††† (Crosses)

[iamanexit]

Chino Moreno's newest side project!
Holy fuck!

Total eargasm. I think my ovaries may have also exploded.
Free download of the EP & Tour info at their website (http://www.crossesmusic.com/).
Baller ass shit.

I love everything he has done, and this is no exception. Too good.

[poinoup]

I agree. I am still really enjoying the EP. The song from the Arkham Asylum soundtrack is awesome as well.

I feel greedy, but I want more from them already.

[iamanexit]

I just heard it for the first time today (thanks to one Malechite fellow...) and Jesus Fuck.
I need to track down said Arkham Asylum song! I NEED MOAR NAOOOOO!!!

[october_midnight]

Not sure if a link to the Arkham Asylum song was in the old ETS' "Crosses" thread, but yeah it's good stuff. They've announced a one-off show next month in Pomona, CA...wish they'd play more.

[Malechite]

thanks to one Malechite fellow...

You're welcome!

[iamanexit]

Hmm... I'll have to hunt that track down... can't be too difficult.


You're welcome!

Fuck yes! :D

[Wretchedest]

the 'tone are apparenty about to hit the studio too, Chino's got 2012 cut out for him it seems.

[iamanexit]

the 'tone are apparenty about to hit the studio too, Chino's got 2012 cut out for him it seems.
Hella rad!

[Space Suicide]

I'm still listening to this shit and The Years like crazy. Love it, want more.

[Wretchedest]

I've always hoped the 'tones would get around to releasing this song, cause it's awesome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXJ5qVB8ogk

[jrdsctt]

Does anyone listen to any other Witch House music?

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

Holy crap. I completely forgot about Crosses while ETS was down. I completely missed out on this until now. Shit! New fuel for finals week.

[iamanexit]

Not sure if a link to the Arkham Asylum song was in the old ETS' "Crosses" thread, but yeah it's good stuff.
I found it. It's nice, but I don't like it as much as I like the EP.

[scorpiusdiamond]

I've always hoped the 'tones would get around to releasing this song, cause it's awesome

I am so annoyed they still haven't released Eros... It's just sitting on a shelf somewhere, complete, unreleased.

[Piko]

Is it really complete? Thought they had abandoned it towards the end. Either way, yeah, they should release it.

[Space Suicide]

They should release it with funds going to Chi.

[Wretchedest]

They should release it with funds going to Chi.

I know! Right? That guys still out so hard.... it's really sad...

[iamanexit]

They should release it with funds going to Chi.
Yeah, word.

[bobbie solo]

Does anyone listen to any other Witch House music?

ive come across this before, but i really dont see how this EP could possibly fall into that genre at all.

[zombielynx21]

I'm really glad ETS is back up because I didn't hear about this at all and I'm kicking myself for only just getting to it. Great, great stuff. Especially the song from the Arkham City Soundtrack.

[richardp]

I am so annoyed they still haven't released Eros... It's just sitting on a shelf somewhere, complete, unreleased.

I think that I read somewhere that they had considered putting it out, but they want to wait until Chi is at least fully awake before releasing it. But I do agree with everyone that releasing it with proceeds going to Chi would be great. Maybe even put it in a nice Deluxe set with a better charge, so that Chi's family gets more money.

[october_midnight]

Three CA shows now. (http://www.crossesmusic.com/live2012)

[isak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mePH5jbxw9E&feature=youtu.be

[Space Suicide]

I seen it this morning via Facebook. Way excited!

[scorpiusdiamond]

Unff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FClcHWhufm0

[bobbie solo]

that was badass

[october_midnight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmxm1xkj0d8&feature=youtu.be

[isak]

http://soundcloud.com/luischarlos/crosses-prurien-1

[scorpiusdiamond]

Well that was different... optimistic? Haven't heard Chino like that before, interesting...

[october_midnight]

Fucking LOVE the new track. LOVE it. The new EP can't arrive soon enough.

[Space Suicide]

Fucking LOVE the new track. LOVE it. The new EP can't arrive soon enough.

A little over a week to go. I'm excited too.

[Harry Seaward]

Wow. I just decided to check this band out, tonight.

Not bad at all.

[richardp]

The new EP is great. I think I actually like it better than the first one. They went all 80's electro-pop on this one.

[Wretchedest]

I know it's out thanks to you! ^ downloading

*edit* can't fuckin find it!

[richardp]

I know it's out thanks to you! ^ downloading

*edit* can't fuckin find it!

It went up on iTunes about an hour ago.

[uroboros]

If you purchase it from their site there is a deluxe version that has extra goodies on it. $7. So before you get it from itunes ccheck it out there to see if its worth the extra $. www.crossesmusic.com (http://www.crossesmusic.com)

[lady weetly]

Listening now! I'm getting a Depeche vibe from †elepa†hy. This is really great and I'm not sure if I like it more as the first ep, but definitely love both. I really hope they'll come around Chicago sometime this year (maybe lollapalooza?). Just really, really great. :D

[ihatecrayons]

I am in love with this EP. Not sure yet if I like it more than the first, but it's certainly off to a great start with me! Like Rachel, I hope they play Chicago soon! I would kill to see them at Lolla <3

[LaneSax]

prefer the new EP too, Telepathy is really good.

[Space Suicide]

I'm gonna get the Deluxe version in a bit. Can't wait to listen when I do buy it.

[Blackbookpress1984]

Lady weetly, are in the city itslef or suburbs? (just curious, I'm from "Chicago" as well.)

[Space Suicide]

Bought the Deluxe Version. Downloading now....

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

I am loving this. I have been listening to the first EP for over a week straight and I cannot get enough of it. Bermuda Locket is tits. It really just reminds me of Team Sleep a lot and would prefer new music from them instead :( But this is a nice little treat to stumble upon.

[fixate]

How's the video that comes with the deluxe? If it's just a bunch of the stuff from those youtube videos edited together not really interested.

[richardp]

Telepathy is probably my favorite track. It's so good.

Oh and Fixate, yeah the video is essentially just a 10 minute version of the youtube videos. The only redeeming thing about it, is that there appears to be snippets from EP 3 in it.

[october_midnight]

Bought the 3.99 version (only because I just want the songs but don't need the 10 min. video, hell it's already been on YouTube for like 4 hours and who would watch it more than once?)/

Loving it...hope they tour more...Prurient is still my favorite track.

[poinoup]

I'm really digging the new EP, especially †Rophys.

[Space Suicide]

I'm really digging the new EP, especially †Rophys.

Agreed!

That and Prurien† are the best it has to offer, but all tracks are good. 1987 is a pleasant surprise. †his Is A †rick is still my favorite song they have done thus far.

[Swykk]

I'm digging Frontiers the most.

[The Doctor]

After 3 listens...I completely love this EP! Favorite track so far is "†elepa†hy"

FWIW, here's my review of the first EP: http://ourvinyl.com/†††-crosses-†-ep/

It may sound completely insane to some, but if Deftones were to break up tomorrow and this became Chino's main focus, I'd be a little upset, but completely happy with a focus on this. It's *that* good to me...and this comes from an old school Deftones fan...

This Crosses project makes me yearn for a collaboration between Chino and TR. You know it's entered your mind too.

[LaneSax]

†elepa†hy is the best song they ever released in my opinion.

[Amaro]

Anyone wanna .zip the new release for me? K, thank you.

Or whatever, I'll just YouTube it.

[Demogorgon]

Anyone wanna .zip the new release for me? K, thank you.

Or whatever, I'll just YouTube it.

www.newalbumreleases.net (http://www.newalbumreleases.net) under the Electronic tab.

[fixate]

Can anyone recommend any music similar to these guys?

[richardp]

†elepa†hy is the best song they ever released in my opinion.

It's really good yes, but they've only released like 11 songs so far, so that may be jumping the gun a bit?

[fortheloveofgod]

It went up on iTunes about an hour ago.

Its on Spotify and Soundcloud too FYI! Loving is so far.

[Amaro]

www.newalbumreleases.net (http://www.newalbumreleases.net) under the Electronic tab.

Thanks, brudder.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

I am loving the new songs. But the first EP did a lot more for me. My favorite song is still Bermuda Locket from them so far. I still prefer Team Sleep as a side project.. just sayin'.

[isak]

Is that a Scouse accent I hear in the recording in Frontier? Wonder what significance it has to them.

