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[Frozen Beach]

http://gawker.com/peaches-geldof-dead-at-25-1560235428?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

[icecream]

Read some of Mickey Rooney's obituaries today and noticed none of them mentioned his yellow face character in Breakfast at Tiffany's. Fuck him

[october_midnight]

AC/DC guitarist Malcolm Young reportedly suffers stroke, band press release tomorrow expected to announce the end of the band. (http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/acdc-to-split-report-20140415-36oc1.html?utm_content=buffer442ba&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)

[mfte]

Read some of Mickey Rooney's obituaries today and noticed none of them mentioned his yellow face character in Breakfast at Tiffany's. Fuck him

Fuck him for a racially insensitive character in 1961? That's a little much isnt it?

[ibanez33]

Read some of Mickey Rooney's obituaries today and noticed none of them mentioned his yellow face character in Breakfast at Tiffany's. Fuck him

Because obituaries should always include things that the deceased did over 50 years ago that are wrong by today's standards, right?

[onthewall2983]

A lot of you have probably heard about the Bryan Singer controversy that's come up over the last few days. Here's some good news for once about a director's sex allegations.


HONOLULU (AP) — Credit card receipts, telephone records and production schedules show that "X-Men" franchise director Bryan Singer was not in Hawaii when a lawsuit claims he sexually abused a 17-year-old on the islands, a defense attorney said Friday.

Singer was mainly in Toronto working on the first "X-Men" movie from August through October 1999, defense attorney Marty Singer told The Associated Press.


A lawsuit filed by a former child model, Michael Egan III, says Bryan Singer abused him several times over those three months as well as earlier in California as part of a Hollywood sex ring led by another man convicted of luring minors across state lines for sex.


"This was Bryan's first studio film," Marty Singer said. "Clearly, he's not going to take a break in the middle of this movie while you're shooting and prepping it to go to Hawaii."


Egan's lawyer, Jeff Herman, did not immediately respond to phone calls seeking comment.

[icecream]

Because obituaries should always include things that the deceased did over 50 years ago that are wrong by today's standards, right?
No, because Breakfast at Tiffany's is considered a Hollywood classic. It's weird they would leave it off, but they did because of his stupid character.

[Frozen Beach]

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/culture/Alien_creator_H.R._Giger_is_dead.html?cid=38569780
Coming back from an enjoyable beach trip only to find out one of your favorite artists is dead fucking sucks. By far, his artwork has been the most captivating I've ever seen.

[playwithfire]

By far, his artwork has been the most captivating I've ever seen.

You should check out Zdzislaw Beksinski.

[Frozen Beach]

You should check out Zdzislaw Beksinski.
Trust me, I have.

[theruiner]

Holy crap. Tracy Morgan is in critical condition after a car accident. (http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/07/showbiz/tracy-morgan-hospitalized/index.html)

[WorzelG]

Fucking hell - Rik Mayall has died. Absolute British comic genius. We're going to watch the Comic Strip: Mr Jolly Lives Next Door (co-starring Peter Cook) as a tribute tonight. And maybe a few episodes of Bottom

http://news.sky.com/story/1278803/rik-mayall-comedian-and-actor-dies-aged-56

[miss k bee]

Fucking hell - Rik Mayall has died. Absolute British comic genius. We're going to watch the Comic Strip: Mr Jolly Lives Next Door (co-starring Peter Cook) as a tribute tonight. And maybe a few episodes of Bottom

http://news.sky.com/story/1278803/rik-mayall-comedian-and-actor-dies-aged-56

That is really a shock. Loved Comic Strip and Bottom. RIP

[Fixer808]

Fucking hell - Rik Mayall has died. Absolute British comic genius. We're going to watch the Comic Strip: Mr Jolly Lives Next Door (co-starring Peter Cook) as a tribute tonight. And maybe a few episodes of Bottom

http://news.sky.com/story/1278803/rik-mayall-comedian-and-actor-dies-aged-56
We'll miss you, Lord Flashheart...

[thevoid99]

I only know Mayall for Drop Dead Fred. It's a silly film but he was hilarious. I'll miss that guy.

[Fixer808]

I only know Mayall for Drop Dead Fred.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKfbSHW9uGA

[miss k bee]

Best tribute quote ever


Actor and long-time friend Adrian Edmondson said of Rik Mayall: "There were times when Rik and I were writing together when we almost died laughing. They were some of the most carefree stupid days I ever had, and I feel privileged to have shared them with him.

"And now he's died for real. Without me. Selfish b*****d."


https://twitter.com/rikmayall

[simonn]

Fucking hell - Rik Mayall has died. Absolute British comic genius. We're going to watch the Comic Strip: Mr Jolly Lives Next Door (co-starring Peter Cook) as a tribute tonight. And maybe a few episodes of Bottom

http://news.sky.com/story/1278803/rik-mayall-comedian-and-actor-dies-aged-56

Was absolutely gobsmacked by this. Managed to see him live 3 times in his career - two Bottoms, and a rare stand up tour (per Bottom). Possibly my favourite work of his was a one off epsiode in Rik Mayall Presents - Dancing Queen, where he plays a toff about to get married, who gets stranded in Scarborough, 100's of miles from the wedding venue on the day of his wedding, and ends up being looked after by Helena Bonham Carter (his stripper at the previous nights stag do). Beautiful piece of work, which I only rewatched about a month ago. Will be sorely missed.

[Frozen Beach]

Ryuichi Sakamoto has throat cancer
http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2014/07/10/ryuichi-sakamoto-diagnosed-with-throat-cancer/

[ziltoid]

Tim Alexander has suffered a heart attack and will undergo open heart-surgery in a couple of days.
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/primus-and-puscifer-drummer-tim-alexander-suffers-heart-attack/

I hope everything goes well.

[leo3375]

Remember when I said in the Dead Souls thread that the battle for Casey Kasem's estate had only begun with his death? Well, I hate being right.

Casey Kasem's body is missing from the funeral home (http://www.people.com/article/casey-kasem-body-missing-cremation)

The theory is that his wife removed it before the order to the funeral home to keep it for autopsy could be delivered. Even more bizarre, his wife can't be located.

[slave2thewage]

She would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids.

[Baphomette]

She would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids.
OMG I JUST watched that Nancy Drew/Hardy Boys episode last night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140606174210-03-kasem-0606-horizontal-gallery.jpg

[LouLou]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2699719/Daniel-Radcliffe-drinks-acclaim-mingles-fans-final-night-Broadway-show.html

What a lad - this guy just gets better and better

[onthewall2983]

Nice shirt.

[NotoriousTIMP]

*EDIT* Nevermind, I didn't see the dead souls thread....

[Piko]

RIP Robin Williams...

[Space Suicide]

RIP Robin Williams...

Shocked me big time! I know he has been having some hard times but I didn't think they were that bad. Lots of people, including my best friend, talk shit about his comedy and acting roles but I enjoy a great majority of them. I'm really, really surprised and not in a good way. This is the first time a celebrity's death has actually made me feel bad, legit.

[Piko]

There's very few celebrities that would effect me. Robin was one of them. He's easily one of the funniest, most entertaining people, ever. A huge loss to everyone. I grew up watching his movies. A huge part of my upbringing. He was one of the elite with guys like Jerry Lewis. There will never be another one like him.

[Maximilian]

Yeah, this whole Robin Williams thing just bothers me, I'm usually indifferent when a celebrity dies. Really the whole concept of suicide I will never, ever understand, except in the cases of painful terminal illnesses.

That's just me though, I get depressed but never that badly.

[botley]

Depressive episodes are ridiculously painful and sadly an inescapable part of the illness he suffered from; in this case, apparently it was terminal. I wish the best for his family in this dark time. So many people loved him and he touched so many of us with his work. It's a tremendous loss. I saw him working in person once, around the time this photo was taken (not at E3 but on the set of Death to Smoochy). Incredible guy, everything you'd hope for and more.

http://www.theninhotline.net/meatpers/img/e3.jpg

[allegro]

There is a separate thread for this, called "Dead Souls."

[Deepvoid]

There has been a massive security breach with iCloud.
Dozens of celebrities have been hacked and nude photos Jennifer Lawrence, Kate Upton, Ariana Grande are spreading like wildfires.
Videos have also been obtained by the hacker but not yet leaked.
Apple has not issued a statement yet.

Lawrence's publicist has confirmed the authenticity of the pictures.

[thevoid99]

There as been a massive security breach with iCloud.
Dozens of celebrities have been hacked and nude photos Jennifer Lawrence, Kate Upton, Ariana Grande are spreading like wildfires.
Videos have also been obtained by the hacked but not yet leaked.
Apple has not issued a statement yet.

Lawrence's publicist has confirmed the authenticity of the pictures.

I heard about and it's a good thing I downloaded those pics. The Jennifer Lawrence and Kate Upton pics are great yet I was more surprised by Mary Elizabeth Winstead and Brie Larson. Wow.... And I heard there is more to come.

[Space Suicide]

You know, I have sympathy and I don't. The Hacker(s) unlawfully invaded privacy and obtained these files and it isn't right. HOWEVER, you took the nude photos (often unwarranted) so you run a risk of others seeing them in some shape or form. You did what you did, you have to accept that they might get in others' hands.

[slave2thewage]

But where are the dick pics?

*prays for Zachary Quinto*

[Corvus T. Cosmonaut]

You know, I have sympathy and I don't. The Hacker(s) unlawfully invaded privacy and obtained these files and it isn't right. HOWEVER, you took the nude photos (often unwarranted) so you run a risk of others seeing them in some shape or form. You did what you did, you have to accept that they might get in others' hands.
Ah yes, the old "well she DID go out in a *short* skirt" defense.

[allegro]

Ah yes, the old "well she DID go out in a *short* skirt" defense.
Yup, this thread is making me barf. You guys are pigs.

[DigitalChaos]

The fact that TMZ called the cops on this person should tell you something.
For anyone curious who the hacker claims to have photos of: http://i.imgur.com/oJhRDOe.png

[xmd 5a]

Pretty much how i feel: http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/this-is-why-you-shouldnt-click-on-the-naked-photos-of-jennifer-lawrence-20140901-3eo6s.html

[DigitalChaos]

I'm more curious how it happened. Too many things don't add up for it to be "an iCloud hack" the way every site is covering this. Lots of nonApple phones used, people claiming they deleted these pics years ago, etc.

I'm thinking this wasn't a one time event. It's a collection from many hacks over the years. I'm curious if someone was fucking with wifi or bluetooth hijacking at the oscars or something.

[thelastdisciple]

Ah yes, the old "well she DID go out in a *short* skirt" defense.
Yes and no, what i mean is I'm not trying to justify anything.. this is disgusting and basically rape-lite but i think there's something a little different where the biggest mistake if I'm understanding the incident correctly from these people was not quite the creation of the photos for personal and consensual use that's nothing that should warrant any blame or excuse but the posting of the photos on the internet, i think that's where you'd have more common sense......you're promised all the security in the world but you should still know better that there unfortunately is no privacy on the Internet.... ever. Tenfold when you're a celebrity.

It's like choosing to knowingly walk outside naked and expect that nobody is going to see you, that is a completely unrealistic expectation.

