; in rehab. (http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=24909&count=0)

Annnnnnnnd....missing again. (http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=25190&count=0)

Fixer808
06-20-2012, 03:42 PM
He's tryin' to live off the grid, gotta stay ahead of Skynet...

theruiner
06-26-2012, 11:35 PM
RIP Nora Ephron (http://www.slashfilm.com/writerdirector-nora-ephron-passes-71/)

allegro
06-26-2012, 11:55 PM
RIP Nora Ephron (http://www.slashfilm.com/writerdirector-nora-ephron-passes-71/)

This SO bums me out. :-(

theruiner
06-27-2012, 12:16 AM
I haven't seen most of her movies (I haven't even seen When Harry Met Sally*...how sad is that?) but I was shocked by how much I liked You've Got Mail.


*=I know she didn't direct it, but she wrote it.

allegro
06-28-2012, 12:18 PM
I haven't even seen When Harry Met Sally*...how sad is that?
WHAT?!?!?!?!? jesus christ, GO RENT THAT MOVIE, will ya? I've seen it, like, 57 times.

october_midnight
06-29-2012, 01:42 PM
In a stunning turn of events, Katie Holmes has filed for divorce from Tom Cruise. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2012/06/29/holmes-cruise-divorce.html)

Cue 'jumping the couch' jokes in 5...4...3...

ambergris
06-29-2012, 03:57 PM
In a stunning turn of events, Katie Holmes has filed for divorce from Tom Cruise. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2012/06/29/holmes-cruise-divorce.html)

Cue 'jumping the couch' jokes in 5...4...3...


http://blindgossip.com/?p=41993#more-41993


It was all a FAAAAAAAAKKKEE!!!!

Torgo
06-29-2012, 05:36 PM
https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/396056_10151874261575007_236834099_n.jpg

october_midnight
06-29-2012, 05:58 PM
Somewhere, the soul of L. Ron Hubbard laughs frantically...

miss k bee
07-01-2012, 02:05 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2167164/Tom-Cruise-Katie-Holmes-divorce-Actress-stalked-weeks-mystery-men.html


Under the doctrine a child can make his or her
own decisions and Tom treated his daughter 'like a little adult'.

A family friend said: 'Tom basically treats
Suri as a little adult, however Katie treats her like a six-year-old child, and
that causes major clashes.'

'The couple were arguing over
Suri.'

The source added to RadarOnline.com: 'Katie
did not want Tom making all the decisions in Suri's life, and that's what was
going on. She decided it was high time she started deciding on what was best for
her daughter, or at least having an equal say, and she knew that would be
impossible if she remained Mrs. Tom Cruise.'


If that is true I am not surprised!

Elke
07-02-2012, 03:36 AM
The media are going to have a field day with this. Make that a field summer.

Jinsai
07-02-2012, 02:59 PM
Anderson Cooper comes out of the closet (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/anderson-cooper-gay-comes-154527163--finance.html)

The only reason this is surprising to me is because I thought it was already commonly known that he was gay.

Although if you want to make yourself sick, read the user comments on that article. That is quite possibly the biggest grouping of ignorant and vile stupidity I've ever seen on a non-conservative rant site.

jessamineny
07-02-2012, 03:31 PM
What am I missing? I clicked through quite a few replies, and they all seemed to be of some variety...
So what?
Duh.
Who's next, (insert celebrity name here)?


VVV That's actually what I would have expected. Guess the trolls all shot their wads early. : /

Jinsai
07-02-2012, 04:13 PM
What am I missing? I clicked through quite a few replies, and they all seemed to be of some variety...
So what?
Duh.
Who's next, (insert celebrity name here)?

When I clicked on it, it seemed like the comments were completely dominated by people saying crazy homophobic stuff, but it's updating so fast it's hard to keep track. Maybe the comments comparing him to Sandusky and saying he was going to go to hell etc were the immediate result of it being linked on Drudge.

october_midnight
07-03-2012, 10:38 AM
RIP Andy Griffith (http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/1220632--andy-griffith-dies-at-age-86)

Dra508
07-03-2012, 01:57 PM
Anderson Cooper comes out of the closet (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/anderson-cooper-gay-comes-154527163--finance.html)

The only reason this is surprising to me is because I thought it was already commonly known that he was gay.

