Random Celebrity Headlines

[allegro]

Well, he can't die now because I'm still not over Leonard Nimoy's death.
I wasn't a big Spock fan but I'm gonna need the Betty Ford Clinic when Jean Luc Picard dies.

[allegro]

I think it'll be awhile before he dies (that is, if he retires from flying).

He's pretty old, isn't he?

Edit: he's 72

[onthewall2983]

Yeah but he keeps himself in good shape and seems not to have done any hard living despite living in California in the 1970's.

[allegro]

Yeah but he keeps himself in good shape and seems not to have done any hard living despite living in California in the 1970's.

Because he's HARRISON FUCKING FORD.

[Ryan]

Harrison Toyota

[october_midnight]

Apparently Jake Lloyd (Anakin Skywalker from 1999's Star Wars: The Phantom Menace suffers from schizophrenia, went off his meds, attacked his mother (http://www.tmz.com/2015/06/23/jake-lloyd-star-wars-schizophrenia-assaulted-police-report-beats-mother/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter) and then got arrested after leading the police on a high speed chase. (http://variety.com/2015/film/news/jake-lloyd-arrested-phantom-menace-1201524843/)

https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/jake-lloyd-headshot.png?w=670

[october_midnight]

Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner divorcing after 10 years of marriage. (http://www.people.com/article/ben-affleck-jennifer-garner-split?xid=socialflow_twitter_peoplemag)

[orestes]

The other shoe finally dropped. (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6d90b1f473f147ed9f0048f9e9ac2287/apnewsbreak-cosby-said-he-got-drugs-give-women-sex)

[DF118]

The other shoe finally dropped. (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6d90b1f473f147ed9f0048f9e9ac2287/apnewsbreak-cosby-said-he-got-drugs-give-women-sex)

Why hasn't Bill Cosby been arrested?

I mean, am I just being dense here, or what the fuck?

[Sarah K]

Have any of them been recent? I honestly haven't read too much about it since it started coming out.

Statute of limitations?

[Sarah K]

Wait. I mean... THIS IS ALL A BUNCH OF ATTENTION WHORES LOOKING FOR MONEY

[orestes]

Statue of limitations on most. Maybe this will finally be proof enough to believe the 40-plus women who have come forward. *eye roll*

[Sarah K]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/07/24/wwe-erases-hulk-hogan-mentions-from-web-site/

WWE terminates and removes nearly all mention of Hulk Hogan on their site because audio from his sex tape contains a racist rant.

[Khrz]

"Yeah, Mr Hogan, we repeatedly watched your sex tape, sometimes frame-by-frame, and at one point Jimmy here asked "Did he just say "Nigger ?", and sadly after a few dozen viewings, it appears that right between your fisting and the snowballing, you actually do ! Soooooo, yeah, we're gonna have to let you go. Can we keep the tape though ? It's HD !"

[october_midnight]

I personally find it surprising that one of the most ridiculous people on the planet is also racist.

[thevoid99]

I'm not entirely surprise. After all, Hogan is quite full of himself.

[onthewall2983]

Someone once described his sex tape as "watching an aging Clydesdale begging to be put down".

His apology (http://www.people.com/article/hulk-hogan-racist-rant-statement) seems pretty sincere enough. He could have gone on the defensive considering the source of the dialogue, but he owned up to it.

What's funny to me is that a lot of the buzz on Twitter has to do with how WWE books their minority talent, and how wrestling has always been racist, etc, etc.

[thevoid99]

Someone once described his sex tape as "watching an aging Clydesdale begging to be put down".

His apology (http://www.people.com/article/hulk-hogan-racist-rant-statement) seems pretty sincere enough. He could have gone on the defensive considering the source of the dialogue, but he owned up to it.

What's funny to me is that a lot of the buzz on Twitter has to do with how WWE books their minority talent, and how wrestling has always been racist, etc, etc.

Totally. It's ironic that a company fires someone for saying something racist yet has African-American/Latino/Asian performers be used as lame stereotypes

[Dra508]

Gisele Bundchen goes to a plastic surgeon (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3179559/Pictured-moment-Gisele-Bundchen-donned-burqa-secretly-visit-Paris-plastic-surgeon-11-000-eye-breast-operation.html)

I actually heard this on NPR because, I didn't know, wearing a Burqa in France is illegal? Really?

[Khrz]

You can't cover your face in public. Burqa, mask, sack, interdit. Because of reasons? I don't know. Well I think I know, but I don't want to.

[october_midnight]

Gwen Stefani and Gavin Rossdale file for divorce. (http://ca.eonline.com/news/682810/gwen-stefani-and-gavin-rossdale-file-for-divorce-reports)

[Mantra]

Gwen Stefani and Gavin Rossdale file for divorce. (http://ca.eonline.com/news/682810/gwen-stefani-and-gavin-rossdale-file-for-divorce-reports)
yesssssssssssssss now's my chance

[thevoid99]

Finally, Gwen dropped that zero and it's now her time to get with a hero.

[Dra508]

You can't cover your face in public. Burqa, mask, sack, interdit. Because of reasons? I don't know. Well I think I know, but I don't want to.
Sounds like a veiled attempted at.... Oh never mind.

[october_midnight]

Donald Trump has been replaced by Arnold Schwarzenegger as the host on the next season of The Apprentice.

[GibbonBlack]

Donald Trump has been replaced by Arnold Schwarzenegger as the host on the next season of The Apprentice.

hahahahahahahahaha, I've never watched that show but that might sway me

[onthewall2983]

Roy Harper's sexual assault charges were dropped in Februrary, but the news of which was only announced recently (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-34774752).

[october_midnight]

Charlie Sheen set to officially announce being HIV positive. (http://www.people.com/article/charlie-sheen-hiv-positive?xid=socialflow_facebook_peoplemag)

[Deepvoid]

Charlie Sheen set to officially announce being HIV positive. (http://www.people.com/article/charlie-sheen-hiv-positive?xid=socialflow_facebook_peoplemag)

Against all odds ... no one said.

[onthewall2983]

And Jenny McCarthy is mad at him for not telling her he had it...before he knew he had it. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/20/jenny-mccarthy-slams-charlie-sheen-for-not-telling-her-he-had-hiv-because-her-son-has-autism-or-something/)

[allegro]

And Jenny McCarthy is mad at him for not telling her he had it...before he knew he had it. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/20/jenny-mccarthy-slams-charlie-sheen-for-not-telling-her-he-had-hiv-because-her-son-has-autism-or-something/)

God, she's such a fucking idiot.

[thevoid99]

God, she's such a fucking idiot.

Well, what do you expect from someone who has spouted a lot of bullshit about autism and got famous for acting like an annoying bitch? To think, her cousin Melissa turns out to be the talented one.

[allegro]

Well, what do you expect from someone who has spouted a lot of bullshit about autism and got famous for acting like an annoying bitch? To think, her cousin Melissa turns out to be the talented one.
She thinks she can get HIV from a kissing scene on TV and then that could pass it on to her kid. What the hell is she doing with her kid?

[Sarah K]

Hopefully setting aside a lot of money for a whoooooooole lot of therapy.

[thevoid99]

Hopefully setting aside a lot of money for a whoooooooole lot of therapy.

I could imagine those sessions. He would talk about the awful movies his parents made including the one where his mother menstruated at a supermarket as well as the fact that everyone including his friends had seen his mother in all of her glory. Yeah, I feel sorry for that kid.

[allegro]

I could imagine those sessions. He would talk about the awful movies his parents made including the one where his mother menstruated at a supermarket as well as the fact that everyone including his friends had seen his mother in all of her glory. Yeah, I feel sorry for that kid.
Lots of children of Hollywood stars or models who've appeared naked grow up to be perfectly normal, as there's nothing wrong with naked. But there is no cure for her being so stupid and spreading so much bad information.

[thevoid99]

Lots of children of Hollywood stars or models who've appeared naked grow up to be perfectly normal, as there's nothing wrong with naked. But there is no cure for her being so stupid and spreading so much bad information.

That is true. I hope the kid gets some help from his relatives. Those relatives I mean are Mark Wahlberg and Melissa McCarthy. Remember, Jenny is married to Mark's brother Donnie.

[theruiner]

An arrest warrant has been issued for Bill Cosby. About freaking time.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/ct-bill-cosby-criminal-charges-20151230-story.html

[october_midnight]

An arrest warrant has been issued for Bill Cosby. About freaking time.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/ct-bill-cosby-criminal-charges-20151230-story.html

L.A. County District declines to file criminal charges, citing 'no evidence'. (http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/bill-cosby-rape-allegations/)

[Deepvoid]

Rapper B.o.B thinks the earth is flat. Releases Neil DeGrasse Tyson diss track.

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/jan/26/flat-earth-rapper-bob-neil-degrasse-tyson-diss-track

One has to wonder where did it all go wrong for this guy? Do you blame the education system? The drugs?
Is it simply a publicity stunt?

[Jinsai]

man, watching this clip of a pudgy Phil Anselmo screaming out "WHITE POWER!" after giving a nazi salute during an event that's supposed to memorialize Dimebag makes me feel sick. I feel ashamed of every dollar that I've put in his pocket. So fucking lame.

[DigitalChaos]

man, watching this clip of a pudgy Phil Anselmo screaming out "WHITE POWER!" after giving a nazi salute during an event that's supposed to memorialize Dimebag makes me feel sick. I feel ashamed of every dollar that I've put in his pocket. So fucking lame.
Well, there's always this.... 54 sec in:
https://youtu.be/LZhyP_71gJw?t=53

[allegro]

Well, there's always this.... 54 sec in:
https://youtu.be/LZhyP_71gJw?t=53

what the ... wow, yeah, I'm glad I've decided to stick with boring classical music.

[DigitalChaos]

what the ... wow, yeah, I'm glad I've decided to stick with boring classical music.
lol
I enjoy Pantera, but stuff like this is why it's become something I'm not proud to advertise around others.

I understand what he tries to accomplish ("black pride" and "white pride" to be viewed as equivalent statements) and there are plenty of minorities who support that perspective. There are tons of videos of him pushing that very message over the years... and usually quite poorly. The hitler salute is a whole different story though. None of that changes how gross the guy is on quite a few levels. Blowing snot on the audience without even thinking about it pretty much sums it all up.

The entire performance was pretty cringey though. The guy needs to hang up the towel on the singing career.

I'm kinda curious what was going on before and after the short clip Jinsai was referring to. It's just a ~20sec clip and it looks like others on the stage were signaling that he needed to be cut off. I can't imagine how embarrassing it must have been to be someone like Dave Grohl to stand up there with him doing that shit.

[marodi]

Because Ryan almost gave me a heart attack by posting this in the Dead Souls thread:


I just randomly googled Val Kilmer and I had no idea he was battling throat cancer.

He's not dead, but relevant considering all the cancers in celebrities lately: http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/val-kilmer-throat-cancer-battle-prognosis-update/

I'm moving it here for my response (and to ward off bad luck):

Here's Val on Jan 24th

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12549001_1105092166189157_7535697603134076249_n.jp g?oh=d88ffc21678ce849d82f6f73e12b9fed&oe=57487503

Sorry for the size. It's taken from his FB page (https://www.facebook.com/valkilmer/?fref=ts). If you're on Facepoo, I'd recommend that you follow him. He's posting about his art, his projects, and like everyone else random things that he fancies. He posted a very touching story about the time he met David Bowie after the news broke that he had die.