I'm sure all it would take is a techie that works at DropBox or iCloud, really any of these broadband networks to cross a line.. How do people seriously put so much trust in to this stuff?

The moment you put ANY personal information in front of a corporation, hell even if it's a damn bank.., your credit cards, i don't care what it is.... you completely run that risk of opening yourself to intruders and that risk is huge. I wish people were more wise with the things they divulge.

[DigitalChaos]

I wish it were another NSA leak. This kind of leak would finally prompt some real changes. I know it's almost certainly not but, I can hope, right?

[Deepvoid]

Ah yes, the old "well she DID go out in a *short* skirt" defense.

I absolutely agree that this is not a legit excuse but still. These are celebrities and they know they have a constant target on their back.
If you want to film yourself getting a cumshot on your face, do it with a Gopro and put it on a local drive or something.
Do not film this shit with your iPhone and do not store this on iCould.
You know this could permanently damage your career so why even take the risk.

I truly feel sad for Lawrence and others. She legitimately looks like a sweet girl and it's unfortunate that her private life has been exposed that way.

[thelastdisciple]

I wish it were another NSA leak.
I wouldn't put it past them. We know what they're capable of, all it takes is some perversion.

Not to cook up some kind of conspiracy theory or anything though....

<.<

>.>

[DigitalChaos]

aaaaaand done.
imgur.com/JvmAXI5.png

4chan eats their own again. It's kind of amazing that someone can be this careless when doing something like this. I'm guessing this was the guy who leaked it all but wasn't the one who actually stole everything.

[Deepvoid]

This guy is saying he didn't do it. Lawyering up.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/charliewarzel/bryan-hamade-blamed-by-redditors-for-jennifer-lawrence-leak

[DigitalChaos]

yup
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2739891/Hacked-nude-celebrity-photos-internet-black-market-WEEK-come.html

[allegro]

yup
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2739891/Hacked-nude-celebrity-photos-internet-black-market-WEEK-come.html
You know, here's the thing I don't get about this: About a month ago, my phone suddenly started reporting that it couldn't retrieve my iCloud email. I checked, and this was consistent on all of my devices (2 iPads, iMac, etc.). Sure enough, I was locked out of my iCloud account. I called Apple, and the Apple tech dude asked me some security questions that I probably answered about 10 years ago. I failed to answer 2 of the 3 EXACTLY (what was the first album I bought, what was the first concert I attended, what was my first car) so then he asked me my credit card number. I actually had that correct. He still would not let me into my account, I had to wait 72 full hours to access my own account (I only got this because I had the credit card number, otherwise I wouldn't get in at all), and he would not change the password to my account. Which means, if I had been hacked somebody else had access to my account and I could not stop them. So he says "well, did you get an email warning?" I said, dude, I can't access my email. He didn't understand this. I immediately went into every account I had that used that iCloud email address, changed it to another Gmail account that has, like, 3 levels of security, I set up a random password generator and changed my passwords on everything, etc. When I finally got access to my iCloud account, it looked fine, and I still don't know what happened (the 2nd Apple tech dude I called suggested that maybe GMAIL caused it, wtf, eye roll). But, knowing Apple's "72 hour lockdown policy" the iCloud hack seems like maybe there was something else going on in addition to this. They're saying a Python script for Find My iPhone but it seems to be worse. They're finding DELETED photos?

I think DigitalChaos hit it on the head re bluetooth hijacking from a really long time ago, and they've been sitting on this shit for a while.

[DigitalChaos]

You know, here's the thing I don't get about this: About a month ago, my phone suddenly started reporting that it couldn't retrieve my iCloud email. I checked, and this was consistent on all of my devices (2 iPads, iMac, etc.). Sure enough, I was locked out of my iCloud account. I called Apple, and the Apple tech dude asked me some security questions that I probably answered about 10 years ago. I failed to answer 2 of the 3 EXACTLY (what was the first album I bought, what was the first concert I attended, what was my first car) so then he asked me my credit card number. I actually had that correct. He still would not let me into my account, I had to wait 72 full hours to access my own account, and he would not change the password to my account. Which means, if I had been hacked somebody else had access to my account and I could not stop them. So he says "well, did you get an email warning?" I said, dude, I can't access my email. He didn't understand this. I immediately went into every account I had that used that iCloud email address, changed it to another Gmail account that has, like, 3 levels of security, I set up a random password generator and changed my passwords on everything, etc. When I finally got access to my iCloud account, it looked fine, and I still don't know what happened (the 2nd Apple tech dude I called suggested that maybe GMAIL caused it, wtf, eye roll). But, knowing Apple's "72 hour lockdown policy" the iCloud hack seems like maybe there was something else going on in addition to this. They're saying a Python script for Find My iPhone but it seems to be worse. They're finding DELETED photos?

Not sure if I posted it here last night, but apple has allowed unlimited password attempts against their accounts. Once you know the email address, getting in is fairly easy. I think only a portion of the dump was iCloud sourced though.

Apple just fixed this today
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-fixes-security-flaw-in-find-my-iphone-software-2014-9

[allegro]

Not sure if I posted it here last night, but apple has allowed unlimited password attempts against their accounts. Once you know the email address, getting in is fairly easy. I think only a portion of the dump was iCloud sourced though.

Apple just fixed this today
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-fixes-security-flaw-in-find-my-iphone-software-2014-9
Now, the Apple guys I talked to said they locked down my account after a certain number of attempts, that's why it was locked down. They said it could have been that one of my email apps on one of my devices had a bad password and that can cause it, or it can be an attempted hack, but either way it causes lockdown. This is the message you see.

http://cdn1.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2014/09/Screen-Shot-2014-09-01-at-10.15.29-pm.png

edit: oh, okay, this wasn't iCloud, it was Find My iPhone: http://thenextweb.com/apple/2014/09/01/this-could-be-the-apple-icloud-flaw-that-led-to-celebrity-photos-being-leaked/

[DigitalChaos]

^its all tied to AppleID.

Apple must be shutting themselves being that they are unveiling a new iPhone in a week.

[allegro]

^its all tied to AppleID.
Yes, that's the biggest fucking problem with Apple ... *everything* is tied to AppleID; iTunes, iCloud, email, FindMyiPhone, the whole fucking 9 yards. Hence why I moved everything out of AppleID; that "what was your first album?" security level is stupid. I did read articles about not answering anything honestly, though, so I never give honest answers to anything anymore, and never give my birthday. The problem is remembering which date I gave them LOL. Which increased my AppleID security problem (they don't have my real birthday). But this "Brute Force" script thing is a different story.

[DigitalChaos]

Get yourself a password manager. I never "forget" my password and I can document any of those stupid security questions if I ever need to remember them. I like 1Password.

The only thing that sucks is when you don't have 1pass and need to log into something (rare). It won't protect you from this level if security failure by companies though. :(

[allegro]

Get yourself a password manager. I never "forget" my password and I can document any of those stupid security questions if I ever need to remember them. I like 1Password.
Yeah, my new phone came with an account for "Keeper" so I've been using that. And I use the same stupid answer for the security questions. I'm not too happy with Keeper, though, because it charges you once for backup but then keeps trying to charge you on all your devices to back up and I keep telling it to fuck off. edit: okay, I went and changed the security questions and saved them in Keeper. Not that it would've helped from this level of shit. Bad bad Apple back door bullshit.

[DigitalChaos]

This isn't proof, but I'm willing to say this is very likely what happened here. Everyone is used to there being a single event with "leaks" but this one really doesn't seem that way.


http://i.imgur.com/UX6UIbA.jpg

[Space Suicide]

After looking over and reading everything,

Anyone who finds "fun" and excitement out of wasting everyone's time, patience and privacy to hack and steal nude photos of whoever for sleazy money they won't even really get legit then I guess...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j1xzezy8k4

[DigitalChaos]

After looking over and reading everything,

Anyone who finds "fun" and excitement out of wasting everyone's time, patience and privacy to hack and steal nude photos of whoever for sleazy money they won't even really get legit then I guess...


for money? Money didn't really come into it until it all started to fall apart (if this story is true). It's a bunch of people who were all trading stolen shit with each other. As for the big mystery of WHO would do something like this... uh... have you ever been around an adolescent male? Before the internet, there was the common "boys will be boys" line concerning how desperate they were to see some skin. Be it stealing porn or hiding somewhere private to catch a peek. Now, we have the internet and people really don't understand some basic security. It makes getting your hands on private data much easier and the risk of getting caught during the act much harder.

I'm in no way excusing this shit, but I just don't see it as OMG SO SHOCKING.


I'd love for Apple to take quite a hit on this and for it to prompt companies to elevate their security practices. I'd love for individuals to advance their understanding of security a bit... even if it is just "don't put anything on internet attached devices that you aren't ok making public"

[Space Suicide]

for money? Money didn't really come into it until it all started to fall apart (if this story is true). It's a bunch of people who were all trading stolen shit with each other. As for the big mystery of WHO would do something like this... uh... have you ever been around an adolescent male? Before the internet, there was the common "boys will be boys" line concerning how desperate they were to see some skin. Be it stealing porn or hiding somewhere private to catch a peek. Now, we have the internet and people really don't understand some basic security. It makes getting your hands on private data much easier and the risk of getting caught during the act much harder.

I'm in no way excusing this shit, but I just don't see it as OMG SO SHOCKING.


I'd love for Apple to take quite a hit on this and for it to prompt companies to elevate their security practices. I'd love for individuals to advance their understanding of security a bit... even if it is just "don't put anything on internet attached devices that you aren't ok making public"

The fact that money even came into this at all is hilarious bullshit, that's why it's "shocking" to me.

My initial post here hasn't changed my opinions, facepalms given and all, about having sympathy and not having sympathy for the ones effected. However, the fact idiots are going to these levels and extremes is just so out there and laughably pathetic for what they do in their real lives that this online "makes up for it" or some shit. I'm sure this gives purpose or enjoyment to some but they're just photos and nothing fantastic to covet and swap like fucking trading cards. ("I'll trade you a folder of my Mary Elizabeth Winstead for your files of Vanessa Hudgens!")

[DigitalChaos]

Ah, well the money thing was likely the death throws of this "ring." When we have TMZ's in this world, money will always come into situations like this. I'm actually surprised it took this long. That actually really speaks toward the true motivation (perving the fuck out). It would be unlikely for money to come into it before then unless you were a rich kid without any skills... they usually get laughed at and attacked though.

As for people who waste their time, the desire to get into shit you shouldn't be in is a part of bored youth. I've watched kids deface government websites in the late 1990's just because. Another common thing was porn/warez trading bots on IRC that operated very similar to this proposed circle (you first contribute, then you get credits to take some data). Some people also never grow out of it. The guy who got 10 years for doing this to Scarlett Johansen was fucking 35!

I don't know. Maybe I've just been too close to this kind of crap all these years. I know how common it is and it's why I am more careful with my stuff. I feel really bad for the people who don't know any better and learn the lesson the hard way.

[Dra508]

But where are the dick pics?

*prays for Zachary Quinto*

I have to believe there are just as many of those pics out there. Why haven't they been hacked? Hmmm?