Although if you want to make yourself sick, read the user comments on that article. That is quite possibly the biggest grouping of ignorant and vile stupidity I've ever seen on a non-conservative rant site.
I too thought everyone knew this one. At least he's talking about it now with purpose. This country is so homophobic.

thevoid99
07-03-2012, 02:35 PM
RIP Andy Griffith (http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/1220632--andy-griffith-dies-at-age-86)

Man, the loss of a true icon. I didn't know he was sick or anything. He seemed so lively till the end.

theruiner
07-04-2012, 04:08 AM
Frank Ocean comes out. (http://gawker.com/frank-ocean/)

I'm not gonna lie; I had to Google who that was. I'm officially out of touch.

Anyway, that's pretty awesome. I'm hoping this isn't as big of a deal as it used to be, and with each successive famous person who comes out, I hope this becomes less and less of a big deal. This sort of thing certainly contributes to that.


Edit: WOW. It's worth reading his actual blog post. Really moving.

Mantra
07-04-2012, 02:12 PM
Frank Ocean comes out. (http://gawker.com/frank-ocean/)

I'm not gonna lie; I had to Google who that was. I'm officially out of touch.

Anyway, that's pretty awesome. I'm hoping this isn't as big of a deal as it used to be, and with each successive famous person who comes out, I hope this becomes less and less of a big deal. This sort of thing certainly contributes to that.


Edit: WOW. It's worth reading his actual blog post. Really moving.

yeah, seems like a pretty big deal both for hip hop at large and specifically for the whole odd future crew. it's interesting given some of the incredibly homophobic lyrics of other Odd Future members. I wonder if he was out to them or not. And Syd tha Kyd, who is lesbian, just re-tweeted this: "People say Odd Future is homophobic and it turns out they're the most LGBT-friendly music group in America. I love irony."

Iran_Ed
07-04-2012, 02:34 PM
just re-tweeted this: "People say Odd Future is homophobic and it turns out they're the most LGBT-friendly music group in America. I love irony."

If that were true, the country's worse off than I thought it was. I read some of his post this morning and was thinking. If the other members of the group knew this beforehand they have to be the worse band mates and friends ever. Openly making fun of and making a career out of trashing gays while two of your members are is just unthinkable and disgusting. If they didn't know I hope this changes them, or at least forces them to grow up a bit. The very people they get off on trashing are the very people who have helped them get to where they are. They should feel ashamed either way.

Mantra
07-04-2012, 05:02 PM
Well since the news came out, both Tyler and Earl (who are generally responsible for the most aggressively homophobic lyrics) have been on twitter saying really supportive things to Frank.

I mean, you can't just dismiss that tweet entirely. Odd Future really is quite remarkable. Of course there have been plenty of openly gay rappers already, but they've all been really obscure and unknown. OF really is the first major hip hop group to have openly gay members, and it's just so weird given how much homophobia they produce simultaneously.

Iran_Ed
07-05-2012, 01:11 PM
Well since the news came out, both Tyler and Earl (who are generally responsible for the most aggressively homophobic lyrics) have been on twitter saying really supportive things to Frank.

I mean, you can't just dismiss that tweet entirely. Odd Future really is quite remarkable. Of course there have been plenty of openly gay rappers already, but they've all been really obscure and unknown. OF really is the first major hip hop group to have openly gay members, and it's just so weird given how much homophobia they produce simultaneously.