He's a devout Christian Scientist which makes treating health scares difficult. But don't worry, unlike his Top Gun co-star, he doesn't push his religious beliefs on anyone.

[thevoid99]

Ken Watanabe has stomach cancer: http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-35539545

Motherfuck you cancer.

[onthewall2983]

Hulk Hogan awarded $115 million in suit against Gawker, a decision which could have devastating effects on the company. (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/business/media/gawker-hulk-hogan-verdict.html?_r=0) If this means more companies like this become vulnerable to similar suits, then it's for the greater good.

[thevoid99]

Ozzy & Sharon are calling it quits after 33 years: http://www.eonline.com/news/763139/ozzy-osbourne-and-sharon-osbourne-split-after-more-than-33-years-of-marriage?utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=imdb_topstories

[Ryan]

I was just about to post that.

[thevoid99]

I was just about to post that.

I'm sorry.

[Ryan]

I'm sorry.

You shattered my dreams.

[thevoid99]

You shattered my dreams.

I'm really sorry. What can I do to make it right?

[Your Name Here]

...............

[thevoid99]

It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.

Alright, alright. Enough of your broken record. I'm putting the lotion on the skin to make it nice and shiny.

[Your Name Here]

..............

[Conan The Barbarian]

Apparently he is missing and his kids are frantically trying to find him. I hope its not the curse of 2016 rearing its ugly head again.

[october_midnight]

Apparently he is missing and his kids are frantically trying to find him. I hope its not the curse of 2016 rearing its ugly head again.

The fuck? Ugh, hope he hasn't fallen off the wagon. Wasn't he goin' on like 3+ years sober or some shit? God dammit, he'd better turn up.

[Conan The Barbarian]

Well him and corey taylor are supposed to make a big announcement on Thursday, so hopefully he turns up.

[allegro]

Sharon supposedly caught him having an affair and kicked him out of the house (http://www.etonline.com/news/188358_sharon_osbourne_skips_the_talk_as_ozzy_alle ged_affair_goes_public/).

[thevoid99]

Sharon supposedly caught him having an affair and kicked him out of the house (http://www.etonline.com/news/188358_sharon_osbourne_skips_the_talk_as_ozzy_alle ged_affair_goes_public/).

Oh Ozzy. You done fucked up. Although, maybe there was a reason and Ozzy felt like he needed someone to talk to.

[Conan The Barbarian]

Ozzy was photographed walking his dog.

[Ryan]

Alright, alright. Enough of your broken record. I'm putting the lotion on the skin to make it nice and shiny.

More lotion god damnit.

[thevoid99]

More lotion god damnit.

OK, I'm putting the lotion on the skin. Now where is my new issue of Auto Trader.... :p

[onthewall2983]

Nikki Sixx calling out Gene Simmons on his shit after his stupid comments about Prince made me respect him all the more, even though I don't like his music very much.

[thevoid99]

Nikki Sixx calling out Gene Simmons on his shit after his stupid comments about Prince made me respect him all the more, even though I don't like his music very much.

Same here although... Paul Stanley is defending Simmons: https://www.yahoo.com/music/paul-stanley-nikki-sixx-spar-over-gene-simmons-025000182-rolling-stone.html

I hope there's a special place in hell for Gene. To me, the man is evil. He'll sell out his own mother for a dollar.

[onthewall2983]

I wouldn't say he's evil, just cranky.

[Dryalex12]

breaking news, Liam Gallagher calls Noel a potato

[thevoid99]

breaking news, Liam Gallagher calls Noel a potato

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GJSSyKclAZI/VyE4-GSb1dI/AAAAAAAAXpM/WjJVQIj2go0crnCYZH6-6ENZ3Nj52wkDQ/w426-h261/8d3ee8c3-9e3d-4b6c-a5a1-1de2d4fc1a62

[Your Name Here]

....................

[thevoid99]

Johnny Depp and Amber Heard are calling it quits: http://www.thewrap.com/johnny-depps-wife-amber-heard-files-for-divorce/

Who didn't see that one coming?

[allegro]

Johnny Depp and Amber Heard are calling it quits: http://www.thewrap.com/johnny-depps-wife-amber-heard-files-for-divorce/

Who didn't see that one coming?
Me!! Especially after doggy-gate! I just saw him on Kimmel the other night talking about it. He is so awesomely funny.

[Your Name Here]

..............

[allegro]

Did Australia get the dogs?

No, Johnny says he ate 'em, LOL. (Not really. The Depps took the little dogs home.)

Heard is 22 yrs younger than him?? LOL LOL. And no pre-nup.

[thevoid99]

And 3 days after his mother died. That shit is wrong.

I think these past few years for Depp has been a very weird and also troubling. In fact, I think he's been going through a mid-life crisis. He leaves the mother of his kids for a younger woman. He makes some very shitty films that are so bad, they've become the derp-de-derp films. People can't take him seriously. Then came the incident with the dogs and now this. I think it's time for him to take some time off and just re-evaluate everything into what he's doing. Stop taking the weird roles and be an actor again.

[Your Name Here]

........................

[allegro]

And 3 days after his mother died. That shit is wrong.

I think these past few years for Depp has been a very weird and also troubling. In fact, I think he's been going through a mid-life crisis. .
I guess his relationship with Paradis was already kaput when he met Heard while filming "The Rum Diaries" (more bad movies). He did have that band with Alice Cooper and Joe Perry. He seems like such a nice guy. But he makes bad women decisions sometimes. Remember, he had a whole slew of women before Paradis including the source of that "Wino Forever" tattoo.

3 days after his mom died. And she wants full spousal support. Ugh.

Edit: Here's Johnny's statement (via publicist) to E News:

"Given the brevity of this marriage and the most recent and tragic loss of his mother, Johnny will not respond to any of the salacious false stories, gossip, misinformation and lies about his personal life. Hopefully the dissolution of this short marriage will be resolved quickly.”

[Dra508]

No, Johnny says he ate 'em, LOL. (Not really. The Depps took the little dogs home.)

Heard is 22 yrs younger than him?? LOL LOL. And no pre-nup.

I don't have Johnny Depp money, but I would NOT get married again without a pre-nup. Yeezze

Edit: ugh http://elitedaily.com/entertainment/amber-heard-johnny-depp-domestic-violence/1506669/

[Sarah K]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/amber-heard-seeks-restraining-order-against-johnny-depp-claims-shes-a-victim-of-domestic-violence_us_574878d0e4b055bb117204b6?


Amber Heard is seeking a restraining order against Johnny due to domestic violence.

[allegro]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/amber-heard-seeks-restraining-order-against-johnny-depp-claims-shes-a-victim-of-domestic-violence_us_574878d0e4b055bb117204b6?


Amber Heard is seeking a restraining order against Johnny due to domestic violence.

Ooooooooo man that no bueno.

[Swykk]

Gross, Johnny. Kudos to Amber for getting the fuck out and not staying quiet.

[Your Name Here]

..................

[Swykk]

He had that violent party boy reputation back in the Viper Room '90s. Guess he didn't get help back then.

[allegro]

only if she ever revokes the restraining order
She can't do that, only a Court / Judge does that. There are time limits on Orders of Protection, and they are extended accordingly. She has requested a temporary order of protection valid until the next hearing, but JD is out of town promoting the "Alice" sequel. JD's friends are claiming this is a scheme in her plans to get a better divorce settlement. This sure makes his published statement make a lot more sense. Dun dun DUN ... Divorce, it's nooooo bueno.

[Frozen Beach]

http://www.tmz.com/2016/05/27/amber-heard-johnny-depp-cops-no-injuries/ (http://www.tmz.com/2016/05/27/amber-heard-johnny-depp-cops-no-injuries/)

[allegro]

Washington Post story re Heard and Depp (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/05/27/amber-heard-files-restraining-order-against-johnny-depp-after-alleged-domestic-violence/?tid=sm_fb).

[thelastdisciple]

Well no point taking sides, stuff like this can go either way. They both have the potential to be crazy as fuck.

I kind of wish this stuff didn't get so much publicity, it should remain a private matter as far as I'm concerned but that's hollywood/paparazzi culture for you.. hard to avoid.

[thevoid99]

I don't buy this domestic abuse thing. I looked at the picture and.... it feels false. She's lying.

[allegro]

I don't buy this domestic abuse thing. I looked at the picture and.... it feels false. She's lying.

The cops found no evidence of an assault at the apt. Which is kinda odd that it pops up on Instagram later. These people b crazy. We don't know what's REALLY going on so it's best to just lay low and let this drama play out without our armchair commentary.

[thevoid99]

Here's another thing about this domestic abuse announcement that I'm now realizing is odd. Today is the 17th birthday of Lily-Rose Depp. Johnny Depp and Vanessa Paradis' daughter. Oh, that fuckin' bitch.

[Nyx]

Everyone, the speculation can end now, thevoid99 looked at the picture and it felt false to him, she is lying. Hopefully he can somehow get in touch with the courts so this matter can be resolved quickly.

[Swykk]

Sooooo NOBODY remembers 90s Johnny Depp, then?

I'm not saying it did or didn't happen so much as it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE.

[orestes]

Here's another thing about this domestic abuse announcement that I'm now realizing is odd. Today is the 17th birthday of Lily-Rose Depp. Johnny Depp and Vanessa Paradis' daughter. Oh, that fuckin' bitch.

How the fuck is this relevant?

[Hazekiah]

To be fair, it's a personal matter none of us witnessed and a case could easily be made for either side.

The timing really does suck and doesn't do either of them any favors, though. It's hard not to feel bad for the guy who's wife filed for divorce in the scant few days between the death of his mother and his daughter's birthday. Likewise, it's easy to imagine what a stressful time it must have been for him (while on tour and promoting his new movie, too), which could easily play into either of their narratives. And it was obviously superdumb of him to enter into the relationship without a prenuptial agreement given the disparity between their respective wealths, but ultimately says GOOD things about his intentions, at least.

All that said, it's worth mentioning the cops not seeing any bruising, her not pressing charges, the cops leaving frustrated and impotent, her happy-smiley and eventually-retracted Instagram pic from the next day (with her hair potentially obscuring her bruises, fwiw) JUST AS MUCH as it's worth considering his public history of temperamentalism. And if he threw a phone at her face and/or whatever else may or may not have happened then that obviously sucks, but there's definitely lots of hay to be made from her mishandling of everything too, so it's worth keeping that in mind before crucifying the man on hearsay. I'm sure no one's trying to blame the (hypothetical) victim here but he's certainly handled the situation more gracefully in the public eye than she has so far. Then again, I'm just as sure he's one of Hollywood's best paid actors for good reason, too.

Regardless, I really feel like NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES it's ridiculous and borderline criminal to barely be married to someone for a year before taking a run at half of everything they own and their livelihood, and in perpetuity from a father, no less.

Not exactly the classiest move, to say the least.

[allegro]

Sooooo NOBODY remembers 90s Johnny Depp, then?

I'm not saying it did or didn't happen so much as it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE.

I remember him being wild on booze and drugs but not beating on women.

I was a domestic relations paralegal for 13 years. Again, the only thing I can say is to advise to stay out of it because it's a divorce and we don't know what happened and we can't project our personal experiences onto other people and we don't know these people except that there's about $400 million and 2 goofy Hollywood people involved.

