Professional Wrestling

[Space Suicide]

I. Want. Balloons.

[thevoid99]

Tonight's RAW was lame except for CM Punk's celebration, Dean Ambrose, and AJ and Cena kissing although... I would've love to see that picture that Vickie claims to have.

[Piko]

The AJ/Cena kiss seemed awkward, heh. That, or he's a bad kisser.

[henryeatscereal]

Awkward indeed...

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/767/441/cena_aj_kiss3crop_display_image.jpg?1353380790

[thevoid99]

I also noticed that when Cena was chasing Ziggler, he must've tripped or something.

[henryeatscereal]

This image almost made me lose my job... (it was worth it!)

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/8014/54690155354878132625820.jpg

[thevoid99]

Damn... AJ's got a real nice ass. I wanna tap that!

[Warped_Savant]

Yes, Cena hurt his knee, not as bad as they say he did.
Yes, that kiss was so awkward it was horrible.
Yes, AJ's ass is amazing!

[henryeatscereal]

Hoooooooooooooly!

http://i.imgur.com/IE3qG.gif

[spiralout]

^^^^ wooow. too bad we've been subjected to Cena swallowing her face on a weekly basis.

Anyway, The Shield anyone? Looks promising.

[thevoid99]

I think the Shield has way more promise if they give them good writing and good motivation. Anything has to be better than that lame 3MB.

[S. Chonson]

Seth Rollins rules. Don't know about those other 2 jobbers.

[Callahan]

Even though unfortunate things happened to Chris Benoit and his family. The Our Lady Peace song used for his entrance is still one of my favorites, such a good tune.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-4i9-MuusU

[Warped_Savant]

The Shield could work really well... I have to admit though, it made me laugh when they said they didn't want to be compared to Nexus because they're totally different and yet they do the same thing that Nexus use to do at the end of the show. (Wait around the ring, build up suspense as to how they're going to attack and then swarm in.)

[henryeatscereal]

As long as they keep beating up Ryback im happy...

I think they will become a new version of Punk's SSE (Straight Edge Society), doing punk's dirty job and becoming a stable of "Heyman Guys"

[Piko]

I have a feeling they're Heyman guys and Punk has no idea what's going on.

[henryeatscereal]

I saw this and almost pissed my pants...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me6ottrx1X1qdvt11o1_500.jpg

[onthewall2983]

Only thing better is if there's a Vic Mackey one (which I'd bet there is...)

[Space Suicide]

I'm bored of these three already.

Three cowards that beat the shit out of a guy that's busy in a match or face down on the mat after a move. Classic, stereotypical vulture faction angles. Coolio.

[Space Suicide]

I echo my last post by stating I'm tired and bored of The Shield already. You outnumber people, nice. You're such skilled superstars when you have handicap situations in front of you.

[thevoid99]

I turn the channel every time Albert del Rio is on TV. He's a fucking bore.

[Piko]

Would much rather him than watching a match with the prime time players. I can't stand a single thing about them. Can't remember the last time I even sat down and watched them.

[spiralout]

The only time the prime time players were even remotely interesting was when AW was their manager.

[Piko]

I wouldn't even go that far... they suck in the ring IMO.

[thevoid99]

I kinda like the Prime Time Players. They at least have personality and are a bit funny with their dance and that chant "million of dollars, million of dollars". I would rather watch them any day of the week than see a second of David Otunga, Albert del Rio, Prince Albert as some Japanese guy, and that new guy that's coming out as a dancer.

[Space Suicide]

and that new guy that's coming out as a dancer.

Brodus Clay?

[Conan The Barbarian]

I am not digging the whole Brodus Clay shit. I mean, I can understand you need that type of filler character. The fact is, he fucking sucks.

I think that is wrong with the WWE minus shitty writing, they really dont have alot of talent that can,

A) Wrestle ( I really want them to just get rid the women's side of things, they are horrible athletes, and even shittier actors.)
B) Handle the mic


I think wrestling will suffer for a while before it can get back to what it was even bigger than it was in the 90's. They just have to wait till the right talent and great writers come along.

[thevoid99]

Brodus Clay?

No, Fandango!!!!! Johnny Curtis as a ballroom dancer. Nice job WWE Creative.

[Kid Charlemagne]

So Ryback botched last night and CM Punk had to get surgery forcing him to bow out of TLC and have a Shield V. Ryback/Hell No match instead. I prefer this if it means another main event for Daniel Bryan and less of a Ryback/Punk feud. The Shield have promise but it's just a rehash of the Nexus. I also don't understand why The Shield are dressed like the sons of Big Boss Man.

I also like the Primetime Players, I think they're hilarious, Titus O'Neil can't wrestle, but they're funny and can put on decent matches. Alberto Del Rio has grown on me, I hated him last year, but I like Ricardo, and Del Rio is a very good wrestler and a good heel, I wish creative would give him a mean streak though. Tensai though sucks, they really shat the bed with him and Brodus Clay this year.

[Piko]

Sucks to hear about Punk. Hopefully he'll be back for rumble... and I'm glad I'm not the only one who got the Boss man vibe from those guys. But maybe it'll get better once they finally get in the ring. I've heard good things about them. I just find them boring so far.

[henryeatscereal]

I dont like Rybotch, Prime Time Players, 3MB (minus McIntire) and Brodus Clay, i could care less when they're gone...

Poor Tensai doesn't get any love :(

[Kid Charlemagne]

I like 3MB, I think they're hilarious. I've always liked Slater and thought Drew McIntire has been misused his entire career, also it's nice that Jinder Mahal isn't used as a stereotype. Essentially, they are three jobbers having fun with an angle and should be allotted more TV time. Slater is the only other guy that sells on the level of Ziggler.

[spiralout]

I dont like Rybotch, Prime Time Players, 3MB (minus McIntire) and Brodus Clay, i could care less when they're gone...

Poor Tensai doesn't get any love :(

I can't help but feel bad for tensai/albert/matt bloom whatever you want to call him, i think the tensai character had promise and could have been successful, it just seems like creative had no idea what to do with him.

Also, I was actually happy to see brad maddox back even though he just got squashed again.

[Warped_Savant]

Punk had a minor knee surgery that a lot of athletes have to get. Typically people that go through with it are back to training in a week or two. I'm guessing Punk will be back as either a run in at TLC or the following night on Raw. He's just barely injured enough that he wouldn't be able to put on a good, long match at the PPV.

[Piko]

Maybe he'll still appear on TV like cena did with the elbow. Just keep him out of action until he's ready to come back.

[onthewall2983]

I think I'm finally past the point of no return. I can't care about any of the people, programs, angles, or matches.

[poinoup]

Fandangoo! I've heard that it is a rib on Jericho for doing Dancing with the Stars. Hmmm, I wonder why no one cares anymore.

In other news, Raw did a 2.4/2.5 Monday, and MNF is a big game next week, so it should continue to be bad news for WWE. Three hours is just far too much, and it's going to burn everyone out backstage.

I know they joked and shit on Kreski back in 2000 with his storyboards to map everything out, but you can see the creative aspect go to shit when Nipple H took over. Now we have TWO dancing gimmicks(!). SMELL THE RATINGS AND BUYRATES!

[Space Suicide]

So when's this retarded Shield going to be in a sanctioned match where they don't triple team one guy like the bunch of pussies they seem to be?

[Piko]

They're filling in for Punk at the next ppv.

[Space Suicide]

They're filling in for Punk at the next ppv.

They'll win, even though Kane and Bryan are the Tag Champions and Ryback is the new Goldberg. They'll still win.

Snoreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

[Piko]

Most likely... and odds are, someone's gonna probably pin Bryan...

[spiralout]

I've come to the realization that I watch raw each week pretty much to see if it will get better.

Here's hoping for next week.

[thevoid99]

The last RAW was pretty good but I doubt next week will be any good. It's starting to vary where it will be good one moment and then bad the next week.

[Kid Charlemagne]

Last night was okay. Usually the one after the PPV is horrible, so I'm sure this one will follow suit considering TLC is looking awful.