[october_midnight]

First batch of live videos! (http://www.theprp.com/2012/02/01/news/%E2%80%A0%E2%80%A0%E2%80%A0-crosses-make-live-debut-in-pomona-ca-footage-available/)

[blackholesun]

Sweet! Seeing them in SF on Saturday. Makes me fucking sad/sick that everyone in all the videos has their camera/phone out. Enjoy the goddamn music.

[october_midnight]

I was JUST thinking that. Sure I wanna see the odd YouTube video, but seriously EVERY person there has their phone out. Money well spent, folks.

[Incendiary Lover]

Set List Pomona-

Holy Ghost
This is a Trick
Bermuda Locket
Frontiers
Prurient
Telepathy
1987
Cross
The Years
Option
-Encore-
Unknown Song with Annie Hardy (Sp?)
Trophy

I'm fairly sure this is accurate and in order. Considering this was their first live presentation and allowing for sound issues in a so so venue this was a great show. The crowd was very enthusiastic and I think there were more people recording than usual because it was a premiere. Watching two drummers play facing each other was unique and significantly impacted the feel of the tracks. I was pleasantly surprised they played Cross, it sounded great live. The Annie song was almost comedic as Chino was trying very hard to hit those high notes, smiling and giggling throughout the song.

The Amateur Chemist was in attendance and I'm sure he'll post an OC Weekly review shortly, with high quality pics.

[blackholesun]

Nice to see they play pretty much everything, though I did expect as much since they only have 2 releases. Speaking of which, what were the prices on merch? Apparently they are selling the 10" outside of that $99 rip-off of a package.

[Wretchedest]

Want to see them on sat but im booked for a shoot... :(

[Space Suicide]

Nice to see they play pretty much everything, though I did expect as much since they only have 2 releases. Speaking of which, what were the prices on merch? Apparently they are selling the 10" outside of that $99 rip-off of a package.

Rip off package? I thought that was worth it for everything you got as far as I seen it. The vinyl, shirt, scarf and flash drive alone was a good deal to me. I don't have a magical $100.00 laying around to buy it though.

But yes they are selling it, I've known that for a while now.

[october_midnight]

I knew it first.

[blackholesun]

Rip off package? I thought that was worth it for everything you got as far as I seen it. The vinyl, shirt, scarf and flash drive alone was a good deal to me. I don't have a magical $100.00 laying around to buy it though.

But yes they are selling it, I've known that for a while now.

I can tell ya now that a 10" record, t-shirt, scarf and flash drive (plus keychains and stickers) don't add up to $100. Even the box it comes in is basically one that would be used to gift sweaters or something. Nothing against the band or anything but $100 for all that isn't that great. Especially when they didn't give an option to buy anything on it's own.

Found out the record is $15 at shows btw.

[Space Suicide]

$100.00 is pricey and you're correct as the contents inside not equaling up to that price but it is a limited edition run package with some one of a kind items.

[blugel]

disappointed that no recordings have seemed to surface from the few live shows they played...

[october_midnight]

And the live videos are mostly of lesser quality on YouTube as well. They did a cover of Q. Lazzarus' "Goodbye Horses" which sounded pretty cool.

[ihatecrayons]

Is it cool if I pop back in here to again mention how badly I want them to play at Lolla? Because I seriously want/need this pretty badly.

[richardp]

Is it cool if I pop back in here to again mention how badly I want them to play at Lolla? Because I seriously want/need this pretty badly.

I feel like with them already playing Lolla Chile that it's a pretty big bet they'll be at Chicago.

[The Doctor]

disappointed that no recordings have seemed to surface from the few live shows they played...

Some recordings have surfaced, but they're all audience recorded and not very good at all...sigh. Just go poke around Deftones message board Sharing Lungs and you'll find them.

[october_midnight]

Full video of the March 28th, Los Angeles show. (http://www.theprp.com/2012/03/30/news/live-footage-of-%E2%80%A0%E2%80%A0%E2%80%A0-crosses-entire-recent-los-angeles-ca-set-available/)

Pretty decent quality too.

[AgentofChaos]

Full video of the March 28th, Los Angeles show. (http://www.theprp.com/2012/03/30/news/live-footage-of-†††-crosses-entire-recent-los-angeles-ca-set-available/)

Pretty decent quality too.


So fucking jealous. Would kill to see one of these shows. Still sour I missed out on Team Sleep. Like that they closed with The Years too, gives that set a killer finish.


Doubt they come to the East coast for a while sadly, if ever. I imagine we'll see at least one more EP and some more California dates before Chino goes back and does his Deftones thing, but who knows. Seems like they're having fun. Wonder if they'll get around to doing a full length record?

[october_midnight]

Well, the Deftones announced that their plan is to hit the studio in July so time's quickly running out.

[Space Suicide]

Well, the Deftones announced that their plan is to hit the studio in July so time's quickly running out.

Sadly but after what Diamond Eyes held in touch with I wouldn't be disappointed at all.

[richardp]

Well, the Deftones announced that their plan is to hit the studio in July so time's quickly running out.

Woah, shit, seriously? I was JUST saying yesterday how I really hope Deftones get a new album out by the end of the year.

[october_midnight]

Chino said it himself. (http://loudwire.com/deftones-to-begin-recording-in-july/)

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

More like White Pony? Hmm I am intrigued only because of the style White Pony had mixed with the later endeavors of what the band is now after 12 years. White Pony is my least favorite album from Deftones, but the direction they were taking musically I really loved.

EDIT: More Team Sleep god dammit.

[richardp]

White Pony is my least favorite album from Deftones, but the direction they were taking musically I really loved.


Woah woah there buddy. White Pony is my favorite, and I think A LOT of peoples favorite Deftones album. Let's bite our tongue. :p

[Piko]

It's no Around The Fur... It was with White Pony, where they had really began experimenting, trying new things, and it worked. Those two albums are ace.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Woah woah there buddy. White Pony is my favorite, and I think A LOT of peoples favorite Deftones album. Let's bite our tongue. :p

:D Ouch! It is definitely in my top 3 favorite albums. I don't care for some of Chinos lyrics on WP though.

[Wretchedest]

White Pony is my least favorite!

I'm a long time fan but I feel like S/T kicked off an important period of growth and diversity for them.

Like Linus and Around the Fur have very special places in my heart though.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

White Pony is my least favorite!

I'm a long time fan but I feel like S/T kicked off an important period of growth and diversity for them.

Like Linus and Around the Fur have very special places in my heart though.

Ahh I love this post. S/T is my favorite album and has been for many years. I thought it was very very well balanced. Lucky You will always be on of my favorite Deftones songs.

[richardp]

S/T is my second favorite album of theres. I absolutely do not understand why everyone hates that album so much. At all. Yet somehow there is a massive chunk of the Deftones fan base that hates that cd. It blows my mind. Definitely the darkest and heaviest (in both meanings) stuff they've ever done.

[Wretchedest]

I've seen the hate for it die out over the years as it grows on people. In fact I've seen a lot more love for it in the time surrounding the Release of Diamond eyes. You have to love that unique sound, there really is no other album that sounds like S/T. It's one of those rare moments when an artist really starts to understand what their music is about. And then in SNW abes drumming and the band's rhythms become so much more sophisticated with tracks like Ratsratsrats and Rapture. They went from being a band that just really rocked to a band with some serious technical talent.

I'm optimistic but worried for the next album. The last three have all started off really easy for them and then derailed by something really awful, and wound up taking longer than expected. Here's hoping LP7/8/9 (depending on how you look at it) is smooth sailing for them.

[richardp]

I don't know, dude. I feel like they've taken the Chi situation and made the most positive they could with it. I don't think anyone in the band is on bad terms at all, and Diamond Eyes felt and sounded like it was made effortlessly, so I bet the next one will be the same way. I have tons of faith that it will be great. The band as a whole seems to be in a really great place right now, and I cannot be more excited about that.

[Amaro]

I've re-visted both EPs a bit recently... 2>1. More mature/confident...undeniable goodness. A swell listen throughout.

EP 1 has always had "Option" going for it (BEWARE THE CHORUS), and I like Holyghost and Cross quite a bit.

I regret not going to the Pomona, CA show. YOU'RE SO STUPID.

[Space Suicide]

EP 2 is good but I find I like the songs more on the first EP. This is a Trick and Bermuda Locket are killer.