[Frozen Beach]

Doug Stanhope claims that he and Amy 'Bingo' Bingaman were there the night of the incident and that she's full of shit
https://twitter.com/DougStanhope/status/736621005905399808

[thevoid99]

A letter from Vanessa Paradis defending Depp: http://www.thewrap.com/johnny-depps-ex-vanessa-paradis-defends-actor-from-outrageous-domestic-abuse-allegations-report/

And a message from their daughter: https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/lily-rose-depp-defends-father-163043301.html

[icklekitty]

Have you ever been 17 and reacted to your father being accused of domestic abuse? Get back to her in 10 years.

[thevoid99]

Have you ever been 17 and reacted to your father being accused of domestic abuse? Get back to her in 10 years.

Are you directing this at me? Why is everyone lately on my fucking ass? What the fuck did I do?

I gave an opinion on what I think and you all jump on me. You know what, fuck you. Fuck all of you. Especially all you elitist asswipes with your stupid facepalm buttons.

Plus, if you think I'm on Depp's side on this. Think again. I've lost respect for him a long time ago. He never should've married that bitch to begin with. He's just an old fart having a mid-life crisis who lost touch on what he had.

[Frozen Beach]

Have you ever been 17 and reacted to your father being accused of domestic abuse? Get back to her in 10 years.
All thevoid99 did was post an article relevant to the story. No need to snap at them for no reason.

[allegro]

Are you directing this at me? Why is everyone lately on my fucking ass? What the fuck did I do?

I gave an opinion on what I think and you all jump on me. You know what, fuck you. Fuck all of you. Especially all you elitist asswipes with your stupid facepalm buttons.

Plus, if you think I'm on Depp's side on this. Think again. I've lost respect for him a long time ago. He never should've married that bitch to begin with. He's just an old fart having a mid-life crisis who lost touch on what he had.

The testimony (of Paradis and Depp's daughter) could matter because people don't tend to suddenly become abusers, even while drunk or high; they mostly have a history of it, usually somebody else has been abused by them in their past, more often many people. People who don't abuse, they can get drunk or high but they never do that, they don't cross that line.

(I say this as somebody who spent a LOT of time with the Victim's Advocacy Services in the Cook County Courthouse. (http://www.cookcountycourt.org/ABOUTTHECOURT/MunicipalDepartment/SecondMunicipalDistrictSkokie/OrdersofProtection.aspx))

But, again, who knows? What happens now is that Heard has a temp order. No judge ever provides anything more at the prelim hearing (no money, no anger counseling); money is through the divorce proceedings and anger counseling can be ordered if he violates the order. But at the next hearing, he and his attorneys can fight a longer order or they can file for an order against her, who knows. If she really does have "video evidence," she will have to present it or his attorneys will most def start threatening her with slander. This is gonna be messy. He is probably going to offer her money to try to settle this quick. Or, she will drag it out to try to get a full 50% of his assets (California).

[Frozen Beach]

http://www.thewrap.com/johnny-depp-is-being-blackmailed-by-amber-heard-heres-how-i-know-guest-column/ (http://www.thewrap.com/johnny-depp-is-being-blackmailed-by-amber-heard-heres-how-i-know-guest-column/)

[orestes]

Oh for the love of god.

[botley]

Comforting the comfortable.

[allegro]

The shooting death of an endangered lowland gorilla at the Cincinatti Zoo because of some bratty kid is really upsetting.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/30/us/gorilla-shot-harambe/

[marodi]

The shooting death of an endangered lowland gorilla at the Cincinatti Zoo because of some bratty kid is really upsetting.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/30/us/gorilla-shot-harambe/

If the gorilla really wanted to kill he would have done so within seconds before anyone had the time to do anything. A chimp is stronger than a human, imagine what a gorilla can do.

I'm no behaviorist expert but to me, it looks like Harambe was concerned for the kid and that he became agitated over the people shouting at him. I believe he may have wanted to protect the kid from the screaming and gesticulating primates he was seeing.

On the other hand... of course the parents (and others) were upset watching this happen. I think the zookeepers went for the kill because it was the fastest and easiest solution.

What I really want to know is how this kid got in there in the first place.

edit: Jack Hanna says it was okay to kill Harambe. Who are we to argue? http://abcnews.go.com/US/gorilla-shot-cincinnati-zoo-killed-boy-intervention-expert/story?id=39478421

[Deepvoid]

The shooting death of an endangered lowland gorilla at the Cincinatti Zoo because of some bratty kid is really upsetting.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/30/us/gorilla-shot-harambe/

It is?
I don't think was a choice between risking the kid's life and preserving the animal's life. Human life vs animal life. No debate here.

You can analyze the circumstances of what went wrong all you want but as soon as that kid hit the ground, you have to do whatever is necessary to make ensure that kid is gonna make it out alive.
Killing the animal was a no-brainer in my opinion.

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[marodi]

I would've rather seen them both live and have the parents arrested for negligence!

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[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

There are several petitions out there for this crap. A witness said that the kid was constantly trying to get through the railing to get in and saying how he wanted to go in and he got in alright. For the first half of the video, Harambe seemed to be protecting the child. How did no one get the footage of him apparently throwing the kid around like a rag doll? They should have cleared everyone from that area to prevent any kind of agitation towards the animal. I see why what happened had to be done, but I feel there should be some kind of age limit for being in such an area, and more staff to prevent this sort of thing from happening in the first place.

The parent Michelle Gregg posted something on Facebook about how grateful god was there and blah, blah, blah with no mention of Harambe and what happened to such a beautiful animal. And of course, she deleted it moments after. You're standing right next to a Gorilla exhibit, you would think that she would be watching her child at all costs. She should be held responsible for this shit.

Now the black community is even getting involved saying this was an act of white privilege... are you fucking kidding me??? What a shame.

[Deepvoid]

Now the black community is even getting involved saying this was an act of white privilege... are you fucking kidding me??? What a shame.

I saw that too. How crazy are some of those BLM activists? They are not helping their movement.

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[allegro]

It might have helped if the crowd that was watching would have shut the fuck up! .
EXACTLY this, the fucking crowd is what alerted the gorilla that the kid was in the moat and what got the gorilla really agitated. The crowd should have STOPPED SCREAMING. Assholes.

Also, that zoo sucks (as do most). There should be NO WAY that any stupid fucking human can get into these enclosures. This shit happens FAR too often. Last I checked, humans aren't endangered.

[allegro]

Wrong thread.

Sorry. I thought this gorilla was a celebrity.

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[thevoid99]

My parents saw this video and they're just disgusted as I am. We have a cat that we inherited years ago as I love that cat. We just lost our dog last October as she was with us for 17-18 years.

What was that fucking woman doing? Why didn't she watch her goddamn kid? My mother wants to slap the shit out of her.

[allegro]

I don't care that a breach hasn't happened so far, the zoo has been LUCKY because today's humans are FAR MORE STUPID and don't give a shit about the animals. Do a Google search of how many fucking morons have either deliberately or accidentally ended up in animal enclosures in zoos and the animals were killed nearly every time (except for a few times where gorillas had actually been trained to give things back that had fallen into the enclosure (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/08/16/15-years-ago-today-gorilla-rescues-boy-who-fell-in-ape-pit/) and, both times, the gorillas were females, not males). Ultimately, the zoo needs to put up a HUGE FUCKING GLASS WALL to protect the animals from the stupid fucking humans.

Even suicidal humans, like this dude:
http://fox6now.com/2016/05/22/zoo-officials-killed-two-lions-to-save-suicidal-man-who-jumped-into-big-cats-enclosure/

[thevoid99]

Ultimately, the zoo needs to put up a HUGE FUCKING GLASS WALL to protect the animals from the stupid fucking humans.

Even suicidal humans, like this dude:
http://fox6now.com/2016/05/22/zoo-officials-killed-two-lions-to-save-suicidal-man-who-jumped-into-big-cats-enclosure/

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[marodi]

The mother posted this on Facebook:


"I want to thank everyone for their thoughts and prayers today. What started off as a wonderful day turned into a scary one.

"For those of you that have seen the news or been on social media that was my son that fell in the gorilla exhibit at the zoo. God protected my child until the authorities were able to get to him.


"My son is safe and was able to walk away with a concussion and a few scrapes... no broken bones or internal injuries.


"As a society we are quick to judge how a parent could take their eyes off of their child and if anyone knows me I keep a tight watch on my kids. Accidents happen but I am thankful that the right people were in the right place today."

It was an accident folks. The kid fell into the gorilla exhibit. Surely the zoo is going to be sued over their gross negligence since they keep exhibits in which people can simply fell by accident! :|

Link: http://www.joe.co.uk/news/video-shows-gorilla-harambe-seemingly-trying-to-protect-boy-who-fell-zoo-pen/63532

[Conan The Barbarian]

It might have helped if the crowd that was watching would have shut the fuck up! Apparently the crowd making noise while the child was in the cage was part of the reason that the gorilla became aggressive and caused him to establish his dominance. He pulled the kid through the water a couple of times but he never really did anything other than that. I only watched the video once and I couldn't watch it again.
I love animals and the fact that they killed him just broke my heart. I'm going to say something that isn't politically correct but I don't fucking care, I would've rather seen the gorilla live and the kid die.
I love animals, I fucking hate people what can I say.

I dont understand that way of thinking. A fucking kid is literally one bad moment away from getting his life ended and you would rather have a gorilla live?

Have people been that shitty to you where you rather have some innocent kid who knew no better die?

I love animals too. There is a mountain lion prowling around my land and I would not even hesitate to shoot it because I am protecting my kids.

Grow up.

[allegro]

Yeahhhh ... an accident ... he tripped over a bush and fell into the gorilla enclosure moat. Accidentally. Never mind climbing through a fence, under some bushes, and getting down a 20 foot moat.

[allegro]

I love animals too. There is a mountain lion prowling around my land and I would not even hesitate to shoot it because I am protecting my kids.

Grow up.
Mountain lions aren't endangered.

Neither are kids at zoos. Witnesses say the kid told his mom that he wanted to go into the water in the gorilla enclosure, twice, and she said no. But unendangered kid was determined. Then endangered gorilla died.

I remember going to the Detroit Zoo quite often when I was a kid, and I remember being young and looking at those animal areas and being afraid of them, thinking the animals could GET OUT and get us. Evidently, this kid was not taught that swimming with 400-pound gorillas was a potentially dangerous activity.

Some kids need to be on a leash; get distracted in a crowd and the kid could have been kidnapped by child sex traffickers, and the outcome wouldn't have been like this.

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I dont even know why I bother posting shit that isnt music related.

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[allegro]

Whoa, look, if anything positive comes from this, it's:

(a) Zoos REALLY must increase their perimeter security (and PETA should continue to out the ones who don't)

(b) parents must have a serious discussion with their kids prior to zoo visits about wild animals, that they are dangerous, and the importance of staying far out of the enclosures.

And parents need to ... ugh ugh ... COME ON, PEOPLE ...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/12/us/cleveland-zoo-cheetah-fall/

[Dra508]

And parents need to ... ugh ugh ... COME ON, PEOPLE ...



Yeah, parents. Why don't we have a license for that?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/30/asia/japan-boy-woods/index.html

Don't they know the "I'm going to pull over" is supposed to be an empty threat?