[Warped_Savant]

I've come to the realization that I watch raw each week pretty much to see if it will get better.

Here's hoping for next week.
I've been doing that exact same thing for much too long. There was one point a couple of years ago that I realized I watched it for one storyline. But every time, right around the time that one ended a new one would be started that caught my attention.
There isn't any going on that I care about now and yet I'm still watching it out of habit.

[spiralout]

Yeah hopefully things will pick up as it gets closer to the royal rumble. I'm already looking past TLC, although hoping that just maybe they will let Ziggler get a clean win over Cena as I think that has potential for match of the night.

[Piko]

From Rumble to Wrestlemania, things will pick up. How it usually goes. And there's no way Ziggler (or anyone) will beat Cena clean. He's the new Hogan. He won't lose a simple 1-2-3. The Rock was the only exception.

[Piko]

I only caught the last hour or so. Pretty medicore. I was right about Bryan getting pinned... Waste of talent there. The rest was pretty forgettable.

[thevoid99]

AJ turns on John Cena! YAY!!!!! I hope it means more of her in those booty shorts.

[Kid Charlemagne]

I thought this was an excellent PPV, probably the best this year, and the best in a while. The Rhodes Scholars match was awesome, the Chairs match for the WHC was good, the return of the motherfuckin' Brooklyn Brawler, AJ turning on Cena and allowing a Ziggler win.

Holy shit though, the six man tag exceeded my expectations. Just a fucking fight throughout the whole thing, Rollins flying 20 feet on to the tables was classic. I thought Ryback did terrific tonight, Kane did well, Daniel Bryan showed he's the toughest motherfucker in the WWE, and The Shield looked fantastic, all three of them. And this PPV didn't even have Punk aside from his shoutout wearing a knees2faces shirt which I totally need.

[onthewall2983]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nar7mAkZL0Q#!

[thevoid99]

Tonight's RAW was pretty good. Tommy Dreamer kicking 3MB's ass, AJ wearing short-shorts, the appearance of Mean Gene, Good Ol JR, and Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat, the New Age Outlaws, AJ's ass, John Cena getting booed for ruining Dolph Ziggler's chance to cash in his briefcase, the Shield maintaining their dominance, AJ's glorious grade A American booty, and... THE RETURN OF THE MOST STYLIN' PROFILIN' DIRTIEST PLAYER IN THE GAME!!! THE NATURE BOY RIC FLAIR!!!! WOOO!!!!!!!!! I was marking out. It's good to see Flair back in the WWE.

[Space Suicide]

Tonight's RAW was pretty good. Tommy Dreamer kicking 3MB's ass, AJ wearing short-shorts, the appearance of Mean Gene, Good Ol JR, and Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat, the New Age Outlaws, AJ's ass, John Cena getting booed for ruining Dolph Ziggler's chance to cash in his briefcase, the Shield maintaining their dominance, AJ's glorious grade A American booty, and... THE RETURN OF THE MOST STYLIN' PROFILIN' DIRTIEST PLAYER IN THE GAME!!! THE NATURE BOY RIC FLAIR!!!! WOOO!!!!!!!!! I was marking out. It's good to see Flair back in the WWE.

Yeah, wasn't a huge fan of him being in TNA.

[Piko]

And Triple H chopping off all his hair. I had a huge smile on my face the entire time during Flair's segment. Hopefully he sticks around in some capacity.

[Space Suicide]

And Triple H chopping off all his hair. I had a huge smile on my face the entire time during Flair's segment. Hopefully he sticks around in some capacity.

http://whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Triple-H1.jpg

Whoa.

[spiralout]

Ryblack? hmm....

[Warped_Savant]

What I saw:

Tonight's RAW was pretty good. AJ wearing short-shorts, AJ's ass, AJ's glorious grade A American booty.
But yes, was a very good episode. Honestly, the best Slammy show I can remember. Most of the matches were really good, those that weren't were pretty short.

[henryeatscereal]

LOL

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7zl0beB2m1rcvxeho1_1280.jpg

[Kid Charlemagne]

http://withleather.uproxx.com/2012/12/wwe-daniel-bryan-visits-kid-with-cancer-no-lock-video

Just in case we couldn't enjoy Daniel Bryan even more, he does the best thing ever.

[Space Suicide]

Brad Maddox

Why are they still wasting time giving this fuckwad matches and screen time?

[thevoid99]

Brad Maddox

Why are they still wasting time giving this fuckwad matches and screen time?

I agree, dude sucks. In fact, why in the hell did they make Alberto del Rio a face now? He sucked as a heel and he sucks as a face. Just drop the pendejo.

[Warped_Savant]

After last week's Slammy episode giving me a little hope that they've figured out how to book good matches again this week's show stops those hopes dead.

This episode was not only predictable and boring, but the announce team forced a Christmas reference into every line they possibly could. "He just rang his silver bell!" being one of the forced lines of the night.
AND! on top of that, you have the writers shoehorning Christmas into nearly every match. Let's see if I can remember them all... Santa's Little Helper match (Diva), Santa's Elf match (Maddox v Khali), 12 Days of Christmas 12 man match, Miracle on 34th Street Fight, The LumberJack Frost match... Did I miss any?

And the freaking replays and updates of ADR hitting Santa Claus with the car... They really shouldn't've shown the car stopping and then Santa jumping onto the hood... it was just terrible!

Some episodes are really boring, some times the announcers are really annoying... I don't remember both of them happening at the same time. I guess there's a first time for everything.

[Space Suicide]

After last week's Slammy episode giving me a little hope that they've figured out how to book good matches again this week's show stops those hopes dead.

Eh, I wouldn't write off the show for either reason. Both were special episodes so of course one is majorly good and one is majorly flawed. The Slammys offered up some Cameos and a grand spectacle to celebrate the year. Last night was at best a "Christmas" Episode so of course it played more into X-Mas scenarios, jokes and talking rather than matches. Whatever matches there were had to have a Gimmicky Christmas overtone.

So I'd write off the past two episodes as they are a special case.

Outside of those two episodes, I find the writing and match booking average at best.

[Warped_Savant]

So I'd write off the past two episodes as they are a special case.

Outside of those two episodes, I find the writing and match booking average at best.
Very true. And hey, maybe the kids loved it and that was obviously what they were going for.
I think my New Years resolution should be to stop watching wrestling at some point this year.

[Conan The Barbarian]

Has been for kids, always.

[Space Suicide]

Has been for kids, always.

Except kids 95-04 were a little more depraved, not as young and a lot better at accepting good things.

[onthewall2983]

No, WWE just chose to ignore them as a primary audience (from at least '97 to 2004).

[thevoid99]

Shit, the Attitude era something for kids and their dads. You had them chanting "we want puppies", "asshole", and all sorts of crazy shit. It's those damn soccer moms these days chanting "let's go Cena".

[Warped_Savant]

Has been for kids, always.
I would consider WWE to typically be for fans of all ages, not just children. The Attitude Era was intended for 15 (or so) and older, currently it's for people of any age. The Slammy Award show was for the older crowd as the kids would have no idea who most of the guests were. The Christmas show was for the much younger crowd.

[poinoup]

A few nights ago I watched Chikara's King of Trios, Night One. Pretty good mix of wrestling and comedy. Plus, Meng and the Powers of Pain! I literally laughed out loud at some points during the show. At least try to watch the last match of the night with the "serious name" wrestlers doing a priceless comedy spot. I know Chikara is not everyone's thing. But give it a chance, it helps you take this absurd thing called wrestling/sports entertainment/whatever far less seriously. Haha.

Yeah, there's the ants and hypnotized dancing and shit...but why not? Hasn't Taker "hypnotized" people too? And Warrior too?

[thevoid99]

Isn't Chikara the organization that has that dragon character. A guy wrestles wearing a dragon costume? That shit is hilarious.

[Kid Charlemagne]

Isn't Chikara aimed at a younger audience? Either way I've heard people love it and King of Trios is always ranked near the top of wrestling events each year, so I may have to dabble in it.