Blind rage is always easy when you don't have a familiar face to place along with where the hate is being aimed. This is not one but two people from within, and one was already out. Yet you continue to spew your hate bullshit and showed no signs of stopping. I applaud Frank for what he did, but can you imagine the knife in the back feeling he must have been going through. A few tweets can't change that. Last year when Jay-Z became a father he said he would never use the word bitch again. I read a article with the writer asking that while that was wonderful. He's been using the word since he's been married to his beautiful wife. Why didn't that stop him? Is that a bit different, yes, but I ask the same question. If you had one member who was out, why didn't you stop there? That makes it look worse to me, and a few overnight tweets can't change the reputation they've built for themselves over the last few years. /Rant

Vertigo
07-05-2012, 03:54 PM
Never listened to Odd Future, but it does bring back flashbacks of Eminem - notorious for homophobic lyrics, but like much of his act, it wasn't intended seriously. Ended up performing a duet with Elton John, and cashing in on the image with an arse-in-face skit with Sacha Baron-Cohen for Bruno.

Not to say it's remotely morally justifiable, but rap tends to inhabit a strange, ultra-offensive fictional universe. How many gangster rappers today actually spend their weekends doing drivebys? And I'm guessing Dr. Dre doesn't get his wife in the mood by saying "I just wanna fuck bad bitches."

Mantra
07-05-2012, 04:48 PM
Blind rage is always easy when you don't have a familiar face to place along with where the hate is being aimed. This is not one but two people from within, and one was already out. Yet you continue to spew your hate bullshit and showed no signs of stopping. I applaud Frank for what he did, but can you imagine the knife in the back feeling he must have been going through. A few tweets can't change that. Last year when Jay-Z became a father he said he would never use the word bitch again. I read a article with the writer asking that while that was wonderful. He's been using the word since he's been married to his beautiful wife. Why didn't that stop him? Is that a bit different, yes, but I ask the same question. If you had one member who was out, why didn't you stop there? That makes it look worse to me, and a few overnight tweets can't change the reputation they've built for themselves over the last few years. /Rant
I obviously don't know for sure, but I'm guessing that Frank just isn't bothered by it. OF is a really tight group of friends. Syd has said that she isn't phased in the least bit by what they say, and has said something to the effect of "they treat me as an equal" and that that's all she cares about.

Honestly, I really don't think Tyler is actually some hateful homophobic person, he just says totally non-PC stuff for the same reason he raps about cannibalism and rape and draws swastikas on stuff. He isn't a real-life cannibal nazi rapist, he just wants attention. I'm not even commenting on whether that's right or not, I'm just saying that I doubt Syd and Frank take any of it very seriously or have any "knife in the back" feelings about the group.

Elke
07-06-2012, 02:07 AM
Not to say it's remotely morally justifiable, but rap tends to inhabit a strange, ultra-offensive fictional universe. How many gangster rappers today actually spend their weekends doing drivebys? And I'm guessing Dr. Dre doesn't get his wife in the mood by saying "I just wanna fuck bad bitches."

The problem is that while the performers are usually aware of the disconnect, and plenty of people in general are smart enough to assume it, an equal (and frustratingly large) group of people take all the image and weird boasting very seriously, and try to emulate their heroes. I know, because I teach those kids and they do call their girlfriends 'bitch' and pass them around like a freebee toke, they do think violence is cool and they do bully and beat up gay people. And it's quite difficult to explain to them that actually, most of those rappers they adore, are rather different in real life. I managed to find an interview with (of all people!) 50 Cents where he talks about homosexuality in a rather moderate and friendly fashion, and they thought I made it up myself. So...

When you create art, whatever it is, and send it into the world, I do think you have a measure of responsibility to make sure people don't misinterpret what you're doing. I think certain hiphop acts, notably Eminem and the Beastie Boys, made it quite clear that their views on homosexuality had evolved, but I don't see too many other players of worth make those statements.

Mantra
07-06-2012, 03:06 AM
^Yeah but it's precisely for that very reason that Odd Future is pretty different and interesting. It's not like with some rappers where you gotta dig up some obscure interview quote where they begrudgingly say "Well, I guess gay people aren't that bad." With OF, it's a major part of their group's identity, because Syd and Frank are two of the most prominent members of the group. Every single OF fan in the entire world is aware that Syd and Frank (now that he's out) are gay. So it just makes you think, like, what really does happen when a bunch of kids emulate Odd Future? It's kinda simplistic to just be like "OF are hateful bigots, period."