[thevoid99]

Yeah, parents. Why don't we have a license for that?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/30/asia/japan-boy-woods/index.html

Don't they know the "I'm going to pull over" is supposed to be an empty threat?

Well, that's some nice parenting... :rolleyes:

[Jinsai]

parenting skills regardless... Sorry, there should be no conceivable way that a child should be capable of crawling into a gorilla enclosure. It should be impossible. It should be at least difficult for an able-bodied adult, and impossible for a child. And as sad and tragic as the outcome is, it could have been worse if the gorilla ripped the kid's arms off.

[allegro]

But it all could have been avoided entirely in SO many ways; talking about how much worse it could have been (for the one of billions of human kids ... meanwhile the endangered gorilla is dead) does not really help. Figuring out how to make this NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN is the best solution and discussion. This happens WAY TOO MUCH.

If zoos are REALLY there to educate the public about animals and to protect the various species (which is dubious), THEN THEY REALLY HAVE TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AND PROTECT THE ANIMALS. THIS MEANS FOOLPROOF IMPENETRABLE DOUBLE BARRIERS. NOTE: NOT A FUCKING MOAT SURROUNDED BY A FENCE AND BUSHES (as is the norm enclosure).

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[Jinsai]

I agree about the end-goal allegro

It's why this discussion I'm seeing is so distressing. It isn't going to be solved by people campaigning to have a negligent parent burned at the stake. I'd rather see awareness brought to the fact that it should have never conceivably been possible. This is something that shouldn't have been something that can happen.

[Hazekiah]

As precious as human babies are (ugh) and as crucial as dropping the gorilla IMMEDIATELY must have been, I still feel like it's pretty weird that A FUCKING ZOO not only DIDN'T have better security for its wild animal enclosures but ALSO didn't have about a billion tranq-darts on hand and set for MAXIMUM STRENGTH to save the idiot-baby WITHOUT murdering the endangered animal.

I mean, if they straight-up killed the beast at a Wal-Mart or w/e then FUCK IT, it had to be done, but A GODDAMNED ZOO should really be better better equipped for such eventualities.

:-\

[allegro]

As precious as human babies are (ugh) and as crucial as dropping the gorilla IMMEDIATELY must have been, I still feel like it's pretty weird that A FUCKING ZOO not only DIDN'T have better security for its wild animal enclosures but ALSO didn't have about a billion tranq-darts on hand and set for MAXIMUM STRENGTH to save the idiot-baby WITHOUT murdering the endangered animal.

I mean, if they straight-up killed the beast at a Wal-Mart or w/e then FUCK IT, it had to be done, but A GODDAMNED ZOO should really be better better equipped for such eventualities.

:-\
The zoo and several other experts say that even really powerful tranq darts would have agitated him even further and would have taken at least 10 minutes to take effect in a 400-lb primate; none are immediately effective.

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[icklekitty]

All thevoid99 did was post an article relevant to the story. No need to snap at them for no reason.

Unless thevoid99 also wrote the article I'm not snapping at them.

[Frozen Beach]

Unless thevoid99 also wrote the article I'm not snapping at them.
my bad, I misinterpreted your post

[Hazekiah]

The zoo and several other experts say that even really powerful tranq darts would have agitated him even further and would have taken at least 10 minutes to take effect in a 400-lb primate; none are immediately effective.

Yeah, yeah, yeah...meanwhile Putin's gassing Chechan suicide-vests with fentanyl before they know what's up.


What is cool about California is that animal control for the most part responds quickly and hits the animal with an tranquilizer dart and moves the animal to an area where it can harm people or be harmed itself.

I don't know, man...that's either TOO progressive a reaction or JUST FUCKING RIGHT, lol.


@allegro (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76) I would have beat to that but I was searching for that bear video

Okay, now you're just being perverted.

[aggroculture]

Why is this discussion in Random Celebrity Headlines? Was the gorilla famous? (serious question)

[Hazekiah]

OMFG, ikr?!?


Here is a bear taking a swim in in the middle of July in 2014, hey it was hot and he needed to take a swim.


http://ktla.com/2014/06/24/bear-cools-off-in-backyard-pool-in-sierra-madre-foothills/


Yeah, parents. Why don't we have a license for that?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/30/asia/japan-boy-woods/index.html

Don't they know the "I'm going to pull over" is supposed to be an empty threat?

Pretty sure we're just kinda posting whatever-the-fuck in here now.

[allegro]

Why is this discussion in Random Celebrity Headlines? Was the gorilla famous? (serious question)
Yeah, he was 17 years old, at the Cincinnati Zoo, fathered a few silverback gorilla babies, endangered species. His bday was the day before he was killed.

He was something of a celebrity before, BUT HE SURE AS SHIT IS NOW!!

He was known as "one of the Kardashians."

edit:

here's the video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfuz7cTDNeI&feature=youtu.be&t=152

[Khrz]

He was known as "one of the Kardashians."

If only that kid had fell in a Kardashian pen...

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[Hazekiah]

If only that kid had fell in a Kardashian pen...


http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/thats-racist.jpg



LOL, jk.

And seeing the video now...yeah, he was being pretty fucking rough with the kid he was "protecting."

But still. Talk about ASKING FOR IT.

Fuck that retarded kid and his absentee mom, too.

[allegro]

Look, having had a half brother that was pretty much like that little kid, it isn't really the KID'S fault, honestly.

And the first thing I thought when I saw that kid stuck in that gorilla pen is "oh, crap, that totally coulda been my little half brother."

Ultimately, though, it's the ZOO'S fault for it being even POSSIBLE. And yet nobody is blaming the damned zoo. Some kids are just, well, KIDS and they're little devils. And the zoo has to plan for that kind of shit and PROTECT THE ANIMALS.

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[allegro]

Actually MSNBC just did a story about the gorilla/zoo incident and Ari I can't remember his last name, the legal analyst did just that blamed the zoo for the incident.

Oh and your half brother Damian, sounds like a fun guy, does he play an instrument cause I'm looking for band members and having the son of Satan in the band would definitely up my street cred.
My half brother was/is very smart but did terribly in school and was diagnosed as ADHD at around 8 and was stuck in a trailer with the "emotionally disabled" kids for years and dropped out at 16. Hopefully somebody will wake this mother up that something is not normal.

And, yes, the zoo is totally liable.

[Deepvoid]

My half brother was/is very smart but did terribly in school and was diagnosed as ADHD at around 8 and was stuck in a trailer with the "emotionally disabled" kids for years and dropped out at 16. Hopefully somebody will wake this mother up that something is not normal.

And, yes, the zoo is totally liable.

Zoo is liable for what? If the parents don't press charges, that's the end of the story.
Who suffered a damage here? The gorilla's estate?

[allegro]

Zoo is liable for what?
To fix the situation and protect their animals and the public.

Liable also means "potential liabilities."

The kid suffered a concussion. He has medical damages. The parents could actually sue. You never know. The mother could be guilty of "contributory negligence" but not NEARLY as much as the zoo.

Also, "liable for the gorilla's death." As by definition, not be potential damages.

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[Deepvoid]

To fix the situation and protect their animals and the public.

Liable also means "potential liabilities."

The kid suffered a concussion. He has medical damages. The parents could actually sue. You never know. The mother could be guilty of "contributory negligence" but not NEARLY as much as the zoo.

Also, "liable for the gorilla's death." As by definition, not be potential damages.

I completely agree that they are liable for the gorilla's death. A kid should not be able to fall down a gorilla's pit. I guess what I meant to say is that there's no damage as a result of this liability.

[Dra508]

The gorilla is the celebrity. Let's be clear. It's all fucked up. Unless we want to go back to magilla gorilla at the Central Park zoo looking like his home is a jail cell the zoos, the humans, have to figure some thing out.

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[allegro]

The gorilla is the celebrity. Let's be clear. It's all fucked up. Unless we want to go back to magilla gorilla at the Central Park zoo looking like his home is a jail cell the zoos, the humans, have to figure some thing out.

I don't think they need jail cells but the same "natural" enclosures that exist, now, can be surrounded by 10-foot plexi walls that securely connect to the ground while still providing an adequate "natural" environment for the animal and allowing zoo visitors to safely and fully observe from a distance.

If a "nut" wants to go to great lengths to get in and breach security, then it's the nut's fault; the zoo has performed its obligatory diligence.

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[allegro]

Charges against boy's mother at Cleveland Zoo are being considered (http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/ohio/as-charges-over-zoo-incident-are-considered-family-releases-statement/226178651). Kid climbed 3-foot fence to gain entry to gorilla compound. Boy is actually 3, not 4.


If police suspect possible neglect, authorities said they are required by law to report it to the county child protection agency where the family lives.


Witnesses told police that the boy climbed over a 3-foot-tall fence and went through bushes that separate visitors from the moat. The boy fell down into the shallow water, about 15 feet below, according to a police report.

The boy then “proceeded to play in the water,” the report says.

[marodi]

The special educator who submitted the name "Harambe" for the baby gorilla explains what the name means and what can be learned from his death. It's a beautiful, well thought of tribute about hope and is worth reading.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/31/opinions/harambe-death-meaning-coppenolle/index.html

[allegro]

The special educator who submitted the name "Harambe" for the baby gorilla explains what the name means and what can be learned from his death. It's a beautiful, well thought of tribute about hope and is worth reading.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/31/opinions/harambe-death-meaning-coppenolle/index.html


If Harambe's message can reach even more people over the coming weeks and months, then perhaps more can be done to ensure that one day, we won't have to resort to raising these great creatures in captivity to help ensure the species' survival.
Amen to that!

[allegro]

Washington Post: The Cincinnati Zoo’s problem wasn’t that it killed its gorilla. It’s that it’s a zoo. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-cincinnati-zoos-problem-wasnt-that-it-killed-its-gorilla-its-that-its-a-zoo/2016/06/01/a44015e8-27ea-11e6-b989-4e5479715b54_story.html?tid=sm_fb)

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[sick among the pure]

While sanctuaries are often preferable, I've been to a SHADY AS HELL "sanctuary" before. Like "no photos allowed" because they didn't want people to show others what kind of conditions the animals lived in.
Zoos play 2 important roles for endangered species. One is of course helping sustain SOME sort of population for them. There are animals who unfortunately ONLY live in zoos now, because humans suck. But zoos also serve as something to get people's attention and care for animals, to pull in children and make them passionate about wildlife and habitat preservation, to bring people with income to the cause of helping these animals.
Zoos are very important, as terrible as the idea of putting wild animals in cages is, there are benefits to their existence. I would love for there not to be a need for them, so all animals could live in their natural habitat.

[allegro]

While sanctuaries are often preferable, I've been to a SHADY AS HELL "sanctuary" before. Like "no photos allowed" because they didn't want people to show others what kind of conditions the animals lived in.
Zoos play 2 important roles for endangered species. One is of course helping sustain SOME sort of population for them. There are animals who unfortunately ONLY live in zoos now, because humans suck. But zoos also serve as something to get people's attention and care for animals, to pull in children and make them passionate about wildlife and habitat preservation, to bring people with income to the cause of helping these animals.
Zoos are very important, as terrible as the idea of putting wild animals in cages is, there are benefits to their existence. I would love for there not to be a need for them, so all animals could live in their natural habitat.