[Kid Charlemagne]

http://www.coachella.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8568&d=1357335714

[thevoid99]

Once again, CM Punk's promo was just amazing. This guy didn't flinch when it came to the Rock yet I think the Rock is aware that he's being challenged. The "Cookie Puss" comment was lame. Punk got past that quite easily. It was a good face-off. Highly anticipating for that match.

[henryeatscereal]

I really liked the promo and i applauded when he mentioned Tyson Kid

[Kid Charlemagne]

Man, The Rock is the same old shit. He's doing the same thing he did with Cena last year and CM Punk schooled him on the mic and it showed. I guess Rocky isn't aware that it's not 1999 and childish insults only get you so far. I really hope Punk kicks his ass at Royal Rumble and we never hear from this part timer again.

[spiralout]

Hell of a way to start the new year. For the past two weeks I pretty much made pretend that WWE didn't exist and this was a nice way to get back into it.

Damn, Punk is really the best thing WWE has going for it, his mic skills are amazing....the TLC match wasn't too bad either, predictable? yes but still pretty good. I think if The Rock drops the lame jokes this could make for one of the most intense feud we've seen in years, save the childish insults for John "wiener joke" Cena.

Regardless, the royal rumble already has my money.

[thevoid99]

Last night's RAW was pretty good though I'm really sick of Cena. Punk was the man of the night. That "God" comment towards the Rock... he owned Rock. I love the Rock and he's my all-time favorite wrestler but.... Punk owned him.

[Space Suicide]

Last night's RAW was pretty good though I'm really sick of Cena. Punk was the man of the night. That "God" comment towards the Rock... he owned Rock. I love the Rock and he's my all-time favorite wrestler but.... Punk owned him.

Who IS'NT tired of John Cena?

[thevoid99]

Who IS'NT tired of John Cena?

The kids and their mothers. They're really ruining the experience of going to a wrestling event. Oh, I read last night that Alberto del Rio is the new World Heavyweight Champion.... YAWN....

[Piko]

The kids and their mothers. They're really ruining the experience of going to a wrestling event. Oh, I read last night that Alberto del Rio is the new World Heavyweight Champion.... YAWN....

Maybe they're setting up for Ziggler to cash in.

[Space Suicide]

^ I hope that's the case.


The kids and their mothers. They're really ruining the experience of going to a wrestling event. Oh, I read last night that Alberto del Rio is the new World Heavyweight Champion.... YAWN....

Where and how did he win against Big Show to get it?

Edit: He won it on SmackDown! which we will all see on Friday. Del Rio is a boring Champion, worse than Sheamus.

[thevoid99]

Maybe they're setting up for Ziggler to cash in.

Oh, I hope so. I also hope that John Cena doesn't interfere. The last time Ziggler tried to cash in, people were cheering until Cena came in and ruined everything.

[Piko]

Don't say that, heh. Leave it to Cena to ruin something good though. But I certainly hope Cena doesn't get involved at all with it.

[thevoid99]

With the exception of the Rock Concert, Rock and Punk brawling (w/ a special appearance from Arn Anderson, Jamie Noble, and Fit Finlay), AJ climbing the cage, Mick Foley, and Ric Flair.

RAW sucked! No 'Taker, no HBK, no Bret Hart, no Stone Cold, no WWE legends. What kind of special episode was that?

[Kid Charlemagne]

Yeah, I was very disappointed with the lack of guests for the 20th, not even Triple H. Pretty mediocre compared to last week's episode. I really hope Punk upstages The Rock at the Rumble, the Rock Concert was awful, can't believe the amount of people eating this shit up.

[thevoid99]

I already heard that WWE wants to have Rock-Cena II. This time, for the WWE title.

Honestly, I don't want to see that. I don't want to see Rock job to Cena and have Cena become the champion once again. Fuck that! I want Punk to win and maintain his reign as champion.

[Space Suicide]

I already heard that WWE wants to have Rock-Cena II. This time, for the WWE title.

Honestly, I don't want to see that. I don't want to see Rock job to Cena and have Cena become the champion once again. Fuck that! I want Punk to win and maintain his reign as champion.

I very much love CM Punk but I honestly hope he loses the title soon. I'm getting bored of it. This gimmick he's had since July has grown tiresome and just overstayed.

[onthewall2983]

I think Punk will win. Brock will come back and interfere, setting up Brock/Rock for Mania.

[henryeatscereal]

^Love that scenario but i think it will be Rock VS Cena II, yawn...

On topic: who do you think will win the royal rumble?

[Piko]

Ryback maybe? Seems like a pretty sure thing for The Rock to win. But maybe punk will get a DQ and they'll continue the fued for a could months, which would be pretty cool. People are still rumoring stone cold/punk for WM.

[henryeatscereal]

I think Daniel Bryan will win the rumble and compete against Dolph Ziggler (Who will cash his MITB briefcase with Alberto Del Rio), it would be an awesome match!

Punk VS Stone Cold would rule!!! i hope the WWE gives him the money he asks...

[Piko]

I really can't see Bryan winning it. They've stuck him down with Kane. A great talent stuck in the mid cards.

[thevoid99]

All I want to know who is... who will draw the dreaded #14 at the Royal Rumble. Jinder Mahal drew it last year and... is this guy really going to go anywhere?

I hope it's David Otunga who draws that number. Fucker can't wrestle for shit.

[onthewall2983]

Why is 14 so dreaded?

[Kid Charlemagne]

Why is 14 so dreaded?
http://www.wrestlezone.com/editorials/249055-the-curse-of-number-14-in-the-wwe-royal-rumble?start=1

[spiralout]

^^^ interesting. I say Zack Ryder, never saw what was so great about that guy.

I'm hoping they end the feud between John Cena and Dolph Ziggler soon. I think it's pretty pointless by now Cena kicks out of everything Ziggler throws at him....including Big E. Langston, then pins him with one AA. It's obvious Cena isn't putting him over anytime soon. Move on and cash in the briefcase please.

As far as Punk and Rock, I say let Punk retain at the royal rumble then drop it at elimination chamber.

[Kid Charlemagne]

I'm with you on the Royal Rumble. I think Punk will retain, but he'll drop it on Raw or Elimination Chamber, the latter, because keep in mind after Elimination Chamber, there's six weeks until Wrestle Mania and there's really no need for two months of Cena/Rock promos since we got like a year's worth last year. Also, this poster has been making its rounds, so we'll see:
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1955161/EC_poster_large.jpg

[Space Suicide]

I'm with you on the Royal Rumble. I think Punk will retain, but he'll drop it on Raw or Elimination Chamber, the latter, because keep in mind after Elimination Chamber, there's six weeks until Wrestle Mania and there's really no need for two months of Cena/Rock promos since we got like a year's worth last year. Also, this poster has been making its rounds, so we'll see:
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1955161/EC_poster_large.jpg

Why does John Cena consistently have title shots time and time again? Hell, every one of these guys, apart from maybe Sheamus (until last year) and Ryback, always runs for this belt.

Aggravating, man.

[Piko]

Speaking of Cena. I watched the doc about the buildup for the Rock/Cena match at wrestlemania. Man, Cena is fucking stuck up. There's a part where he's reading the merch profits, and he's bragging that he's the number one seller but yet they boo him. The kids like him. Simple as that. People probably thought the exact thing about Hogan. That guy couldn't wrestle, yet he held the title for almost forever. And just like Hogan, he never loses clean. Always some sort of controversy causing him to lose.

And apparently, he's a real douche in real life. The last time he came here (lafayette, la), he went to a hooters and was a total tool to the servers there, brushing people off. So much for "Hustle, Loyalty, Respect", huh?

[Kid Charlemagne]

Honestly, Cena isn't a terrible wrestler, he's not a technician like Daniel Bryan, but he's not exactly Great Kahli, he's average and he's capable of putting on great matches with the right people (Punk, HHH, Michaels), but my biggest issue with him is that he doesn't sell the attacks. Ziggler had some nice moves (mainly that jumping DDT) on Cena that normally knocks out other opponents, but Cena was up in like 15 seconds like it didn't do shit. He's done that for years and it makes it hard to put over other guys like Ziggler who are on the cusp on main eventing but this asshole sets them back. I can deal with his character because as much as we hate it, we need that wrestler that kids love to keep the business afloat, we need him like those fans need heels like Punk, but for fuck sake Hulkamania is dead, swallow your pride and do what's best for the guys on the roster, not yourself.