Iran_Ed
07-06-2012, 11:30 PM
^Yeah but it's precisely for that very reason that Odd Future is pretty different and interesting. It's not like with some rappers where you gotta dig up some obscure interview quote where they begrudgingly say "Well, I guess gay people aren't that bad." With OF, it's a major part of their group's identity, because Syd and Frank are two of the most prominent members of the group. Every single OF fan in the entire world is aware that Syd and Frank (now that he's out) are gay. So it just makes you think, like, what really does happen when a bunch of kids emulate Odd Future? It's kinda simplistic to just be like "OF are hateful bigots, period."

I think you're missing Elke's and my point. Just because you don't think that Tyler(and I'm singling him out because he's seen as the face of/leader) isn't homophobic doesn't mean others don't. We're posting on a band's fan forum. I don't think that makes us your average fan. Not everyone is like that, some people just hear the message, process it and emulate it. The fact that two members of the band are gay doesn't change the fact that some pretty shit things have been said. About a year ago I think Sara of Tegan and Sara wrote this long blog post intended for Tyler asking him why he stoops so low as to have gay bashing be a prominent part of his message. His reply back was if you or your sister ever need some dick hit me up. I honestly don't think he's smart enough to realize what he is contributing to. When the group first started to become popular I was intrigued. I was glad to see rap back in the hands of angry young black men, instead of the money hungry bullshit most rappers are now. Then I took a listen, and regretted what I had wished for. I'll say this again, the fact that the other members still made gay bashing part of their rhymes while they had one known member of the group out is distasteful. Now that there are two members out its completely selfish. If it keeps up not only will the other members look like complete assholes, but Frank Ocean and Syd will look like they have no self respect. I wouldn't be friends/collaborate with someone who's main talent was to put down people of my ilk. I would like my friends to treat me with a bit more respect.

Elke
07-07-2012, 09:00 AM
It's a bit like the whole Beenie Man thing: if you come from a country where people are lynched and raped for being gay and you sing homophobic songs, you're an asshole, period.
So in this case, if you come from a country where people are being bullied and beated to death for being gay and you sing homophobic songs... there you go.

Mantra
07-08-2012, 04:40 AM
The fact that two members of the band are gay doesn't change the fact that some pretty shit things have been said.

No, but the fact that some pretty shit things have been said doesn't change the fact that Syd and Frank are gay. It's like having the first black president. They're the biggest hip hop group in forever and they have two gay members. It's a big deal. I remember wondering when we'd get our first gay rapper, and now we have two. That's kinda game-changing.


I'll say this again, the fact that the other members still made gay bashing part of their rhymes while they had one known member of the group out is distasteful. Now that there are two members out its completely selfish. If it keeps up not only will the other members look like complete assholes, but Frank Ocean and Syd will look like they have no self respect. I wouldn't be friends/collaborate with someone who's main talent was to put down people of my ilk. I would like my friends to treat me with a bit more respect.

I understand what you're saying, because I always imagine these awkward moments where Tyler is rapping something about faggots and Syd is sitting there mixing it. Seems like it would be weird, but maybe not.

Honestly though, everyone in OF seems very close, and every single member has been incredibly supportive of Frank. Tyler calls Frank his big brother. At the end of the day, I think that counts for a lot more than their over the top shock-rap songs, and I suspect that that's how Frank and Syd feel about it too. OF fans have been almost unanimously proud about this. Very few fans threatening to stop listening to him or any bullshit like that. If anything, this just adds to the group's reputation. They've always had a certain disdain for hip hop royalty, and present themselves as weird outsiders who like to piss people off. So this is just one more controversy in a long list of many, one more thing that makes them fun and different. The hype around Frank's upcoming album (which was already huge) just tripled after this.

Seriously, all things considered, OF is a positive influence.