I used to think this way about zoos, too, until my animal activist friends (including one who was a docent at the National Zoo) schooled me on the subject and I found out that things aren't really as they seem. See this (http://www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsandnature/top-misleading-claims-zoos-make/).

See the Born Free USA Press Release re Harambe (http://www.bornfreeusa.org/press.php?p=5563&more=1).

And, yes, just because it says "sanctuary" doesn't mean it really IS one (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36424091) (warning).

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[allegro]

So if sanctuary's and zoo's are no good, what can be done for the safety of these animals?
The biggest purchaser of ivory is China. China has really ramped up its ban on ivory (http://english.caixin.com/2016-03-23/100923766.html) and is enforcing it (http://phys.org/news/2016-03-china-widens-ivory-imports.html), particularly after Chinese activists started a Just Say No to Ivory (http://wildaid.org/news/lang-lang-urges-chinese-travelers-say-no-ivory%E2%80%99-new-psa) campaign that has become REALLY popular in China. If nobody is BUYING ivory, then the reason to kill for ivory will stop. (http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/13/asia/hong-kong-ivory-trade/)

Also, see: The Duke of Cambridge has unveiled plans to help the global transport industry crack down on illegal wildlife trafficking routes (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35814135).


"We have faced up to the fact that if current trends continue, the last wild African elephants and rhinos will be killed before my daughter Charlotte reaches her 25th birthday," he said.

"Everyone agrees that losing these animals from the wild would be a disaster for humanity. This means that halting this crisis is only a test of our will. The question is: can we be bothered to do our bit?

"By signing this declaration, you, the leaders of some of the most important transportation companies and agencies on earth are answering with an emphatic, 'yes'."

He warned that if the crisis was not turned around within the next five years, the battle would be lost forever.

See also this (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/25/opinion/how-to-stop-wildlife-poachers.html?_r=0).

Piano keys have not been made of ivory in a very long time. Even Steinway keys are made from white plastic. See number 60 (http://www.steinwaypianos.com/159-facts-about-steinway-and-the-pianos-they-build).


Here is a great article in Scientific American re Harambe (http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/why-was-harambe-the-gorilla-in-a-zoo-in-the-first-place/).


Captive breeding by zoos to produce individuals who are going to live out their lives in cages, in the name of entertainment and possibly in the name of education and conservation, raises many challenging questions. Did people who saw Harambe learn anything about what the life of a male western lowland gorilla is really like? No, they didn’t. Did they learn something about these fascinating animals that would help Harambe or his wild relatives? Clearly, nothing learned would help Harambe as he was forced to live in his cage; a large enclosure is still a cage. Harambe was not going to be put out in the wild and introduced to other gorillas.

Did people learn something about these gorillas that would help wild relatives? Once again, likely not. While some might argue that learning about Harambe is good for conserving his species, and while many of us know someone who went to a zoo and said they learned something new about a given species, there’s no hard evidence that these people then go on to do something for the good of the species. Indeed, a recent study conducted by zoos themselves, showed that what people learn is very limited in scope in terms of what the new knowledge means in any practical sense. While a very small percentage of people learn that maintaining biodiversity is important, they don’t learn about the need for biodiversity conservation.



I'm a female; here is the meaning behind my login (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/allegro).

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and there are piano manufactures that will do anything if you are willing to pay for it obviously they do not want the general public to know about it, for obvious reasons.
That is not the major source of ivory that is behind the poaching, especially considering that it is extremely illegal in this country and no reputable manufacturer would be willing to commit a Federal crime and going to Federal prison for any amount of money unless they are really stupid.

Doesn't matter if I'm a boy or a girl, right? 8-)

Again, I cite this article (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/25/opinion/how-to-stop-wildlife-poachers.html?_r=0) suggesting that funds be directed to wildlife armed security to protect the natural wildlife areas.

Raising funds for parks like Virunga (https://virunga.org/) for the installation of electric fences, more armed security guards, trained bloodhound teams, etc., helps to keep the native lowland gorillas safely in their own homes.

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[allegro]

I am sure the authorities are going after some type(s) of "Dr. Feelgood" (like Elvis' Dr. Nick, or Dr. Conrad Murray for Michael Jackson) who was supplying way too many drugs, enabling the use of pain killers to spiral into a full-blown addiction

Link to news of Report (http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/02/health/prince-death-opioid-overdose/).

He "self-administered" Fentanyl.

"It's 25 to 50 times more potent than heroin and 50 to 100 times more potent than morphine, according to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration."

It's usually given to cancer patients for extreme pain.

"The music superstar weighed 112 pounds and was 63 inches tall when he died."

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[allegro]

This has already been in the press but the day they found Prince in the elevator was the day he was to meet the son of the doctor that was going to take him to California for treatment of addiction.
There was a Minneapolis-area doctor that Prince had been seeing who dropped off test results the morning Prince died (http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/11/warrant-princes-doctor-prescribed-him-medication-the-day-before-he-died/) only to discover that Prince was already dead (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/arts/music/princes-doctor-arrived-with-test-results-only-to-find-him-dead.html). He's been subpoenaed.

Dr. Kornfeld was called in by friends and family of Prince in an attempted (but too-late) intervention (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/05/arts/music/friends-sought-help-for-princes-addiction-lawyer-says.html) although sources close to Prince say he willingly sought treatment.

[Dra508]

I don't think they need jail cells but the same "natural" enclosures that exist, now, can be surrounded by 10-foot plexi walls that securely connect to the ground while still providing an adequate "natural" environment for the animal and allowing zoo visitors to safely and fully observe from a distance.

If a "nut" wants to go to great lengths to get in and breach security, then it's the nut's fault; the zoo has performed its obligatory diligence.

I forgot about this one a while back. http://www.wcvb.com/news/gorilla-incident-brings-back-haunting-memory-of-franklin-park-zoo-incident/39793052

No warning on the Cincinnati video which I hadn't seen and shit that freaked me out.

Last year, I went the San Diego zoo and spent some time at the chimpanzee enclosure. I honestly couldn't tell you how high the plexiglass was next to the pedestrian walk. This one older female was sitting right close to to the glass with only a couple feet between us. With her deep human like expressionless eyes, she looked at me, reached around and scooped a finger full of shit from her ass, continued to looked at me, - and ate it.

Wow, how we've evolved.

[Mantra]

There was a Minneapolis-area doctor that Prince had been seeing who dropped off test results the morning Prince died (http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/11/warrant-princes-doctor-prescribed-him-medication-the-day-before-he-died/) only to discover that Prince was already dead (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/arts/music/princes-doctor-arrived-with-test-results-only-to-find-him-dead.html). He's been subpoenaed.

Oh my fucking god, I used to see Dr. Schullenberg, some years ago. What in the fucking hell??!!!! This is like the second time this has happened to me! Last year my old dentist turned out to be a fucking lion killer, and now this, what the fuck!!

To be honest, reading that article and then googling around some more and seeing different peoples takes on this, its actually incredibly upsetting. Dr. Schulenberg is not one of these scummy pill pushing Hollywood doctors. He's a very kind and sincere person. He runs a totally legitimate family practice, and a large percentage of his patients are elderly people. It's so hard to find a good doctor, but he is the real deal. When I mainly saw him was many years ago when I was having a lot health problems due to a combination of being malnourished/living in my car, and also my own substance issues, and he was everything I could have asked for. He was a warm and sincere person and also incredibly smart and well informed. I see these people on these news sites making these comments implying that he was prince's drug dealer, and I don't believe that for one second. It's horrible to see that his name is being dragged all over the place and all these people are jumping to all these cynical conclusions even though he hasn't actually been accused of anything. Man this is fucking depressing.

[Your Name Here]

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[allegro]

Oh my fucking god, I used to see Dr. Schullenberg, some years ago. What in the fucking hell??!!!! This is like the second time this has happened to me! Last year my old dentist turned out to be a fucking lion killer, and now this, what the fuck!!

To be honest, reading that article and then googling around some more and seeing different peoples takes on this, its actually incredibly upsetting. Dr. Schulenberg is not one of these scummy pill pushing Hollywood doctors. He's a very kind and sincere person. He runs a totally legitimate family practice, and a large percentage of his patients are elderly people. It's so hard to find a good doctor, but he is the real deal. When I mainly saw him was many years ago when I was having a lot health problems due to a combination of being malnourished/living in my car, and also my own substance issues, and he was everything I could have asked for. He was a warm and sincere person and also incredibly smart and well informed. I see these people on these news sites making these comments implying that he was prince's drug dealer, and I don't believe that for one second. It's horrible to see that his name is being dragged all over the place and all these people are jumping to all these cynical conclusions even though he hasn't actually been accused of anything. Man this is fucking depressing.

I don't think they have found that this Dr. Schullenberg has done anything wrong; they found some prescriptions at Paisley Park but it wasn't disclosed which, if any, were from Dr. Schulenberg, who has since left the clinic where he was practicing for some unknown personal reasons but does not have any complaints or bad history; Prince was treated for illnesses before this, including pneumonia, so whatever "test results" and prescriptions he dropped off could have been related to that. I think once this investigation gets somewhere, they'll find he isn't involved in it at all.

It's a small world, though, eh? Heh.

As far as Michael Jackson, his drug addiction was related to emotional pain and physical pain; he reportedly had been unable to sleep for weeks, and that's why he was going to different doctors seeking sleep medication. He had also suffered from ongoing pain related to his burn injuries sustained during the filming of the Pepsi commercial. He wasn't taking drugs for "recreational" purposes. So there really was no difference between Prince and Michael Jackson (that we know so far anyway); this is how people get addicted to prescription drugs, it's why they are now so heavily regulated. The investigation into Prince's death, including the search warrant, is to determine how he was getting these drugs, via prescription from one doctor, several doctors, or on his own illegal source. When doctors administer so many drugs that patients become very addicted, the AMA has determined that it IS unethical; this is why these drugs are now heavily regulated, can no longer be submitted via e-script but instead via written prescriptions, etc. Opiate painkillers used to be doled out like candy, but those days are over since they are now Schedule II drugs. See also this (http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drug_chem_info/fentanyl.pdf).

[Khrz]

Oh my fucking god, I used to see Dr. Schullenberg, some years ago. What in the fucking hell??!!!! This is like the second time this has happened to me! Last year my old dentist turned out to be a fucking lion killer, and now this, what the fuck!!

If I were you I'd ask my optician how his awesome cougar of a wife is doing. Maybe you just have a knack for finding doctors who kill cool cats ?

[Your Name Here]

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[allegro]

Using a dangerous anesthetic to treat insomnia is insane, taking too many pain killers for legitimate physical pain is another thing.

Yes, but this is FENTANYL. It's STRONGER than HEROIN. It's total overkill. I have senior citizen neighbors who've had both hips replaced and they're in their 70s and they're on Vicodin and physical therapy, not fucking FENTANYL.


Fentanyl is abused for its intense euphoric effects. Fentanyl can serve as a direct substitute for heroin in opioid dependent individuals. However, fentanyl is a very dangerous substitute for heroin because it is much more potent than heroin and results in frequent overdoses that can lead to respiratory depression and death.