[Piko]

My main problem with Cena, as a wrestler, is mostly that he's done almost the same exact thing for the last decade. He's very one dimensional, and very boring. His wrestling skills are average at best. He's slightly better that some of the other guys (say, Otunga). His matches are almost identical from one another and have been for years; get your ass kicked for the entire match, come back in the last two minutes and win. Last year they changed it up some. He started losing, uncleanly. Someone always comes out, though, costs him the match. And it completely screws over the other guy in the ring, because he's usually the guy who dominated the match, but instead they put over Cena and his next fued (the guy who who runs in). And it sucks because there's so much better talent, but because of Cena always main eventing (when he shouldn't be), these guys will always be stuck as midcarders until the enivitable day they get cut because the writers ran out of ideas for them. And sadly, its a cycle, and will continue even long after Cena calls it quits.

[Kid Charlemagne]

Biggest thing to piss me off was Cena beating Brock Lesnar after Lesnar beat the living shit out of him. All the greats would put over the young talent like Flair, Austin, Taker was probably the best at this, Cena never does this and it needs to happen.

[Space Suicide]

Why do I give a shit what John Cena thinks about the Royal Rumble that he gets his own spotlight to talk about it tonight on RAW?

[onthewall2983]

Biggest thing to piss me off was Cena beating Brock Lesnar after Lesnar beat the living shit out of him. All the greats would put over the young talent like Flair, Austin, Taker was probably the best at this, Cena never does this and it needs to happen.

Since when was Lesnar young talent???

[Kid Charlemagne]

Those two sentences weren't related in that sense. Cena didn't job to Lesnar and he doesn't put over young talent is what I'm trying to say.

[Piko]

Bottom line. Cena doesn't lose. Period. Whether its to put over someone younger, or not, he won't get pinned cleanly (unless you're The Rock).

[Space Suicide]

Tired of Ziggler/A.J. angle already.

[thevoid99]

Wow... another predictable, lame RAW. Am I getting the feeling that this is going to be WWE's worst year?

[Piko]

Its only going to get worse until they realize they need new writers. If they even realize it.

[thevoid99]

Even Punk is starting to become monotonous. Is as if they're not trying anymore. Kill Vince and Kill Cena. That is what the WWE needs.

[Kid Charlemagne]

You can tell they had no ending for tonight and just had all those fools in the ring at the same time. Awful. Punk's rant...awful. Tonight was the first worst Raw of the year and we may get many more to come. Only plus was The Shield beating the shit out of The Rock.

[Piko]

To be fair about the ending. Isn't it the set standard for an ending like this before a rumble? Seemed pretty textbook IMO. Lame, but textbook. The real shame is that I could've watched something more interesting, but instead I watched this garbage. I quit watching once before, no problem. Now I just keep watching... And judging by the shit promo we got from Cena, I won't be surprised if he wins...

[Space Suicide]

To be fair about the ending. Isn't it the set standard for an ending like this before a rumble? Seemed pretty textbook IMO. Lame, but textbook. The real shame is that I could've watched something more interesting, but instead I watched this garbage. I quit watching once before, no problem. Now I just keep watching... And judging by the shit promo we got from Cena, I won't be surprised if he wins...

You know, I have no earthly clue who they're gonna let win to push to the forefront of fame this year. Hopefully someone worth while.

RAW was decent but was stagnant as per usual. I love wrestling and have for years but I still feel that it's on too much, which is degrading the overall quality. RAW is too long at 3 hours, Main Event doesn't even need to exist, SmackDown! is generally boring and in my opinion hasn't been good since the Brand Extension nor when it was on Thursday and Slam is unnecessary and boasts nothing. They need to trim their programming methinks.

As for another lamenting, crybaby comment: I miss WWE Confidential. I loved that show. I remember watching Velocity on Spike TV and watching Confidential right after it. Those were the days.

[Piko]

Raw is the only show I watch or intend to ever watch. They've always had their clip shows. Way back in the 90s, they had Mania on during Saturday mornings. Not too different from Slam, judging by the commercials.

As for the rumble. I'm really hoping for someone we would never suspect, yet someone who deserves that push (there's plenty). In the past few years, its become a joke. I highly doubt Orton will win since he's on such shaky ground. Sheamus needs to go back to being a heel, because he's just an absolute bore now. I can't think of a particular guy to win it. But guys like Ziggler and Daniel Bryan should win it. Particularly Bryan after that stupid 18 second loss last year.

[henryeatscereal]

ROFL
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/32073261.jpg

[Piko]

Haha. He's a big guy, but he's not very threatening. Especially when he talks. They should've just kept him quiet.

[Kid Charlemagne]

Cena is the obvious choice to win this year, but he may come in second and win a Battle Royal on Raw to go to Wrestle Mania similar to Y2J last year. We all thought he'd win last year but it ended up being Sheamus and then Jericho ended up winning a contention for the WWE title. Could be either Sheamus or Orton again. I'm putting my money on those three unless the writing team flips it and has Taker win to set up Taker/Punk streak vs. streak, but they aren't that smart to book that.

[Piko]

I seriously doubt Taker. Seems too banged up these days. Its amazing he even does a single match per year. It'd be nice though. If Cena wins, though, I might have to reconsider what TV I watch on Monday nights. That will be the end of it. I love watching The Rock, but I don't think even he can make that show entertaining. And if push comes to shove, maybe I'll quit watching the Monday show and watch the one hour version on Saturday.

[thevoid99]

If Cena wins, though, I might have to reconsider what TV I watch on Monday nights. That will be the end of it. I love watching The Rock, but I don't think even he can make that show entertaining. And if push comes to shove, maybe I'll quit watching the Monday show and watch the one hour version on Saturday.

Same here. I'm at the point of just giving it all up completely. It's just not becoming fun to watch anymore. I am not watching TNA. I try to watch their product and... it's just fucking lame. I'll still read reports at Wrestlezone just to see how bad the shows are so I won't have to waste another Monday night.

[Piko]

Part of me just doesn't want to miss The Rock though. I'm done, but I'm not done...

[onthewall2983]

I watch maybe a couple of segments a week. I didn't watch at all last night. I'll probably find some way to watch the Rumble though, it's probably the best concept they have ever thought up and it's still exciting to watch.

[Piko]

Lately, I've been dvr'ing it a d fast forwarding through the dull parts (most of it).

[thevoid99]

The Rock, CM Punk, Dolph Ziggler, and Daniel Bryan are the only guys that still has me watching. I could pretty much care less about everybody else. I was a Zack Ryder fan but now that he's being buried, there's no point in watching him anymore.

[Piko]

I like Daniel Bryan. But they don't really do anything with him (or Kane). I also like Punk. But, they're just dragging him down with them. And it's sad when The Rock cant even save the show.

[onthewall2983]

The thing about The Rock that is being forgotten here, is that he's just a glorified part-timer now. His name recognition (if that even means much, considering the path his movie career has taken) is a band-aid over a bullet wound in the long run.

[thevoid99]

That is true about the Rock because we all know that after WrestleMania, he's gone once again. He'll make another appearance in another year or more and then goes away again. Stone Cold will make an appearance and then goes away for a while. Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels will pop up once in a while and then be gone. I don't mind seeing part-timers but if they're not given anything to work with or to be used properly. What's the point of having them on RAW or Smackdown! Look at what they did to Ric Flair at RAW 20. That was terrible. Have him become a mentor of sorts to the Miz? I hate you WWE Creative.

[henryeatscereal]

Oh my, that "figure 4 leglock" by The Miz was awful...

[Piko]

Yeah, that was pretty atrocious. Flair as a manager would probably do wonders for Miz.