[Wretchedest]

I actually can't get into ep 2. Ep 1 is a more unique, complex album, and EP 2 seems kind of poppy and mindless to me. Still dig the shit out of ep 1 though.

[Amaro]

EP 2 is good but I find I like the songs more on the first EP. This is a Trick and Bermuda Locket are killer.

Those are the two songs that feel "immature" to me. Maybe it's the choruses that really come across as cheesy. They just never sat well with me...now I realize what were the songs that put me off from this project.


Ep 1 is a more unique, complex album, and EP 2 seems kind of poppy and mindless to me.

"mindless" lol

I don't know how that comparison fits from what I hear. I think they're both about equally spiced. Maybe the vibe in EP 2 is less varied, but musically they're dispersed almost evenly with change-up. For a while there I would forget which was which when it came to both of the EP closers...both songs fall into the same general song category. I couldn't help but notice that. It's all actually a bit uncanny to me...like all the songs could've easily been on one LP. Maybe too easily. But I'm pretty sure the songs were all written and recorded in the same time period.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Both EP's are great and stupendous. I want an EP 3 ASAP.

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

About time!

S†udio †oday

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/941702_529817587059309_1495940856_n.jpg

[Space Suicide]

Just sene it myself, didn't think of posting it. Hopefully a new EP or a full-length album.

[october_midnight]

I too saw the picture but didn't post it.

Also:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/971294_554699434571124_407723671_n.jpg

[wizfan]

Fuck, does Chino ever rest? I listened to Palms today and it was beautiful. Can't wait for more Crosses, the second EP was even better than the first one.

[Wretchedest]

I'm still partial to the first one.... easily...

but damn, Chino! You're just cranking them out lately! Glad he's keeping busy though.

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

Just sene it myself, didn't think of posting it. Hopefully a new EP or a full-length album.

Hot damn, a full length would be SIIICK. Especially if a club tour followed. If we're speculating, I'm just gonna throw all my cards out on the table.

[Millionaire]

Fuck, does Chino ever rest? I listened to Palms today and it was beautiful. Can't wait for more Crosses, the second EP was even better than the first one.
He's been really productive the past couple of years, hasn't he? I remember an interview where he says that making music is his hobby instead of playing video games or something. The remarkable thing about his voice is that it fits well with all these different types of music-heavier Deftones, melodic Palms, and electronic Crosses. I think he tweeted something about Team Sleep started up again as well.

[Piko]

He's been insanely active. By the time one thing comes out, another probably isn't too far behind.

[richardp]

Hot damn, a full length would be SIIICK. Especially if a club tour followed. If we're speculating, I'm just gonna throw all my cards out on the table.

He said something in an interview about the Palms album that the third EP has been finished since the first two were done, and will be out around Halloween. And then mentioned a full length following it. But I couldn't tell if he was saying that they were just going to package all three EPs onto one disc and throw some bonus tracks on it or if they were actually putting out a new full album. But either way, EP 3 comes in October!

[blugel]

damn, october is so far away....

[gorast]

To be honest, after the second EP came out, I was pretty convinced that Chino had abandoned Crosses, but I'm glad that I've apparently been proven wrong. Can't wait for a third EP/full-length album.

[Space Suicide]

Has anyone been following their activity on Facebook lately? They've been in the studio for weeks, and are mixing as I speak. Some new ††† shit should be dropping any time now...

I'm calling end of August or September.

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

Mmmmm. I can feel it. Can't be too far now.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/548293_566508540056880_584049481_n.jpg

[Space Suicide]

I seen it on tumblr and debated on posting it. Most likely a full length album cover.

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

I'm crossing my fingers. Ha. Aaahahaha. Hah...

[october_midnight]

I too saw it on the internet and debated posting it here.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

It's amazing how three yellow crosses on a blackscreen background can make my loins tingle with anticipation ...

Ha, my thoughts exactly. Simplicity at it's best.

[Wretchedest]

For some reason I feel like a full length would be out of character for this band. Anyone else?

[Millionaire]

I wonder what they will be doing with the old songs they haven't released, the stuff that was on their twitter videos. A couple of those sounded great. Maybe they'll mix them with the new stuff in a full length.

[neorev]

Can't wait for the new releases!
A third EP and full album???
Now that's great frigging news
I'm always playing the first two EPs.
Maybe the full release will be a combination of the best of the three EPs along with new tracks.
I guess this will be an opportunity for a physical CD release since the EPs were only digital and special edition vinyl correct?
Hell, I would pay just to have all three of the EPs on one disc.

[Space Suicide]

http://youtu.be/-8egddw_BiM

[The Reason Being]

Oh hell yes, had no idea this was coming

[fortysixand2]

So ready for this.

[eversonpoe]

that was a fucking weird trailer. i literally said, out loud, three times "this is fucking weird" while my fiancee just laughed at me.

anyway, really excited!

[Space Suicide]

The same trailer was posted and was marked as Winter 2013.

Huzzah!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2E-ZC7vY9Q&amp;feature=youtu.be

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

My jimmies. They're ALL rustled.

[r_k_f]

Wtf!?!? All my crosses stuff on spotify is gone.. Did Chino pull a Yorke?

[richardp]

Looks like Crosses are going to finally release everything on vinyl. Got this in an email this morning from ShopRadioCast. The new one is supposedly set for Nov 12.

Crosses - + 10" (http://shopradiocast.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=0e330d882c5bed49d23fa2f2c&id=59c8d75598&e=8222c87f9d)
Crosses - ++ 10" (http://shopradiocast.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=0e330d882c5bed49d23fa2f2c&id=d7eecc5773&e=8222c87f9d)
Crosses - +++ 10" (http://shopradiocast.us7.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=0e330d882c5bed49d23fa2f2c&id=35a9f29e96&e=8222c87f9d)

[eversonpoe]

Looks like Crosses are going to finally release everything on vinyl. Got this in an email this morning from ShopRadioCast. The new one is supposedly set for Nov 12.

Crosses - + 10" (http://shopradiocast.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=0e330d882c5bed49d23fa2f2c&id=59c8d75598&e=8222c87f9d)
Crosses - ++ 10" (http://shopradiocast.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=0e330d882c5bed49d23fa2f2c&id=d7eecc5773&e=8222c87f9d)
Crosses - +++ 10" (http://shopradiocast.us7.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=0e330d882c5bed49d23fa2f2c&id=35a9f29e96&e=8222c87f9d)

i can't find ANY crosses on amazon (no matter how i search) and it's really frustrating. i'm assuming these won't be sold via amazon?

[The Doctor]

i can't find ANY crosses on amazon (no matter how i search) and it's really frustrating. i'm assuming these won't be sold via amazon?

Maybe, but so far they're the only ones with purchase links. I'm sure it'll pop up more places the closer it gets to release date. I wouldn't be surprised if the official site offers some sweet bundle. I'm super excited too, but we just need patience...

[richardp]

Maybe, but so far they're the only ones with purchase links. I'm sure it'll pop up more places the closer it gets to release date. I wouldn't be surprised if the official site offers some sweet bundle. I'm super excited too, but we just need patience...

YeH I'm holding out for a bundle package from the we site. I don't feel like paying 15 per 10" off of SRC which is already a fairly shitty website.

[Wretchedest]

Its common for a lot of bands to double dip from an EP so i wouldnt be surprised. Still think its a lame practice.

[eversonpoe]

Album links posted to the ShopRadioCast site no longer work. I guess they jumped the gun.

The band just signed to Sumerian Records a few days ago. A full-length is definitely on its way. I'm just hoping they don't pull an HDTA and have a bunch of the songs from the EPs on the album proper.

is sumerian dillinger escape plan's label?

[october_midnight]

It's official:
11†12†13

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Amazon is listing both EPs for release on vinyl the same day that ††† comes out. It also comes out a day shy of KNY's one year anniversary.

This has been a monster-prolific year for Chino. He's found time to release new albums with Deftones, Palms and Crosses, in addition to touring the globe for KNY.

Trent-level prolificity. I'm totally digging it.

Once he gets Team Sleep going again, it will be 4 :D Cannot wait for new TS material. I've tracked down literally every track they put out; I never thought I would see the day that I had over 60 TS songs.

[neorev]

Once he gets Team Sleep going again, it will be 4 :D Cannot wait for new TS material. I've tracked down literally every track they put out; I never thought I would see the day that I had over 60 TS songs.