Prince had hip replacement surgery in 2010. If he was still taking pain killers 6 years later, after the hip replacement surgery, then he was probably addicted to the painkillers he was taking in 2010. Actually, his friends say he started taking them in 2006 (http://www.etonline.com/news/187644_prince_used_percocet_to_treat_persistent_pa in_from_hip_and_ankle_injuries_starting_2006/). At some point, you build a tolerance and you need to take more and more and more, and that's when what the doctors are doing is unethical (continuing to prescribe). See also this (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/03/15/cdc-issues-new-guidelines-opiate-prescribing-reduce-abuse-overdoses/81809704/).

[Your Name Here]

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[allegro]

Had Prince had the hip replacement he most likely would still be alive today. Another reason why I have such a problem with ALL RELIGIONS.
Reports say he did get the hip replacement surgery, in 2010. And he started taking the painkillers in 2006, and just never stopped taking them.

[Your Name Here]

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[allegro]

I guess JW aren't against surgery, they're against blood transfusions but it's hard to get anybody to do surgery without the possibility of a blood transfusion. Don't know how he negotiated that, if he broke the JW rules or just got somebody to do surgery without the blood transfusion. He was involved in BLM-type activism which is also against JW rules but he evidently didn't give a shit. At some point, people start taking the drugs for how good it makes them feel and not about the pain.

[Mantra]

I don't think they have found that this Dr. Schullenberg has done anything wrong; they found some prescriptions at Paisley Park but it wasn't disclosed which, if any, were from Dr. Schulenberg, who has since left the clinic where he was practicing for some unknown personal reasons but does not have any complaints or bad history; Prince was treated for illnesses before this, including pneumonia, so whatever "test results" and prescriptions he dropped off could have been related to that. I think once this investigation gets somewhere, they'll find he isn't involved in it at all.

It's a small world, though, eh? Heh.

Yeah, tell me about it. Sheesh. My life is becoming so weird. Yesterday my aunt was on lockdown because she works at UCLA and they had a shooting there. I feel like I keep having all these tangential connections to things in the media and its fucking WEIRD, lol

And yeah, I know that Dr Schulenberg probably isn't going to get into any actual legal trouble, because I'm sure he didn't do anything wrong, but it sucks that his name is dragged all over the place. I see all these news articles and comment sections where people are just assuming that he is responsible for Prince's death. I have to imagine that this is going to have a fairly serious impact on his career. Maybe he'll be able to recover, I hope. His name was NEVER meant to be releases but the fucking sherrifs fucked it up, so now he's all over the media even though he hasn't actually done anything wrong, and it just pisses me off because he really was an extraordinarily good doctor and a good person, and its just not right to see this guy's career fucked with just because prince died and now everyone has decided that they're out for blood. And I guess the reason I have a strong reaction is just because he once made such a huge difference in my own life.

[allegro]

Mantra, that's really sad, maybe patients like you who know that he is a good doctor can counter this bad publicity by making positive online comments. I hope it works out for him, I hope the Sheriff's office clears his name.

[Mantra]

Also... Jehovah's witnesses do not have anything against medicine or surgery at all, but they don't believe in blood transfusions. However, there are plenty of bloodless surgery methods available. Bloodless surgery has come a long way over the years. there are bloodless hip surgeries available. a bunch of people in my family are JWs and they've had various surgeries and medical treatments over the years. They don't believe in any of that faith healing bullshit at all. Also, even if a doctor finds it risky to do a surgery without a blood transfusion, he's not really allowed to deny bloodless surgery options to a patient, because its considered to be a violation of the patient's rights. There have been a shitload of lawsuits over the years against doctors and hospitals who didn't respect the wishes of JW patients.

[allegro]

That's interesting / good to know, I'd read articles about medicine not respecting JW's no-blood-transfusion wishes and insisting on it even when it wasn't necessary (my above post).

[Mantra]

Mantra, that's really sad, maybe patients like you who know that he is a good doctor can counter this bad publicity by making positive online comments. I hope it works out for him, I hope the Sheriff's office clears his name.

Yeah, for sure, I saw some ppl on a Star Tribune article speaking up for him. The problem is I'm nit at home right now, I'm in California visiting family and I don't have my computer, only my shitty windows phone, so its painful trying to browse the internet and type up comments, and a bunch of sites won't even load correctly, so I'm just gonna wait till I get home on Monday.

[thevoid99]

Hey, did anyone here mention a story about a Japanese boy lost in the woods because his parents dropped him off as punishment? Well, he's alive: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36441612

Now let's go kick the shit out of those dumbass parents for putting their child in serious danger. That kid is going to have lots of therapy because of their bullshit.

[allegro]

I thought this article about Prince is really great, especially regarding "physical dependence" on prescription painkillers vs. "addiction." (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2016/05/prince_s_death_reveals_we_have_no_idea_what_addict ion_really_means.html)


The rumors that Prince entered a rehabilitation program to address a perceived painkiller addiction—whether or not the rumors are true—illustrate a general confusion about the difference between physical dependence and addiction. Many of Prince’s friends and acquaintances, including his longtime collaborator Sheila E., have attested to the physical pain and discomfort he suffered in his later years, owing to decades of strenuous performing. In the face of such chronic pain, many patients can be treated with an opiate to the point of physical dependence for an extended period of time without adverse medical consequences, resulting in a much higher quality of life. (It remains to be established whether an absence of skilled medical care—surely available to one of his status and means—contributed to the death of Prince.) Indeed, each of us, without exception, will become physically dependent on opiates if exposed to them in sufficient doses for a sufficient period of time. In physical dependence, adaptive changes take place in the brain; upon stopping the drug, a constellation of signs and symptoms appears which is called the opiate abstinence syndrome—the hallmark of physical dependence.

In contrast with physical dependence, however, a definition of addiction is harder to reach. Neuroscientists call it a brain disease. Others think it is simply a choice or a moral failing. I prefer to say that addiction is a behavioral state of compulsive and uncontrollable drug craving and seeking. Many of those treated for chronic pain will not become physically dependent. And even in those who do develop dependence, only a small fraction will become addicted, and even a smaller number will overdose. It would be cavalier to suggest that physical dependence upon an opiate is an entirely benign condition; we would best avoid it. But we should also avoid the notion that treating chronic pain creates “addicts.” Sufferers of chronic pain are not compulsively craving and seeking drugs. They are looking for relief from their pain.

Partly owing to the stigma around painkillers, those who suffer chronic pain that is effectively treated with opiates may be reduced to “doctor shopping” in an endless quest for adequate treatment. They may find a skilled professional schooled in pain management; more likely, they will find a “scrip doctor,” an unscrupulous physician who makes his living writing opiate prescriptions. Even worse, they may be driven into the illicit market where heroin and fentanyl, a particularly dangerous opiate, are available, often for less than the cost of prescription drugs. The roots of actual addiction are multiple and often intertwined: adolescent risk-taking, poverty and homelessness, an absence of love or hope or meaningful work. The potential remedies are equally complex. But one thing is certain: No addict will be saved by rules that inflict pain on others.

[onthewall2983]

Muhammad Ali hospitalized with respiratory issue (http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/15904925/boxing-great-muhammad-ali-hospital-respiratory-issue)

[DigitalChaos]

Yes, but this is FENTANYL. It's STRONGER than HEROIN.
This is just silly drug hysteria type phrasing.
It's like saying LSD 100k times stronger than mushrooms, as if that matters. It just means that you take a smaller quantity. Fentanyl also has other benefits, like skin patches that slowly absorb over a few days so you have a slow steady supply (compared to oral dosage pain killers). There are a lot of reasons to choose fentanyl over other pain killers.

[allegro]

This is just silly drug hysteria type phrasing.
It's like saying LSD 100k times stronger than mushrooms, as if that matters. It just means that you take a smaller quantity. Fentanyl also has other benefits, like skin patches that slowly absorb over a few days so you have a slow steady supply (compared to oral dosage pain killers). There are a lot of reasons to choose fentanyl over other pain killers.
You mean, for a DOCTOR to choose it. Not, like, Elvis with his own PDR at home, flipping thought the pages, "I choose Fentanyl." Word among Prince's friends was that he was also dependent on Percocet. So he was evidently on several painkillers. He accidentally OD'd on Fentanyl, and the report says he "self-administered" so I don't know if that means he got it on his own, or what ... But it seems that if a doctor knows that a patient is already dependent, he/she wouldn't give Prince the King Kahuna of painkillers, saying "here ya go!" So, there was probably some dr. shopping, here, or self-medicating?

My late best friend died of colon cancer at 34, and his oncologist had him on a constant dose of Percocet; I always laugh remembering what my friend said, "Take one of those and, honey, you gotta RUN for the couch!"

[DigitalChaos]

You mean, for a DOCTOR to choose it. Not, like, Elvis with his own PDR at home, flipping thought the pages, "I choose Fentanyl." Word among Prince's friends was that he was also dependent on Percocet. So he was evidently on several painkillers. He accidentally OD'd on Fentanyl, and the report says he "self-administered" so I don't know if that means he got it on his own, or what ... But it seems that if a doctor knows that a patient is already dependent, he/she wouldn't give Prince the King Kahuna of painkillers, saying "here ya go!" So, there was probably some dr. shopping, here, or self-medicating?

My late best friend died of colon cancer at 34, and his oncologist had him on a constant dose of Percocet; I always laugh remembering what my friend said, "Take one of those and, honey, you gotta RUN for the couch!"

I don't think there is anything inherently bad about self-administration as long as you educated yourself. And yes, it would be a bad idea to treat opioid dependence with more opioids. The guy clearly was convinced to go through addiction treatment, and with the knowledge of a doctor. It's entirely possible multiple doctors were involved that had no idea about the other prescriptions he already had (dr shopping).

[october_midnight]

Muhammad Ali hospitalized with respiratory issue (http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/15904925/boxing-great-muhammad-ali-hospital-respiratory-issue)

Word is that he's on life support now, vitals are 'terrible' and it 'won't be long until he passes away.' This year can kiss my pasty white ass.

[thevoid99]

Fuck you 2016. Really. Fuck you. Prince, Glenn Frey, Alan Rickman, Maurice White, Natalie Cole, several other names I'm forgetting, and our beloved David Bowie. Fuck you 2016. I want this fucking year to end now.

[Dra508]

I don't think there is anything inherently bad about self-administration as long as you educated yourself.
So is the assumption that Price educated himself on self administration?

I don't I got clear whether Prince ever did get the hip surgery. I remember when I saw him perform at Coachella, my brother pointed out that he wasn't wearing his typical high heeled boots, but rather white tennies. If he didn't get his hip. fixed back then and has been educatedly self medicating for THAT many years.. Oy. Doesn't your tolerance just keep going up? Honest question.

[allegro]

Word is that he's on life support now, vitals are 'terrible' and it 'won't be long until he passes away.' This year can kiss my pasty white ass.

God bless him, I hope he doesn't suffer. He truly was the Greatest.

[Hazekiah]

Whoa, kinda crazy I was JUST talking about fentanyl in this thread and then lo and behold THAT'S what it turns out Prince OD-ed on.

And "self-admistering" fentanyl can be as simple as slapping on a transdermal patch, fwiw.

My pal brought one to a party a few years ago that he got from a terminal cancer patient who traded it for weed and we cut it open to smoke its gel off of some foil. I'm not really a downer kinda guy but I hit it a few times anyway and HOT DAMN, that shit was strong as fuck. Plus it was a 72 hour patch, apparently...so there's that. I accidentally got some on my fingertip while helping to cut it open and absentmindedly licked it off though so I think THAT'S what REALLY kicked my ass.