[DigitalChaos]

I have to believe there are just as many of those pics out there. Why haven't they been hacked? Hmmm?

rofl
I want to see some serious replies to this.


Also, I'm seeing quite a few in various feminism camps trying to label this situation as a sex crime. I really can't see that one... Am I missing something? Like, maaaybe but I'd need to hear a pretty solid legal justification.


I think the guy who did the Scarlett Johansen hack received an appropriate punishment.

[allegro]

Ah, well the money thing was likely the death throws of this "ring." When we have TMZ's in this world, money will always come into situations like this. I'm actually surprised it took this long. That actually really speaks toward the true motivation (perving the fuck out). It would be unlikely for money to come into it before then unless you were a rich kid without any skills... they usually get laughed at and attacked though.

As for people who waste their time, the desire to get into shit you shouldn't be in is a part of bored youth. I've watched kids deface government websites in the late 1990's just because. Another common thing was porn/warez trading bots on IRC that operated very similar to this proposed circle (you first contribute, then you get credits to take some data). Some people also never grow out of it. The guy who got 10 years for doing this to Scarlett Johansen was fucking 35!

I don't know. Maybe I've just been too close to this kind of crap all these years. I know how common it is and it's why I am more careful with my stuff. I feel really bad for the people who don't know any better and learn the lesson the hard way.
We both remember those old days when many good UNIX hackers insisted they did it to point out glaring security holes, although they usually left a calling card showing they'd been there, not something violating and abusive to these females like this. While this does seem like an embarrassment to Apple, this is particularly abusive and malicious to these females, not the harmless hacking from my old days.

Also, see this: http://m.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/09/leaked-photos-nude-celebrities-abuse/379434/



If Jennifer Lawrence was to pose naked on the cover of Playboy, for example, I’m sure it would be a best-selling issue. But it wouldn’t have the same scandalous, viral appeal as private images stolen from her phone. Because if she shared nude images consensually, then people wouldn’t get to revel in her humiliation. And that’s really the point, isn’t it? To take a female celebrity down a notch? (We have a term for when this is done to non-celebrity women: “revenge porn.”)

There is an obsessive tendency in American culture with elevating women—young, beautiful women, especially—to celebrity status just to bask in their eventual fall. There’s also a tendency in American culture, meanwhile, to shame women for their sexuality. So I would not be surprised in the days ahead to see arguments as to why this is somehow the fault of the celebrities whose phones were hacked—that these women took the pictures, that they were posing, that generating publicity is part of their job.

But victim-blaming is just that, no matter how famous the victim is. We live in a culture with a peculiar relationship to female celebrity. In much the same way that misogyny tells men that women are there for male consumption, the public and media tell us that famous women are public property. It’s why models and pageant queens are expected to smile graciously and respond to horny teen boys asking them to prom, or why they’re called uptight bitches if they don’t smile for every camera shoved in their face. The underlying premise is that these women have consented to being there for public entertainment—whether they like it or not.

The fact that photos have been shared already is beside the point and a weak justification for violating someone’s privacy and sense of safety. Even if we’re not the people who stole the pictures, and even if we’re not publishing them on blogs or tweeting them out, looking at naked photos of someone who doesn’t want us to goes beyond voyeurism; it’s abuse.

[Frozen Beach]

This whole leaked nudes thing isn't new. It happens all the time to people who aren't celebrities. Hell, there are even threads on 4chan where people try to ruin people's lives by threatening to show them to their love ones. It's absolutely disgusting. Sad thing is, "private" things posted on the internet will never be private because there's always some scumbag out there willing to spend their time trying to retrieve them. Not trying to victim blame, but seriously, don't post your nudes on the internet. Seriously. It will bite you in the ass.

[allegro]

Dude, revenge porn was already mentioned up there and those victims do not post that. Some of the victims don't even know they're being photographed. You're still victim-blaming. The ones whose asses should be bitten are the pig boyfriends who post this shit and the pigs who look at it. (Revenge porn is a felony in 9 states and is about to be a felony in Illinois. 6 more states are currently passing similar criminal legislation, and it's expected to grow.) edit: highlighted so aggroculture can see it ;)

[allegro]

New Yorker article: http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/jennifer-lawrence-leak?utm_source=tny&utm_campaign=generalsocial&utm_medium=facebook&mbid=social_facebook


The larger security problem, it seems, comes from a general misunderstanding about how a smartphone differs from, say, a large online forum. Most discreet people know not to upload nude photos onto the Internet but are unaware that a photograph shared privately, through a text message or e-mail, is hardly private at all.

“Storing data on a phone carries an inherent risk,” Felten wrote. “The complexity of the software on our phones, and the network and cloud infrastructure to which they connect, makes it difficult to identify, let alone secure, all of the points of vulnerability. It’s prudent to assume that anything on your phone is potentially at risk.”

Over the past few years, smartphone and app companies have gone to great pains to make our devices feel safe and private. The amount of personal information stored on smartphones, and, by extension, the cloud, is in odd contrast to the vague, general anxiety that arises whenever photographs leak. For most people, it seems that convenience and ubiquity ultimately win out. “We use our smartphones almost like they are part of our brains,” Green said. “I don’t think people realize how much of themselves they’re giving to Apple, and potentially to hackers.”

[Frozen Beach]

I'm not talking about revenge porn. I'm talking about people hacking into people's shit that they don't know and using it to blackmail them.

And I'm victim blaming? I'm blaming the internet, and you're skewing my meaning. The internet is severely flawed, especially now, and what I'm saying is that it is a really bad time to post anything that might come to bite you in the ass, whether it be nudity or something as simple as a flawed opinion. People are more than ever wanting to play hacker, and at this point, I think it's too late to stop it without ruining the internet.

[allegro]

I'm not talking about revenge porn. I'm talking about people hacking into people's shit that they don't know and using it to blackmail them.

And I'm victim blaming? I'm blaming the internet, and you're skewing my meaning. The internet is severely flawed, especially now, and what I'm saying is that it is a really bad time to post anything that might come to bite you in the ass, whether it be nudity or something as simple as a flawed opinion. People are more than ever wanting to play hacker, and at this point, I think it's too late to stop it without ruining the internet.

These celebs didn't "post" anything. This shit was on their iPhones.

I think everybody groks the "be careful" stuff, especially unsecure wifi and logging into your bank accounts, etc. But that doesn't take these assholes off the hook.

[Frozen Beach]

These celebs didn't "post" anything. This shit was on their iPhones.
I mean post in a generic term, not as in like on a forum.

and I read that the leaks came from icloud which their phones save info to, not hacked from the phones themselves.

[allegro]

I mean post in a generic term, not as in like on a forum.

and I read that the leaks came from icloud which their phones save info to, not hacked from the phones themselves.
The data came from the iPhone. The iPhone was automatically saving to iCloud, assumedly. The hackers got into FindMyiPhone, which then got them access to the AppleID.

[Frozen Beach]

I think everybody groks the "be careful" stuff, especially unsecure wifi and logging into your bank accounts, etc. But that doesn't take these assholes off the hook.
I honestly don't see enough people talking about internet dangers until it's too late (well, at least where I live). This type of stuff should be talked about in school it's getting so bad. I mean, this type of situation also isn't the only fucked up thing going on here recently. The whole swatting thing on twitch.tv is scary as hell too. Someone could seriously die from that.


The data came from the iPhone. The iPhone was automatically saving to iCloud, assumedly. The hackers got into FindMyiPhone, which then got them access to the AppleID.
thank you for clearing that up

[allegro]

I honestly don't see enough people talking about internet dangers until it's too late (well, at least where I live). This type of stuff should be talked about in school it's getting so bad. I mean, this type of situation also isn't the only fucked up thing going on here recently. The whole swatting thing on twitch.tv is scary as hell too. Someone could seriously die from that.
I dunno, maybe somebody should start a thread about that.

[Dra508]

rofl
I want to see some serious replies to this.


Also, I'm seeing quite a few in various feminism camps trying to label this situation as a sex crime. I really can't see that one... Am I missing something? Like, maaaybe but I'd need to hear a pretty solid legal justification.


I think the guy who did the Scarlett Johansen hack received an appropriate punishment.

If we took the internet out of the story and it was just stolen photos from a thumb drive, would we be having the conversation that they should have known?

[DigitalChaos]

If we took the internet out of the story and it was just stolen photos from a thumb drive, would we be having the conversation that they should have known?

Not sure why you are quoting my post about sex crimes to discuss the "they should have known" bit. I never said that about the victims.

Your stolen thumb drive idea needs work though. It's more like someone stealing a thumb drive that was hanging out in a PO box style room where everyone comes to get their drives. All those boxes are clearly labeled with the owner's name. Then the thief figured out that you can open any box by shoving a pen in the lock.

[DigitalChaos]

We both remember those old days when many good UNIX hackers insisted they did it to point out glaring security holes, although they usually left a calling card showing they'd been there, not something violating and abusive to these females like this. While this does seem like an embarrassment to Apple, this is particularly abusive and malicious to these females, not the harmless hacking from my old days.

Also, see this: http://m.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/09/leaked-photos-nude-celebrities-abuse/379434/

A lot of that changed the moment images became part of the Internet though. I think you also have to consider that a lot of this doesn't fall into the revenge porn style. Some is more in the voyeuristic style. Simply seeing something you shouldn't. This should be even more evident in the act of keeping the images secret for a while (assuming that's true).

Another interesting aspect is the people who were resharing the images. Quite a few were excluding certain images they deemed "too much."

[Sarah K]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2014/09/01/jennifer-lawrence-nude-photo-leak-isnt-a-scandal-its-a-sex-crime/

Forbes piece that likens it to a sex crime.

[aggroculture]

I agree, it's like pulling someone's clothes off in public.

[aggroculture]

The tide has turned against revenge porn, it is now a crime in many places.
Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge_porn
and this is a good piece about isanyoneup: http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/charlotte-laws-hunter-moore-erin-brockovich-revenge-porn

[allegro]

The tide has turned against revenge porn, it is now a crime in many places.
yes exactly (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/286-Random-Celebrity-Headlines?p=211490#post211490): A FELONY.

see also this (http://rt.com/usa/156264-arizona-revenge-porn-felony/).

also, this is one of the reasons why I quit supporting the ACLU.

[DigitalChaos]

Ok, but then that would be very separate from the actual break in and theft. It would be the act of releasing the data to the public. In this case, that very well may have been a separate group of individuals.

edit: I guess you could get into some gray area concerning the "trading" in a small group. All of this is under the hypothetical "trading group" hypothesis, of course.

@allegro (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76) - ACLU was only against the extremely broad language of the bills. They aren't against the basic intent of the bills. Did I miss something?

[allegro]

@allegro (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76) - ACLU was only against the extremely broad language of the bills. They aren't against the basic intent of the bills. Did I miss something?
Ugh, don't get me started. I ain't derailing this thread with the ACLU male pigs who just didn't get it and wanted victims to settle these matters with civil suits. WHICH DIDN'T WORK FOR THESE WOMEN.