60 songs?!?! where the hell did you get these Team Sleep tracks from? I only know the album and scrapped album along with a couple of live recordings.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

60 songs?!?! where the hell did you get these Team Sleep tracks from? I only know the album and scrapped album along with a couple of live recordings.


I went on a mission one day and found an old fansite that had a whole file of demos and extended versions of some songs.. plus some I have never heard of. 63 to be exact ;)

[Wretchedest]

Theres a ton of TS material out there and the s/t is wierdly just the tip of the ice berg. Also not a definite style indicator somehow, since the bulk of the material is demos and loops that you have to dig up and can only acquire for free theres a really cool lo fi, downhome feel about the band. I still hope to hear more from them though.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Theres a ton of TS material out there and the s/t is wierdly just the tip of the ice berg. Also not a definite style indicator somehow, since the bulk of the material is demos and loops that you have to dig up and can only acquire for free theres a really cool lo fi, downhome feel about the band. I still hope to hear more from them though.

Yeaa, that lo-fi sound they have is really moody, dark, and eerie which is what Team Sleep is all about. The S/T I get lost in every time I listen to it but it's been a while so maybe tonight I might have a pre-longed TS sesh. Chino said TS is VERY much alive so once all this material he is putting out now subsides, I think that is when he will give more attention to the TS project.. cannot wait.

[uroboros]

††† debut of:

†he epilogue

https://soundcloud.com/crosses/the-epilogue

[Mutilated]

Looks like we are getting an album, as opposed to EP3. Yay! The text on the image used for this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBKAcdZ4eZo

[Space Suicide]

Looking incredibly forward to this album!

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

I can't wait for the chance to throw more money at this project. I'll have to pick up those 10" when I can afford to re-buy music I've already paid for.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Ahhhh... it is so good. Perfect cruising music to just get lost.. beautiful.

[october_midnight]

Looks like a 2 month delay for the album, now looking at 'sometime in January 2014'. They have however, also announced a new live date:

December 5 - Grand Sierra Resort - Reno, NV

[october_midnight]

New song 'Bitches Brew' via radio rip still up (YouTube vids got pulled) at this tumblr. (http://fuckyeahchinomoreno.tumblr.com/)

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

God dammit, that's so good.

I'm afraid to close my browser because I don't wanna lose it before I can figure out how to rip the audio, heh.

I has it. :D Putting it on loop while I'm at work tonight.

[Charmingly Miserable]

I know that is old news, but what do you think about Ritualz beefing on Chino?
http://livingears.com/2011/07/ritualz-†‡†-accuses-chino-moreno-of-ripping-him-off-via-crosses-†††/

[rampface]

So funny reading those comments and Deftones fans ignorance of Witch House. I don't even listen to any of that stuff and I've heard of Ritualz.

In short, of course Chino ripped him off. He started the band as the sub-genre was getting some attention (which is hilarious because it's died down now).

[Charmingly Miserable]

I don't think Crosses fall under the witch house genre. Salem, Black Ceiling, Ritualz and White Ring are more witch house than Crosses.

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

As much as someone might wanna say he ripped Ritualz off...I've gotta say, I like the way Chino and Shaun do it much more. I'm listening to Ritualz for the first time, and after a few songs, I really just can't get into it. The look, the music. It's just not appealing to me at all.

I can definitely see where the dude would be pissed, though.

[gorast]

http://www.spin.com/articles/crosses-bitches-brew-chino-moreno-stream-deftones/

Official stream of Bitches Brew, a February 11 release date, and also confirmation that † † † is just † and † † combined with five bonus tracks. Disappointing, but perhaps not unexpected.

[Zipfinator]

That's one of my favorite Crosses songs I think.

I'm getting kind of tired of these EP merged albums but to grab new fans I guess it makes sense. The BBD album at least had some production tweaks on the old songs but I don't particularly expect that in this. Has a tracklist been released?

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

That's one of my favorite Crosses songs I think.

I'm getting kind of tired of these EP merged albums but to grab new fans I guess it makes sense. The BBD album at least had some production tweaks on the old songs but I don't particularly expect that in this. Has a tracklist been released?

I found this on some forum, but I don't see it popping up anywhere else. Sounds like it fits!

Track Listing
1 this is a trick
2 telepathy
3 bitches brew
4 thholyghst
5 trophy
6 the epilogue
7 bermuda locket
8 frontiers
9 nineteen ninety four
10 option
11 nineteen eighty seven
12 blk stallion
13 cross
14 prurient
15 death bell

[Swykk]

I wish they'd done a proper studio version of the "Goodbye Horses" cover.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

5 bonus tracks?? I'll take it! Cannot wait to see the album come together.

[october_midnight]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1463717_621858531188547_1438816781_n.jpg

[gorast]

††† is available for pre-order on iTunes as of right now. The Epilogue and Bitches Brew are also available as part of the album download and separately.

I'm still annoyed that this isn't a "true" studio album, but The Epilogue on its own has sold me. Been on repeat since it came out, easily in my top three from them.

[PhoenixML]

So let me get this straight: there are only 3 more songs to be revealed? Including an instrumental (assuming it's like the other EP)?

God I miss it when artist could release their album when they were ready on the internet and not wait the usual three months forced by the "big" company. It seems like this method never really took off.

[gorast]

So let me get this straight: there are only 3 more songs to be revealed? Including an instrumental (assuming it's like the other EP)?

God I miss it when artist could release their album when they were ready on the internet and not wait the usual three months forced by the "big" company. It seems like this method never really took off.

I don't know about one being an instrumental - none of the titles sound like instrumental titles to me (1994, blk stallion, death bell).

I am annoyed by the delay, though. What's the point? Clearly the songs are done. 11/11 would've been such a perfect release date, too.

[AgentofChaos]

I'm hoping it was to give them time to get a little tour organized to promote the release. That would be be sweet.

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/crosses-conjure-up-ghosts-in-bi-ches-brew-20131125

Just gonna post the premiere link for anyone too lazy to dig it up. There's pre-order info in the video description, including vinyls and posters and shirts and stuff.

Poster and double vinyl for 25 bucks? Yes, please.

[cahernandez]

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/crosses-conjure-up-ghosts-in-bi-ches-brew-20131125

Just gonna post the premiere link for anyone too lazy to dig it up. There's pre-order info in the video description, including vinyls and posters and shirts and stuff.

Poster and double vinyl for 25 bucks? Yes, please.

This is one of the bestest videos I've seen in a while. This is a reminder that a music video can still be a companion piece of art and not just a commercial for an album. Awesome.

[fortysixand2]

A couple of tour dates announced
12/5/13 - Reno, NV - Grand Sierra Resort - http://www.krzqradio.com/ConcertCalendar/KRZQ-s-Oh-Snow-You-Didn-t-/17413878
1/14/14 - Chicago, IL - House of Blues - http://www.q877.com/events/queued-up-with-crosses/

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

And another date! January 10th in St. Louis, at Pop's.

http://www.1057thepoint.com/Concert-Calendar/Details.aspx?ConcertID=190460

Even MORE tempting than the Chicago show. I think this one might actually be possible, but part of me wants to hold out in hopes for a Kansas City show.

[october_midnight]

2 † 11 † 14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUbYXP5erwk&feature=youtu.be

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

I love how dark, creepy, and erie vibe this group has. It literally just sucks you right in and never lets go.. I cannot wait to hear the new tracks! I've already compiled what songs are available with the track listing.. loving it.

[fortysixand2]

Jan 11 - Nashville, TN - Cannery Ballroom - http://thecanneryballroom.com/calendar/venue/cannery/2014/01/11/-crosses-with-special-guests/
Jan 13 - Pontiac, MI - Crofoot Ballroom - http://www.thecrofoot.com/events/2400.html

[lady weetly]

I'm currently in a promoting contest for the Chicago show and so far I'm at #3 (win a free shirt), but I'm aiming for #1 (getting a M&G). If you guys could click this link, or even buy a ticket if you've been on the fence on going, because that will get me closer to meeting Chino if you buy it through this link: http://www.jamplify.com/e02721
Totally legit, the band posted it facebook days ago (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=645227258851674&set=a.265034250204312.62557.185210694853335&type=1&stream_ref=10). :) Much thanks in advance, been listening since the first EP and so excited that Chicago's finally getting a show!