[Kid Charlemagne]

I don't know how I feel about The Miz anymore. He never worked for me as a heel because it was always forced, but his good guy persona has been bad. He's talented and I root for him because he's the rare guy that was/is a longtime fan and made it and his ring skills are above average, but he needs a better character. But yeah, that Figure Four sucked, I hope if/when Flair comes back, it's as a mentor to the Miz because both could benefit from it.

[Piko]

I can't hate on the guy for a botched figure four. Shit happens. I really want to like the guy. Creative is mostly to blame for him. Just like Daniel Bryan, they don't know what to do with him. Another waste of talent IMO.

[thevoid99]

All of this shit that's been happening in the world of pro wrestling has given me an idea to write a screenplay about wrestling. Not just about the wrestlers but the fans. People who actually give a shit about pro wrestling. Not this sports entertainment bullshit. I don't know how it'll come out but I want to do something that is true to what fans feels and what the wrestlers do. And it's not going to be a fucking comedy.

[Piko]

Hell yeah! Hit them where it hurts.

[spiralout]

Can't help but have the feeling that Cena is going to win the royal rumble.

[Piko]

I just hope he doesn't. You're probably right though.

[henryeatscereal]

Can't help but have the feeling that Cena is going to win the royal rumble.
Where's the "i fucking hate that" button?


All of this shit that's been happening in the world of pro wrestling has given me an idea to write a screenplay about wrestling. Not just about the wrestlers but the fans. People who actually give a shit about pro wrestling. Not this sports entertainment bullshit. I don't know how it'll come out but I want to do something that is true to what fans feels and what the wrestlers do. And it's not going to be a fucking comedy.
That sounds good and the has been a couple of good wrestling-related documentaries that made me look at the sport in a different shadow (Beyond the Mat and Wrestling with shadows), still i don't think anyone has done an entire take on the sport's technicality...on with your writing!!!

[thevoid99]

It's just an idea that I just came up with. Coming up with outlines takes me a long, long time to do. In fact, right now I'm working on a trilogy of stories relating to American women living in different continents as it deals with their own identity and alienation. I'm still in the middle of outlining the first story which involves an escort living in Vienna.

The wrestling project is something I want to do from a dramatic scale. It will have humor as some of it will be in the ring that inspired by Chikara and other indie wrestling clips I saw. The clip of Colt Cabana and Christopher Daniels made me laugh of the way they tried to outdo another and stomp on each other's feet. Then the referee says, "Guys, stop it. Start wrestling" and then they stomp his feet.

Those little moments are far more entertaining that what is happening in WWE and TNA. It seems like these guys really care about what they do and give the fans their monies worth. Nowadays, people and their kids are wasting their time watching John Cena win or do another tired promo or that last promo he gave last Monday. What the fuck was that? He really needs to go. If he wins the Royal Rumble. I'm out.

[Space Suicide]

I just hope he doesn't. You're probably right though.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1498180-wwe-royal-rumble-2013-john-cena-shouldnt-win-30-man-battle-royal

[Piko]

He shouldn't. But he probably will. Makes you wonder if the shows are put together by manatees.

[Kid Charlemagne]

I would say these shows are prewritten months in advance, but even CM Punk said the writers usually have no idea what they're doing up until showtime.

[Piko]

I know storylines are written and planned out ahead of time. Luckily they do considering injuries. These guys are seriously lacking in the imagination department. Too afraid to go out of the box. Everything's safe.

[onthewall2983]

Honestly, I wouldn't be too surprised if Cena didn't win the Rumble. They've devalued the prestige of it the last few years. Last year and the year before the winners of the Rumble were on the first match of the WM card. And last year, Sheamus went over in however short a time it was.

[onthewall2983]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1lqAGL0a-g

[henryeatscereal]

Francine!!!

[Piko]

I miss Rick Rude...

[Fixer808]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9clRpVbYZw8

[thevoid99]

Rick Rude... needs to be in the Hall of Fame. Jake "The Snake" Roberts as well. I hope he's doing OK. The last video I saw him w/ DDP, he's starting to look better. I hope he's healthy enough for one more run with the WWE. It would be the ultimate comeback story.

[Space Suicide]

I think the worst addict of the Wrestling World is definitely Scott Hall.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGlvIIZccMM

P.S. Love for the Wolf Pack Theme.

[henryeatscereal]

One of the best WWE moments in recent history...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aREZOPHBt-Q

[Piko]

Goldust!!!

[thevoid99]

GODFATHER!!!! Oh, and Rey Mysterio is #14... he's fucked.

[Piko]

Wish Godfather would've lasted more than 2 seconds... Pretty good rumble this is shaping out to be though. Jinder at 27, lolz.

[thevoid99]

Wish Godfather would've lasted more than 2 seconds... Pretty good rumble this is shaping out to be though. Jinder at 27, lolz.

He was #14 last year. I was hoping it would be David Otunga this year to get that cursed number.

[Piko]

Fucking Cena... Who didn't see this happening?

[thevoid99]

Aw fuck! Thank you Cena. I ain't watching WWE anymore unless something cool happens. Fuck you, fuck your Hustle, Loyalty, and Respect bullshit.

[Space Suicide]

Fucking Cena... Who didn't see this happening?

Morons and people that don't have a clue of what's wrong.

[Tums206_BFY]

Fucking Cena... Who didn't see this happening?

Yeah that was so anti-climatic and not impressive.....More impressed by Ziggles Y2J and Bo Dallas in the Rumble. I am also pissed it wasn't the last thing on the bill so I hope this CM Punk Rock match is good....I don't want Rock to win but with Cena winning tonight it seems like that might be what they are trying to set up

[spiralout]

Fuck. I was hoping that just maybe WWE would change it up and not have Cena win.

Other than that it was a good rumble. Fuckin Jericho, goldust and godfather.

[Space Suicide]

But guys, John Cena hasn't had a title shot or the belt in a long time! It's time for him to reclaim!!!1!1

[Piko]

Cena's held the title ten times. Let someone else have their moment for once. Cena's going to main event wrestlemania either way. And I have a weird feeling that The Rock might not win tonight.

[Tums206_BFY]

Most predictable PPV ever.....

[thevoid99]

Most predictable PPV ever.....

I know... I ain't wasting my time to watch Rock-Cena II for Wrestlemania. Especially since Cena will win. This is bullshit.

[Piko]

I was starting to think Punk would get stripped, and Rock would win it next month in the chamber. PPV was very predictable, but it was entertaining for the most part. Much better than last year. Kofi, yet again, steals the show and yet again, rewarded with nothing.

[spiralout]

Nothing really else I can say that hasn't already been said. Very predictable and disappointing. The matches themselves were good though. Del Rio going through the table was pretty nasty. Can't believe they are building towards the same exact main event for wrestlemania as last year.

Btw did anyone else notice Adam Jones in the audience behind the spanish announce table? Thought that was pretty funny.

[onthewall2983]

Not his first time on WWE programming (http://www.metalinjection.net/tv/view/7439/tools-adam-jones-performs-star-spangled-banner-at-wwe-summerslam-2011)

[Space Suicide]

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/533845_279908758805188_1205112472_n.jpg

[thevoid99]

So WrestleMania will be in New Jersey? I really hope there's a Madison Square Garden crowd out there ala WrestleMania XX to come to the show. I just want people to chant "Fuck you Cena" and praise Punk, Bryan, and Ziggler. That would make me come back to watch WWE. Otherwise, I'll just watch old wrestling clips, Botchamania (I'm digging that shit), and other indie stuff including Chikara.

[Piko]

At least we know he'll get booed, as usual. Wonder what they're calling this match. Once in a Lifetime: Part Deux? The thing about last year, they billed it as "once in a lifetime! Never before! Never again". Now, they shit all over that like they do everything else.

And I absolutely loved the exchange between Cody and Goldust, especially the heat Cody got when he eliminated him. That was classic.