[DigitalChaos]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2014/09/01/jennifer-lawrence-nude-photo-leak-isnt-a-scandal-its-a-sex-crime/

Forbes piece that likens it to a sex crime.
I get what they are saying, but the focus on ONLY females is a bit obnoxious. There were plenty of men in the pictures. There were plenty of men's accounts/phones who were broken into. They are doing a disservice to their message by ignoring this aspect. It's an issue that impacts all people. Women are people too. There are a lot of individuals who create societal problems because they forget this.

</tangent>

[DigitalChaos]

Ugh, don't get me started. I ain't derailing this thread with the ACLU male pigs who just didn't get it and wanted victims to settle these matters with civil suits. WHICH DIDN'T WORK FOR THESE WOMEN.
All good! That's sufficient enough for me to do some additional research. I feel fairly obligated to keep informed on all aspects of organizations I give money to. I had only been aware of their objections such as what is detailed here: http://www.acluct.org/updates/revenge-porn-bill-needs-changes/ Those are very agreeable objections.


Looping back toward the original topic. This link also contains an interesting bit:

"The bill would violate the principle, which has been consistently upheld in court, that third parties are protected from penalties for disseminating information if they got the information without engaging in any illegal actions themselves, Staub wrote. “To impose criminal penalties on uninvolved third parties sharing legally obtained images in this manner violates the core principles of freedom of speech and of the press.”"

I'm not sure how absolute this is, but I think that could create issues with the idea that a separate group of people could be responsible for the "sex crime" portion of disseminating the images to the public. The sex crime portion would have to be the act of the thief transferring the data to ANY other person... even if it is just one.

[DigitalChaos]

I agree, it's like pulling someone's clothes off in public.
Is there any difference between doing this not in public?

It's much more like putting a hidden camera in someone's bedroom/bathroom. Every court case I can find about charges the person with invasion of privacy, not a sex crime.

There are some interesting per-state laws surrounding this type of thing. Some do hook into sex crimes. I think the answer lies inside a lot of the criminal voyeurism statutes that exist, specifically ones connected to sexual purpose and transmission.

[allegro]

Is there any difference between doing this not in public?

It's much more like putting a hidden camera in someone's bedroom/bathroom. Every court case I can find about charges the person with invasion of privacy, not a sex crime.

There are some interesting per-state laws surrounding this type of thing. Some do hook into sex crimes. I think the answer lies inside a lot of the criminal voyeurism statutes that exist, specifically ones connected to sexual purpose and transmission.
In the case of revenge porn, in many states it's actually seen as a domestic violence crime and is included in Orders of Protection language. It's now considered a form of criminal domestic abuse. So I guess if you carried the "violation of your person" status over to strangers, the people who are victims of something like that just happened the other day see it as a kind of visual gang-rape by strangers because of the sexual nature. Since the term "rape" is not really used in legal terms, anymore, and has been replaced by "sexual assault," then ... it would be maybe be a visual sexual assault. Look at it this way: child porn is seen as a sex crime even though many/most of the people viewing it and distributing it did not actually have any physical contact with the child. This is because of obvious reasons relating to criminal deviant sexual and child predatory behavior. Those found guilty must register as 'sex offenders' even if they technically never had sex, and of course this all makes sense. If the public at large begins viewing adult revenge porn, or even the theft we saw the other day, as deviant criminal sexual behavior, then the legal response will be to treat it with punishment in the same manor in order to protect our society from a growing number of victims and to prosecute it in a punitive enough way to attempt to thwart it while also not ridiculously impeding people's rights.

HEY SPEAKING OF THAT, I STUMBLED INTO SOME NEWS YESTERDAY THAT WAS PRETTY NEWSWORTHY AND I'M GONNA POST IT OVER IN THE OTHER NON-CELEB NEWS THREAD (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/255-Random-General-Headlines?p=211624#post211624)!!

[Deepvoid]

Apple washes its hands. Tell celebrities to get better passwords. (https://twitter.com/passantino/status/506873015028572160/photo/1)

[DigitalChaos]

Apple washes its hands. Tell celebrities to get better passwords. (https://twitter.com/passantino/status/506873015028572160/photo/1)
ugh
#1 - Their 2 factor auth is REALLY fucking bad, so fuck Apple for even suggesting that as a fix
#2 - Yes, that really points toward the icloud dumps happening via unlimited password attempt brute forcing AFTER identifying someone's email. (Fuck apple for even rolling something like that out)
#3 - Sure, a strong password definitely would have helped prevent this specific attack. Security is the responsibility of both the user and whoever runs the services. Trying to pin the situation entirely on that is bullshit.

[thevoid99]

In all honesty as much as I feel sorry for the fact that their privacy was invaded, I don't really have much sympathy considering that they were stupid enough to put these pictures on the phone. It just goes to show what the world is coming to. Technology is running things and it's making us feel dumber than we already are. All these things like selfies and all that crap are idiotic. I'm so glad I don't own a cellphone.

[DigitalChaos]

It took me a bit to dig up a credible article, but this proves that 2FA wouldn't have done shit for this leak because you can get to photostreams using only the password.

http://www.tuaw.com/2014/09/02/think-iclouds-two-factor-authentication-protects-your-privacy/

This really only touches the surface of how bad Apple's 2FA. They only apply it to portions of their services (mostly things that touch your credit card). Last I checked, they didn't even have it rolled out globally. They have it so awkwardly setup that you can lose your entire account because of how they automatically remove devices without prompting you. You can get new devices hooked into various portions of your account without ever hitting a 2FA challenge (like in the article).

I really hope the security community beats Apple up on this one. I'm off to get the ball rolling on that where I can. *so fucking pissed*

[Dra508]

Not sure why you are quoting my post about sex crimes to discuss the "they should have known" bit. I never said that about the victims.

Your stolen thumb drive idea needs work though. It's more like someone stealing a thumb drive that was hanging out in a PO box style room where everyone comes to get their drives. All those boxes are clearly labeled with the owner's name. Then the thief figured out that you can open any box by shoving a pen in the lock.

Whatever dude.

[Deepvoid]

McKayla Maroney was also hacked and nude pics have leaked.
She took twitter and said the pics were fake.
She then changed her story and is now saying she was underage when she took those nudes and will sue porn websites publishing the photos.
Didn't she just incriminate herself of producing child pornography?

[DigitalChaos]

I'd be curious to hear answers to that. I actually suspect it is another lie to try and save face. Some of the celebs have been doing the "they are fake" thing.
That said, there are some proven fakes in there. That is another strong indicator that this is from a trading ring. Those who want in that don't have original content will spend their time fabricating images. I just can't think of any other reason for fakes to be in this sudden release.

[DigitalChaos]

Also, Apple apologists are some of the most infuriatingly dense people I have ever interfaced with.

[Your Name Here]

I am a huge apple fan, and I know this is a bit off topic but in some ways relates to the photo scandal. Ever since Steve Jobs passing, Apple products seem to be in decline. Obviously this iCloud shit is not only confusing and infuriating, but iTunes fucking sucks I have boycott buying anything from iTunes because their quality control is shit, and their customer service for iTunes is shit. I went back to buying CDs they are cheaper and less annoying then dealing with iTunes.
Apple products seem to be in decline they use to be the trailblazers, now the rumor is that they are going to make a larger iPhone like the Samson Galaxy. Hey Apple I don't need a bigger iPhone but what would be nice is if you could make an iPhone where the fucking battery wouldn't die after one ten minute phone call and three texts.
the iCloud photo scandal doesn't surprise me and the fact that Apple doesn't seem to want to take responsibility for it doesn't shock me, either.

[allegro]

I was a huge Jobs fan, since the 1st Mac in the 80s, and feel the same way. I jumped ship to the Samsung Galaxy S5 about a month ago. Although I still love my iPads and iMac, I'm afraid that Apple just won't stay afloat without its Captain. Jobs would find this current event completely unacceptable.

[DigitalChaos]

I've been a big apple fan for the last ~7 years. I jumped on the first iPhone and have had every yearly model since then. I got a macbook pro right around the same time because they finally switched to intel chips. I quickly fell in love. But yes... things got shitty as Jobs started to close things up at Apple. 10.9 (Mavericks) has been such a shitty experience. The iTunes Match service was awesome but seems to have fallen into a state of having zero maintenance. It will take HOURS to match a new song. Whey the fuck am I paying for that!? I don't have anything too horrible to say about the iPhone environment, but I have been seriously thinking about picking up an android for my next phone (which will be purchased by Oct).

I think Apple will make it's future obvious when their "next big thing" comes out without Jobs. They haven't released any of these yet, and this has always been what makes Apple the magical company that they are (ipod, macbook, iphone, ipad, appleTV, etc). It will either be awesome, or a sad failure.


I will say that Apple's security has always been pretty horrible and their services haven't been demonstrations of excellence. They only recently rolled out some basic security into their primary OS that Windows has had for ages (for example). They have slowly improved this over the years and are at their best right now. There is still room for a LOT of improvement though.

[DigitalChaos]

If all else fails, they could unveil a physics defying free energy machine by attaching magnets to Steve Jobs's body and surrounding him with coils.


rolling/spinning in his grave, yo!

[allegro]

If all else fails, they could unveil a physics defying free energy machine by attaching magnets to Steve Jobs's body and surrounding him with coils.


rolling/spinning in his grave, yo!

Since he was Buddhist, I'm pretty sure you mean urn. ;)

[DigitalChaos]

:)
Apple’s Two Factor Authentication Doesn’t Protect iCloud Backups Or Photo Streams
http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/02/apples-two-factor-authentication-doesnt-protect-icloud-backups-or-photo-streams/



And a bit that I didn't realize:
"Security researcher Vladimir Katalov (who works at Elcomsoft, imagine that) presented his findings on the iCloud protocol, including what portions of iCloud are protected by two-factor authentication, at the Hack In The Box security conference late last year — and posted about the issues as early as May of last year."

Classic Apple. The did jack shit about it. A very similar hole popped up in 2010 between Apple and AT&T by Weeve. He tried to disclose it to them, but was instead rewarded with a prosecution. Apple also has a HORRIBLE security model. There is no bug bounty program. Apple doesn't even respond to submissions when people provide them. This kind of security model encourages the kind of thing we are seeing this week.

[thelastdisciple]

Article on the software that was used to hack into iCloud.

http://www.wired.com/2014/09/eppb-icloud/

"What this demonstrates is that even without explicit backdoors, law enforcement has powerful tools that might not always stay inside law enforcement,” he says. “You have to ask if you trust law enforcement. But even if you do trust law enforcement, you have to ask whether other people will get access to these tools, and how they’ll use them.”

Exactly what I've been saying about the kind of shit that can happen.

Leave it to a law "enforcement" tool to eventually be used to break the law.

[DigitalChaos]

Article on the software that was used to hack into iCloud.

http://www.wired.com/2014/09/eppb-icloud/

"What this demonstrates is that even without explicit backdoors, law enforcement has powerful tools that might not always stay inside law enforcement,” he says. “You have to ask if you trust law enforcement. But even if you do trust law enforcement, you have to ask whether other people will get access to these tools, and how they’ll use them.”

Exactly what I've been saying about the kind of shit that can happen.