Elke
07-08-2012, 07:48 AM
But, and I think that's quite important, only if you know them well enough. If you're just a random teenager downloading shit that sounds good onto your iPod, you'll think 'Oh yeah, those faggots really need to get their ass screwed tight' and that's it. And that is a problem.

It's a bit like the obvious misogyny in the entire hiphop culture, and especially in a lot of rap lyrics. Young men I taught in Brussels actually address their girlfriends as bitches and putes, and meant it as a sort of claim over them as well as a token of affection. And girls figured that in a sexual relationship, the pleasure of their man came first. Whenever we discussed those subjects, they often went as far as referring to examples they saw on television and in lyrics to songs.
A lot of people take things at face value, don't go looking for background or better understanding, and start emulating people because they think they're cool. Adults do it all the time in naming their kids after celebrities, or celebrities' kids / dogs / album titles (or brands of very non-posh champagne). I know from working with them that kids aren't usually stupid, but they are very easily influenced by things and people they find important or knowledgeable or they respect.

So, in conclusion, while coming out is really a big and positive step, and even bigger step would be to say: You know what, we're not going to do the homophobic shit anymore, and if we do, we'll add some rhymes that bash breeders.

Mantra
07-08-2012, 12:37 PM
All the stuff I've mentioned is brought up in the very music itself. Syd's sexuality was talked about in one of the very first big OF songs, and it's referenced in a bunch of other songs too. She has a music video showing her making out with other women. Frank hasn't really been out long enough for this to have become a topic in their songs yet, but I can almost guarantee that it'll show up in their future lyrics, it's too gotten way too much media attention for them to ignore it.

And Tyler's big brother view of Frank is something I got straight from their songs, not some interview. It's in "Oldie," which is the same song where he says something like 'this is for the kids who got called weird, fag, bitch, nerd, cause you was into jazz, cats, and Steven Spielberg." The sort of weird, self-contradicting place that OF occupies isn't something that people pick up by digging through obscure internet articles. It's in the very music itself, and I see it represented in the fans too (probably most succinctly when I saw some youtube commenter the other day say "fuck all them homophobic faggots").

You would have to be the dumbest listener ever to not understand this about them. I suppose that must happen, I used to know someone who didn't realize that Rage Against the Machine was a political band after owning their albums for several years, but I think people that dense are in the minority.

Iran_Ed
07-08-2012, 01:08 PM
but I think people that dense are in the minority.

You'd be surprised.
I'll leave the argument with this. The band has no control over who listens to them and what they take from it. It seems what you hear and what I hear are different. I'm a black gay dude and the taste left in my mouth is just too bitter. Even if the band aren't bashing gays left and right, they're leaving the door open for someone who doesn't get the joke. That's my problem, Odd Future don't need a Mark David Chapman on their hands.

Jinsai
07-08-2012, 01:14 PM
I'm not a big Odd Future fan, but the only homophobic lyrics I remember are the ones addressing Bruno Mars, and while I'm not homophobic, you can say whatever the fuck you want about that guy and his shitty music.

Frozen Beach
07-08-2012, 02:21 PM
I think Frank Ocean recognizes the ridiculous sense of humor Tyler and the gang have. I also think he recognizes that he's too old to get his panties in a bunch over what a bunch of manchildren have to say.

Props to him.

Fixer808
07-08-2012, 04:56 PM
Ernest Borgnine, a legend, dead at 95.
http://www.hwdyk.com/q/images/boyscoutsnthehood_10.jpg

Baphomette
07-08-2012, 04:57 PM
RIP Ernest Borgnine. You had a great run! (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBIT_BORGNINE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-07-08-17-22-49)

Iran_Ed
07-09-2012, 05:00 PM
I'll leave the argument with this.