[Kid Charlemagne]

First half of this PPV was as good as anything they've done. Then Cena went in the Rumble and it all went to hell. Y2J coming back made me mark out, and the exchange between the Rhodes brothers was amazing, as well as The Godfather and Daniel Bryan pleading with Kane not to drop him. The Rock/Punk match was actually good, but if they're going to let the Rock win like they did, what was the point of having the Shield interfere in the first place? Just book him to win, nobody gives a shit about restarting the mach. The only good thing about that was Punk's smirk when the Shield put Rock through a table, but then to have it all mean nothing in the end makes it redundant. Since the last hour and a half of the program sucked, I'm guessing Raw will actually be sort of watchable tonight.

[RJK]

Not his first time on WWE programming (http://www.metalinjection.net/tv/view/7439/tools-adam-jones-performs-star-spangled-banner-at-wwe-summerslam-2011)

Apparently he did more than watch the ppv.

http://www.wwe.com/videos/tools-adam-jones-gets-engaged-wwecom-exclusive-jan-27-2013-26087766

[Space Suicide]

Since the last hour and a half of the program sucked, I'm guessing Raw will actually be sort of watchable tonight.

Not really, it'll go like this:

CM Punk Whines About Loss and Wants Rematch - Interference from Cena entering and going on about his loss and that he'll win belt at WM no matter if he or Rock has it.

CM Punk Whines About Loss and Wants Rematch - Interference from The Rock entering and going on about his win and that he'll win at any rematch thrown back at him.

CM Punk Whines About Loss and Wants Rematch - Interference from The Rock entering and going on about his win and that he'll win at any rematch thrown back at him. Cena will enter the fold and throw his weight around.

Cena will Remark about Winning Rumble - CM Punk will interfere and state he has a rematch he'll book.

Cena will Remark about Winning Rumble - CM Punk will interfere and state he has a rematch he'll book. The Rock enters the fold and goes on about he'll beat either one of their 'Candyasses'

The Rock will Remark about Winning The Championship - CM Punk will interfere and state he has a rematch he'll book.

The Rock will Remark about Winning The Championship - CM Punk will interfere and state he has a rematch he'll book. Cena will enter the fold and issue a challenge to both or either men.

Etc.

Tonight's RAW is going to be nothing but CM Punk, The Rock and John Cena. Guaranteed. Predictable shit.

[Kid Charlemagne]

As long as Bret Hart comes back and puts the sunglasses on Ricardo again, then all will be forgiven. I hope Punk enters a credible feud until the post-WM days.

[RJK]

As long as Bret Hart comes back and puts the sunglasses on Ricardo again, then all will be forgiven. I hope Punk enters a credible feud until the post-WM days.

If by credible feud you mean getting ready to do the J-O-B to the Undertaker at wrestlemania. At least it'll be a "main event."

[Kid Charlemagne]

Odds on when Punk will be back in the title picture?

Also, it looks like Jericho will be back full time till after WM29 and Bork Laser appears to have signed a two year extension.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg0uEVzknxE

Feel like this kid speaks for us.

[Piko]

Figure Punk will be back in the picture when Rock leaves. I'm guessing he'll be in the chamber match, and hopefully against stone cold at WM.

[Tums206_BFY]

Btw did anyone else notice Adam Jones in the audience behind the spanish announce table? Thought that was pretty funny.

Yeah guessed he proposed to his girlfriend before the start of the show

http://www.wwe.com/videos/tools-adam-jones-gets-engaged-wwecom-exclusive-jan-27-2013-26087766

[thevoid99]

Well, to curb off all of this negative reaction towards WWE... there has been something good happening in the world of pro wrestling: http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/267271-photo-the-progress-jake-qthe-snakeq-roberts-has-made

I have to applaud DDP for the work he's done and Jake looks great. I hope he returns for WrestleMania XXX and have one more great match.

[Piko]

Has DDP become a miracle worker or something? This isn't the first time (recently actually) that his name has popped up for doing something lime this. The guy's a saint. Hopefully Roberts can stay out of trouble and get his life in check.

Maybe DDP can help out Scott Hall.

[Space Suicide]

Cena will Remark about Winning Rumble - CM Punk will interfere and state he has a rematch he'll book.

Almost right, only The Shield interfered instead.

P.S. Good news of Jake "The Snake" Roberts too.

[Piko]

First episode of raw that I watched from beginning to end in a long time.

[thevoid99]

First episode of raw that I watched from beginning to end in a long time.

I didn't watch it. I did read what happened and... I'm glad I missed it though I will watch the Brock Lesnar thing. I picked Bunheads over another lame WWE Raw.... I made the right decision. Plus, I like Bunheads. OK, it's a ballerina show made by the creator of Gilmore Girls but it's pretty damn funny.

[Piko]

It really wasn't that bad tonight. If only they could keep some momentum.

[Kid Charlemagne]

Raw was better than the Royal Rumble. It seems to be this way, bad PPV, Good Raw, Good PPV, bad Raw. Heyman and Punk showed that they're in a different league of talking than VKM and The Rock.

[Piko]

I actually didn't mind the rumble. Very predictable, yeah. But I still found it to be entertaining. Much better than last year, which was just a mess. And as much as I love The Rock. Punk is far more witty with his comebacks. He's no idiot, he's got thd wit and quick comebacks, and he's not afraid to use them.

[Tums206_BFY]

Punk's house show remarks were a perfect jab at the Rock last night on Raw when they were talking about a rematch, yeah sorta similar to what Cena was doing last year with the Rock but done 100 times better. I thought it was a decent Raw.... Heyman and Vince at the end was good. Lesnar coming in I'm guessing will lead to HHH and Lesnar part 2.....Um Idk rather Lesnar and Taker get at it for WM.

[thevoid99]

Unfortunately, Undertaker isn't well enough to do this year's WrestleMania so it's going to be Lesnar vs. HHH... again.... lame. I hate you WWE Creative.

[RJK]

Unfortunately, Undertaker isn't well enough to do this year's WrestleMania so it's going to be Lesnar vs. HHH... again.... lame. I hate you WWE Creative.

Triple H said at the slammys that the Undertaker would be back. All signs point to Taker wrestling Punk at Mania.

[Piko]

Triple H said at the slammys that the Undertaker would be back. All signs point to Taker wrestling Punk at Mania.

What signs? Taker is definitely banged up. But he'll be at WM. I don't think there's ever been any indicator on who he'll be facing though. And it'll probably be Triple H/Lesnar again at WM, which i'm actually fine with unlike Rock/Cena: Once in a Lifetime, part II.

[RJK]

What signs? Taker is definitely banged up. But he'll be at WM. I don't think there's ever been any indicator on who he'll be facing though. And it'll probably be Triple H/Lesnar again at WM, which i'm actually fine with unlike Rock/Cena: Once in a Lifetime, part II.

He's the only big name available for Taker to wrestle. Cena vs Rock and Brock vs. Triple H and Taker vs. Punk. The top matches have been booked for months now. Punk and Taker are going to steal the show. I don't love how predictable the outcomes of these three matches are but as long as they have great matches it'll be worth it.

[Space Suicide]

Man Shot In Eye Says the Worst part of the Week was the WWE Royal Rumble Outcome (http://www.manolith.com/2013/01/30/man-shot-in-the-eye-says-the-worst-part-of-his-week-was-wwe-royal-rumble-outcome-video/)

LMAO.

[Piko]

Man Shot In Eye Says the Worst part of the Week was the WWE Royal Rumble Outcome (http://www.manolith.com/2013/01/30/man-shot-in-the-eye-says-the-worst-part-of-his-week-was-wwe-royal-rumble-outcome-video/)

LMAO.

Wow! That's insane. Not a single mention of Cena... I was kinda expecting him to rag on him, not The Rock.

[thevoid99]

Wow! That's insane. Not a single mention of Cena... I was kinda expecting him to rag on him, not The Rock.

I read about that. Plus, Punk has respect for the guy and is willing to help him. It seems to me that Punk is becoming the new people's champion.

[Piko]

Absolutely. Punk seems like a very cool guy. In his doc, Joey Mercury had drug problems, got fired from WWE, and things got so bad, that be was going to lose his home. Punk bought the house for him.

[Space Suicide]

Yeah, I bought his Best In The World DVD Set when it came out. I've yet to watch it, maybe I should put it in sometime.

[Piko]

You should. It was a pretty good watch.