[r_k_f]

Up on Spotify.... Good stuff. I love Chino's lyrics and a great overall dark vibe throughout.

[spiralout]

https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/p403x403/1800402_657420470965686_967498686_n.jpg

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Cannot wait for the show in NYC on the 13th! They picked probably the smallest venue in New York and with no warning for the show so the tickets sold out in like 3 minutes the first time around... thank goodness they booked another date!

And I was able to get my hands on the remaining three tracks we haven't heard yet.

Nineteen Ninety Four
Blk Stallion
Death Bell

All are freaking great like I thought they would be.

EDIT: Posted above... the whole album is on Spotify, but I was able to get MP3's.

[Amaro]

And I was able to get my hands on the remaining three tracks we haven't heard yet.

Nineteen Ninety Four
Blk Stallion
Death Bell

All are freaking great like I thought they would be.

EDIT: Posted above... the whole album is on Spotify, but I was able to get MP3's.

Where can I get these LP-exclusive tracks in .mp3?

Wink...

[all3n_y]

The full album is on spotify! You can also find it at that "pirate" site.

[Deadpool]

Cannot wait for the show in NYC on the 13th! They picked probably the smallest venue in New York and with no warning for the show so the tickets sold out in like 3 minutes the first time around... thank goodness they booked another date!

That Santos Party House date came out of nowhere! Glad I didn't hesitate too much (still kinda surprised I was able to snag tix for my brother and I). I'm a big fan of that venue, so I'm psyched. I like the Music Hall of Williamsburg, too, but Santos is more intimate and fun to me.

Looking forward to hearing the new songs, and hearing the old ones in this new album context/order!

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

That Santos Party House date came out of nowhere! Glad I didn't hesitate too much (still kinda surprised I was able to snag tix for my brother and I). I'm a big fan of that venue, so I'm psyched. I like the Music Hall of Williamsburg, too, but Santos is more intimate and fun to me.

Looking forward to hearing the new songs, and hearing the old ones in this new album context/order!

Ha! It really did. I went on their Facebook, and saw the statue of liberty post and was like wtf?!? What I found pretty cool was they tagged me and about 20 other people in the next teaser for the second night announcement since we all bitched nicely about it ;). Santos is a good place, but I was like, "Really??". Just glad I get to see them live finally.

I'm reallllyyy enjoying "Blk Stallion" right now.. so smooth.

[The Doctor]

I see it on Spotify, but everything expect "The Epilogue" is greyed out! Was it put up accidentally and now gone? Or is it just me having problems?

[october_midnight]

Album will also be streaming on Pitchfork Advance some time later today.

[gorast]

The white version of the vinyl release is delayed to the end of the month. Crosses sent out emails giving three options for people (like me) who'd ordered the white vinyl:

1. Cancel and get a refund
2. Get a free copy of the CD to be shipped out immediately while you wait
3. Get the "charcoal" colored version instead

Also, they sent out a free digital download of the album, as if it's not already all over the Internet. These are much nicer gestures than when the Dragon Tattoo box was delayed sixteen times, at least.

[darksiren82]

Album will also be streaming on Pitchfork Advance some time later today.
I'm a little late to the party on this one. However, as a Deftones/Chino Moreno fan, I gave it a first listen tonight and loved it.

[Wretchedest]

New stuff is pretty good! Didnt like the second one so much, but this one brougbt me right back to the table!

[Amaro]

First impression: the album drags on. Having the two entire EPs featured in this track listing ruined the album experience for me.

Blk Stallion is the only new song I think I actually like.

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

First impression: the album drags on. Having the two entire EPs featured in this track listing ruined the album experience for me.

Blk Stallion is the only new song I think I actually like.

That's kinda how I feel. I would've much rather had either a third EP, or a full album with much more new material on it. Having a full-length with 10 songs I've already played to death makes it feel less like an album and more like a compilation of the band's catalog.

Are the new songs going to be released on vinyl in EP form, like the other 10 songs? If so, I may try to get the EPs first, since I imagine those will be harder to find as time goes on...I can always order the full album from the site later.

[Space Suicide]

It seems as if everyone all agrees, as do I, about the inclusion of the first two EPs on this debut album dulling it down. The first two EPs are great but this needed to be a third Ep or a brand new full track listing LP.

[gorast]

I got over the disappointment of it not being a full-length album of new material back when the tracklist was announced. The Epilogue is a great track, and so are 1994 and Death Bell.

The album does kind of feel like it drags along, though. They probably should've just done a third EP, because this feels like "here's everything we've got, bye" to me.

[Soma]

As someone who had only heard the first EP, I was mostly pleased with this full-length. I liked Death Bell, but IMO it doesn't really sit well as the closing track.

[Harry Seaward]

Are †he †rack †i†les 'officially' s†ylized wi†h †he crosses in place of †he T's s†ill? My music library †ags need †o know.

[Space Suicide]

Are †he †rack †i†les 'officially' s†ylized wi†h †he crosses in place of †he T's s†ill? My music library †ags need †o know.

Yes, they are.

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

Fuck that stylistic stuff. It's a pain finding Trophy and This is a Trick and Cross when I have to go by the second letter every time.

[Wretchedest]

I gave it a more thorough listen, as an ep btw, i wrote this thing off as a full album on sight for some reason, and I think its just the bees knees! Grade A Chino!

Nineteen Ninety Four is like that perfect sweetspot between Palms and Team Sleep, that reverby trip hop ppst something feel. Just dig ep 3 in general, their best so far.

[wizfan]

The album does kind of feel like it drags along, though. They probably should've just done a third EP, because this feels like "here's everything we've got, bye" to me.

This. I could have done without the pre-existing tracks, it simply didn't gel to me as a full album. The sequencing was just... odd. The new tracks are amazing. The one old track they should have added somewhere is "The Years". It's an excellent track.

[ZeroSum]

I am enjoying this immensely. I was a fan of both EP's, but really just played them each a handful of times. Hearing them all in an album format has made it feel fresh to me, but that probably has a lot to do with the fact that it's been at least a year and a half or so since I've really listened to anything from this project. Bitches Brew is fucking fantastic. I love Chino.

[richardp]

I personally feel like, even though EPs 1 and 2 are now pretty dated, hearing them both together with added material as one whole item works a lot better than the two EPs. Granted this is probably my least favorite of Chino's many projects, but this album still sounds great front to back. Would really love a full length tour for it, but I have a feeling that won't happen, similar to the Palms project.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Even though the tracks are outdated, I find them to hold a lot of replay value. The album as a whole really works for me since it pretty much is a mellow/chill/vibey album as it is. Sitting back and smoking a blunt or whatever is your preference to this album, or just enjoying it and kicking back is the type of music this is to me. I guess for me, it reminds me a lot of Team Sleep (Which is my favorite side project of Chino) so that's why I was able to dive right in.

The Epilogue, Blk Stallion, Death Bell, and Thholyghst.

[The Doctor]

To those who think the album drags on with the inclusion of old tracks, here's a fun game:

If you could trim it down to 10-12 tracks, what would they be, and in what sequence! Maybe we can find some cool new ways to listen to it.

I'll throw in my $0.02 as soon as I hear the whole album...

[ZeroSum]

Honestly, the instrumentals don't work super well here for me. I liked how they closed the EP's, but it kinda slows down the album a bit too much in my opinion. I'd just take those three tracks out and leave it as is... though I guess I would also be up for bringing Option further up in the track list. It just seems like an early album song to me.

[scotty79]

Blk stallion is absolutely superb, not listened to it all yet but this song has already been repeated a few times

[fortysixand2]

Blk stallion is absolutely superb, not listened to it all yet but this song has already been repeated a few times

Agreed. Easily one of the best tracks on the album!

[Amaro]

Maybe I'm just not into Chino that much lately, but I also feel this whole sound of theirs worked better in shorter doses, as it was in the EPs.

That said, I do at least like the majority of the album. By my standards, I will apparently be buying this thing.

Telepathy
Thholyghst
Trophy
Frontiers
Option
1987
Blk Stallion
Cross
Prurient
Death Bell

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

So awesome, Color Film (Daryl Palumbo's side project) is supporting for both NYC dates :D This is fabulous news! Man I cannot wait for Thursday!