Leave it to a law "enforcement" tool to eventually be used to break the law.

the article mentions this, but just to reinforce: This isn't something Apple worked with law enforcement to build. These guys simply examined how Apple's shit works and built a tool to bypass their security. They even announced the crappy security a year ago (see my prior post). Apple didn't fix it. So, they built a tool. The primary market for a tool like this is going to be law enforcement. Script kiddies aren't exactly known to pay for their stuff, plus you'd have ethical issues selling a tool for nefarious purposes. There is also no reason someone else couldn't make a similar tool and release the source code. That's actually what happened with the iBrute password cracker for iCloud.

This is also the same type of thing the NSA does to get into a lot of your stuff. They also get some backdoor supplied by the companies too. I think the intentional backdoors are even worse. They will get utilized (which is what I think you were getting at in your post). I do worry that some of these unintentional holes are left in place for the NSA. It gives Apple some plausible deniability. There was heavy suspicion of this recently with the "double goto fail" bug that cause all Apple products to never validate the certificate on an SSL connection.

[DigitalChaos]

Apple fails to learn from last big hack in iCloud exploit
http://www.hou2600.org/hacking/apple-fails-to-learn-from-last-big-hack-in-icloud-exploit/

[aggroculture]

Cee Lo Green: fuck YOU
http://feministing.com/2014/09/05/ceelo-green-and-the-cycle-of-celebrity-rape-apology/

[thevoid99]

Cee Lo Green: fuck YOU
http://feministing.com/2014/09/05/ceelo-green-and-the-cycle-of-celebrity-rape-apology/

What he did is rape. He took advantage of someone under the influence and scarred her. Fuck him and I hope he and Chris Brown become cellmates for life.

[thelastdisciple]

Disney vs. Deadmau5

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/09/05/deadmau5-disney-cease-and-desist_n_5772348.html

http://variety.com/2014/biz/news/disney-defends-effort-to-halt-deadmau5s-mouse-ears-trademark-1201299168/

[icecream]

Disney vs. Deadmau5

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/09/05/deadmau5-disney-cease-and-desist_n_5772348.html

http://variety.com/2014/biz/news/disney-defends-effort-to-halt-deadmau5s-mouse-ears-trademark-1201299168/
I'm genuinely surprised it took them this long to sue.

[Your Name Here]

So any symbolic mouse head Disney has exclusive rights to the trademark? It will be interesting to see how this plays out in court. I'm not a Disney fan at all, nor do I believe in god, but the great satan lives in the land of Disney. Fuck Disney!

[mfte]

So it's no secret that a lot of Toronto media outlets like to catch Rob Ford doing something questionable and making "news" out of it.

Ever since reporting that Ford was gonna meet with Mike Tyson they have been going out of their way to state that Tyson is in fact a convicted rapist... excessively so.

Anyhow local news tool Nathan Downer did not disappoint during a live interview.

Watch Tyson call this idiot out.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7atoxEXSwQ

[thevoid99]

So it's no secret that a lot of Toronto media outlets like to catch Rob Ford doing something questionable and making "news" out of it.

Ever since reporting that Ford was gonna meet with Mike Tyson they have been going out of their way to state that Tyson is in fact a convicted rapist... excessively so.

Anyhow local news tool Nathan Downer did not disappoint during a live interview.

Watch Tyson call this idiot out.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7atoxEXSwQ

Don't mention that shit to Tyson. Plus, I think he was wrongly convicted of that rape charge based on what he had been telling as I think he is telling the truth.

[icecream]

Ever since reporting that Ford was gonna meet with Mike Tyson they have been going out of their way to state that Tyson is in fact a convicted rapist... excessively so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7atoxEXSwQ
And that Ford said he was cut from the same cloth as Tyson... I wouldn't want to say I was cut from the same cloth as a convicted rapist...

[botley]

So it's no secret that a lot of Toronto media outlets like to catch Rob Ford doing something questionable and making "news" out of it.
It's no secret that a lot of other outlets report everything he does as heroic and/or entertaining, even the homophobic or racist remarks and clear conflict-of-interest violations of the public trust. We need to stop the fixation on him and move on.


Ever since reporting that Ford was gonna meet with Mike Tyson they have been going out of their way to state that Tyson is in fact a convicted rapist... excessively so.
I'd say Tyson assaults women, and was indeed convicted of rape (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/mike-tyson-rap-sheet-1.308253), but not to the point of being excessive about it. Maybe remind him of that every day for the rest of his life, but, y'know, not on TV or anything.

[october_midnight]

Avril Lavigne and Chad Kroeger to split? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2759401/Avril-Lavigne-husband-Chad-Kroeger-headed-split-14-months-marriage.html)

THE WORLD I KNOW IS DEAD AND GONE.

[thevoid99]

Avril Lavigne and Chad Kroeger to split? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2759401/Avril-Lavigne-husband-Chad-Kroeger-headed-split-14-months-marriage.html)

THE WORLD I KNOW IS DEAD AND GONE.

Oh shit, I was going to post that. I'm surprised it even lasted that long.

[thelastdisciple]

So i guess Tom Morello was being a massive entitled douchebag to this local Seattle cafe/bar.

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tom-morello-slams-seattle-restaurant-after-being-denied-service/

Seriously thought the dude was better than this...

[Throw_it_away9]

So i guess Tom Morello was being a massive entitled douchebag to this local Seattle cafe/bar.

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tom-morello-slams-seattle-restaurant-after-being-denied-service/

Seriously thought the dude was better than this...

It's weird: you substitute Bieber for Morello and of course you would see a headline like this. But Tom? I don't want to believe it, but...

[miss k bee]

Totally fed up about all the news about George Clooney's wedding!. Enough!

[Throw_it_away9]

It's weird: you substitute Bieber for Morello and of course you would see a headline like this. But Tom? I don't want to believe it, but...

http://www.spin.com/articles/tom-morello-rage-against-the-machine-restaurant-facebook-comment-rebuttal/

Tom Morello provides is side of the story^

[thelastdisciple]

Hmmm... i know i called him a douchebag at first without really knowing the full story... suppose I'll give him the benefit of the doubt i guess?....

In his situation with the doorman as he tells it i could see something like that being irritating, afterward with the twitter stuff i mean we're all human.. we all do knee-jerk shit without thinking it through. We've all stressed out over things we shouldn't.

I've never been to Seattle or that cafe/bar, don't know any of these people so i can't speak to the credibility of the manager or anyone that works there. Likewise Tom's a celebrity and can say and act any way he wants to, i don't know the guy.

So I'm just gonna hope for the best and that they both can move on from this regardless of whoever's at fault.

[Dra508]

Renee Zelleweger did something to her face and I'm really sorry she did (http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/renee-zellweger-new-face-surgeons-article-1.1982221)

[Nyx]

^^Holy. Crap.

[october_midnight]

Saw that this afternoon. Christ, that's too much work.

[Digital Twilight]

She sounds like Michael Jackson saying that people change as they get older. I think the surgery had something to do with it love.

[allegro]

She looks better. Her chipmunk cheeks were probably limiting her roles. The only thing that looks different is she's lost weight and her chipmunk cheeks have been removed. Bfd. It's nice for us to sit back and say we liked those chipmunk cheeks but we're not the ones sitting at home wondering how we're gonna pay the bills. Hollywood is brutal.

[Sarah K]

Yeah... I think she looks way better now.

[kdrcraig]

She looks like a completely different person.

[marodi]

She looks like a completely different person.

That's what I think too. I'm not convinced it's due to cosmetic surgery (and if it is, it's her right to have everything she feels she needs to have done done); I think it's the combination of aging and losing the baby fat she has been carrying all her adult life.

I liked the chipmunk cheeks; it was sort of her trademark, like Streisand and her nose.

[allegro]

I don't think she looks as completely different as Kenny Rogers, or Jennifer Grey, or Kim Novak.

Or Kylie Jenner.

[Nyx]

Well, no one I showed the pic to had any idea who it was (one guessed Laura Dern).. Depending on how different she looks on camera, she might get even less work now. It's sad.

[allegro]

i didn't know she had blue eyes until now.

http://wgntv.com/2014/10/22/renee-zellweger-responds-to-comments-about-her-face/

this looks like her cheeks are about the same and her eyes are the only thing that are different, like they removed a lot of confining skin. You sometimes actually have to have that done for MEDICAL REASONS because it can impede your vision (my mom might have to have it done soon).
https://tribwgntv.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/141021235315-cnn-tonight-dana-van-palin-renee-00013406-tablet-large1-e1413982248383.jpg?w=770

SHE seems to be really happy with her new look. Jess Seinfeld has been on Instagram defending her, saying Renee is a great person and sends cookies for every birthday.

See also: http://www.vulture.com/2014/10/history-of-freakouts-over-renee-zellwegers-face.html?mid=twitter_nymag

Axl Rose looks WAY worse
http://cdn.styleblazer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/axl-rose.jpg?timestamp=1414033520

[Dra508]

I don't think she looks as completely different as Kenny Rogers, or Jennifer Grey, or Kim Novak.

Or Kylie Jenner.

I think Jennifer Grey. It's her eyes that have been changed so she doesn't look like the Renee we all recognize. Unfortunately, at the moment, I don't think this will help her career. I read somewhere that she had been passed over for a lot of roles. Probably thought she had to do something. I feel bad for the press she's getting for it since it doesn't seem that positive which can't possibly help to get more roles. It's tough to get old, but you just have to reinvent yourself and not try to continue to be the ingenue.

[allegro]

I think Jennifer Grey. It's her eyes that have been changed so she doesn't look like the Renee we all recognize. Unfortunately, at the moment, I don't think this will help her career. I read somewhere that she had been passed over for a lot of roles. Probably thought she had to do something. I feel bad for the press she's getting for it since it doesn't seem that positive which can't possibly help to get more roles. It's tough to get old, but you just have to reinvent yourself and not try to continue to be the ingenue.

Well, but she's hired for her •acting*, right? I guess already has a new movie coming out in 2015. We'll see. As I said, she may have had the eye thing done for vision reasons, not just for Hollywood reasons.

[sentient02970]

Axl Rose looks WAY worse
http://cdn.styleblazer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/axl-rose.jpg?timestamp=1414033520
Haha, wow. What was the meme? "You know where you are? You're in the kitchen baby."

[Dra508]

^^^^ Those rings are quite large. What does that mean? It's like Elvis or something.

[allegro]

^^^^ Those rings are quite large. What does that mean? It's like Elvis or something.
He puts his weed in there.

[Frozen Beach]

http://www.jackbruce.com/
RIP Jack Bruce

[Maximilian]

Awww. Fantastic musician.

RIP

[allegro]

We have an entire thread just for dead people, now (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/2952-Dead-Souls?p=222453#post222453)

[thelastdisciple]

Ugh... people can be so malicious.

Jian Ghomeshi (you may have seen his interview with Trent Reznor on a program called Q) a renowned journalist here in Canada was just fired from his job at CBC and here's what he had to say...

It's a bit of a doozy.

https://www.facebook.com/jianghomeshi/posts/10152357063881750

[icecream]

Ugh... people can be so malicious.

Jian Ghomeshi (you may have seen his interview with Trent Reznor on a program called Q) a renowned journalist here in Canada was just fired from his job at CBC and here's what he had to say...