Spent the next day-and-a-half puking bile and water while thinking of Putin gassing Chechan terrorists with Moscow theater-goers and I was THIS close to throwing in the towel and going to the hospital before I finally got over it. No surprise to hear it killed it a n00b, that shit happens ALL the time. Feds actually track its distribution by hospital OD statistics.

:-\

[Jinsai]

No surprise to hear it killed it a n00b, that shit happens ALL the time.

Prince was paying $40k for six-month supplies for over 25 years.

[implanted_microchip]

Good Christ @Hazekiah (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1162) every time I think you can't get any shamelessly trashier you make a post that utterly floors me once again. That read like Kid Rock fan fiction.

And seriously, trivializing opioid abuse and using the word "n00b" in reference to someone who presumably was on painkillers for decades and died tragically is beyond in poor taste, dude. Come the fuck on.

More OT: if Ali dies this year then I'm convinced that this year is just some weird Ambien dream I'm having and any day now I'll wake up and it'll be 2014 again. This year's so goddamned strange.

[allegro]

Prince was paying $40k for six-month supplies for over 25 years.

Say waaaaaaaaaaaaaa??

Edit: Oooooooohhhh (http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/04/24/drug-dealer-prince-spent-40000-time-pain-pills-25-years). Not sure I believe Dr D quite yet.

[Hazekiah]

Huh, I heard someone saying the fentanyl was a recent uptick in his pain-management medication and didn't bother fact-checking it. My bad, I guess.

But WOW that's a fuckload of fentanyl, if true. Still an unsurprising result, regardless.

And was I REALLY "trivializing opioid abuse"...?

I kinda feel like I WASN'T since I clearly outlined my harrowing ordeal and mortal terror at my mere dabbling with it. I mean, I guess I survived it without medical intervention and I SUPPOSE that could be misconstrued as "trivializing" it. I prefer to think of it as simply relating the facts of my own experience though so FUCK YOU for for all that Kid Rock fancfic and "trashy" shittalking.

"Oh, hey, I did that shit once, it was horrible."

"STFU YOU TRAILER TRASH ASSHOLE! STOP TRIVIALIZING!"

LOLWTF.

o_O

[Jinsai]

Say waaaaaaaaaaaaaa??

Edit: Oooooooohhhh (http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/04/24/drug-dealer-prince-spent-40000-time-pain-pills-25-years). Not sure I believe Dr D quite yet.

Yeah, it's possible that it's just sensationalist BS, but the crassness of that post is really obnoxious. The main danger with opioid abuse is that it gets lethal as you build up a tolerance over time. I don't know why I'm feeding the troll...

[Hazekiah]

It's EXTRA funny because I'm also currently receiving misguided hate for DEMONIZING opioid abuse in Provider Module's drug-thread, lol.

OMFG, you people,.

>_>

[allegro]

Yeah, it's possible that it's just sensationalist BS, but the crassness of that post is really obnoxious. The main danger with opioid abuse is that it gets lethal as you build up a tolerance over time. I don't know why I'm feeding the troll...

He's not really a troll, he's been here a long time and he's just done a lot of drugs. It would appear, based on the evidence presented so far via TMZ etc., that Prince was primarily doing Percocet for a long time. People upgrade to Fentanyl when the Percocet stops working like it used to; he allegedly already OD'd several days before his death, on his plane, and was taken to a hospital in Moline, IL, and given a "save shot" for what was thought to be too much Percocet. But he could have been doing too much Fentanyl, which we still don't know if he obtained legally, back then, too. And I guess those save shots don't work as well for Fentanyl? I can't see any reputable doctor giving him Fentanyl when he'd been on Percocet for years, not with the new pain management and opiate abuse Fed guidelines.

Hazekiah, yeah, weren't you just talking about giving Fentanyl to the gorilla?

[Hazekiah]

I totally was!

And I do know there's at least SOMETHING they can do for fentanyl ODs.

There was a HUGE ordeal over the fact that Putin wouldn't tell local hospitals what he gassed the terrorists with so they could treat the innocent bystanders for it and a SHITLOAD of wealthy Russians died but that's small potatoes compared to WAR CRIMES charges for gassing your own citizens so I guess he just said FUCK IT. They only deduced that it was fentanyl posthumously because it isn't fat-soluble.

But, yeah, most "save shots" are generally Narcan as far as I know and since fentanyl is several orders of magnitude beyond the shit they're meant to treat I guess it stands to reason that the everyday cure wouldn't quite measure up.

:-\


And THANK YOU, btw, @allegro (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76).

[allegro]

I totally was [talking about tranquilizing the gorilla with Fentanyl]!

https://i.imgflip.com/156g30.jpg

[cashpiles (closed)]

http://pitchfork.com/news/66418-justin-timberlake-apologizes-for-bet-awards-tweet-controversy/

Justin Timberlake Apologizes for BET Awards Tweet Controversy

I find this fucking ridiculous. A presenter was blaming white people for appropriating black culture and making money off it. WHAT THE HOLY FUCK? Every single culture takes ideas from other cultures to improve their own cultures. This is human nature. If this particular presenter takes his ideas to their logical conclusion, then he should stop wearing European clothes, appearing on a communications medium invented by Europeans.. etc. FUCK YOU LYING, RACIST MOTHERFUCKER. Who invented your fucking microphone? Who invented your piano? Guess what? They were made by HUMANS. And if you try to divide humans, then stop using shit made outside your culture. FUCKING IDIOT.

[Sarah K]

I know that everyone is supposed to pretend that they don't care about the Kardashians, but holy shit I love them.

Kim is the fucking master of the long game. This is the best day on the internet since the peak of Drake vs. Meek.

[allegro]

I know that everyone is supposed to pretend that they don't care about the Kardashians, but holy shit I love them.

Kim is the fucking master of the long game. This is the best day on the internet since the peak of Drake vs. Meek.
Taylor Swift is being an asshat right now. Saying shit like she didn't like how he called her a bitch in the song, Kim says he's called her a bitch in songs and that's just how rappers talk, he isn't singling out Swift. It's just weird that Swift is ok with building a career on writing nasty songs about other people, ex-boyfriends, other singers, etc., but now somebody mentions her name IN JEST in a song about being famous and she loses her shit and calls her legal team even though Kanye called her in advance about it. Not cool.

Her ex-boyfriend is publicly going after her, now, too.

[Swykk]

It definitely isn't pretend that I don't like a family of arrogant entitled vapid twats who've done nothing but get famous off of a family name and a porno vid.

See also: Paris Hilton. Or any reality TV star, really.

I know who Kanye is only because of the arrogant and ignorant shit that comes out of his mouth and becomes "news." They deserve each other. I've purposely avoided his music because I couldn't possibly respect him after the way he's carried himself.

As for Swift, I've maybe heard one of her songs? It's typical empty pop music. I think she's pissed about how Kanye treated her before and looks like she has told some lies to spite him in return. Also, she is dating Loki? Who believes that is real?

The whole thing is dumb. All of it.

[Sarah K]

I just love that people are still falling over themselves to come up with excuses for Taylor. Like bruh, you got caught. Just admit it and move on. She's still trying to play the victim and I LOVE IT.

[allegro]

It definitely isn't pretend that I don't like a family of arrogant entitled vapid twats who've done nothing but get famous off of a family name and a porno vid.

See also: Paris Hilton. Or any reality TV star, really.

I know who Kanye is only because of the arrogant and ignorant shit that comes out of his mouth and becomes "news." They deserve each other.

As for Swift, I've maybe heard one of her songs? It's typical empty pop music. I think she's pissed about how Kanye treated her before and looks like she has told some lies to spite him in return.
Okay, um, thanks for adding exactly nothing to the conversation? You just sounded EXACTLY like my 78-yr-old mom, btw. :p

http://img.wennermedia.com/620-width/kim-kardashian-forbes-cover-zoom-adca0a3b-6104-46fe-8b85-e42db05b5146.jpg

[Swykk]

She was on Forbes for her mobile game? Guess it was a slow month for Forbes. How'd she manage that? Right...by having a following due to her name and pre-existing wealth/connections to get said game made.

As for adding to the conversation, maybe you're right, but I did write that my guess is Swift lied due to how Kanye treated her in the past.

[Sarah K]

It is also amusing how people like to pretend that the Kardashians are somehow lacking in intelligence.

If only we all had family who cared about each other so much!

[allegro]

She was on Forbes for her mobile game?
Look at the cover; she's made $45 million from her mobile game, so far; just because she's pretty doesn't mean she's stupid.

Also, people don't spend THAT much on games just due to "pre-existing connections." That may get you a game made, but that doesn't get people to buy your game. A lot of people out there genuinely like her.

[Swykk]

I wasn't questioning that she has a following at all. Lots of people are into reality TV.

I don't find her attractive at all.

[allegro]

I wasn't questioning that she has a following at all. Lots of people are into reality TV.

I don't find her attractive at all.

A lot of the world disagrees. And her app isn't about reality TV, nor are the several Dash stores that they owned (https://shopdashonline.com/) long before the TV show*. But you feel the need to react in this thread about a topic that really isn't about her; it's about Taylor Swift being whiney and portraying herself as a constant victim, and Kim Kardashian and Katy Perry and Swift's ex-boyfriend (Calvin Harris (http://www.eonline.com/news/779695/calvin-harris-whipped-twitter-into-a-frenzy-trying-to-get-the-last-word-on-taylor-swift-so-what-is-his-real-issue)), are calling bullshit, on social media.

*First Dash store opened in Calabasas, CA in 2006. First KUWTK episode aired on October 14, 2007.

[Swykk]

I'm reacting to what you're writing. To that end, I'll go with "existing wealth and family name" for the stores opening before the show did. And for the third time, I did comment on the feud.

[allegro]

I'm reacting to what you're writing. To that end, I'll go with "existing wealth and family name" for the stores opening before the show did. And for the third time, I did comment on the feud.

Two of the Ks opened their own store and it became successful, not based on the name on the store but based on the contents; there is zero proof that a store can become successful based on a name on the door (I can show hundreds of examples in marketing where that is not the case, and ditto for TV shows (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gastineau_Girls)). Ultimately, two females who are driven, independent and successful are being castigated as useless whores. Period.

[Khrz]

I couldn't care less about any of the involved parties, but yeah, if you're not interested in a subject (whatever your reasons may be), probably best not to voice your opinion on it. Chances are your disinterest made you fundamentally unaware/ignorant about the topic.

I don't care about the Kardashians (and actually I don't even really know why that's a plural ? And don't answer that, that was rhetorical, I don't care either) but if that woman was nothing more than a stupid infamous piece of ass, she wouldn't be where she's at right now. How many aspiring stars have we seen come and go, make a sex tape, have a scandal or two until nobody cares a few months later. Doesn't matter who you date, who you fuck, who you diss, it all fades away real fast if that's all you have.
Even if her only product is herself, she had to know how and when to sell it properly. Very few people know how to do that.

[allegro]

have we seen come and go
Well, yeah, and it's been 10 years and here we are, she made $45 million on an app, has a clothing line, has a book, etc. So she didn't come and go.

Khrz: The TV show has been on for nearly 10 years, and there are a bunch of them: Kourtney, Kim, Khloe, Kris and Rob, plus the two Jenner girls. The Kardashian dad was Robert Kardashian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kardashian).