Last Time...http://iran-ed.tumblr.com/post/26858101772/nosubjectkid-thepoliticalnotebook-be

october_midnight
07-13-2012, 12:52 PM
Michael Clarke Duncan goes in to cardiac arrest, almost dies. (http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/13/michael-clarke-duncan-hospitalized-cardiac-arrest-omarosa)

littlemonkey613
07-13-2012, 08:51 PM
You'd be surprised.I'll leave the argument with this. The band has no control over who listens to them and what they take from it. It seems what you hear and what I hear are different. I'm a black gay dude and the taste left in my mouth is just too bitter. Even if the band aren't bashing gays left and right, they're leaving the door open for someone who doesn't get the joke. That's my problem, Odd Future don't need a Mark David Chapman on their hands.

I agree with everything you and Elke are saying. My main argument would be that Odd Future isn't really different to mainstream radio rap when it comes down to it. They follow the same cues, by rapping about the same exact things that the trash on the radio does. Bitches and hoes, faggots, and going hard. You cannot separate music and rape culture, gay bashing culture, and misogyny. You just can't. These aren't satirical artists making social statements about the ills of these things. they are doing the exact same thing with background music thats a bit better than the trash on the radio, however their messages and their place within a societal and cultural context are exactly the same. When they gay bash they aren't doing it because the art calls for it, they are doing it to make money because thats what kids want to hear because its all they've heard all their lives. We aren't saying they shouldn't be allowed to make the music they make but there is obviously a difference between following a culture and perpetuating its existence and doing something because it simply MUST be done artistically. It's business and they have nothing better to say than Lil' wayne and all those other shit hacks, lyrically (at least so far). I think people should look at least realize that....If you admit there is a problem when it comes to rap and how we treat gay people and women, you can't exactly ignore the people literally preaching these ideas the most loudly just because there's a beat behind it. Btw were not saying this is all wrong just because its offensive or that we have a stick up our ass like "dag nabbit those darn kids." This contributing to culture in which real people with real lives are being treated like crap and are victims of violence on a systematic level. This isn't like a serial killer movie that "might" inspire a crazy kid to kill someone. This shit is EVERYWHERE and just about every woman (myself included) and gay person has been victimized by this shit in their every day lives.

Also since when does having gay members decrease someone's role in homophobia? Associating with people who identify with an oppressed group does not automatically make your actions and your existence a positive force. You have to actively fight culture or else you are indistinguishable from the oppressor. Forget combatting this culture Tyler and Co. have made themselves the poster boys for it.



Disclaimer: When I talk about hip hop culturally I am talking specifically about mainstream artists you've all heard of. I'm not accusing underground artists of contributing to this. But I'll still call it hip hop culture since it is such a systematic problem . These aren't a few ass hole individual, and the problem does not just affect a few dumb kids who don't know any better. I'm saying all this because IM sick of being treated the way I do. Im sick of being called a bitch and people thinking they can treat me like im in a rap video when I go out. This has to stop.

october_midnight
07-13-2012, 11:05 PM
Sylvester Stallone's son Sage found dead. (http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/13/sage-stallone-dead-sylvester-stallone-son-dies-dead/)

Fucking sucks. Sly was probably riding high after SDCC and now this...

Leman Russ
07-16-2012, 02:46 PM
Sylvester Stallone's son Sage found dead. (http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/13/sage-stallone-dead-sylvester-stallone-son-dies-dead/)

Fucking sucks. Sly was probably riding high after SDCC and now this...

I can't even begin to imagine what he is going through right now. As a parent, I can say that there is nothing that could ever compare to this.

october_midnight
07-19-2012, 12:08 PM
Fred Willard you sly dog, you!!! (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/celebrity-news/actor-fred-willard-arrested-for-lewd-conduct-in-la/article4427605/?cmpid=rss1)

Iran_Ed
07-19-2012, 02:01 PM
Fred Willard you sly dog, you!!! (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/celebrity-news/actor-fred-willard-arrested-for-lewd-conduct-in-la/article4427605/?cmpid=rss1)

This is why it is important to teach your elders how to use the internet.

october_midnight
07-24-2012, 04:08 PM
RIP Sherman Hemsley (http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/24/sherman-hemsley-dead-dies-the-jeffersons/)

Cue the 'he's movin' on uuup' jokes in 4...3...