It's a bit of a doozy.

https://www.facebook.com/jianghomeshi/posts/10152357063881750

Heard about this. This whole thing is fucked up. Can't believe CBC would fire someone on those grounds. I'm not 100% sure but I'm certain it's illegal to fire someone for being into BDSM.

Here is the interview for those who are interested:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0-MfHLY0tfU

[Dra508]

Ugh... people can be so malicious.

Jian Ghomeshi (you may have seen his interview with Trent Reznor on a program called Q) a renowned journalist here in Canada was just fired from his job at CBC and here's what he had to say...

It's a bit of a doozy.

https://www.facebook.com/jianghomeshi/posts/10152357063881750

I've listened to Q a bunch of times. Good stuff. The story sounds messed up.

EDIT: Yeesh, there is a lot more to the story.

Question to a Canadian. Are there not rape shield laws up there?


When asked why by the Star, the women cited several reasons including fears that a police report would expose their names

[botley]

Um, there's a LOT more to this than what the press or Jian himself are currently reporting. Strap yourselves in.

EDIT: here's the tip of the iceberg http://t.co/cXXT3lsZlQ

[onthewall2983]

So you're saying there's more than just that? Great.

[thelastdisciple]

What Jian wrote seemed pretty solid and i can totally believe something like that can happen the way he says it did, i mean i don't speak from experience but i know people who have gone through that type of calculated attack maybe not exactly but similar tactics, it kind of hits close to home but of course i can also believe the flipside to that and Jian could very well be the calculated one.

This is a tough one... It's easy to believe for me because i can relate to it by way of extension but hell what does anyone know that doesn't know him or those that made the allegations personally.

I just hate anyone who'll flip the script to appear as a victim that's my "knee-jerk" reaction anyways.

EDIT: It can go either way though which is something i think people should remember and not pick sides based on sexist beliefs.

[botley]

You want a reasoned response based on evidence? Okay: this stinks to high heaven (http://sexgeek.wordpress.com/2014/10/27/poor-persecuted-pervert/) and Ghomeshi is spinning it to his advantage with a high-priced PR factory.

[thelastdisciple]

Evidence? I wouldn't really say that based on that write up, points out some discrepancies to think about... sure and PR? that could be the case or to me he's presented himself to be a rather well spoken dude... couldn't he have just typed all of that up in Word and copied it over? It's much easier than typing in that text area on Facebook that's for sure.

Also when someone says they know who X person is on some blog, it's kind of hard to believe without seeing pictures of them together at least.

To be honest any write up at this point won't convince me of much without something more substantial but whatever i read on Jian's page like i said whether it's true or not it's definitely something i can relate to in a way.. it certainly makes me want to think better of the situation.

If he is the way the women claim him to be then there's bound to be more who speak up, if they all start coming out of the woodwork there might be something there.

Someone who is this way is only going to leave a trail and it isn't going to be just four people...

Would he ever show his true colors to any celebrities he's interviewed or worked with? doubtful but some have started to post their thoughts on the matter for whatever it's worth here's a bit from LIGHTS - https://www.facebook.com/lights/posts/10152780986716328

I'll say there could be something with that Carla article though, that more than anything definitely has me thinking.

[Sarah K]

I hate how BDSM has been implicated in SO MANY of these stories lately.

[onthewall2983]

I hate how BDSM has been implicated in SO MANY of these stories lately.

Yep. With the 50 Shades craze going on, there's been a steady increase of these kinds of implications too. There was a story out of Michigan about a man who had his wife killed that was part of his local kinky community and they focused more on that than anything else. It's bad enough that you're in a flyover state and part of such a quirky minority to begin with, to have the eye of the media on you like that kind of pisses me off.

It makes me 5,000 shades of pissed off.

[Dra508]

http://msmagazine.com/blog/2014/10/27/why-the-jian-ghomeshi-rough-sex-scandal-isnt-about-rough-sex/

Net: keep critical thinking/reading about this story.

[icecream]

Um, there's a LOT more to this than what the press or Jian himself are currently reporting. Strap yourselves in.

EDIT: here's the tip of the iceberg http://t.co/cXXT3lsZlQhttps://www.greenparty.ca/en/blog/2014-10-27/elizabeth-may-regarding-jian-ghomeshi
Elizabeth May's response, thought you might be interested.

[Sarah K]

http://business.financialpost.com/2014/10/27/jian-ghomeshis-cbc-lawsuit-is-hopeless-even-if-hes-telling-the-truth/

[aggroculture]

http://jezebel.com/lets-play-self-pitying-creep-non-apology-bingo-1651391893

[themethatyouknow]

http://jezebel.com/lets-play-self-pitying-creep-non-apology-bingo-1651391893

Well that was the most sexist, hate filled pool of bile I've read in a while. I have no idea if the guy is an abuser or is being targeted by a malicious ex, but I fail to see how this kind of trolling passes as journalism.


also, in an era where the word misogynist gets thrown around in every other sentence, shouldn't there be a word for unabashed man hating like this?

[marodi]

also, in an era where the word misogynist gets thrown around in every other sentence, shouldn't there be a word for unabashed man hating like this?

Misandry is the word you're looking.

I know too many words.

[orestes]

How is this an example of misandry?

[marodi]

How is this an example of misandry?

Don't ask me, I just provided the word! It's not my fault all these pesky, rarely used words get stuck in my brain! :p

I thought the article made a couple of very good points, by the way.

[themethatyouknow]

How is this an example of misandry?

Did you read the Jezebel article? Every sentence was "male creeps" "male narcissists" "he's not the first man to do so" What part of it wasn't misandry? Again, I have no idea if the guy in question is guilty or not. But this type of characterization of all men as self-pitying creeps clearly has nothing to do with the merits of the individual case. It's purely hatred based on one's gender. Flip the wording around and pretend a man wrote this about women. Can you honestly say that you wouldn't be outraged?

[orestes]

The article was referring to male celebrities so no, not all men. (Jesus, did I really have to write that out?)

[allegro]

And it's on JEZEBEL, for Christ sake.

And is clearly sarcastic.

[onthewall2983]

Kevin Smith shaves beard (http://www.dorkly.com/post/69985/we-dont-mean-to-freak-you-out-but-kevin-smith-just-shaved-his-beard?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=amplification).

[Maximilian]

Kevin Smith shaves beard (http://www.dorkly.com/post/69985/we-dont-mean-to-freak-you-out-but-kevin-smith-just-shaved-his-beard?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=amplification).

That is a strange sight to see, haha.

[Sarah K]

Kevin Smith shaves beard (http://www.dorkly.com/post/69985/we-dont-mean-to-freak-you-out-but-kevin-smith-just-shaved-his-beard?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=amplification).

Did he lose a lot of weight, too? Or is it just the angle of that photo + no more beard?

Oh, man. I just saw the last photo. He looks 19.

[Dra508]

And it's on JEZEBEL, for Christ sake.

And is clearly sarcastic.

Amanda Palmer, of course, manage to have a polite debate on Twitter about this topic. The more I read the critiques of Jian's actual words, the more I don't buy his story here. themethatyouknow , imagine a good friend of yours writing exactly what he wrote. It just doesn't seem to jibe. Jury is still out for me, but CBC cutting him loose doesn't help to show his innocence.

[Vertigo]

Pretty sure Matthew Broderick jumped in a time machine immediately after Ferris Bueller's Day Off, and is now posing as clean-shaven Kevin Smith.

[themethatyouknow]

Amanda Palmer, of course, manage to have a polite debate on Twitter about this topic. The more I read the critiques of Jian's actual words, the more I don't buy his story here. @themethatyouknow (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=105) , imagine a good friend of yours writing exactly what he wrote. It just doesn't seem to jibe. Jury is still out for me, but CBC cutting him loose doesn't help to show his innocence.

I clearly stated in BOTH posts I wrote that I was not in any way commenting on his guilt or innocence.

[thelastdisciple]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/29/canadian-actress-alleges-jian-ghomeshi-slapped-and-choked-her-at-his-apartment/

So the total is now eight women who have spoken out about Jian Ghomeshi?

Yikes.

[WorzelG]

I've always been in the 'if the woman gets to be anonymous then the man should too' camp but cases like this and various similar cases in the UK recently, do suggest that these people will never stop what they're doing unless women hear of someone else coming forward and then add their story if they have had the same experiences.

[Dra508]

I've always been in the 'if the woman gets to be anonymous then the man should too' camp but cases like this and various similar cases in the UK recently, do suggest that these people will never stop what they're doing unless women hear of someone else coming forward and then add their story if they have had the same experiences.

I've never heard of that camp. Would we do this for those accused of other non-sexual crimes?

He's lost his forward line:http://t.thestar.com/#/article/news/gta/2014/10/30/jian_ghomeshi_dumped_by_pr_firm_over_lies_sources_ say.html

[ambergris]

Avril Lavigne and Chad Kroeger are about to split because her career is a trainwreck and they blame each other for it. They also possibly cheat on each other:

http://de.eonline.com/news/593827/avril-lavigne-and-chad-kroeger-headed-for-a-split-things-still-aren-t-good-says-source?utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=imdb_topstories

[millionmilesaway]

RIP Wayne Static, so many angsty high school memories

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/static-x-frontman-wayne-static-dead-at-48/

[Deepvoid]

RIP Wayne Static, so many angsty high school memories

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/static-x-frontman-wayne-static-dead-at-48/

That's sad. Way too young to die.
Unfortunately, he looked in bad shape in the last few videos I watched of his solo gig.

[ItsJustDave]

I just became part of the Ghomeshi story.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/all-my-fans-make-me-sick-online-video-shows-ghomeshi-singing-about-fans-1.2084795

[mfte]

I just became part of the Ghomeshi story.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/all-my-fans-make-me-sick-online-video-shows-ghomeshi-singing-about-fans-1.2084795


This creep is certainly picking up the slack now that Rob Ford isn't mayor anymore.

[thelastdisciple]

I just became part of the Ghomeshi story.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/all-my-fans-make-me-sick-online-video-shows-ghomeshi-singing-about-fans-1.2084795
I knew i had recognized that youtube name from somewhere :P

[Sarah K]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/lindseyadler/artie-lange-tweets-about-espns-cari-champion-ripped-as-abusi?bffb

I dunno if Artie Lange counts as a "celebrity", but this is really fucked up and weird.

[onthewall2983]

He's probably using again.

[allegro]

what the FUCK, that isn't funny even if you're drunk or high. Holy shit.

[Nyx]

Benedict Cumberbatch is engaged:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/05/showbiz/celebrity-news-gossip/benedict-cumberbatch-engaged/index.html

[Frozen Beach]

Artie Lange is pretty notorious for making fucked up jokes. I really don't get why people are surprised by this.

[Sarah K]

Because nothing about that seems like a "joke".

[Jinsai]

I don't know who Artie Lange is, but he was probably really fucked up when he posted those Twitter comments, and he's probably going to wake up in about 4 hours with a severe hangover and delete them.

I don't know if anything he said is worth getting offended over, when understood in that context.

[Frozen Beach]

Because nothing about that seems like a "joke".
It seems like an attempt at a joke to me, albeit an unfunny one


I don't know who Artie Lange is
He's a comedian who has a reputation because he was always on Howard Stern's show.