[eversonpoe]

So awesome, Color Film (Daryl Palumbo's side project) is supporting for both NYC dates :D This is fabulous news! Man I cannot wait for Thursday!

ahhhhh i didn't know he had a new side project!!! any good? (i mean, duh...but how good?)

[Reznor2112]

For real though…The Epilogue is some sexy shit.

[october_midnight]

Not sure if posted yet, but they're tonight's musical guest on Jimmy Kimmel.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

ahhhhh i didn't know he had a new side project!!! any good? (i mean, duh...but how good?)

They're pretty dam good in my ears man. It's nothing like glassjaw or Head Automatica.. it's groovy, and downright mellow. Check out their single "Bad Saint".. It makes you want to be on a hammock on a tropical beach.

[ImTheWiseJanitor]

Interesting. I was looking up the album track listing on wikipedia (haven't gotten around to getting the album yet, probably this weekend) and noticed the pattern of the tracks. Nothing special, but it was clearly intentional, or just a really weird coincidence.



1.
"This Is a Trick"
EP 1



2.
"Telepathy"
EP 2


3.
"Bitches Brew"




4.
"Thholyghst"
EP 1



5.
"Trophy"
EP 2



6.
"The Epilogue"




7.
"Bermuda Locket"
EP 1



8.
"Frontiers"
EP 2



9.
"Nineteen Ninety Four"




10.
"Option"
EP 1



11.
"Nineteen Eighty Seven"
EP 2



12.
"Blk Stallion"




13.
"Cross"
EP 1



14.
"Prurient"
EP 2



15.
"Death Bell"



At least the tracks aren't in the same order they are on each EP.

[gorast]

Oh wow, I never noticed that. Interesting.

[october_midnight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH1V6xuDWbM

Also, Pitchfork didn't care for the album. (http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/18989-crosses-/)

[r_k_f]

5.0 from pitchfork...lol I hate pitchfork's reviews. actually had the nerve to say "Chino embarrasses himself here, quite often" what a cock bag..

[The Doctor]

5.0 from pitchfork...lol I hate pitchfork's reviews. actually had the nerve to say "Chino embarrasses himself here, quite often" what a cock bag..

UGH. The guy in that review is a prick. Instead of the typical over-blown hyperbole filled writing they get what sounds like a disgruntled old school Deftones fan to rant about it. I mean the guy even takes a moment to take a jab at Reznor's lyrics and incorrectly Gahan since Gore writes the lyrics. He sounds like some dude-bro that hates electronic mixing with his rock and the type that looks down on goth kids and other niche groups.

Personally I love the instrumentation AND Chino's vocal delivery on all of the Crosses material.

Pitchfork were the ones who hosted a stream of the album in advance! And just like with HTDA, they turn around and trash it afterwards. I know to praise anything they stream would be bias, but I dunno, get somebody who's not going to shit on it completely...it's like streaming something on Pitchfork is a deal with the devil. Gain exposure to a wide audience, but suffer at the hands of Pitchfork's asshole reviewers.

[scorpiusdiamond]

Glad they performed inside on Kimmel. The outside performances lack real atmosphere. Although is Chino still cupping the mic after how many years? Jeeeze, learn proper mic technique already dude!

[r_k_f]

UGH. The guy in that review is a prick. Instead of the typical over-blown hyperbole filled writing they get what sounds like a disgruntled old school Deftones fan to rant about it. I mean the guy even takes a moment to take a jab at Reznor's lyrics and incorrectly Gahan since Gore writes the lyrics. He sounds like some dude-bro that hates electronic mixing with his rock and the type that looks down on goth kids and other niche groups.

Personally I love the instrumentation AND Chino's vocal delivery on all of the Crosses material.

Pitchfork were the ones who hosted a stream of the album in advance! And just like with HTDA, they turn around and trash it afterwards. I know to praise anything they stream would be bias, but I dunno, get somebody who's not going to shit on it completely...it's like streaming something on Pitchfork is a deal with the devil. Gain exposure to a wide audience, but suffer at the hands of Pitchfork's asshole reviewers. I agree 110%

[richardp]

UGH. The guy in that review is a prick. Instead of the typical over-blown hyperbole filled writing they get what sounds like a disgruntled old school Deftones fan to rant about it. I mean the guy even takes a moment to take a jab at Reznor's lyrics and incorrectly Gahan since Gore writes the lyrics. He sounds like some dude-bro that hates electronic mixing with his rock and the type that looks down on goth kids and other niche groups.

Personally I love the instrumentation AND Chino's vocal delivery on all of the Crosses material.

Pitchfork were the ones who hosted a stream of the album in advance! And just like with HTDA, they turn around and trash it afterwards. I know to praise anything they stream would be bias, but I dunno, get somebody who's not going to shit on it completely...it's like streaming something on Pitchfork is a deal with the devil. Gain exposure to a wide audience, but suffer at the hands of Pitchfork's asshole reviewers.

Technically if anyone at Pitchfork is qualified to write about Crosses its Ian Cohen because he often still tweets about Deftones and how he's a fan. And if you actually read the entire review, at the end he basically states that even though he feels it's an embarrassing misstep for Chino, he can't fault the guy because he's just "that friend who get's overly excited about something" and admires that Chino doesn't want his Deftones fame making Crosses more successful. Ian Cohen is hands down Pitchfork's best writer. I personally think that album deserves much higher than a 5.0 but just because he's a Deftones fan, doesn't mean he is required to like everything that Chino does. And just because Pitchfork streams an album doesn't mean they are required to BNM it, either.

Pitchfork pisses me off almost all the time, but his review was fair as hell. No reason to talk shit on it.

[Madmya]

It's an album review, i.e. the biggest waste of time on the planet. I only go to Pitchfork when I want to get angry. They gave The Fragile WHAT?!

[Deadpool]

Saw the band at Santos Party House in NYC tonight, and it was pretty great!

Got the live debut of "Blk Stallion" which was a highlight, but I think my favorite of the evening was "Telepathy" - sounded exceptional live. "Option" was great, too, and is probably my favorite Crosses song still.

Don't know if this has become a regular thing, but I was pleasantly surprised to hear "Goodbye Horses" during the encore! Leave it to Chino...

[armogi]

got the CD today, listening to it on a decent stereo and it sounds great, listening to music on crappy computer speakers doesn't do it justice...
I did not really listened to the EPs that much so it works for me as an album.
Chino delivers yet again.

[gorast]

They sounded much better on Kimmel than NIN did a few months ago. Same problems with the mix (seriously, who the hell does that?), but they performed great. Doesn't hurt that The Epilogue is one of their best songs, too.

[eversonpoe]

Although is Chino still cupping the mic after how many years? Jeeeze, learn proper mic technique already dude!

you know, i wondered for a while about that, but i'm pretty sure he does it very intentionally. even on studio recordings, his vocals almost always have that filtered quality that you get from cupping the mic, so i think that's just how he wants his voice to sound.

[r_k_f]

Technically if anyone at Pitchfork is qualified to write about Crosses its Ian Cohen because he often still tweets about Deftones and how he's a fan. And if you actually read the entire review, at the end he basically states that even though he feels it's an embarrassing misstep for Chino, he can't fault the guy because he's just "that friend who get's overly excited about something" and admires that Chino doesn't want his Deftones fame making Crosses more successful. Ian Cohen is hands down Pitchfork's best writer. I personally think that album deserves much higher than a 5.0 but just because he's a Deftones fan, doesn't mean he is required to like everything that Chino does. And just because Pitchfork streams an album doesn't mean they are required to BNM it, either.

Pitchfork pisses me off almost all the time, but his review was fair as hell. No reason to talk shit on it. blah... him being a huge Deftones fan is probably why it's such a shitty review. His bias is blinding him.. stop comparing it to Deftones, it's not supposed to be Deftones, it's supposed to be Crosses. I also can't stand when reviewers take lyrics out of the context and structure of the music it's accompanying "The first line on “†his is a †rick” is “something’s changed in your face I notice/ a different sparkle in those crazy eyes,” and from that moment going forward, Moreno’s guyliner’d leering just puts you on the defensive".. Ian's "guyliner" reference, "stadium-status electro-rock shit" reference to NIN and overall bashing of things that aren't relevant to this album rub me the wrong way. Fair review, I think not.

[The Doctor]

Technically if anyone at Pitchfork is qualified to write about Crosses its Ian Cohen because he often still tweets about Deftones and how he's a fan.