[thevoid99]

I've seen that doc. Punk is a totally cool dude. I like what he did for Joey Mercury. If I was a sick kid at a Make-a-Wish Foundation. I would make my wish to meet CM Punk and have him beat the crap out of John Cena.

[Space Suicide]

Maybe I'll make a Friday night of it.

[Kid Charlemagne]

The nWo doc was also okay, believe that one is on Netflix as well.

[Space Suicide]

The nWo doc was also okay, believe that one is on Netflix as well.

Debated on picking it up but didn't bother.

I just watched the CM Punk "Best in the World" documentary. Very insightful to his personality and really in-depth about his career I always knew relations to him and the entire corporate of WWE were never good but I didn't realize they were as bad as they were at some spots.

I could get and feel his frustration as he was always passed over and even up until 2011 he still was. I did feel sometimes he never felt anything but for the best for himself and sometimes it was overbearing to me. He's very headstrong and if WWE decides to keep and give the reigns to him as far as a face and for the future I think they're in good hands. he knows what he wants and where he wants to go. More should be like that.

P.S. Post-humous love for the Straight Edge Society.

[Piko]

I saw the NWO doc last week. Meh... But I suppose it was good for what it is. And if any of you get a chance, check out The Rise and Fall of WCW. They ran that company into the ground... Who knows what would've happened if some of the guys didn't run amok.

[Kid Charlemagne]

Happy National Pro Wrestling Day everybody!

[Space Suicide]

Surprised and delighted to see Jack Swagger back this week. Wasn't expecting it.

Love his theme, they sound so much like the real deal.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzqVsul7ux0

[Kid Charlemagne]

Yeah, I hope they don't waste Swagger this time around. He needs a face turn or a shot at the title, he's too good for what they've been doing to him.

Truth be told, I thought Swagger's theme was a Street Sweeper Social Club song before I found out it was a RATM cover band.

[Warped_Savant]

Swagger's a good wrestler, but he just doesn't seem to get the crowd reaction that he needs.

[Piko]

Was he injured? Haven't seen him for awhile.

[Space Suicide]

Was he injured? Haven't seen him for awhile.

He took a kayfabe leave in late September after his losing streak. I think he lost just about every match he was involved in last year.

I wish great things for him. I've always liked him, his style and his talent but when he went with Vickie Guerrero along with Ziggler I felt he began to fall flat and become hindered. Now without Vickie and no 'partner' with Ziggler hopefully he'll start wrecking and winning shit again.

[Kid Charlemagne]

Hopefully they give him an angle where he just starts beating the hell out of people and goes rampaging, a mean streak or face turn for Swagger would be awesome and much better than anything they did with him last year.

[Piko]

The guy can wrestle. Problem, WWE isn't so creative and probably have no idea what to do with him.

[onthewall2983]

WWE to induct Bruno Sammartino into HOF (http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/17789/wwe-to-induct-bruno-sammartino-into-hof). For the younger fans maybe not familiar, this is HUGE news.

[Piko]

Could've sworn he was inducted already. How can that not have happened? Maybe Savage will (finally) be inducted. Doubt it...

[Conan The Barbarian]

Would be a huge mistake not to induct macho man. He was the second most popular wrestler next Hogan.

[Space Suicide]

He was the second most popular wrestler next Hogan.

Leagues better and more charismatic to me too.

[onthewall2983]

The reason Savage isn't in is because Randy insisted his father (who never worked for WWE and didn't have his son's legacy) be inducted along with him. And from what I've heard, his brother Lanny (The Genius) is insisting on this as well.

[henryeatscereal]

Im happy because Sammartino deserves to be in the HOF, he's a frikin' legend!

Im also happy for Swagger's return, the man is truly talented and he was wasted in a big way by the WWE, i like him a lot more than Wade Barrett (nothing against the guy, i just find Swagger more talented than him and he deserves all the push and the attention Barret is getting in my opinion...)

[Kid Charlemagne]

Hall of pain!

[Space Suicide]

Hall of pain!

I'm not a Mark Henry fan but I loved watching him destroy Mysterio and Sin Cara. I hate Sin Cara and never, ever liked Mysterio, even before he won the WHC.

Swagger destroyed Santino quickly as well.

[Kid Charlemagne]

So far, this is better than Royal Rumble and Raw last week combined.

[Space Suicide]

That was probably the BEST match I've seen on RAW in at least a year.

[Kid Charlemagne]

That was probably the BEST match I've seen on RAW in at least a year.
Easily, and Punk actually got a clean win which I was stoked about. Not exactly looking forward to this Cena segment, I'm guessing him, Orton, and Sheamus are facing Shield at the Chamber.

[Warped_Savant]

That was probably the BEST match I've seen on RAW in at least a year.
So looking forward to the Punk v Jericho match! (Even though I just saw how it ends...)
(Canada is on a delay)

[thevoid99]

I just caught the ending. Cena, Sheamus, and Rybotch vs. the Shield. Lame...

[Kid Charlemagne]

Remove Orton for Rybotch and it looks like it'll happen. One of the worst ending segments I've seen after what was a good show up to that point. Del Rio with an obvious attack, Cena cuts a bad promo, Brad Maddox is a face?, Cena and his chums attack The Shield, other superstars block the way, you could've easily put this in the middle of the show, and instead this clusterfuck follows what was an awesome match.

[thevoid99]

I'm glad I didn't watch the show though I heard Punk and Jericho was really good and Brock Lesnar kills the Miz. Still, I think WWE is getting lazy and crowds will be chanting "same old shit".

[S. Chonson]

Well I heard Bruno for years didn't want to be in the Hall Of Fame. Triple H recently talked it over with him and he agreed to do it.

[henryeatscereal]

Gosh, it's so obvious Sheamus will betray Ryback to set a match between them at WM...

[Tums206_BFY]

This is just the Nexus Angle all over again....something that showed a lot of promise but bad ideas from creative destroyed something that could have been great. Needless to say Cena is ready to bury the Shield the same way he did with the Nexus. That is how you know creative has nothing they can do with him until after the Elimination Chamber on the road to Mania so hey why not bury another group!

P.S. Oh Yeah Bruno!!!!! and the Punk-Jericho match was excellent.

[Kid Charlemagne]

I'm sure the six man tag match will be the best one on the card and a possible Match of the Year candidate, but creative dropped the ball on Shield. Instead of having them squash mid carders and jobbers and putting them in legit matches, all they did was have them attack people. Then they looked like cowards last night instead of the fighting badasses they are. This is a layover until Mania, but I'd hate if the Shield get buried or don't have an impressive showing. The match should end with Cena against Ambrose. At least we didn't have to sit through The Rock again.

[skip niklas]

Got a few extra invites for PWT if anyone needs one.

[Kid Charlemagne]

SLIP! You're back!

[skip niklas]

What up, Kid?

Anyone going to ROH's 11th Anniversary show next month? Between that, their tv taping the following day, and the IMPACT taping a week or two later, March is going to be a busy month for wrestling in Chicago. Anyone seen or been to a RevPro show? I caught a few minutes of the tv show they produced a few months back, but unfortunately it wasn't a regular reoccurring show.

[Kid Charlemagne]

I won tickets to TNA's Lockdown since it's in town on March 10th. All the build up has been for Sting and none of the younger guys, not even fucking Jeff Hardy. Good thing is, I didn't have to pay for it, I never watch Impact, but I do read recaps of it, so we'll see what happens.

[Space Suicide]

I won tickets to TNA's Lockdown since it's in town on March 10th. All the build up has been for Sting and none of the younger guys, not even fucking Jeff Hardy. Good thing is, I didn't have to pay for it, I never watch Impact, but I do read recaps of it, so we'll see what happens.

Still be cool to attend! Even the shittiest PPV I'd love to attend one. Last PPV that was in NC was 2012 Over The Limit which was in Raleigh.

[Kid Charlemagne]

From what I've been told, each match will be placed inside a steel cage. TNA's trying to make a place here in Texas which is fine because WCW only came to San Antonio once for Nitro and never again while the WWE does two to three shows (usually tapings and none of that house show bullshit) here a year. Pretty excited for it though, can't imagine a better way to spend a Sunday night in which I'll drink beer, cheer loudly and see my favorite wrestlers from 1998.