[Sarah K]

I'm about to say a few things I can't believe have to be explained in a rational world. I observed that Cari Champion was a gorgeous lady. I then thought it would be funny to tweet JOKES about that observation. A decision which might be the end of modern comedy. I would rather load trucks for a living then ever apologize to one of these awful PC groups ruining the country. So that's a NO. But if it upset the lady in question that's another story. Let me say to Cari Champion if this hurt u in any way I'm sorry. I'm a comedian. Sometimes I'm funny! For the record my moms disgusted w the tweets. But if I based my humor on my mom I'd be broke.They're now telling me I can't appear on @Midnight tonight cause of the pressure they're getting from these groups. But who cares. I love the show & it's my living but who cares. These groups have won again. All I care about is Cari Champion. Truly. But I'm sure you'll be ok. You're gorgeous & talented. I hope that didn't offend u. To the PC army. Congrats! U won again! Gluten free cake! I've been asked not to appear on @midnight & uve ruined any chance I had at dating Cari Champion (That was a joke).

I'm not racist. I don't hate women. And to u PC groups that did this I wanna be clear. Go FUCK yourselves! Now get back to saving the world. Done. Peace.

He is the VICTIM HERE GUYS

[Dra508]

Making jokes like that on Twitter just doesn't work. When have they ever? Making jokes like that on a small stage in front of drunken crowd - yeah, I can see him doing them there, that's his schtick. Most people sorting through their Twitter feed are sober and don't find 'I want to fuck her' tweets funny.

[Jinsai]

has anyone been following this thing with Bill Cosby? I had actually never heard the allegations that he was a rapist before, and I wonder if it's just internet hysteria, but to invite making a meme in light of (apparently?) allegations that you're a rapist?

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/bill.cosby.meme.565x300.jpg

[Dra508]

has anyone been following this thing with Bill Cosby? I had actually never heard the allegations that he was a rapist before, and I wonder if it's just internet hysteria, but to invite making a meme in light of (apparently?) allegations that you're a rapist?

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/bill.cosby.meme.565x300.jpg
He's had these allegations leveled at him several times, always getting sort of whispered away. It wasn't until recently that a comedian called him out (http://www.salon.com/2014/10/21/hannibal_buress_on_bit_about_bill_cosby_rape_alleg ations_its_just_information_thats_out_there/)

[Fixer808]

And he wasn't suggesting memes about the allegations, just Cosby memes. The internet took it from there.

[Dra508]

And he wasn't suggesting memes about the allegations, just Cosby memes. The internet took it from there.

Gotta love the interwebz

http://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/2014/11/11/cosby/oiFUt1bk8FmsnBA8SsCfRK/story.html

And these folks blocking Tom Wheeler from the FCC's driveway- not cool

http://youtu.be/DJDzfgvMXec

[allegro]

Gordie Howe is not doing very well right now (http://www.wxyz.com/sports/hockey/red-wings/family-says-gordie-howes-health-is-declining) :-(

[Dra508]

Gordie Howe is not doing very well right now (http://www.wxyz.com/sports/hockey/red-wings/family-says-gordie-howes-health-is-declining) :-(What a legend.

[theruiner]

...And this makes the 13th woman to come out and accuse Bill Cosby (if my count is correct; last night on the news it was up to 12 so I believe this will be 13). Thirteen. But his lawyer is still defending him by claiming that every single one of these women is making it all up. Yes. They're ALL lying. OMG IT'S A CONSPIRACY.

Also, it's kind of disheartening that he apparently got a standing ovation at his show last night in Florida.

http://gawker.com/never-tell-anyone-club-manager-svu-actress-share-ow-1662102402

[theruiner]

Jian Ghomeshi charged with sexual assault, has turned himself into police.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/11/26/jian_ghomeshi_arrested_sexual_assault_charges_for_ canadian_personality.html

[october_midnight]

Scott Stapp from Creed is 'homeless' and 'penniless'. (http://www.tmz.com/2014/11/26/creeds-scott-stapp-rant-video-creed-divorce/)

[Jinsai]

Scott Stapp from Creed is 'homeless' and 'penniless'. (http://www.tmz.com/2014/11/26/creeds-scott-stapp-rant-video-creed-divorce/)

ugh... in that video, listening to him smack his fucking lips every 5 seconds is making me want to scream more than his shitty music...

"I'm under a vicious attack... [smack], I still don't know why... [smack] except that about 8 weeks ago [smack] I began audit of my record company [smack] and my personal finances [smack]"

[DigitalChaos]

^ Maybe the dude has dentures? Hell, that would explain the weird vocal style in his music... or whatever that is

[thevoid99]

Scott Stapp from Creed is 'homeless' and 'penniless'. (http://www.tmz.com/2014/11/26/creeds-scott-stapp-rant-video-creed-divorce/)

Man, he's such a dick who wants us to feel sorry for him. Well fuck him for being full of shit and trying to be a messiah.

[onthewall2983]

I think it goes beyond that if his soon-to-be-ex to be believed.

http://consequenceofsound.net/2014/11/scott-stapp-placed-in-psych-hold-after-cops-find-him-rambling-on-side-of-road/

[allegro]

I think it goes beyond that if his soon-to-be-ex to be believed.

http://consequenceofsound.net/2014/11/scott-stapp-placed-in-psych-hold-after-cops-find-him-rambling-on-side-of-road/
That explains the teeth issues.

[Sarah K]

Seems like some textbook schizophrenia or a manic phase.

[elevenism]

Seems like some textbook schizophrenia or a manic phase.
yeah or amphetamine psychosis....jesus....

[october_midnight]

Tim Burton and Helena Bonham Carter split after 13 years together. (http://ca.eonline.com/news/609009/helena-bonham-carter-and-tim-burton-break-up-after-13-years-together)

[Fixer808]

Who's getting custody of Planet of the Apes?
http://www.teenidols4you.com/blink/Actors/helenbonhamcarter/helenbonhamcarter_1286249631.jpg

[ambergris]

Who's getting custody of Planet of the Apes?
http://www.teenidols4you.com/blink/Actors/helenbonhamcarter/helenbonhamcarter_1286249631.jpg

Who is getting custody of Johnny Depp?

[Deepvoid]

This is it for Suge Knight.
Arrested for murder in hit and run. (http://www.tmz.com/2015/01/29/suge-knight-car-accident-compton-man-run-over/)

[Sarah K]

I love it when people are given second chances. Everyone fucks up. But I think we are at a point where Suge should probably just spend the rest of his days in prison.

[Swykk]

"Tim, I'm going to need you to stop making the same goddamn movie over and over if this is going to work."

"I WILL NOT STOP! It will be quirky and odd and Johnny Depp will be there and so will you and YOU WILL LIKE IT!"

"Sweetie, the days of Beetlejuice, Ed Wood, Edward Scissorhands and even Nightmare Before Christmas are long gone now. Your goodwill is fading fast much like our love."

"THEN LET IT FADE, baby!" (Now softly crying) "Let...it....faaaaaade." (Presses play on an unreleased somber Danny Elfman song)

Sorry, everyone. I'll just let myself out...

[thevoid99]

"Tim, I'm going to need you to stop making the same goddamn movie over and over if this is going to work."

"I WILL NOT STOP! It will be quirky and odd and Johnny Depp will be there and so will you and YOU WILL LIKE IT!"

"Sweetie, the days of Beetlejuice, Ed Wood, Edward Scissorhands and even Nightmare Before Christmas are long gone now. Your goodwill is fading fast much like our love."

"THEN LET IT FADE, baby!" (Now softly crying) "Let...it....faaaaaade." (Presses play on an unreleased somber Danny Elfman song)

Sorry, everyone. I'll just let myself out...

That shit is funny. Besides, I think Tim Burton and Johnny Deep needs to take a trial separation.

[Swykk]

http://www.salon.com/2015/02/03/rupert_you_wanna_f_me_im_gonna_f_you_randy_quaid_p osts_bizarre_nsfw_video/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

So, Randy Quaid is back, looking like Santa discovered meth. Uh....NSFW

[Sarah K]

http://assets-s3.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/article_photos/uma-2.jpg

Can you recognize the person on the left?

[Maximilian]

Not until I looked at the properties of the photo. Well, whatever she wants to do with her life....

[GibbonBlack]

there's gotta been some good body snatcher type conspiracy theories about her and Renee Zellweger somewhere on the internet.

[thevoid99]

I don't know... I don't think Uma looks that bad. I was more paying attention to Sienna Miller and Thandie Newton.

[Dra508]

I don't know... I don't think Uma looks that bad. I was more paying attention to Sienna Miller and Thandie Newton.

I didn't even recognize Sienna Miller. This isn't aging. Whyyyyyyyyyy?

[thevoid99]

I didn't even recognize Sienna Miller. This isn't aging. Whyyyyyyyyyy?

Oh wait, that's not Sienna Miller. That's Melissa George. My bad.

[Dra508]

Oh wait, that's not Sienna Miller. That's Melissa George. My bad.Well that explains that!

Uma was a beauty. Until society starts valuing aged beauty amongst celebrities and not just youth, there will be more Uma's and Renee's.

[allegro]

What's wrong with Uma, there? She's not wearing any makeup. She looks like Uma not wearing any makeup and maybe she's gained some weight?

THIS WOMAN NEVER HAS ANY FUCKING WORK DONE, AND SHE NEVER SEEMS TO HAVE ANY TROUBLE GETTING A JOB AND SHE'S BEAUTIFUL
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/pixar/images/5/5d/Helen-Mirren-helen-mirren-32853620-2000-2020.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130211211428


Of course, she doesn't look the same as when she was in "The Cook, The Thief, His Wife & Her Lover" but she's still gorgeous.

http://cdn.miramax.com/media/assets/GG-Mirren.jpg

[thevoid99]

Helen Mirren... she is one of those ladies who is even sexier when she gets older.

[Dra508]

What's wrong with Uma, there? She's not wearing any makeup. She looks like Uma not wearing any makeup and maybe she's gained some weight?

]

I think she did something to her face and it not just leaving the house without makeup. My gripe is why would she do that? Helen Mirren is proof that you should just let it ride. She's beautiful.

Maybe I should just say that it seems to me plastic surgery in any of its forms is risky. Let's all appreciate the aging process rather than try to stall it.

[allegro]

Maybe I should just say that it seems to me plastic surgery in any of its forms is risky. Let's all appreciate the aging process rather than try to stall it.
Any kind of surgery is a personal choice, and any kind of surgery is "risky." But, yeah, if you have things pulled up so much that you don't even look like YOU, anymore, you done fucked up.

[Dra508]

http://t.today.com/popculture/uma-thurman-talks-slap-responds-new-face-speculation-2D80489032

WTF! Fire that makeup artist!

[allegro]

http://t.today.com/popculture/uma-thurman-talks-slap-responds-new-face-speculation-2D80489032

WTF! Fire that makeup artist!

Ahhhhh ha ha ha I TOLD YA SO!!!!

[Sarah K]

Yeah... It for sure doesn't look as severe in those photos.

[Dra508]

Ahhhhh ha ha ha I TOLD YA SO!!!!You certainly did, biotch!