Just because he's a Deftones fan it doesn't make him the right person to review it. In this instance it gives him a bias against it, comparing to a completely different project. Comparisons are bound to happen, but that doesn't mean I think they're fair.


And if you actually read the entire review, at the end he basically states that even though he feels it's an embarrassing misstep for Chino, he can't fault the guy because he's just "that friend who get's overly excited about something" and admires that Chino doesn't want his Deftones fame making Crosses more successful.

I did read the entire review, but thanks for assuming I didn't. Sure he says he doesn't fault him, but the way he puts it is pretty damn condescending.


Ian Cohen is hands down Pitchfork's best writer.

I guess so, if you mean he writes sensible sentences not over-stuffed with pretentious metaphors and actually concentrates on talking about the album instead of some weird tangent that most of their reviews become. But then that's not a high standard to accomplish in my book...


And just because Pitchfork streams an album doesn't mean they are required to BNM it, either.

I know, that's why I prefaced my compliant about it by saying pretty much the same thing in my post.


Pitchfork pisses me off almost all the time, but his review was fair as hell. No reason to talk shit on it.

I have just as much right to talk shit about the review as he does to talk shit about the Crosses album or you do to disagree with my ire.

[r_k_f]

I just went back and read his Palms review, and while he isn't as much of a dick, his problem with it again, seems to be that it's not Deftones lol..

[The Doctor]

Just to throw some positivity in here, here's some iPhone 5s wallpapers I made...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/aq24ssv4yphughk/Crosses1 iphone5s.jpeg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/aq24ssv4yphughk/Crosses1 iphone5s.jpeg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/u5gwlyl611su4m4/Crosses2 iphone5s.jpeg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/u5gwlyl611su4m4/Crosses2 iphone5s.jpeg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nm6ah3e8enpwlqn/Crosses3 iphone5s.jpeg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nm6ah3e8enpwlqn/Crosses3 iphone5s.jpeg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2osa9n1getg1r17/crossesLP iphone5s.jpeg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2osa9n1getg1r17/crossesLP iphone5s.jpeg

[r_k_f]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExAXJdQQuzc

[r_k_f]

Bitches Brew from the Kimmel Show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP7BDgrea4M&amp;list=UUlnVDgibuCtsrdzIs0LlGlw&amp; feature=c4-overview

[richardp]

Just because he's a Deftones fan it doesn't make him the right person to review it. In this instance it gives him a bias against it, comparing to a completely different project. Comparisons are bound to happen, but that doesn't mean I think they're fair.



I did read the entire review, but thanks for assuming I didn't. Sure he says he doesn't fault him, but the way he puts it is pretty damn condescending.



I guess so, if you mean he writes sensible sentences not over-stuffed with pretentious metaphors and actually concentrates on talking about the album instead of some weird tangent that most of their reviews become. But then that's not a high standard to accomplish in my book...



I know, that's why I prefaced my compliant about it by saying pretty much the same thing in my post.



I have just as much right to talk shit about the review as he does to talk shit about the Crosses album or you do to disagree with my ire.

If YOU like the album, what do you care what Ian Cohen or anyone else at Pitchfork thinks of it?

[The Doctor]

If YOU like the album, what do you care what Ian Cohen or anyone else at Pitchfork thinks of it?

In the grand scheme of things I don't. But this is a discussion board. Someone mentioned the review and I gave my opinion just like you gave yours. We're discussing. I'm just not a fan of being taken to task because I stated my opinion about the review. If we weren't interested in discussion of art and art critique, specifically about music, we wouldn't be here in the first place. So let's just discuss.

My grey marbled vinyl came in and it looks great. I ordered from the record label and got a poster too, did anyone who bought it in a store get a poster? It's just a standard medium sized poster with the album art on it, but still a pretty nifty bonus I wasn't expecting.

[screwdriver]

But watching those JKL clips, Chino is back to his bloated SNW days, weight-wise. Seriously, you can't tell where his neck ends and his head begins. It's no wonder he unbuttoned the top of his shirt for Bitches Brew, unless it burst when he was moving around..

shaun is is packing a sizable gut under his leather jacket, too!

I can't facepalm you enough

[halo33]

I just saw them at Santos Party House on Wednesday and it was GREAT. They played pretty much the whole record and a cover of "Goodbye Horses". They sounded tight as hell. Their drummer and bassist in particular were frickin amazing!

And, no, Chino is nowhere near his SNW weight. (not that it matters) He looked great, seemed genuinely happy, and I don't think I've ever heard his voice sound so spot on. (seen Deftones a dozen times since 1995 and Team Sleep twice)

The album is great, and unfortunately, I imagine this shitty NYC weather has prevented me from receiving my vinyl in the mail.

[Deadpool]

I just saw them at Santos Party House on Wednesday and it was GREAT. They sounded tight as hell. Their drummer and bassist in particular were frickin amazing!

It was Dino from Dredg on drums! :)



And, no, Chino is nowhere near his SNW weight. (not that it matters) He looked great, seemed genuinely happy, and I don't think I've ever heard his voice sound so spot on.

Yeah, I thought Chino looked good. He was certainly very animated (as usual) and his voice sounded fucking awesome. He killed it on "This is a Trick."

[halo33]

It was Dino from Dredg on drums! :)


No shit?! Really? I had no idea! Hah! I even said whats up to him after the show. I haven't seen Dredg since they played at the Continental! (RIP)

[ChasingTheGhost]

I bought the album yesterday and I saw they're gonna be in my city tonight. Was gonna buy a ticket but it was all sold out. Too bad I got into them late.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

The show Thursday night in Brooklyn was everything I was expecting! It was a treat to see Color Film live and hear some new and more upbeat songs from them. Of course you get the trolls shouting "GLASSJAW".. man is that annoying.. but overall the crowd was great. I was surprised on how heavy "The Years" sounded live compared to the studio version. Chino sounded on point and was having a lot of fun on stage; he seemed very stoked on the reaction of the crowd. Really hope we get another album from these guys.




http://i608.photobucket.com/albums/tt163/fearlessflyer930/20140214_000020.jpg



http://i608.photobucket.com/albums/tt163/fearlessflyer930/20140214_000523.jpg

[think i'm a fire engine]

If YOU like the album, what do you care what Ian Cohen or anyone else at Pitchfork thinks of it?

It matters because, as a reviewer, you still need to treat the material you are reviewing with some mild bit of respect even if you ultimately give it a negative review. This review came off as very condescending and insulting to the band. And while I'm not too terribly enthused by this band to be honest, they don't deserve that kind of treatment.

[Jinsai]

It matters because, as a reviewer, you still need to treat the material you are reviewing with some mild bit of respect

No, you don't

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Lol

Just stating the obvious. Remember that time Deftones promoted SNW on Letterman or one of those late night shows and they sang 'Hole In The Earth', and it sounded like Chino's vocal cords were being strangled by his neck fat? I got flashbacks of that during certain parts of the JKL 'Bitches Brew' performance :eek:

Well, most performances on Kimmel sound like shit anyway. I just saw them in Brooklyn and Chino was spot on with this vocals, not to mention doing an amazing job with "The Years", which was ten times heavier with the live version they did and his screaming vocals were a treat to hear. Everyone has their off days, but the 2 times I have seen Deftones and now Crosses... I have never been disappointed.

[Space Suicide]

So after enough listens, bi†ches brew, †his is a †rick, bermuda locke†, The Years and prurient† are my favorite tracks.

Need more for late 2014!

[Madmya]

What? Option and thholyghost are the best tracks ya flamin' galah!

[Space Suicide]

What? Option and thholyghost are the best tracks ya flamin' galah!

Op†ion is good but not a huge fan of †hholyghos†.

[think i'm a fire engine]

No, you don't
You really do. This isn't Miley Cyrus we're talking about here. These are all professional, influential musicians that happened to put out an album together that he didn't find compelling. There was absolutely no need to stoop to the level of "guyliner" and "y wsnt thur more skremmin".

[richardp]

You really do. This isn't Miley Cyrus we're talking about here. These are all professional, influential musicians that happened to put out an album together that he didn't find compelling. There was absolutely no need to stoop to the level of "guyliner" and "y wsnt thur more skremmin".