Fixer808
07-24-2012, 04:46 PM
RIP Sherman Hemsley (http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/24/sherman-hemsley-dead-dies-the-jeffersons/)

Cue the 'he's movin' on uuup' jokes in 4...3...
I'm waiting for Bill Paxton to die, just so I can be the first to say "We're on an express elevator to hell, GOIN' DOOOOOWN!"

Leman Russ
07-25-2012, 07:55 AM
I'm waiting for Bill Paxton to die, just so I can be the first to say "We're on an express elevator to hell, GOIN' DOOOOOWN!"

I hope he asks someone "How do I get out of this chicken shit outfit?" just before it happens.

onthewall2983
07-25-2012, 09:09 AM
Don't hold your breath, he always looks in good shape.

miss k bee
07-25-2012, 05:08 PM
http://celebrity.uk.msn.com/features/kristen-stewart-and-rupert-sanders-apologise-for-affair

like wa?

RocketScience
07-25-2012, 06:35 PM
http://celebrity.uk.msn.com/features/kristen-stewart-and-rupert-sanders-apologise-for-affair

like wa?

Dude is apparantly married to Atticus Ross's sister, WA?

Elke
07-26-2012, 04:07 AM
Okay so.... public apologies? WHAT? This is so fucking annoying, this whole public culpability thing. Why don't we just go back to good ol' stoning and public flogging? Why are people so keen on humiliating themselves in public, or forcing / watching others to be humiliated?
Fuck this. I know there are far more real problems in the world and I do my best to keep enraged about them, but rarely something really boils my blood like shit like this. Because this is what we teach our kids, too.
Sorry, incoherent rant.

slave2thewage
07-26-2012, 08:41 AM
We did this amazing video out of it all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_Qrt1k8qHo

DF118
07-26-2012, 09:27 AM
What's wrong with her face?

Leman Russ
07-26-2012, 09:28 AM
What's wrong with her face?

If you're talking about Kristen Stewart, the answer is: a lot

DF118
07-26-2012, 09:31 AM
If you're talking about Kristen Stewart, the answer is: a lot

Yeeeeeaaaaah, she's not exactly fairest of them all, is she.

Elke
07-26-2012, 11:06 AM
We did this amazing video out of it all:


I got as far as 1:11, which is long enough to hear the sentence "Why would you cheat on Robert? What do you stand to gain from that?"

Ahem.

Conan The Barbarian
07-26-2012, 11:08 AM
alright two things about that vid.

1. She needs psychiatric help.
2. Not very nice of people going on there and making fun of her appearance. Yes I know its the internet, but still not very nice considering her state of mental health.

orestes
07-26-2012, 11:12 AM
Okay so.... public apologies? WHAT? This is so fucking annoying, this whole public culpability thing. Why don't we just go back to good ol' stoning and public flogging? Why are people so keen on humiliating themselves in public, or forcing / watching others to be humiliated?
Fuck this. I know there are far more real problems in the world and I do my best to keep enraged about them, but rarely something really boils my blood like shit like this. Because this is what we teach our kids, too.
Sorry, incoherent rant.

The public apologies stem from the fact that there's another Twilight movie to promote in the upcoming months.

DF118
07-26-2012, 11:22 AM
alright two things about that vid.

1. She needs psychiatric help.


Either that, or she's just a teenage girl with a YouTube account.

Harry Seaward
07-26-2012, 11:53 AM
http://celebrity.uk.msn.com/features/kristen-stewart-and-rupert-sanders-apologise-for-affair

like wa?

That's hilarious. Who the hell do they have to apologize to?

Oh well, Kristen Stewart is still hot as fuck.

PQHooligan
07-26-2012, 12:07 PM
Either that, or she's just a teenage girl with a YouTube account.