Even if her only product is herself, she had to know how and when to sell it properly. Very few people know how to do that.
Exactly. See this from Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/profile/kim-kardashian/).



#42 Kim Kardashian
2016 Celebrity 100 Earnings
$51 Million

Reality TV's most-followed woman has a new title: tech entrepreneur. Her Kim Kardashian: Hollywood mobile game generated $71.8 million in 2015; some 40% of her annual paycheck comes from the game. Add on her Instagram endorsements, the Kimoji app--a $1.99 Kim-based series of emojis--and her $2.99 subscription-based personal app, and Kardashian makes more money from mobile endeavors than anything else.

[Sarah K]

What it often times seems to boil down to is slut shaming.

HOW DARE THIS WOMAN RECORD HERSELF HAVING SEX WITH HER LONG TERM PARTNER. She should be running and hiding because women enjoying sex is still seen as taboo. Kim didn't run from it. She faced it, she moved on from it, and she has become unfathomably successful in so many different ventures. THAT is why people hate. Not because she is "stupid", a "whore", or a "twat".

These people still stuck on her having sex like 10 years later are hilarious/sad.

[Khrz]

Well, yeah, and it's been 10 years and here we are, she made $45 mllion on an app, has a clothing line, has a book, etc. So she didn't come and go.

Yeah just in case that wasn't quite clear from my post, I was basically saying that just because you don't respect her business, you have to admit that it is a very longstanding,successful one.

[allegro]

These people still stuck on her having sex like 10 years later are hilarious/sad.
Or puritanically 1950s, like my mother who's almost 80 but that's kinda understandable. And even that is just an excuse; it all comes down to a woman who is enormously successful. People (including women!) give Oprah a ton of shit and she doesn't have a sex tape or a reality show. A dude is really ubiquitous and successful and they high-five him; a woman, and she's a self-serving ho.

BUT WE DIGRESS ....

[Swykk]

@allegro (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76) For fuck's sake, they certainly didn't start as "independent." Are you really trying to play that card on me? Oh now Sarah is doing it too. Shocking. A guy who strongly supports feminism (evidence of which is available on this very message board)? It isn't going to work. How can you deny that being born into money gave them a launching pad and a safety net? This has become fucking crazy. If your goal was to make me regret posting? Mission accomplished.

And @Khrz (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2023) is right, my disinterest certainly did not give me a full picture here but I do stand by what I wrote. Continue with the silly accusations and comparing me to an old person when a cursory search would provide you with plenty of people of all ages who find Kanye, The Kardashians and Swift unbearable annoyances.

[allegro]

allegro For fuck's sake, they certainly didn't start as "independent." Are you really trying to play that card on me? A guy who strongly supports feminism (evidence of which is available on this very message board)? It isn't going to work. How can you deny that being born into money gave them a launching pad and a safety net? This has become fucking crazy. If your goal was to make me regret posting? Mission accomplished.

I believe that it may have been subliminal, but it's sexist, yes. It does not matter that they already HAD money; they actually DIDN'T have money; Kris Jenner was pretty broke, did not get SHIT in her divorce settlement from Robert Kardashian, and Bruce (nka Caitlyn) Jenner had to pay off all of Kris Jenner's bills, and then they K girls didn't get squat from their dad when he died, and that's been discussed in the show, ad infinitum. The K girls and Rob went to private schools, etc., while Kris and Robert were married, and then Bruce paid for everything while they were married, but Bruce wasn't a millionaire passing on money to the girls because he/she is notoriously CHEAP. The K girls opened a store with very little cash and a dream. The SHOW was pitched to E! and it became successful and the success of the show is what made them the money. Sure, Kourtney and Kim were making money from the initial two stores, but you act like two spoiled little cunts had money and squandered it on a cute little princess hobby and, yes, that's judgmental and from the female standpoint, that's sexist and sometimes people don't really know they are being sexist.

[Swykk]

I don't think they squandered anything. There's no denying they have made money.

Things I didn't think I would be doing when I woke up today....

[allegro]

I don't think they squandered anything. There's no denying they have made money.
Yes = They made money. Lots of it. Welcome to America.

No = They didn't already have money. That is incorrect. Their stepfather had money, and she is notoriously cheap.

Kris Jenner was / is the Producer of the E! TV show and she became the "Momager" and got of all that money, then shelled it out to the girls, hence when they started making more money (in addition to the Dash stores). A few of the girls later became co-Producers of the TV show.

[sick among the pure]

I believe that it may have been subliminal, but it's sexist, yes.

Bruce (nka Caitlyn)
Bruce paid [...]
Bruce wasn't [...]
he/she is [...]

that's judgmental and from the female standpoint, that's sexist and sometimes people don't really know they are being sexist.

I'd just like to interject that you pointed out sexism against women, then went on to call Caitlyn Bruce 3 times and "he/she", then brought it back to sexism again.

[allegro]

I'd just like to interject that you pointed out sexism against women, then went on to call Caitlyn Bruce 3 times and "he/she", then brought it back to sexism again.

To be fair, as a giant Caitlyn Jenner fan who has not missed a single episode of the 2 seasons of "I Am Cait": Caitlyn was Bruce when the Robert/Kris Kardashian divorce happened as well as during the nearly all 9 seasons of KUWTK and even Caitlyn would say (has said on the show) that this is perfectly okay to reference the timeline in Bruce / Caitlyn terms because that's how it was in history and we can't really re-write history, and even Caitlyn has express lament in not wanting to just "throw Bruce away" in history. The Jenner and K kids still call Caitlyn "Dad" and she's okay with that. The times that I referred to Caitlyn as Bruce was when she was Bruce and first married Kris and paid for all of Kris' debt when she wanted to get out of the Kardashian marriage, and then later when Bruce and Kris were married (Bruce did not become Caitlyn until after the Jenner divorce). Since then, she is Caitlyn and always will be Caitlyn. Caitlyn was Bruce when s/he walked Kim down the aisle when Kim married Kanye; Caitlyn later quipped that now she gets to wear a lot less boring clothes. :) In a recent episode of KUWTK, Lamar Odom slipped and called Caitlyn "Bruce" a few times (Lamar had been away from the family and then in the hospital for a long time and it was the first time he met Caitlyn), and Caityln didn't care. Changing your gender after 9 seasons of KUWTK and referencing the original genders and names of one of the main people in the show as it was in history is not disrespecting that person, it's simply recounting history as it was at that time.

[Sarah K]

Taylor's lesson on how to play the victim being taken to heart. Lmfaooo

[marodi]

Oh hell. Taylor Swift is a liar who was exposed as one. Owe up to what you've done Taylor and move on. Bigger things are happening in the world right now.

In the last few days I've been far more angered about that Playboy playmate who body shamed another woman who was going to the same gym she was by posting her naked picture on Snapchat with a look of disgust on her face (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/18/a-playboy-playmate-found-this-normal-womans-naked-body-gross-so-she-posted-it-online/?tid=sm_fb).

The responses to this gave me back a little hope in humanity as everyone blasted that idiot and defended the poor woman.

[allegro]

Oh hell. Taylor Swift is a liar who was exposed as one. Owe up to what you've done Taylor and move on. Bigger things are happening in the world right now.

In the last few days I've been far more angered about that Playboy playmate who body shamed another woman who was going to the same gym she was by posting her naked picture on Snapchat with a look of disgust on her face (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/18/a-playboy-playmate-found-this-normal-womans-naked-body-gross-so-she-posted-it-online/?tid=sm_fb).

The responses to this gave me back a little hope in humanity as everyone blasted that idiot and defended the poor woman.

Yeah, I totally agree, that was really horrifying and she deserves whatever shit she gets for that awful behavior.

[Archive_Reports]

It's getting nasty on here lately.

http://gizmodo.com/experts-kanye-and-kim-could-both-be-prosecuted-over-ta-1783864863

[allegro]

It's getting nasty on here lately.

http://gizmodo.com/experts-kanye-and-kim-could-both-be-prosecuted-over-ta-1783864863

Heh, well, yeah, that is also a problem. One should always inform the other that they are being recorded, unless it is industry knowledge that the person is always recording everything in the studio but then the person would have to be able to PROVE that it's industry knowledge. And I don't grok Taylor Swift's argument that she had to "hear" a song before approving it; I don't think he was even asking for her approval, he was just informing of her in advance, as a courtesy, but mentioning a famous person in a song (or even saying she's a bitch whom he "made famous") isn't illegal or even necessarily grounds for civil suit. But this is the person who copyrighted her name and "This Sick Beat (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/taylor-swift-trademarks-this-sick-beat-and-other-1989-phrases-20150128)" on shirts, so she is protecting her brand with everything she's got. She has more money than God right now, so she's probably gonna throw a lot of it around, too, heh.

[thevoid99]

Can't we just have both parties killed? They're nothing more than just waste of space. Taylor is a succubus and Kanye is an insecure egomaniac with delusions of grandeur.

[allegro]

Taylor is a succubus
Okay come on, I just nearly spit Diet Coke through my nose ...

[Sarah K]

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/07/tay-kanye/491693/


Objecting to the word is a savvy move for her. It shifts the narrative (https://twitter.com/fatimalmao/status/754899159094730753/photo/1) away from one about her own honesty and toward a topic she feels more comfortable with: feminism. This was also the initial maneuver she used against the “Famous” lyrics, using her Grammys Album of the Year acceptance speech to “say to all the young women out there: There are going to be people along the way who will try to undercut your success or take credit for your accomplishments or your fame.” But it is also a tactic—or, hey, maybe even an honest response—that has backfired, as when she blasted Nicki Minaj (http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/07/taylor-swift-silencing-nicki-minaj-vmas-twitter-bad-blood-anaconda/399164/) for seeming to “pit women against each other” when Minaj made a race-based complaint about music awards.

[Mantra]

I always think it's strange when I see someone ranting against a certain celebrity, completely unaware that their own rant is just more fuel for the hype train.

[allegro]

I always think it's strange when I see someone ranting against a certain celebrity, completely unaware that their own rant is just more fuel

But maybe the topic is bigger than we realize (http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/stevens/ct-kim-kardashian-taylor-swift-feud-balancing-0718-20160718-column.html).

Edit: I think this is a really good article on the topic (http://www.vulture.com/2016/07/what-does-taylor-swift-do-now.html?mid=facebook_nymag).

[onthewall2983]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myJtgInLsWY

[aggroculture]

Selena Gomez dismissing BLM is disappointing.

[onthewall2983]

Eric Clapton caught a big damn fish (http://www.guitarworld.com/artist-news/eric-clapton-goes-fishing-and-lands-biggest-salmon-summer/29609)

[thevoid99]

Eric Clapton caught a big damn fish (http://www.guitarworld.com/artist-news/eric-clapton-goes-fishing-and-lands-biggest-salmon-summer/29609)

That is one big-ass fucking fish.

[onthewall2983]

Biggest salmon of the summer it appears.

[cashpiles (closed)]

Can't we just have both parties killed? They're nothing more than just waste of space. Taylor is a succubus and Kanye is an insecure egomaniac with delusions of grandeur.

She is definitely a succubus. She seems to go through men like the Cookie Monster goes through boxes of cookies.

[mfte]

Speaking of being recorded... That Johnny Depp

[onthewall2983]

Tony Iommi's cancer is in full remission (http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/black-sabbath-guitarist-tony-iommi-8609211)