[Substance242]

OK where is the right place for this... if you search youtube for "afroman punch" - well that is certainly far from the right thing to do. She should never be there, but that was very bad reaction by "afroman". Reminded me of very old Roger Waters "spit" incident which I can somehow sympathize with (you try to give something to the audience and some of them just annoy you), or when the fcuk will I hear Hurt live as it is supposed to be heard. Or instead of listening people concetrate on their shaky blurry smartphone videos. Grr. "With buying these tickets you agree the show will take place only if people behave" would be my tickets proposal. :-)

[Khrz]

What, tackling him to the ground and hold him there during the whole song ? That's not a fucking punch to the face, that girl fell like a bag of rocks ! What Maynard did was a fucking bear hug in comparison !

[marodi]

Maynard clearly had training to take someone down.

He's a Brazilian jiu-jitsu practitioner. You don't mess with the guy.

It's starts at about 4:10 and the funniest thing about the whole incident is that he didn't even miss a single note.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS41ost0pM8

[october_midnight]

Vanilla Ice was arrested today for home burglary near where they were filming his reality show. lol.

[Dra508]

http://msmagazine.com/blog/2015/02/18/amber-rose-and-the-kardashians-race-privilege-and-slut-shaming/

I pay very little mind to The kardasdians and Amber Rose, but this particular incident does point out the disparity.

[allegro]

http://msmagazine.com/blog/2015/02/18/amber-rose-and-the-kardashians-race-privilege-and-slut-shaming/

I pay very little mind to The kardasdians and Amber Rose, but this particular incident does point out the disparity.
Wow, very good piece, interesting, thanks.

[telee.kom]

And just to be clear, I'm not exactly happy someone got hit, it's just that since Dimebag Darrell, people jumping on stage can be very scary, so I can't blame Afroman for doing what he did, especially since she actually made physical contact with him. I'm sure he feels bad about it.

Could people just stop with this stupid Dimebag argument already? She danced in front of him, then she went behind him, he knew exactly what the girl is doing and he definitely didn't knocked her out because he was scared for his life. I swear, people who are apologizing for this piece of shit are no better than the man himself

[telee.kom]

Dude was playing fucking music. Do you REALLY think he had time to think about what the hell this Woman was doing? I'm not apologizing for him because he has nothing to apologize for. Her dumb ass shouldn't have been onstage, rubbing her body all over him without any form of consistent. You do know that could be considered battery, right?

and are you implying because she's a female, she's not capable of causing any harm? You do realize that weapons exist right, and so do crazy people? Fact is, she shouldn't have been on the damn stage.

Did you see the video? She was dancing in front of him first, he obviously saw her and yes, of course he knew what she was doing, you act like if playing some lazy ass solo on guitar take your senses to some other world of whatever. He's got nothing to apologize for? 250 pound gorilla punch women half of his size senseless to the ground and he's got nothing to apologize for? Are you fucking serious?

Mhmm, battery, you must be a lawyer or something. Please show me one example in history where dancing around somebody was classified as battery and punching somebody in the face it is not? I really hope she sue his ass and this fucktard's career is over.

If he doesn't want fans on the stage, he should clear this up with security before the gig starts, different performers have different policies towards this issue, some bands don't mind fans doing shit on stage, some do, it's his fault he couldn't open his fucking mouth and say something like "guys, take her outta here" or something along the lines, if he didn't do that before.

[allegro]

For the record, the definition of any crime varies by state.

In Illinois: "Battery – 720 ILCS 5/12-3 (effective 2011) A simple battery occurs if you either knowingly cause bodily harm to another or you make contact with another person of an insulting or provoking nature."

Being a victim of battery does not necessarily entitle you to then commit the crime of assault.

Just saying.

[telee.kom]

Nice victim blaming.

lol. So the guy punches girl who is dancing around him and HE is the victim? Like, what the fuck is even your though process here?


So, because she's a "frail woman" he should hold back?

Yes. I guess you are one of those people who just don't really see the problem in beating girls as long as they hide it behind "equality". Well, I'm sorry I have only one fuck you to give and please, don't reproduce yourself, there's enough stupidity in the world as it is

[telee.kom]

Um, my thought process is this: he actually had a crime committed against him, and people are brushing it under the rug like it's okay. Why can't people just admit that everyone acted stupid in that scenario?

Nice job making things personal because I said some things you didn't like. Grow the fuck up.


What crime? You still didn't provide one example where dancing around somebody would be seen as battery. Better run to all those dance clubs to inform kids there that they are all criminals, run buddy.

I'm sorry, I just have little patience for cocksuckers like you who are okay with beating women and are genuinely trying to apologize something like this

[Khrz]

I'm not entirely 100% sure on that, but when my dad committed battery against me, a female officer told me I could have defended myself from him. Every time I try to find information about Battery, all I find is definitions and differences between assault.

You're aware that it's all relative to the assailant, and the circumstances of the assault, right ? You can't just hulk-smash anyone. If a drunk teen girl comes to you and starts grinding on you, good luck defending yourself if you punch her lights out on the grounds of sexual harassment.

[telee.kom]

Why is is just Women you're not okay with

I'm more not okay with man beating woman because of obvious physical differences, men are usually more stronger than women, in this case it was a fight between man who is twice the size of a women he beat up. I was just raised this way, that it is not okay to beat women. Shame on me right?


I'm just gonna put you on the ignore list until you grow up in about 10 years.

I might not sleep tonight over this information

[Khrz]

The circumstances of the assault is that there was no damn security doing their job, and she went behind him. Does he have eyes in the back of his head? Could he have known ENTIRELY what she was doing to him? It's like you people think Women are incapable of committing violent crimes.

It's like there is no gradual measure between serenity and total war. Every time someone does something behind my back I make sure to knock them out, just in case. I could shove them off, call someone more qualified for help, or move away, but no, everyone's a potential threat and I treat everyone accordingly.
Refresh me on the statistics of lethal attacks on performers during concerts compared to the amount of people just having fun, being simply drunk and goofing off ? They must be off the roof if the only response is to beat everyone up...

[Khrz]

Security shouldn't have to be called, they should be there to do it anyway. Security wasn't doing their job, Afroman acted. I never said he acted with appropriate force, I was stating I don't blame him for acting in general.

That's the thing though : you can't gloss over the details of what was done just because something had to be done. Just because some kind of response is necessary or warranted doesn't mean any kind of response is acceptable.
She was disruptive and annoying (and he could see that it was all she was, an annoyance), that doesn't mean she had to be knocked down.

[Frozen Beach]

Just forget it. I'm deleting my posts because I'm tired of talking about it, and if my tone changed to anger towards the end of it, I'm sorry, but I don't appreciate being told I shouldn't breed just because I see something in a different light. What does my opinion matter to any of you anyway? I'm just a guy on the internet, discussing this. I'm not a lawyer.

[allegro]

I'm not entirely 100% sure on that, but when my dad committed battery against me, a female officer told me I could have defended myself from him. Every time I try to find information about Battery, all I find is definitions and differences between assault.
"Defending yourself" does not necessarily mean assault. It could mean a similar battery as the one used against you. It depends on the laws of each state (e.g. "stand your ground" laws in certain states allowing you to shoot somebody and use deadly force if they assault you, which isn't the law in all states). And police officers aren't necessarily experts in advising you to commit crimes, just an FYI.

See this, the doctrine of self-defense (http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/assault-and-battery-defenses.html):


The defenses available in assault and battery cases can vary widely depending on the facts and circumstances, mainly because such cases can range from the straight-forward to the extremely complex. However, operating under the assumption that the basic elements of an assault / battery exist in a case (i.e. it is not a case of mistaken identity or some other fundamental error), the following are some possible defenses to assault and battery charges along with a few helpful examples.

Self-defense

Self-defense is probably the most common defense used in assault and battery cases. In order to establish self-defense, an accused must generally show:

* a threat of unlawful force or harm against them;
* a real, honest perceived fear of harm to themselves (there must be a reasonable basis for this perceived fear);
* no harm or provocation on their part; and
* there was no reasonable chance of retreating or escaping the situation.

Example A: Adam is confronted by Bill, a large, imposing stranger, who immediately begins shouting threats at him and lunging at him with fists raised in a highly threatening manner. Adam is terrified, strikes Bill, and gets away through the nearest exit at his first available opportunity. Adam may be able to successfully argue that he acted only in self-defense under such circumstances.

Example B: Adam runs into Bill and gets into an argument. Bill insults and belittles Adam, at which point Adam insults Bill and threatens to beat him up. Bill then strikes Adam, and Adam retaliates in kind. It would be more difficult for Adam to establish self-defense under these circumstances than those in Example A, because Adam took part in escalating and provoking the fight by threatening Bill.

The doctrine of self-defense has a number of limitations in addition to those outlined above. Simply because someone acts in self-defense does not mean that all bets are off as far as the amount of force that can be used to defend one's self. The force used in self-defense must be reasonable when compared to the threat posed by the victim. Also, even if all the elements outlined above are met, an individual defending themself may still be found guilty of assault/battery if the victim was physically no match for them in the first place (this could be due to size, age, etc.).

[Jinsai]

There's really never a good reason to defend Afroman, but especially when he's punching drunk women in the face.

[Hazekiah]

Breaking news: Harrison Ford seriously injured in plane crash:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/harrison-ford-injured-plane-crash-n318301



http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_10/917936/150315_harrison-ford-jsw-636p_d96bc9e19370fdf9463150f621ffc743.nbcnews-ux-600-360.JPG

[Ryan]

Breaking news: Harrison Ford seriously injured in plane crash:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/harrison-ford-injured-plane-crash-n318301



http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_10/917936/150315_harrison-ford-jsw-636p_d96bc9e19370fdf9463150f621ffc743.nbcnews-ux-600-360.JPG



Gee whiz, glad he's OK from what the article says.

[Hazekiah]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChefBenFord/status/573649772583591937


At the hospital. Dad is ok. Battered, but ok! He is every bit the man you would think he is. He is an incredibly strong man.
7:02pm - 5 Mar 15

[allegro]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChefBenFord/status/573649772583591937

Of course he is! He's HARRISON FUCKING FORD!!

[thevoid99]

Of course he is! He's HARRISON FUCKING FORD!!

Exactly. He's Han Solo. Indiana fuckin' Jones. It's going to take an army to kill him. Maybe 5 at least.

[allegro]

Exactly. He's Han Solo. Indiana fuckin' Jones. It's going to take an army to kill him. Maybe 5 at least.

He's RICK DECKARD!!!! HE CAN'T DIE! (yet)

[thevoid99]

He's RICK DECKARD!!!! HE CAN'T DIE! (yet)

He's also the President of the United States who kills Russians for a living and he's also Jack Ryan, CIA motherfucker.

[allegro]

You know, when he finally really does die, we're gonna get drunk and cry for weeks, you realize that, don't you?

[marodi]

You know, when he finally really does die, we're gonna get drunk and cry for weeks, you realize that, don't you?

Well, he can't die now because I'm still not over Leonard Nimoy's death.

[onthewall2983]

I think it'll be awhile before he dies (that is, if he retires from flying).