Sadly, according to her YouTube page, she's 25 :eek:

littlemonkey613
07-26-2012, 04:22 PM
You are all missing the point. This man is single.


http://celebritynewsandstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/robert-pattinson-cosmopolis.jpg

*fangirl death.

miss k bee
07-26-2012, 06:49 PM
I could not give two ticks about either of them. All the Twlight films have passed me by.

Torgo
07-26-2012, 11:36 PM
I only watch Twilight films if they are accompanied by the lovely voices of Kevin Murphy, Bill Corbett, and Mike Nelson. (http://www.rifftrax.com/rifftrax/twilight) But seriously, if you haven't seen any films with Rifftrax, you're missing out. Do yourself a favor.

Also - I always knew that Kristen Stewart was a cunt. Robert Pattinson should have watched 'Adventureland' and saved himself from her duplicity EARLIER.

Frozen Beach
08-19-2012, 11:06 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2012/08/19/tony-scott-dead-suicide/
Damn.

onthewall2983
08-19-2012, 11:13 PM
Damn indeed :(

thevoid99
08-19-2012, 11:37 PM
Shit, and I was hoping it was a hoax. Dude was a good director. Top Gun, True Romance, The Last Boy Scout, Days of Thunder, and The Hunger are awesome films.

richardp
08-19-2012, 11:41 PM
Wow that really sucks. Fucking TOP GUN!! Waiting for the internet trolls to start the "he saw Prometheus" shit. I feel like it's going to happen.

onthewall2983
08-19-2012, 11:42 PM
Crimson Tide, Enemy Of The State, Spy Game, Man On Fire and Domino too. But without a shadow of a doubt, True Romance was the best one.

october_midnight
08-20-2012, 12:54 AM
Fucking hell that sucks. True Romance...classic. Man on Fire...EPIC. FUCKING. MOVIE. Weird that this will forever be tied to my birthday now...

Axel
08-20-2012, 12:58 AM
I probably would not be a Nine Inch Nails fan today if not for Tony Scott. I made a longer post on a different website but I just remembered this point. It was the trailer for Man on Fire which featured "The Mark Has Been Made." I went looking for that song and found some others, and 8 years later I own all the albums and hundreds of music files, and they're still my favorite band. So indirectly Mr. Scott has been quite an influence.

And Man on Fire, True Romance, Enemy of the State, and Crimson Tide are all fantastic movies that I grew up with. Even the lesser efforts like The Fan are entertaining. R.I.P.

Corvus T. Cosmonaut
08-20-2012, 02:15 AM
Wow that really sucks. Fucking TOP GUN!! Waiting for the internet trolls to start the "he saw Prometheus" shit. I feel like it's going to happen.
Why would they say that? All he needed to do was re-watch one of his own movies. OH SH--

But it's unfortunate and I'm sure all hearts are out for Ridley and the rest of the Scott family in this time of turmoil.

Jinsai
08-20-2012, 03:02 AM
the guy made True Romance... which is one of the greatest movies ever.

marodi
08-20-2012, 11:38 AM
RIP Tony Scott; thanks for great movies.

So incredibly sad for the Scott family...

Leman Russ
08-20-2012, 11:50 AM
That is really sad.

october_midnight
08-20-2012, 12:15 PM
It's been revealed that he had inoperable brain cancer, which was obviously a big factor. Shitty deal.

Frozen Beach
08-20-2012, 03:05 PM
http://todayentertainment.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/08/20/13379055-comedian-phyllis-diller-dies-at-95?lite
She may be gone, but her laugh lives on.

orestes
08-21-2012, 07:41 PM
Lawls.

Chad Kroeger and Avril Lavigne engaged. (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20623133,00.html)

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m454640MbU1r5atck.gif

october_midnight
08-21-2012, 07:59 PM
I'm pretty sure this is one of the signs of the apocalypse...next up, waves of locusts!!

Conan The Barbarian
08-21-2012, 08:21 PM
BWAHAHAHA, now they both can make shit music together.

october_midnight
08-21-2012, 08:25 PM
I bet he proposed in 20 different ways....and they all sounded the same.