But if you need to treat all music reviews with respect, wouldn't it be hypocritical of you to assume you didn't need to treat Miley's album with respect? Seriously, guys, a guy didn't like the album. It's not the end of the world. Quit acting like it's so offensive that someone didn't praise an album that you all love. I love the shit out of that album. Do I care that Pitchfork didn't like it? No. Because it's one guy's opinion. It is not Pitchfork's job to praise an album because they've promoted it. It is their job to write their opinions about what they are listening to. Not to please that band's fan base.

[Madmya]

They really should have had Frontiers or Prurient as the second track. Telepathy kills the start.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

I agree, to an extent. I saw Deftones three times in the span of a month just before KNY was released and Chino killed it each night.

He was also nowhere near as hefty during those shows as he is now. I'm not slamming him on his weight because he can really do no wrong in my eyes, but he sounds noticeably gassed in those JKL clips, just like he did in the SNW days when he was heavier. I'm glad to hear the Brooklyn show was good because I'm planning to see them very soon.

I hear ya. After watching the video again, I notice what you're saying now. Luckily whatever band I have heard him in live has been good so far! The last couple of clips I have seen of him playing in Crosses, he seems to be very excited and lively which is a good thing.

[FernandoDante]

Telepathy is the fucking best.

[Madmya]

Fair dinkum? I cringe when I hear it, but if people like it then I can live with it.

[gorast]

Is the white vinyl version of the album actually out? NYRexall mentioned he had one in the vinyl collectors thread, but I may have misinterpreted it. It hasn't arrived at my apartment yet, at least.

[r_k_f]

But if you need to treat all music reviews with respect, wouldn't it be hypocritical of you to assume you didn't need to treat Miley's album with respect? Seriously, guys, a guy didn't like the album. It's not the end of the world. Quit acting like it's so offensive that someone didn't praise an album that you all love. I love the shit out of that album. Do I care that Pitchfork didn't like it? No. Because it's one guy's opinion. It is not Pitchfork's job to praise an album because they've promoted it. It is their job to write their opinions about what they are listening to. Not to please that band's fan base. I think you're missing the point.. I don't think anyone really has had an issue with it being a bad review, just what he states as being problematic. Most "professional" reviewers (I use that term loosely) wouldn't accuse an artist of "embarrassing themselves" unless of coarse they actually did something TMZ worthy. As I said before, his biggest problem with Crosses is that it's not Deftones.

[AgentofChaos]

Finally got a chance to listen to the record. I had actually put off listening to any of the new stuff prior to this, so hearing The Epilogue and Bitches Brew for the first time made it a cool experiece. I quite enjoyed the first EP, wasn't a huge fan of the 2nd, but was hoping this would bring it home. Thankfully it did, very much in the way I felt about Welcome Oblivion from HTDA. actually. Thought their first EP showed some promise and potential, the second release was a bit of step back, but once everything came together in the end it ultimately blew me away.

I never had any of the prior stuff on heavy repeat anyway, and I had taken a long break from it as well, so even the stuff I knew felt relatively fresh and I wasn't attached to the prior tracklists like some might have been. Overall I thought as an album it gave a much better picture of the nature of the band, and was sequenced extremely well. I loved the vibe here from start to finish. It was a ton of fun and one of the more romantic of his works to be honest. I saw it as this kind of 80's gothic valentine. To that reviewer who said Chino embarrassed himself, well if his definition of that is exposing yourself emotionally, then ok if that's not what your looking for but I definitely found it to be a pleasant surprise. Chino's work in all his bands has always been extremely raw emotionally, but I felt there was a softer side shown here that he hasn't fully explored before. It was a risk and one that will surely piss off some his hardcore metal fans, but pretty sure he's never given a fuck about that image to start with.

After listening this record, I will say I enjoyed it more than Team Sleep, and while not as instrumentally proficient as Palms, it had more heart, which makes this my favorite Chino side project to date (though I've liked them all in their own way).

Here's hoping one of the 7 dates teaser posted on their site over the weekend includes some east coast cities.

[october_midnight]

April 02 - Venue - Vancouver, BC

Can I get a whoop de whoop?

[synyster]

Picked up tickets to see them in Dallas @trees. Can't wait for the show. The crosses stuff just clicked for me.

[LaneSax]

really enjoy the album. one of those albums with no fillers.

[The Doctor]

Saw them last night in San Antonio and had a blast. Chino was in a great mood with an ear-to-ear grin the entire time. All the songs sound great live. If you even marginally like them, I recommend seeing them live if they come near your town.

[cahernandez]

Saw them last night in San Antonio and had a blast. Chino was in a great mood with an ear-to-ear grin the entire time. All the songs sound great live. If you even marginally like them, I recommend seeing them live if they come near your town.

Going to see them in Seattle in 2.5 weeks :)

[LaneSax]

video for The Epilogue


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16ptWIZ36F4

[october_midnight]

Wow, was this a fucking amazing show last night..holy shit they were on.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1.0-9/1979627_10153966142975468_852964750_n.jpg

[cahernandez]

I saw them in Seattle last night. Their drummer is RIPPED! I could count different muscles in his arms while he was DESTROYING the drum kit at the end of The Years, awesome screaming by Chino in that song. Chuck Doom is also one groovy fucker, I didn't expect him to be so lively. Going back to the drummer: it was so much fun watching him perform. I definitely don't know anything about drumming, but his patterns looked weird, the way he hit the drums, nothing conventional...it reminded me of Josh Freese. I wish they had played Death Bell...I don't know why they didn't perform it, I was kinda expecting them to close with this song. Nonetheless, The Years was a good way to finish their concert. Their merch was not that exciting and didn't get anything. I wanted to buy a tshirt, but black tees don't do anything for me these days.

About the opener, JMSN, I was really impressed! Does anyone know more about them? The singer kinda looked like Jesus Christ (and his clothes kinda helped this image) and he sang amazing! Great voice, the guy could definitely sing. The bass player and drummer were so into it, very energetic performance and amazing ending. Came back home and checked their Wikipedia page, according to it, it's an R&B band. When their set finished last night I thought to myself: "This is how pop music should sound like!". Bought their Priscilla album when their set was over and ran into the signer, I shook his hand, great dude. I could tell he was still in another dimension/pumped up from his performance. Another newb question: JMSN has an EP and an LP out, and both titles have crosses signs on both ends of the title (†Priscilla† (https://www.google.com/search?espv=210&es_sm=93&q=jmsn+%E2%80%A0priscilla%E2%80%A0&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDgzEHnxCXfq6-QbplVVJxlRKYXWGal2NcqSWenWyln1tanJmsn1hUkllcYpWYk1 SaW8x4n8mP29xoU5-6l3uAwLUyvaU7SgATLE88UAAAAA&sa=X&ei=m90-U8-OHerWyQH8j4HIAQ&ved=0CKIBEJsTKAIwFA) & †Pllajë† (https://www.google.com/search?espv=210&es_sm=93&q=jmsn+%E2%80%A0pllaj%C3%AB%E2%80%A0&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDgzEHnxCXfq6-QbplVVJxlRKYXWViaVxgqiWenWyln1tanJmsn1hUkllcYpWYk1 SaW2zS0nVWvfvo5DvRcr-W7Ww84ryK8QsAoYU3QVAAAAA&sa=X&ei=m90-U8-OHerWyQH8j4HIAQ&ved=0CKMBEJsTKAMwFA)), does any of you know why is this? What's with the crosses (with JMSN and with Crosses)? I remember reading in this board that the symbol is associated with the witch house movement and well, at that point I felt like Homer Simpson in the Hulabalooza episode, what the hell is a witch house? After further reading I learned that neither do Crosses nor JMSN are part of the witch house genre. Kids these days...Will post pictures of the show later.

[cahernandez]

Los Cruces en Seattle:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7077/13677831453_38844b998a_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7410/13677833873_b04f8b09b0_b.jpg

[october_midnight]

05/10 St. Louis, MO – Pointfest
05/11 Cleveland, OH – House Of Blues
05/12 Pittsburgh, PA – Altar Bar
05/13 Boston, MA – Paradise Rock Club
05/14 Philadelphia, PA – Theater Of The Living Arts
05/15 Charlotte, NC – The Fillmore
05/17 Wilmington, NC – Ziggy’s

New 4 song Live EP. (http://www.daytrotter.com/#!/concert/crosses/21021111-37385656)