[henryeatscereal]

Sting is a fuckin legend but i agree that TNA needs to have more faith in their younger talents: Bobby Roode, Christopher Daniels, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe and Austin Aries are all great wrestlers!

[skip niklas]

I've never been a big fan of his, but it's sad to see AJ Styles waste most of his career there trying to build something just for Jarrett to hand the keys to Hogan. Same goes for Joe. Those guys should be huge stars right now, but they're more like Luger in the early 90's. They have a little name recognition, but most casual fans couldn't pick them out of a lineup. The venue they're running here for the taping is two suburbs over and I was thinking about going, maybe I'll buy a $15 ticket and hope it's half empty so I get upgraded.

[Space Suicide]

I've never been a big fan of his, but it's sad to see AJ Styles waste most of his career there trying to build something just for Jarrett to hand the keys to Hogan. Same goes for Joe. Those guys should be huge stars right now, but they're more like Luger in the early 90's. They have a little name recognition, but most casual fans couldn't pick them out of a lineup. The venue they're running here for the taping is two suburbs over and I was thinking about going, maybe I'll buy a $15 ticket and hope it's half empty so I get upgraded.

That's why I don't give a fuck for TNA anymore. Feels like I'm watching nothing but old hacks, WWE throwaways and just a random bunch of misguided junk.

[Kid Charlemagne]

I heard the Impact Zone is up on its lease. So now they'll take Impact on the road to tape it. I don't know how this is going to last honestly, they're not exactly loaded with money and I think they'll lose money traveling everywhere. I don't see them being in business for anything longer than two years.

[henryeatscereal]

So many bad omens for TNA, but frankly i don't blame you guys, they have made awful decisions in the past, still i watch because all the great talent that is going to waste if the fuckin' company doesn't take off...

[Kid Charlemagne]

It doesn't help that Dixie Carter is a fucking moron. All TNA is to me is that extended period from '99-'01 with WCW where there were constant heel face changes, guys were booking themselves, there doesn't seem to be much imagination in terms of writing, younger guys aren't being pushed and when they are, it's poorly executed. They have some talent, much more than I think WCW had in that time period but they have less idea of what they're doing than the WWE.

[thevoid99]

I just saw an upcoming video on a full shoot video from Stevie Richards. He says that TNA won't survive because of Hogan and Bischoff. I heard Bully Ray is now trying to do that hulking up thing and is marrying Hogan's ugly-ass, no-talented daughter.

[Swykk]

What up, Kid?

Anyone going to ROH's 11th Anniversary show next month? Between that, their tv taping the following day, and the IMPACT taping a week or two later, March is going to be a busy month for wrestling in Chicago. Anyone seen or been to a RevPro show? I caught a few minutes of the tv show they produced a few months back, but unfortunately it wasn't a regular reoccurring show.

I'll be at both of these.

Also, as a general statement, as inept as Dixie Carter might be, Hulk Hogan is the most selfish piece of shit in wrestling. He could never really work and buried those who were better than him. Cut that poisonous turd out of TNA before he has a hand at destroying that company as well.

[Space Suicide]

I just saw an upcoming video on a full shoot video from Stevie Richards. He says that TNA won't survive because of Hogan and Bischoff. I heard Bully Ray is now trying to do that hulking up thing and is marrying Hogan's ugly-ass, no-talented daughter.

Yeah, that's the storyline they're having. I caught wind of it last week but didn't watch the episode. They were supposed to be wed sometime during the night. Looked stale and completely random. Agreed on the no talent thing with her. I remember this shit:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shMbwQL3oiQ


I'll be at both of these.

Also, as a general statement, as inept as Dixie Carter might be, Hulk Hogan is the most selfish piece of shit in wrestling. He could never really work and buried those who were better than him. Cut that poisonous turd out of TNA before he has a hand at destroying that company as well.

I never liked Hogan and never will. I know how he operates and works. For him it's nothing but the best for himself and anything else it's a wrongdoing. Him and the nWo ran WCW into the ground with their shit management skills. I like and have respect for Bischoff but his current handle of TNA I've read is terribad.

I was really into TNA in 2007. They had fresh talent, great angles and incredible stories going on. They're abysmally bad these days and filled with hardly any TNA originals. All I see is re-packaged WWE retirees and people that never got a renewed contract. It's so terrible.

[thevoid99]

I was a Hulk Hogan fan as a kid. He had charisma and personality. I was a Hulkamaniac till the days of the Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin came around. By the time I was in my mid-20s and had a understanding of pro wrestling just as Hogan had his reality show. I was then starting to hear those stories about what Hogan did. Now, I believe it's true. The bottom line is that he's in it for himself. He cares only about himself. In his delusional mind, he thinks he is pro wrestling. He'll never pass the torch from his cold dead hands. Mark Madden was right about him.

[onthewall2983]

I've always thought TNA was like the undead zombie of WCW. That it may finally go to pieces like this completes the scene.

[Kid Charlemagne]

This Aces and 8's angle is pretty stupid too. I was too late for Hulkamania, but I remember reading about his tactics in WCW, and then the whole Bash at the Beach fiasco followed by the demise of the company is his shitty last run in the WWE (watch the Summerslam with him and HBK and it remains one of the worst matches I've ever seen), I have no sympathy for him whatsoever and it looks like even here in TNA which doesn't have much traction anyway, he's burying it.

Unrelated though, I had a dream last night that The Undertaker came back...I hope it's true.

[Space Suicide]

This Aces and 8's angle is pretty stupid too. I was too late for Hulkamania, but I remember reading about his tactics in WCW, and then the whole Bash at the Beach fiasco followed by the demise of the company is his shitty last run in the WWE (watch the Summerslam with him and HBK and it remains one of the worst matches I've ever seen), I have no sympathy for him whatsoever and it looks like even here in TNA which doesn't have much traction anyway, he's burying it.

Unrelated though, I had a dream last night that The Undertaker came back...I hope it's true.

I remember that and THIS!:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF4jE9InYEE

I also laugh at Hogan's finisher. It's a simple, weak leg drop. Whoop-pee-ding.

[henryeatscereal]

The Huckster, anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sCTi31Z2jA

[thevoid99]

I remember that and THIS!:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF4jE9InYEE

I also laugh at Hogan's finisher. It's a simple, weak leg drop. Whoop-pee-ding.

Oh man, that parody always has me laughing. Plus, there's a lot of truth to what Shawn Michaels was saying as Hogan. Oh man, that is how a heel promo is done. Yet, the one Michaels gave in Montreal when he's about to face Hogan in SummerSlam... that is a standard of what heel promo must do.

Yeah, the match itself wasn't good at all. Shawn was right, Hogan is a politician. He will never put anyone over. I don't blame Shawn for overselling. He at least made the match worth watching and embarrass Hogan at the same time.

You know who is becoming Hulk Hogan right now... John Cena. I think all of the fame and attention is getting into his head and he wants to be the top dog. We all know he's going to win against the Shield because he wants to win and face the Rock once again. What a dick.

[Kid Charlemagne]

So it's looking more and more like Undertaker may not be at Mania. This is bad for many reasons including: No matter what HBK says, Taker IS Mr. WrestleMania. The streak is the most exciting thing about the entire show. Taker was also supposedly going to wrestle CM Punk, and we'll probably have a shitty match to fill that.

My question is, what does Punk do now? I wouldn't be surprised if we get a triple threat match for the title if this is the case. We all know Cena would win and he will, but if Punk is thrown in, that shows that the company has some faith in him and that he can help headline. I think the only thing that'll stop the WWE is the NY crowd who will obviously cheer Punk and jeer the others if he's inserted to the main event. Any other thoughts anyone?

[thevoid99]

A triple threat match between Punk, Cena, and the Rock would be something different. Yet, I don't think WWE wants to do that. Plus, are Rock and Cena willing to job to Punk? I heard that Punk might face Rybotch.